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 Thank you, Laurence. It is a great delight to be here and to see some old friends. I'm going to introduce you a little bit to the scale of the issue in various aspects of the world.

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 And 13 and a half years after it started. Now I've made a kind of assumption, haven't I, in the title of the talk, Love and Our Unborn Neighbors, that that is how we should think about unborn life.

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 But the reality is that the defining what it is that's growing inside the womb of a pregnant woman. And really, this is the whole issue.

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 And there are lots of different words that are used. Some of them are more scientific, technical words like fetus or embryo. Some of them more relational, warm words like baby.

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 Others that sound really very deliberately impersonal, like ball of stale or blob of jelly, which is how it can be described in some settings.

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 And the range represents the fact that there are very widely differing opinions on the status of the unborn, but on what options are legitimate for pregnant women.

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 And I know that the divisions are very wide and very deep. So I know that to speak into this area is to speak into an area around which people have often been used to living and thinking and debating at one or other pole of a very seriously called debate.

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 I also know, perhaps even more importantly, that because of some of the numbers I'm going to go on and look at with you, this is an issue which almost certainly affects people in this room.

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 You don't need to get very many people in a room before you find someone who's deeply personally affected by this issue.

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 And it's very important and it's a matter of rejoicing to me that a church is taking time to look at the issue and discuss the statistics and what the Bible teaches.

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 And this is a talk that is thinking about those kinds of structural things, background.

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 It's not the kind of thing you would say to someone if you were in a conversation about what to do with their unborn, what we decided to call it, or with someone who's been through an abortion in the past.

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 That conversation is very different.

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 But I want to, it's great to take the time to have this kind of discussion.

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 We've got to do that, and that may mean that without intending to, I say things in ways that feel painful or hurtful or touch on areas which are tender and cause pain.

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 I don't intend to do that.

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 I want to try and be as understanding and as mindful as I can.

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 But at some point, we have to stand back from the very significant personal obligations and think carefully about what's really happening and how we really ought to respond.

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 Or indeed, if we ought to respond.

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 Because when you read Scripture, when you read Matthew 28 and you realise that we're supposed to say everything Jesus commanded,

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 it is long if you're reading the apostles that you realise there is quite a lot that Jesus commands.

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 There's quite a lot that God commands his people to do.

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 And there are lots of priorities there for the church to consider and weigh.

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 And church leaders have a tough job working out which of these many possible ways of loving our community,

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 which of these many possible ways of glorifying the Lord have been to concentrate on.

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 I think it would be true to say that in most churches, we've spent many years thinking about some of the things that churches do,

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 and a lot less time thinking about other things that churches might do.

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 And I would argue that the issue of responding to abortion is one of those that Christians must be responding to in some way.

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 And that implies that there's something for churches to be teaching all Christians about the issue,

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 and to be teaching all Christians about how to respond to the issue.

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 So, I'm really glad to have the chance to be part of the process in this church and these churches here tonight.

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 So, here are some facts.

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 I want to start with some pictures, don't worry.

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 None of them are gruesome pictures.

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 And these are a couple of slides that are taken from a DVD, which you can watch later if you want.

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 I've got it with me.

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 I'm not going to try and show it on here.

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 It'll be too complicated.

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 But these are the scenes in a DVD, which takes you through the whole of the development of an embryo.

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 And you can see how much it develops at different stages of development.

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 By four weeks, that's four weeks from fertilization, the way this DVD is presented.

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 So, by the embryo has been four weeks old, you can already see, and there's a video of an embryonic heart beating about 130 times a minute.

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 By six weeks, you can see the ears and the diaphragm.

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 And by eight weeks, 90 plus percent of all the major organs are already present in developing a new being that's only about that size.

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 And it grows over the coming weeks and months.

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 So, by 18 weeks, they look like that.

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 By 22 weeks, they look something like that.

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 Now, to my mind, that 22-week-old baby should be called the baby.

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 Because it looks exactly like a baby.

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 But before we get to thinking whether that kind of instinct, that kind of reflex is right according to Scripture or not,

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 let's just find out some more facts about what happened.

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 Because at 22 weeks, that baby or any baby could be aborted.

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 And you might think, well, that's so obviously a baby.

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 That must be quite rare.

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 Abortion must be quite a rare thing.

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 And Lawrence has already told us some local facts.

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 I checked the latest figures that were available to 2018.

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 In 2018, there were 205,000 abortions in England and Wales.

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 And if you add up all the abortions that happened since 1968, which is the year after I was born,

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 so in my lifetime, there have been 8.7 million abortions in England and Wales.

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 That's way over 10% of the population.

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 If you ask the question, of all the pregnancies that happen in a year, what percentage of pregnancies end in abortion?

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 I wonder what you'd think it is.

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 Perhaps you know most people think it would be something well under 10%.

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 If they thought about it at all.

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 It's actually 22% of pregnancies end in abortion.

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 So more than one in five, little lives that start in their mother's womb end in abortion.

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 Now there's lots of reasons for that.

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 And I won't have lots of time to unpick those, because they're different situations.

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 But it's an extremely high number.

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 If you ask the question, of all women by the age of 45,

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 so all women in England and Wales by the age of 45,

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 what proportion of those women would have had an abortion?

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 The answer is one in three.

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 Now you can break those numbers down a little bit more.

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 So 22% of pregnancies, one in three when they were aged 45,

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 81% of abortions are done in women who are not married.

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 1.6% of abortions, so a very small, very small percentage of the total,

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 were done where you would believe there was a risk of serious handicap in the baby.

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 So in 2018, there were 618 unborn children,

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 that were reported with Down syndrome.

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 Some of you will have friends with Down syndrome.

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 You'll know people with Down syndrome.

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 You'll know what they're like.

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 You'll know they are people.

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 You'll have, you'll count them as friends.

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 And there are 618 that are not alive now,

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 because they were killed in this country.

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 This is happening.

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 And only 7 of the 205,7%,

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 7 were done to save life in an emergency.

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 So 97.7% are done for what is described in the legislation as ground C,

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 that is, if there is a risk,

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 greater than if the pregnancy is terminated,

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 to the mental health of the woman.

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 Now, that, the mental problem, is never specified.

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 The official statistics confirm that in 99.9% of these abortions,

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 the code that is given for the mental illness is F99,

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 which is unspecified.

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 So no one's thinking about what the mental health problem is,

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 because effectively they don't need to.

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 The law offers abortion on demand.

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 If a woman says, I don't want this baby,

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 and they go and see a doctor who is willing to allow abortion,

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 that is all they need to say.

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 And that means that you have this huge table,

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 where more than one in five pregnancies,

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 every year, end in abortion.

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 As I say, 8.7 million since 1968.

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 Now, this is related.

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 If we're thinking about what's the status of the wrong-born life,

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 it's right that we think not only about abortion.

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 It's right that we also think about some other things,

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 which, for other reasons, may affect people in this room very personally.

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 Some of the mechanisms by which infertility is treated,

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 IVF,

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 some of those result in embryos being created,

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 which then result in a baby.

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 And it's a little bit hard to put the numbers together.

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 But something like 170,000 embryos

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 are lost in in-vitro fertilization treatments per year.

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 Only about 7% of embryos created in the laboratory

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 for these facility treatments end up in pregnancies.

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 All the others, in the end, die.

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 Either because they're frozen,

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 and when they're thawed,

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 they don't reanimate,

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 they don't continue dividing.

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 Or because they're used and destroyed in research and development.

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 Or because they're implanted in cycles,

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 and they don't implant there.

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 So, we've got 205,000 abortions,

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 and 170,000 embryos lost in IVF.

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 One more thing to mention

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 before we start thinking biblically

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 about what might be going on.

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 This is a poster that I saw on the Tube a few years ago,

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 which is,

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 for Tommy's,

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 the baby charity,

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 and you may have seen,

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 they're quite a big charity,

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 they advertise quite effectively.

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 They're trying to research miscarriage.

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 And here is the poster

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 of a baby crossing its fingers

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 with the statistic

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 when anxiety pregnancies fail

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 in miscarriage.

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 And the proportions are

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 roughly the same, therefore.

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 There's roughly the same number of abortions,

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 actually,

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 a little bit more

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 babies are lost in abortion

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 than lost in miscarriage

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 at the moment.

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 That data comes from

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 a reputable source too.

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 What that means is that every year,

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 there is more than half a million

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 embryos dying.

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 Because,

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 either because we're

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 killing them in the top two,

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 one way or another,

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 or because

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 they're dying in miscarriage.

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 And plus,

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 there's an unknown number

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 that,

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 in some methods of contraception,

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 they allow fertilization to happen

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 and then prevent the fertilized

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 egg from implanting.

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 And so,

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 they work by disrupting

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 barrier to pregnancy.

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 And you can ask about that

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 later if you want to.

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 I need to

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 keep moving.

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 But in other words,

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 from multiple angles

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 in this culture,

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 we have become used to

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 a very high rate of loss

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 of unborn life.

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 And the big question is,

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 how do we process this?

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 How do we process this

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 as people?

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 How do we process this

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 as Christians?

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 What are we to make

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 of this extremely high number?

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 Well,

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 wonderfully,

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 by God's grace,

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 Christian ethics are not difficult.

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 They're very straightforward

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 because God tells us

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 everything we need to know.

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 And in fact,

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 he summarizes it

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 in two very straightforward commands.

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 You'll know them

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 from the Old Testament

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 you mentioned

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 in the teaching of Jesus.

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 Love God

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 and love your neighbor.

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 That's all we have to do.

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 Love God

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 and love our neighbor.

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 There's a bit too

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 loving God

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 and there's a bit too

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 loving your neighbor.

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 But that is

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 the essential center

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 of the Christian life.

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 One of the big things

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 we need to work out

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 is who are my neighbors?

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 Who are the people

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 I should be loving?

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 And I'm to argue

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 very strongly

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 that the evidence

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 of Scripture

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 is overwhelming

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 that unborn life,

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 unborn people

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 are our neighbors

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 that we should be loving.

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 And I've got four

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 straightforward points to make

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 in order to persuade you that.

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 The first is that

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 unborn life

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 is created by God.

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 I'm not saying

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 anything remarkable here

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 to a Christian

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 because everything

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 is created by God.

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 And whether we think about

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 the Father

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 from Genesis chapter 1

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 and the Father,

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 the Son,

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 the Spirit

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 from Genesis chapter 1

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 or whether we think

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 personally about

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 the Word,

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 Jesus Christ himself

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 in John chapter 1 verse 3

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 through him

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 the Lord God,

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 Jesus,

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 all things were made.

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 Without him

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 nothing was made

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 that has been made.

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 Now,

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 this means

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 before we start to think about

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 whether there's a particular

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 status to unborn life

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 we have to acknowledge

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 that like everything else

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 that exists

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 unborn life does not

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 belong to us.

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 Unborn life belongs

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 to its Creator,

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 belongs to God,

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 it belongs to Jesus.

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 And whatever we think

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 it is,

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 is his,

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 not ours.

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 And we must work out

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 what he thinks of it

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 and what status

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 he wants us to give it,

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 not just come to our

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 own conclusion

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 as if it belonged to us.

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 We're used to

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 the kind of language

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 and in a sense

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 there's nothing wrong with it

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 because to be given a baby

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 is a very high trust.

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 When God gives us a baby

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 we feel,

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 we feel the responsibility.

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 But we use the language

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 of my baby

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 or our baby.

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 And,

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 in a sense it is.

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 But first,

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 it's God's baby

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 given to us,

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 loaned to us,

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 put under our care

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 by the Creator.

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 So,

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 firstly,

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 unborn life,

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 like everything else

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 that exists,

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 is created by God

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 and he's the one

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 therefore that should

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 tell us

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 what to make of it

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 and how to treat it.

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 Secondly,

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 not only creator

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 but God

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 creates a human

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 unborn life

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 is human

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 I would argue.

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 Here is one of the

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 famous passages

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 that I think

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 absolutely explicit

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 from Psalm 139.

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 Psalm 139

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 is a beautiful psalm

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 in which David

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 is describing

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 his total confidence

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 that he will never

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 ever ever

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 be able to escape

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 from the

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 gaze and care

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 of God.

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 And,

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 to some extent,

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 that's a little bit

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 scary.

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 I'll never be able

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 to get to a place

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 where you can't see me

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 in everything I'm doing,

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 David says.

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 But,

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 similarly,

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 I'll never be able

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 to get to a place

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 where you can't

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 be with me

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 and help me.

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 And,

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 one of the reasons

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 for that is because

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 for,

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 you created my

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 inmost being.

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 You and me together

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 in my mother's womb.

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 Before I began to

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 exist outside my mother,

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 you were there,

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 you were with me

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 and caring for me there.

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 In fact,

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 I praise you

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 because I'm seriously

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 and wonderfully made.

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 Your works are wonderful,

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 I know that so well.

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 My frame was not

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 hidden from you

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 when I was made

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 in the secret place,

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 when I was working

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 together in the depths

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 of the earth,

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 your eyes saw

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 my unformed body.

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 David has confidence

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 that God is going

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 to care for him

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 and be with him

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 everywhere he goes

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 in creation

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 because God was

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 with him

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 and caring for him

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 before birth

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 in his mother's womb.

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 It's one of his reasons

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 for confidence

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 in the care of God

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 now as an adult

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 is because

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 under the guidance

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 of the Holy Spirit

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 he reveals

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 his certainty

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 that God was his God

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 and caring for him

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 in his life

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 before birth too.

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 Similarly,

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 in Psalm 22,

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 which is the psalm

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 that Jesus takes

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 on his lips

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 on the cross,

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 begins,

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 my God,

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 my God,

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 why have you

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 forsaken me?

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 And on the way

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 through,

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 reveals this,

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 from birth

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 I was cast upon you,

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 from my mother's womb

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 you have been my God.

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 It's an original

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 psalmist,

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 indeed,

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 and Jesus himself.

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 The relationship

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 between the human

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 being and God

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 begins the full birth

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 in the mother's womb.

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 Luke 1.31

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 Very similar words,

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 we're about to hear them again,

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 read a number of times

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 in the church

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 over Christmas.

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 You will

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 not give birth

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 to a son

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 and you'll call him

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 Jesus,

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 you will conceive

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 and give birth

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 to a son.

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 You'll give birth

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 because you will conceive.

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 So,

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 Jesus'

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 incarnation,

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 a remarkable

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 moment

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 when the sovereign

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 eternal daughter

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 is united

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 to a fully human nature,

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 that happens

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 not at a virgin birth,

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 that's a nonsensical term

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 in a way,

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 it's a virginal conception

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 and the birth

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 that follows from it.

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 So,

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 Jesus'

00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:05.280
 incarnation

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 begins at conception,

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 explicit

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 in scripture

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 and conception

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 is the main

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 of the way

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 egg and sperm

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 come together.

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 Although,

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 differently,

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 we assume

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 in Jesus' case

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 we haven't been

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 revealed to us

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 exactly how

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 the father

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 made that one work.

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 And,

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 in Hebrews 2,

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 talking about Jesus,

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 he's described as

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 fully human

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 in every way.

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 So,

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 it's not likely

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 to think of

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 Jesus' conception

00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:31.200
 as abnormal

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 and humans

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 as different.

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 His,

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 the whole of

00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:37.000
 his human existence

00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:39.759
 from his conception

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 he was fully human.

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 It wasn't that

00:18:41.579 --> 00:18:41.980
 because he was

00:18:41.980 --> 00:18:42.819
 somehow God

00:18:42.819 --> 00:18:43.279
 and man

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 and that his

00:18:44.500 --> 00:18:45.019
 humanity was

00:18:45.019 --> 00:18:45.720
 less than human.

00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:46.779
 He was fully human

00:18:46.779 --> 00:18:47.400
 in every way

00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:48.539
 all the way through.

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 So,

00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:49.720
 Jesus'

00:18:49.879 --> 00:18:50.579
 own humanity

00:18:50.579 --> 00:18:52.180
 confirms the witness

00:18:52.180 --> 00:18:53.099
 of the rest of scripture

00:18:53.099 --> 00:18:55.680
 that unborn life

00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:56.379
 is human.

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 I think we can

00:18:59.819 --> 00:19:00.759
 add an extra

00:19:00.759 --> 00:19:01.940
 wrinkle to this too

00:19:01.940 --> 00:19:02.799
 that the unborn child

00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:03.319
 is unique.

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 Especially sometimes

00:19:06.799 --> 00:19:07.700
 in a kind of

00:19:07.700 --> 00:19:08.579
 attempt to comfort

00:19:08.579 --> 00:19:09.720
 people after miscarriage.

00:19:10.579 --> 00:19:11.539
 The impression is given

00:19:11.539 --> 00:19:12.819
 that unborn life

00:19:12.819 --> 00:19:14.079
 is kind of replaceable.

00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:16.679
 well-meaning people

00:19:16.679 --> 00:19:17.480
 would say something like

00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:17.740
 well,

00:19:18.299 --> 00:19:18.879
 don't worry here

00:19:18.879 --> 00:19:19.299
 I'm sure you can

00:19:19.299 --> 00:19:19.819
 have another one.

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 Kind of built

00:19:22.419 --> 00:19:22.960
 on the assumption

00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:23.439
 that,

00:19:23.779 --> 00:19:24.199
 you know,

00:19:24.240 --> 00:19:24.939
 one day it's pretty much

00:19:24.939 --> 00:19:25.599
 like another baby.

00:19:27.539 --> 00:19:28.179
 And yet,

00:19:28.419 --> 00:19:29.379
 what these two

00:19:29.379 --> 00:19:30.399
 verses reveal

00:19:30.399 --> 00:19:32.139
 is very plainly,

00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:33.139
 if it wasn't already

00:19:33.139 --> 00:19:33.480
 plain,

00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:35.740
 that the individuality

00:19:35.740 --> 00:19:36.859
 of the human beings

00:19:36.859 --> 00:19:37.960
 and the consideration

00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:38.619
 in these verses

00:19:38.619 --> 00:19:40.000
 has begun in a way.

00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:41.179
 They're already the people

00:19:41.179 --> 00:19:41.599
 they're going to be

00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:42.039
 when they're born.

00:19:42.039 --> 00:19:42.799
 So,

00:19:43.059 --> 00:19:43.720
 Luke 1.44

00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:45.019
 is Elizabeth

00:19:45.019 --> 00:19:48.359
 at the arrival

00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:49.460
 of Mary.

00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:51.720
 And Elizabeth

00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:53.319
 feels her baby John.

00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:55.099
 And the text

00:19:55.099 --> 00:19:56.059
 makes explicit

00:19:56.059 --> 00:19:57.740
 that the Holy Spirit

00:19:57.740 --> 00:19:58.920
 reveals to her

00:19:58.920 --> 00:20:00.879
 why John the Baptist

00:20:00.879 --> 00:20:02.420
 jumps in her day

00:20:02.420 --> 00:20:03.960
 and it's for joy.

00:20:04.980 --> 00:20:05.279
 So,

00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:06.339
 the Holy Spirit

00:20:06.339 --> 00:20:07.039
 is telling us

00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:07.879
 that John the Baptist

00:20:07.879 --> 00:20:08.940
 has begun

00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:10.259
 his distinctive ministry

00:20:10.259 --> 00:20:11.279
 of pointing to Jesus

00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:12.139
 with all birth.

00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:12.559
 So,

00:20:12.619 --> 00:20:13.059
 it's not just

00:20:13.059 --> 00:20:13.839
 a block of jelly,

00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:14.420
 it's not just

00:20:14.420 --> 00:20:15.220
 any old human being

00:20:15.220 --> 00:20:15.639
 who becomes

00:20:15.639 --> 00:20:16.119
 John the Baptist

00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:16.720
 when he's born.

00:20:17.279 --> 00:20:18.139
 He's John the Baptist

00:20:18.139 --> 00:20:18.579
 already,

00:20:18.779 --> 00:20:19.339
 miraculously,

00:20:19.460 --> 00:20:19.899
 of course.

00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:21.819
 But he is.

00:20:22.700 --> 00:20:23.259
 He's already

00:20:23.259 --> 00:20:24.220
 a unique human being

00:20:24.220 --> 00:20:25.299
 fulfilling the role

00:20:25.299 --> 00:20:25.819
 that the prophets

00:20:25.819 --> 00:20:26.240
 assigned

00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:26.920
 and announced

00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:27.440
 in advance

00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:28.359
 to Zechariah and Elizabeth.

00:20:29.339 --> 00:20:30.339
 And in Genesis 25,

00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:30.660
 22,

00:20:30.720 --> 00:20:30.980
 23,

00:20:31.059 --> 00:20:31.799
 you have a very similar thing.

00:20:31.859 --> 00:20:32.180
 That is,

00:20:33.220 --> 00:20:33.819
 Jacob and Esau

00:20:33.819 --> 00:20:34.259
 twins.

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 Some of you may have

00:20:35.460 --> 00:20:35.839
 had twins

00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:37.019
 or had the experience

00:20:37.019 --> 00:20:37.460
 of having twins.

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 It can be pretty uncomfortable.

00:20:38.380 --> 00:20:40.320
 But for their mum,

00:20:40.780 --> 00:20:41.780
 she feels

00:20:41.780 --> 00:20:42.920
 an unusual amount

00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:44.380
 of pretty strong movement.

00:20:44.560 --> 00:20:45.000
 And again,

00:20:45.100 --> 00:20:46.100
 the text takes the trouble

00:20:46.100 --> 00:20:46.640
 to tell us

00:20:46.640 --> 00:20:47.860
 that it's God

00:20:47.860 --> 00:20:48.920
 reveals to her

00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:50.480
 why she's feeling it.

00:20:51.740 --> 00:20:52.260
 Because

00:20:52.260 --> 00:20:53.240
 two nations

00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:54.420
 are in your womb,

00:20:54.820 --> 00:20:55.060
 Rebecca.

00:20:56.380 --> 00:20:57.640
 These two babies

00:20:57.640 --> 00:20:58.280
 are not just

00:20:58.280 --> 00:20:59.280
 sort of

00:20:59.280 --> 00:21:01.620
 impersonal beings.

00:21:01.820 --> 00:21:02.600
 They are already

00:21:02.600 --> 00:21:03.720
 playing out

00:21:03.720 --> 00:21:05.060
 the personalities

00:21:05.060 --> 00:21:05.940
 before birth

00:21:05.940 --> 00:21:07.300
 that will so colour

00:21:07.300 --> 00:21:07.900
 much of the rest

00:21:07.900 --> 00:21:08.259
 of the story

00:21:08.259 --> 00:21:09.280
 of Genesis after birth.

00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:11.540
 Do you know

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 some of the

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 in your womb?

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 So,

00:21:13.340 --> 00:21:14.000
 when Scripture

00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:15.040
 gives us a window

00:21:15.040 --> 00:21:15.900
 onto life

00:21:15.900 --> 00:21:17.080
 inside the womb,

00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:18.220
 it tells us

00:21:18.220 --> 00:21:19.080
 that not only

00:21:19.080 --> 00:21:19.580
 is it part of

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 the whole creation

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 over which God

00:21:21.120 --> 00:21:21.560
 is sovereign

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 and to whom

00:21:23.220 --> 00:21:23.840
 we are accountable,

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 it tells us

00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:25.700
 that unborn life

00:21:25.700 --> 00:21:26.200
 is human

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 and distinctively

00:21:27.620 --> 00:21:28.120
 personal,

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 unique already.

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 And therefore,

00:21:32.019 --> 00:21:32.720
 there's another

00:21:32.720 --> 00:21:33.840
 aspect to

00:21:33.840 --> 00:21:35.460
 Scripture's teaching

00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:36.380
 which is very

00:21:36.380 --> 00:21:36.759
 important,

00:21:36.759 --> 00:21:37.720
 which is

00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:38.220
 the unborn

00:21:38.220 --> 00:21:38.879
 child is weak.

00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:40.579
 The unborn

00:21:40.579 --> 00:21:41.079
 child is weak.

00:21:41.160 --> 00:21:41.900
 The most dangerous

00:21:41.900 --> 00:21:43.960
 place to be

00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:47.299
 in the whole

00:21:47.299 --> 00:21:47.900
 of your life

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 in England

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 and Wales,

00:21:50.180 --> 00:21:51.180
 statistically speaking,

00:21:51.740 --> 00:21:52.140
 is in your

00:21:52.140 --> 00:21:52.579
 mother's womb.

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 You are never

00:21:53.819 --> 00:21:54.400
 more likely

00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:55.759
 to meet a violent

00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:56.079
 death

00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:57.480
 than in your

00:21:57.480 --> 00:21:57.920
 mother's womb.

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 Because never

00:21:59.740 --> 00:22:00.480
 again does the

00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:00.940
 death rate

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 reach 22%.

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 And at that

00:22:06.120 --> 00:22:06.940
 stage of development,

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 there is obviously

00:22:08.620 --> 00:22:10.660
 no possibility

00:22:10.660 --> 00:22:12.940
 whatever for the

00:22:12.940 --> 00:22:14.440
 unborn child to

00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:15.340
 express themselves

00:22:15.340 --> 00:22:17.500
 and to exert

00:22:17.500 --> 00:22:18.000
 their own

00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:18.920
 on the situation

00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:19.820
 they are as weak

00:22:19.820 --> 00:22:20.360
 as it's possible

00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:20.740
 for a human

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 being to be.

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 And Psalm 82

00:22:24.500 --> 00:22:25.140
 is one of those

00:22:25.140 --> 00:22:27.160
 places all over

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 Scripture where

00:22:28.519 --> 00:22:30.320
 God gets very

00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:30.960
 crossed with his

00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:32.059
 people when

00:22:32.059 --> 00:22:32.759
 they overlook

00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:33.619
 the cause of the

00:22:33.619 --> 00:22:34.240
 weak and the

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 fatherless.

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 So defend the

00:22:36.259 --> 00:22:36.899
 cause of the

00:22:36.899 --> 00:22:37.299
 weak and

00:22:37.299 --> 00:22:37.819
 fatherless.

00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:38.759
 Maintain the

00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:39.439
 rights of the

00:22:39.439 --> 00:22:39.839
 poor and

00:22:39.839 --> 00:22:40.240
 oppressed.

00:22:40.539 --> 00:22:41.139
 Rescue the

00:22:41.139 --> 00:22:41.639
 weak and

00:22:41.639 --> 00:22:41.960
 needy.

00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:42.720
 Deliver them

00:22:42.720 --> 00:22:43.639
 from the hand

00:22:43.639 --> 00:22:44.460
 of the wicked,

00:22:44.700 --> 00:22:45.259
 God says to

00:22:45.259 --> 00:22:45.700
 his people.

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 And God is

00:22:49.139 --> 00:22:50.279
 saying in part,

00:22:50.539 --> 00:22:51.279
 is this not how

00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:51.879
 I treat you?

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 Haven't I

00:22:53.779 --> 00:22:54.559
 taken you as a

00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:55.460
 weak nation from

00:22:55.460 --> 00:22:55.980
 among all the

00:22:55.980 --> 00:22:56.400
 nations of

00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:56.860
 the earth and

00:22:56.860 --> 00:22:58.480
 protected you and

00:22:58.480 --> 00:22:59.100
 loved you and

00:22:59.100 --> 00:22:59.700
 cared for you?

00:23:01.279 --> 00:23:01.940
 And now when you

00:23:01.940 --> 00:23:02.799
 see weak people

00:23:02.799 --> 00:23:03.700
 around you and

00:23:03.700 --> 00:23:04.299
 do nothing,

00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:06.180
 you're denying my

00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:08.000
 character and

00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:08.960
 you're inviting my

00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:09.259
 anger.

00:23:11.220 --> 00:23:14.860
 And we do

00:23:14.860 --> 00:23:16.380
 well to hear

00:23:16.380 --> 00:23:17.180
 such instructions

00:23:17.180 --> 00:23:18.700
 today.

00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:20.880
 That if you

00:23:20.880 --> 00:23:21.539
 ask who are the

00:23:21.539 --> 00:23:22.440
 weakest, who are

00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.100
 the fatherless,

00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:24.019
 the way of

00:23:24.019 --> 00:23:24.819
 abortion legislation,

00:23:24.819 --> 00:23:25.439
 the way abortions

00:23:25.439 --> 00:23:25.980
 work, is the

00:23:25.980 --> 00:23:27.700
 father is legally

00:23:27.700 --> 00:23:29.240
 deleted from the

00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:29.659
 process.

00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.439
 The father has no

00:23:31.439 --> 00:23:31.859
 rights.

00:23:32.139 --> 00:23:33.220
 I don't understand

00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:33.879
 why, because the

00:23:33.879 --> 00:23:34.659
 baby is entirely

00:23:34.659 --> 00:23:36.500
 growing in the

00:23:36.500 --> 00:23:37.000
 woman's body.

00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:38.200
 The father may or

00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:41.139
 may not be keen

00:23:41.139 --> 00:23:42.039
 to keep the child.

00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:42.859
 It's irrelevant.

00:23:44.339 --> 00:23:44.879
 And fathers are

00:23:44.879 --> 00:23:45.379
 often far too

00:23:45.379 --> 00:23:45.700
 absent.

00:23:46.339 --> 00:23:46.899
 But one way or

00:23:46.899 --> 00:23:47.619
 another, this

00:23:47.619 --> 00:23:48.200
 baby is made

00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:48.740
 fatherless.

00:23:49.779 --> 00:23:54.379
 And that's an

00:23:54.379 --> 00:23:54.799
 issue we need

00:23:54.799 --> 00:23:55.139
 to think about

00:23:55.139 --> 00:23:55.680
 how to respond.

00:23:56.099 --> 00:23:56.639
 So summarizing

00:23:56.639 --> 00:23:57.220
 what's seen from

00:23:57.220 --> 00:23:58.220
 the Bible, I

00:23:58.220 --> 00:23:58.720
 would argue, the

00:23:58.720 --> 00:23:59.399
 unborn child is

00:23:59.399 --> 00:24:00.859
 great by God, a

00:24:00.859 --> 00:24:01.919
 unique and very

00:24:01.919 --> 00:24:02.659
 weak human being.

00:24:03.019 --> 00:24:03.659
 And therefore, they

00:24:03.659 --> 00:24:04.740
 are our neighbors.

00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:06.319
 They're in God's

00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:07.960
 image to be loved.

00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:09.759
 How are you that?

00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:10.480
 It's a big question.

00:24:11.379 --> 00:24:12.700
 Because it's quite

00:24:12.700 --> 00:24:13.220
 hard to get to

00:24:13.220 --> 00:24:13.359
 them.

00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:16.039
 But that's the

00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:16.639
 direction that

00:24:16.639 --> 00:24:17.779
 Scripture, to my

00:24:17.779 --> 00:24:18.559
 mind, necessarily

00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:19.259
 pushes us.

00:24:19.259 --> 00:24:22.539
 Now, there are

00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:23.500
 people that read

00:24:23.500 --> 00:24:24.400
 the same Bible and

00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:24.819
 they come to a

00:24:24.819 --> 00:24:25.279
 different view and

00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:26.180
 you may be one of

00:24:26.180 --> 00:24:26.440
 those.

00:24:27.599 --> 00:24:28.279
 I want to introduce

00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:29.140
 you to this thing

00:24:29.140 --> 00:24:29.680
 called the

00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:30.180
 precautionary

00:24:30.180 --> 00:24:30.519
 principle.

00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:31.119
 That's one thing

00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:31.579
 you can call it.

00:24:31.640 --> 00:24:32.039
 And I want to

00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:32.420
 introduce it by

00:24:32.420 --> 00:24:32.879
 telling you a little

00:24:32.879 --> 00:24:33.119
 story.

00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:34.519
 Imagine, this may be

00:24:34.519 --> 00:24:35.279
 very far from

00:24:35.279 --> 00:24:36.099
 anything you'll ever

00:24:36.099 --> 00:24:36.599
 do, but imagine

00:24:36.599 --> 00:24:37.680
 you're going hunting

00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.259
 with a friend in a

00:24:39.259 --> 00:24:39.539
 forest.

00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:40.240
 And let's say you

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:41.319
 want to hunt deer.

00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:42.680
 And you split up in

00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:43.259
 two directions.

00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:45.240
 and you're waiting

00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:46.099
 for some time

00:24:46.099 --> 00:24:47.259
 before you see a deer.

00:24:47.879 --> 00:24:48.980
 And you see

00:24:48.980 --> 00:24:50.660
 something that's a

00:24:50.660 --> 00:24:51.400
 shootable distance

00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:52.879
 away in a bush.

00:24:53.180 --> 00:24:55.640
 And you're 99%

00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:56.579
 certain that it is a

00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:56.779
 deer.

00:24:57.279 --> 00:24:57.779
 So there's just a

00:24:57.779 --> 00:24:58.720
 1% chance it could

00:24:58.720 --> 00:24:59.259
 be your friend.

00:25:04.660 --> 00:25:06.240
 I think everybody

00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:06.799
 would know that

00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:07.519
 was not acceptable

00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:07.859
 odds.

00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:09.539
 You ought to be

00:25:09.539 --> 00:25:10.400
 absolutely certain

00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:11.460
 that it's not a

00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:12.259
 human being before

00:25:12.259 --> 00:25:12.839
 you pull the trigger.

00:25:14.019 --> 00:25:14.740
 And even for people

00:25:14.740 --> 00:25:15.500
 who find scripture

00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:16.779
 is less straightforward,

00:25:16.940 --> 00:25:17.879
 less clear than me,

00:25:18.299 --> 00:25:19.059
 I'd love to have a

00:25:19.059 --> 00:25:21.319
 discussion about why,

00:25:21.460 --> 00:25:22.079
 because I think it's

00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:22.579
 very clear.

00:25:23.379 --> 00:25:24.539
 But, as I say,

00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:25.099
 there are people who

00:25:25.099 --> 00:25:25.660
 take the Bible as

00:25:25.660 --> 00:25:26.220
 seriously as I do

00:25:26.220 --> 00:25:26.619
 and come to a

00:25:26.619 --> 00:25:27.019
 different view.

00:25:27.859 --> 00:25:28.960
 And they'd better

00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:30.480
 be 100% sure,

00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:32.400
 before they say,

00:25:32.980 --> 00:25:33.500
 before they come to

00:25:33.500 --> 00:25:33.960
 a different view

00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:34.420
 about abortion,

00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:34.799
 they'd better be

00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.299
 100% sure that the

00:25:36.299 --> 00:25:36.799
 lives we're talking

00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:37.640
 about are not our

00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:38.339
 human neighbors who

00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:38.879
 need to be loved.

00:25:41.140 --> 00:25:43.000
 I argue that they

00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:43.980
 are, and that if

00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:44.920
 there is any doubt

00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:46.079
 about it, we must be

00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:47.200
 certain to treat them

00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:47.759
 as they are.

00:25:48.539 --> 00:25:49.279
 And the conclusion

00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:51.019
 that I draw from

00:25:51.019 --> 00:25:52.220
 these parts of God's

00:25:52.220 --> 00:25:53.839
 word has moved me

00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:55.940
 in my medical training

00:25:55.940 --> 00:25:56.779
 as a medical student.

00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:57.640
 I was a Christian,

00:25:58.400 --> 00:26:00.319
 but I hadn't thought

00:26:00.319 --> 00:26:01.220
 about ethical things,

00:26:02.160 --> 00:26:02.980
 and it was a routine

00:26:02.980 --> 00:26:03.579
 part of medical

00:26:03.579 --> 00:26:04.480
 students' training to be

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:05.039
 offered a chance to

00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:06.640
 be involved in

00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:08.039
 abortions.

00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:09.639
 And I never did a

00:26:09.639 --> 00:26:10.139
 procedure, because

00:26:10.139 --> 00:26:11.180
 only doctors can do

00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:12.920
 it, and I was part

00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:14.519
 of the care of women

00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:15.000
 who were having

00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:15.619
 abortions.

00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:18.200
 And I knew it was

00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.319
 sad, but I've come

00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:21.159
 to think, under the

00:26:21.159 --> 00:26:21.799
 teaching of Scripture,

00:26:22.420 --> 00:26:23.440
 that in fact it is

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:23.680
 wrong.

00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:25.920
 Abortion is wrong.

00:26:26.740 --> 00:26:28.359
 And it's wrong for

00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:29.019
 the reasons that I've

00:26:29.019 --> 00:26:31.319
 seen in Scripture and

00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:32.839
 shown you, even though

00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:33.319
 it's legal.

00:26:33.420 --> 00:26:33.920
 And it's hard,

00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.720
 this, because in our

00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:36.599
 country, wonderfully,

00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.559
 most of the laws on

00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:39.679
 which society

00:26:39.679 --> 00:26:40.859
 organises itself are

00:26:40.859 --> 00:26:41.779
 heavily influenced by

00:26:41.779 --> 00:26:42.379
 the day of Christian

00:26:42.379 --> 00:26:43.240
 values, and so they

00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:44.279
 fit very well with the

00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:44.839
 teaching of the Bible,

00:26:44.959 --> 00:26:45.579
 by and large.

00:26:45.879 --> 00:26:47.019
 And it's a surprise for

00:26:47.019 --> 00:26:48.679
 us to say, to come to

00:26:48.679 --> 00:26:49.839
 the conclusion that this

00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:52.039
 law is radically

00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:53.179
 opposed to the main

00:26:53.179 --> 00:26:53.839
 thing in the Bible,

00:26:53.939 --> 00:26:54.959
 but I think it is.

00:26:57.519 --> 00:26:58.639
 And if abortion is

00:26:58.639 --> 00:26:59.519
 wrong because it's the

00:26:59.519 --> 00:27:00.179
 ending of a human

00:27:00.179 --> 00:27:01.459
 life, the kind that

00:27:01.459 --> 00:27:02.719
 God rules out in his

00:27:02.719 --> 00:27:05.419
 work, then it's wrong

00:27:05.419 --> 00:27:06.159
 even in the really

00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:06.860
 hard cases.

00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:07.779
 There's one exception,

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:09.820
 and that will be the

00:27:09.820 --> 00:27:12.060
 exception where, as in

00:27:12.060 --> 00:27:12.800
 for example in an

00:27:12.800 --> 00:27:14.620
 ectopic pregnancy, where

00:27:14.620 --> 00:27:15.960
 an embryo is developing

00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.100
 outside the womb, as

00:27:18.100 --> 00:27:19.060
 happens sometimes, it

00:27:19.060 --> 00:27:19.860
 doesn't go quite far

00:27:19.860 --> 00:27:20.720
 enough down into the

00:27:20.720 --> 00:27:21.420
 womb, for example, but

00:27:21.420 --> 00:27:23.160
 it's in the uterine

00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:23.560
 tube.

00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:25.320
 When that happens, it's

00:27:25.320 --> 00:27:26.100
 not possible for the

00:27:26.100 --> 00:27:27.320
 pregnancy to develop

00:27:27.320 --> 00:27:28.200
 beyond a certain size.

00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:29.000
 What will happen if it

00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:30.160
 does, is it will

00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:31.060
 expand, it will burst

00:27:31.060 --> 00:27:32.860
 the uterine artery, and

00:27:32.860 --> 00:27:34.060
 then within a very few

00:27:34.060 --> 00:27:35.800
 minutes, the mother will

00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:36.599
 bleed into her tummy

00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:37.019
 and die.

00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.099
 And there is no way to

00:27:39.099 --> 00:27:39.879
 sustain the life of that

00:27:39.879 --> 00:27:40.500
 baby when some mother

00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:40.839
 died.

00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:44.799
 In that setting, it

00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:46.819
 seems to me right to

00:27:46.819 --> 00:27:48.519
 intervene because you

00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:49.500
 know without a doubt

00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:52.440
 that you are saving one

00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:53.200
 life from death.

00:27:54.019 --> 00:27:55.379
 And there are Christians

00:27:55.379 --> 00:27:56.139
 who would disagree with

00:27:56.139 --> 00:27:57.159
 me, because they would

00:27:57.159 --> 00:27:57.759
 say it's not a

00:27:57.759 --> 00:27:58.500
 circumstance where it's

00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.559
 okay to take human life

00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:00.019
 even then.

00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:01.460
 that it's one of those

00:28:01.460 --> 00:28:03.180
 risks of having sex that

00:28:03.180 --> 00:28:05.160
 people ought to accept

00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:06.680
 and that could end up

00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:07.059
 killing them.

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:09.460
 But, for myself, I

00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:10.379
 think that's the one

00:28:10.379 --> 00:28:10.720
 exception.

00:28:10.879 --> 00:28:12.099
 There will be one or two

00:28:12.099 --> 00:28:13.160
 similar cases where

00:28:13.160 --> 00:28:14.059
 there's no doubt that

00:28:14.059 --> 00:28:15.319
 intervene now will save

00:28:15.319 --> 00:28:17.599
 one life rather than a

00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:18.299
 certain loss of two.

00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:19.259
 There are plenty of

00:28:19.259 --> 00:28:21.180
 other hard cases where

00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.839
 I don't think it is

00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:24.440
 justified.

00:28:24.619 --> 00:28:25.279
 And if you'd like to

00:28:25.279 --> 00:28:26.079
 ask me a question about

00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:27.160
 a particular one that

00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:30.779
 relates to you, if

00:28:30.779 --> 00:28:31.759
 your starting point is

00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:32.640
 that if you have a

00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:33.279
 pregnant woman, then

00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:34.080
 you have two human

00:28:34.080 --> 00:28:37.460
 beings, then you have

00:28:37.460 --> 00:28:38.320
 to try and find a

00:28:38.320 --> 00:28:39.080
 solution which doesn't

00:28:39.080 --> 00:28:39.840
 result in one of them

00:28:39.840 --> 00:28:40.120
 dying.

00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.460
 And even if the

00:28:44.460 --> 00:28:45.420
 second life has come

00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:46.279
 about, for example,

00:28:46.380 --> 00:28:47.360
 as a result of a rape,

00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:49.100
 which is a horrendous

00:28:49.100 --> 00:28:49.920
 crime against a woman,

00:28:51.360 --> 00:28:54.040
 and where that rape,

00:28:54.140 --> 00:28:55.080
 let's say, has been of

00:28:55.080 --> 00:28:57.140
 a Muslim girl who is

00:28:57.140 --> 00:28:59.440
 now thrown out of

00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:02.220
 her family because her

00:29:02.220 --> 00:29:03.020
 family can't come to

00:29:03.020 --> 00:29:04.040
 terms with what has

00:29:04.040 --> 00:29:04.640
 been done to her.

00:29:05.880 --> 00:29:06.900
 And where she would

00:29:06.900 --> 00:29:10.060
 be, you know, perhaps

00:29:10.060 --> 00:29:11.060
 if she could get an

00:29:11.060 --> 00:29:13.759
 abortion, it would be

00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:15.259
 possible to cover it

00:29:15.259 --> 00:29:17.600
 up and save her life

00:29:17.600 --> 00:29:18.280
 from falling apart,

00:29:18.340 --> 00:29:18.820
 you might think.

00:29:19.900 --> 00:29:21.220
 Even in those cases,

00:29:21.980 --> 00:29:23.600
 I'm forced to think it

00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:25.120
 would be better to try

00:29:25.120 --> 00:29:26.340
 and find a way of

00:29:26.339 --> 00:29:28.000
 supporting her with her

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:29.980
 child, even if her

00:29:29.980 --> 00:29:32.119
 family throw her out,

00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:35.000
 because the alternative

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:36.539
 is ending in human life.

00:29:38.139 --> 00:29:41.839
 And there are some

00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.339
 extraordinary books and

00:29:43.339 --> 00:29:44.720
 testimonies written by

00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:47.799
 people who have been

00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:48.119
 raped.

00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.479
 raped, and there's one

00:29:50.479 --> 00:29:52.059
 quite well known one, a

00:29:52.059 --> 00:29:52.759
 woman who had been

00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.000
 raped, and had wanted to

00:29:54.000 --> 00:29:54.619
 have an abortion, and the

00:29:54.619 --> 00:29:55.179
 abortion had not

00:29:55.179 --> 00:29:55.579
 succeeded.

00:29:56.639 --> 00:29:57.479
 And she ended up carrying

00:29:57.479 --> 00:29:58.259
 the child to term.

00:29:59.139 --> 00:30:00.319
 And she's able now to

00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.199
 see, and to be so glad

00:30:02.199 --> 00:30:03.219
 that she now has this

00:30:03.219 --> 00:30:04.559
 child, because the

00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:09.799
 child is not half its

00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:10.139
 father.

00:30:10.299 --> 00:30:11.359
 It's not half a

00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:11.799
 rapist.

00:30:12.159 --> 00:30:12.899
 It's a new individual.

00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:16.000
 And she celebrates and

00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:17.060
 rejoices over her.

00:30:17.120 --> 00:30:19.080
 There's more one, I've

00:30:19.080 --> 00:30:20.060
 actually done it if it's a

00:30:20.060 --> 00:30:22.920
 boy or a girl, but there's

00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:23.580
 more one to say about

00:30:23.580 --> 00:30:24.180
 parques, and you're

00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:24.860
 welcome to ask me about

00:30:24.860 --> 00:30:25.660
 them if you would like.

00:30:28.360 --> 00:30:30.980
 But our starting point, if

00:30:30.980 --> 00:30:32.080
 we're thinking through them

00:30:32.080 --> 00:30:33.800
 all, is a woman who's

00:30:33.800 --> 00:30:35.519
 expecting a baby is two

00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:36.720
 human beings.

00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:39.840
 Now, having said that, it's

00:30:39.840 --> 00:30:41.060
 really important to go

00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:42.019
 straight on to say that

00:30:42.019 --> 00:30:42.960
 forgiveness is always

00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:44.659
 available, even for such

00:30:44.659 --> 00:30:45.000
 things.

00:30:45.679 --> 00:30:47.700
 And this is what Jesus

00:30:47.700 --> 00:30:49.200
 meant when he was hung

00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:50.379
 across and said, it is

00:30:50.379 --> 00:30:50.819
 finished.

00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:52.500
 I have paid for all sin,

00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.279
 all the sin that I did.

00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:56.799
 When I push God to

00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:58.079
 do my life, I'm committing

00:30:58.079 --> 00:30:59.799
 an infinitely serious sin

00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:00.839
 against an infinitely

00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:01.980
 powerful God, and

00:31:01.980 --> 00:31:02.619
 thinking that I can

00:31:02.619 --> 00:31:03.399
 replace him with me.

00:31:05.179 --> 00:31:06.159
 Christ died that even

00:31:06.159 --> 00:31:07.139
 that can be forgiven.

00:31:08.159 --> 00:31:09.319
 Christ died that all our

00:31:09.319 --> 00:31:10.179
 sins can be forgiven.

00:31:11.059 --> 00:31:11.859
 And in this beautiful

00:31:11.859 --> 00:31:12.720
 picture in which the

00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:13.559
 ministry of Christ is

00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:14.799
 foreshadowed, it says,

00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:16.259
 they or sins are like

00:31:16.259 --> 00:31:17.899
 scarlet, they shall be as

00:31:17.899 --> 00:31:18.619
 white as snow.

00:31:18.700 --> 00:31:19.759
 That's what Jesus did for

00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:20.000
 us.

00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:22.899
 And that's the sweet

00:31:22.899 --> 00:31:25.039
 offer and discovery in the

00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:25.299
 gospel.

00:31:25.899 --> 00:31:27.000
 But even where we've done

00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:27.720
 wrong, and there'll be

00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:28.679
 different reasons why we

00:31:28.679 --> 00:31:28.980
 did it.

00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:30.700
 Many of them may have

00:31:30.700 --> 00:31:31.159
 been because we were

00:31:31.159 --> 00:31:32.039
 responding to advice that

00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:32.679
 this was the right thing

00:31:32.679 --> 00:31:33.019
 to do.

00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.720
 As we discover the way

00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:39.099
 the Lord views it, we can

00:31:39.099 --> 00:31:40.359
 discover at the same time

00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:41.519
 the ruin of the Lord

00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:42.039
 has made us, let's

00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:43.199
 forgive us, and have us

00:31:43.199 --> 00:31:45.439
 as his children, clean and

00:31:45.439 --> 00:31:47.439
 white and pure, because of

00:31:47.439 --> 00:31:47.659
 Jesus.

00:31:48.779 --> 00:31:49.819
 And I always put a slide

00:31:49.819 --> 00:31:50.359
 like this up.

00:31:51.000 --> 00:31:52.179
 There may be closer ones

00:31:52.179 --> 00:31:53.179
 to you, but that's the

00:31:53.179 --> 00:31:53.639
 phone number for

00:31:53.639 --> 00:31:55.059
 Oxford Wimbledon, and

00:31:55.059 --> 00:31:56.159
 that's the website where

00:31:56.159 --> 00:31:57.000
 you can find other

00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:58.119
 Brexit centres while you

00:31:58.119 --> 00:31:59.079
 wait for eating to start.

00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.699
 If it affects you or

00:32:00.699 --> 00:32:02.059
 someone you know, there

00:32:02.059 --> 00:32:07.279
 are places to go to get

00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:09.519
 help to discuss what's

00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:11.019
 happened without you

00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:12.259
 having to necessarily

00:32:12.259 --> 00:32:13.139
 tell a friend.

00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:14.180
 Though if you can tell

00:32:14.180 --> 00:32:15.279
 a friend, it's usually

00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:15.680
 that way.

00:32:16.980 --> 00:32:18.139
 Abortion is wrong.

00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:19.240
 And while we're at it,

00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:20.259
 we should probably say

00:32:20.259 --> 00:32:20.899
 that some of those

00:32:20.899 --> 00:32:21.799
 forms of contraception

00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:22.539
 are wrong for the same

00:32:22.539 --> 00:32:23.879
 reasons where they

00:32:23.879 --> 00:32:27.000
 result in the failing to

00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:27.740
 implant or the

00:32:27.740 --> 00:32:28.259
 embryo that's been

00:32:28.259 --> 00:32:28.680
 created.

00:32:28.899 --> 00:32:29.519
 Even though it's so

00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:30.200
 common, everyone does

00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:31.139
 it, you go to CGP and

00:32:31.139 --> 00:32:32.559
 you ask for, you've had a

00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.960
 baby, the standard

00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:36.519
 standard of

00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:37.759
 contraception after a

00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:38.559
 baby is a mini-pill,

00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:39.140
 a progesterone-only

00:32:39.140 --> 00:32:40.799
 mini-pill, and it's

00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:41.660
 likely that that works

00:32:41.660 --> 00:32:42.720
 in a percentage of

00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.000
 times by preventing

00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:45.559
 implantation.

00:32:46.759 --> 00:32:47.680
 So, again, it's

00:32:47.680 --> 00:32:48.340
 normal, it's entirely

00:32:48.340 --> 00:32:51.140
 legal, but Christians who

00:32:51.140 --> 00:32:52.259
 know this and get to

00:32:52.259 --> 00:32:53.120
 find out about this

00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:54.299
 will want to discuss

00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:55.079
 another way of doing

00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:55.840
 contraception than one

00:32:55.840 --> 00:32:56.660
 of those methods.

00:32:56.920 --> 00:32:57.460
 And again, if that's

00:32:57.460 --> 00:32:58.200
 rather than to you, I

00:32:58.200 --> 00:32:58.660
 can point in the

00:32:58.660 --> 00:32:59.220
 direction for some more

00:32:59.220 --> 00:33:00.960
 information about that.

00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:01.860
 And it also means that

00:33:01.860 --> 00:33:02.460
 some infertility

00:33:02.460 --> 00:33:03.380
 treatments are wrong

00:33:03.380 --> 00:33:04.120
 for the same reason.

00:33:04.180 --> 00:33:04.819
 Again, even though

00:33:04.819 --> 00:33:05.559
 they're legal, and

00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:07.339
 even though a baby

00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:08.039
 itself is such a

00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:08.720
 beautiful thing to

00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.579
 long for, if the

00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:12.639
 process results in the

00:33:12.639 --> 00:33:15.000
 death of embryos, we're

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:15.659
 talking about a process

00:33:15.659 --> 00:33:17.279
 that is creating and

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:17.939
 then resulting in the

00:33:17.939 --> 00:33:18.919
 death of human beings.

00:33:19.639 --> 00:33:20.439
 And I don't think that

00:33:20.439 --> 00:33:22.139
 it's okay, because I

00:33:22.139 --> 00:33:23.439
 think the Bible is

00:33:23.439 --> 00:33:24.859
 encouraging me to see

00:33:24.859 --> 00:33:25.480
 that it's not okay.

00:33:26.500 --> 00:33:27.779
 And it also means that

00:33:27.779 --> 00:33:28.559
 miscarriages are

00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:29.079
 bereavements.

00:33:30.139 --> 00:33:30.960
 But when a pregnancy

00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.480
 ends in a miscarriage,

00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:33.839
 it's right to be sad.

00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.379
 We don't just shrug it

00:33:35.379 --> 00:33:35.619
 off.

00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:36.419
 And we're not kind of

00:33:36.419 --> 00:33:37.439
 prescribed that everybody

00:33:37.439 --> 00:33:38.240
 has to respond in the

00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:38.619
 same way.

00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.139
 So it's a very odd time

00:33:40.139 --> 00:33:41.379
 because there's a

00:33:41.379 --> 00:33:42.259
 relationship which was

00:33:42.259 --> 00:33:43.939
 anticipated and dreamt

00:33:43.939 --> 00:33:44.839
 about in all kinds of

00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:45.500
 ways, and then suddenly

00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:46.339
 brought to them before it

00:33:46.339 --> 00:33:48.099
 ever became very much

00:33:48.099 --> 00:33:48.819
 more than a hope.

00:33:50.019 --> 00:33:51.879
 And so there's going to

00:33:51.879 --> 00:33:53.019
 be a wide range of

00:33:53.019 --> 00:33:53.459
 differences.

00:33:53.659 --> 00:33:55.039
 But it's certainly wrong

00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:55.839
 to assume that

00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:56.619
 miscarriages should be

00:33:56.619 --> 00:33:57.179
 the kind of thing you

00:33:57.179 --> 00:33:57.740
 might have a day off

00:33:57.740 --> 00:33:58.179
 working and you're

00:33:58.179 --> 00:33:58.879
 back in and it's all

00:33:58.879 --> 00:33:59.959
 just as it was.

00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:01.680
 And I'm delighted that

00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:02.600
 here's a secular charity

00:34:02.600 --> 00:34:03.360
 miscarriage.

00:34:03.799 --> 00:34:04.759
 Let's enter silence

00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:05.700
 around miscarriage.

00:34:05.860 --> 00:34:06.620
 Yes, let's.

00:34:07.380 --> 00:34:08.400
 Because it's a loss of

00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:09.179
 human life.

00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:14.539
 Now, if you share those

00:34:14.539 --> 00:34:16.639
 convictions, I think it's

00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:17.619
 one of the things that

00:34:17.619 --> 00:34:19.440
 will change our view of

00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:20.099
 the kind of country in

00:34:20.099 --> 00:34:20.480
 which we live.

00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:21.740
 Because we are used in

00:34:21.740 --> 00:34:23.000
 the West to pointing at

00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:24.900
 civilisations and cultures

00:34:24.900 --> 00:34:26.119
 that we think barbaric and

00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:27.079
 that do terrible things to

00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:27.820
 some of their citizens.

00:34:27.820 --> 00:34:29.500
 And the way they treat

00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:30.400
 women in some parts of

00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:30.720
 the world.

00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:31.600
 Or the way that they

00:34:31.600 --> 00:34:33.160
 treat people from some

00:34:33.160 --> 00:34:34.100
 religion in some parts of

00:34:34.100 --> 00:34:34.380
 the world.

00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.380
 And the history of

00:34:35.380 --> 00:34:36.260
 torture and persecution

00:34:36.260 --> 00:34:36.900
 and so on.

00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.140
 And I think we need to

00:34:38.140 --> 00:34:40.519
 turn a rather more

00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:42.440
 perceptive gaze on our

00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:43.620
 own country where you

00:34:43.620 --> 00:34:44.260
 and I live.

00:34:45.680 --> 00:34:48.580
 Because we supervise the

00:34:48.580 --> 00:34:50.240
 death of half a million

00:34:50.240 --> 00:34:51.640
 of our population every

00:34:51.640 --> 00:34:51.960
 year.

00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:53.400
 The twin thousands

00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:53.880
 were three and a

00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:54.340
 half thousand.

00:34:55.980 --> 00:34:56.740
 Two hundred and five

00:34:56.740 --> 00:34:57.420
 thousand abortions

00:34:57.420 --> 00:34:58.000
 every year in the

00:34:58.000 --> 00:34:58.240
 world.

00:35:01.380 --> 00:35:03.860
 How many people died

00:35:03.860 --> 00:35:04.440
 during the Second

00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:04.920
 World War?

00:35:06.500 --> 00:35:07.380
 More have died from

00:35:07.380 --> 00:35:07.960
 abortions than

00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:08.659
 humans could get.

00:35:12.139 --> 00:35:13.300
 But who knows this?

00:35:14.780 --> 00:35:15.780
 People with God's word

00:35:15.780 --> 00:35:16.500
 in their hand know this

00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:17.159
 and that means that

00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:17.800
 Christians must leave

00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:18.139
 the way.

00:35:18.460 --> 00:35:18.980
 There's no one else

00:35:18.980 --> 00:35:19.380
 who's going to.

00:35:20.460 --> 00:35:21.200
 And there are some

00:35:21.200 --> 00:35:22.039
 Christians that have,

00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:22.920
 and Christian traditions

00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:23.920
 that have a very strong

00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.700
 and dignified history

00:35:25.700 --> 00:35:27.200
 in leading the way or

00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:27.619
 trying to.

00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:29.619
 But not very many

00:35:29.619 --> 00:35:30.839
 and not mine

00:35:30.839 --> 00:35:32.599
 and perhaps not yours.

00:35:34.419 --> 00:35:36.000
 And it is so

00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:37.399
 encouraging to discover

00:35:37.399 --> 00:35:38.119
 that not only here in

00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:38.799
 Ewing but in other

00:35:38.799 --> 00:35:40.099
 places around the

00:35:40.099 --> 00:35:41.159
 country, there's another

00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:41.659
 one they're trying to

00:35:41.659 --> 00:35:42.319
 start in Cambridge,

00:35:42.699 --> 00:35:43.419
 at the same time as

00:35:43.419 --> 00:35:47.259
 you, that people are

00:35:47.259 --> 00:35:47.919
 beginning to realise,

00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:48.559
 Christians are beginning

00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:49.779
 to realise that this is

00:35:49.779 --> 00:35:50.559
 something we need to do

00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:51.039
 something about.

00:35:51.539 --> 00:35:52.579
 So the question is how

00:35:52.579 --> 00:35:53.379
 will we love our

00:35:53.379 --> 00:35:53.819
 humble neighbours?

00:35:53.879 --> 00:35:54.480
 We've worked out that

00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:55.539
 they are humble neighbours

00:35:55.539 --> 00:35:56.300
 and we need to love them.

00:35:56.380 --> 00:35:57.340
 The question is how?

00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:58.079
 And I think there are

00:35:58.079 --> 00:35:59.259
 two broad ways we can

00:35:59.259 --> 00:35:59.800
 think about it.

00:35:59.820 --> 00:36:00.440
 Here's the first one

00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:00.820
 which I'm going to cover

00:36:00.820 --> 00:36:02.539
 quite quickly, just on

00:36:02.539 --> 00:36:03.179
 this one slide.

00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:04.259
 Challenge the culture,

00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:05.440
 even try to change the

00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:05.719
 culture.

00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:07.340
 There are lots of ways

00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:07.940
 we might do that.

00:36:08.219 --> 00:36:09.759
 It's something we could

00:36:09.759 --> 00:36:10.659
 and should be praying

00:36:10.659 --> 00:36:11.019
 about.

00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:12.000
 Not all the time,

00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:12.739
 because there's lots of

00:36:12.739 --> 00:36:13.340
 things that we're praying

00:36:13.340 --> 00:36:14.599
 about, but we should be

00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:16.099
 praying about a culture

00:36:16.099 --> 00:36:16.900
 that finds it possible

00:36:16.900 --> 00:36:17.880
 to kill so many of its

00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:18.279
 citizens.

00:36:19.279 --> 00:36:20.679
 The one in which we live.

00:36:20.679 --> 00:36:24.599
 And we should, we can

00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:26.739
 write or speak, campaign,

00:36:27.299 --> 00:36:28.419
 you know, like, that's a

00:36:28.419 --> 00:36:29.119
 social media comment.

00:36:29.339 --> 00:36:29.919
 I don't really know how

00:36:29.919 --> 00:36:31.279
 it works, but you can like

00:36:31.279 --> 00:36:32.000
 things, can't you?

00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:33.419
 You can let people know

00:36:33.419 --> 00:36:34.619
 the causes that you think

00:36:34.619 --> 00:36:36.079
 really matter with one

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:36.359
 click.

00:36:36.699 --> 00:36:37.480
 You can do that.

00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:38.980
 You can put your head

00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:39.659
 above the parapet.

00:36:39.779 --> 00:36:41.079
 You can get shot down

00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:41.579
 for it.

00:36:41.980 --> 00:36:42.699
 Because you won't get

00:36:42.699 --> 00:36:43.500
 shot down for it, will

00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:43.619
 you?

00:36:45.419 --> 00:36:46.480
 Your life will be fine.

00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:48.599
 You can follow.

00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:51.240
 Another social media

00:36:51.240 --> 00:36:51.500
 thing.

00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:52.420
 You can protest.

00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:54.440
 I mean, that actually

00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:56.139
 is saying, I know why

00:36:56.139 --> 00:36:59.360
 they've done it, but you

00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:00.480
 could protest about that.

00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:02.800
 You can advertise.

00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:04.920
 I know someone who is

00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:05.559
 making a bit of money

00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:06.340
 at the moment, and when

00:37:06.340 --> 00:37:07.139
 they finish making a bit

00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:08.119
 of money, what they quite

00:37:08.119 --> 00:37:08.920
 like to do is spend a bit

00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:10.179
 of money, buying cinema

00:37:10.179 --> 00:37:11.480
 advertising, and just

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:13.840
 showing 4D ultrasound

00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:14.980
 of unborn babies.

00:37:14.980 --> 00:37:17.659
 30 seconds before the

00:37:17.659 --> 00:37:18.039
 main feature.

00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:20.519
 By that advert, it's not

00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:22.740
 making a pro-life message

00:37:22.740 --> 00:37:23.420
 because that would never

00:37:23.420 --> 00:37:24.280
 get shown in the cinema.

00:37:25.059 --> 00:37:25.940
 But just a bit of

00:37:25.940 --> 00:37:26.159
 feature.

00:37:26.240 --> 00:37:26.760
 You know the film

00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:27.760
 2001, Space Odyssey?

00:37:28.179 --> 00:37:30.059
 It ends with a rotating

00:37:30.059 --> 00:37:33.199
 baby, doesn't it?

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:38.619
 Well, similar image

00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:40.260
 before birth.

00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:42.280
 That's what they want

00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:42.519
 to do.

00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:43.599
 Maybe you've got money

00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:44.920
 if you want to know

00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:45.539
 who it is, I'll tell you

00:37:45.539 --> 00:37:46.199
 if you've got to get up.

00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:50.679
 And to do these things

00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:52.839
 with energy, this is

00:37:52.839 --> 00:37:53.699
 going to cost us to do

00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:54.420
 and have to pour out

00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:55.259
 some energy to do this,

00:37:55.279 --> 00:37:56.079
 have to make time in all

00:37:56.079 --> 00:37:56.579
 the other things we're

00:37:56.579 --> 00:37:57.480
 doing, if we're going to

00:37:57.480 --> 00:37:57.759
 do it.

00:37:58.159 --> 00:37:59.619
 Strategy, we want to work

00:37:59.619 --> 00:38:00.279
 out what's effective.

00:38:00.420 --> 00:38:01.079
 So there's a whole bunch

00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:01.799
 of campaigners in the

00:38:01.799 --> 00:38:02.639
 States that have done a

00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:05.139
 lot of study in how big

00:38:05.139 --> 00:38:06.019
 social changes actually

00:38:06.019 --> 00:38:06.380
 happen.

00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:07.739
 Particularly, how was it

00:38:07.739 --> 00:38:08.539
 that slavery got

00:38:08.539 --> 00:38:08.920
 overturned?

00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:10.420
 This great social horror

00:38:10.420 --> 00:38:11.400
 which is not as bad as

00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:12.980
 abortion, in my view.

00:38:12.980 --> 00:38:14.519
 Horrible though it was,

00:38:15.340 --> 00:38:16.300
 I think abortion is more

00:38:16.300 --> 00:38:16.679
 serious.

00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:18.500
 That in the end

00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:19.740
 came to an end

00:38:19.740 --> 00:38:23.139
 because the campaigners

00:38:23.139 --> 00:38:25.199
 put images in front of

00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:26.599
 people so they could

00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:27.940
 actually see what was

00:38:27.940 --> 00:38:28.199
 happening.

00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:31.500
 And I'm not going to

00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:32.019
 share those images

00:38:32.019 --> 00:38:34.240
 tonight, but I know

00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:35.699
 why people do that in

00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:36.340
 their campaigning.

00:38:37.940 --> 00:38:39.240
 Because they care enough

00:38:39.240 --> 00:38:40.260
 about what is happening

00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:41.980
 to try and let other people

00:38:41.980 --> 00:38:42.920
 know what is happening.

00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:44.900
 And when you see what

00:38:44.900 --> 00:38:47.019
 is done, it's very hard

00:38:47.019 --> 00:38:48.699
 to deny that this is the

00:38:48.699 --> 00:38:49.639
 ending of human life.

00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:52.900
 Here's another thing you

00:38:52.900 --> 00:38:53.840
 could do as part of

00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:55.380
 that campaign, or

00:38:55.380 --> 00:38:56.240
 changing the culture

00:38:56.240 --> 00:38:57.019
 anyway, changing the

00:38:57.019 --> 00:38:57.280
 culture.

00:38:57.440 --> 00:38:58.980
 That is one of, I suspect,

00:38:59.099 --> 00:38:59.800
 many websites that

00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.039
 ehd.org produces apps

00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:02.820
 that you can download.

00:39:03.019 --> 00:39:04.559
 I didn't actually know

00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:05.619
 about it until I came

00:39:05.619 --> 00:39:06.199
 across it today.

00:39:06.659 --> 00:39:07.480
 And if you've heard

00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:08.219
 people who've been

00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:08.900
 through printing, you must

00:39:08.900 --> 00:39:09.539
 know all about them.

00:39:09.539 --> 00:39:11.039
 But this is called

00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:13.099
 See My Baby, or My

00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:13.380
 Baby.

00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:15.659
 And it takes you

00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:16.779
 through, it shows you

00:39:16.779 --> 00:39:17.639
 pictures of what your

00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:18.719
 baby looks like at each

00:39:18.719 --> 00:39:19.500
 stage of pregnancy.

00:39:19.940 --> 00:39:23.019
 And apparently my wife

00:39:23.019 --> 00:39:23.579
 told me, oh yeah,

00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:24.019
 they'll be around

00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:24.300
 sometime.

00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:26.059
 And pregnant women

00:39:26.059 --> 00:39:27.279
 share links to say,

00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:27.880
 oh, this is what my

00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:28.579
 baby's doing right now.

00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.579
 What a beautiful way to

00:39:30.579 --> 00:39:31.719
 share real knowledge of

00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:32.619
 what's happening and

00:39:32.619 --> 00:39:34.059
 what it really means to

00:39:34.059 --> 00:39:34.759
 be pregnant.

00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:36.239
 It's not just a

00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:37.199
 preparation for a new

00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:37.619
 human life.

00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:38.439
 It's a new human life

00:39:38.439 --> 00:39:38.719
 growing.

00:39:40.179 --> 00:39:41.279
 So, in that way and

00:39:41.279 --> 00:39:42.119
 other ways, challenge the

00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:43.179
 culture, we could change

00:39:43.179 --> 00:39:43.559
 our language.

00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:44.559
 I mean, it would be a

00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:45.279
 bit radical, but we

00:39:45.279 --> 00:39:46.099
 could move our

00:39:46.099 --> 00:39:46.500
 birthday.

00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:48.219
 Or as well as our

00:39:48.219 --> 00:39:49.699
 birthday, we could have

00:39:49.699 --> 00:39:50.919
 a conception day party.

00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:51.779
 It's a bit odd, isn't

00:39:51.779 --> 00:39:51.879
 it?

00:39:51.879 --> 00:39:52.319
 Because no one's

00:39:52.319 --> 00:39:52.739
 thinking about that.

00:39:54.699 --> 00:39:56.019
 But maybe at least we

00:39:56.019 --> 00:39:58.779
 could say, how old are

00:39:58.779 --> 00:39:58.899
 you?

00:39:58.939 --> 00:39:59.460
 Say, well, I've been

00:39:59.460 --> 00:40:00.659
 born for 50 years, but

00:40:00.659 --> 00:40:01.419
 I'm actually nine months

00:40:01.419 --> 00:40:01.879
 older than that.

00:40:04.339 --> 00:40:05.399
 We could say, so,

00:40:05.759 --> 00:40:06.559
 they say, tell me about

00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:06.920
 the family.

00:40:07.059 --> 00:40:08.099
 Well, instead of

00:40:08.099 --> 00:40:08.920
 saying I have one

00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:10.119
 younger sister, I

00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:10.980
 could say, as is

00:40:10.980 --> 00:40:12.199
 true, my mum had a

00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:12.900
 miscarriage shortly

00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:14.159
 before she became

00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:14.719
 pregnant with me.

00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:17.099
 So I'm in the middle

00:40:17.099 --> 00:40:17.480
 of three.

00:40:21.980 --> 00:40:22.519
 And there's a

00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:22.820
 culture.

00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:24.659
 And, you know, we

00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:25.400
 can shrug this off and

00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:25.779
 go and think there's

00:40:25.779 --> 00:40:26.340
 something else to do

00:40:26.340 --> 00:40:26.960
 tonight, but

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.639
 alternatively, we

00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:29.199
 could go and look for

00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:29.639
 something that we

00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.019
 will begin living and

00:40:31.019 --> 00:40:31.619
 be part of the

00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:31.840
 change.

00:40:33.799 --> 00:40:34.440
 And the same thing

00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:35.039
 we do is we can

00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:36.159
 create a new,

00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:37.079
 microculture.

00:40:38.839 --> 00:40:40.799
 That is, we still

00:40:40.799 --> 00:40:41.199
 have a lot of

00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:41.639
 freedom in this

00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:41.859
 country.

00:40:41.980 --> 00:40:42.839
 We don't have to do

00:40:42.839 --> 00:40:43.420
 everything the way

00:40:43.420 --> 00:40:44.039
 everybody else does

00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:44.119
 it.

00:40:44.159 --> 00:40:45.179
 And we can create a

00:40:45.179 --> 00:40:45.879
 microculture in which

00:40:45.879 --> 00:40:46.579
 things look different.

00:40:47.379 --> 00:40:48.799
 And I want to use my

00:40:48.799 --> 00:40:50.359
 last very few minutes

00:40:50.359 --> 00:40:51.119
 just talking about

00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:52.199
 options, which is what

00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:52.839
 we did in Wimbledon.

00:40:53.019 --> 00:40:54.259
 And I'll just share

00:40:54.259 --> 00:40:55.219
 very briefly how we do

00:40:55.219 --> 00:40:55.819
 it, and there'll be

00:40:55.819 --> 00:40:56.399
 some differences,

00:40:56.619 --> 00:40:57.199
 great, glorious

00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:57.879
 differences about

00:40:57.879 --> 00:40:58.579
 animals, these things

00:40:58.579 --> 00:40:59.199
 are annealing, and this

00:40:59.199 --> 00:40:59.619
 is good.

00:40:59.619 --> 00:41:01.759
 But that we're doing

00:41:01.759 --> 00:41:03.880
 something is really

00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:04.179
 important.

00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:07.980
 So options is down

00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:08.400
 in Wimbledon.

00:41:09.359 --> 00:41:10.299
 These are the services

00:41:10.299 --> 00:41:11.339
 that we've been doing

00:41:11.339 --> 00:41:12.279
 as for, I think it's

00:41:12.279 --> 00:41:13.159
 13 and a half years.

00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:14.319
 I've got to check

00:41:14.319 --> 00:41:14.739
 the card date.

00:41:14.799 --> 00:41:15.279
 We had our 12

00:41:15.279 --> 00:41:15.900
 anniversary a couple

00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:16.179
 years ago.

00:41:16.259 --> 00:41:16.679
 There must be more

00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:17.019
 than that now.

00:41:17.199 --> 00:41:19.440
 Anyway, pregnancy,

00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:20.819
 crisis counselling.

00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:22.840
 So that's when a

00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.380
 woman knows she's

00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:26.180
 pregnant, and it's a

00:41:26.180 --> 00:41:27.100
 crisis for her, she

00:41:27.100 --> 00:41:27.600
 doesn't know what to

00:41:27.600 --> 00:41:28.200
 do, she may be

00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:29.000
 thinking about abortion,

00:41:29.640 --> 00:41:31.039
 but she's willing to

00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:31.680
 have a conversation

00:41:31.680 --> 00:41:32.740
 with someone who can

00:41:32.740 --> 00:41:33.900
 help her think about

00:41:33.900 --> 00:41:34.640
 what's going on, think

00:41:34.640 --> 00:41:35.360
 about what she really

00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.180
 wants, think about

00:41:36.180 --> 00:41:38.120
 the fact that though

00:41:38.120 --> 00:41:38.780
 some people may be

00:41:38.780 --> 00:41:39.500
 telling her she must

00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:40.000
 have an abortion,

00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:41.160
 she doesn't have to.

00:41:41.640 --> 00:41:42.480
 But there's a

00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:43.300
 possibility of keeping

00:41:43.300 --> 00:41:45.680
 the baby, and the

00:41:45.680 --> 00:41:46.720
 options will support

00:41:46.720 --> 00:41:49.559
 her in any way during

00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:50.800
 that process, or

00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.940
 if keeping the

00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:53.620
 baby seems impossible

00:41:53.620 --> 00:41:54.440
 as the possibility of

00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:55.180
 blessing someone else

00:41:55.180 --> 00:41:56.000
 with a baby for

00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:56.300
 adoption.

00:41:57.360 --> 00:41:58.400
 There's a very long

00:41:58.400 --> 00:41:59.280
 waiting list for

00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:00.220
 babies between 0 and

00:42:00.220 --> 00:42:00.980
 2 in this country,

00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:03.980
 because most of

00:42:03.980 --> 00:42:04.380
 those that would

00:42:04.380 --> 00:42:05.080
 otherwise end up for

00:42:05.080 --> 00:42:06.600
 adoption are

00:42:06.600 --> 00:42:07.600
 obviously being

00:42:07.600 --> 00:42:08.220
 killed in the womb.

00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:09.560
 A good friend of

00:42:09.560 --> 00:42:09.940
 mine, he's a

00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:10.720
 pastor of the church

00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:11.400
 in Sollum, St.

00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:11.920
 Peter's Sollum,

00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:12.560
 Ruth Standering,

00:42:13.080 --> 00:42:13.640
 doesn't mind, who

00:42:13.640 --> 00:42:15.500
 knows, that he was

00:42:15.500 --> 00:42:18.980
 conceived shortly

00:42:18.980 --> 00:42:19.780
 before the abortion

00:42:19.780 --> 00:42:20.460
 act became law.

00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.700
 And he was given

00:42:21.700 --> 00:42:22.180
 up for adoption.

00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:24.120
 And if he'd been

00:42:24.120 --> 00:42:25.060
 conceived just a few

00:42:25.060 --> 00:42:26.440
 months later, he

00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:26.860
 wouldn't have been.

00:42:28.160 --> 00:42:30.500
 And so it's real

00:42:30.500 --> 00:42:30.800
 people.

00:42:34.180 --> 00:42:35.600
 Post-abortion or

00:42:35.600 --> 00:42:36.500
 post-termination

00:42:36.500 --> 00:42:37.220
 counselling.

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:38.400
 Adoptions, we do

00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:39.460
 offer that, because

00:42:39.460 --> 00:42:40.380
 women who've been

00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:41.380
 through an abortion

00:42:41.380 --> 00:42:43.480
 and are feeling one

00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:44.019
 or other of the

00:42:44.019 --> 00:42:45.300
 effects of it, and

00:42:45.300 --> 00:42:46.160
 one of our early

00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:47.760
 clients was someone

00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:48.440
 who had had an

00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:49.140
 abortion 30 years

00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:50.079
 ago, and there

00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:50.920
 wasn't a day since

00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:51.379
 when she didn't

00:42:51.379 --> 00:42:52.039
 think about it.

00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:53.440
 And she came to

00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:54.940
 us to post-abortion

00:42:54.940 --> 00:42:55.799
 counselling.

00:42:56.139 --> 00:42:56.900
 Women who've had an

00:42:56.900 --> 00:42:57.960
 abortion are among

00:42:57.960 --> 00:42:59.139
 our neighbours who

00:42:59.139 --> 00:42:59.799
 we are to love.

00:43:00.359 --> 00:43:01.219
 And we think a good

00:43:01.219 --> 00:43:02.039
 way to love them is

00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:02.539
 to offer them

00:43:02.539 --> 00:43:03.239
 counselling.

00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:04.319
 In that counselling,

00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:06.500
 the model that we

00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:07.019
 use talks about

00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:07.659
 forgiveness, and we

00:43:07.659 --> 00:43:08.379
 make explicit at the

00:43:08.379 --> 00:43:08.859
 beginning that it

00:43:08.859 --> 00:43:09.339
 will be an opportunity

00:43:09.339 --> 00:43:09.940
 if they want to, to

00:43:09.940 --> 00:43:11.299
 talk about forgiveness

00:43:11.299 --> 00:43:11.759
 by God.

00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:13.039
 There's more than

00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:14.000
 one woman in the

00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:14.819
 Wimbledon area now,

00:43:14.820 --> 00:43:16.600
 in church, a

00:43:16.600 --> 00:43:17.620
 Christian, because

00:43:17.620 --> 00:43:18.080
 they heard the

00:43:18.080 --> 00:43:19.220
 gospel in post-abortion

00:43:19.220 --> 00:43:19.580
 counselling.

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:21.840
 Miscarion counselling,

00:43:22.100 --> 00:43:22.800
 when someone's had a

00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.500
 miscarriage, there is

00:43:24.500 --> 00:43:25.280
 someone who understands

00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:26.039
 the grief that other

00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.000
 people don't have in

00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:27.920
 options if they can't

00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:28.620
 otherwise find someone.

00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:30.920
 And they can be

00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:31.440
 helped through a

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.360
 process that is in

00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:34.100
 some ways similar and

00:43:34.100 --> 00:43:34.700
 other ways different

00:43:34.700 --> 00:43:35.700
 from post-abortion

00:43:35.700 --> 00:43:36.580
 counselling.

00:43:38.140 --> 00:43:39.420
 We offer support for

00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:40.160
 single-munch-to-be,

00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:41.160
 whether it's in a

00:43:41.160 --> 00:43:43.800
 group, an expected-munch-group,

00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.000
 or whether it's giving

00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:45.920
 clothes, or whether

00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:47.120
 it's giving, we can't

00:43:47.120 --> 00:43:48.460
 do car seats, second-hand

00:43:48.460 --> 00:43:49.340
 ones, whether it's

00:43:49.340 --> 00:43:49.940
 giving clothes or

00:43:49.940 --> 00:43:50.620
 push-chairs, or

00:43:50.620 --> 00:43:51.780
 any of the huge amount

00:43:51.780 --> 00:43:52.900
 of clutter that

00:43:52.900 --> 00:43:56.160
 accumulates as people

00:43:56.160 --> 00:43:56.860
 grow out of the baby

00:43:56.860 --> 00:43:57.260
 stage.

00:43:57.680 --> 00:43:58.640
 They're only too keen

00:43:58.640 --> 00:44:00.240
 to dump it somewhere

00:44:00.240 --> 00:44:00.920
 in the church property,

00:44:01.060 --> 00:44:01.820
 so it can be waiting

00:44:01.820 --> 00:44:04.880
 for a young woman who

00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:05.360
 needs it.

00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:07.820
 Material support for

00:44:07.820 --> 00:44:09.200
 families with newborns.

00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:10.720
 When we had a

00:44:10.720 --> 00:44:12.080
 camp centre, we had

00:44:12.080 --> 00:44:13.720
 someone who learned

00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:14.399
 an awful lot about

00:44:14.399 --> 00:44:15.480
 debt and money, and

00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:15.959
 we can offer that

00:44:15.959 --> 00:44:16.679
 kind of support as

00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:17.119
 well, because the

00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:17.919
 camp centre's closed,

00:44:18.439 --> 00:44:20.079
 and that skill is still

00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:21.459
 around in the church.

00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:23.579
 We've tried, from

00:44:23.579 --> 00:44:24.339
 different times, to

00:44:24.339 --> 00:44:25.459
 try to do some

00:44:25.459 --> 00:44:26.819
 preventive work by

00:44:26.819 --> 00:44:27.539
 doing relationships

00:44:27.539 --> 00:44:28.000
 and such as

00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:28.359
 the school, and

00:44:28.359 --> 00:44:29.019
 the schools I've

00:44:29.019 --> 00:44:29.500
 had ago, the

00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:30.779
 others had, and

00:44:30.779 --> 00:44:32.199
 we just haven't ever

00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:32.899
 quite managed to get

00:44:32.899 --> 00:44:33.579
 the resources to do

00:44:33.579 --> 00:44:34.219
 it, and it just

00:44:34.219 --> 00:44:34.839
 seems that in the

00:44:34.839 --> 00:44:36.439
 Lord's hand, he's

00:44:36.439 --> 00:44:37.819
 provided resources for

00:44:37.819 --> 00:44:38.299
 us to do other

00:44:38.299 --> 00:44:39.039
 things and not for

00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:40.519
 that, and so we

00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:43.000
 haven't yet sustained

00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:43.860
 about it, but I

00:44:43.860 --> 00:44:44.219
 think it's a great

00:44:44.219 --> 00:44:44.519
 idea.

00:44:47.219 --> 00:44:48.960
 Also, but not

00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:50.579
 quite publicised on

00:44:50.579 --> 00:44:51.219
 the website, but

00:44:51.219 --> 00:44:51.900
 strongly motivating

00:44:51.900 --> 00:44:53.019
 us, we pray for our

00:44:53.019 --> 00:44:53.380
 clients.

00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:56.900
 We can pray with

00:44:56.900 --> 00:44:58.360
 our clients, with

00:44:58.360 --> 00:44:59.219
 their permission, if

00:44:59.219 --> 00:44:59.820
 they want it.

00:45:00.500 --> 00:45:01.500
 It's never forced on

00:45:01.500 --> 00:45:02.840
 them, but the offer

00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:04.219
 is rightly made in

00:45:04.219 --> 00:45:06.460
 some conversations, and

00:45:06.460 --> 00:45:06.960
 we can share the

00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:08.340
 gospel, and that's

00:45:08.340 --> 00:45:08.599
 happened.

00:45:08.840 --> 00:45:09.280
 And there are one or

00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:10.039
 two counsellors who,

00:45:10.380 --> 00:45:10.920
 you know, for all

00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:11.559
 their Christian life,

00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:13.019
 they have felt like

00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:13.539
 they're rubbish

00:45:13.539 --> 00:45:14.119
 evangelists.

00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:14.860
 They're never quite

00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:16.659
 good at taking

00:45:16.659 --> 00:45:17.679
 opportunities, and

00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:18.659
 they just love this

00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:20.059
 work, because they

00:45:20.059 --> 00:45:20.860
 just see opportunities

00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:21.599
 all over the place,

00:45:21.980 --> 00:45:22.820
 and they feel that

00:45:22.820 --> 00:45:23.340
 God has put them

00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:25.239
 there to open up a

00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:25.799
 conversation, which

00:45:25.799 --> 00:45:26.320
 is very natural.

00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:28.400
 And so there are

00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.420
 people in options who

00:45:30.420 --> 00:45:31.480
 have been given the

00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:33.159
 ability that they need

00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:33.920
 to share the gospel

00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:34.699
 with people in this

00:45:34.699 --> 00:45:34.940
 thing.

00:45:35.299 --> 00:45:35.739
 And it's not

00:45:35.739 --> 00:45:36.940
 surprising, because we

00:45:36.940 --> 00:45:37.840
 think God loves these

00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:39.119
 people, and if he

00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:40.179
 loves them, the thing

00:45:40.179 --> 00:45:40.880
 he wants to do is give

00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:41.539
 them eternal life.

00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:42.920
 And so it's not

00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:43.559
 surprising that he

00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:44.119
 makes that happen.

00:45:45.200 --> 00:45:46.200
 And it would be

00:45:46.200 --> 00:45:47.480
 remiss of me to say

00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:48.599
 anything other than

00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:49.099
 that options have

00:45:49.099 --> 00:45:49.559
 been the work of

00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:50.480
 God's provision, and

00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:51.079
 that if it's to

00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:52.160
 happen anywhere else,

00:45:52.200 --> 00:45:52.920
 it's to happen here

00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:53.980
 in Ealing, that

00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:54.340
 means God's

00:45:54.340 --> 00:45:54.980
 provision as well.

00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:55.760
 And I mean, there's

00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:56.260
 a huge amount of

00:45:56.260 --> 00:45:57.400
 things he's done, but

00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:58.740
 some of them, I

00:45:58.740 --> 00:45:59.440
 mean, our most

00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:00.380
 precious resource by

00:46:00.380 --> 00:46:01.180
 far is a constant

00:46:01.180 --> 00:46:02.059
 stream of amazing

00:46:02.059 --> 00:46:03.760
 volunteers, and who

00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:05.059
 give, I can't

00:46:05.059 --> 00:46:05.599
 remember how many

00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:06.360
 hours it is now, but

00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:07.660
 certainly the first

00:46:07.660 --> 00:46:08.360
 volunteers to train

00:46:08.360 --> 00:46:08.800
 in course, it was

00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:10.140
 56 hours to train,

00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:11.980
 just in crisis

00:46:11.980 --> 00:46:12.720
 pregnancy counselling,

00:46:12.820 --> 00:46:13.500
 and another whole

00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:14.160
 chunk of hours to

00:46:14.160 --> 00:46:14.840
 train in post-abortion

00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:15.420
 counselling, and they

00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:15.840
 would do it on

00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:16.620
 Saturdays, they'd do

00:46:16.620 --> 00:46:17.200
 it in the evenings,

00:46:17.300 --> 00:46:18.480
 they gave their time

00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.620
 for free, out of love

00:46:20.620 --> 00:46:21.720
 for these women in

00:46:21.720 --> 00:46:22.059
 the wrong one

00:46:22.059 --> 00:46:22.300
 building.

00:46:25.019 --> 00:46:26.640
 I'm so impressed

00:46:26.640 --> 00:46:28.599
 with both women and

00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:31.599
 one man, and he

00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:32.280
 only sees men by the

00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.320
 way, and so grateful

00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:34.840
 to God for them.

00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:36.700
 We've had the centre

00:46:36.700 --> 00:46:37.500
 directors that we've

00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:38.700
 needed, and our

00:46:38.700 --> 00:46:39.300
 first one was a

00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:40.320
 volunteer, and then

00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:41.059
 wonderfully we became

00:46:41.059 --> 00:46:42.019
 going to employ one,

00:46:42.460 --> 00:46:43.740
 and we've got one now,

00:46:43.780 --> 00:46:44.340
 she's called Nikki,

00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:45.519
 and she's great.

00:46:46.200 --> 00:46:47.079
 We've had a lot of

00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:48.180
 help of cash and

00:46:48.180 --> 00:46:49.400
 space from Don

00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:50.960
 Donald, which is the

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:51.660
 church that it

00:46:51.660 --> 00:46:52.700
 started from, which

00:46:52.700 --> 00:46:53.480
 is part of a network

00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:54.460
 of churches, because

00:46:54.460 --> 00:46:56.420
 for a crisis

00:46:56.420 --> 00:46:57.320
 pregnancy centre to

00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:58.260
 run in a sustainable

00:46:58.260 --> 00:46:59.260
 way, it's incredibly

00:46:59.260 --> 00:47:00.240
 helpful to have a

00:47:00.240 --> 00:47:01.120
 wider network

00:47:01.120 --> 00:47:02.340
 contributing prayer

00:47:02.340 --> 00:47:03.140
 and money and

00:47:03.140 --> 00:47:04.620
 people, because

00:47:04.619 --> 00:47:05.779
 the kind of very

00:47:05.779 --> 00:47:06.719
 special people that

00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:08.059
 you need to keep

00:47:08.059 --> 00:47:10.319
 the volunteer body

00:47:10.319 --> 00:47:12.739
 up, are not so

00:47:12.739 --> 00:47:13.359
 thick on the ground

00:47:13.359 --> 00:47:14.519
 you'll find enough

00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:15.460
 of them in a church

00:47:15.460 --> 00:47:15.920
 of 50.

00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:17.119
 Don't know there's a

00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:17.699
 bigger church than

00:47:17.699 --> 00:47:19.099
 that, but even in a

00:47:19.099 --> 00:47:20.639
 church of 500, it's

00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:22.159
 been good to be able

00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:23.380
 to include volunteers

00:47:23.380 --> 00:47:24.059
 from other churches.

00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:26.920
 And now, we're

00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:27.500
 operating another

00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:28.440
 local GP practice,

00:47:28.799 --> 00:47:29.460
 because we're one or

00:47:29.460 --> 00:47:30.139
 two Christian partners,

00:47:30.259 --> 00:47:30.819
 they're really glad

00:47:30.819 --> 00:47:31.359
 of what we do.

00:47:31.659 --> 00:47:33.099
 Many GPs who aren't

00:47:33.099 --> 00:47:33.900
 Christian are very

00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.579
 glad to have someone

00:47:34.579 --> 00:47:35.239
 to send people so

00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:35.579
 they can have a

00:47:35.579 --> 00:47:36.420
 proper conversation

00:47:36.420 --> 00:47:37.679
 about abortion rather

00:47:37.679 --> 00:47:38.239
 than the ten minutes

00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:38.759
 that's all they've

00:47:38.759 --> 00:47:39.279
 got before they

00:47:39.279 --> 00:47:39.920
 need to sign a form.

00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:41.000
 And there's a very

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.219
 happy relationship

00:47:42.219 --> 00:47:42.599
 there.

00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:43.659
 It's dependent on

00:47:43.659 --> 00:47:44.500
 local circumstances,

00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:45.380
 but it's been a

00:47:45.380 --> 00:47:46.119
 great joy to us that

00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:47.440
 the London church is

00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:48.500
 now being demolished

00:47:48.500 --> 00:47:48.980
 in order to make

00:47:48.980 --> 00:47:49.460
 way for a new

00:47:49.460 --> 00:47:49.759
 building.

00:47:50.159 --> 00:47:50.539
 We've got a

00:47:50.539 --> 00:47:51.199
 wonderful home that

00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:51.840
 feels a much more

00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:52.619
 normal place to be

00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:53.119
 having discussions

00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:53.799
 about these things

00:47:53.799 --> 00:47:54.579
 down the church

00:47:54.579 --> 00:47:55.699
 building, and that's

00:47:55.699 --> 00:47:56.400
 been a great aspect.

00:47:57.019 --> 00:47:58.239
 And in Stratham,

00:47:58.360 --> 00:47:58.819
 up the road from

00:47:58.819 --> 00:47:59.500
 one of them, there's a

00:47:59.500 --> 00:48:00.139
 new satellite centre

00:48:00.139 --> 00:48:00.759
 being drawn together

00:48:00.759 --> 00:48:01.279
 now, where there's a

00:48:01.279 --> 00:48:01.679
 new team of

00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:02.659
 volunteers and a

00:48:02.659 --> 00:48:03.460
 director being trained

00:48:04.579 --> 00:48:05.059
 in the world.

00:48:05.059 --> 00:48:07.440
 And so, having been

00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:08.319
 led to care about

00:48:08.319 --> 00:48:09.400
 this issue, and to

00:48:09.400 --> 00:48:10.299
 pray about this issue,

00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.079
 however many years

00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:15.099
 ago it was, the Lord

00:48:15.099 --> 00:48:17.819
 led us to start, and

00:48:17.819 --> 00:48:18.460
 has been sustaining

00:48:18.460 --> 00:48:19.699
 us ever since.

00:48:20.420 --> 00:48:22.299
 And so, let me just

00:48:22.299 --> 00:48:23.699
 finish my presentation,

00:48:23.819 --> 00:48:24.219
 I hope we'll get

00:48:24.219 --> 00:48:26.340
 some Q&A, but finish

00:48:26.340 --> 00:48:27.480
 my presentation by

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:29.699
 thanking God for what

00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:31.059
 he's done in enabling

00:48:31.059 --> 00:48:32.039
 our response to

00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:32.659
 the ministry that I

00:48:32.659 --> 00:48:33.500
 think he cares about

00:48:33.500 --> 00:48:35.000
 more than we need

00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:35.340
 to realize.

00:48:35.340 --> 00:48:35.619
 Thank you.

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