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 I would have, I had a real problem with Christianity, and I was quite confident that my Harrison

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! Cambridge undergraduate often is, and I even wrote a poem to express my contempt for Christianity.

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! Now you need to understand that I was studying science, not English, and so my poem isn't very

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 good, but I can still remember it, and it went like this. Some folks seem to find it odd that

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 people grow from tiny cells. Pathetic, those who think of God, and still got coins in wishing

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 wells. There we are, that was my picture. But it just shows you something of my mindset,

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 and I guess lots of people's mindset today about Christianity. It must be that people

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 didn't understand about the basics of biology. You know, they still thought things were magic

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 or miraculous, but we just knew how they happened. They didn't understand about people growing

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 themselves. They were still superstitious in the way that people throw their money into

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 a well and make a wish. That's what I thought Christians must be like. I mean, sure, people

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 used to think that God made it rain with a big watering can in the sky. But then we understood

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 about evaporation and condensation of the water cycle. People used to think that people got

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 ill because of demons, and got better because of God. But then we came to understand about

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 viruses and antibodies, and we could explain it. And so surely nowadays, now that we've

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 put man on the moon, and we've sequenced the human DNA, surely it was time to forget about

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 these naive, superstitious ideas about God and angels and invisible things, and write them

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 off. So that was what I thought when I was 18, and I was quite constant about that, and went

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 around telling everyone my poem. I know I really did. It's quite sad, but yes. But then, just

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 a short time after that, I became a Christian. And it was a result, really, of meeting Christians

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 at university who just didn't conform to my stereotype. If you asked me what I thought about Christians,

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 I would have said, Christians are gullible hypocrites. They're gullible because they don't understand

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 science, and they're hypocrites because they don't live it out. Because I'd been to a church

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 when I was growing up, where people were kind of religious on Sunday, and then just did their

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 own thing, the same as everyone else, midweek. And as a 16-year-old, I find that really hard

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 to stomach. It just seemed very fake to me. And I think it is fake, even now. But then

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 when I was at university, I met some people who were neither of those things. They weren't

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 hypocrites, because for the first time I met people who actually lived the way that Jesus

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 taught, or tried to live that way. And it was just quite striking. Just noticed the

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 way that they were very different. Now, that didn't make it true, of course, just because

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 they're nice doesn't mean everything they think is true. But it did make me want to know

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 what's going on. You know, why do you live so differently? Why are you like this? And

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 I got talking to them, and then I discovered that they weren't naive or gullible. That they

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 had actual reasons for what they believed about Jesus. And that was a surprise to me, because

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 I'd never realised that there were any reasons for believing in Christianity before. Anyway,

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 to cut a long story short, I went on the run. I didn't want to become a Christian. I thought

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 it would ruin my life. I tried to hide from it all. That didn't work. I got converted.

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 I stopped writing poetry. And now I'm a believer. But I continued to do science, and as Paul said,

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 I went on for the years, and gave a little bit of my early 20s to that. But now a Christian,

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 but still a scientist, both and. And actually, it turns out there were lots of other people

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 in the same category. Lots of other scientists who, at the same time, were Christians. That's

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 certainly true of the history of science. So I'm going to give you some scientist names.

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 You've got to see if you know what they're famous for. Okay, so it's a bit interactive.

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 So we'll start with an easy one. Isaac Newton. What does Isaac Newton do? Anyone?

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 Gravity. Yeah, okay. Gravity. Lots of things. But gravity, one of his most famous. Also,

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 a firm believer in God. In fact, he thought that his book about the Bible book of Daniel

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 was more important than his book about gravity, because he really cared about knowing God properly.

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 Harder one, Johannes Kepler.

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 Astronomer. Astronomer. Very good. Interplanetary motion. He was looking at how the planets related

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 to each other, how they moved. He once said that he thought he was thinking God's thoughts

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 after him, as he investigated how God had made the universe work.

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 Another tricky one. Robert Boyle. Did anyone do Boyle's laws at school? Those gas laws?

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 Laws about gas. Committee of Christian. Michael Faraday.

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 Electricity. Yeah. Or Louis Pasteur.

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 Microbiology. In fact, discovered the bacteria.

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 Or another one. Charles Babbage.

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 Difficult one. First mechanical computer. Yeah.

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 Kind of pre-electronic computer. Very good.

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 So, of all those people, element scientists in their day, but also, at the same time, committed

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 Christians.

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 Now, that's all very well, but actually, according to one historian of science, Alfred North Whitehead,

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 there's actually a connection between those two things.

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 So, he wrote that man became scientific because he looked for law in nature.

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 He looked for order in the way the world worked.

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 But, he looked for law in nature because he believed in a law giver.

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 In other words, it was because of the belief that the world that we live in had been ordered

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 by an intelligent mind that made people start to investigate it intelligently.

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 They thought God has put this world together in a way that we should investigate.

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 So, it was because they believed in a God who made everything that they thought it was

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 worth investigating scientifically.

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 And that's how science got started.

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 I think it's doubtful that if people believed, as some people believe today, that the world

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 is essentially random, that people would have bothered trying to understand what they thought

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 was going to be essentially random.

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 And they didn't think it was essentially random.

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 They thought it was created by an intelligent God.

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 And they thought, so let's intelligently try to investigate.

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 That was, arguably, how modern science came about because people believed in a creator.

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 But you might say, well, okay, that was in the 16th, 17th century.

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 What about the 21st century?

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 Well, interestingly, although there are some famous atheist scientists like Richard Dawkins,

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 Stephen Hawking, you've maybe heard of.

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 And there were also some eminent scientists who are Christians.

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 So, I became a Christian in Cambridge.

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 I went to church the first Sunday after I became a Christian.

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 And I sat down next to a man with a big beard who, appropriately enough,

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 he had a professorial beard, appropriately enough, he was a professor.

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 And it turned out he was a professor of geophysics at Cambridge University,

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 Professor Bob White, in church with me.

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 Oh, that's odd.

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 Turns out he's one of the elders of the church.

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 Then I got talking to my next neighbor, Halls.

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 He was doing geology.

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 He was supervised by a guy called Professor Simon Conway-Morris,

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 a professor of paleontology, dinosaurs, that kind of thing.

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 Turned out he's also a Christian.

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 Isn't that strange?

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 Because people today tell you that you can't believe in the Bible because of the dinosaurs.

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 But Professor Conway-Morris knows more about dinosaurs than almost anyone else on the planet.

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 And somehow he's a Christian.

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 He believes the Bible.

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 Doesn't seem to be this kind of either or crass that you read about.

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 Okay, that's geology.

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 What about microbiology?

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 What about evolution and all that kind of stuff?

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 Well, you may know that the same year that Richard Dawkins published his book,

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 The God Delusion,

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 the same year, Francis Collins,

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 the director of the Human Genome Project,

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 that's the international group that was trying to work out the human DNA sequence,

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 he published his book,

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 The Language of God,

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 in which he explained his faith in Jesus Christ.

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 So I just want to say that in the past and in the present,

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 there were many scientists who were also Christians,

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 or Christians who were also scientists.

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 It seems to be possible to hold both together.

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 But all the time in the media,

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 we're reading that it's got to be an either or.

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 You've got to be a scientist or you've got to be a Christian.

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 And that kind of polarisation.

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 And I want to suggest today,

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 and this is maybe the most important thing I'm going to say,

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 I want to suggest there is an either or.

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 But the either or, the battle,

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 is not between Christianity on the one hand,

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 and science on the other.

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 Rather, the conflict is between two different philosophies.

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 Two different views of the world.

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 Two different religions,

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 if I can put it that way.

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 Now, Richard Dawkins would get very annoyed

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 if he heard me describing his position as a religion.

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 But in some ways, it's interesting just how quasi-religious it is.

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 If you read The God Delusion,

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 and underline the number of times he says,

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 I believe something,

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 without giving any scientific reason for it,

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 it's just quite illuminating.

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 Or the kind of,

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 I think there was a campaign recently to,

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 they wanted to book The God Delusion in hotel floors,

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 and they liked the Gibeon suit.

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 And then they wanted to have atheist summer camps,

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 the way that we had Christian summer camps,

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 that kind of thing.

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 It is kind of religious in its attitude.

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 So I want to suggest that on the one hand,

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 atheism or naturalism,

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 and on the other hand, Christianity,

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 they are opposed to each other.

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 But science is not arguably sense.

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 Science is just a kind of way of investigating the world.

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 And we're going to have to decide in this talk,

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 whether science fits better with atheism,

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 or whether science fits better with Christianity.

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 So firstly, what I'm going to do is outline these two views,

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 and then we're going to try and compare them

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 by looking at the evidence,

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 which is what any scientist ought to want to do.

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 So firstly, here's the view of naturalism,

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 or atheism.

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 This is the world view that says that matter,

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 and chance,

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 is all that there is.

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 So, for example,

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 in the words of Bertrand Russell,

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 the philosopher,

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 he said,

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 mankind is nothing but

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 a chance collocation of atoms

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 on a minus speck of interstellar dust.

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 That's all you are.

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 Or, I think that's quite depressing,

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 but you can go more depressing

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 if you cross the channel

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 and you ask the French existentialist philosopher,

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 Jean-Paul Sartre,

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 what he thinks.

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 He puts it this way.

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 I'm interested in French,

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 but this is the translation.

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 He says this,

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 every living creature

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 was born without reason,

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 prolongs itself out of weakness,

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 and dies by chance.

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 Thanks.

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 You know,

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 you can imagine

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 this could be a fun guy

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 to have back for dinner.

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 But everything is just random.

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 It just happened by accident,

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 without any purpose to it.

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 Or in my own field of neuroscience,

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 Francis Crick,

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 the Nobel Prize winner,

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 he once said this,

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 he said,

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 you,

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 he puts it in inverted commas,

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 because he doesn't really believe in

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 persons,

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 or personality,

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 you,

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 your joys and your sorrows,

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 your sense of personal ambition,

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 and free will,

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 your memories and your hopes,

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 are in fact,

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 no more than,

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 the behaviour of a vast assembly

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 of nerve cells,

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 and their associated molecules.

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 Now,

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 I was a neuroscientist,

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 I do believe that there are nerve cells

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 in your brain,

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 and that the movement of electrons

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 around those nerve cells

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 are involved with how you think.

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 I think that's fair.

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 But a quantifier,

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 Francis Crick,

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 the words are,

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 you are no more than.

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 That's the key word.

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 It's reductionism.

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 You are nothing but,

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 Bertrand Russell says,

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 a chance collocation of atoms.

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 Now,

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 that view of the world

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 is very different

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 to the Christian view of the world.

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 And I'm going to now,

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 outline the Christian view,

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 and I thought I would do it

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 by using some words,

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 actually from the Bible,

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 so that you know I'm giving you

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 kind of God's version,

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 rather than just kind of

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 my twisted version of Christianity.

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 And I'm going to read

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 from page 926.

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 If you've got a Bible

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 and you can find it,

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 that would be helpful,

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 just as a reference point.

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 So,

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 turn to page 926,

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 926.

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 Some of you will know

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 this passage well,

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 others won't know it at all.

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 So,

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 this is a speech that

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 one of Jesus' followers,

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 called Paul,

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 gave in Athens

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 in the first century

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 to a group of,

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 we're told,

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 Epicurean and Steric philosophers.

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 Verse 18.

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 Now,

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 I don't know much about that,

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 but I looked up

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 in a dictionary of philosophy

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 about Epicureanism,

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 and apparently the Epicureans

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 believed that the gods

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 were not involved

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 in human life.

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 They were remote,

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 distant.

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 But basically,

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 human life was due to chance,

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 randomly.

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 things.

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 And that when you died,

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 that was it.

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 There was no afterlife.

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 So,

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 in some ways,

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 Epicureans believed the same

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 as modern day atheists.

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 Not exactly,

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 but roughly the same.

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 And so,

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 here is Paul

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 trying to explain to them

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 what is different

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 about Christianity

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 compared with what they thought.

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 And I'm going to read

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 from verse 24,

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 so that little number 24,

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 at the bottom

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 of the right hand column

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 of page 96.

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 The gods who made the world,

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 and everything in it,

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 being Lord of heaven and earth,

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 doesn't dwell in temples

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 made by man,

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 nor is he served by human hands

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 as though he needed anything,

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 since he himself

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 gives to all mankind

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 life and breath

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 and everything.

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 And he made from one man

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 every nation of mankind

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 to live on all the face

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 of the earth,

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 having determined

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 their allotted periods

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 and the boundaries

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 of their dwelling place,

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 that they should seek God

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 and perhaps feel their way

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 towards him

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 and find him.

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 Yet he's actually not far

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 from each one of us,

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 for in him we live

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 and move

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 and have our being.

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 As some of your own parents

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 have said,

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 we are his offspring.

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 Being then God's offspring,

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 we ought not to think

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 that the divine being

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 is like gold

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 or silver

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 or stone,

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 an image formed

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 by the art

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 and imagination

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 of man.

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 The times of ignorance

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 God overlooked,

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 but now he commands

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 all people everywhere

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 to repent,

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 because he has fixed

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 the day on which

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 he will judge the world

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 in righteousness

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 by a man

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 whom he's appointed,

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 and of this

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 he's given assurance

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 to all

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 by raising him

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 from the dead.

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 Now when they heard

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 of the resurrection

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 of the dead,

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 some mocked,

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 but others said,

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 we will hear you again

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 about this.

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 And maybe those reactions

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 will be here

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 in this room as well.

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 Some of you will mock,

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 others will say,

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 we want to hear more

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 about this.

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 Now what if you can see,

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 just in that short

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 reading from the Bible,

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 that in some ways

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 Christianity

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 is actually the opposite

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 of atheism.

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 Let me explain

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 what I mean.

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 If you said

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 to Richard Dawkins,

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 does God exist,

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 he would say,

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 no,

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 or actually he'd say,

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 probably not.

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 That was his slogan,

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 wasn't it?

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 There's probably no God.

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 But if you said

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 to Richard Dawkins,

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 does Christianity exist?

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 He'd say,

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 well obviously it does.

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 Now of course

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 this is an international

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 phenomenon of religion,

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 which I'm doing my best

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 to stamp out,

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 but it's there,

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 it exists.

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 And then you'd say,

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 well,

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 where does that come from,

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 Richard Dawkins?

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 He would say,

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 humans invented it.

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 So human beings,

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 we came about by chance,

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 we got brains by chance,

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 and then we invented

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 the idea of a God

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 in our imagination.

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 That's what he would say.

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 But do you see

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 that is exactly

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 the opposite

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 of what Paul is saying.

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 It's not that

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 we invented God,

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 like the people in Athens

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 who made little gods

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 out of gold

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 and put them on

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 their manacophies,

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 look at the God

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 that I just made.

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 He said,

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 no,

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 it's not like that.

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 No,

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 God invented us.

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 He's the one

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 who decided,

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 imagined,

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 that it would be nice

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 to make people.

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 And he gives,

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 it's not that we

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 give God stuff.

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 He's his little statue,

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 I better feed it

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 because it's probably hungry.

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 God gives us stuff.

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 Here are these human beings,

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 I'd better give them

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 breath and life

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 and everything.

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 So,

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 these two things

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 are really the opposite view.

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 If we invent God,

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 because really

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 there's nothing

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 but random chance,

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 or actually

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 are we

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 made by,

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 creatures of,

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 an intelligent,

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 personal,

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 eternal being.

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 Now,

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 those of these

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 are pretty different

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 and I want to

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 spend the rest of our time

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 comparing them

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 and asking

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 the scientific question,

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 which one of these

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 makes most sense

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 of the evidence?

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 And that's what

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 we're going to do

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 for the rest of me

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 talking

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 before you ask questions.

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 So,

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 at this point,

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 I just need to warn you

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 against a bias

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 in your thinking

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 or in some people's thinking

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 because it's possible

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 to set up science

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 atheistically

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 so that the only

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 kind of explanations

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 that you accept

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 as scientific

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 are atheistic explanations.

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 Sometimes people do that.

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 Now,

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 I want to say

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 to that

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 and reply,

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 firstly,

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 that is not how science

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 was done in the beginning.

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 So,

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 lots and lots of people

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 who started science

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 who weren't atheists,

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 they were Christians.

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 They thought they were

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 investigating the world

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 that God had made.

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 But secondly,

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 if you set up

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 the experiment

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 so that the only answers

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 that are allowed

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 are atheistic

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 and then you get

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 atheistic answers out of it,

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 you've just cheated.

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 I mean,

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 if you set up

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 the experiment that way,

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 you're going to get

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 that answer.

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 Let me show you

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 what I mean.

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 Imagine I make

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 a visible light detector.

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 Here's a machine

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 for detecting

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 visible light.

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 So,

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 inside the machine

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 I have a prism

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 to break light

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 up into all the

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 different colours

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 from red

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 all the way

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 through to blue

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 of the rainbow

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 of the visible spectrum.

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 But because it's

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 a visible light detector,

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 I don't bother

00:17:35.740 --> 00:17:36.980
 putting any sensors in

00:17:36.980 --> 00:17:37.959
 for infrared light

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 or ultraviolet light.

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 Just the light

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 that you can see

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 with your eye.

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 OK?

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 So,

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 I make my machine

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 and then someone

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 comes along

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 and says,

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 I think I've discovered

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 this thing called

00:17:47.500 --> 00:17:48.519
 infrared light.

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 I think that's how

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 the remote control works

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 in my telly.

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 I say,

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 oh,

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 very interesting.

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 Let me test it

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 with my machine.

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 So,

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 they point their

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 remote control

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 at my machine

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 and it registers

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 nothing on the drive.

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 And I say,

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 ah,

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 infrared light

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 does not exist.

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 That's a stupid

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 conclusion.

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 If I set up

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 the experiment

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 to only be

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 sensitive to

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 visible light,

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 I can't use

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 the experiment

00:18:10.840 --> 00:18:11.360
 to tell you

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 about things

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 that it can't

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 measure.

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 If I set up

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 science so that

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 the only kind

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 of things I think

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 are scientific

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 or atheistic,

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 then I can't

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 use the experiment

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 to tell me

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 about anything

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 it wasn't

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 designed to

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 or capable

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 of measuring

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 in the first place.

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 So,

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 that's just to

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 warn us,

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 don't let's

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 pretend that

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 science is

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 automatically

00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:29.419
 atheism.

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 Never started

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 that way,

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 it needn't be

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 that.

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 In fact,

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 objectively,

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 what is science?

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 Science is really

00:18:35.599 --> 00:18:36.980
 just a methodology,

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 a way of

00:18:38.480 --> 00:18:39.319
 investigating the

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 world,

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 where you

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 observe what

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 you see,

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 you try and

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 describe what

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 you observe

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 in a hypothesis,

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 and then you

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 try and test

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 that hypothesis

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 by doing

00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:50.500
 further experiments

00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:51.200
 to accept

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 or reject it.

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 It's not

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 science,

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 it's just a

00:18:53.919 --> 00:18:54.359
 method of

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 approaching the

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 world.

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 And I

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 want to suggest

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 there's nothing

00:18:57.259 --> 00:18:57.819
 about that

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 method,

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 nor anything

00:19:00.259 --> 00:19:00.680
 that's been

00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:01.740
 discovered by

00:19:01.740 --> 00:19:02.660
 that method

00:19:02.660 --> 00:19:04.220
 that argues

00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:04.720
 against the

00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:05.019
 God of the

00:19:05.019 --> 00:19:05.259
 Bible.

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 I don't know

00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:06.180
 of anything.

00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:06.859
 People say

00:19:06.859 --> 00:19:07.799
 science disproves

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 God,

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 I want to

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 say,

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 oh,

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 how?

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 Tell me about

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 the experiment

00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:12.200
 that I don't

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 understand,

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 I haven't heard

00:19:13.259 --> 00:19:13.519
 of,

00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:14.740
 that disproves

00:19:14.740 --> 00:19:15.220
 something in the

00:19:15.220 --> 00:19:15.399
 Bible.

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 There isn't

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 one,

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 actually.

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 But there

00:19:18.420 --> 00:19:19.079
 is a conflict

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 between these

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 worldviews.

00:19:22.399 --> 00:19:22.980
 Atheism is

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 against Christianity,

00:19:23.799 --> 00:19:23.920
 yeah,

00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:24.660
 of course it is.

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 But is science

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 against it?

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 Well,

00:19:27.100 --> 00:19:27.519
 you need to

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 show me the

00:19:28.180 --> 00:19:28.800
 experiment or

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 the information

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 that proves it.

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 Well,

00:19:31.259 --> 00:19:31.540
 we're going to

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 compare these

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 two,

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 as I said,

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 in three ways.

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 Here are our

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 three tests.

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 Firstly,

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 which one makes

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 the most sense

00:19:38.060 --> 00:19:38.680
 of design?

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 Secondly,

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 which one makes

00:19:40.620 --> 00:19:41.120
 the most sense

00:19:41.120 --> 00:19:41.980
 of human life?

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 Thirdly,

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 which one makes

00:19:43.900 --> 00:19:44.460
 the most sense

00:19:44.460 --> 00:19:45.440
 of Jesus Christ?

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 And then we're

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 done.

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 Okay,

00:19:47.080 --> 00:19:47.500
 so here we are,

00:19:47.540 --> 00:19:47.800
 design.

00:19:47.940 --> 00:19:48.300
 Firstly,

00:19:48.779 --> 00:19:49.519
 which one makes

00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:50.040
 the most sense

00:19:50.040 --> 00:19:50.740
 of design?

00:19:50.740 --> 00:19:50.980
 Now,

00:19:51.059 --> 00:19:51.740
 even as I say

00:19:51.740 --> 00:19:52.480
 that word,

00:19:53.220 --> 00:19:53.900
 there's only

00:19:53.900 --> 00:19:54.819
 atheists in the

00:19:54.819 --> 00:19:55.000
 room,

00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:55.420
 you will be

00:19:55.420 --> 00:19:56.140
 getting twitchy

00:19:56.140 --> 00:19:56.839
 because people

00:19:56.839 --> 00:19:57.839
 hate the idea

00:19:57.839 --> 00:19:58.839
 of the word

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 design.

00:20:00.299 --> 00:20:00.819
 Because according

00:20:00.819 --> 00:20:01.319
 to atheists,

00:20:01.539 --> 00:20:02.079
 there wasn't

00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:02.720
 any design,

00:20:02.819 --> 00:20:03.259
 it's just

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 random.

00:20:04.660 --> 00:20:05.240
 But at least

00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:06.539
 everyone agrees

00:20:06.539 --> 00:20:07.059
 that there was

00:20:07.059 --> 00:20:08.019
 the appearance

00:20:08.019 --> 00:20:08.880
 of design.

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 It doesn't look

00:20:09.799 --> 00:20:11.319
 as though this

00:20:11.319 --> 00:20:12.000
 world is just

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 random.

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 In fact,

00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:14.660
 Sir Fred Hoyle,

00:20:14.700 --> 00:20:15.299
 the astronomer,

00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:16.779
 he once famously

00:20:16.779 --> 00:20:17.799
 said that the

00:20:17.799 --> 00:20:18.980
 idea of random

00:20:18.980 --> 00:20:20.720
 chance suddenly

00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:21.400
 coming up with

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 something like

00:20:21.940 --> 00:20:22.600
 all of us in

00:20:22.600 --> 00:20:23.059
 this room,

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 is a bit like

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 suggesting that

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 a whirlwind

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 passed through

00:20:26.460 --> 00:20:27.220
 a junkyard

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 and came up

00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:29.380
 by chance

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 with a fully

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 assembled

00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:31.420
 functioning

00:20:31.420 --> 00:20:32.940
 747 aircraft.

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 It doesn't seem

00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:34.680
 very likely to

00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:35.100
 have happened

00:20:35.100 --> 00:20:36.299
 just by accident.

00:20:37.019 --> 00:20:37.480
 But according

00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:38.180
 to atheists like

00:20:38.180 --> 00:20:38.759
 Richard Dawkins,

00:20:38.819 --> 00:20:39.180
 we have an

00:20:39.180 --> 00:20:39.660
 explanation.

00:20:40.360 --> 00:20:40.720
 This is what

00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:41.100
 he said.

00:20:41.100 --> 00:20:41.920
 This is what

00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:42.319
 he says.

00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:44.620
 He says,

00:20:44.740 --> 00:20:47.339
 design is

00:20:47.339 --> 00:20:48.339
 only accidental.

00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:49.980
 We have a

00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:50.700
 mechanism to

00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:51.740
 account for it.

00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:53.200
 Natural selection,

00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:54.240
 the blind,

00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:55.059
 unconscious,

00:20:55.380 --> 00:20:56.600
 automatic process,

00:20:57.220 --> 00:20:58.059
 which we now

00:20:58.059 --> 00:20:58.880
 know is the

00:20:58.880 --> 00:20:59.740
 reason for the

00:20:59.740 --> 00:21:00.720
 existence of

00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:02.039
 and apparently

00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:03.160
 purposeful form

00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:03.900
 of all life,

00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:05.720
 has no purpose

00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:06.420
 in mind.

00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:07.940
 It has no mind,

00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:08.960
 no vision,

00:21:09.259 --> 00:21:09.940
 no foresight,

00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:11.420
 no sight at all.

00:21:11.960 --> 00:21:12.600
 If it can be

00:21:12.600 --> 00:21:13.259
 said to play the

00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:14.100
 role of watchmaker

00:21:14.100 --> 00:21:14.960
 in nature,

00:21:15.500 --> 00:21:16.220
 it is that of

00:21:16.220 --> 00:21:16.960
 the blind

00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:17.860
 watchmaker.

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 And that was

00:21:18.479 --> 00:21:18.919
 the title of

00:21:18.919 --> 00:21:19.859
 his book that

00:21:19.859 --> 00:21:20.259
 we had to

00:21:20.259 --> 00:21:20.879
 read before we

00:21:20.879 --> 00:21:21.199
 went up to

00:21:21.199 --> 00:21:21.859
 university when

00:21:21.859 --> 00:21:22.439
 I was 18.

00:21:22.699 --> 00:21:24.899
 So it looks as

00:21:24.899 --> 00:21:25.259
 though it was

00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:25.719
 designed,

00:21:25.979 --> 00:21:26.779
 but it's just a

00:21:26.779 --> 00:21:27.539
 trick that

00:21:27.539 --> 00:21:28.379
 randomness and

00:21:28.379 --> 00:21:29.099
 evolution have

00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:29.799
 played on you.

00:21:30.419 --> 00:21:31.019
 Really it's just

00:21:31.019 --> 00:21:31.319
 random.

00:21:32.179 --> 00:21:32.839
 On the other

00:21:32.839 --> 00:21:34.219
 hand, the Bible

00:21:34.219 --> 00:21:36.019
 says, the God

00:21:36.019 --> 00:21:36.899
 who made the

00:21:36.899 --> 00:21:37.219
 world and

00:21:37.219 --> 00:21:38.000
 everything in it

00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:39.659
 gives to all

00:21:39.659 --> 00:21:40.719
 mankind life and

00:21:40.719 --> 00:21:41.299
 breath and

00:21:41.299 --> 00:21:41.619
 everything.

00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:42.559
 This world is the

00:21:42.559 --> 00:21:43.879
 way it is because

00:21:43.879 --> 00:21:44.899
 God decided it

00:21:44.899 --> 00:21:45.299
 would be that

00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:45.500
 way.

00:21:45.700 --> 00:21:46.379
 Which one,

00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:47.859
 no design to

00:21:47.859 --> 00:21:48.519
 this randomness

00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:49.940
 or a creative

00:21:49.940 --> 00:21:50.720
 God who made

00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:51.599
 it, which one

00:21:51.599 --> 00:21:52.419
 makes most sense

00:21:52.419 --> 00:21:53.240
 of the evidence?

00:21:54.359 --> 00:21:55.180
 Now I'm going to

00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:56.720
 just turn to the

00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.220
 question of how

00:21:58.220 --> 00:21:58.779
 this world could

00:21:58.779 --> 00:21:59.480
 have come about.

00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:01.220
 And rather than

00:22:01.220 --> 00:22:01.980
 getting into the

00:22:01.980 --> 00:22:02.480
 debates about

00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:03.200
 evolution, which

00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:03.740
 some people want

00:22:03.740 --> 00:22:04.180
 to talk about

00:22:04.180 --> 00:22:04.740
 all the time,

00:22:05.180 --> 00:22:05.700
 I want to say

00:22:05.700 --> 00:22:06.799
 actually even to

00:22:06.799 --> 00:22:07.940
 have evolution

00:22:07.940 --> 00:22:08.440
 or natural

00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:10.039
 selection, you

00:22:10.039 --> 00:22:11.200
 first have to

00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.500
 have a universe

00:22:13.500 --> 00:22:14.639
 in order for

00:22:14.639 --> 00:22:15.079
 evolution to

00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:16.619
 happen in, and

00:22:16.619 --> 00:22:17.220
 you have to

00:22:17.220 --> 00:22:19.039
 have DNA or

00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.220
 RNA, molecules

00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:22.119
 that can carry

00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:23.759
 information and

00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:24.319
 copy the

00:22:24.319 --> 00:22:25.139
 information down

00:22:25.139 --> 00:22:25.859
 through generations.

00:22:26.619 --> 00:22:27.059
 So even

00:22:27.059 --> 00:22:27.460
 whatever you

00:22:27.460 --> 00:22:27.779
 think about

00:22:27.779 --> 00:22:28.559
 evolution, and

00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:29.079
 I have my

00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:29.659
 particular view

00:22:29.659 --> 00:22:30.099
 about that,

00:22:30.419 --> 00:22:30.819
 whatever you

00:22:30.819 --> 00:22:31.099
 think about

00:22:31.099 --> 00:22:32.099
 evolution, even

00:22:32.099 --> 00:22:32.960
 to have evolution

00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:34.439
 at all, you

00:22:34.439 --> 00:22:35.379
 first have to

00:22:35.379 --> 00:22:36.819
 have very, very

00:22:36.819 --> 00:22:37.339
 complicated

00:22:37.339 --> 00:22:38.819
 molecules capable

00:22:38.819 --> 00:22:39.319
 of containing

00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:40.079
 information and

00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:40.779
 passing information

00:22:40.779 --> 00:22:41.039
 on.

00:22:41.659 --> 00:22:42.119
 So where do

00:22:42.119 --> 00:22:42.659
 they come from?

00:22:43.659 --> 00:22:44.159
 How do you

00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:44.840
 explain why

00:22:44.840 --> 00:22:45.180
 you've got

00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:45.940
 RNA or

00:22:45.940 --> 00:22:47.140
 DNA out of

00:22:47.140 --> 00:22:48.820
 nothing randomly?

00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:50.060
 That's not a

00:22:50.060 --> 00:22:50.440
 question that

00:22:50.440 --> 00:22:51.019
 evolution can

00:22:51.019 --> 00:22:51.380
 answer.

00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:52.779
 Where do you

00:22:52.779 --> 00:22:53.060
 get the

00:22:53.060 --> 00:22:54.120
 information from

00:22:54.120 --> 00:22:54.519
 that these

00:22:54.519 --> 00:22:55.440
 molecules contain?

00:22:56.779 --> 00:22:57.200
 You've just

00:22:57.200 --> 00:22:58.060
 got a black

00:22:58.060 --> 00:22:58.759
 box and in

00:22:58.759 --> 00:22:59.620
 goes randomness,

00:22:59.700 --> 00:23:00.140
 you can't just

00:23:00.140 --> 00:23:00.680
 get information

00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:01.580
 magically turning

00:23:01.580 --> 00:23:02.440
 out of randomness

00:23:02.440 --> 00:23:02.840
 and coming out

00:23:02.840 --> 00:23:03.460
 the other side.

00:23:04.620 --> 00:23:05.320
 Where does that

00:23:05.320 --> 00:23:05.640
 come from?

00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:06.200
 And actually,

00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:06.940
 just to make it

00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:07.279
 even more

00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:08.320
 difficult, where

00:23:08.320 --> 00:23:08.759
 does the

00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:09.480
 universe come

00:23:09.480 --> 00:23:10.779
 from that these

00:23:10.779 --> 00:23:11.860
 molecules exist in?

00:23:11.859 --> 00:23:13.819
 And this is

00:23:13.819 --> 00:23:14.319
 where we really

00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:14.799
 have problems

00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:15.359
 for the

00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:16.439
 atheists, because

00:23:16.439 --> 00:23:17.939
 physicists will

00:23:17.939 --> 00:23:19.319
 tell us that in

00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.179
 order to have any

00:23:20.179 --> 00:23:21.139
 kind of universe of

00:23:21.139 --> 00:23:21.740
 the kind that we

00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:23.599
 live in, some of

00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:24.479
 the kind of fine

00:23:24.479 --> 00:23:25.319
 tuning of the

00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:26.000
 universe has got

00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:26.779
 to be exactly

00:23:26.779 --> 00:23:27.439
 right.

00:23:28.319 --> 00:23:28.819
 So if you just

00:23:28.819 --> 00:23:29.939
 make a few tiny

00:23:29.939 --> 00:23:31.679
 adjustments to

00:23:31.679 --> 00:23:32.139
 the kind of

00:23:32.139 --> 00:23:33.240
 physical consonants

00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:33.959
 underlying the

00:23:33.959 --> 00:23:34.919
 universe, you

00:23:34.919 --> 00:23:35.619
 can't have a

00:23:35.619 --> 00:23:36.479
 universe at all.

00:23:37.299 --> 00:23:38.279
 Do come and

00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:38.740
 grab a seat, I

00:23:38.740 --> 00:23:39.079
 think there's a

00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:39.939
 couple of extra

00:23:39.939 --> 00:23:40.240
 seats.

00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.799
 Oh, we've got

00:23:42.799 --> 00:23:43.220
 some more chairs,

00:23:43.299 --> 00:23:43.460
 can't we?

00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:45.839
 So, here's my

00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:46.440
 favourite one.

00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:47.960
 In the Big Bang

00:23:47.960 --> 00:23:49.160
 Theory, the

00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:49.720
 universe all

00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:50.660
 starts from

00:23:50.660 --> 00:23:51.299
 nothing and then

00:23:51.299 --> 00:23:51.980
 just explodes

00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:52.200
 out.

00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:52.779
 Well, firstly,

00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:54.160
 how did it go

00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:54.519
 bang?

00:23:54.859 --> 00:23:55.620
 Who made it go

00:23:55.620 --> 00:23:55.799
 bang?

00:23:55.859 --> 00:23:56.359
 There's a question.

00:23:56.740 --> 00:23:57.240
 But secondly,

00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:58.380
 even people who

00:23:58.380 --> 00:23:58.839
 believe in the

00:23:58.839 --> 00:23:59.599
 Big Bang Theory

00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:01.359
 acknowledge that

00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:02.259
 the expansion

00:24:02.259 --> 00:24:02.839
 rate of the

00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:03.500
 universe has

00:24:03.500 --> 00:24:03.940
 got to be

00:24:03.940 --> 00:24:05.200
 exactly right.

00:24:06.019 --> 00:24:06.460
 So out of

00:24:06.460 --> 00:24:06.960
 the beginning of

00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:07.500
 the Big Bang,

00:24:07.700 --> 00:24:08.620
 writes Alan

00:24:08.620 --> 00:24:09.980
 Goose, who came

00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:10.500
 up with a view

00:24:10.500 --> 00:24:11.099
 of inflation,

00:24:11.519 --> 00:24:11.940
 he's not a

00:24:11.940 --> 00:24:12.539
 Christian, he's a

00:24:12.539 --> 00:24:13.960
 physicist, he

00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:14.440
 comes up with

00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:14.839
 this theory.

00:24:15.079 --> 00:24:15.940
 He explains, if

00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:16.559
 the universe had

00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:17.440
 expanded too

00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:19.360
 quickly, then

00:24:19.360 --> 00:24:20.000
 you'd never get

00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:21.259
 any stars or

00:24:21.259 --> 00:24:22.019
 planets or

00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:23.480
 people, you'd

00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:24.480
 just have gas,

00:24:24.579 --> 00:24:24.799
 because it

00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:25.160
 would go kind

00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:25.759
 of bang so

00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:27.019
 fast that you

00:24:27.019 --> 00:24:27.819
 just had spread

00:24:27.819 --> 00:24:28.539
 out gas as

00:24:28.539 --> 00:24:28.819
 you were.

00:24:29.420 --> 00:24:30.039
 On the other

00:24:30.039 --> 00:24:30.579
 hand, if the

00:24:30.579 --> 00:24:31.440
 universe expanded

00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:33.400
 too slowly, then

00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:34.279
 gravity would get

00:24:34.279 --> 00:24:34.880
 the better of it

00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:35.299
 and it would go

00:24:35.299 --> 00:24:36.019
 kind of bang,

00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:37.079
 and then gravity

00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:37.660
 would pull it all

00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:38.299
 back together and

00:24:38.299 --> 00:24:38.559
 it would go

00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:39.000
 crash.

00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:39.859
 And you

00:24:39.859 --> 00:24:40.400
 have a universe

00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:40.980
 and nothing,

00:24:41.579 --> 00:24:42.259
 even before you

00:24:42.259 --> 00:24:42.740
 got to one

00:24:42.740 --> 00:24:43.400
 millisecond on

00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:44.059
 your stopwatch.

00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:44.940
 And then there

00:24:44.940 --> 00:24:45.220
 would be nothing

00:24:45.220 --> 00:24:45.660
 at all.

00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:46.660
 So in order to

00:24:46.660 --> 00:24:47.140
 have a universe

00:24:47.140 --> 00:24:47.960
 that goes bang

00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:49.000
 fast enough to

00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:49.660
 beat gravity,

00:24:50.440 --> 00:24:51.319
 and slow enough

00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:52.019
 to give a chance

00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:52.640
 for stars and

00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:54.039
 planets, you've

00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:55.119
 got to be very,

00:24:55.380 --> 00:24:56.339
 very accurate in

00:24:56.339 --> 00:24:56.980
 how fast you

00:24:56.980 --> 00:24:57.480
 go bang.

00:24:58.059 --> 00:24:58.700
 In fact, you'll

00:24:58.700 --> 00:24:59.240
 know how accurate

00:24:59.240 --> 00:24:59.720
 you've got to

00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:01.079
 be one in ten

00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:01.519
 to the fifty

00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:03.240
 four accurate.

00:25:03.839 --> 00:25:04.500
 So that's one

00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:05.079
 in ten with

00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:05.819
 fifty four zeros

00:25:05.819 --> 00:25:06.319
 on the end.

00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:07.400
 Accurate.

00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:08.720
 Otherwise you're

00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:09.680
 going to lose.

00:25:10.100 --> 00:25:10.660
 So to give you

00:25:10.660 --> 00:25:11.360
 an idea of what

00:25:11.360 --> 00:25:11.860
 that's like,

00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:13.420
 cover America

00:25:13.420 --> 00:25:15.300
 with five

00:25:15.300 --> 00:25:16.120
 penny pieces

00:25:16.120 --> 00:25:17.820
 and stack

00:25:17.820 --> 00:25:19.040
 them to a

00:25:19.040 --> 00:25:19.660
 height of the

00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:20.259
 distance between

00:25:20.259 --> 00:25:20.820
 here and the

00:25:20.820 --> 00:25:21.920
 moon, about

00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:22.900
 380,000

00:25:22.900 --> 00:25:23.620
 kilometres away,

00:25:23.860 --> 00:25:24.920
 and then do

00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:25.800
 the same for a

00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:26.580
 billion other

00:25:26.580 --> 00:25:27.320
 continents the

00:25:27.320 --> 00:25:28.000
 size of America.

00:25:29.040 --> 00:25:29.620
 Blindfold to

00:25:29.620 --> 00:25:30.040
 husband or your

00:25:30.040 --> 00:25:30.700
 wife or girlfriend,

00:25:30.940 --> 00:25:31.480
 get her to pick

00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:32.100
 one at random,

00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:36.799
 paint one of

00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:37.480
 them red with

00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:39.240
 lipstick and

00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.279
 hide it in the

00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:41.119
 pile, get

00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:41.659
 it around them,

00:25:41.679 --> 00:25:42.079
 she picks the

00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:43.119
 red one, that's

00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:43.740
 about the

00:25:43.740 --> 00:25:44.179
 chances.

00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:45.679
 So in other

00:25:45.679 --> 00:25:46.619
 words, very,

00:25:46.919 --> 00:25:48.159
 very, very,

00:25:48.159 --> 00:25:48.879
 very, very,

00:25:48.879 --> 00:25:49.579
 very, very

00:25:49.579 --> 00:25:51.619
 unlikely to

00:25:51.619 --> 00:25:52.059
 have happened

00:25:52.059 --> 00:25:53.059
 by chance.

00:25:54.119 --> 00:25:54.859
 Why did it

00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:55.939
 work out just

00:25:55.939 --> 00:25:57.599
 right to have

00:25:57.599 --> 00:25:58.339
 a universe with

00:25:58.339 --> 00:25:58.859
 stars and

00:25:58.859 --> 00:25:59.779
 planets in it?

00:26:00.579 --> 00:26:01.039
 Why did it

00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:01.960
 work out just

00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:02.819
 right to have

00:26:02.819 --> 00:26:04.059
 human beings

00:26:04.059 --> 00:26:04.519
 and human

00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:05.079
 brains?

00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:06.680
 By chance,

00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:07.119
 in other words,

00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:07.819
 it's lucky,

00:26:08.099 --> 00:26:08.700
 says somebody.

00:26:09.379 --> 00:26:10.680
 Or, there's

00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:11.240
 a God who

00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:12.119
 designed this,

00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:12.779
 and who

00:26:12.779 --> 00:26:13.460
 ordered this.

00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:15.240
 This makes a

00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:15.960
 lot more

00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:16.299
 sense.

00:26:16.420 --> 00:26:16.759
 We've got an

00:26:16.759 --> 00:26:17.259
 explanation,

00:26:17.619 --> 00:26:17.980
 why it went

00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:19.259
 bang, why it

00:26:19.259 --> 00:26:19.680
 went bang at

00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:20.500
 the right speed,

00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:21.639
 why all these

00:26:21.639 --> 00:26:21.980
 other things

00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:22.740
 turned out right

00:26:22.740 --> 00:26:23.259
 to have

00:26:23.259 --> 00:26:24.359
 humanity.

00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:25.799
 Whereas just

00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:26.319
 the kids saying,

00:26:26.399 --> 00:26:26.839
 oh, lucky,

00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:27.579
 it's just lucky,

00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:29.359
 starts to look

00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.219
 unscientific and

00:26:31.219 --> 00:26:31.740
 problematic.

00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:32.759
 And in fact,

00:26:32.899 --> 00:26:34.659
 recently, atheists

00:26:34.659 --> 00:26:35.179
 have acknowledged

00:26:35.179 --> 00:26:35.839
 that the numbers

00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:36.459
 are just too

00:26:36.459 --> 00:26:37.039
 small to be

00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:37.240
 lucky.

00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:37.419
 I mean,

00:26:37.439 --> 00:26:37.819
 this is just

00:26:37.819 --> 00:26:38.919
 ridiculously lucky.

00:26:39.899 --> 00:26:40.439
 And instead,

00:26:40.579 --> 00:26:41.079
 they've got this

00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:41.359
 theory,

00:26:41.439 --> 00:26:41.799
 you might have

00:26:41.799 --> 00:26:42.199
 come across

00:26:42.199 --> 00:26:42.379
 this,

00:26:42.419 --> 00:26:42.699
 of the

00:26:42.699 --> 00:26:43.299
 multiverse.

00:26:44.240 --> 00:26:44.619
 The idea of

00:26:44.619 --> 00:26:45.039
 the multiverse

00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:46.279
 is that there's

00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:47.339
 infinitely many

00:26:47.339 --> 00:26:47.979
 universes.

00:26:49.159 --> 00:26:49.799
 And if you

00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:50.379
 have infinitely

00:26:50.379 --> 00:26:51.259
 many universes,

00:26:51.399 --> 00:26:51.819
 one of them's

00:26:51.819 --> 00:26:52.079
 going to get

00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:52.659
 lucky, right?

00:26:52.979 --> 00:26:53.439
 If you throw

00:26:53.439 --> 00:26:54.359
 the dice infinitely

00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:55.619
 many times,

00:26:55.959 --> 00:26:56.439
 then you're

00:26:56.439 --> 00:26:56.679
 going to get

00:26:56.679 --> 00:26:56.919
 the number

00:26:56.919 --> 00:26:57.319
 you want

00:26:57.319 --> 00:26:57.919
 eventually.

00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:58.800
 So they

00:26:58.800 --> 00:27:00.039
 prefer the

00:27:00.039 --> 00:27:00.519
 idea of a

00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:01.080
 multiverse.

00:27:01.300 --> 00:27:02.420
 Now, that's

00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:03.200
 okay to

00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:03.580
 believe in

00:27:03.580 --> 00:27:03.860
 that.

00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:05.400
 But when it

00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:05.920
 was reviewed

00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:06.680
 recently in

00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:07.120
 the scientific

00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:07.960
 journal Nature,

00:27:08.779 --> 00:27:09.480
 the reviewer

00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:10.039
 said this,

00:27:10.060 --> 00:27:10.460
 I thought this

00:27:10.460 --> 00:27:10.720
 was very

00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:11.060
 interesting.

00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:11.740
 He said,

00:27:11.800 --> 00:27:12.560
 the multiverse

00:27:12.560 --> 00:27:14.279
 may be the

00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:14.860
 most important

00:27:14.860 --> 00:27:15.420
 theory of our

00:27:15.420 --> 00:27:17.180
 time, but I

00:27:17.180 --> 00:27:17.779
 don't think it

00:27:17.779 --> 00:27:18.980
 can be called

00:27:18.980 --> 00:27:19.759
 a scientific

00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:21.300
 theory, because

00:27:21.300 --> 00:27:21.779
 it is not

00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:23.759
 observable, or

00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:25.360
 repeatable, or

00:27:25.360 --> 00:27:26.060
 testable.

00:27:26.059 --> 00:27:28.279
 you can

00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:29.099
 believe in

00:27:29.099 --> 00:27:29.740
 it, if you

00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:30.419
 want, by

00:27:30.419 --> 00:27:31.599
 blind faith,

00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:32.919
 but there's

00:27:32.919 --> 00:27:33.500
 no scientific

00:27:33.500 --> 00:27:34.960
 reasons for

00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:35.240
 it.

00:27:36.019 --> 00:27:36.599
 So you can

00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:37.519
 believe in

00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:38.299
 there's infinitely

00:27:38.299 --> 00:27:39.079
 many universes,

00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:39.819
 that's why this

00:27:39.819 --> 00:27:40.359
 turned out just

00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:41.759
 right, or you

00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:42.460
 can believe in

00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:43.720
 the God who

00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:44.200
 made it just

00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:44.519
 right.

00:27:45.700 --> 00:27:46.599
 But there's

00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:47.200
 nothing about

00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:47.980
 the science that

00:27:47.980 --> 00:27:48.619
 tells you to

00:27:48.619 --> 00:27:49.980
 believe in this.

00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:50.379
 And in fact,

00:27:50.419 --> 00:27:50.700
 I want to

00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:51.279
 suggest that

00:27:51.279 --> 00:27:53.000
 multiverses are

00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:53.960
 quite problematic

00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:55.619
 conceptually.

00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:57.199
 so everything

00:27:57.199 --> 00:27:57.919
 that's unlikely

00:27:57.919 --> 00:27:58.599
 isn't really

00:27:58.599 --> 00:27:59.279
 unlikely, because

00:27:59.279 --> 00:27:59.679
 there's infinitely

00:27:59.679 --> 00:28:00.359
 many universes.

00:28:00.819 --> 00:28:01.359
 So as well as

00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:02.139
 this talk, where I

00:28:02.139 --> 00:28:02.759
 get to this point

00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:03.119
 and I'm still

00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:04.219
 alive, there's

00:28:04.219 --> 00:28:04.659
 the talk at

00:28:04.659 --> 00:28:05.500
 which I drop

00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:06.199
 dead now.

00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.500
 Oh, no, I'm

00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:07.879
 not in that

00:28:07.879 --> 00:28:08.500
 universe, that's

00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:08.699
 okay.

00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:09.739
 If I had done,

00:28:09.899 --> 00:28:10.439
 that would have

00:28:10.439 --> 00:28:10.979
 just been the

00:28:10.979 --> 00:28:11.339
 explanation.

00:28:11.479 --> 00:28:11.739
 There's also

00:28:11.739 --> 00:28:12.339
 probably, I

00:28:12.339 --> 00:28:12.659
 guess, the

00:28:12.659 --> 00:28:13.199
 universe where I

00:28:13.199 --> 00:28:13.799
 suddenly turn to

00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.319
 a pink rabbit

00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:14.659
 now.

00:28:15.479 --> 00:28:15.919
 No, we're not

00:28:15.919 --> 00:28:16.419
 in that universe

00:28:16.419 --> 00:28:16.739
 either.

00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:17.359
 But there's

00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:17.799
 no point in

00:28:17.799 --> 00:28:18.359
 being surprised

00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:18.959
 by everything,

00:28:19.459 --> 00:28:20.039
 because it's

00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:20.979
 just the version

00:28:20.979 --> 00:28:21.500
 of the universe

00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:22.019
 in which that

00:28:22.019 --> 00:28:22.599
 unlikely thing

00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:23.259
 happens, right?

00:28:23.859 --> 00:28:24.299
 And everything

00:28:25.619 --> 00:28:26.319
 also didn't do

00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:27.019
 today in the

00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:27.459
 other version

00:28:27.459 --> 00:28:27.899
 of yourself,

00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:28.500
 in the other

00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:29.399
 copy of the

00:28:29.399 --> 00:28:29.899
 universe somewhere

00:28:29.899 --> 00:28:30.079
 else.

00:28:30.199 --> 00:28:30.719
 I mean, this

00:28:30.719 --> 00:28:32.059
 starts to require

00:28:32.059 --> 00:28:33.299
 quite a lot of

00:28:33.299 --> 00:28:34.139
 faith, I think.

00:28:34.879 --> 00:28:35.799
 Quite a lot of

00:28:35.799 --> 00:28:37.179
 irrational, blind

00:28:37.179 --> 00:28:37.599
 faith.

00:28:38.779 --> 00:28:39.819
 Whereas, why not

00:28:39.819 --> 00:28:40.479
 believe the really

00:28:40.479 --> 00:28:41.099
 very straightforward

00:28:41.099 --> 00:28:42.879
 idea that there

00:28:42.879 --> 00:28:43.639
 is a creative,

00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:44.839
 intelligent person

00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:46.299
 who decides to

00:28:46.299 --> 00:28:46.899
 make a world

00:28:46.899 --> 00:28:47.559
 and have the

00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:48.059
 power to do

00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:48.279
 so?

00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:49.239
 There we are.

00:28:49.459 --> 00:28:50.159
 Which one makes

00:28:50.159 --> 00:28:50.679
 the most sense of

00:28:50.679 --> 00:28:50.939
 design?

00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:51.259
 I'm going to be

00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:51.779
 more quick for the

00:28:51.779 --> 00:28:52.059
 other two.

00:28:52.379 --> 00:28:53.939
 Secondly, which

00:28:53.939 --> 00:28:54.639
 one makes the most

00:28:54.639 --> 00:28:55.079
 sense of,

00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.240
 human purpose

00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.039
 and existence.

00:28:58.539 --> 00:28:59.359
 Now, I want you

00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:00.359
 to understand me

00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:00.659
 rightly.

00:29:01.059 --> 00:29:01.960
 I'm not saying

00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:03.339
 here that

00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:04.559
 Christianity must

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:05.460
 be true because

00:29:05.460 --> 00:29:06.460
 it's less depressing.

00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:08.139
 I'm about to show

00:29:08.139 --> 00:29:08.779
 you that atheism is

00:29:08.779 --> 00:29:09.579
 very, very depressing.

00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:11.139
 That doesn't make

00:29:11.139 --> 00:29:12.259
 Christianity true,

00:29:13.159 --> 00:29:13.439
 OK?

00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:14.259
 Because depressing

00:29:14.259 --> 00:29:15.099
 things can sometimes

00:29:15.099 --> 00:29:15.500
 be true.

00:29:16.099 --> 00:29:17.199
 But it does, I

00:29:17.199 --> 00:29:17.859
 think, give you

00:29:17.859 --> 00:29:18.779
 reasons not to be

00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:19.619
 very comfortable

00:29:19.619 --> 00:29:21.339
 with your atheism

00:29:21.339 --> 00:29:21.740
 if you're an

00:29:21.740 --> 00:29:21.960
 atheist.

00:29:23.099 --> 00:29:23.879
 See, one of the

00:29:23.879 --> 00:29:24.539
 things I've told you

00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:25.159
 already, one of the

00:29:25.159 --> 00:29:26.079
 things I hated about

00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:27.180
 Christianity was

00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:28.299
 hypocrites.

00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:29.819
 You know, people who

00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:31.859
 said one thing on a

00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:33.420
 Sunday and then did

00:29:33.420 --> 00:29:34.460
 something else in the

00:29:34.460 --> 00:29:35.200
 rest of their life.

00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:36.859
 I hated being too

00:29:36.859 --> 00:29:37.319
 fast.

00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:38.960
 And when I saw it in,

00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:39.960
 you know, churchy

00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:40.779
 people, I hated that.

00:29:41.099 --> 00:29:41.779
 And if you hate

00:29:41.779 --> 00:29:42.980
 hypocrisy, you're in

00:29:42.980 --> 00:29:44.200
 good company because

00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:45.779
 Jesus Christ hated it

00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:46.059
 too.

00:29:46.819 --> 00:29:48.079
 Many of his most

00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:50.539
 strong rebukes come

00:29:50.539 --> 00:29:51.859
 to religious people who

00:29:51.859 --> 00:29:53.059
 didn't actually trust

00:29:53.059 --> 00:29:53.720
 or follow God.

00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:54.500
 He hated that.

00:29:54.980 --> 00:29:55.700
 But what I never

00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:56.899
 noticed as an atheist

00:29:56.899 --> 00:29:57.700
 when I was giving up

00:29:57.700 --> 00:29:58.679
 my Christian friends a

00:29:58.679 --> 00:30:00.240
 really hard time, I

00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:01.039
 never noticed my own

00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:01.619
 hypocrisy.

00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:03.639
 I never noticed that I

00:30:03.639 --> 00:30:05.399
 wasn't living out the

00:30:05.399 --> 00:30:06.339
 thing that I said that I

00:30:06.339 --> 00:30:06.799
 believed.

00:30:07.179 --> 00:30:08.799
 So I was saying the

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:09.460
 world is random.

00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:11.559
 I exist randomly,

00:30:12.339 --> 00:30:13.599
 without reason, and

00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:14.220
 that's why I'm here.

00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:15.919
 I did not live as though

00:30:15.919 --> 00:30:16.440
 that were true.

00:30:17.440 --> 00:30:19.160
 So, Professor John

00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.799
 Gray, he's a professor

00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:22.460
 at the London School

00:30:22.460 --> 00:30:23.600
 of Economics, a

00:30:23.600 --> 00:30:24.259
 professor of European

00:30:24.259 --> 00:30:25.799
 Thought, apparently

00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:27.000
 Tony Blair's favourite

00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:27.480
 philosopher.

00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:28.600
 So either you love him

00:30:28.600 --> 00:30:29.340
 or you hate him, because

00:30:29.340 --> 00:30:29.960
 of that, I don't know

00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:31.059
 what you think of Blair.

00:30:31.340 --> 00:30:33.740
 But he has, in his book

00:30:33.740 --> 00:30:35.100
 Straw Dogs, he's not a

00:30:35.100 --> 00:30:35.860
 Christian, he's got a

00:30:35.860 --> 00:30:37.519
 really weird view of a

00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:38.460
 kind of Mother Earth

00:30:38.460 --> 00:30:38.920
 kind of thing.

00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:40.240
 But he has a go at

00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:41.920
 atheists for their

00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:42.400
 hypocrisy.

00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:43.160
 He doesn't think that

00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:45.019
 they follow their ideas

00:30:45.019 --> 00:30:45.879
 through to their logical

00:30:45.879 --> 00:30:46.420
 conclusion.

00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:48.379
 So he writes this, he

00:30:48.379 --> 00:30:49.960
 says, mankind must

00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:52.279
 accept that his or her

00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:53.519
 life is entirely

00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:54.180
 accidental.

00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:56.379
 He must realise that

00:30:56.379 --> 00:30:57.579
 like a gypsy, he lives

00:30:57.579 --> 00:30:58.500
 on the boundary of an

00:30:58.500 --> 00:31:00.639
 alien world that is as

00:31:00.639 --> 00:31:01.720
 indifferent to his

00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.920
 hopes as it is for his

00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:05.200
 sufferings and his

00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:05.819
 crimes.

00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:07.579
 So John Gray's saying

00:31:07.579 --> 00:31:08.400
 if you really want to

00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:09.160
 believe that your life

00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:10.900
 is random, you've got

00:31:10.900 --> 00:31:11.639
 to believe that the

00:31:11.639 --> 00:31:13.059
 universe doesn't care

00:31:13.059 --> 00:31:14.519
 about what you hope

00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:16.500
 for, he doesn't care

00:31:16.500 --> 00:31:17.400
 about your suffering,

00:31:17.900 --> 00:31:18.759
 and it doesn't care

00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:19.559
 about your morality,

00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:20.359
 because it's just

00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:20.799
 random.

00:31:21.539 --> 00:31:22.700
 So try living that out,

00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:23.500
 he says, and see if

00:31:23.500 --> 00:31:24.420
 you really believe it.

00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:27.359
 So, for example, what

00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:28.639
 should an atheist say

00:31:28.639 --> 00:31:30.879
 to somebody, a mother,

00:31:31.660 --> 00:31:33.660
 whose teenage son has

00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:35.220
 been killed in a hit-and-run

00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:36.059
 car accident?

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:38.160
 Motorist came round a

00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:39.200
 blind corner, driving

00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.160
 too fast in a country

00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:41.680
 lane, killed him, and

00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:42.339
 then drove off.

00:31:42.339 --> 00:31:43.939
 So that's what happened

00:31:43.939 --> 00:31:45.099
 to my mother, Jean's,

00:31:45.399 --> 00:31:46.959
 my mother, my mother,

00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:48.240
 his best friend,

00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:48.959
 and they wrote Jean.

00:31:49.259 --> 00:31:50.299
 What should my mum have

00:31:50.299 --> 00:31:52.119
 said to Jean if she was

00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:52.419
 an atheist?

00:31:52.939 --> 00:31:55.459
 Just, um, unlucky.

00:31:56.500 --> 00:31:56.939
 Unlucky.

00:31:57.599 --> 00:31:58.299
 That's it, isn't it?

00:31:58.299 --> 00:31:59.359
 Just the way in which

00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.059
 the atoms of the universe

00:32:01.059 --> 00:32:01.959
 bumped into one another

00:32:01.959 --> 00:32:03.939
 many million years after

00:32:03.939 --> 00:32:05.579
 they started purposely

00:32:05.579 --> 00:32:07.240
 that unlucky.

00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:09.119
 That's all you can say,

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:09.779
 because the universe

00:32:09.779 --> 00:32:10.459
 doesn't care, it's just

00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:10.759
 random.

00:32:11.380 --> 00:32:13.120
 Now, I don't know any

00:32:13.120 --> 00:32:13.980
 atheist who would be

00:32:13.980 --> 00:32:15.400
 that kind of rude or

00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:16.120
 unthinking.

00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:17.180
 I'm not suggesting

00:32:17.180 --> 00:32:18.279
 atheists actually would

00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:19.319
 say that to a grieving

00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:19.680
 mother.

00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:22.100
 I'm just saying that if

00:32:22.100 --> 00:32:23.900
 they were honest and

00:32:23.900 --> 00:32:25.840
 consistent, that is what

00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:26.299
 they'd say.

00:32:27.140 --> 00:32:28.200
 Instead, my face, as I

00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.019
 know, would say something

00:32:29.019 --> 00:32:30.039
 like it being a terrible

00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:32.579
 tragedy and feeling for

00:32:32.579 --> 00:32:33.380
 you and your loss.

00:32:34.400 --> 00:32:35.440
 But what they mean is

00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:36.460
 unlucky.

00:32:37.059 --> 00:32:37.539
 Meaningless.

00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:38.840
 Unlucky.

00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:39.319
 Unlucky.

00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:40.019
 Now, of course,

00:32:40.459 --> 00:32:41.259
 sophisticated atheists,

00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:42.000
 they might say something

00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.839
 like, no, I care about it

00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.339
 because I've evolved to

00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:45.839
 care.

00:32:46.679 --> 00:32:47.899
 We've evolved to be in a

00:32:47.899 --> 00:32:49.439
 society where we worry

00:32:49.439 --> 00:32:50.039
 about each other.

00:32:50.899 --> 00:32:51.579
 But the trouble with that

00:32:51.579 --> 00:32:53.019
 is it boils down to

00:32:53.019 --> 00:32:53.819
 something that doesn't

00:32:53.819 --> 00:32:54.179
 care.

00:32:55.179 --> 00:32:57.579
 So sociology, in atheism,

00:32:57.639 --> 00:32:58.740
 is reducible to

00:32:58.740 --> 00:32:59.279
 psychology.

00:32:59.419 --> 00:33:00.139
 It's just the behaviour

00:33:00.139 --> 00:33:00.879
 of lots of brains

00:33:00.879 --> 00:33:01.619
 together in a room.

00:33:02.419 --> 00:33:03.599
 So it's reducible to

00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:04.799
 explaining each particular

00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.139
 brain.

00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:06.519
 But psychology is

00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:07.699
 reducible to biology

00:33:07.700 --> 00:33:08.480
 because all your brain

00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:09.580
 is is a biological

00:33:09.580 --> 00:33:10.019
 thing.

00:33:10.500 --> 00:33:11.140
 And biology is

00:33:11.140 --> 00:33:12.259
 reducible to chemistry

00:33:12.259 --> 00:33:12.840
 because all the

00:33:12.840 --> 00:33:13.559
 biological things is

00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:14.500
 complicated chemicals.

00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:15.559
 And chemistry is

00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:16.480
 reducible to physics

00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:17.180
 and physics is

00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:17.980
 reducible to matter

00:33:17.980 --> 00:33:18.600
 and chance and

00:33:18.600 --> 00:33:19.000
 matter and chance

00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:19.580
 doesn't care.

00:33:20.779 --> 00:33:22.259
 So you're seeming to

00:33:22.259 --> 00:33:22.500
 care.

00:33:22.580 --> 00:33:23.340
 It's just an illusion

00:33:23.340 --> 00:33:25.400
 created by randomness,

00:33:26.340 --> 00:33:27.420
 says atheism.

00:33:28.380 --> 00:33:29.380
 And what about your

00:33:29.380 --> 00:33:29.940
 crimes?

00:33:30.660 --> 00:33:32.279
 I was talking to one

00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:32.799
 of the professors

00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:34.900
 doing my PhD, a lady

00:33:34.900 --> 00:33:35.460
 called Kate.

00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:36.100
 She's a very

00:33:36.099 --> 00:33:37.659
 intelligent lady, but

00:33:37.659 --> 00:33:38.000
 an atheist.

00:33:38.259 --> 00:33:38.839
 And I said to her,

00:33:38.879 --> 00:33:40.219
 Kate, I wanted to

00:33:40.219 --> 00:33:40.679
 eat a coffee.

00:33:40.779 --> 00:33:41.259
 I said, Kate, I

00:33:41.259 --> 00:33:41.740
 don't understand.

00:33:41.819 --> 00:33:42.619
 If you're right about

00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:44.459
 the world, why would

00:33:44.459 --> 00:33:45.699
 killing you be wrong?

00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:47.939
 In particular, why

00:33:47.939 --> 00:33:48.519
 would it be any

00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:49.879
 different to cutting a

00:33:49.879 --> 00:33:51.240
 grapefruit in half my

00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:51.759
 breakfast?

00:33:52.619 --> 00:33:53.459
 Kate's atoms,

00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:54.799
 grapefruit atoms.

00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:56.039
 Much the same kind of

00:33:56.039 --> 00:33:56.259
 thing.

00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:57.679
 All I'd be doing in

00:33:57.679 --> 00:33:58.399
 both cases would be

00:33:58.399 --> 00:33:59.019
 increasing the

00:33:59.019 --> 00:33:59.559
 entropy of the

00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:00.159
 universe by a

00:34:00.159 --> 00:34:00.719
 factor of two.

00:34:00.720 --> 00:34:03.720
 You know, I

00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:04.539
 have to say, Kate and

00:34:04.539 --> 00:34:05.339
 I were good friends.

00:34:05.460 --> 00:34:07.120
 This is a cheeky

00:34:07.120 --> 00:34:08.159
 question, rather than

00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:08.860
 I actually wanted to

00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:09.500
 kill that, just to

00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:09.720
 clarify.

00:34:10.699 --> 00:34:12.400
 She said, she

00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:13.000
 thought about it for

00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:13.539
 a moment, she said,

00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:15.579
 well, my mother would

00:34:15.579 --> 00:34:16.260
 be upset.

00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:18.579
 That's the answer.

00:34:19.019 --> 00:34:19.639
 But then I said to

00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:20.380
 her, but Kate, what's

00:34:20.380 --> 00:34:20.940
 upset?

00:34:21.240 --> 00:34:22.460
 What is upset?

00:34:23.619 --> 00:34:24.740
 Upset is just the

00:34:24.740 --> 00:34:25.480
 change in the

00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:26.880
 concentration of a

00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.320
 particular chemical in

00:34:29.320 --> 00:34:30.640
 the randomly assembled

00:34:30.640 --> 00:34:31.460
 collection of atoms,

00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:32.280
 which is your mother's

00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:32.600
 brain.

00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:35.180
 That's what she said

00:34:35.180 --> 00:34:36.019
 that she believed

00:34:36.019 --> 00:34:36.580
 about life.

00:34:36.640 --> 00:34:37.240
 She didn't believe

00:34:37.240 --> 00:34:37.480
 that.

00:34:37.580 --> 00:34:38.140
 She wasn't living

00:34:38.140 --> 00:34:38.440
 that.

00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:39.940
 But it's what she

00:34:39.940 --> 00:34:40.480
 said she believed

00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:40.880
 as an atheist.

00:34:41.180 --> 00:34:42.580
 It can't make sense

00:34:42.580 --> 00:34:44.700
 of our sense of

00:34:44.700 --> 00:34:45.300
 right and wrong,

00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:46.280
 hope and tragedy

00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:46.780
 and suffering.

00:34:46.860 --> 00:34:47.340
 It doesn't make any

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:47.840
 sense of that.

00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:49.620
 Whereas the Bible

00:34:49.620 --> 00:34:50.340
 really does make

00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:50.820
 sense of those

00:34:50.820 --> 00:34:51.200
 things.

00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:53.059
 We matter as

00:34:53.059 --> 00:34:53.840
 people because we

00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:54.460
 are made by a

00:34:54.460 --> 00:34:55.300
 person of God.

00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.860
 Our suffering

00:34:57.860 --> 00:34:58.559
 matters because we

00:34:58.559 --> 00:34:59.100
 are made by a

00:34:59.099 --> 00:34:59.719
 loving God who

00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:00.839
 intended for things

00:35:00.839 --> 00:35:02.940
 to be good before

00:35:02.940 --> 00:35:03.599
 we mess things

00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:03.900
 up.

00:35:04.839 --> 00:35:05.799
 And our crimes

00:35:05.799 --> 00:35:06.639
 matter to God

00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.119
 because God is a

00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:08.699
 moral God who

00:35:08.699 --> 00:35:09.239
 loves good and

00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:09.839
 hates evil.

00:35:10.539 --> 00:35:11.639
 Makes sense of

00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:12.299
 those things.

00:35:14.059 --> 00:35:14.920
 But of course

00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:15.319
 the problem

00:35:15.319 --> 00:35:15.759
 with something

00:35:15.759 --> 00:35:17.000
 personal, a

00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:17.519
 relationship with

00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:17.860
 God that's

00:35:17.860 --> 00:35:20.339
 personal, is it's

00:35:20.339 --> 00:35:21.059
 out of the

00:35:21.059 --> 00:35:21.699
 boundaries of

00:35:21.699 --> 00:35:22.319
 where science

00:35:22.319 --> 00:35:22.980
 can get you.

00:35:23.139 --> 00:35:23.639
 Let me just

00:35:23.639 --> 00:35:23.940
 read to you

00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:24.500
 again from

00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:25.159
 Paul's speech.

00:35:25.219 --> 00:35:25.860
 He said this.

00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:27.319
 He said,

00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:27.940
 God made

00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:29.519
 from one man

00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:30.100
 every nation

00:35:30.100 --> 00:35:30.720
 of mankind

00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:32.320
 in order that

00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:32.740
 they should

00:35:32.740 --> 00:35:33.700
 seek God

00:35:33.700 --> 00:35:34.880
 and perhaps

00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:35.680
 feel their way

00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:36.440
 towards him

00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:37.500
 and find him.

00:35:38.620 --> 00:35:39.380
 He's not

00:35:39.380 --> 00:35:39.940
 far from each

00:35:39.940 --> 00:35:40.340
 one of us.

00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:40.920
 Now that for

00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:42.500
 me was an

00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:43.059
 extraordinary

00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:43.820
 thought when I

00:35:43.820 --> 00:35:44.539
 first came across

00:35:44.539 --> 00:35:44.760
 it.

00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:45.740
 Not just that

00:35:45.740 --> 00:35:46.220
 God is the

00:35:46.220 --> 00:35:47.440
 explanation for

00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:48.440
 a long, long

00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:48.960
 time ago

00:35:48.960 --> 00:35:49.400
 why it went

00:35:49.400 --> 00:35:49.780
 bang,

00:35:50.860 --> 00:35:51.660
 but that God

00:35:51.660 --> 00:35:52.860
 intends to

00:35:52.860 --> 00:35:53.680
 know me

00:35:53.680 --> 00:35:54.360
 personally.

00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:56.059
 He wants me

00:35:56.059 --> 00:35:56.820
 to relate to

00:35:56.820 --> 00:35:59.000
 him and him

00:35:59.000 --> 00:35:59.519
 to relate to

00:35:59.519 --> 00:35:59.980
 me on a

00:35:59.980 --> 00:36:00.780
 personal level.

00:36:01.780 --> 00:36:02.160
 Now that was

00:36:02.160 --> 00:36:02.980
 a mind-blowing

00:36:02.980 --> 00:36:04.480
 thought for me.

00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:05.680
 But the

00:36:05.680 --> 00:36:06.099
 trouble with

00:36:06.099 --> 00:36:06.820
 knowing people

00:36:06.820 --> 00:36:09.039
 personally is

00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:09.860
 science can't

00:36:09.860 --> 00:36:10.599
 really do that.

00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:11.700
 It's not that

00:36:11.700 --> 00:36:12.380
 science isn't

00:36:12.380 --> 00:36:13.360
 really good and

00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:14.320
 useful and

00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:15.960
 powerful, it's

00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:16.620
 just science

00:36:16.620 --> 00:36:17.260
 can't tell you

00:36:17.260 --> 00:36:17.920
 everything that's

00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.440
 important about

00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:19.940
 the world.

00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:20.840
 And in

00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:21.500
 particular it's

00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:22.179
 not very good

00:36:22.179 --> 00:36:22.639
 at telling you

00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:23.519
 about people.

00:36:24.019 --> 00:36:24.579
 Let's suppose

00:36:24.579 --> 00:36:25.300
 that you wanted

00:36:25.300 --> 00:36:25.800
 to get to

00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:26.260
 know me,

00:36:27.179 --> 00:36:27.940
 which maybe

00:36:27.940 --> 00:36:28.539
 as a result of

00:36:28.539 --> 00:36:29.000
 this talk you

00:36:29.000 --> 00:36:29.519
 really don't,

00:36:29.599 --> 00:36:29.960
 but I don't

00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:30.159
 know.

00:36:30.460 --> 00:36:30.920
 Let's suppose

00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:31.360
 you wanted to

00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:31.679
 get to know

00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:32.059
 me better,

00:36:32.739 --> 00:36:33.599
 but all you

00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:34.079
 were allowed

00:36:34.079 --> 00:36:34.880
 to go on

00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:35.880
 was things

00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.320
 that you could

00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:36.920
 work out by

00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:37.320
 scientific

00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:37.880
 experiments.

00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:39.900
 What could

00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:40.679
 you find out?

00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:43.099
 Well, you

00:36:43.099 --> 00:36:43.519
 could do

00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:44.860
 scanning electron

00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:45.900
 microscopy on

00:36:45.900 --> 00:36:46.539
 the fibres of

00:36:46.539 --> 00:36:47.099
 my genes,

00:36:47.719 --> 00:36:48.179
 and you could

00:36:48.179 --> 00:36:48.719
 tell me if I'm

00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:49.260
 wearing natural

00:36:49.260 --> 00:36:49.800
 fibres or

00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:50.539
 mixed fibres.

00:36:50.539 --> 00:36:51.860
 You could

00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:52.820
 see the dust

00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:53.380
 lights and

00:36:53.380 --> 00:36:53.900
 tell me whether

00:36:53.900 --> 00:36:54.279
 I've got an

00:36:54.279 --> 00:36:54.920
 above average

00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:55.659
 density of

00:36:55.659 --> 00:36:55.840
 them.

00:36:56.500 --> 00:36:56.980
 That kind of

00:36:56.980 --> 00:36:57.179
 thing.

00:36:57.500 --> 00:36:57.840
 You could

00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:58.199
 tell me if I

00:36:58.199 --> 00:36:58.519
 sat in

00:36:58.519 --> 00:36:58.719
 everything

00:36:58.719 --> 00:36:59.259
 nasty on

00:36:59.259 --> 00:36:59.599
 the tube

00:36:59.599 --> 00:36:59.840
 without

00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:00.219
 realizing.

00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:01.259
 That kind

00:37:01.259 --> 00:37:01.480
 of stuff.

00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:02.279
 Then you

00:37:02.279 --> 00:37:02.739
 could do

00:37:02.739 --> 00:37:04.119
 gas chromatography

00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:04.559
 under my

00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:05.099
 armpits,

00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:05.960
 and you

00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:06.320
 could tell me

00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:06.960
 what deodorant

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.440
 I'm wearing

00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:07.940
 and whether

00:37:07.940 --> 00:37:08.400
 or not it's

00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:08.900
 coping with

00:37:08.900 --> 00:37:09.340
 this slightly

00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:09.860
 intimidating

00:37:09.860 --> 00:37:10.460
 situation.

00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:12.619
 You could

00:37:12.619 --> 00:37:13.300
 do DNA

00:37:13.300 --> 00:37:14.340
 fingerprinting,

00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:14.860
 you could

00:37:14.860 --> 00:37:15.480
 work out if

00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:15.980
 I'm related

00:37:15.980 --> 00:37:16.559
 to anyone on

00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:17.259
 the Interpol

00:37:17.259 --> 00:37:18.119
 database,

00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.219
 or whether

00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:20.819
 I'm likely

00:37:20.819 --> 00:37:21.319
 to die

00:37:21.319 --> 00:37:22.079
 young of

00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:22.460
 a known

00:37:22.460 --> 00:37:22.859
 genetic

00:37:22.859 --> 00:37:23.380
 illness.

00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:24.960
 And that

00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:25.440
 is about

00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:25.779
 all.

00:37:25.980 --> 00:37:26.219
 I think

00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:26.599
 that's about

00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:26.880
 all you

00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:27.239
 could tell.

00:37:28.500 --> 00:37:29.380
 So you

00:37:29.380 --> 00:37:29.920
 couldn't tell

00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:30.559
 my name,

00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:32.199
 you couldn't

00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:32.839
 tell what I

00:37:32.839 --> 00:37:33.299
 love,

00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:34.099
 what makes

00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:34.659
 me laugh,

00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:34.940
 what makes

00:37:34.940 --> 00:37:35.480
 me cry,

00:37:36.259 --> 00:37:36.859
 you couldn't

00:37:36.859 --> 00:37:37.199
 tell who

00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:37.659
 is important

00:37:37.659 --> 00:37:38.079
 to me,

00:37:39.099 --> 00:37:39.480
 you couldn't

00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:39.859
 tell me what

00:37:39.859 --> 00:37:40.460
 I would die

00:37:40.460 --> 00:37:40.859
 for.

00:37:41.900 --> 00:37:42.159
 In fact,

00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:43.059
 almost anything

00:37:43.059 --> 00:37:43.739
 that's important

00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:44.319
 about knowing

00:37:44.319 --> 00:37:44.699
 me as a

00:37:44.699 --> 00:37:46.059
 person would

00:37:46.059 --> 00:37:46.500
 be beyond

00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:46.619
 you.

00:37:46.780 --> 00:37:47.039
 And don't

00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:47.239
 get me

00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:47.380
 wrong,

00:37:47.460 --> 00:37:47.739
 it's not

00:37:47.739 --> 00:37:48.219
 that science

00:37:48.219 --> 00:37:48.699
 isn't really

00:37:48.699 --> 00:37:49.139
 powerful,

00:37:49.940 --> 00:37:50.559
 science is a

00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:50.760
 really,

00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:51.219
 really useful

00:37:51.219 --> 00:37:51.500
 thing,

00:37:51.900 --> 00:37:52.480
 but science

00:37:52.480 --> 00:37:53.039
 can't tell us

00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:53.659
 everything that's

00:37:53.659 --> 00:37:54.079
 important.

00:37:54.980 --> 00:37:55.559
 Which is why

00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:56.519
 I very much

00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:56.940
 doubt that

00:37:56.940 --> 00:37:57.599
 anyone here

00:37:57.599 --> 00:37:58.280
 who's in a

00:37:58.280 --> 00:37:59.119
 relationship

00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:00.440
 began on

00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:00.860
 their first

00:38:00.860 --> 00:38:01.260
 date by

00:38:01.260 --> 00:38:01.579
 saying,

00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:02.519
 excuse me,

00:38:02.579 --> 00:38:02.900
 can I take

00:38:02.900 --> 00:38:03.460
 a small DNA

00:38:03.460 --> 00:38:04.099
 sample and

00:38:04.099 --> 00:38:04.360
 I'll be

00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:04.840
 back with you

00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:05.039
 in a

00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:05.539
 position in

00:38:05.539 --> 00:38:05.820
 a couple

00:38:05.820 --> 00:38:06.139
 of weeks

00:38:06.139 --> 00:38:06.420
 time.

00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:07.519
 I doubt

00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:07.780
 that.

00:38:08.820 --> 00:38:09.239
 Because when

00:38:09.239 --> 00:38:09.599
 it comes to

00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:10.099
 knowing people,

00:38:10.219 --> 00:38:10.639
 science is out

00:38:10.639 --> 00:38:11.280
 of its depth.

00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:12.579
 You need them

00:38:12.579 --> 00:38:13.000
 to reproduce

00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:13.519
 themselves,

00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:14.380
 to speak to

00:38:14.380 --> 00:38:14.579
 them,

00:38:14.579 --> 00:38:15.639
 to relate

00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:15.900
 to them

00:38:15.900 --> 00:38:16.380
 like that.

00:38:17.259 --> 00:38:17.599
 And the

00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:17.940
 Bible's

00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:18.380
 claim is that

00:38:18.380 --> 00:38:18.619
 that is

00:38:18.619 --> 00:38:19.279
 exactly what

00:38:19.279 --> 00:38:19.679
 God has

00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:21.179
 done with

00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:21.400
 us.

00:38:21.420 --> 00:38:21.639
 And this

00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:21.920
 is our

00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:22.279
 closing

00:38:22.279 --> 00:38:23.059
 filter today.

00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:24.259
 Rather than

00:38:24.259 --> 00:38:24.739
 leaving us

00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:25.400
 to guess

00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:26.159
 about him,

00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:27.719
 or even

00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:28.279
 rather than

00:38:28.279 --> 00:38:28.779
 leaving us

00:38:28.779 --> 00:38:29.259
 to try and

00:38:29.259 --> 00:38:30.259
 do experiments

00:38:30.259 --> 00:38:30.739
 on him,

00:38:30.799 --> 00:38:31.619
 because that's

00:38:31.619 --> 00:38:31.860
 typical,

00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:32.259
 isn't it?

00:38:32.279 --> 00:38:32.619
 If God's

00:38:32.619 --> 00:38:33.099
 everywhere,

00:38:34.059 --> 00:38:34.639
 how are you

00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:35.099
 supposed to

00:38:35.099 --> 00:38:35.699
 get rid of

00:38:35.699 --> 00:38:36.059
 him from

00:38:36.059 --> 00:38:36.420
 the moment,

00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:36.960
 to take a

00:38:36.960 --> 00:38:37.519
 control,

00:38:37.980 --> 00:38:38.519
 no reading?

00:38:39.179 --> 00:38:39.659
 What would

00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:40.019
 the universe

00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:40.500
 without God

00:38:40.500 --> 00:38:41.059
 look like if

00:38:41.059 --> 00:38:41.519
 this is the

00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:42.000
 universe we've

00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:42.219
 got to

00:38:42.219 --> 00:38:42.460
 measure?

00:38:42.699 --> 00:38:43.659
 You can't

00:38:43.659 --> 00:38:44.119
 even do the

00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:44.519
 experiment.

00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:45.739
 define that

00:38:45.739 --> 00:38:45.980
 kind of

00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:46.380
 thing out.

00:38:47.019 --> 00:38:47.599
 But rather than

00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:47.920
 leaving us in

00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:48.179
 the dark,

00:38:48.259 --> 00:38:48.559
 God has

00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:49.319
 made himself

00:38:49.319 --> 00:38:49.739
 known,

00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:51.319
 and he's

00:38:51.319 --> 00:38:51.759
 done that

00:38:51.759 --> 00:38:52.119
 through the

00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:52.559
 man Jesus

00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:53.019
 Christ,

00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:53.340
 who was

00:38:53.340 --> 00:38:53.880
 really born

00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:54.619
 in history,

00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:55.559
 and really

00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:56.360
 lived and

00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:57.039
 really died,

00:38:58.119 --> 00:38:59.000
 and he's

00:38:59.000 --> 00:38:59.420
 given us

00:38:59.420 --> 00:39:00.159
 evidence,

00:39:01.059 --> 00:39:01.639
 Paul says.

00:39:02.179 --> 00:39:02.500
 And this

00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:03.039
 is the last

00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:03.579
 verse of

00:39:03.579 --> 00:39:04.179
 this speech,

00:39:04.259 --> 00:39:04.759
 verse 31.

00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:06.400
 God

00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:07.400
 commands us to

00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:07.799
 change our

00:39:07.799 --> 00:39:08.199
 minds about

00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:08.360
 him,

00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:08.960
 because he's

00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:09.480
 fixed the

00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.079
 day on which

00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:10.699
 he will judge

00:39:10.699 --> 00:39:11.340
 the world in

00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:11.880
 righteousness,

00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:12.119
 righteousness,

00:39:12.619 --> 00:39:13.140
 by a man

00:39:13.140 --> 00:39:13.340
 he's

00:39:13.340 --> 00:39:13.720
 appointed,

00:39:14.780 --> 00:39:15.160
 and of

00:39:15.160 --> 00:39:15.619
 this he's

00:39:15.619 --> 00:39:16.519
 given assurance

00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:18.619
 or proof by

00:39:18.619 --> 00:39:19.380
 raising him

00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:19.800
 from the

00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:20.099
 dead.

00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:21.380
 When they

00:39:21.380 --> 00:39:21.660
 heard about

00:39:21.660 --> 00:39:22.160
 the resurrection,

00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:23.019
 some mocked,

00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:23.539
 others said,

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:24.079
 we'll hear more

00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:24.559
 about this.

00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:25.380
 God has given

00:39:25.380 --> 00:39:26.039
 assurance or

00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:27.660
 proof by

00:39:27.660 --> 00:39:28.220
 raising him

00:39:28.220 --> 00:39:28.500
 from the

00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:28.579
 dead.

00:39:28.640 --> 00:39:28.860
 And that

00:39:28.860 --> 00:39:29.579
 was a real

00:39:29.579 --> 00:39:30.340
 surprise to

00:39:30.340 --> 00:39:32.019
 me as an

00:39:32.019 --> 00:39:32.760
 18 year old.

00:39:33.160 --> 00:39:33.460
 See, because

00:39:33.460 --> 00:39:34.420
 I bought into

00:39:34.420 --> 00:39:36.000
 the idea that

00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:36.440
 as Richard

00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:37.119
 Dawkins puts

00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:38.500
 it, science

00:39:38.500 --> 00:39:38.859
 is about

00:39:38.859 --> 00:39:40.519
 facts and

00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:40.859
 it gets

00:39:40.859 --> 00:39:41.420
 results.

00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:42.539
 And

00:39:42.539 --> 00:39:42.980
 Christianity

00:39:42.980 --> 00:39:43.460
 is about

00:39:43.460 --> 00:39:44.199
 myths and

00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:45.000
 fairy tales

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:46.059
 and it

00:39:46.059 --> 00:39:46.359
 doesn't.

00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:46.679
 So he

00:39:46.679 --> 00:39:47.159
 divides the

00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:47.460
 world up

00:39:47.460 --> 00:39:48.699
 into actual

00:39:48.699 --> 00:39:49.440
 thinking and

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.219
 fact stuff,

00:39:50.299 --> 00:39:50.659
 which is over

00:39:50.659 --> 00:39:51.460
 on my side,

00:39:52.019 --> 00:39:52.759
 and flaky

00:39:52.759 --> 00:39:53.420
 imagination

00:39:53.420 --> 00:39:54.119
 stuff, if you

00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:54.559
 like that kind

00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:54.900
 of thing,

00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:56.019
 which is on

00:39:56.019 --> 00:39:56.719
 Jesus' side.

00:39:57.719 --> 00:39:58.199
 And here

00:39:58.199 --> 00:39:58.599
 was something

00:39:58.599 --> 00:39:59.219
 about Jesus

00:39:59.219 --> 00:39:59.659
 that was in

00:39:59.659 --> 00:40:00.259
 the facts

00:40:00.259 --> 00:40:00.839
 category,

00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.219
 in the

00:40:02.219 --> 00:40:02.619
 evidence

00:40:02.619 --> 00:40:03.019
 category,

00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:03.359
 in the

00:40:03.359 --> 00:40:04.199
 what actually

00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:04.759
 happened in

00:40:04.759 --> 00:40:06.299
 history category.

00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:07.980
 I started to

00:40:07.980 --> 00:40:08.420
 realise that

00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:08.880
 the Bible

00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:09.599
 wasn't just

00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:09.980
 a kind of

00:40:09.980 --> 00:40:11.500
 religious book

00:40:11.500 --> 00:40:12.099
 that someone

00:40:12.099 --> 00:40:12.480
 had written

00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:13.079
 to express

00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:13.859
 their imagination,

00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:14.900
 a bit like

00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:15.699
 someone paints

00:40:15.699 --> 00:40:16.059
 a religious

00:40:16.059 --> 00:40:16.639
 painting or

00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:16.940
 a stain

00:40:16.940 --> 00:40:17.380
 on Sunday.

00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:17.960
 That's what

00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:18.319
 I thought it

00:40:18.319 --> 00:40:18.579
 was.

00:40:19.099 --> 00:40:19.579
 I realised

00:40:19.579 --> 00:40:19.839
 that the

00:40:19.839 --> 00:40:20.299
 New Testament

00:40:20.299 --> 00:40:21.019
 contained

00:40:21.019 --> 00:40:22.139
 eyewitness

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:23.099
 documents about

00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:23.699
 what people

00:40:23.699 --> 00:40:24.339
 had seen

00:40:24.339 --> 00:40:25.900
 about Jesus.

00:40:26.619 --> 00:40:26.960
 And that the

00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:27.339
 people who

00:40:27.339 --> 00:40:27.900
 wrote them

00:40:27.900 --> 00:40:29.239
 were sometimes

00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:30.880
 martyred and

00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:31.599
 lost their

00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:32.079
 life for

00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:33.460
 defending the

00:40:33.460 --> 00:40:33.900
 things that

00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:34.500
 they said.

00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:36.119
 That was

00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:37.599
 pretty striking.

00:40:38.359 --> 00:40:38.859
 I started to

00:40:38.859 --> 00:40:39.279
 ask questions

00:40:39.279 --> 00:40:39.659
 like what

00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:40.059
 actually

00:40:40.059 --> 00:40:40.519
 happened?

00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:41.519
 Who was

00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:41.980
 this man

00:40:41.980 --> 00:40:42.480
 in history?

00:40:42.980 --> 00:40:43.639
 Jesus Christ.

00:40:43.779 --> 00:40:44.299
 Was he just

00:40:44.299 --> 00:40:47.359
 a religious

00:40:47.359 --> 00:40:48.819
 lunatic that

00:40:48.819 --> 00:40:49.480
 convinced people?

00:40:50.420 --> 00:40:51.179
 Or was he

00:40:51.179 --> 00:40:51.859
 actually the

00:40:51.859 --> 00:40:52.599
 creator of

00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:53.359
 the universe

00:40:53.359 --> 00:40:54.579
 coming to

00:40:54.579 --> 00:40:55.139
 the universe?

00:40:56.099 --> 00:40:56.400
 I started

00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:56.739
 reading about

00:40:56.739 --> 00:40:57.319
 these miracles.

00:40:58.179 --> 00:40:58.579
 It's interesting

00:40:58.579 --> 00:40:58.859
 isn't it?

00:40:58.880 --> 00:40:59.219
 People go

00:40:59.219 --> 00:40:59.779
 both ways of

00:40:59.779 --> 00:40:59.980
 miracles.

00:41:00.059 --> 00:41:00.400
 Some people

00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:01.319
 say, oh

00:41:01.319 --> 00:41:02.119
 miracles aren't

00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:02.480
 possible

00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:03.000
 scientifically.

00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:03.779
 If you did

00:41:03.779 --> 00:41:04.259
 miracles it

00:41:04.259 --> 00:41:04.739
 must be a

00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:05.219
 fairy tale.

00:41:05.219 --> 00:41:06.159
 I think

00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:06.500
 that's a bit

00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:06.959
 unfair really

00:41:06.959 --> 00:41:07.639
 because if

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:07.899
 you think for

00:41:07.899 --> 00:41:08.119
 a moment,

00:41:08.579 --> 00:41:09.139
 if someone

00:41:09.139 --> 00:41:09.599
 came into

00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:09.939
 the world

00:41:09.939 --> 00:41:10.179
 and they

00:41:10.179 --> 00:41:10.739
 were actually

00:41:10.739 --> 00:41:11.219
 God who

00:41:11.219 --> 00:41:11.759
 created the

00:41:11.759 --> 00:41:12.199
 worlds,

00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:13.159
 I think you

00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:13.379
 would be

00:41:13.379 --> 00:41:14.039
 more suspicious

00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:14.559
 if nothing

00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:15.199
 unusual happened.

00:41:15.539 --> 00:41:16.259
 If I said,

00:41:16.459 --> 00:41:17.000
 I'm God,

00:41:17.099 --> 00:41:17.319
 and they

00:41:17.319 --> 00:41:17.639
 go, oh

00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:17.779
 really,

00:41:17.839 --> 00:41:18.099
 prove it

00:41:18.099 --> 00:41:18.219
 then.

00:41:18.259 --> 00:41:18.519
 Oh no,

00:41:18.559 --> 00:41:18.919
 I can't

00:41:18.919 --> 00:41:19.319
 actually do

00:41:19.319 --> 00:41:19.819
 anything other

00:41:19.819 --> 00:41:20.179
 human beings

00:41:20.179 --> 00:41:20.659
 can't do.

00:41:21.139 --> 00:41:21.359
 Yeah,

00:41:21.439 --> 00:41:21.859
 like get out

00:41:21.859 --> 00:41:22.099
 of here.

00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:23.939
 If I say I'm

00:41:23.939 --> 00:41:24.059
 God,

00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:24.759
 you'd expect

00:41:24.759 --> 00:41:25.459
 some kind of

00:41:25.459 --> 00:41:25.839
 things that

00:41:25.839 --> 00:41:26.339
 only someone

00:41:26.339 --> 00:41:26.799
 who was God

00:41:26.799 --> 00:41:27.199
 could do.

00:41:27.779 --> 00:41:28.259
 Things that

00:41:28.259 --> 00:41:29.299
 involved adjusting

00:41:29.299 --> 00:41:29.799
 the laws of

00:41:29.799 --> 00:41:30.319
 physics or

00:41:30.319 --> 00:41:30.759
 biology.

00:41:31.319 --> 00:41:31.759
 That would

00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:32.300
 impress you.

00:41:33.420 --> 00:41:33.720
 And Paul

00:41:33.720 --> 00:41:34.240
 says Jesus

00:41:34.240 --> 00:41:35.000
 has done

00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.120
 this by

00:41:36.120 --> 00:41:36.620
 raising,

00:41:36.700 --> 00:41:37.020
 or God

00:41:37.020 --> 00:41:37.280
 has done

00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:37.580
 this by

00:41:37.580 --> 00:41:38.400
 raising Jesus

00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:39.700
 from the

00:41:39.700 --> 00:41:39.980
 dead.

00:41:40.740 --> 00:41:41.060
 If you're

00:41:41.060 --> 00:41:41.540
 a scientific

00:41:41.540 --> 00:41:42.120
 person,

00:41:42.820 --> 00:41:43.380
 I urge you

00:41:43.380 --> 00:41:43.820
 to look at

00:41:43.820 --> 00:41:44.840
 the evidence

00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:45.400
 of Jesus.

00:41:46.240 --> 00:41:46.720
 His life,

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:47.240
 his death,

00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:48.160
 and his

00:41:48.160 --> 00:41:48.580
 resurrection.

00:41:49.180 --> 00:41:49.700
 And ask

00:41:49.700 --> 00:41:50.280
 yourself,

00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:51.420
 is this

00:41:51.420 --> 00:41:51.940
 what happened?

00:41:52.980 --> 00:41:53.580
 Now in

00:41:53.580 --> 00:41:54.300
 the God

00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:54.760
 Elysium,

00:41:54.940 --> 00:41:55.160
 Richard

00:41:55.160 --> 00:41:55.580
 talked to

00:41:55.580 --> 00:41:56.060
 speak about

00:41:56.060 --> 00:41:56.600
 the resurrection

00:41:56.600 --> 00:41:57.580
 only once,

00:41:58.520 --> 00:41:59.320
 and similarly

00:41:59.320 --> 00:41:59.680
 I've heard

00:41:59.680 --> 00:41:59.900
 him on

00:41:59.900 --> 00:42:00.440
 debates on

00:42:00.440 --> 00:42:00.720
 this.

00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:01.559
 And that

00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:02.299
 is to say

00:42:02.299 --> 00:42:03.279
 that it

00:42:03.279 --> 00:42:04.179
 cannot have

00:42:04.179 --> 00:42:04.799
 happened,

00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:05.959
 no matter

00:42:05.959 --> 00:42:06.219
 what the

00:42:06.219 --> 00:42:06.619
 evidence is,

00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.179
 it can't

00:42:07.179 --> 00:42:07.659
 have happened,

00:42:08.339 --> 00:42:08.759
 because it

00:42:08.759 --> 00:42:09.500
 contradicts the

00:42:09.500 --> 00:42:09.879
 laws of

00:42:09.879 --> 00:42:10.399
 science.

00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:11.739
 That's

00:42:11.739 --> 00:42:12.239
 true.

00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:13.379
 Because

00:42:13.379 --> 00:42:13.719
 I'm just

00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:14.019
 not the

00:42:14.019 --> 00:42:14.579
 gods who

00:42:14.579 --> 00:42:15.279
 designed the

00:42:15.279 --> 00:42:15.599
 laws of

00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:16.000
 science,

00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:16.959
 and he

00:42:16.959 --> 00:42:17.379
 keeps them

00:42:17.379 --> 00:42:17.879
 the same,

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.319
 day after

00:42:18.319 --> 00:42:18.639
 day after

00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:18.879
 day,

00:42:18.959 --> 00:42:19.480
 from changing

00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:19.919
 them one

00:42:19.919 --> 00:42:20.219
 day,

00:42:21.139 --> 00:42:21.539
 to make

00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:21.959
 the central

00:42:21.959 --> 00:42:22.379
 point in

00:42:22.379 --> 00:42:22.759
 history.

00:42:23.739 --> 00:42:24.179
 What Mr.

00:42:24.179 --> 00:42:24.480
 Dawkins

00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:25.019
 really means

00:42:25.019 --> 00:42:25.480
 is it's

00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:26.119
 not consistent

00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:26.599
 with my

00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:27.239
 atheism.

00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:28.619
 See,

00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:28.819
 if the

00:42:28.819 --> 00:42:29.119
 world is

00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:29.319
 just

00:42:29.319 --> 00:42:29.759
 random,

00:42:29.760 --> 00:42:31.520
 then there

00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:31.820
 can't be

00:42:31.820 --> 00:42:32.220
 a resurrection.

00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:33.660
 If the

00:42:33.660 --> 00:42:33.920
 world is

00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:34.500
 in personal

00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:35.120
 forces,

00:42:36.060 --> 00:42:36.460
 then the

00:42:36.460 --> 00:42:36.760
 laws of

00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:37.140
 physics can

00:42:37.140 --> 00:42:37.500
 never be

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:37.980
 changed.

00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:39.180
 But if

00:42:39.180 --> 00:42:39.560
 there is a

00:42:39.560 --> 00:42:39.940
 God who

00:42:39.940 --> 00:42:40.320
 made the

00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:40.600
 world and

00:42:40.600 --> 00:42:41.040
 everything in

00:42:41.040 --> 00:42:41.300
 it,

00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:42.520
 who gives

00:42:42.520 --> 00:42:42.920
 all men

00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:43.380
 life and

00:42:43.380 --> 00:42:43.680
 death and

00:42:43.680 --> 00:42:44.000
 everything,

00:42:45.040 --> 00:42:45.640
 then he

00:42:45.640 --> 00:42:46.160
 can give

00:42:46.160 --> 00:42:46.900
 assurance to

00:42:46.900 --> 00:42:47.220
 all,

00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:47.840
 if he

00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:48.340
 wants to,

00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:49.580
 by raising

00:42:49.580 --> 00:42:49.960
 him from

00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:50.380
 the dead.

00:42:51.020 --> 00:42:51.520
 So will

00:42:51.520 --> 00:42:52.160
 you be

00:42:52.160 --> 00:42:53.560
 scientifically

00:42:53.560 --> 00:42:54.420
 open-minded

00:42:54.420 --> 00:42:56.420
 when you

00:42:56.420 --> 00:42:56.860
 hold on to

00:42:56.860 --> 00:42:57.500
 your blind

00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:58.740
 faith in

00:42:58.740 --> 00:42:59.059
 atheism?

00:42:59.099 --> 00:42:59.340
 I don't

00:42:59.340 --> 00:42:59.599
 need to

00:42:59.599 --> 00:42:59.860
 look at the

00:42:59.860 --> 00:43:00.059
 evidence,

00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:00.440
 I've made

00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:00.800
 my mind

00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:01.119
 up,

00:43:01.680 --> 00:43:02.119
 says the

00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:02.380
 atheist.

00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:02.740
 Or will

00:43:02.740 --> 00:43:03.000
 you be

00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:03.360
 more

00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:03.880
 scientifically

00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:04.519
 honest and

00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:04.800
 say,

00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:05.920
 here is this

00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:06.139
 man,

00:43:06.180 --> 00:43:06.400
 Jesus.

00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:08.119
 Is it

00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:08.639
 possible,

00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:09.720
 am I

00:43:09.720 --> 00:43:10.280
 open to the

00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:11.139
 possibility that

00:43:11.139 --> 00:43:11.539
 he is the

00:43:11.539 --> 00:43:11.920
 God who

00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:12.420
 made me?

00:43:13.059 --> 00:43:13.539
 Does this

00:43:13.539 --> 00:43:14.200
 make sense

00:43:14.200 --> 00:43:14.619
 of my

00:43:14.619 --> 00:43:15.400
 human life

00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:16.280
 that he's

00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:16.800
 given me?

00:43:17.220 --> 00:43:17.539
 Does it

00:43:17.539 --> 00:43:17.860
 make sense

00:43:17.860 --> 00:43:18.099
 of the

00:43:18.099 --> 00:43:18.639
 universe that

00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:19.139
 I live in?

00:43:20.180 --> 00:43:20.599
 And what

00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:20.920
 if he

00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:21.559
 actually wants

00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:22.000
 to know

00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:22.259
 me,

00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:23.579
 for me to

00:43:23.579 --> 00:43:24.099
 turn back

00:43:24.099 --> 00:43:24.480
 to him,

00:43:25.099 --> 00:43:25.440
 to say,

00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:25.860
 I've got it

00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:26.400
 wrong about

00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:26.739
 you,

00:43:27.460 --> 00:43:28.059
 I want to

00:43:28.059 --> 00:43:28.539
 trust in

00:43:28.539 --> 00:43:28.759
 you.

00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:29.599
 That's the

00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:29.900
 decision I

00:43:29.900 --> 00:43:31.500
 made about

00:43:31.500 --> 00:43:32.739
 18 years

00:43:32.739 --> 00:43:33.019
 ago,

00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:34.099
 and about

00:43:34.099 --> 00:43:34.480
 which I

00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:34.820
 had no

00:43:34.820 --> 00:43:35.860
 poetry of

00:43:35.860 --> 00:43:36.199
 my own

00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:36.699
 to share.

00:43:36.900 --> 00:43:37.279
 Thank you

00:43:37.279 --> 00:43:37.659
 so much for

00:43:37.659 --> 00:43:37.900
 listening.

00:43:38.940 --> 00:43:39.380
 I think we're

00:43:39.380 --> 00:43:39.559
 going to take

00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:39.840
 questions,

00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:40.639
 shall we just

00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.500
 take a two

00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:42.900
 minute break,

00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:43.179
 if anyone

00:43:43.179 --> 00:43:43.659
 needs to

00:43:43.659 --> 00:43:44.119
 dash to the

00:43:44.119 --> 00:43:44.400
 loo,

00:43:45.059 --> 00:43:45.759
 or just

00:43:45.759 --> 00:43:46.239
 compose your

00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:46.519
 thoughts,

00:43:46.659 --> 00:43:47.039
 and then you

00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:47.920
 can go on

00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:48.039
 with it.

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:48.380
 Thanks for

00:43:48.380 --> 00:43:48.840
 being such a

00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:49.219
 good audience.