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 Let's take your copy of God's Word.

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 Turn to the Gospel according to Mark, chapter 10.

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 For those of you who haven't seen us all summer, yes, we are still continuing our verse-by-verse

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! exposition of the Gospel according to Mark, and we have made it to chapter 10. We have seen

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 the conclusion of Jesus' Galilean ministry and His public ministry at large, and He's

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 begun to travel kind of halfway through chapter 8 with the disciples towards Jerusalem, and

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 His attention has turned towards them. There's lots of Pericopes here that are specifically

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 poignant and challenging to those of us who claim to be in Christ. And last week we came

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 to Mark 10, verses 13 through 16. Let's pray together first, and then I'll read that to

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 you. Father God, I have no good that is mine apart from you. In the preaching of your Word,

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 there is no wisdom that's been given to me that wasn't given to me by you. There's no degree

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 of slickness of presentation that could possibly change anyone's heart apart from your work in their

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 lives. And so I plead with you today. Help me. Empower me to speak with clarity and with conviction.

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 And help, Father, all of us to believe and to follow Christ as we should. And it's in His name I pray.

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 Amen. So Mark chapter 10, beginning in verse 13. And they were bringing children to Him that He might

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 touch them. And the disciples rebuked them. But when Jesus saw it, He was indignant and said to them,

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 Let the children come to Me. Do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly I say to

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 you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it. And He took them in His arms

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 and blessed them, laying His hands on them. And last week we spent some time talking about what it is

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 that this text does mean. And we see that we are meant to have a childlike faith. And we came to

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 understand together that this is not an ignorant faith, but that this is a faith that recognizes we

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 have nothing to offer the kingdom of God. That we have nothing to add to the equation of our salvation

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 because we are like children. But we also talked about some things that this text does not mean.

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 And we did this because I ran across in a commentary that I've been using in my study

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 of the Gospel of Mark by J.C. Ryle, who was a 19th century Anglican bishop. He wrote this,

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 Of course, it is not pretended that there is any mention of baptism or even any reference to it in the

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 verses before us. All we mean to say is that the expressions and gestures of our Lord in this passage

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 are a strong indirect argument in favor of infant baptism. It is on this account that the passage

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 occupies a prominent place in the baptismal service of the Church of England. This fascinated me

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 as John MacArthur would say, this is a dry passage. There's no mention of baptism in it anywhere. And

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 yet it is used by Anglicans as a central text for the baptism of infants. And so in brief last week,

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 I made the point to you that this text does not mean that there's some sort of special salvific category

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 for children, although I would make a case there is from other biblical texts, but not this one. Or that

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 this text is a case for infant baptism. And I promise you that we would look at that at greater length

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 today. So we're starting kind of as a jumping off point, Mark chapter 10, but we're going to look at some

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 selected texts today. Now, as I don't typically do, we're going to be dealing thematically. I want to encourage you to

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 try to turn and try to keep up with me, but I'm afraid I have a lot of info to cover.

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 My normal 45-minute sermon is about four and a half pages. This is seven, so I'm going to move and try to get us

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 through, because I know you guys are already all hungry.

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 There are a number of categories of what people believe about baptism, and there are some various

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 erroneous views that we won't even address in any degree today. But the two more common categories that we

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 would find people that we would fellowship with that believe are paedo-baptists and credo-baptists.

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 Now, paedo-baptism or paedo-baptists is derived from the Greek paes simply means child. It's a simple term,

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 sounds really fancy. Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians, more erroneous

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 views like the Catholic Church are paedo-baptists. We are, our church, I can't speak for every individual

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 here, we are, I am, what's called a credo-baptist, which is from Latin, credo, I believe.

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 Now, for the sake of simplicity for this sermon, I'm going to use the terms paedo-baptist and

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 Presbyterian interchangeably, and let me tell you why. I'm going to paint with some extremely broad

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 brushstrokes over the coming 45 minutes or so, but we find ourselves most theologically aligned

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 with the Presbyterian Church, and specifically the branch of the Presbyterian Church known as the

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 Presbyterian Church of America, the PCA Church. I am thankful for our PCA brethren. I want you to hear me

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 very carefully. Please let this flavor everything else I say today. I am thankful for them. In fact, I discovered

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 that every commentary I'm using for Mark right now was written by a Presbyterian. Isn't that fascinating?

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 They have offered so much to the Kingdom of God. We have a PCA church in our town, which I love,

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 and I am thankful for. I consider the pastor a friend, although we have had trouble finding time

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 to get together and to know each other at a deeper level. We'll continue to work on that. I am thankful

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 for their partnership in the Gospel in this community. Glad that they are here.

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 However, we need to know why we believe what we believe. Not simply because it's another flavor,

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 it's another idea concerning baptism, but because we have conviction about it. Some would have us just

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 amiably disagree and fellowship with one another. I read a sermon this week from a pastor who was

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 celebrating that he had both Credo Baptist and Paedo Baptist in his congregation. To say that this is a

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 secondary issue, which I agree, it's not central to the Gospel. Baptism is not necessary for salvation,

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 but it is an important doctrine. Baptism is not only given as an individual commandment to you and to me,

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 but it is granted to the church, to the local church, as an ordinance. An ordinance or a sacrament. We tend to not,

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 in Protestant churches, use the term sacrament because Catholics believe that the sacraments

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 actually administer grace. They go in your good person list. We don't believe this is the case. So we tend to use

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 the term ordinance. That is, it was ordained by Christ. An ordinance is a Christian right with particular

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 significance. There's two of them. In the case of baptism, it's the Christian right that grants

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 admittance to the covenant community. Paedo and Credo Baptists agree on this. The Lord's Supper is the

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 other, which renews our commitment to the covenant community. It's part of the reason we do it every

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 Sunday here in our congregational meeting. Convictions ought to be held. I recently overheard a PCA pastor,

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 one that none of you would know, say, well, we're pretty much a Baptist church.

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 And it wasn't my place in the conversation to scream, no, you're not. You're not, right? In fact,

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 what you believe about baptism stands in antithesis to what Baptists believe about baptism.

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 Now, I, with you, wish there was no denominationalism. What a wonderful world that would be, where we all

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 could agree on all things in the scriptures. But what I will say as a benefit, as a value of

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 denominations, is that it means that we believe things, that we have convictions, that we stand firm

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 in, and that collectively, as a local congregation, we hold those things together. It matters what we

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 believe about baptism. I don't think it's okay that it's a non-issue in our churches. I do believe

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 we should hold the same convictions, and I'll show you why in the coming moments. Now,

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 paedo-baptists do not contest that a believer ought to be baptized if that person makes a profession of

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 faith, and they have never been baptized. If you were not baptized as an infant, and you make a

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 profession of faith, you should be baptized, right? Our point of contention is whether or not an infant

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 should ever be baptized, right? So, paedo-baptists believe in believer's baptism, which is why I think

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 it's important that we clarify that we're credo-baptists. We believe in believer's baptism alone, and not

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 infant baptism in any case. We don't have to look long or make a very long, challenging argument for

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 baptism of a believer. We see baptism as expression in the scriptures of repentance and faith. We see

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 this in Acts chapter 2, verse 37 through 38 and 41. Now, when they heard this, they were cut to the

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 heart. This is the conclusion of Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost, and said to Peter and the rest

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 of the apostles, brothers, what shall we do? And Peter said to them, repent and be baptized, every one of you,

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 in the name of Jesus Christ, for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the

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 Holy Spirit. Repent and be baptized, and it's expression of our repentance. And then verse 41,

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 so those who received this word, received the word, were baptized, and there were out of that day about

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 3,000 souls. We will address verse 39 in a moment. Colossians 2, 11-12, Paul also expresses

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 baptism as a response of repentance and faith. Verse 11, chapter 2, Colossians,

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 in him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands by putting off the body of flesh

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 by the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised

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 with him through faith in the powerful working of God who raised him from the dead. So we have,

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 those of us who have believed in Christ in the symbol of baptism, we've been buried with him,

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 and we've been raised with him, past tense, through what? Our faith. It's an expression of a thing that

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 has occurred. Our faith. It's commanded to us to baptize in the name of the Father and the Son and the

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 Holy Spirit in the Great Commission, Matthew 28, 19 and 20. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations.

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 See people come to repentance and faith and baptize them.

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 We don't have to look hard to make this argument, and no one, no one disagrees on this point.

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 To my knowledge, it has never been debated in the history of the church.

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 I looked long and hard this past week for the history of infant baptism, and there is a lot of

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 disagreement about it. Some say that it existed from the first century. Some say not until the third,

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 which is the place that I'm arriving at. It would seem that it came about as part of state control of

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 religion. It was a way to include all of the citizenship in the church so that they could be

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 ruled over, but it's difficult. Boy, is it difficult. There's no lack of writing on the topic. I have read

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 and read and read this week trying to to get all the education I could possibly gather on, and I have to

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 tell you, I still feel a bit ignorant on the history of it all. Create some challenges for us. We want to

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 look at the church past and understand how we should operate now. Like we want to stand on the shoulders

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 of giants, and we have giants to stand upon their shoulders. Men that have contributed so much to our

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 faith. This is a case, it would seem though, that we need to just look at the scriptures, because there is

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 so much disagreement on the matter. Let me read to you from the Westminster Confession, 1646.

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 Chapter 28 of Baptism. Now hear me, this is what the Presbyterian Church holds to in this day. This is

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 their confession of faith. Section 1. Baptism is a sacrament, or ordinance, of the New Testament,

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 ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible

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 church. So it grants admission to the visible church, but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the

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 covenant of grace, or his engrafting into Christ, right? It's a picture, it's a symbol of what has

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 happened. A sign, a seal of covenant grace, and engrafting into Christ of regeneration, the changing

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 of our hearts, of remission of sins, and of his giving up unto God through Jesus Christ to walk in newness

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 of life. Okay? We all agree upon this. Boy, I read that and I say, that is beautiful. However, the Westminster

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 Confession, chapter 28, section 4, says not only those that do actually profess faith in and obedience

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 unto Christ, but also the infants of one or both believing parents are to be baptized.

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 Now, I'm aware of all the arguments. If you sit in this room as a paedo-baptist, I'm completely aware

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 of them, but when you read the Westminster Confection, it is contradictory. Not only in tone, but in reality,

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 it is contradictory. Right? What did they just say baptism was about? Not only for the solemn admission

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 of the party baptized into the visible church, right? But also as a sign and seal of covenant grace,

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 and engrafting into Christ, regeneration, remission of sins, giving up unto God through Jesus Christ to

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 walk in a newness of life. All of this is present moving forward. Not a future hope. The language

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 doesn't say that at all. And so we find ourselves in a place of confusion. And there are three ways,

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 I think, that the doctrine of infant baptism confuses the church. Isn't it interesting that as we've come

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 to chapter 10, we have dealt now with the three stories so far with issues that are really contentious

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 in the church that have been challenged in so many ways. A couple of weeks ago, we talked about divorce

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 and remarriage and all of the views. And we started a process that our church is going to need to go to

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 resolve what we believe about divorce and remarriage. We've come to this text, which on the surface doesn't

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 seem to have anything to do with anything that would cause any contention whatsoever. However, it's been

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 misused, I believe. And next week we get to talk about money, wealth, what's become of that in the church.

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 We need clarity in our day. This has never been untrue. We need the Bible to communicate to us how it is

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 we're to live our lives in every respect. I find this issue particularly frustrating because I love you guys.

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 Again, broad strokes. I'm not upset at any one individual. I think that people who hold the doctrine of infant baptism

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 do so with a clear conscience, with good motivation. But I just think they're wrong. I think they're confusing

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 the church of God. I think that the reformers didn't go far enough. They took giant steps. We owe them so much,

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 but they didn't press on into the truth. And that's what I want for us. And that's what I want for you as an

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 individual. To submit yourself in every way to the Word of God. Three ways it confuses us. Infant baptism

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 confuses our belief in the sufficiency of Scripture. It confuses our belief in the sufficiency of Scripture.

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 I believe that the Scripture is a perfect guide to holiness. Psalm 19, 7-13. Listen carefully.

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 Let them not have dominion over me. Then I shall be blameless and innocent.

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 God's law is perfect to deliver us to this point that we might be blameless if we could keep it.

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 Right? We're given that blamelessness in Christ. But the Word of God is sufficient for this. We don't need to appeal

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 to history. We don't need to appeal to tradition. All we need is the Word of God.

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 This is why I've been saying to you all summer long after reading our text, this is God's Word to us.

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 Written for His glory and for our good. Right? Our good. Our eternal good.

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 We would all do well to listen to it in order to believe its promises and obey its commands.

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 Presbyterians find many of their roots in the Reformation, as do we as a Protestant denomination.

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 Men that threw off the false teaching of the Catholic Church waved a banner called Sola Scriptura.

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 By Scripture alone. We will not allow the history or the traditions of the Catholic Church to define for us what it is we should believe.

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 You remember Martin Luther, the great Reformer, nailed his 95 feces on the door, 95 reasons that indulgences were not biblical.

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 And he was summoned to the Diet of Worms in 1521.

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 And he said this,

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 The Reformation, the Reformers, had a principle they called the regulative principle of worship.

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 As defined by John Calvin as follows,

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 God disapproves of all modes of worship not expressly sanctioned by His Word.

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 Not fascinating.

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 Now they would say expressly sanctioned would be that it's given as a command or example,

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 or that it could be deduced by good and necessary consequence,

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 which was a way of the time simply to say plain reason or plain logic.

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 This is all I want.

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 Show me in the Scriptures.

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 Show me where the Scriptures say it and use plain reason.

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 Don't get fancy on me.

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 Just show me with plain reason and the Scriptures that something is true,

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 and I'll believe it to be true.

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 A good example of something arrived at that's not expressly taught,

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 but that it has arrived at by plain reason or logic,

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 is the doctrine of the Trinity.

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 The term Trinity is nowhere used in the Scriptures.

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 However, the Bible speaks of the Father as God in Philippians 1-2,

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 Jesus as God in Titus 2-13,

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 and the Holy Spirit as God in Acts 5-3-4.

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 So by plain reason, we can arrive at God being three in one.

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 I don't believe this is the case for impton baptism.

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 Infant baptism is nowhere taught in the Scriptures.

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 Pato Baptists agree that it's nowhere expressly taught.

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 They would just say that it can be inferred by plain reason.

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 One of their primary defenses is that while it's not found anywhere expressly in the Scriptures,

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 that it's also not anywhere expressly prohibited in the Scriptures,

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 which I find fascinating.

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 Again and again and again you'll read this type of reasoning.

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 The Bible nowhere prohibits us from physically abusing our children, does it?

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 Yet we know with plain reason, right?

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 This way of treating our children is contradictory to the way in which we are guided to treat our children.

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 The Bible nowhere expressly prohibits heroin use.

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 However, we know that we're to honor and worship God with our bodies,

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 not destroy them.

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 These are plain reason.

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 These are things that we can arrive at simply and easily.

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 Infant baptism is not that way.

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 And the argument of household baptisms is often made by paedo-baptists.

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 Right?

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 Places like Acts 16, 14-15,

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 we see a woman named Lydia and her household is baptized.

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 Acts 16, 30-34,

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 and if you'd like to turn with me to this one, you can.

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 Paul and Silas are in a Philippian prison.

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 They're praying and singing hymns.

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 You remember there's an earthquake and all the doors open up.

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 And the Philippian jailer,

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 the man that was in charge,

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 feared for his life because he thought they had escaped.

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 He was actually about to kill himself.

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 In verse 30 of chapter 16,

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 they told him,

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 don't kill yourself, we're here.

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 It says,

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 It doesn't say anything about infants.

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 In the text at all, does it?

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 In fact,

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 likely, a Philippian jailer who was in charge would have been a much older man.

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 It probably wouldn't have had infants in the house anyway,

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 but it doesn't say.

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 It says nothing at all.

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 It's an argument from silence.

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 Are we to presume then that there's a doctrine we should practice in our churches

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 because maybe?

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 I could just as easily teach to you that there were teenagers in this house,

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 as anyone else can make the case that there were infants in the house.

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 1 Corinthians 1.16,

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 Paul here mentions baptizing the household of Stephanas.

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 Again, no mention of infants,

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 those who were unable to profess faith in Christ being baptized.

00:25:37.579 --> 00:25:42.179
 Now, I mentioned that we were going to look at Acts chapter 2, verse 39,

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 that I would come back to it.

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 Now, remember verse 37 and 38.

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 Now, when they heard this,

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 they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles,

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 Brothers, what shall we do?

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 And Peter said to them,

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 Repent and be baptized,

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 every one of you,

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 in the name of Jesus Christ,

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 for the forgiveness of your sins,

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 and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

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 Verse 39.

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 For the promise is for you and for your children and for all who are far off,

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 everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.

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 Verse 40.

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 And with many other words,

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 he bore witness and continued to exhort them,

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 saying,

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 Save yourselves from this crooked generation.

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 So those who received his word were baptized,

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 and they were added to that day 3,000 souls.

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 So you see in a sandwich,

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 and I intentionally presented it to you in that way,

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 verse 37,

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 verse 38,

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 response of faith.

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 Verse 31,

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 response of faith.

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 And then we see verse 39,

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 speaking of a promise for you and your children.

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 But don't miss that it's also for all who are far off,

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 everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.

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 Peter is broadening the scope of the gospel.

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 The gospel is now available to all people who respond in faith.

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 Not just you who are here on the day of Pentecost,

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 but you can go back to your house,

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 and you can preach the gospel to your kids.

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 And they can receive it.

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 And you can go far off and preach the gospel,

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 and they can receive it.

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 If our logic stays consistent with the Pato-Baptists,

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 the promise being for you and for your children,

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 but wait,

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 and all who are far off,

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 it would seem that when I become a Christian,

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 my kids are automatically granted that as well,

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 and everyone else,

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 as long as I can call them far off.

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 So you guys should run as far from me as you possibly can.

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 It doesn't hold water.

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 Pun intended.

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 Turn to 1 Corinthians chapter 7.

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 There's a new issue in the church now.

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 What happens if a believer is married to an unbeliever?

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 This is now suddenly a new issue.

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 Not people who are of the same lineage,

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 not an Israelite married to an Israelite,

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 but what happens now that there's a status change in a marriage?

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 And Paul addresses that.

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 Chapter 7, beginning in verse 12.

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 To the rest I say, I, not the Lord,

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 that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever,

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 and she consents to live with him,

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 he should not divorce her.

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 Stay together.

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 If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever,

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 and he consents to live with her,

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 she should not divorce him.

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 For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife,

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 and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband.

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 Otherwise, your children would be unclean,

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 but as it is, they are holy.

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 It's interesting language, right?

00:28:37.980 --> 00:28:38.440
 Verse 15.

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 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so.

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 In such cases, the brother or sister is not enslaved.

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 God has called you to peace.

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 For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband?

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 Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

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 Now, firstly, the point of the text is speaking of unbelieving spouses, right?

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 You see that.

00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.720
 It wraps back around to that with this interesting little interjection

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 that the children are made holy.

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 Verse 16 says,

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 Remain with them.

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 If they're willing to remain with you, remain with them.

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 Because verse 16 says,

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 How do you know?

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 Maybe in your living out the gospel

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 and your presentation of the gospel to your spouse,

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 they may become saved.

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 What a glorious thing that would be

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 if both of you would be regenerate

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 and your marriage could better reflect the glory of God.

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 So if they're willing, stay with them.

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 That's the point of the text.

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 This is what he's trying to communicate to us.

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 So what does he mean for the unbelieving husband is made holy?

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 Another way of translating that word is made sanctified or set apart.

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 And all Paul's communicating here

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 is that the blessings of the gospel are made available to these people.

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 If they're willing as an unbeliever to stay in your house,

00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:54.720
 just as your children are going to stay in your house,

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 let them stay.

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 It's good for them to be in the presence of someone who is redeemed.

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 They are in a sense then set apart,

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 given the blessings of God through your faith.

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 This is all Paul is communicating to us here.

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 Now the Pato-Baptist argument draws a lot,

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 and I think rightly this is the best possible case for it,

00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:23.460
 through the covenants,

00:30:23.539 --> 00:30:26.480
 through the covenant of grace specifically.

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 Now Presbyterians are what we would call

00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:32.859
 covenant theologians or covenantalists.

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 They're on one end of a spectrum

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 of how it is that we understand

00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.720
 the ages and the covenants of God.

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 I find that covenant theology

00:30:45.839 --> 00:30:48.140
 is over-reductionary.

00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.480
 It's almost too simple.

00:30:51.279 --> 00:30:52.700
 And it is that it looks that there are two

00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:54.620
 overarching covenants in the scriptures.

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 There's a covenant of works

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 which was given to Adam and Eve pre-fall.

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 They broke that.

00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:01.259
 They broke the fellowship as a result.

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 And ever since then,

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:03.720
 everyone else who has lived

00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.900
 has lived under the covenant of grace.

00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:07.440
 Whether or not they responded to it

00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:08.420
 and were the people of God,

00:31:08.660 --> 00:31:10.259
 they live underneath it.

00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:13.799
 And in an over-simplification,

00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.579
 that means that every promise

00:31:16.579 --> 00:31:19.059
 given to the Israelites of the Old Testament

00:31:19.059 --> 00:31:21.319
 is a promise that directly correlates

00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.059
 to the church in our day.

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.220
 I just don't think it's that easy.

00:31:26.740 --> 00:31:28.579
 The other end of that are dispensationalists,

00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:30.079
 the whole left-behind crowd,

00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:30.819
 if you're familiar with that.

00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:32.400
 I'm also not on that end of the spectrum.

00:31:32.500 --> 00:31:33.720
 I'm somewhere in between.

00:31:33.859 --> 00:31:35.940
 It's very difficult to sort it all out

00:31:35.940 --> 00:31:36.559
 and to figure out

00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:38.079
 where does God make a promise

00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:40.339
 to the Old Testament people of God

00:31:40.339 --> 00:31:41.099
 that carries forward

00:31:41.099 --> 00:31:42.899
 to the New Testament people of God?

00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.759
 How do these things find their mark?

00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:47.500
 There's not possibly enough time

00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:49.759
 to work out all the intricacies of that.

00:31:50.699 --> 00:31:51.819
 There wasn't enough time in this week

00:31:51.819 --> 00:31:53.439
 to work out all the intricacies of that

00:31:53.439 --> 00:31:55.679
 and the way God's covenants manifest

00:31:55.679 --> 00:31:56.980
 in the New Testament

00:31:56.980 --> 00:31:59.199
 versus the Old Testament.

00:31:59.419 --> 00:32:02.399
 But this is the draw that they make,

00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:03.740
 the connection that they make,

00:32:03.740 --> 00:32:07.140
 that the Old Testament Abrahamic covenant

00:32:07.140 --> 00:32:08.660
 found in Genesis chapter 12

00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:10.599
 and the mark of it,

00:32:10.819 --> 00:32:13.380
 which was circumcision to the males,

00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.359
 which was just for infants eventually,

00:32:16.539 --> 00:32:18.339
 once all the men had been circumcised,

00:32:18.859 --> 00:32:20.099
 new men were circumcised,

00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.019
 is found in Genesis chapter 17.

00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.420
 So there's a mark given to the people of God,

00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.880
 specifically men of the people of God,

00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.160
 and that now baptism is the direct correlation

00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:34.920
 of that in our day.

00:32:36.700 --> 00:32:38.400
 Now rightly, right, again,

00:32:38.540 --> 00:32:39.640
 respect these men,

00:32:40.060 --> 00:32:42.040
 valuable biblical theologians.

00:32:42.980 --> 00:32:44.500
 Rightly, Romans chapter 9,

00:32:44.780 --> 00:32:46.280
 second half of 6 through 8,

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:48.660
 for not all who are descended from Israel

00:32:48.660 --> 00:32:49.620
 belong to Israel,

00:32:50.280 --> 00:32:52.620
 and not all are children of Abraham

00:32:52.620 --> 00:32:53.880
 because they are his offspring,

00:32:54.120 --> 00:32:56.900
 but through Isaac shall your offspring be named.

00:32:57.700 --> 00:32:58.960
 This means that it is not

00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.079
 the children of the flesh

00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:00.960
 who are the children of God,

00:33:01.019 --> 00:33:02.539
 but the children of the promise

00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:05.220
 are counted as offspring.

00:33:05.980 --> 00:33:07.620
 We see this to be true in the Scriptures,

00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:10.100
 that we are children of Abraham.

00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:11.500
 We can sing that ridiculous song,

00:33:11.600 --> 00:33:12.160
 Father Abraham,

00:33:12.360 --> 00:33:13.319
 and turn in circles

00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:14.220
 and kick our legs around

00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:16.660
 because we are children of Abraham

00:33:16.660 --> 00:33:18.860
 because of the spiritual blessings

00:33:18.860 --> 00:33:20.440
 that have been brought to us.

00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.039
 But the covenants have changed, right?

00:33:23.120 --> 00:33:24.400
 There was a physical birth,

00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:26.759
 a physical birthright granted,

00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:30.460
 but now it's a spiritual birthright

00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:31.119
 that we have.

00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:32.259
 I believe that some of the promises

00:33:32.259 --> 00:33:33.779
 of God still apply to the nation,

00:33:33.859 --> 00:33:36.059
 the actual bloodline of Israel

00:33:36.059 --> 00:33:37.019
 in this day,

00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.599
 but not all of them do.

00:33:40.819 --> 00:33:41.839
 Romans chapter 2,

00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:43.660
 verse 28 and 29,

00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:44.220
 Paul writes,

00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:45.440
 For no one is a Jew

00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:46.940
 who is merely one outwardly,

00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:49.420
 nor is circumcision outward and physical,

00:33:49.900 --> 00:33:51.299
 but a Jew is one inwardly,

00:33:51.380 --> 00:33:53.500
 and circumcision is a matter of the heart

00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:54.360
 by the Spirit,

00:33:54.920 --> 00:33:55.819
 not by the letter.

00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.779
 His praise is not from man,

00:33:57.860 --> 00:33:58.960
 what man can do,

00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:00.140
 what man can accomplish,

00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.420
 but from God,

00:34:02.460 --> 00:34:05.299
 because God has circumcised our hearts,

00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:08.079
 made us clean in that way.

00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:11.460
 In Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology,

00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:12.500
 which I would commend to you,

00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:13.519
 he writes,

00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:14.920
 We should not be surprised

00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:16.259
 that there was a change

00:34:16.259 --> 00:34:17.579
 from the way the covenant community

00:34:17.579 --> 00:34:19.199
 was entered in the Old Testament

00:34:19.199 --> 00:34:20.440
 through physical birth

00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.079
 to the way the churches entered

00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:22.980
 in the New Testament,

00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:24.380
 which is spiritual birth.

00:34:25.179 --> 00:34:26.880
 There are many analogous changes

00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.219
 between the Old and New Covenants

00:34:28.219 --> 00:34:29.659
 in other areas as well.

00:34:29.860 --> 00:34:30.500
 There's a few for you.

00:34:31.059 --> 00:34:32.539
 While the Israelites fed on

00:34:32.539 --> 00:34:33.719
 physical manna in the wilderness,

00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:34.599
 New Testament believers

00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:35.840
 feed on Jesus Christ,

00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:37.539
 the true bread that comes down

00:34:37.539 --> 00:34:38.059
 from heaven,

00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:39.139
 John chapter 6.

00:34:39.699 --> 00:34:41.300
 The Israelites drank physical water

00:34:41.300 --> 00:34:42.239
 that gushed from the rock

00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:42.800
 in the wilderness,

00:34:42.980 --> 00:34:44.179
 but those who believe in Christ

00:34:44.179 --> 00:34:45.460
 drink of the living water

00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:47.000
 of eternal life that he gives,

00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:47.800
 John chapter 4.

00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:50.400
 The Old Covenant had a physical temple

00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:51.739
 to which Israel came for worship,

00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:52.880
 but in the New Covenant,

00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:54.019
 believers are built

00:34:54.019 --> 00:34:55.599
 into a spiritual temple,

00:34:56.059 --> 00:34:56.480
 1 Peter.

00:34:57.219 --> 00:34:58.199
 Old Covenant believers

00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:59.519
 offer physical sacrifices

00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.659
 of animals and crops

00:35:00.659 --> 00:35:01.300
 upon an altar,

00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:02.759
 but New Testament believers

00:35:02.759 --> 00:35:04.480
 offer spiritual sacrifices

00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:05.880
 acceptable to God

00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:07.500
 through Jesus Christ.

00:35:07.539 --> 00:35:09.619
 1 Peter and Hebrews.

00:35:10.579 --> 00:35:11.420
 Old Covenant believers

00:35:11.420 --> 00:35:12.300
 receive from God

00:35:12.300 --> 00:35:13.539
 the physical land of Israel

00:35:13.539 --> 00:35:14.940
 which he had promised to them,

00:35:15.139 --> 00:35:16.219
 but New Testament believers

00:35:16.219 --> 00:35:17.699
 receive a better country

00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:19.300
 that is a heavenly one.

00:35:19.759 --> 00:35:20.980
 Hebrews chapter 11.

00:35:21.980 --> 00:35:22.880
 In the same way,

00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:23.699
 in the Old Covenant,

00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:25.400
 those who were the physical seed

00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:26.480
 or descendants of Abraham

00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.840
 were members of the people of Israel,

00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:30.340
 but in the New Testament,

00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:32.460
 those who are the spiritual seed

00:35:32.460 --> 00:35:33.539
 or descendants of Abraham

00:35:33.539 --> 00:35:36.320
 by faith are members of the church.

00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:37.800
 And how do we know?

00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:39.400
 How do we know?

00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:40.340
 If you were a member,

00:35:40.460 --> 00:35:41.900
 if you were a seed of Abraham

00:35:41.900 --> 00:35:46.159
 unless you have professed faith in Christ.

00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:48.000
 Furthermore,

00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:51.019
 the Bible nowhere makes such a connection

00:35:51.019 --> 00:35:53.159
 between the Old Covenant sign

00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:54.340
 and the New Covenant sign.

00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:56.900
 Doesn't it seem like a pretty important thing

00:35:56.900 --> 00:35:59.480
 to connect if it was meant to be connected?

00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:03.860
 As baptism is an ordinance of the church,

00:36:04.300 --> 00:36:05.440
 it reasons,

00:36:05.639 --> 00:36:07.840
 it reasons that this would follow.

00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:09.679
 Recall John's baptism,

00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:11.599
 Mark chapter 1, verse 4.

00:36:11.699 --> 00:36:13.139
 It was a baptism of what?

00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:14.500
 Repentance.

00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:16.619
 It was a baptism of repentance.

00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:19.380
 Recall John the Baptist's response

00:36:19.380 --> 00:36:21.219
 to the Pharisees and the Sadducees,

00:36:21.480 --> 00:36:22.619
 the religious elite,

00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:25.719
 those who had a bloodline heritage

00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:27.519
 to the people of God.

00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.119
 Verse 7, Matthew chapter 3,

00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:30.579
 he says,

00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:32.539
 But when he saw many of the Pharisees

00:36:32.539 --> 00:36:33.639
 coming to his baptism,

00:36:34.099 --> 00:36:34.860
 he said to them,

00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:36.900
 You brood of vipers,

00:36:37.219 --> 00:36:39.440
 who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.280
 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance

00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.280
 and do not presume to say to yourselves,

00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:46.460
 We have Abraham as our father.

00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:48.059
 For I tell you,

00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.719
 God is able from these stones

00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:53.179
 to raise up children for Abraham.

00:36:54.300 --> 00:36:55.880
 We are those stones

00:36:55.880 --> 00:36:56.780
 that have been raised,

00:36:56.780 --> 00:36:57.960
 professed faith in Christ,

00:36:58.100 --> 00:36:58.980
 and are baptized

00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:00.940
 with the baptism of repentance.

00:37:01.780 --> 00:37:03.519
 He refused to baptize

00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.360
 those who didn't bear

00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:08.040
 fruit of repentance.

00:37:09.700 --> 00:37:11.280
 Now here's an argument for you

00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:12.960
 from silence.

00:37:13.100 --> 00:37:14.040
 Acts chapter 15,

00:37:15.060 --> 00:37:16.180
 the Jerusalem council.

00:37:17.200 --> 00:37:18.380
 Paul and Barnabas

00:37:18.380 --> 00:37:20.340
 are currently in Antioch,

00:37:20.780 --> 00:37:21.380
 and we see,

00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.320
 starting in verse 1,

00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:24.880
 but some men came down from Judea

00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:26.460
 and were teaching the brothers,

00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.039
 Unless you are circumcised,

00:37:29.100 --> 00:37:30.120
 according to the custom of Moses,

00:37:30.200 --> 00:37:31.840
 you cannot be saved.

00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:33.420
 Unless you take this sign,

00:37:34.120 --> 00:37:34.500
 the Jews,

00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:35.380
 you cannot be saved.

00:37:35.580 --> 00:37:36.620
 And after Paul and Barnabas

00:37:36.620 --> 00:37:38.559
 had no small dissension and debate,

00:37:38.640 --> 00:37:39.620
 I love that record,

00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:40.300
 no small,

00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:42.059
 a large dissension and debate with them,

00:37:42.600 --> 00:37:43.440
 Paul and Barnabas

00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:44.059
 and some of the others

00:37:44.059 --> 00:37:45.340
 were appointed to go up to Jerusalem

00:37:45.340 --> 00:37:46.059
 to the apostles

00:37:46.059 --> 00:37:47.320
 and the elders

00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:48.759
 about this question.

00:37:48.860 --> 00:37:50.059
 Do you recall this story

00:37:50.059 --> 00:37:51.860
 that the gospel has been expanded

00:37:51.860 --> 00:37:53.159
 to the Gentiles,

00:37:53.299 --> 00:37:54.340
 and Paul and Barnabas

00:37:54.340 --> 00:37:55.519
 are on missionary journey,

00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:57.599
 and they are bringing people

00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:59.079
 to faith in Christ,

00:37:59.259 --> 00:38:01.099
 and there's this constant nagging

00:38:01.099 --> 00:38:01.900
 of the Judaizers.

00:38:02.019 --> 00:38:02.960
 We see it in Galatians.

00:38:03.019 --> 00:38:03.900
 That's what the book of Galatians

00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:04.639
 is all about,

00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:05.539
 is telling them that

00:38:05.539 --> 00:38:06.960
 they can't be saved by their works.

00:38:07.059 --> 00:38:08.460
 They don't have to be circumcised.

00:38:08.539 --> 00:38:10.039
 Don't be circumcised.

00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:11.440
 It doesn't matter anymore.

00:38:11.539 --> 00:38:12.779
 It's no longer the sign.

00:38:12.860 --> 00:38:14.539
 It's no longer the mark.

00:38:14.539 --> 00:38:15.179
 And so they go,

00:38:15.279 --> 00:38:17.719
 and they have this recorded conversation.

00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:19.400
 This council decides

00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:20.400
 to send letters out

00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:21.500
 to all the Gentile churches

00:38:21.500 --> 00:38:23.000
 to tell them not to worry about it.

00:38:23.059 --> 00:38:23.579
 You're okay.

00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:25.320
 You don't have to be circumcised.

00:38:25.940 --> 00:38:29.779
 Why did they not record here

00:38:29.779 --> 00:38:31.300
 by the hand of Luke,

00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:33.059
 baptism's the new thing.

00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:34.920
 Don't worry about the circumcision.

00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:36.400
 Don't worry about the circumcision more,

00:38:36.659 --> 00:38:38.219
 but be sure you're baptizing

00:38:38.219 --> 00:38:39.360
 because that now is

00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.000
 this new sign of the covenant.

00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:42.539
 They don't mention it anywhere.

00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.079
 Baptize your infants.

00:38:44.079 --> 00:38:44.759
 Baptize your infants.

00:38:44.860 --> 00:38:45.559
 Baptize your infants.

00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.420
 It's not in the scriptures.

00:38:50.039 --> 00:38:51.920
 Can you get your head around that?

00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:52.659
 I can't.

00:38:52.980 --> 00:38:54.420
 I have a really difficult time

00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:55.699
 doing so.

00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:57.500
 And I have to say,

00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:58.460
 the whole matter seems to be

00:38:58.460 --> 00:38:59.579
 a way of reconciling

00:38:59.579 --> 00:39:01.519
 the doctrine of original sin

00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.340
 and the need to repent and believe

00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:05.880
 concerning children who die

00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:07.460
 prior to such confessions.

00:39:08.539 --> 00:39:09.880
 Isn't that a challenging thing?

00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.420
 If we're to believe

00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:13.400
 that we have a father

00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:14.300
 who was Adam

00:39:14.300 --> 00:39:15.280
 and his sin,

00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:15.980
 the original sin,

00:39:16.059 --> 00:39:16.720
 passed to us,

00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:18.940
 that we have the same guilt,

00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:20.579
 isn't that a challenge

00:39:20.579 --> 00:39:22.360
 that we're born in iniquity,

00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:23.140
 the Psalms say?

00:39:23.139 --> 00:39:25.460
 What happens to our young ones?

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.420
 We're not able to respond.

00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:28.799
 We don't get that.

00:39:29.139 --> 00:39:31.259
 How can we possibly reconcile

00:39:31.259 --> 00:39:32.420
 these things?

00:39:33.359 --> 00:39:34.519
 There are some that just argue

00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:35.779
 against the doctrine of original sin,

00:39:36.659 --> 00:39:38.420
 stating that children are inclined

00:39:38.420 --> 00:39:39.440
 to sin by their nature.

00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:41.460
 They're born with a propensity

00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:43.339
 to sin by their nature,

00:39:43.339 --> 00:39:45.319
 but they're not guilty of sin

00:39:45.319 --> 00:39:46.679
 until they knowingly sin.

00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:49.460
 My kids knowingly sin all the time.

00:39:49.699 --> 00:39:51.219
 I've got a four-year-old

00:39:51.219 --> 00:39:51.960
 and a two-year-old.

00:39:52.359 --> 00:39:53.679
 This is where we get the concept

00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:54.699
 of the age of accountability

00:39:54.699 --> 00:39:57.519
 found nowhere in the Scriptures.

00:39:59.079 --> 00:39:59.839
 As a church,

00:39:59.919 --> 00:40:00.839
 we hold to the doctrine

00:40:00.839 --> 00:40:02.239
 of original sin.

00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:04.759
 Our statement of faith says,

00:40:05.059 --> 00:40:06.139
 we believe that man was created

00:40:06.139 --> 00:40:06.699
 in holiness

00:40:06.699 --> 00:40:07.960
 under the law of his Maker,

00:40:08.819 --> 00:40:09.679
 but by voluntary transgression

00:40:10.299 --> 00:40:11.960
 fell from that holy and happy state.

00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.139
 This would be Adam.

00:40:13.619 --> 00:40:14.879
 In consequence of which

00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:17.059
 all mankind are now sinners,

00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:19.340
 not by constraint,

00:40:19.460 --> 00:40:20.019
 but choice,

00:40:20.140 --> 00:40:21.119
 being by nature

00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.780
 utterly void of that holiness

00:40:22.780 --> 00:40:24.260
 required by the law of God,

00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:26.340
 positively inclined to evil,

00:40:26.740 --> 00:40:28.640
 and therefore under just condemnation

00:40:28.640 --> 00:40:30.000
 to eternal ruin

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.700
 without defense or excuse.

00:40:34.180 --> 00:40:35.900
 We believe this to be true.

00:40:36.700 --> 00:40:38.460
 What happens to children

00:40:38.460 --> 00:40:39.500
 who die in the womb?

00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:41.140
 To our young ones?

00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:43.260
 To children who are mentally,

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:44.220
 or adults for that matter,

00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:45.279
 who are mentally handicapped

00:40:45.279 --> 00:40:46.099
 and don't seem to be able

00:40:46.099 --> 00:40:48.299
 to understand and conceptualize?

00:40:48.539 --> 00:40:49.579
 The truth of it is

00:40:49.579 --> 00:40:50.719
 that I don't know.

00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:53.799
 I throw myself on the mercy of God

00:40:53.799 --> 00:40:54.439
 for the matter.

00:40:54.980 --> 00:40:56.579
 I lean on his character

00:40:56.579 --> 00:40:57.419
 to say, surely,

00:40:57.619 --> 00:40:58.679
 surely they're not being

00:40:58.679 --> 00:40:59.719
 eternally punished.

00:41:00.399 --> 00:41:01.339
 Surely not.

00:41:02.179 --> 00:41:02.959
 There are some instances

00:41:02.959 --> 00:41:03.439
 in the Scripture.

00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:04.819
 We see David has a young one

00:41:04.819 --> 00:41:05.279
 that dies,

00:41:05.359 --> 00:41:06.399
 and he says that one day

00:41:06.399 --> 00:41:07.299
 he'll be with him.

00:41:07.839 --> 00:41:08.819
 Speaking of glory.

00:41:09.439 --> 00:41:10.480
 We've got some hints

00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:11.279
 and some clues to that,

00:41:11.319 --> 00:41:11.719
 but the Scripture

00:41:11.719 --> 00:41:13.480
 don't speak clearly to it.

00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:14.880
 And it puts us in a place

00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:16.079
 where we ought to just say

00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.659
 we believe that God

00:41:17.659 --> 00:41:19.780
 knows what is best.

00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:22.119
 We trust him in that

00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:23.219
 because he's good,

00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:24.760
 sovereign ruler.

00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:27.320
 Now I'll say that

00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:28.840
 modern Presbyterians

00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:31.000
 don't believe that infant baptism

00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:31.659
 is salvific.

00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:33.740
 They do not believe that.

00:41:34.340 --> 00:41:35.240
 Again, broad brush,

00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:35.980
 maybe some do.

00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:37.280
 As far as I know,

00:41:37.420 --> 00:41:39.639
 PCA Church does not believe

00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:41.480
 that it is salvific,

00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:42.159
 salvific.

00:41:42.260 --> 00:41:42.980
 Although they do use

00:41:42.980 --> 00:41:44.019
 the terminology that it's

00:41:44.019 --> 00:41:45.940
 a sign of covenant promise,

00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:47.059
 which is hard for me

00:41:47.059 --> 00:41:47.980
 because it seems that if God

00:41:47.980 --> 00:41:48.500
 makes a promise,

00:41:48.579 --> 00:41:51.079
 he necessarily fulfills

00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:51.559
 that promise.

00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:52.760
 And the Westminster Confession

00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.199
 seems to give some hint to that.

00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:55.559
 Again, chapter 28,

00:41:55.639 --> 00:41:56.880
 this is section 6.

00:41:58.079 --> 00:41:58.760
 The efficacy,

00:41:59.300 --> 00:42:00.079
 or the effect,

00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:01.079
 of baptism

00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:02.980
 is not tied to that

00:42:02.980 --> 00:42:04.079
 moment of time

00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.039
 wherein it is administered.

00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:05.579
 Right?

00:42:05.619 --> 00:42:06.179
 So they're not saved

00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:07.219
 at the time of baptism.

00:42:07.219 --> 00:42:08.059
 Yet,

00:42:08.779 --> 00:42:09.679
 notwithstanding,

00:42:09.819 --> 00:42:10.719
 or nevertheless,

00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:12.480
 by the right use

00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:13.039
 of this ordinance,

00:42:13.179 --> 00:42:13.980
 the grace promise

00:42:13.980 --> 00:42:15.259
 is not only offered,

00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:16.959
 but really exhibited

00:42:16.959 --> 00:42:17.599
 and confirmed

00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:18.579
 by the Holy Ghost

00:42:18.579 --> 00:42:19.839
 to such,

00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:20.959
 whether of age

00:42:20.959 --> 00:42:21.799
 or infants,

00:42:22.299 --> 00:42:23.059
 as that grace

00:42:23.059 --> 00:42:23.799
 belongeth unto

00:42:23.799 --> 00:42:24.459
 according to the counsel

00:42:24.459 --> 00:42:25.039
 of God's own will

00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:26.059
 in his appointed time.

00:42:26.099 --> 00:42:26.959
 It seems to say

00:42:26.959 --> 00:42:27.779
 that they will.

00:42:28.219 --> 00:42:29.119
 That they will

00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.759
 be saved.

00:42:31.539 --> 00:42:32.619
 They have another section

00:42:32.619 --> 00:42:32.980
 that says

00:42:32.980 --> 00:42:33.599
 not necessarily.

00:42:34.099 --> 00:42:35.000
 It's fascinating.

00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:36.079
 It seems very confusing

00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:36.619
 to me.

00:42:37.219 --> 00:42:38.339
 I found on the website

00:42:38.339 --> 00:42:39.279
 for the Orthodox

00:42:39.279 --> 00:42:40.119
 Presbyterian Church,

00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:40.939
 not PCA,

00:42:41.059 --> 00:42:42.199
 so to be very clear

00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:43.480
 and fair about that.

00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:44.819
 This gentleman wrote,

00:42:44.919 --> 00:42:45.119
 Moreover,

00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:46.639
 I personally believe

00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.059
 that when believing parents

00:42:48.059 --> 00:42:49.379
 sometimes experience

00:42:49.379 --> 00:42:49.879
 the tragedy

00:42:49.879 --> 00:42:50.439
 of an infant

00:42:50.439 --> 00:42:51.379
 miscarried from the womb

00:42:51.379 --> 00:42:52.599
 or dying soon

00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:53.179
 after birth,

00:42:53.339 --> 00:42:54.219
 we may cling

00:42:54.219 --> 00:42:55.339
 with reasonable hope

00:42:55.339 --> 00:42:56.059
 that our little one

00:42:56.059 --> 00:42:56.480
 is in heaven

00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:57.359
 with the children's Savior.

00:42:59.159 --> 00:42:59.679
 Worldlings,

00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:00.759
 that is those

00:43:00.759 --> 00:43:01.879
 who are not believers,

00:43:02.339 --> 00:43:03.939
 have no such hope.

00:43:05.259 --> 00:43:06.079
 That's the inference

00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:06.659
 he draws.

00:43:07.219 --> 00:43:08.779
 In the fourth century,

00:43:09.279 --> 00:43:09.839
 Augustine,

00:43:10.279 --> 00:43:11.179
 who we love,

00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:12.199
 wrote this.

00:43:14.059 --> 00:43:14.539
 If you wish

00:43:14.539 --> 00:43:15.239
 to be a Christian,

00:43:16.279 --> 00:43:17.419
 do not believe,

00:43:17.879 --> 00:43:18.959
 nor say,

00:43:19.279 --> 00:43:20.399
 nor teach

00:43:20.399 --> 00:43:21.379
 that infants

00:43:21.379 --> 00:43:22.459
 who die before baptism

00:43:22.459 --> 00:43:23.480
 can obtain the remission

00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:24.239
 of original sin.

00:43:25.539 --> 00:43:25.980
 If you wish

00:43:25.980 --> 00:43:26.539
 to be a Christian,

00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:27.859
 how dare you

00:43:27.859 --> 00:43:29.319
 say,

00:43:29.619 --> 00:43:29.939
 believe,

00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:30.659
 or teach

00:43:30.659 --> 00:43:31.379
 that kids

00:43:31.379 --> 00:43:32.379
 that are not baptized

00:43:32.379 --> 00:43:33.019
 can be saved.

00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:33.719
 That's what he's saying

00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:34.199
 here.

00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:35.879
 So the baptism

00:43:35.879 --> 00:43:36.339
 then,

00:43:36.419 --> 00:43:37.159
 in some way,

00:43:37.439 --> 00:43:38.399
 extends grace to them.

00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:39.399
 And again,

00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:39.960
 whoever says

00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:40.779
 that even infants

00:43:40.779 --> 00:43:41.599
 are vivified

00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:42.659
 or brought to life

00:43:42.659 --> 00:43:43.219
 in Christ,

00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:44.199
 when they depart

00:43:44.199 --> 00:43:44.639
 this life

00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:45.619
 without participation

00:43:45.619 --> 00:43:46.859
 in his sacrament,

00:43:46.980 --> 00:43:47.579
 that is baptism,

00:43:48.139 --> 00:43:49.159
 both opposes

00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:50.299
 the apostolic preaching

00:43:50.299 --> 00:43:51.159
 and condemns

00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:52.059
 the whole church

00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:53.279
 which hastens

00:43:53.279 --> 00:43:54.299
 to baptize infants

00:43:54.299 --> 00:43:55.379
 because it

00:43:55.379 --> 00:43:56.679
 unhesitantly believes

00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:57.139
 that otherwise

00:43:57.139 --> 00:43:58.339
 they cannot possibly

00:43:58.339 --> 00:43:58.939
 be vivified

00:43:58.939 --> 00:43:59.799
 in Christ.

00:44:00.259 --> 00:44:00.659
 Right?

00:44:00.980 --> 00:44:01.559
 No church

00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:02.500
 that hastens

00:44:02.500 --> 00:44:03.460
 to baptize them

00:44:03.460 --> 00:44:04.480
 because if we don't

00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:05.259
 they can't possibly

00:44:05.259 --> 00:44:05.920
 be vivified

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:06.500
 in Christ.

00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:07.179
 So it would seem

00:44:07.179 --> 00:44:08.480
 that early

00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:11.539
 church leaders,

00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:13.440
 Augustine of Hippo

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:14.559
 believed that there was

00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:15.559
 grace administered

00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:16.320
 to baptism.

00:44:16.420 --> 00:44:17.400
 There's much confusion

00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:18.980
 over this

00:44:18.980 --> 00:44:19.519
 where the Bible

00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:20.659
 does not give

00:44:20.659 --> 00:44:21.400
 clarity.

00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:22.519
 We should simply

00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:24.019
 not try

00:44:24.019 --> 00:44:25.639
 to define it.

00:44:27.420 --> 00:44:28.679
 So it confuses

00:44:28.679 --> 00:44:29.900
 our belief

00:44:29.900 --> 00:44:30.539
 in the sufficiency

00:44:30.539 --> 00:44:31.000
 of Scripture.

00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:32.219
 Point one.

00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:33.599
 These are going

00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:34.300
 to move faster now.

00:44:35.579 --> 00:44:36.519
 Foundation laid.

00:44:37.099 --> 00:44:38.000
 It confuses

00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:38.840
 the nature

00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:40.440
 of the church.

00:44:40.539 --> 00:44:41.099
 It confuses

00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:41.719
 the nature

00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:42.579
 of the church.

00:44:42.759 --> 00:44:44.340
 What is the church?

00:44:44.500 --> 00:44:45.219
 We believe

00:44:45.219 --> 00:44:46.719
 in a believer's

00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:47.960
 church.

00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:49.259
 Ephesians 5.25

00:44:49.259 --> 00:44:50.039
 says Christ

00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:51.420
 loved the church

00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:53.079
 and gave himself

00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:53.860
 up for her.

00:44:54.440 --> 00:44:55.380
 Every New Testament

00:44:55.380 --> 00:44:56.179
 reference concerning

00:44:56.179 --> 00:44:57.099
 the universal church

00:44:57.099 --> 00:44:58.639
 or the local church

00:44:58.639 --> 00:44:59.440
 rather,

00:45:00.299 --> 00:45:01.239
 whether it's past,

00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:01.639
 present,

00:45:01.699 --> 00:45:02.259
 or future,

00:45:02.259 --> 00:45:03.659
 is always speaking

00:45:03.659 --> 00:45:04.339
 of those who are

00:45:04.339 --> 00:45:06.059
 in the faith.

00:45:06.299 --> 00:45:07.559
 Not those outside,

00:45:07.839 --> 00:45:08.539
 not those that we

00:45:08.539 --> 00:45:09.000
 question,

00:45:09.379 --> 00:45:10.339
 not our kids,

00:45:10.579 --> 00:45:11.559
 but those who are

00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.159
 in the faith.

00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:15.519
 Remember the

00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:16.259
 Westminster Confession?

00:45:16.659 --> 00:45:17.559
 Baptism is a sacrament

00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:18.079
 in the New Testament

00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:19.099
 ordained by Jesus Christ

00:45:19.099 --> 00:45:20.440
 not only for the

00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:20.879
 solemn mission

00:45:20.879 --> 00:45:21.159
 of the party

00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:21.559
 baptized in the

00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:22.139
 invisible church.

00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:23.179
 We believe that

00:45:23.179 --> 00:45:23.599
 to be true,

00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:24.379
 but we just believe

00:45:24.379 --> 00:45:25.119
 that somebody

00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:26.379
 must be saved

00:45:26.380 --> 00:45:27.099
 for that to be

00:45:27.099 --> 00:45:28.360
 the case.

00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:30.320
 From our own

00:45:30.320 --> 00:45:30.760
 document,

00:45:30.940 --> 00:45:33.000
 from our bylaws,

00:45:33.140 --> 00:45:33.700
 those seeking to

00:45:33.700 --> 00:45:34.140
 become members

00:45:34.140 --> 00:45:34.640
 of Christ's family

00:45:34.640 --> 00:45:35.640
 church must meet

00:45:35.640 --> 00:45:36.140
 the following

00:45:36.140 --> 00:45:36.900
 conditions.

00:45:37.740 --> 00:45:38.260
 Number one,

00:45:39.059 --> 00:45:39.640
 such persons

00:45:39.640 --> 00:45:40.220
 must profess

00:45:40.220 --> 00:45:40.519
 who have been

00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:41.000
 born again

00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:41.340
 of the Holy

00:45:41.340 --> 00:45:41.720
 Spirit,

00:45:42.220 --> 00:45:42.800
 having believed

00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:43.240
 in the power

00:45:43.240 --> 00:45:43.920
 of God Almighty

00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:44.240
 in Jesus'

00:45:44.420 --> 00:45:44.660
 death,

00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:45.240
 resurrection,

00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:46.440
 and ascension

00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:47.019
 to save them

00:45:47.019 --> 00:45:47.640
 from the bondage

00:45:47.640 --> 00:45:47.980
 and penalty

00:45:47.980 --> 00:45:48.740
 of their sins

00:45:48.740 --> 00:45:49.960
 and bearing fruit

00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:50.340
 of their new

00:45:50.340 --> 00:45:51.280
 life in Him.

00:45:51.340 --> 00:45:52.119
 You must be

00:45:52.119 --> 00:45:52.900
 a Christian

00:45:52.900 --> 00:45:53.820
 and you must

00:45:53.820 --> 00:45:54.160
 be giving

00:45:54.160 --> 00:45:54.820
 some evidence

00:45:54.820 --> 00:45:55.200
 of that,

00:45:55.260 --> 00:45:55.780
 that you are

00:45:55.780 --> 00:45:56.119
 a Christian,

00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:56.420
 that you are

00:45:56.420 --> 00:45:57.099
 a good tree

00:45:57.099 --> 00:45:58.339
 bearing good fruit.

00:45:58.460 --> 00:45:59.019
 And secondly,

00:45:59.619 --> 00:46:00.339
 such persons

00:46:00.339 --> 00:46:01.199
 must have been

00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:02.679
 baptized by

00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:04.299
 immersion or

00:46:04.299 --> 00:46:05.239
 expressed intent

00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:05.699
 thereunto,

00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:06.119
 right,

00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:06.519
 when we get

00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:07.420
 the tank out

00:46:07.420 --> 00:46:08.179
 to make that

00:46:08.179 --> 00:46:09.440
 happen as soon

00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:10.159
 as we possibly

00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:11.139
 can.

00:46:11.759 --> 00:46:12.460
 That we agree

00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:13.179
 upon this,

00:46:13.259 --> 00:46:13.579
 that we are

00:46:13.579 --> 00:46:14.500
 believers and

00:46:14.500 --> 00:46:15.219
 we are united

00:46:15.219 --> 00:46:16.299
 in this together.

00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:17.900
 To be clear,

00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:18.839
 the kids in our

00:46:18.839 --> 00:46:19.299
 church that

00:46:19.299 --> 00:46:20.000
 haven't professed

00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:20.539
 faith in Christ

00:46:20.539 --> 00:46:21.000
 and been baptized

00:46:21.000 --> 00:46:21.980
 are not members

00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:23.239
 of our church.

00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:24.199
 They don't sit

00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:24.759
 in our meetings

00:46:24.759 --> 00:46:25.659
 and vote.

00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:26.599
 Right?

00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:27.319
 We don't hold

00:46:27.319 --> 00:46:27.739
 them to the

00:46:27.739 --> 00:46:28.639
 same standard.

00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:29.559
 Please don't

00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:30.000
 hold my kids

00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.279
 to the same

00:46:30.279 --> 00:46:30.659
 standard you

00:46:30.659 --> 00:46:31.179
 hold me to.

00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:33.759
 They're not

00:46:33.759 --> 00:46:35.039
 yet members

00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:36.559
 of our church.

00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:37.940
 What a wonderful

00:46:37.940 --> 00:46:39.039
 opportunity to

00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:39.719
 not give our

00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:41.019
 kids a false

00:46:41.019 --> 00:46:42.940
 sense of

00:46:42.940 --> 00:46:43.599
 their salvation.

00:46:44.179 --> 00:46:44.639
 Does it not

00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:45.339
 confuse that

00:46:45.339 --> 00:46:46.759
 matter when you

00:46:46.759 --> 00:46:47.559
 say to a child

00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:48.319
 you were baptized,

00:46:48.579 --> 00:46:49.139
 therefore you're

00:46:49.139 --> 00:46:50.380
 part of the

00:46:50.380 --> 00:46:51.139
 covenant community

00:46:51.139 --> 00:46:51.879
 because you

00:46:51.879 --> 00:46:52.699
 have received

00:46:52.699 --> 00:46:53.619
 the covenant

00:46:53.619 --> 00:46:54.819
 sign of

00:46:54.819 --> 00:46:55.460
 promise.

00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:57.859
 Oh, but wait.

00:46:58.059 --> 00:46:58.719
 You must repent

00:46:58.719 --> 00:46:59.199
 and believe.

00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.480
 After the fact,

00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:01.579
 you must respond

00:47:01.579 --> 00:47:03.619
 in faith from

00:47:03.619 --> 00:47:04.099
 the symbol of

00:47:04.099 --> 00:47:04.639
 the baptism that

00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:05.379
 was originally

00:47:05.379 --> 00:47:06.719
 given to you

00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:07.779
 as a child.

00:47:08.779 --> 00:47:10.000
 In our church,

00:47:10.460 --> 00:47:11.339
 failure to be

00:47:11.339 --> 00:47:11.900
 baptized would

00:47:11.900 --> 00:47:12.739
 constitute a

00:47:12.739 --> 00:47:13.659
 matter of church

00:47:13.659 --> 00:47:14.299
 discipline.

00:47:15.099 --> 00:47:15.539
 If you want to

00:47:15.539 --> 00:47:16.379
 join our church

00:47:16.379 --> 00:47:17.339
 and you've never

00:47:17.339 --> 00:47:18.339
 been baptized or

00:47:18.339 --> 00:47:18.859
 you were baptized

00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:19.539
 as an infant

00:47:19.539 --> 00:47:20.120
 and you don't

00:47:20.120 --> 00:47:20.700
 see the case

00:47:20.700 --> 00:47:21.280
 for believer's

00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:22.320
 baptism and

00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:23.420
 you refuse to

00:47:23.420 --> 00:47:24.160
 be baptized as

00:47:24.160 --> 00:47:24.500
 a believer,

00:47:25.120 --> 00:47:25.660
 we would say

00:47:25.660 --> 00:47:26.160
 that we can't

00:47:26.160 --> 00:47:26.880
 fellowship together

00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:27.519
 in this way.

00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:28.260
 It's a plain

00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:28.720
 case in the

00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:29.240
 scriptures made

00:47:29.240 --> 00:47:29.500
 here.

00:47:29.660 --> 00:47:30.079
 If you were to

00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:30.940
 be obedient to

00:47:30.940 --> 00:47:31.340
 the call of

00:47:31.340 --> 00:47:31.760
 Christ, you

00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:32.099
 need to be

00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:32.460
 baptized.

00:47:33.140 --> 00:47:33.480
 You say,

00:47:33.579 --> 00:47:34.120
 no, I

00:47:34.120 --> 00:47:34.840
 totally disagree.

00:47:35.500 --> 00:47:36.240
 If we allowed

00:47:36.240 --> 00:47:36.760
 you to be a

00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:37.240
 member of our

00:47:37.240 --> 00:47:37.940
 church, there

00:47:37.940 --> 00:47:38.260
 would be an

00:47:38.260 --> 00:47:39.340
 immediate case

00:47:39.340 --> 00:47:39.720
 for church

00:47:39.720 --> 00:47:40.099
 discipline.

00:47:40.460 --> 00:47:40.720
 Would there

00:47:40.720 --> 00:47:41.000
 not?

00:47:41.099 --> 00:47:41.559
 We'd be saying

00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:42.539
 repent of your

00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:43.240
 sin of not

00:47:43.240 --> 00:47:43.780
 being baptized.

00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:45.360
 And the

00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:46.099
 proper repentance

00:47:46.099 --> 00:47:46.519
 would be to

00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:47.260
 be baptized.

00:47:48.380 --> 00:47:48.760
 And if you

00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:49.300
 didn't, we

00:47:49.300 --> 00:47:49.760
 would have

00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:50.880
 to excuse

00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:51.160
 you from

00:47:51.160 --> 00:47:51.640
 the church.

00:47:52.560 --> 00:47:52.920
 So we

00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:53.640
 just prevent

00:47:53.640 --> 00:47:54.240
 that altogether

00:47:54.240 --> 00:47:55.120
 by not allowing

00:47:55.120 --> 00:47:55.760
 it to begin

00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:56.220
 with.

00:47:57.500 --> 00:47:58.280
 Listen again,

00:47:58.340 --> 00:47:58.660
 the Westminster

00:47:58.660 --> 00:47:59.220
 Confession,

00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:00.380
 chapter 28,

00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:01.040
 section 5.

00:48:02.500 --> 00:48:03.280
 Although it

00:48:03.280 --> 00:48:04.120
 be a great

00:48:04.120 --> 00:48:06.060
 sin to

00:48:06.060 --> 00:48:06.780
 contemn or

00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:08.000
 treat with

00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.860
 contentment or

00:48:09.860 --> 00:48:10.920
 neglect this

00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:12.300
 ordinance, yet

00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:12.920
 grace and

00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:13.560
 salvation are

00:48:13.560 --> 00:48:14.060
 not so

00:48:14.060 --> 00:48:14.680
 inseparably

00:48:14.680 --> 00:48:15.380
 annexed unto

00:48:15.380 --> 00:48:15.980
 it as that no

00:48:15.980 --> 00:48:16.700
 person can be

00:48:16.700 --> 00:48:17.880
 regenerated or

00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:18.400
 saved.

00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:19.400
 without it.

00:48:19.860 --> 00:48:20.880
 Or that

00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:21.619
 all are

00:48:21.619 --> 00:48:22.200
 baptized are

00:48:22.200 --> 00:48:22.720
 undoubtedly

00:48:22.720 --> 00:48:24.039
 regenerated.

00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:26.000
 So catch

00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:26.240
 what they're

00:48:26.240 --> 00:48:26.599
 saying.

00:48:27.059 --> 00:48:27.579
 It's a

00:48:27.579 --> 00:48:28.740
 great sin

00:48:28.740 --> 00:48:30.559
 to hold the

00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:31.099
 position I

00:48:31.099 --> 00:48:31.440
 have.

00:48:31.940 --> 00:48:32.680
 To treat

00:48:32.680 --> 00:48:33.619
 infant baptism

00:48:33.619 --> 00:48:36.119
 with contempt.

00:48:37.139 --> 00:48:37.960
 Will not do

00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:38.099
 it.

00:48:38.240 --> 00:48:38.720
 Will not

00:48:38.720 --> 00:48:39.240
 baptize my

00:48:39.240 --> 00:48:39.519
 children.

00:48:40.160 --> 00:48:40.880
 Yet, again,

00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:41.900
 broad stroke,

00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:43.139
 in many,

00:48:43.240 --> 00:48:44.059
 many, many

00:48:44.059 --> 00:48:45.260
 Presbyterian

00:48:45.260 --> 00:48:46.860
 churches, if

00:48:46.860 --> 00:48:47.220
 you hold

00:48:47.219 --> 00:48:47.500
 different

00:48:47.500 --> 00:48:47.959
 convictions,

00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:48.399
 you're not

00:48:48.399 --> 00:48:49.980
 required to

00:48:49.980 --> 00:48:50.239
 have your

00:48:50.239 --> 00:48:51.139
 child baptized.

00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:51.939
 What kind

00:48:51.939 --> 00:48:52.099
 of a

00:48:52.099 --> 00:48:52.659
 conviction is

00:48:52.659 --> 00:48:53.039
 that?

00:48:53.399 --> 00:48:53.799
 And about

00:48:53.799 --> 00:48:54.539
 an ordinance,

00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:56.000
 no less.

00:48:57.379 --> 00:48:58.399
 My personal

00:48:58.399 --> 00:48:58.959
 conviction

00:48:58.959 --> 00:48:59.899
 concerning

00:48:59.899 --> 00:49:01.079
 alcohol is

00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:01.279
 that I

00:49:01.279 --> 00:49:01.619
 don't.

00:49:02.279 --> 00:49:02.759
 I don't

00:49:02.759 --> 00:49:03.279
 drink alcohol

00:49:03.279 --> 00:49:03.619
 because of

00:49:03.619 --> 00:49:04.179
 my position,

00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:04.959
 because of

00:49:04.959 --> 00:49:05.480
 the culture

00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:06.019
 in which we

00:49:06.019 --> 00:49:06.480
 live in.

00:49:07.059 --> 00:49:07.599
 I think that

00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:08.419
 the possible

00:49:08.419 --> 00:49:09.259
 negativity of

00:49:09.259 --> 00:49:09.919
 doing so

00:49:09.919 --> 00:49:11.519
 far outweighs

00:49:11.519 --> 00:49:12.980
 any short-term

00:49:12.980 --> 00:49:13.799
 benefit of

00:49:13.799 --> 00:49:14.239
 doing so.

00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:14.479
 It just

00:49:14.479 --> 00:49:14.839
 makes no

00:49:14.839 --> 00:49:15.599
 sense to

00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:16.000
 me.

00:49:16.699 --> 00:49:17.139
 But the

00:49:17.139 --> 00:49:17.459
 scriptures

00:49:17.459 --> 00:49:18.599
 nowhere prohibit

00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:19.159
 you from

00:49:19.159 --> 00:49:19.799
 doing so,

00:49:19.939 --> 00:49:20.339
 and therefore

00:49:20.339 --> 00:49:20.939
 I'm not going

00:49:20.939 --> 00:49:21.519
 to teach you

00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:22.079
 that you

00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:22.579
 cannot.

00:49:23.399 --> 00:49:23.599
 Right?

00:49:23.859 --> 00:49:24.479
 This is the

00:49:24.479 --> 00:49:24.839
 type of

00:49:24.839 --> 00:49:25.439
 gray area

00:49:25.439 --> 00:49:26.119
 conviction that

00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:26.479
 we can

00:49:26.479 --> 00:49:27.419
 disagree on.

00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:27.979
 Somebody,

00:49:28.179 --> 00:49:28.619
 I know many

00:49:28.619 --> 00:49:29.119
 of you do,

00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:30.259
 enjoy a good

00:49:30.259 --> 00:49:31.079
 glass of wine

00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:31.359
 with your

00:49:31.359 --> 00:49:31.659
 meal,

00:49:32.219 --> 00:49:32.779
 go ahead.

00:49:33.299 --> 00:49:34.179
 No problem.

00:49:34.259 --> 00:49:34.500
 We can

00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:34.859
 fellowship

00:49:34.859 --> 00:49:35.719
 together on

00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:35.839
 that.

00:49:35.919 --> 00:49:36.359
 We can be

00:49:36.359 --> 00:49:36.819
 a church

00:49:36.819 --> 00:49:37.859
 together around

00:49:37.859 --> 00:49:38.399
 that matter.

00:49:38.579 --> 00:49:39.399
 This is one.

00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:40.279
 How could we

00:49:40.279 --> 00:49:41.639
 possibly disagree

00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:42.839
 on this?

00:49:43.379 --> 00:49:43.539
 Right?

00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:44.119
 A conviction

00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:44.599
 about an

00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:45.219
 ordinance given

00:49:45.219 --> 00:49:45.799
 to us as a

00:49:45.799 --> 00:49:46.179
 church.

00:49:46.379 --> 00:49:46.920
 How it is

00:49:46.920 --> 00:49:47.199
 that we

00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:48.319
 define the

00:49:48.319 --> 00:49:49.440
 community of

00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:49.839
 faith.

00:49:50.379 --> 00:49:50.779
 And you say,

00:49:50.879 --> 00:49:51.480
 nah, don't

00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.019
 worry about it.

00:49:52.799 --> 00:49:53.559
 I say a

00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:54.239
 conviction treated

00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:54.940
 that way is no

00:49:54.940 --> 00:49:55.500
 conviction at

00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:55.739
 all.

00:49:58.179 --> 00:49:58.659
 Thirdly,

00:49:59.500 --> 00:50:00.920
 it confuses

00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:01.539
 the meaning

00:50:01.539 --> 00:50:02.500
 of believer's

00:50:02.500 --> 00:50:02.900
 baptism.

00:50:03.299 --> 00:50:04.000
 Infant baptism

00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.039
 confuses the

00:50:05.039 --> 00:50:06.480
 meaning of

00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:07.199
 believer's

00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:07.920
 baptism.

00:50:08.859 --> 00:50:09.519
 Again, let's

00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:09.980
 just remember,

00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:10.779
 what is it that

00:50:10.780 --> 00:50:11.800
 we believe

00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:13.640
 baptism means?

00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:14.680
 It's a symbol,

00:50:14.800 --> 00:50:14.980
 right?

00:50:15.019 --> 00:50:15.400
 It's not

00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:16.080
 salvific.

00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:16.580
 It doesn't

00:50:16.580 --> 00:50:17.240
 bring to us

00:50:17.240 --> 00:50:17.940
 any type of

00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:18.580
 grace.

00:50:18.780 --> 00:50:19.519
 It's a picture

00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:20.380
 of the grace

00:50:20.380 --> 00:50:21.400
 that's already

00:50:21.400 --> 00:50:22.460
 occurred in

00:50:22.460 --> 00:50:23.220
 our lives.

00:50:24.420 --> 00:50:25.120
 Romans chapter

00:50:25.120 --> 00:50:25.640
 6.

00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:26.380
 Again, notice

00:50:26.380 --> 00:50:27.080
 the past tense

00:50:27.080 --> 00:50:27.480
 language.

00:50:27.640 --> 00:50:28.140
 You not know

00:50:28.140 --> 00:50:29.080
 that all of us

00:50:29.080 --> 00:50:29.560
 who have been

00:50:29.560 --> 00:50:30.440
 baptized into

00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:31.000
 Christ Jesus

00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:31.580
 were baptized

00:50:31.580 --> 00:50:32.300
 into his

00:50:32.300 --> 00:50:32.680
 death.

00:50:33.580 --> 00:50:33.840
 We were

00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:34.180
 buried,

00:50:34.340 --> 00:50:34.480
 therefore,

00:50:34.620 --> 00:50:35.000
 with him

00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:35.600
 by baptism

00:50:35.600 --> 00:50:36.280
 into death

00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:36.660
 in order

00:50:36.660 --> 00:50:37.080
 that,

00:50:37.600 --> 00:50:37.960
 just as

00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:38.580
 Christ was

00:50:38.580 --> 00:50:38.960
 raised from

00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:39.280
 the dead

00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:39.740
 by the glory

00:50:39.740 --> 00:50:39.960
 of the

00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:40.180
 Father,

00:50:40.179 --> 00:50:40.779
 we too

00:50:40.779 --> 00:50:41.419
 might walk

00:50:41.419 --> 00:50:41.980
 in newness

00:50:41.980 --> 00:50:42.779
 of life.

00:50:43.839 --> 00:50:44.859
 Our old

00:50:44.859 --> 00:50:45.859
 selves have

00:50:45.859 --> 00:50:46.179
 been put

00:50:46.179 --> 00:50:46.799
 to death,

00:50:46.940 --> 00:50:47.399
 and we are

00:50:47.399 --> 00:50:48.139
 now a new

00:50:48.139 --> 00:50:48.759
 creation.

00:50:48.919 --> 00:50:49.279
 This is the

00:50:49.279 --> 00:50:49.759
 picture of

00:50:49.759 --> 00:50:50.179
 baptism,

00:50:50.379 --> 00:50:50.579
 right?

00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:51.579
 It's showing

00:50:51.579 --> 00:50:52.339
 everybody,

00:50:52.779 --> 00:50:53.559
 I have

00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:54.519
 believed in

00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:55.000
 Christ.

00:50:55.519 --> 00:50:55.940
 The old

00:50:55.940 --> 00:50:56.419
 Nathan is

00:50:56.419 --> 00:50:56.960
 dead and

00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:57.219
 gone.

00:50:57.299 --> 00:50:57.679
 The new

00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:58.199
 Nathan is

00:50:58.199 --> 00:50:58.559
 here.

00:50:59.119 --> 00:50:59.699
 I want

00:50:59.699 --> 00:51:00.059
 to be in

00:51:00.059 --> 00:51:00.399
 fellowship

00:51:00.399 --> 00:51:00.819
 with you.

00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:01.279
 I want

00:51:01.279 --> 00:51:01.739
 to be held

00:51:01.739 --> 00:51:02.119
 to that

00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:02.639
 standard.

00:51:03.199 --> 00:51:03.779
 Please help

00:51:03.779 --> 00:51:04.659
 me to do

00:51:04.659 --> 00:51:05.000
 so.

00:51:06.500 --> 00:51:06.839
 Michael

00:51:06.839 --> 00:51:07.199
 Green,

00:51:07.359 --> 00:51:08.000
 Presbyterian,

00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:08.659
 in his

00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:09.019
 book,

00:51:09.139 --> 00:51:09.619
 Baptism,

00:51:09.699 --> 00:51:10.260
 its purpose,

00:51:10.579 --> 00:51:11.000
 practice,

00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:11.719
 and power,

00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:12.800
 says this,

00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:13.139
 and I just

00:51:13.139 --> 00:51:13.519
 want to tell you

00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:13.860
 up front,

00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:14.519
 I completely

00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:15.340
 disagree with

00:51:15.340 --> 00:51:15.480
 him.

00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:16.599
 Infant

00:51:16.599 --> 00:51:16.980
 baptism

00:51:16.980 --> 00:51:18.780
 stresses the

00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:19.480
 objectivity of

00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:19.840
 the gospel.

00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:21.099
 It points to

00:51:21.099 --> 00:51:21.500
 the solid

00:51:21.500 --> 00:51:22.079
 achievement of

00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:22.780
 Christ crucified

00:51:22.780 --> 00:51:23.280
 and risen,

00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:24.380
 whether or not

00:51:24.380 --> 00:51:25.139
 we respond to

00:51:25.139 --> 00:51:25.380
 it,

00:51:25.739 --> 00:51:26.239
 not that we

00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:26.880
 gain anything

00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:27.659
 from it unless

00:51:27.659 --> 00:51:28.280
 we repent and

00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:28.559
 believe.

00:51:29.019 --> 00:51:29.539
 I agree with

00:51:29.539 --> 00:51:29.699
 that.

00:51:30.019 --> 00:51:30.639
 But it is the

00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:30.940
 standing

00:51:30.940 --> 00:51:31.699
 demonstration that

00:51:31.699 --> 00:51:32.199
 our salvation

00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:32.619
 does not

00:51:32.619 --> 00:51:33.139
 depend on our

00:51:33.139 --> 00:51:33.780
 own very

00:51:33.780 --> 00:51:34.619
 fallible faith,

00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:35.460
 it depends on

00:51:35.460 --> 00:51:36.119
 what God has

00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:37.000
 done for us.

00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:37.940
 Infant

00:51:37.940 --> 00:51:38.320
 baptism

00:51:38.320 --> 00:51:39.099
 stresses the

00:51:39.099 --> 00:51:39.679
 initiative of

00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:40.079
 God and

00:51:40.079 --> 00:51:40.539
 salvation,

00:51:40.980 --> 00:51:41.400
 should it be

00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:42.260
 attached primarily

00:51:42.260 --> 00:51:42.900
 to man's

00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:43.659
 response or

00:51:43.659 --> 00:51:44.099
 to God's

00:51:44.099 --> 00:51:44.440
 initiative?

00:51:46.059 --> 00:51:46.920
 That is the

00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:47.539
 heart of the

00:51:47.539 --> 00:51:47.980
 question.

00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:49.059
 For the

00:51:49.059 --> 00:51:49.400
 Baptist,

00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:51.300
 baptism primarily

00:51:51.300 --> 00:51:52.159
 bears witness to

00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:52.940
 what we do in

00:51:52.940 --> 00:51:54.119
 responding to

00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:54.719
 the grace of

00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:55.119
 God.

00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:56.599
 For the

00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:57.139
 paedo-baptist,

00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:57.800
 it primarily bears

00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:58.239
 the witness to

00:51:58.239 --> 00:51:58.820
 what God has

00:51:58.820 --> 00:51:59.699
 done to make

00:51:59.699 --> 00:52:00.239
 it all

00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:01.000
 possible.

00:52:01.659 --> 00:52:02.380
 Wrong!

00:52:03.099 --> 00:52:03.840
 That is not

00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:04.500
 what we do when

00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:05.039
 we baptize

00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:05.440
 somebody.

00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:06.220
 We are not

00:52:06.220 --> 00:52:07.260
 applauding the

00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:08.119
 person baptized.

00:52:08.260 --> 00:52:09.039
 Good for you.

00:52:09.200 --> 00:52:09.760
 You chose

00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:10.280
 faith in

00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:10.820
 Christ.

00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:12.360
 Exalt you.

00:52:12.500 --> 00:52:13.179
 Exalt you.

00:52:13.420 --> 00:52:14.260
 Not at all.

00:52:14.900 --> 00:52:15.320
 We are praising

00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:15.900
 God for what

00:52:15.900 --> 00:52:16.619
 He has done,

00:52:16.700 --> 00:52:17.300
 what He has

00:52:17.300 --> 00:52:18.079
 accomplished in

00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:18.720
 that person.

00:52:19.200 --> 00:52:20.320
 We know you are

00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:20.860
 a Christian.

00:52:21.019 --> 00:52:21.320
 You have

00:52:21.320 --> 00:52:22.559
 professed faith.

00:52:23.200 --> 00:52:23.920
 Let's see what

00:52:23.920 --> 00:52:24.760
 that looks like.

00:52:24.860 --> 00:52:25.619
 Let's get our

00:52:25.619 --> 00:52:26.599
 minds around it

00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:27.960
 by burying

00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:29.139
 you and

00:52:29.139 --> 00:52:30.039
 raising you

00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:31.200
 once again.

00:52:32.059 --> 00:52:32.860
 Michael Green

00:52:32.860 --> 00:52:33.599
 needs to sit

00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:34.340
 down with me.

00:52:34.340 --> 00:52:35.519
 This is a

00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:36.400
 horrible explanation

00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:37.220
 of what we

00:52:37.220 --> 00:52:37.900
 believe baptism

00:52:37.900 --> 00:52:38.740
 to emphasize.

00:52:41.140 --> 00:52:41.880
 Now as a

00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:42.539
 separate but

00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:43.559
 really inextricably

00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:44.420
 tied issue is

00:52:44.420 --> 00:52:44.880
 the confusion

00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:45.300
 about the

00:52:45.300 --> 00:52:45.700
 mode of

00:52:45.700 --> 00:52:46.160
 baptism.

00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:47.700
 I will tell

00:52:47.700 --> 00:52:47.920
 you, this

00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:48.240
 is not a

00:52:48.240 --> 00:52:48.539
 hill I am

00:52:48.539 --> 00:52:48.680
 going to

00:52:48.680 --> 00:52:49.079
 die on.

00:52:49.780 --> 00:52:50.240
 I would

00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:50.720
 not do

00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:50.980
 it.

00:52:51.460 --> 00:52:52.380
 However, we

00:52:52.380 --> 00:52:53.480
 baptize by

00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:54.579
 immersion and

00:52:54.579 --> 00:52:55.380
 we do so

00:52:55.380 --> 00:52:56.039
 for two

00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:56.539
 reasons.

00:52:57.380 --> 00:52:58.079
 For what we

00:52:58.079 --> 00:52:58.460
 believe the

00:52:58.460 --> 00:52:58.880
 ordinance of

00:52:58.880 --> 00:52:59.180
 baptism

00:52:59.180 --> 00:53:00.120
 represents.

00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:01.480
 That is our

00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:02.059
 death.

00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:03.019
 I have said

00:53:03.019 --> 00:53:03.440
 to you before,

00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:03.780
 I will say

00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:04.099
 it to you

00:53:04.099 --> 00:53:04.460
 again.

00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:05.240
 If our

00:53:05.240 --> 00:53:06.920
 culture as

00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:08.119
 a whole begins

00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:08.800
 laying people

00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:09.119
 out on the

00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:09.420
 ground when

00:53:09.420 --> 00:53:10.300
 they die and

00:53:10.300 --> 00:53:10.780
 tossing a

00:53:10.780 --> 00:53:11.240
 handful of

00:53:11.240 --> 00:53:11.500
 dirt in

00:53:11.500 --> 00:53:12.599
 their face and

00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:13.420
 walking away,

00:53:13.579 --> 00:53:14.119
 this is the

00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:15.400
 way we expose

00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:16.220
 of dead

00:53:16.220 --> 00:53:17.240
 people, we

00:53:17.240 --> 00:53:18.099
 may reconsider

00:53:18.099 --> 00:53:19.300
 the way that

00:53:19.300 --> 00:53:20.019
 we baptize

00:53:20.019 --> 00:53:20.159
 people.

00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:20.619
 Maybe.

00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:21.880
 Wait till you

00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:22.200
 get to my

00:53:22.200 --> 00:53:22.659
 second point.

00:53:23.179 --> 00:53:24.440
 But just by

00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:25.079
 this one point,

00:53:25.200 --> 00:53:25.940
 maybe we would

00:53:25.940 --> 00:53:26.639
 consider that.

00:53:26.740 --> 00:53:27.179
 But what do we

00:53:27.179 --> 00:53:27.679
 do with dead

00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:28.000
 people?

00:53:28.099 --> 00:53:29.119
 They are buried.

00:53:30.220 --> 00:53:30.840
 Even if they are

00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:31.280
 not buried,

00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:31.800
 they are in

00:53:31.800 --> 00:53:32.220
 tomb.

00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:32.680
 You keep

00:53:32.680 --> 00:53:33.360
 dead bodies

00:53:33.360 --> 00:53:33.840
 away from

00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:34.500
 animals.

00:53:35.300 --> 00:53:35.560
 Let them

00:53:35.560 --> 00:53:36.260
 decompose at

00:53:36.260 --> 00:53:36.840
 their own

00:53:36.840 --> 00:53:37.920
 happy rate.

00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:38.920
 This is the

00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:39.580
 way that people

00:53:39.580 --> 00:53:40.760
 are dealt

00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:41.700
 with when

00:53:41.700 --> 00:53:42.060
 they die.

00:53:42.160 --> 00:53:42.480
 I've got to

00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:42.820
 tell you,

00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:43.720
 we've got a

00:53:43.720 --> 00:53:44.180
 cattle trough.

00:53:44.300 --> 00:53:44.780
 If you haven't

00:53:44.780 --> 00:53:45.160
 been here long,

00:53:45.200 --> 00:53:45.420
 we have a

00:53:45.420 --> 00:53:46.019
 cattle trough we

00:53:46.019 --> 00:53:46.420
 bring out and

00:53:46.420 --> 00:53:46.700
 we put it

00:53:46.700 --> 00:53:47.140
 right here.

00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:47.980
 It is a

00:53:47.980 --> 00:53:48.660
 pain in the

00:53:48.660 --> 00:53:48.880
 rear.

00:53:49.019 --> 00:53:49.360
 I've done

00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:49.720
 it each

00:53:49.720 --> 00:53:50.060
 time.

00:53:50.360 --> 00:53:50.620
 I have

00:53:50.620 --> 00:53:51.140
 flooded our

00:53:51.140 --> 00:53:52.180
 stage twice

00:53:52.180 --> 00:53:52.960
 and spent

00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.360
 hours cleaning

00:53:54.360 --> 00:53:54.720
 up the

00:53:54.720 --> 00:53:55.019
 water.

00:53:55.660 --> 00:53:56.200
 It's a

00:53:56.200 --> 00:53:56.539
 pain.

00:53:56.820 --> 00:53:57.420
 It really,

00:53:57.680 --> 00:53:58.240
 really is.

00:53:58.400 --> 00:53:58.920
 It's heavy.

00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:00.639
 I had to

00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:01.480
 devise a

00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:02.260
 complicated hose

00:54:02.260 --> 00:54:02.920
 system to

00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:03.360
 fill it.

00:54:03.940 --> 00:54:04.539
 We've got to

00:54:04.539 --> 00:54:05.260
 spread plastic

00:54:05.260 --> 00:54:05.960
 out all over

00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:06.420
 the place.

00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:07.039
 It is worth

00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:07.420
 the trouble

00:54:07.420 --> 00:54:07.659
 though.

00:54:07.920 --> 00:54:08.559
 It is worth

00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:08.940
 the trouble

00:54:08.940 --> 00:54:09.420
 because of the

00:54:09.420 --> 00:54:10.240
 picture and

00:54:10.240 --> 00:54:10.599
 what it

00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:11.180
 represents.

00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:11.559
 That's the

00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:11.900
 first reason.

00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:12.500
 Secondly,

00:54:12.619 --> 00:54:12.800
 though,

00:54:13.180 --> 00:54:13.619
 the Greek

00:54:13.619 --> 00:54:14.200
 word from

00:54:14.200 --> 00:54:14.500
 which we

00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:15.059
 derive our

00:54:15.059 --> 00:54:15.599
 English,

00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:16.700
 baptize or

00:54:16.700 --> 00:54:17.460
 baptist,

00:54:18.159 --> 00:54:19.019
 is baptizo,

00:54:20.019 --> 00:54:20.659
 which means,

00:54:20.740 --> 00:54:21.320
 catch this,

00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:22.000
 which means

00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:22.920
 not to

00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:23.340
 wash.

00:54:24.240 --> 00:54:24.860
 Not to

00:54:24.860 --> 00:54:25.140
 wash.

00:54:25.200 --> 00:54:25.720
 It means to

00:54:25.720 --> 00:54:26.720
 dunk repeatedly

00:54:26.720 --> 00:54:28.180
 and in a

00:54:28.180 --> 00:54:28.640
 number of

00:54:28.640 --> 00:54:29.240
 cases it's

00:54:29.240 --> 00:54:30.380
 used for

00:54:30.380 --> 00:54:30.960
 drown,

00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:33.460
 immerse,

00:54:34.240 --> 00:54:35.440
 go underwater.

00:54:36.900 --> 00:54:37.340
 Now,

00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:37.980
 you see a

00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:38.340
 couple of

00:54:38.340 --> 00:54:38.800
 cases in

00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:39.780
 the Bible.

00:54:39.900 --> 00:54:40.100
 We see

00:54:40.100 --> 00:54:40.400
 Jesus,

00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:40.880
 Mark chapter

00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:41.140
 1,

00:54:41.200 --> 00:54:41.860
 goes down

00:54:41.860 --> 00:54:42.200
 into the

00:54:42.200 --> 00:54:42.640
 water when

00:54:42.640 --> 00:54:43.160
 he comes

00:54:43.160 --> 00:54:43.800
 back up.

00:54:44.100 --> 00:54:44.380
 It's

00:54:44.380 --> 00:54:44.860
 possible,

00:54:45.180 --> 00:54:45.840
 and many

00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:46.440
 paedo-baptists

00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:46.740
 argue,

00:54:46.860 --> 00:54:47.100
 that he

00:54:47.100 --> 00:54:47.800
 simply walked

00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:48.360
 down to

00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:48.780
 the water.

00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:49.140
 That's where

00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:49.460
 the water

00:54:49.460 --> 00:54:49.840
 was at.

00:54:49.900 --> 00:54:50.280
 He walked

00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:50.660
 down to

00:54:50.660 --> 00:54:50.780
 it.

00:54:51.000 --> 00:54:51.420
 He walked

00:54:51.420 --> 00:54:51.880
 back up.

00:54:52.120 --> 00:54:52.480
 Maybe he

00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:52.960
 was standing

00:54:52.960 --> 00:54:53.220
 in the

00:54:53.220 --> 00:54:53.480
 water.

00:54:53.679 --> 00:54:54.079
 Possibly

00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:54.220
 it was

00:54:54.220 --> 00:54:54.340
 a little

00:54:54.340 --> 00:54:54.820
 bit easier

00:54:54.820 --> 00:54:55.619
 to sprinkle

00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:56.380
 in that

00:54:56.380 --> 00:54:56.699
 way.

00:54:57.740 --> 00:54:58.360
 But the

00:54:58.360 --> 00:54:58.900
 word

00:54:58.900 --> 00:54:59.980
 baptizo

00:54:59.980 --> 00:55:00.720
 means to

00:55:00.720 --> 00:55:01.139
 dunk,

00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:02.000
 dunk

00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:02.420
 repeatedly,

00:55:02.659 --> 00:55:03.460
 or to

00:55:03.460 --> 00:55:03.880
 drown.

00:55:04.659 --> 00:55:04.920
 And to

00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:05.199
 add,

00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:05.639
 to heap

00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:06.460
 upon that,

00:55:08.059 --> 00:55:08.340
 Martin

00:55:08.340 --> 00:55:08.659
 Luther,

00:55:09.059 --> 00:55:09.420
 again,

00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:10.380
 our famed

00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:10.679
 Protestant

00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:11.179
 Reformer,

00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:11.539
 said,

00:55:11.980 --> 00:55:12.139
 in the

00:55:12.139 --> 00:55:12.360
 primitive

00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:12.840
 church,

00:55:13.340 --> 00:55:13.639
 baptism

00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:14.240
 was a

00:55:14.240 --> 00:55:14.679
 total

00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:15.179
 immersion,

00:55:15.780 --> 00:55:16.420
 or burial,

00:55:16.720 --> 00:55:17.000
 as it

00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:17.240
 were.

00:55:18.220 --> 00:55:18.559
 John

00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:18.940
 Calvin,

00:55:19.420 --> 00:55:20.119
 Presbyterian,

00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:20.480
 says,

00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:21.699
 baptizo

00:55:21.699 --> 00:55:22.780
 signifies

00:55:22.780 --> 00:55:23.540
 to

00:55:23.540 --> 00:55:24.460
 immerse.

00:55:25.080 --> 00:55:25.300
 And it

00:55:25.300 --> 00:55:25.820
 is certain

00:55:25.820 --> 00:55:26.060
 that

00:55:26.060 --> 00:55:26.420
 immersion

00:55:26.420 --> 00:55:26.780
 was the

00:55:26.780 --> 00:55:27.280
 practice

00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:27.740
 of the

00:55:27.740 --> 00:55:28.019
 primitive

00:55:28.019 --> 00:55:28.600
 church.

00:55:29.500 --> 00:55:29.740
 Philip

00:55:29.740 --> 00:55:30.120
 Sheff,

00:55:30.400 --> 00:55:30.880
 a 19th

00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:31.120
 century

00:55:31.120 --> 00:55:31.640
 Presbyterian

00:55:31.640 --> 00:55:32.160
 theologian

00:55:32.160 --> 00:55:32.660
 and church

00:55:32.660 --> 00:55:33.000
 historian,

00:55:33.160 --> 00:55:33.340
 said,

00:55:33.460 --> 00:55:33.800
 immersion

00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:34.580
 was

00:55:34.580 --> 00:55:36.160
 unquestionably

00:55:36.160 --> 00:55:37.040
 the original

00:55:37.040 --> 00:55:38.760
 form of

00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:39.100
 baptism.

00:55:40.220 --> 00:55:40.820
 So somewhere

00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:41.420
 along the

00:55:41.420 --> 00:55:41.640
 way,

00:55:41.740 --> 00:55:42.000
 somewhere

00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:42.500
 throughout

00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:43.060
 history,

00:55:43.200 --> 00:55:43.380
 someone

00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:43.980
 figured it

00:55:43.980 --> 00:55:44.760
 out and

00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:45.080
 got it

00:55:45.080 --> 00:55:45.760
 right and

00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:46.080
 got it

00:55:46.080 --> 00:55:47.440
 better than

00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:47.760
 the early

00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:48.120
 church,

00:55:48.220 --> 00:55:48.840
 seemed to

00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:49.800
 understand it,

00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:51.300
 even apart

00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:51.840
 from what

00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:52.180
 the very

00:55:52.180 --> 00:55:52.580
 word

00:55:52.580 --> 00:55:53.340
 itself

00:55:53.340 --> 00:55:54.900
 means.

00:55:57.100 --> 00:55:57.600
 So I

00:55:57.600 --> 00:55:57.880
 think it

00:55:57.880 --> 00:55:58.380
 confuses our

00:55:58.380 --> 00:55:58.700
 belief in

00:55:58.700 --> 00:55:59.100
 the sufficienting

00:55:59.100 --> 00:55:59.400
 of scripture.

00:55:59.900 --> 00:56:00.280
 I think it

00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:00.700
 confuses the

00:56:00.700 --> 00:56:00.960
 nature of

00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:01.200
 the church.

00:56:01.280 --> 00:56:01.500
 I think it

00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:01.920
 confuses the

00:56:01.920 --> 00:56:02.680
 meaning of

00:56:02.680 --> 00:56:02.900
 believers'

00:56:03.039 --> 00:56:03.320
 baptism.

00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:03.900
 I think for

00:56:03.900 --> 00:56:04.300
 all these

00:56:04.300 --> 00:56:04.780
 reasons,

00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:05.240
 while it's

00:56:05.240 --> 00:56:05.780
 not the

00:56:05.780 --> 00:56:06.180
 gospel,

00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:07.380
 it's an

00:56:07.380 --> 00:56:07.780
 obedient

00:56:07.780 --> 00:56:08.680
 response

00:56:08.680 --> 00:56:09.780
 to the

00:56:09.780 --> 00:56:10.140
 gospel.

00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:11.340
 What are we

00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:11.760
 commanded to

00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:12.060
 do in the

00:56:12.060 --> 00:56:12.200
 Great

00:56:12.200 --> 00:56:12.539
 Commission?

00:56:12.940 --> 00:56:13.360
 Go and

00:56:13.360 --> 00:56:13.560
 make

00:56:13.560 --> 00:56:14.180
 disciples of

00:56:14.180 --> 00:56:14.640
 all nations,

00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:15.340
 baptizing them

00:56:15.340 --> 00:56:17.480
 teaching them

00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:18.800
 all that I

00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:20.079
 have commanded

00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:20.380
 you.

00:56:21.240 --> 00:56:21.840
 This is no

00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:22.120
 different.

00:56:22.200 --> 00:56:22.559
 This is a

00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:23.000
 doctrine that

00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:23.620
 should not

00:56:23.620 --> 00:56:24.920
 be neglected.

00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:25.680
 This is

00:56:25.680 --> 00:56:26.180
 something that

00:56:26.180 --> 00:56:26.660
 you should

00:56:26.660 --> 00:56:28.059
 find out

00:56:28.059 --> 00:56:28.480
 what you

00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:28.840
 believe.

00:56:29.000 --> 00:56:29.519
 Search the

00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:30.760
 scriptures for

00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:30.860
 it.

00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:31.420
 I hope I've

00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:32.200
 made a case

00:56:32.200 --> 00:56:33.019
 for you to

00:56:33.019 --> 00:56:33.260
 be a

00:56:33.260 --> 00:56:33.960
 credo-baptist

00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:34.700
 today.

00:56:35.380 --> 00:56:35.720
 Wrap your

00:56:35.720 --> 00:56:36.500
 hands around

00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:36.760
 it.

00:56:37.140 --> 00:56:37.620
 Fellowship

00:56:37.620 --> 00:56:38.220
 with those

00:56:38.220 --> 00:56:38.940
 who agree

00:56:38.940 --> 00:56:39.260
 with you

00:56:39.260 --> 00:56:40.400
 because we

00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.400
 honor the

00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.160
 gospel when

00:56:43.160 --> 00:56:43.740
 we do so.

00:56:43.739 --> 00:56:45.519
 why would

00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:45.859
 we believe

00:56:45.859 --> 00:56:46.019
 in a

00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:46.259
 doctrine

00:56:46.259 --> 00:56:46.559
 that's not

00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:46.779
 anywhere

00:56:46.779 --> 00:56:47.159
 explicitly

00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:47.519
 taught in

00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:47.599
 the

00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:47.839
 scriptures?

00:56:49.959 --> 00:56:50.659
 As I've

00:56:50.659 --> 00:56:50.939
 argued,

00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:51.559
 cannot be

00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:52.159
 arrived at

00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:53.399
 by plain

00:56:53.399 --> 00:56:53.879
 reason and

00:56:53.879 --> 00:56:54.659
 that confuses

00:56:54.659 --> 00:56:56.739
 so much.

00:56:57.699 --> 00:56:58.019
 It is a

00:56:58.019 --> 00:56:58.739
 precious

00:56:58.739 --> 00:56:59.859
 ordinance.

00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:01.319
 If you

00:57:01.319 --> 00:57:01.839
 have not

00:57:01.839 --> 00:57:02.359
 been baptized

00:57:02.359 --> 00:57:02.739
 as a

00:57:02.739 --> 00:57:03.000
 believer,

00:57:03.139 --> 00:57:03.439
 you should

00:57:03.439 --> 00:57:04.000
 do so.

00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:04.939
 What a

00:57:04.939 --> 00:57:05.339
 wonderful

00:57:05.339 --> 00:57:05.799
 thing to

00:57:05.799 --> 00:57:06.579
 celebrate in

00:57:06.579 --> 00:57:06.859
 with the

00:57:06.859 --> 00:57:07.199
 church of

00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:07.479
 God.

00:57:07.959 --> 00:57:08.639
 What God

00:57:08.639 --> 00:57:09.259
 has done

00:57:09.259 --> 00:57:09.839
 in your

00:57:09.839 --> 00:57:10.239
 life.

00:57:10.579 --> 00:57:10.739
 His

00:57:10.739 --> 00:57:11.119
 initiative,

00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:11.719
 His

00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:12.099
 work,

00:57:12.759 --> 00:57:13.019
 His

00:57:13.019 --> 00:57:13.579
 accomplishment,

00:57:13.739 --> 00:57:16.479
 if you

00:57:16.479 --> 00:57:16.819
 don't know

00:57:16.819 --> 00:57:17.079
 where you

00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:17.579
 stand on

00:57:17.579 --> 00:57:17.919
 this,

00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:19.299
 if you're

00:57:19.299 --> 00:57:19.879
 shaky on

00:57:19.879 --> 00:57:20.279
 the matter,

00:57:21.339 --> 00:57:21.939
 study your

00:57:21.939 --> 00:57:22.539
 Bible and

00:57:22.539 --> 00:57:23.739
 pray that

00:57:23.739 --> 00:57:24.019
 God would

00:57:24.019 --> 00:57:24.479
 reveal the

00:57:24.479 --> 00:57:24.879
 truth to

00:57:24.879 --> 00:57:25.119
 you.

00:57:25.839 --> 00:57:26.219
 If you

00:57:26.219 --> 00:57:26.559
 come out

00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:26.719
 at the

00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:26.919
 end of

00:57:26.919 --> 00:57:27.199
 that as

00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:27.299
 a

00:57:27.299 --> 00:57:27.859
 paedo-baptist,

00:57:27.939 --> 00:57:28.179
 I will

00:57:28.179 --> 00:57:28.459
 give you

00:57:28.459 --> 00:57:28.899
 a big

00:57:28.899 --> 00:57:29.299
 hug.

00:57:30.059 --> 00:57:30.439
 We can

00:57:30.439 --> 00:57:30.899
 fellowship

00:57:30.899 --> 00:57:31.279
 with one

00:57:31.279 --> 00:57:31.859
 another in

00:57:31.859 --> 00:57:32.500
 reaching this

00:57:32.500 --> 00:57:32.939
 community.

00:57:33.439 --> 00:57:33.739
 We can

00:57:33.739 --> 00:57:34.239
 preach the

00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:35.199
 gospel side

00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:35.839
 by side.

00:57:35.919 --> 00:57:36.159
 I will

00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:36.699
 link arms

00:57:36.699 --> 00:57:36.959
 with you

00:57:36.959 --> 00:57:37.479
 in so

00:57:37.479 --> 00:57:38.000
 many

00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:38.959
 respects,

00:57:39.099 --> 00:57:39.319
 but you

00:57:39.319 --> 00:57:39.659
 shouldn't

00:57:39.659 --> 00:57:40.179
 be part

00:57:40.179 --> 00:57:40.479
 of a

00:57:40.479 --> 00:57:40.799
 Baptist

00:57:40.799 --> 00:57:41.399
 church.

00:57:42.399 --> 00:57:42.719
 You

00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:42.899
 just

00:57:42.899 --> 00:57:43.259
 shouldn't.

00:57:44.179 --> 00:57:44.500
 Let's

00:57:44.500 --> 00:57:44.619
 pray

00:57:44.619 --> 00:57:44.839
 together.

00:57:44.839 --> 00:57:45.239
 Let's

00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:44.879
 pray together.

00:57:44.879 --> 00:57:45.579
 Let's

00:57:45.579 --> 00:57:44.879
 pray together.

00:57:44.879 --> 00:57:45.579
 Let's

00:57:45.579 --> 00:57:44.919
 pray together.

00:57:44.919 --> 00:57:45.579
 Let's

00:57:45.579 --> 00:57:45.859
 pray together.

00:57:45.859 --> 00:57:45.859


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