WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:12.800 Here we go. So Leviticus 6, if anyone sins and commits a breach of faith against the Lord, the priest shall make atonement for him before the Lord and he shall be forgiven. 00:00:13.560 --> 00:00:19.879 So the word atonement, it's a biblical word, so that's why we're using this term. 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:26.359 But second of all, atonement is a helpful word to use because it tells us what the cross is all about. 00:00:26.359 --> 00:00:35.539 At, what's going on on the cross? Because the word atonement means at-one-ment, right? 00:00:35.899 --> 00:00:41.079 So that's how you can remember it. It means at-one-ment. It means making at one. 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:43.320 So you can just break it up if you want to remember that. 00:00:43.939 --> 00:00:51.159 The cross, the atonement, is all about making sinners one with God. 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:59.039 And so the atonement, what we're going to be thinking about this term, this is at the very heart of the gospel. 00:01:00.239 --> 00:01:07.479 This is, you can have this in your mind, this is the absolute essential core of our faith. 00:01:08.060 --> 00:01:12.640 So look what the Apostle Paul says about the atonement, about the cross, 1 Corinthians 2. 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:30.200 So do you see what Paul is saying here? Christ crucified, the atonement, that is the essential thing that Paul preached. 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:38.519 The atonement, all that we're thinking about this series, this is the irreducible heart of the gospel message. 00:01:38.519 --> 00:01:46.359 Now, we also need to realise the gospel includes more than the atonement, but it's never less than the atonement. 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.359 What we're thinking about, this is the heart of the gospel. 00:01:51.479 --> 00:02:02.500 And so this term, my intention is for us to really dive in and think about, deeply, about the cross, about what Christ was doing on there. 00:02:02.500 --> 00:02:09.439 And so my intention for us is just to get a better appreciation and love for the atonement. 00:02:10.180 --> 00:02:13.300 And so I want us to have a deeper understanding of the cross. 00:02:13.400 --> 00:02:17.400 I want us to think about things like, why do we need the atonement? 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:18.620 Why the cross? 00:02:19.699 --> 00:02:22.699 What exactly was Jesus doing on the cross? 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.000 What was he experiencing on that day? 00:02:26.900 --> 00:02:28.840 Who was he dying for? 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:34.879 And if Jesus was forsaken by God, as he says on the cross, how does all that relate to the Trinity? 00:02:35.920 --> 00:02:42.819 So all these things I want us to get into, we're going to be starting a little bit shallower today, and then we're going to slowly get deeper and deeper. 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:48.020 And so some of this, particularly some of the early things, might be familiar to you. 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:55.280 If so, if these things are familiar, I hope we can just get a clearer and deeper understanding of things you're familiar with. 00:02:55.280 --> 00:03:01.379 But hopefully, as we kind of get deeper into the waters, there'll be new things that we'll discover. 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.099 And so just get a better appreciation of the cross. 00:03:05.180 --> 00:03:11.560 But today, I want us to start slightly in the shallow end as we wade into this pool. 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:16.240 I want us to see why we need the atonement. 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.780 Why the cross? 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:22.520 Why the cross and death and blood? 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:24.540 Why all of this is necessary? 00:03:25.060 --> 00:03:26.960 Why do we need the atonement? 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:32.980 But to see that, we need to realise, first of all, there is a problem. 00:03:32.979 --> 00:03:43.179 Because if the atonement means being at one with God, remember, at one-ment, then that presumes a problem. 00:03:43.339 --> 00:03:46.019 It presumes something is broken, doesn't it? 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.459 It presupposes there is not at one-ment in this world. 00:03:51.959 --> 00:03:56.819 The atonement says something about us and humanity and the world. 00:03:56.819 --> 00:04:01.519 It says there is a deep need of being at one. 00:04:02.739 --> 00:04:07.019 And that is because in our sin, there is something broken. 00:04:07.639 --> 00:04:10.180 We have broken everything. 00:04:11.139 --> 00:04:14.259 And this is the first point I want us to see today. 00:04:14.359 --> 00:04:15.240 You can follow along on your handout. 00:04:15.359 --> 00:04:16.519 We have broken everything. 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:24.479 So as we set out to understand the atonement and what it means, what it involves, all that was happening on the cross, 00:04:24.899 --> 00:04:29.479 a helpful starting point is to see the need for the atonement. 00:04:30.459 --> 00:04:32.240 And to do that, we need to go back to the beginning. 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:39.000 We need to see how God intended this world and humanity to be. 00:04:40.039 --> 00:04:41.879 So let's think about creation. 00:04:42.539 --> 00:04:44.199 So what happened in the beginning? 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:49.279 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 00:04:49.979 --> 00:04:55.439 In the beginning, God created the world. 00:04:57.719 --> 00:04:58.800 That's all creation. 00:04:59.000 --> 00:04:59.699 I'll call it the world. 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.319 So God created the heavens and the earth, everything. 00:05:04.219 --> 00:05:08.959 And he made humanity a part of that creation. 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:18.719 He made humanity a part of that creation. 00:05:19.120 --> 00:05:21.639 But not merely just a part of it. 00:05:22.459 --> 00:05:26.939 So when God created humanity, we aren't just like he created rocks. 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.099 And just like rocks, he created humans. 00:05:29.879 --> 00:05:33.139 Or just like he created ants or tigers. 00:05:33.479 --> 00:05:34.560 He also created humans. 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:39.139 No, God has made us above all that. 00:05:39.860 --> 00:05:44.360 God has made us with a special responsibility toward him. 00:05:45.459 --> 00:05:46.920 And what is that responsibility? 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:55.460 So God created us, but he created us special and with a responsibility toward him. 00:05:57.020 --> 00:05:58.080 And what is that responsibility? 00:05:58.340 --> 00:05:58.980 Genesis 1. 00:05:59.980 --> 00:06:03.040 Let us make man in our image after our likeness. 00:06:03.500 --> 00:06:09.460 And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth. 00:06:09.680 --> 00:06:12.040 And over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth. 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.420 So do you see, we are not just mere animals. 00:06:17.460 --> 00:06:23.000 We've been given the responsibility and privilege to image God. 00:06:23.860 --> 00:06:25.620 That is a part of who we are. 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.439 We are to reflect what he is like. 00:06:28.520 --> 00:06:29.420 That's what an image is. 00:06:29.840 --> 00:06:31.879 An image reflects what he is like. 00:06:31.939 --> 00:06:38.480 We are to reflect God's righteousness and holiness and his rule here on earth. 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.360 And so we are moral creatures. 00:06:43.500 --> 00:06:46.140 We are accountable to God. 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.439 And so we are not here neutrally here on earth. 00:06:50.900 --> 00:06:56.520 We are not here kind of left up to our own devices, our own direction, our own standards. 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:58.620 No, we're accountable to God. 00:06:58.700 --> 00:07:01.759 And so we are creatures who must obey God. 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.819 And so God has given us a law to obey. 00:07:06.180 --> 00:07:07.860 If we are to obey God, what do we obey? 00:07:08.019 --> 00:07:09.199 We obey a law. 00:07:10.060 --> 00:07:18.279 We are to listen to all that he says and love God and depend on him and glorify him all by obeying him. 00:07:19.620 --> 00:07:23.740 And for Adam or for us, the half that looks like the Ten Commandments. 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.539 That is the sum of God's law. 00:07:27.259 --> 00:07:29.300 And that would have been the case for Adam as well. 00:07:29.300 --> 00:07:36.720 But Adam kind of had a central command that kind of took all those Ten Commandments and focused it on one commandment. 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:40.199 It took the form of a specific command, Genesis 2. 00:07:41.460 --> 00:07:44.139 And the Lord God commanded the man saying, 00:07:44.800 --> 00:07:51.840 You may surely eat of every tree of the garden, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat. 00:07:52.580 --> 00:07:56.300 For in that day that you eat of it, you shall surely die. 00:07:56.300 --> 00:08:01.560 So Adam had a law that he was to obey. 00:08:03.520 --> 00:08:07.040 And this is a part of the design of humanity. 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.120 We are made to obey God. 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:22.579 And it's in this state of obedience. 00:08:23.819 --> 00:08:26.180 It's in this state that God is pleased with us. 00:08:26.939 --> 00:08:29.920 He's happy with his creation when he sees this. 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:35.299 That's why when he makes humanity on the sixth day, what does he say at the end of that day? 00:08:35.299 --> 00:08:37.479 It is very good. 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:43.479 He sees this unstained, obedient humanity and he says, this is very good. 00:08:44.359 --> 00:08:45.819 He's pleased with it. 00:08:46.719 --> 00:08:53.519 And so we are made to be in a good, peaceful, right relationship with God. 00:08:54.099 --> 00:08:56.779 We're not meant to be neutral in God's eyes. 00:08:56.899 --> 00:08:59.459 God is not meant to be indifferent to us. 00:08:59.460 --> 00:09:03.500 No, we're made to be right with God. 00:09:03.500 --> 00:09:19.639 And not only that, we are made to be with God. 00:09:20.539 --> 00:09:23.659 Because what did God do with humanity in the garden? 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:24.440 Genesis 3. 00:09:24.440 --> 00:09:35.860 God walked in the garden with Adam and Eve. 00:09:36.760 --> 00:09:39.700 This is a part of how humanity is designed. 00:09:39.800 --> 00:09:44.140 We are designed to be with God, actually with God. 00:09:44.920 --> 00:09:52.200 For him to live with us and for us to know him and love him and have communion with him. 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:57.379 And enjoy this peaceful, right relationship with him. 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:07.180 So not only do we have responsibility toward God, but God has designed as well for him to be with us. 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:11.020 We are made to be with God. 00:10:13.960 --> 00:10:17.840 To have this close communion with him. 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:24.740 And so what is this dynamic between God and man meant to be like? 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.019 Well, there's meant to be peace with God. 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:35.879 Peace between us and a peace-filled world. 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.879 There's meant to be joy in this dynamic. 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:43.100 God is meant to be our delight. 00:10:43.100 --> 00:10:47.279 And God is meant to be pleased with this world. 00:10:48.100 --> 00:10:49.539 And there's meant to be life. 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:52.159 So God is the source of life. 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:57.879 And we're meant to be with him and enjoy that life and be nourished by him. 00:10:59.340 --> 00:11:03.000 And this whole world is meant to be filled with life. 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:07.220 And there's meant to be communion with God. 00:11:14.059 --> 00:11:21.440 This means knowing God and loving him and having him in our lives as our God. 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:27.960 All this is to say is that we are meant to be at one with God. 00:11:30.260 --> 00:11:32.080 We are meant to be at one. 00:11:34.740 --> 00:11:37.820 So man is meant to be at one with God. 00:11:38.020 --> 00:11:40.280 God is meant to be at one with man. 00:11:40.380 --> 00:11:44.160 And there's meant to be one whole at one world. 00:11:44.159 --> 00:11:49.339 But this isn't the way the world stayed. 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:58.959 In sin, what should be one became broken in every possible way. 00:12:00.639 --> 00:12:03.600 And what did God say was the consequence of disobedience? 00:12:04.419 --> 00:12:05.039 Genesis 2. 00:12:06.379 --> 00:12:11.199 For in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die. 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:17.640 But because we have sinned and we've broken God's law. 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:20.280 And sin is lawlessness. 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:22.020 Sin is breaking God's law. 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:27.500 Because of all that, our status has now changed before God. 00:12:28.580 --> 00:12:30.660 So we're made to be right with God. 00:12:30.800 --> 00:12:34.200 We're meant to have peace with him and have this at one relationship. 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:38.379 But now we are guilty before God. 00:12:38.379 --> 00:12:45.820 And therefore, because we're guilty, we now owe something to God. 00:12:46.439 --> 00:12:50.539 There's a payment needing to be made to God. 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.480 And that payment, what is it? 00:12:54.100 --> 00:12:55.580 It's our lives. 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.939 You shall surely die. 00:12:58.940 --> 00:13:07.540 You could say, because we didn't obey God, and we don't in our sin. 00:13:08.260 --> 00:13:12.320 Because we didn't obey God, we are now guilty before God. 00:13:12.980 --> 00:13:17.420 And so there is now a debt placed above our heads. 00:13:17.419 --> 00:13:33.959 There's now a debt placed above our heads. 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:44.519 Humanity is now in a guilty sin debt to God. 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:51.559 God, in his justice and righteousness, demands something from us in our guilt. 00:13:52.340 --> 00:13:54.259 And we owe him something. 00:13:55.019 --> 00:13:55.559 What is it? 00:13:56.199 --> 00:13:57.240 Our lives. 00:13:58.600 --> 00:14:00.639 And that's how being guilty works. 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:04.399 So think about just breaking the law in our country, right? 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:09.980 When we break the law in this country, we become guilty, don't we? 00:14:10.579 --> 00:14:14.159 And justice demands something from us. 00:14:14.299 --> 00:14:16.799 We have to pay something in some way. 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:21.720 So if you use your phone while driving, you become guilty of that. 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:23.720 And then you owe something. 00:14:23.819 --> 00:14:28.079 You have to pay £200, and you get six points on your license. 00:14:28.419 --> 00:14:28.539 Okay? 00:14:28.539 --> 00:14:32.279 When you're guilty, you become in debt £200. 00:14:33.439 --> 00:14:39.939 Or if you commit murder, the price you pay for that, it's 30 years in prison or more. 00:14:40.899 --> 00:14:47.360 So when you become guilty of murder, you become in debt, 30 years of your life in debt. 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:49.339 That's what you have to pay. 00:14:49.340 --> 00:14:56.660 Well, if you break God's law, if you sin, you must pay with your life. 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:03.080 Humanity has become in debt with our lives, our souls, our blood. 00:15:04.379 --> 00:15:06.259 And this is how scripture speaks. 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:07.800 So have a look at Ezekiel 18. 00:15:08.820 --> 00:15:12.080 The soul who sins shall die. 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:22.500 There's a justice kind of embedded into this world where the soul who sins must die. 00:15:22.980 --> 00:15:24.400 That is the payment. 00:15:25.780 --> 00:15:28.000 And look how Jesus teaches us to pray in Matthew 6. 00:15:28.980 --> 00:15:33.560 Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 00:15:34.700 --> 00:15:37.060 Jesus speaks of sin as a debt. 00:15:37.320 --> 00:15:39.080 When we sin, we owe something. 00:15:39.700 --> 00:15:41.680 And Colossians 2 speaks of that as well. 00:15:41.679 --> 00:15:47.120 It speaks of the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. 00:15:48.859 --> 00:15:51.439 There is a debt over sinful humanity. 00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:57.399 But it's not just our physical lives, a few years here on earth that we have to give up. 00:15:57.539 --> 00:15:57.779 No. 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:01.639 This death means eternal death. 00:16:02.979 --> 00:16:06.000 And this is what the whole teaching of hell is all about. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:13.440 The price you pay for sinning against an infinitely holy and righteous God. 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.320 That price, it's an infinite death. 00:16:18.500 --> 00:16:19.620 Infinite suffering. 00:16:19.779 --> 00:16:21.480 That is what must be owed. 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:28.840 And so this debt that hangs over a sinful humanity, this is huge. 00:16:28.840 --> 00:16:34.040 This debt hanging over us is the debt of hell. 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:39.659 And humanity is trapped under this debt. 00:16:40.620 --> 00:16:42.439 It follows us everywhere. 00:16:42.620 --> 00:16:43.759 We can't escape it. 00:16:43.839 --> 00:16:48.759 So it's like if you commit a crime, you're trapped under that debt, aren't you? 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:56.259 If you commit murder, even if you run away, that debt still hangs over you. 00:16:56.720 --> 00:17:02.399 And so justice and the police and the courts, they won't let that go. 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:05.220 That debt is constantly over you. 00:17:06.460 --> 00:17:08.440 And so that is the same with us. 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:14.840 We are now trapped in sin and guilt and debt. 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:16.840 And we can't escape. 00:17:18.519 --> 00:17:27.000 And so not only that, our status has changed before God. 00:17:28.140 --> 00:17:31.279 This isn't the way God designed it to be. 00:17:31.779 --> 00:17:34.140 Our status wasn't intended to be like this. 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.360 But now our status has changed. 00:17:36.359 --> 00:17:38.879 We are now in debt before God. 00:17:40.619 --> 00:17:47.099 And so also God's view toward us has changed. 00:17:48.059 --> 00:17:49.139 And I want you to see how. 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:51.559 I want you to break into groups. 00:17:51.740 --> 00:17:54.059 Look at the little breakout section in that box. 00:17:54.500 --> 00:17:56.859 And just look at these verses and answer the following questions. 00:17:57.419 --> 00:17:58.539 It should be fairly simple. 00:17:58.699 --> 00:18:00.339 And you'll probably get it after two verses. 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:02.139 But just look at them all. 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:04.699 Get an appreciation of what scripture has to say. 00:18:05.899 --> 00:18:06.259 Go. 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:08.039 I'll give you a couple of minutes for that. 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:08.479 Thank you. 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 --> 00:18:08.479 00:18:08.479 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00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:17.359 Thank you. 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.439 Okay, let's bring it together. 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:28.639 I'm going to pick on some people. 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:33.360 Ben, you look like you're having a good discussion. 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:35.960 How does God feel about guilty humanity and sin? 00:20:36.080 --> 00:20:37.120 What were some of the conclusions? 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.339 He says he is indignant and angry. 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:42.039 Indignant. 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:46.779 What does it mean, Paul? 00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:47.779 Yeah. 00:20:47.779 --> 00:20:50.899 When you're angry with the people, you're justified in anger. 00:20:51.059 --> 00:20:51.379 Okay. 00:20:51.379 --> 00:20:56.819 God is justified in his anger because we've sinned against him, so he's righteously angry. 00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:58.819 Yeah, exactly. 00:20:59.460 --> 00:21:04.659 God is now angry with us, with a guilty humanity. 00:21:05.619 --> 00:21:08.000 And do you notice, have a look at John 3, verse 6. 00:21:08.539 --> 00:21:13.259 Who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him. 00:21:13.259 --> 00:21:18.379 So the word remains, it implies that this is now the default. 00:21:18.379 --> 00:21:18.980 Okay. 00:21:19.379 --> 00:21:23.339 By nature, we are children of God's wrath. 00:21:23.859 --> 00:21:25.579 Wrath means anger, right? 00:21:25.579 --> 00:21:31.159 His wrath is now set against humanity and sin. 00:21:31.879 --> 00:21:34.439 So we were made to be right with God. 00:21:35.039 --> 00:21:37.399 Peace, friendship, unity. 00:21:37.619 --> 00:21:41.139 But now, we are not right with God. 00:21:42.099 --> 00:21:47.460 And so, I'll keep that for now. 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:49.759 We're not right with God. 00:21:49.879 --> 00:21:53.539 And so, God is angry with this world. 00:21:53.539 --> 00:21:59.480 We don't have the peace and life and joy and communion with God. 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:09.259 But there is now, on God's part, toward us, wrath. 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:18.700 God is angry with this world. 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:25.039 He has a disposition of wrath, anger toward guilty sinners. 00:22:26.120 --> 00:22:28.460 And so, do you see in Numbers 14? 00:22:29.580 --> 00:22:32.420 This is describing who God is, his nature. 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:37.840 And it says, he does not let the guilty just go scot-free. 00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:40.039 He can't. 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:43.600 He's too just, too righteous. 00:22:43.599 --> 00:22:50.679 And so, this anger, this wrath, this is a righteous anger toward the guilty. 00:22:51.639 --> 00:22:58.819 This isn't God just losing control and just flying off the handle and being angry. 00:22:59.459 --> 00:22:59.619 No. 00:22:59.740 --> 00:23:07.539 This is a righteous anger from a judge who has perfect justice in him. 00:23:07.539 --> 00:23:17.259 And this is a righteous anger against sinners who have broken a holy law against an infinitely holy God. 00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:22.440 And we've spat in God's face. 00:23:23.339 --> 00:23:26.019 And so, he is, he's wrathful. 00:23:26.019 --> 00:23:34.059 And so, just at this point, I want us to just to never forget how severe our sin is. 00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:40.879 And so, what has happened to the relationship between God and man? 00:23:41.779 --> 00:23:44.079 I hope you can tell just by these verses. 00:23:44.660 --> 00:23:47.059 We have been separated from God. 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:51.000 We can't be in his presence. 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:53.380 What happened in the Garden of Eden? 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:56.059 We were cast out of the Garden. 00:23:57.039 --> 00:24:01.500 And it was blocked off with an angel with a flaming sword. 00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:02.500 Shut off. 00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.079 If you wanted to try and get back in, you can only die, right? 00:24:07.180 --> 00:24:08.099 A sword is there. 00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:12.460 We can't have communion with him or know him or enjoy him. 00:24:12.779 --> 00:24:16.200 In sin, we are now enemies with God. 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:20.840 And so, there is a debt on us. 00:24:21.660 --> 00:24:24.140 There is anger on God's part wrath. 00:24:24.580 --> 00:24:31.380 And so, the relationship between us is broken. 00:24:35.120 --> 00:24:36.480 It's fractured. 00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:41.319 We are no longer at one with God. 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:49.240 And this broken relationship, it means we have broken everything. 00:24:50.379 --> 00:24:55.119 So, we now live in a cursed world that is also broken. 00:24:55.519 --> 00:24:57.460 This world isn't at one. 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:00.599 So, there is now broken nature. 00:25:01.779 --> 00:25:03.319 Floods and hurricanes and disease. 00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:11.259 Broken bodies that feel pain and wear away and break and suffer and die. 00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:13.539 And broken relationships. 00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:17.939 We've now become separated from each other in this world. 00:25:18.179 --> 00:25:19.960 We were meant to be a united humanity. 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:21.500 But now we've become separated. 00:25:21.619 --> 00:25:22.779 We're against each other. 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:25.559 That there are now feuds and falling out. 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:28.200 And violence and wars. 00:25:28.399 --> 00:25:30.339 This is what's going on in Venezuela. 00:25:31.099 --> 00:25:31.319 Right? 00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:33.480 It's all from this. 00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:40.379 And so, from our sin, we have broken everything. 00:25:41.300 --> 00:25:42.060 From this. 00:25:42.120 --> 00:25:43.540 This is the source of it. 00:25:43.660 --> 00:25:47.940 From this comes the breaking of the whole world. 00:25:47.940 --> 00:26:05.720 And so, what is meant to be a united creation, at one with God, it has become... 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:07.880 Well, let's just neaten up a bit. 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:09.799 It's become this. 00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:14.159 It's just a bit of a neater version of this. 00:26:14.399 --> 00:26:14.539 Okay? 00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:17.180 It has become this. 00:26:18.059 --> 00:26:19.180 Wrath on God's part. 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:19.759 Debt. 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.500 A huge sin debt on ours. 00:26:22.940 --> 00:26:24.500 And a broken relationship. 00:26:25.220 --> 00:26:25.359 Right? 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:28.679 It's not this nice, united God and man. 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:28.899 No. 00:26:29.179 --> 00:26:31.379 It is a one-way direction of wrath. 00:26:32.899 --> 00:26:37.859 And this, this is the problem of the world right now. 00:26:37.859 --> 00:26:43.519 This is the heart of why everything is the way that it is. 00:26:44.699 --> 00:26:50.959 Humanity is in a guilty sin debt before a holy, angry God. 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.160 And the world has become separated from him. 00:26:55.180 --> 00:27:01.660 This is the problem of our friends and colleagues and neighbours and the whole world. 00:27:01.660 --> 00:27:07.320 And yes, there are lots of other problems that we face in this world. 00:27:07.620 --> 00:27:08.340 We're miserable. 00:27:09.080 --> 00:27:10.240 We lack meaning. 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:11.980 Our hearts are all messed up. 00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:14.340 There are wars and suffering. 00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:19.540 But actually, all these other problems stem from this. 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.580 This is the heart of it. 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.480 We are no longer right with God. 00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:33.059 And when you separate yourself from the God of life, of course, all these other problems are going to flow from it. 00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:39.660 But the heart of the issue is how we stand before God. 00:27:40.339 --> 00:27:42.480 We are not at one with him. 00:27:43.839 --> 00:27:49.860 And every other culture and religion out there knows that this world is broken. 00:27:50.740 --> 00:27:52.960 Everyone knows something isn't right. 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:55.460 Everyone's trying to find a solution to this. 00:27:56.059 --> 00:27:58.160 But none of these solutions are working. 00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:02.259 Because they don't realise that this is the problem. 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.740 This is the source of it. 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:11.380 It's all actually about being not at one with God. 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.759 And so what is the greatest need of the world right now? 00:28:16.120 --> 00:28:21.559 We need this brokenness between God and man to be resolved. 00:28:22.339 --> 00:28:25.440 We need to be at one. 00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:29.500 That is to say we need atonement. 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:32.559 And this is the second point to see today. 00:28:32.700 --> 00:28:35.319 We need atonement at one-ment. 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:38.480 So let's see what we have so far. 00:28:39.179 --> 00:28:42.759 You can think there are three aspects to this problem. 00:28:43.700 --> 00:28:47.079 The first, first of all, you can see one problem. 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:49.659 There is debt. 00:28:49.659 --> 00:28:53.460 Our debts need to be paid. 00:28:54.339 --> 00:28:57.059 The price of death needs to be given to God. 00:28:57.460 --> 00:29:01.740 Or in other words, we need redemption. 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:02.319 00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:15.939 now the word redemption might be familiar to us as christians we hear it but let's think about 00:29:15.939 --> 00:29:25.019 what redemption really means redemption means to ransom okay a redemption is a ransom so think 00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:30.319 about the films think about die hard doesn't have a ransom in it think of an action film with a 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:37.339 ransom right so someone is kidnapped uh rush hour there we go rush hour um someone is kidnapped 00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:43.839 and the kidnappers might put a ransom price on their heads you know pay us one million pounds 00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:51.359 and then the hostage can go free and if you pay that million pounds so that million pounds that's 00:29:51.359 --> 00:30:00.299 the ransom cost and if you pay that money that hostage is ransomed they are redeemed 00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:10.099 that is a redemption okay well in a similar way we need the price on our heads 00:30:10.099 --> 00:30:19.319 the price of death the curse of law breaking we need that to be paid for us remember we are trapped 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:26.779 hostages to our sin and guilt and debt and so we need redemption 00:30:26.779 --> 00:30:32.460 redemption and this is what jesus says the atonement is all about so so look at mark 10 00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:42.000 for even the son of man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:49.039 and you can read the word ransom here is redemption okay in it's sometimes translated redemption okay 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:58.980 we need redemption but also that there's another aspect to this central problem um god's wrath 00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:01.180 needs to be satisfied 00:31:01.180 --> 00:31:15.339 god's wrath it needs to be appeased pacified stopped or in other words we need propitiation 00:31:15.339 --> 00:31:26.179 okay i think i'm sorry right propitiation now this is a funny word we don't often hear it a lot but 00:31:26.179 --> 00:31:36.220 but propitiation it basically means god's wrath is satisfied pacified ended okay this is how john 00:31:36.220 --> 00:31:43.339 speaks of the atonement in one john four in this is love not that we have loved god but that he loved 00:31:43.339 --> 00:31:48.179 us and sent his son to be the propitiation for our sins 00:31:48.179 --> 00:31:59.519 he sent his son to be the one that appeases god's wrath if we're to escape death escape punishment 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:06.980 we need this wrath to go that this cannot remain there and so we need propitiation 00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:10.519 and thirdly that there's a third aspect 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:13.559 to this problem 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:21.620 our relationship needs to be restored we need to be brought back to god 00:32:21.620 --> 00:32:24.240 in other words we need 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:26.259 reconciliation 00:32:26.259 --> 00:32:26.500 reconciliation 00:32:26.500 --> 00:32:37.359 and that's how the apostle paul speaks of christ's work so look at 2 corinthians 5 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:44.519 in christ god was reconciling the world to himself 00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:51.960 and this is relational language isn't it reconciling so if two friends have fallen out 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:58.519 that they're not speaking but then someone brings them together and they have a meeting and they work 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:03.740 things out and they become friends again what do we say about the relationship those two people we say 00:33:03.740 --> 00:33:05.960 that they have been reconciled 00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:10.460 reconciliation is when two parties are brought back together 00:33:10.460 --> 00:33:14.960 well god and man needs to be reconciled 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:18.539 and these three things here 00:33:18.539 --> 00:33:20.440 these these are the three 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.579 uh aspects of the problem 00:33:22.579 --> 00:33:24.980 and so these three elements of what we need 00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:28.019 this is what we mean by atonement 00:33:28.019 --> 00:33:29.700 okay 00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:31.180 this 00:33:31.180 --> 00:33:36.700 this 00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:36.700 00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:38.620 all these things together 00:33:38.620 --> 00:33:40.299 this is atonement 00:33:40.299 --> 00:33:43.380 these are the three aspects of the atonement you could say 00:33:43.380 --> 00:33:50.560 uh this is these three things are what is involved in atonement 00:33:50.560 --> 00:33:53.820 and this is the great need of the world 00:33:53.820 --> 00:33:56.720 we need redemption from our sin 00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:00.080 we need god's wrath to be propitiated 00:34:00.080 --> 00:34:03.020 and we need to be reconciled with god 00:34:03.020 --> 00:34:05.320 this is atonement okay 00:34:05.320 --> 00:34:08.960 and you can probably already tell 00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:11.079 these things are related 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:11.900 right 00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:15.400 these aren't just three kind of like floating 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.039 aspects of a problem 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:19.799 no they're all kind of interconnected and related 00:34:19.799 --> 00:34:21.400 so our wrath 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.980 god's wrath against us 00:34:23.980 --> 00:34:26.779 it means we're not reconciled 00:34:26.779 --> 00:34:27.440 doesn't it right 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:28.279 so wrath 00:34:28.279 --> 00:34:30.340 it creates that 00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:31.179 it is a 00:34:31.179 --> 00:34:33.319 it is an aspect of that division right 00:34:33.319 --> 00:34:36.380 we're divided because there's wrath 00:34:36.380 --> 00:34:38.559 and we have a debt 00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.240 which uh 00:34:40.240 --> 00:34:41.140 which means 00:34:41.140 --> 00:34:42.260 we're not right with god 00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:43.039 so there's division 00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:44.500 and that debt 00:34:44.500 --> 00:34:45.180 is 00:34:45.180 --> 00:34:46.500 god's wrath 00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:47.099 god's 00:34:47.099 --> 00:34:48.220 the the debt 00:34:48.220 --> 00:34:49.720 that we must receive 00:34:49.720 --> 00:34:50.760 also the punishment 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:51.579 that we must receive 00:34:51.579 --> 00:34:53.019 is god's wrath 00:34:53.019 --> 00:34:53.280 right 00:34:53.280 --> 00:34:53.860 death 00:34:53.860 --> 00:34:54.220 it 00:34:54.220 --> 00:34:55.920 it's the wrath of god 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:56.519 okay 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:59.720 so all these things are kind of interconnected and related 00:34:59.720 --> 00:35:00.880 but but they're 00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:02.860 they they emphasize 00:35:02.860 --> 00:35:05.780 different aspects 00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:07.960 of what is needed in the atonement 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.220 all of this is involved 00:35:10.220 --> 00:35:12.820 but they're just different aspects 00:35:12.820 --> 00:35:15.460 and so 00:35:15.460 --> 00:35:17.260 the atonement 00:35:17.260 --> 00:35:18.480 this 00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.880 this is the heart of what we need 00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.380 this is the heart of what the world needs 00:35:24.380 --> 00:35:25.300 and so 00:35:25.300 --> 00:35:26.119 no wonder 00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:29.359 when it comes to christ's work of salvation 00:35:29.359 --> 00:35:30.420 the atonement 00:35:30.420 --> 00:35:32.179 the cross 00:35:32.179 --> 00:35:34.199 it's no wonder that 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:37.440 the cross lies at the heart of that work 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:40.679 paul made known 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.699 christ and him crucified 00:35:42.699 --> 00:35:46.159 this is the heart of the gospel 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:47.739 because this is the 00:35:47.739 --> 00:35:49.719 the heart of what we need 00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:51.480 we need 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:52.259 atonement 00:35:52.259 --> 00:35:54.460 and so 00:35:54.460 --> 00:35:56.500 what we have here 00:35:56.500 --> 00:35:58.360 we have now set up 00:35:58.360 --> 00:35:59.480 the need 00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:00.659 and the categories 00:36:00.659 --> 00:36:01.699 of what is involved 00:36:01.699 --> 00:36:03.119 in in in the atonement 00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:04.860 and next week 00:36:04.860 --> 00:36:05.780 i want us to see 00:36:05.780 --> 00:36:06.980 how christ's death 00:36:06.980 --> 00:36:08.720 actually achieves all this 00:36:08.720 --> 00:36:08.980 okay 00:36:08.980 --> 00:36:09.980 so if this is the need 00:36:09.980 --> 00:36:10.820 these are the categories 00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:12.619 how does christ's death 00:36:12.619 --> 00:36:13.940 actually achieve this 00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:16.619 how does the cross 00:36:16.619 --> 00:36:17.960 actually bring 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:19.440 about atonement for us 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:20.900 so we're going to look at that 00:36:20.900 --> 00:36:21.619 next week 00:36:21.619 --> 00:36:22.519 but for now 00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:23.179 this is 00:36:23.179 --> 00:36:24.220 this is the background 00:36:24.219 --> 00:36:25.339 um 00:36:25.339 --> 00:36:26.179 that gives meaning 00:36:26.179 --> 00:36:26.679 to the cross 00:36:26.679 --> 00:36:27.000 and so 00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:27.959 i'm going to leave 00:36:27.959 --> 00:36:28.919 in a bit of a cliffhanger 00:36:28.919 --> 00:36:29.419 today 00:36:29.419 --> 00:36:30.879 because we're going to get 00:36:30.879 --> 00:36:31.379 on to the cross 00:36:31.379 --> 00:36:31.959 next week 00:36:31.959 --> 00:36:34.199 but to finish 00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.139 i want us to ask 00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:38.000 okay 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:40.179 this is what is needed 00:36:40.179 --> 00:36:42.699 but is this 00:36:42.699 --> 00:36:43.939 necessary 00:36:43.939 --> 00:36:45.819 okay 00:36:45.819 --> 00:36:46.739 it's needed 00:36:46.739 --> 00:36:47.419 but is it 00:36:47.419 --> 00:36:48.399 necessary 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.260 can't god 00:36:50.260 --> 00:36:50.280 can't god 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:51.059 solve 00:36:51.059 --> 00:36:51.880 the problem 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:52.820 of sin 00:36:52.820 --> 00:36:55.099 some other way 00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:55.559 right 00:36:55.559 --> 00:36:57.360 so uh 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:57.980 look at this quote 00:36:57.980 --> 00:36:58.900 from richard dawkins 00:36:58.900 --> 00:37:00.099 he wants 00:37:00.099 --> 00:37:00.740 to ask something 00:37:00.740 --> 00:37:01.200 uh 00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:01.860 uh 00:37:01.860 --> 00:37:02.579 pretty much like this 00:37:02.579 --> 00:37:03.000 he said 00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.380 if god 00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:05.500 wanted to forgive 00:37:05.500 --> 00:37:06.300 our sins 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:07.700 why didn't he just 00:37:07.700 --> 00:37:08.300 forgive them 00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:10.260 why did he have to 00:37:10.260 --> 00:37:11.200 have his son 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:11.820 tortured 00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:13.519 or 00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:14.079 we can phrase 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:14.759 that question 00:37:14.759 --> 00:37:15.679 um 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:16.500 in terms of these 00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:16.920 categories 00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:17.840 that we have here 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:18.099 right 00:37:18.099 --> 00:37:19.840 why do we need 00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:20.400 redemption 00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.800 why can't god 00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:23.880 just ignore 00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:24.440 the debt 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.420 why do we need 00:37:26.420 --> 00:37:27.239 propitiation 00:37:27.239 --> 00:37:28.699 can't god 00:37:28.699 --> 00:37:29.500 just stop 00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:30.219 being angry 00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:30.699 at sinners 00:37:30.699 --> 00:37:32.419 was there 00:37:32.419 --> 00:37:33.319 some other 00:37:33.319 --> 00:37:33.819 way 00:37:33.819 --> 00:37:34.379 god 00:37:34.379 --> 00:37:35.000 could deal 00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:35.359 with the 00:37:35.359 --> 00:37:35.619 problem 00:37:35.619 --> 00:37:36.039 of sin 00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:36.959 what was the 00:37:36.959 --> 00:37:37.439 atonement 00:37:37.439 --> 00:37:38.699 was it just 00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:39.519 a good 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:40.259 solution 00:37:40.259 --> 00:37:40.899 to the 00:37:40.899 --> 00:37:41.099 problem 00:37:41.099 --> 00:37:41.339 of the 00:37:41.339 --> 00:37:41.679 world 00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:42.939 or is the 00:37:42.939 --> 00:37:43.319 atonement 00:37:43.319 --> 00:37:44.419 a necessary 00:37:44.419 --> 00:37:45.599 solution 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:46.739 to the 00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:46.919 problem 00:37:46.919 --> 00:37:47.159 of the 00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:47.419 world 00:37:47.419 --> 00:37:48.879 well i 00:37:48.879 --> 00:37:49.199 want us 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:49.639 to see 00:37:49.639 --> 00:37:50.519 that the 00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:51.099 atonement 00:37:51.099 --> 00:37:52.859 is absolutely 00:37:52.859 --> 00:37:53.899 necessary 00:37:53.899 --> 00:37:55.619 and the 00:37:55.619 --> 00:37:56.259 reason is 00:37:56.260 --> 00:37:56.860 because of 00:37:56.860 --> 00:37:57.520 who god 00:37:57.520 --> 00:37:57.920 is 00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.340 so look 00:37:59.340 --> 00:37:59.660 again at 00:37:59.660 --> 00:38:00.340 numbers 14 00:38:00.340 --> 00:38:02.400 the lord 00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:02.960 is slow 00:38:02.960 --> 00:38:03.400 to anger 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:03.900 and abounding 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:04.540 in steadfast 00:38:04.540 --> 00:38:04.880 love 00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:05.640 forgiving 00:38:05.640 --> 00:38:06.260 iniquity 00:38:06.260 --> 00:38:07.000 and transgression 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.500 but he 00:38:08.500 --> 00:38:09.620 will by no 00:38:09.620 --> 00:38:10.660 means clear 00:38:10.660 --> 00:38:11.160 the guilty 00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:12.760 visiting the 00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:13.320 iniquity of 00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:13.820 the fathers 00:38:13.820 --> 00:38:14.120 on the 00:38:14.120 --> 00:38:14.680 children to 00:38:14.680 --> 00:38:15.120 the third 00:38:15.120 --> 00:38:15.360 and the 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:15.540 fourth 00:38:15.540 --> 00:38:16.100 generation 00:38:16.100 --> 00:38:17.160 god 00:38:17.160 --> 00:38:18.300 cannot 00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:18.980 just 00:38:18.980 --> 00:38:19.620 ignore 00:38:19.620 --> 00:38:19.860 the 00:38:19.860 --> 00:38:20.180 guilty 00:38:20.180 --> 00:38:21.900 he can't 00:38:21.900 --> 00:38:22.380 let the 00:38:22.380 --> 00:38:22.660 guilty 00:38:22.660 --> 00:38:23.140 go scot 00:38:23.140 --> 00:38:23.400 free 00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:25.080 and why 00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:26.659 well it's 00:38:26.659 --> 00:38:26.960 to do 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:27.299 with who 00:38:27.299 --> 00:38:27.559 he is 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:28.099 his character 00:38:28.099 --> 00:38:28.659 deuteronomy 00:38:28.659 --> 00:38:29.159 32 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.460 god is 00:38:30.460 --> 00:38:31.159 the rock 00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:32.539 his work 00:38:32.539 --> 00:38:33.400 is perfect 00:38:33.400 --> 00:38:34.719 for all 00:38:34.719 --> 00:38:35.259 his ways 00:38:35.259 --> 00:38:36.299 are justice 00:38:36.299 --> 00:38:37.799 a god 00:38:37.799 --> 00:38:38.699 of faithfulness 00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:39.380 and without 00:38:39.380 --> 00:38:40.019 iniquity 00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:40.679 just 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:41.759 and upright 00:38:41.759 --> 00:38:42.179 is he 00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:44.179 so do you 00:38:44.179 --> 00:38:44.579 see what god 00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:45.000 is like 00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:46.799 he's just 00:38:46.799 --> 00:38:48.360 god is the 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:48.940 god of 00:38:48.940 --> 00:38:50.239 perfect 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:50.840 justice 00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:52.660 and so 00:38:52.660 --> 00:38:53.539 in short 00:38:53.539 --> 00:38:54.920 god is 00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:56.079 too holy 00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:57.480 and too 00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:58.140 righteous 00:38:58.140 --> 00:38:59.059 and too 00:38:59.059 --> 00:38:59.940 just 00:38:59.940 --> 00:39:02.039 to simply 00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:03.400 ignore sin 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:04.140 and sweep 00:39:04.140 --> 00:39:04.440 it under 00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:04.820 the rug 00:39:04.820 --> 00:39:07.000 and we 00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:07.300 would think 00:39:07.300 --> 00:39:07.600 that way 00:39:07.600 --> 00:39:07.980 too as 00:39:07.980 --> 00:39:08.180 well 00:39:08.180 --> 00:39:09.039 so if 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:09.320 there is 00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:09.760 an evil 00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:10.140 in this 00:39:10.140 --> 00:39:10.660 world 00:39:10.660 --> 00:39:12.440 a theft 00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:13.180 a burglary 00:39:13.180 --> 00:39:14.420 and a judge 00:39:14.420 --> 00:39:15.320 knew about 00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:15.780 it 00:39:15.780 --> 00:39:17.440 but the 00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:17.900 judge just 00:39:17.900 --> 00:39:18.340 let it 00:39:18.340 --> 00:39:18.760 go 00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:20.140 we would 00:39:20.140 --> 00:39:20.320 say 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:20.860 that is 00:39:20.860 --> 00:39:21.560 unjust 00:39:21.560 --> 00:39:23.040 that's 00:39:23.040 --> 00:39:23.500 wrong 00:39:23.500 --> 00:39:24.440 that isn't 00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:24.640 right 00:39:24.640 --> 00:39:25.200 that is 00:39:25.200 --> 00:39:25.820 a fault 00:39:25.820 --> 00:39:26.180 in the 00:39:26.180 --> 00:39:26.540 judge 00:39:26.540 --> 00:39:28.440 well 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:29.820 in the 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:30.400 scales 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:31.100 of god's 00:39:31.100 --> 00:39:31.560 justice 00:39:31.560 --> 00:39:33.080 it would 00:39:33.080 --> 00:39:33.760 be wrong 00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:34.280 for god 00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:35.000 to know 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:35.740 about sin 00:39:35.740 --> 00:39:36.400 know about 00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:36.920 our law 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:37.340 breaking 00:39:37.340 --> 00:39:38.520 and just 00:39:38.520 --> 00:39:39.540 ignore it 00:39:39.540 --> 00:39:41.060 in fact 00:39:41.060 --> 00:39:41.780 god would 00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:42.360 cease to 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:43.080 be holy 00:39:43.080 --> 00:39:44.420 if he just 00:39:44.420 --> 00:39:45.360 decided our 00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:45.880 sin doesn't 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:46.700 matter anymore 00:39:46.700 --> 00:39:47.940 i can sweep 00:39:47.940 --> 00:39:48.320 that under 00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:48.780 the rug 00:39:48.780 --> 00:39:50.019 no to 00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:50.600 ignore 00:39:50.600 --> 00:39:51.320 sin 00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:52.300 it's to 00:39:52.300 --> 00:39:52.800 say it 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:53.100 doesn't 00:39:53.100 --> 00:39:53.480 matter 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:55.640 but god 00:39:55.640 --> 00:39:56.260 is too 00:39:56.260 --> 00:39:56.820 holy 00:39:56.820 --> 00:39:57.380 and too 00:39:57.380 --> 00:39:58.120 just to 00:39:58.120 --> 00:39:58.620 do that 00:39:58.620 --> 00:40:00.220 and so 00:40:00.220 --> 00:40:00.980 the debt 00:40:00.980 --> 00:40:01.740 of sin 00:40:01.740 --> 00:40:02.720 cannot just 00:40:02.720 --> 00:40:03.519 be ignored 00:40:03.519 --> 00:40:05.080 it must 00:40:05.080 --> 00:40:06.039 be redeemed 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:06.660 in some 00:40:06.660 --> 00:40:06.980 way 00:40:06.980 --> 00:40:08.620 god's 00:40:08.620 --> 00:40:08.940 wrath 00:40:08.940 --> 00:40:09.680 can't just 00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:10.480 stop 00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:11.820 it needs 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:12.640 to land 00:40:12.640 --> 00:40:13.440 somewhere 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.420 and god 00:40:15.420 --> 00:40:16.120 can't just 00:40:16.120 --> 00:40:16.660 leave his 00:40:16.660 --> 00:40:17.380 enemies to 00:40:17.380 --> 00:40:17.840 run around 00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:18.220 and not 00:40:18.220 --> 00:40:18.579 be dealt 00:40:18.579 --> 00:40:18.780 with 00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:20.039 there needs 00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:20.400 to be 00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.119 reconciliation 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:23.640 and so 00:40:23.640 --> 00:40:24.980 atonement 00:40:24.980 --> 00:40:27.320 is absolutely 00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:28.680 necessary for 00:40:28.680 --> 00:40:29.099 sinners to 00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:29.559 be saved 00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:31.640 so 00:40:31.640 --> 00:40:32.019 Dawkins 00:40:32.019 --> 00:40:32.440 question 00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:33.000 if god 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:33.599 wanted to 00:40:33.599 --> 00:40:34.140 forgive our 00:40:34.140 --> 00:40:34.380 sins 00:40:34.380 --> 00:40:34.900 why didn't 00:40:34.900 --> 00:40:35.240 he just 00:40:35.240 --> 00:40:35.840 forgive them 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:36.800 well he 00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:37.599 can forgive 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:38.160 our sins 00:40:38.160 --> 00:40:39.220 wonderfully 00:40:39.220 --> 00:40:40.280 he can 00:40:40.280 --> 00:40:43.040 but forgiveness 00:40:43.040 --> 00:40:44.420 must come 00:40:44.420 --> 00:40:45.140 through 00:40:45.140 --> 00:40:45.820 atonement 00:40:45.820 --> 00:40:48.320 but a 00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:48.580 question 00:40:48.580 --> 00:40:49.140 remains 00:40:49.140 --> 00:40:50.680 if this 00:40:50.680 --> 00:40:51.080 debt 00:40:51.080 --> 00:40:51.640 can't just 00:40:51.640 --> 00:40:52.100 disappear 00:40:52.100 --> 00:40:53.460 and if 00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:54.120 this wrath 00:40:54.120 --> 00:40:54.720 can't just 00:40:54.720 --> 00:40:55.340 disappear 00:40:55.340 --> 00:40:57.800 and we 00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:58.920 can't pay 00:40:58.920 --> 00:40:59.720 that debt 00:40:59.720 --> 00:41:00.200 and we 00:41:00.200 --> 00:41:01.040 can't handle 00:41:01.040 --> 00:41:01.760 that wrath 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:03.440 how 00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.700 how can 00:41:04.700 --> 00:41:05.280 we find 00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:05.840 atonement 00:41:05.840 --> 00:41:06.300 atonement 00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:07.780 well what 00:41:07.780 --> 00:41:08.480 we need 00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:09.519 is a 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:10.519 sacrifice 00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:12.620 atonement 00:41:12.620 --> 00:41:13.360 can only 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:13.960 happen 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:15.380 by something 00:41:15.380 --> 00:41:16.360 or someone 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:17.120 else 00:41:17.120 --> 00:41:18.260 being 00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:19.059 sacrificed 00:41:19.059 --> 00:41:20.079 as a 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:20.559 substitute 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:21.300 for us 00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:22.800 the debt 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:23.500 needs to be 00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:24.380 paid somehow 00:41:24.380 --> 00:41:25.240 the wrath 00:41:25.240 --> 00:41:26.059 needs to land 00:41:26.059 --> 00:41:26.680 somewhere 00:41:26.680 --> 00:41:27.820 and so 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:29.100 we need 00:41:29.100 --> 00:41:30.300 a sacrifice 00:41:30.300 --> 00:41:31.260 to step in 00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:31.840 for us 00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:33.320 and I 00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:33.680 wonder who 00:41:33.680 --> 00:41:33.940 that could 00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:34.300 be 00:41:34.300 --> 00:41:35.820 come again 00:41:35.820 --> 00:41:36.460 next week 00:41:36.460 --> 00:41:36.860 and we 00:41:36.860 --> 00:41:37.800 will think 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:38.400 deeply 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:38.940 about the 00:41:38.940 --> 00:41:39.360 cross 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:41.240 I think 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:41.539 we've got a bit 00:41:41.539 --> 00:41:42.079 of time 00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:43.220 yeah we've got 00:41:43.220 --> 00:41:43.720 one minute 00:41:43.720 --> 00:41:44.240 for questions