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 Father, we thank you for the different friends and neighbors and co-workers that you've given us.

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 Sometimes, Father, we're not always thankful for them.

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 But we thank you for everyone that we have some contact with, some degree of influence over,

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 and even those who influence us.

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 And we ask, Father, that you help us to hear their questions and not to be afraid of them,

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 and that you help us to bear witness to Jesus.

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 Father, we ask that you help us not to be afraid of the questions that people might ask about why we follow Jesus.

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 Grant us, Father, a deep confidence in Jesus, a deep confidence in the Gospel,

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 a deep confidence in your Word, so that we are unafraid of questions.

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 And this we ask in Jesus' name, your Son and our Savior. Amen.

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 Please be seated.

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 So, I guess some of you, if you're regulars, you've figured out that I do a lot of work in coffee shops.

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 And so there's one particular coffee shop where I do most of my sermon preparation.

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 And I don't think I've mentioned this before, but there's now, I think, about five different people,

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 they don't do it every week, who will come up to me and ask me what my sermon's going to be on this week.

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 And so sometimes it leads to very, very interesting conversations.

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 And something happened just this week, actually.

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 It's partially talked about on the blog.

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 I don't know how many people read the blog that I write every week that's in the bulletin and then on the web,

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 but that doesn't matter how many read it or not.

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 So this, I was working on my sermon, and this fellow, one of the fellows who occasionally asks me what I'm preaching on on Sunday,

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 and he asks me, and he listens very politely, and after I've told him, you know, very roughly what I'm going to preach on,

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 he then goes into this five-minute, very eloquent, impassioned monologue about all of the pain and suffering in the world.

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 And all of the natural disasters in the world, and all of the war and evil in the world,

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 obviously he can't cover it all in five minutes, but he just gave concrete example after concrete example,

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 and said, George, in light of all of this, what you're doing on Sunday is a waste of time,

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 because there is no positive news from God or about God, because God can't exist.

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 And so you can look in the blog a little bit about how I began to answer the question,

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 and a little tiny bit about what happened there, and I can't touch on all of that issue here,

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 but actually, afterwards I was thinking that his question, actually, his comment,

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 was actually very helpful for us, because the Bible text that Laurier read

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 actually gives us a really deep insight into that whole question and problem that my friend raised.

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 So if you get your Bibles out, we're not going to look at that text, all of that text immediately.

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 I'm going to do something which is a little, actually, get your Bible out now.

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 Get your Bible out. We're going to look at that.

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 It's 2 Corinthians 5, verses 11 to 21, and I'm just going to read it,

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 because it doesn't sound at first as if it has anything at all to do with the problem of evil

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 and how we try to think it through, but it actually, we'll see.

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 So here's how it goes.

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 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade others.

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 But what we are is known to God, and I hope it is also known to you, your consciences.

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 We are not commending ourselves to you again, but giving you cause to boast about us,

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 so that you may be able to answer those who boast about outward appearance

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 and not about what is in the heart.

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 For we are beside ourselves, it is for God.

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 If we are in our right mind, it is for you.

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 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this,

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 that one has died for all, therefore all have died.

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 And he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves,

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 but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

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 It's a very complicated bit of a sentence, isn't it?

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 I might say a few things about that towards the end.

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 I'm actually leading us to a very, very odd thing,

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 and I want to try to show you the oddness of it.

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 We're actually going to spend most of this sermon on one odd bit of the whole scripture.

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 So keep reading verse 16.

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 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh.

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 And just pause here for a second.

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 That doesn't mean, flesh here doesn't mean bodily or physically.

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 The word flesh here means that part of human beings that are in rebellion against God,

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 that want to be like God.

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 I'm not playing particular favorites here.

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 I know the election in the United States of America is coming up very, very, very soon.

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 My guess is that both Trump and Clinton are pretty high up there in wanting to be like God.

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 You can all have a little bit of debate as to who has a bigger God complex, Clinton or Trump.

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 I'm not even going to get into it.

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 But in some ways, maybe they have a higher God complex than most of us here in the room.

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 But every human being has a bit of a God complex where we want to be like God.

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 We want to take God's place.

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 We want to act like God.

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 We want to be the center.

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 And when it says the flesh, it's talking about seeing the world from that perspective.

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 Okay, that's what it's talking about.

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 Understanding and seeing different people and processes from that perspective.

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 That's what it means by the flesh.

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 So verse 16 again.

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 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh,

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 even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh.

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 We regard him thus no longer.

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 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he has a new creation.

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 The old has passed away.

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 Behold, the new has come.

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 All this is from God who through Christ reconciled us to himself

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 and gave us the ministry of reconciliation.

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 That is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to himself,

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 not counting their trespasses against them

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 and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

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 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ,

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 God making his appeal through us.

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 We implore you on behalf of Christ,

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 be reconciled to God.

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 For our sake, he made him to be sin who knew no sin

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 so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

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 And it's that verse 21.

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 And I didn't know this before I started to read the academic commentaries.

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 And it's hard in English to put it and try to reflect

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 what the academic commentaries say is going on at the level of the original language.

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 So in the year 56 or whatever,

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 when the original hearers heard this letter in the original language,

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 they would have recognized that this last verse is an odd verse.

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 It's an absolute statement.

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 And in the original language,

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 it's as if it's not connected to what went on in verse 20,

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 19 and 20 and before.

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 And in some ways,

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 it's as if it's not connected to chapter 6, verse 1,

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 and what happens after.

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 It's this absolute statement.

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 And in some ways, almost,

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 we'd want to have it in bold and in a square

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 and in bigger letters.

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 Because in some ways,

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 it's this absolute statement.

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 It's in a Greek tense

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 that doesn't exist in English

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 where it's an act completed by God.

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 An act of God completed.

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 And it's just in an absolute sense.

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 In other words,

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 just all of a sudden,

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 it's just there.

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 And in some ways,

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 it's to explain everything in the book.

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 And in some ways,

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 it's connected to everything in the book.

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 In some ways,

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 it's connected to nothing in the book

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 at a literary level.

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 And that's just how it's written.

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 And it's hard to communicate in English.

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 And I didn't know that

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 until I was reading the academic commentaries.

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 And it's this,

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 whoa, comment.

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 And I'm going to have it put up.

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 Andrew, could you put it up on the screen?

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 And I've put it up here.

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 It's almost as if you translated it literally

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 in the order that it's given in

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 with these five different ideas.

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 And so,

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 you know,

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 I know one of the things

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 I like to try to do

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 with 2 Corinthians

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 is say certain verses

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 over and over again

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 so you memorize them.

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 And I have to confess,

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 I have,

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 when I'm going to look at it,

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 I have this verse memorized.

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 God made him

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 who knew no sin

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 to be sin for us

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 so that in him

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 we might become

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 the righteousness of God.

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 I have that memorized.

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 And all week,

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 I've been thinking about it this way

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 and I'm all messed up.

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 So,

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 those of you

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 who have memorized this verse,

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 I don't want to mess you up,

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 but

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 this is how,

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 a literal way,

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 so could you say it with me?

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 I know it's,

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 and I've done it on purpose

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 because it's,

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 and actually Andrew,

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 could you do something for me?

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 Could you put the word God

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 in the third line?

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 Could you put that in brackets?

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 Square brackets?

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 Because actually in the original language,

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 oh,

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 he has to take it off.

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 I guess we can't all read it together out loud

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 until it comes back on.

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 But in the original language,

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 the word God isn't there.

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 It just has this powerful word,

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 made sin.

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 And I guess,

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 Andrew,

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 when it comes to the third point,

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 you can do the same thing.

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 And just waiting,

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 waiting,

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 waiting.

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 Maybe we should sing a song,

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 tell a joke.

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 I wouldn't do a little bit of a dance

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 because then you'd all want to leave

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 or you'd be rolling in the aisles

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 with laughter

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 because I can't dance at all.

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 In heaven,

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 I'll learn to dance.

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 That's sort of my hope.

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 There we go.

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 Could you all say this with me?

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 The one who knew no sin for us,

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 God made sin,

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 that we might become

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 the righteousness of God in him.

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 Let's say it together again.

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 The one who knew no sin for us,

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 God made sin,

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 that we might become

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 the righteousness of God in him.

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 And I can't see the screen very well,

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 so I should make sure I read it the way it's...

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 Okay.

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 So,

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 here's the thing.

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 So,

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 put up the first thing,

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 Andrew.

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 We're just going to look at each one of those lines.

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 So,

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 the first line,

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 we're going to look at,

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 the one who knew no sin.

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 Well,

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 this sounds like a very,

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 very odd idea,

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 doesn't it?

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 And in fact,

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 at first,

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 it doesn't sound very attractive

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 if we think about it.

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 I want to share something with you,

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 true confessions.

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 I don't like Superman.

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 I've never liked Superman.

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 Even when I was a kid,

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 addicting to comic books,

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 every once in a while,

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 I would borrow a friend's Superman comic,

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 and I could hardly finish it

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 because it reaffirmed to me

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 why I so dislike Superman.

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 And I know I've now completely and utterly

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 alienated myself from some of you,

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 but basically,

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 the problem with Superman is

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 he had no weaknesses.

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 Come on.

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 Like,

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 he can't figure out when kryptonite's coming?

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 He has no weaknesses.

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 I mean,

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 even if things go really bad,

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 all he has to do is go with his

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 unbelievably super fast speed

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 to go back in time and fix it.

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 And it's not even as fun

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 as when Bill and Ted,

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 in their excellent adventure,

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 they go back in time

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 and forward in time to fix things.

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 That at least is amusing.

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 And I just never liked it.

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 He had no weaknesses.

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 And so for many of us,

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 when we hear this idea

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 that Jesus has no weakness,

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 that he has no sin,

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 he knew no sin,

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 and we think of it like

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 Jesus is like Superman,

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 only there's no kryptonite.

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 Well,

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 how interesting

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 or how relatable is that

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 to us in our human experience?

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 Like,

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 let's just be honest.

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 How can you relate to somebody

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 who just sort of goes through life?

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 I mean,

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 you know why?

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 Why did I not like Superman?

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 He's stronger than anything.

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 He can,

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 like,

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 there's no drama in his fights.

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 Like,

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 nothing.

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 Like,

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 it just,

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 and so that's how a lot of us

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 feel with Jesus.

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 Like,

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 we know we're supposed to love him

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 and we know we're supposed to adore him

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 and we know we can be thankful for him.

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 But the fact of the matter is,

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 how can he relate to us as human beings

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 when he knew no sin?

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 I know some of you may be your guests.

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 You're saying,

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 I knew I shouldn't have come

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 to an Anglican church

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 on a Sunday morning

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 because he's just going to preach heresy.

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 And,

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 and you're already tweeting,

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 Anglican minister once again,

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 preaching stuff which is heretical.

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 But let's just,

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 you know,

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 but here,

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 the text actually,

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 rather than telling us

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 that Jesus is like Superman,

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 is actually telling us

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 something radically different,

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 the complete and utter opposite

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 of Superman.

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 The,

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 the word knew there,

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 amongst,

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 another thing,

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 just before I,

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 I go to where this text is going,

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 the word knew,

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 know there,

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 isn't just having an idea

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 in your head.

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 It's,

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 the same word

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 that is often used

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 in the Bible

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 to describe sexual intimacy,

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 sexual intercourse.

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 Isaac saw Rebecca

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 and they went into their tent

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 and he knew her.

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 It's the same word

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 and it talks about experiential,

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 intimate knowledge.

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 But what's going on here,

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 this cryptic sentence,

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 it's almost a bit like a creed,

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 just said there very,

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 bluntly,

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 it's made a bit clearer

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 in a different part of the Bible.

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 Some of you might be familiar with it

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 and it's Hebrews chapter 4.

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 If you just want to turn in your Bibles

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 to Hebrews chapter 4,

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 Hebrews chapter 4

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 captures

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 what's going on in this verse

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 in the original language,

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 the idea there.

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 And it's Hebrews chapter 4

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 verses 14 to 16

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 and it goes like this.

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 Since then,

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 we have a great high priest

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 who has passed through the heavens,

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 Jesus,

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 the Son of God.

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 Let us hold fast

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 our confession.

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 Here's the bit.

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 For we do not have

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 a high priest

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 who is unable to sympathize

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 with our weaknesses,

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 but one who in every respect

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 has been tempted

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 as we are,

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 yet without sin.

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 And then note

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 the very surprising thing

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 that comes next.

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 Tempted in every way

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 like we are,

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 only without sin.

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 Let us then

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 with confidence

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 draw near to the throne of grace

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 that we may receive mercy

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 and find grace

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 to help in times of need.

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 In other words,

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 he's able to identify

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 with our weakness.

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 We get grace from him.

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 So this very puzzling phrase,

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 the one who knew no sin,

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 it's actually telling us

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 that nobody understands

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 human experience

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 better than Jesus.

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 I'll give you an example.

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 Let's say

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 I'm talking to my friend Bob

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 and I happen to know

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 something about Andy

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 and I don't like Andy.

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 Andy has hurt me

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 and he's hurt me

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 more than once

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 and I actually find

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 him a pretty obnoxious

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 and unlikable person.

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 I know none of you

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 have people like that

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 that you find obnoxious

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 or that have hurt you,

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 but you can maybe

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 get the idea.

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 And I also know

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 that Bob

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 doesn't like Andy,

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 that Bob's been hurt

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 by Andy.

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 And so both of us

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 have been hurt by Andy

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 and I happen

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 by happenstance

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 to know something

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 very embarrassing

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 about Andy

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 that would make Andy

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 look really,

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 really, really bad.

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 Now do I tell Bob?

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 Well, the Bible

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 would tell me

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 that I shouldn't,

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 that I should love Andy

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 and I shouldn't do something

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 that's going to belittle him

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 and if he knew

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 that Bob knew

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 it would embarrass him

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 because it's something

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 deeply, deeply shameful

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 and embarrassing

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 about Andy

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 and Andy doesn't know

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 that I know

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 and he definitely

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 wouldn't like it

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 that I knew

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 and he definitely

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 wouldn't like it

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 that Bob knew.

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 But I don't like Andy.

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 So how long

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 before I give in

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 to the temptation

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 to tell Bob?

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 Well, five seconds later,

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 because I'm not very holy,

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 I tell Bob.

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 Well, maybe that's

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 five seconds later

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 is what I was like

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 five years ago

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 and I've grown in holiness

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 and I wait 60 seconds

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 before I tell Bob.

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 But eventually I tell Bob.

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 Now here's the thing.

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 In terms of my experience,

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 I only know

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 what it's like

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 to withstand

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 this temptation

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 to do something wrong

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 and I only know

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 what it's like

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 to do something right

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 for one minute.

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 but after I give in

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 to the temptation,

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 well,

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 my experience

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 then goes

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 in a different way

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 because I've done

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 something evil.

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 I don't know

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 what it would be like

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 to actually,

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 let's say,

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 be on a flight

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 from Ottawa

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 to Vancouver

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 and I'm in

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 the security checkup

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 with Bob

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 and I sit beside Bob

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 on the plane

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 and in a sense

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 I'm with Bob

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 for about six and a half hours

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 and I don't know

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 how to go

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 six and a half hours

00:17:05.860 --> 00:17:07.200
 without telling

00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:08.039
 Bob

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 the embarrassing thing

00:17:09.120 --> 00:17:09.539
 about Andy.

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 I don't know

00:17:09.940 --> 00:17:10.900
 what that human experience

00:17:10.900 --> 00:17:11.259
 is like

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 because I gave in

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 within a minute

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 and what's more,

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 I don't know

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 what it's like

00:17:15.740 --> 00:17:16.620
 to know

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 over the next few years

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 because here's the nice thing

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 about telling really,

00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:21.319
 okay,

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 I mean nice

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 in a particular way,

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 okay,

00:17:24.080 --> 00:17:26.080
 here's the problem

00:17:26.080 --> 00:17:27.380
 with not liking

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 somebody like Andy

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 and wanting to tell them,

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 tell other people

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 bad and embarrassing

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 things that make them

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 look bad

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 is I don't just do it

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 a week after

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 or a day after

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 I hear about it

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 but it could even be

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 five years

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 or ten years

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 or twenty years

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 or twenty-five years later

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 when somebody is saying,

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 oh,

00:17:43.100 --> 00:17:43.460
 look at that,

00:17:43.540 --> 00:17:43.740
 Andy,

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 he's such a bleepity,

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 bleep,

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 bleep,

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 bleep,

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 and I said,

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 oh yeah,

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 you should have

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 known what he did

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 twenty years ago.

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 And I don't know

00:17:51.080 --> 00:17:51.680
 what it's like

00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:52.680
 to not give in

00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:53.700
 to that temptation

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 even if it takes

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 more than a minute,

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 five minutes,

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 an hour,

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 a week,

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 a month,

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 a year,

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 a decade,

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 I don't know

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 what it's like.

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 I only have

00:18:03.559 --> 00:18:04.859
 a shallow experience

00:18:04.859 --> 00:18:05.539
 of what it means

00:18:05.539 --> 00:18:06.200
 to be human

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 when I give in

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 to evil.

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 So what this line

00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:12.400
 is telling us

00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:13.539
 is that Jesus

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 experienced

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 all of the temptations

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 that we do

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 but he never gave

00:18:20.519 --> 00:18:21.220
 in to them.

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 He never gave

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 in to them.

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 He never succumbed

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 to the evil

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 and he would know

00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:33.680
 all the different ways

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 that evil would come up

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 and pop in

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 and give me suggestions,

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 give him suggestions,

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 you know,

00:18:39.660 --> 00:18:40.559
 an hour later,

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 five hours later,

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 a week later,

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 two weeks later,

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 all of the different ways

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 that the mind works

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 and the world works

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 and Andy works

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 and all of those types

00:18:48.680 --> 00:18:49.039
 of things

00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:49.799
 to tempt me

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 to finally give in

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 and say that thing.

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 I don't know

00:18:52.680 --> 00:18:53.360
 any of that stuff

00:18:53.360 --> 00:18:54.200
 because I gave in.

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 Jesus knows it.

00:18:57.299 --> 00:18:58.079
 He knows,

00:18:58.079 --> 00:18:59.559
 human experience

00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:01.500
 to its absolute depths

00:19:01.500 --> 00:19:03.179
 in a way

00:19:03.179 --> 00:19:04.259
 that none of us know

00:19:04.259 --> 00:19:04.980
 what it means

00:19:04.980 --> 00:19:05.639
 to be human

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 and how to live.

00:19:10.339 --> 00:19:11.159
 In other words,

00:19:11.220 --> 00:19:12.000
 he's not at all

00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:12.799
 like Superman,

00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:15.359
 just merely impervious.

00:19:16.199 --> 00:19:16.859
 He's not like

00:19:16.859 --> 00:19:18.299
 the bank machine

00:19:18.299 --> 00:19:19.179
 which can't

00:19:19.179 --> 00:19:20.460
 do anything evil.

00:19:20.619 --> 00:19:21.779
 It's just a bank machine.

00:19:21.980 --> 00:19:22.419
 It's just

00:19:22.419 --> 00:19:25.079
 circuits with pretensions,

00:19:25.579 --> 00:19:25.980
 you know,

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 and

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 Jesus is actually

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 deeply human.

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 Deeply,

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 deeply,

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 deeply human.

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 And this actually,

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 by the way,

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 is going to put

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 the problem of evil

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 in a very,

00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:43.079
 very different perspective.

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 See,

00:19:44.620 --> 00:19:45.700
 here's part of the problem

00:19:45.700 --> 00:19:46.380
 with the problem

00:19:46.380 --> 00:19:46.819
 of evil

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 is that for many of us

00:19:49.099 --> 00:19:49.900
 in this world,

00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:51.940
 we look at all the bad things

00:19:51.940 --> 00:19:52.420
 that have happened

00:19:52.420 --> 00:19:53.220
 to us in our life

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 and we look at the bad things

00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:55.180
 that go on in the world

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 and then when somebody

00:19:56.220 --> 00:19:57.139
 tells us that we need

00:19:57.139 --> 00:19:58.339
 to have Jesus in our life,

00:19:58.680 --> 00:19:59.879
 what's often going on,

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 even if it's unspoken,

00:20:01.299 --> 00:20:02.299
 is we think to ourselves,

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 well,

00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:03.460
 how on earth am I going

00:20:03.460 --> 00:20:05.079
 to get over all the bad things

00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:05.960
 that God has done?

00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.440
 How am I going to be able

00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:08.480
 to forgive God

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 to have a relationship

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 with him?

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 How am I going to be able

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 to be reconciled to God

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 given all the bad things

00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:15.180
 he's done?

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 Why?

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 Because I'm looking

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 at the world

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 from the perspective

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 of my flesh,

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 which is what the text

00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:21.619
 just said a little bit earlier.

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 I'm looking at Jesus

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 from the perspective

00:20:24.219 --> 00:20:25.219
 of my flesh.

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 I've done bad things,

00:20:27.399 --> 00:20:28.279
 God's done bad things,

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 how on earth are we going

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 to work this relationship out?

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 How am I going

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 to work it out with him?

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 But,

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 and,

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 and,

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 I mean,

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 it's not that God

00:20:43.719 --> 00:20:44.339
 is up there

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 sending lightning bolts

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 at people

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 the second we've done

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 something wrong

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 because in fact

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 if God sent lightning bolts

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 out to people

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 who the second

00:20:50.959 --> 00:20:51.859
 they've done something wrong

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 there would be nobody

00:20:52.599 --> 00:20:53.639
 left in this room

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 and nobody left

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 on the planet.

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 We'd have been zapped

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 a long time ago.

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 Even if you gave you

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 a clean slate

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 when you woke up

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 this morning,

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 I don't know how many

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 of us would have

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 made it here by now

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 to tell you the truth.

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 Including me,

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 okay?

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 I wouldn't be up here.

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 You'd be thinking,

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 where's George?

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 But he did something bad,

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 zap.

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 And you're gone,

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 you know?

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 Anyway,

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 and,

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 if in fact

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 no one

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 is perfect

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 and everyone

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 in a sense

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 deserves

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 a punishment

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 from God,

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 it changes

00:21:37.059 --> 00:21:37.900
 the whole problem

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 of evil.

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 And in fact,

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 I mean,

00:21:42.700 --> 00:21:43.480
 how do you now

00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:44.440
 relate to Jesus

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 if he's never

00:21:46.600 --> 00:21:48.200
 done anything wrong?

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 And he knows

00:21:49.660 --> 00:21:50.620
 human experience

00:21:50.620 --> 00:21:51.980
 so deeply and fully.

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 He's experienced

00:21:53.360 --> 00:21:54.440
 all of the temptations

00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:55.220
 you've experienced

00:21:55.220 --> 00:21:56.160
 and I've experienced

00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:57.279
 and he never gave

00:21:57.279 --> 00:21:57.860
 in to them.

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 How on earth

00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:00.799
 do I now relate to him?

00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:01.660
 On one hand,

00:22:01.799 --> 00:22:02.740
 he knows the depth

00:22:02.740 --> 00:22:03.660
 of human experience

00:22:03.660 --> 00:22:04.340
 deeper than me,

00:22:04.420 --> 00:22:05.440
 but now the relationship

00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:06.380
 is very different.

00:22:06.380 --> 00:22:09.940
 You know,

00:22:09.940 --> 00:22:10.480
 it's not like

00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:11.260
 me and my wife.

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 I mean,

00:22:11.620 --> 00:22:11.800
 you know,

00:22:11.800 --> 00:22:12.500
 one of the issues

00:22:12.500 --> 00:22:13.420
 with all marriages

00:22:13.420 --> 00:22:14.760
 is how does a marriage

00:22:14.760 --> 00:22:15.800
 survive discovering

00:22:15.800 --> 00:22:16.820
 that you're both sinners?

00:22:20.520 --> 00:22:21.860
 I'm a way bigger sinner

00:22:21.860 --> 00:22:22.580
 than my wife,

00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:23.220
 by the way.

00:22:23.560 --> 00:22:24.300
 She has a lot more

00:22:24.300 --> 00:22:24.840
 to forgive.

00:22:25.540 --> 00:22:26.620
 But how do you,

00:22:27.020 --> 00:22:28.240
 how do we relate

00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:28.720
 to Jesus?

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 Jesus.

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 So let's say that,

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 could you put the text up,

00:22:34.019 --> 00:22:34.259
 Andrew?

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 Could you say this text

00:22:35.339 --> 00:22:35.960
 with me again?

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 Let's say it.

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 The one who knew no sin

00:22:39.299 --> 00:22:40.620
 for us,

00:22:40.940 --> 00:22:42.140
 God made sin

00:22:42.140 --> 00:22:43.960
 that we might become

00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:45.640
 the righteousness of God

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 in him.

00:22:46.539 --> 00:22:47.700
 Let's say it together again.

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 The one who knew no sin

00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:51.339
 for us,

00:22:51.660 --> 00:22:52.839
 God made sin

00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:54.660
 that we might become

00:22:54.660 --> 00:22:56.319
 the righteousness of God

00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:57.360
 in him.

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 The next thing,

00:23:01.899 --> 00:23:02.619
 for us.

00:23:03.419 --> 00:23:04.299
 For us.

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 You see,

00:23:06.299 --> 00:23:07.399
 now here's the first thing.

00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:07.719
 You know,

00:23:07.879 --> 00:23:08.939
 one of the things

00:23:08.939 --> 00:23:09.719
 which is beloved

00:23:09.719 --> 00:23:10.979
 in Eastern religions

00:23:10.979 --> 00:23:12.500
 is the idea

00:23:12.500 --> 00:23:13.579
 that different monks

00:23:13.579 --> 00:23:14.699
 and stuff like that

00:23:14.699 --> 00:23:16.279
 and different people

00:23:16.279 --> 00:23:17.519
 who really get into it

00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:18.139
 that they can do

00:23:18.139 --> 00:23:19.779
 remarkable physical feats

00:23:19.779 --> 00:23:22.979
 of mind over body,

00:23:23.139 --> 00:23:24.019
 that they can lie

00:23:24.019 --> 00:23:24.879
 in a bed of nails,

00:23:25.139 --> 00:23:25.819
 that they can,

00:23:25.919 --> 00:23:26.240
 you know,

00:23:26.279 --> 00:23:27.240
 they can hold their hand

00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:27.960
 over fire

00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:28.680
 and not wince

00:23:28.680 --> 00:23:29.859
 and it's very appealing

00:23:29.859 --> 00:23:31.180
 to many of us

00:23:31.180 --> 00:23:31.620
 in the West

00:23:31.620 --> 00:23:32.319
 to have that type

00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:33.500
 of sense of mastery

00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:34.960
 and power over our body

00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:35.799
 and,

00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:37.539
 but Jesus is here,

00:23:37.620 --> 00:23:38.480
 it's not that he has

00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:40.180
 this type of iron will

00:23:40.180 --> 00:23:43.019
 that's controlling him

00:23:43.019 --> 00:23:43.980
 because that can be

00:23:43.980 --> 00:23:44.779
 so cold

00:23:44.779 --> 00:23:45.799
 and impersonal

00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:46.660
 and frankly,

00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:47.660
 amoral

00:23:47.660 --> 00:23:48.880
 and self-centered.

00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.560
 but the Bible tells us

00:23:51.560 --> 00:23:52.540
 the one who knew

00:23:52.540 --> 00:23:53.400
 no sin

00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:54.880
 for us

00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:56.580
 and this has,

00:23:56.920 --> 00:23:57.780
 this is once again

00:23:57.780 --> 00:23:59.260
 one of these powerful ideas.

00:23:59.480 --> 00:23:59.700
 If you,

00:23:59.820 --> 00:24:00.160
 in a sense,

00:24:00.380 --> 00:24:01.280
 I don't recommend

00:24:01.280 --> 00:24:02.260
 anybody get tattoos.

00:24:02.380 --> 00:24:03.440
 I don't care if you have a tattoo

00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:03.680
 or not,

00:24:03.740 --> 00:24:04.780
 that's up to you

00:24:04.779 --> 00:24:06.220
 but if you had a tattoo

00:24:06.220 --> 00:24:07.139
 for us

00:24:07.139 --> 00:24:08.660
 would be a good thing

00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:09.279
 to put on

00:24:09.279 --> 00:24:10.879
 thinking of Jesus

00:24:10.879 --> 00:24:11.859
 for us

00:24:11.859 --> 00:24:14.680
 because what motivates

00:24:14.680 --> 00:24:16.279
 everything in the gospel,

00:24:16.539 --> 00:24:17.240
 everything about

00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:18.119
 the one who knew

00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:18.859
 no sin

00:24:18.859 --> 00:24:20.559
 is that he's

00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:21.500
 for us

00:24:21.500 --> 00:24:24.079
 because he loves us

00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.000
 and he's for us

00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:28.359
 and it's also

00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:29.539
 this idea

00:24:29.539 --> 00:24:30.279
 of communicating

00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:30.980
 that somehow

00:24:30.980 --> 00:24:31.599
 or another

00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:33.200
 he represents

00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:34.140
 us

00:24:34.140 --> 00:24:37.619
 and the us

00:24:37.619 --> 00:24:39.200
 means everybody.

00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:40.759
 There's a really good book,

00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:41.539
 I can't pronounce

00:24:41.539 --> 00:24:42.279
 the guy's name,

00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.319
 he's a fellow

00:24:43.319 --> 00:24:44.160
 who became a Muslim

00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:44.720
 and he's now

00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:45.900
 a Baptist pastor

00:24:45.900 --> 00:24:46.579
 and I think his name

00:24:46.579 --> 00:24:47.339
 is Tabithi,

00:24:47.779 --> 00:24:48.220
 I can't remember

00:24:48.220 --> 00:24:48.839
 his last name

00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:49.180
 but he wrote

00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:50.200
 a really interesting book

00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:50.900
 called The Gospel

00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:51.539
 for Muslims

00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:52.839
 and one of the things

00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:53.259
 that he says

00:24:53.259 --> 00:24:53.960
 at the very beginning

00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:54.380
 of the book

00:24:54.380 --> 00:24:54.920
 is that there is

00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:55.480
 no gospel

00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:56.200
 for Muslims.

00:24:56.819 --> 00:24:57.620
 By that he means

00:24:57.620 --> 00:24:58.079
 is that there's

00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:59.059
 no separate gospel

00:24:59.059 --> 00:24:59.680
 for Muslims,

00:24:59.960 --> 00:25:01.019
 there's just the gospel.

00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:03.980
 There's not like

00:25:03.980 --> 00:25:05.019
 a gospel for Muslims,

00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:06.559
 a gospel for transgendered,

00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:07.480
 a gospel for gays,

00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:08.420
 a gospel for men,

00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:09.319
 a gospel for women

00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:10.279
 as if somehow or another

00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:11.319
 God has to change

00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:11.880
 the message

00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:13.099
 every time for the group,

00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:14.440
 there's just the gospel.

00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:14.920
 Why?

00:25:15.440 --> 00:25:17.000
 Because Jesus is for us.

00:25:17.900 --> 00:25:18.860
 He's for those

00:25:18.860 --> 00:25:20.319
 who identify themselves

00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:21.400
 as Muslim

00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.240
 or Hindu

00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:23.480
 or Republican

00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:24.880
 or Democrat

00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:26.560
 or transgendered

00:25:26.560 --> 00:25:27.960
 or whatever it is.

00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:30.960
 Jesus is for us.

00:25:31.140 --> 00:25:31.740
 Not necessarily

00:25:31.740 --> 00:25:32.640
 all how we,

00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:33.500
 not what we do,

00:25:34.060 --> 00:25:35.000
 not all of the things

00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:35.320
 we do,

00:25:35.380 --> 00:25:35.880
 not all the ways

00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:36.720
 we identify ourselves

00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:38.200
 but he's for us

00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:39.620
 and he's able

00:25:39.620 --> 00:25:41.420
 to represent us.

00:25:42.220 --> 00:25:42.400
 I mean,

00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:43.260
 one of the great fears

00:25:43.260 --> 00:25:44.040
 that there's been things

00:25:44.040 --> 00:25:44.420
 in the paper,

00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:45.560
 I don't read most

00:25:45.560 --> 00:25:46.480
 of the election coverage

00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:47.140
 in the states.

00:25:47.320 --> 00:25:47.460
 I mean,

00:25:47.500 --> 00:25:49.260
 it's really just

00:25:49.259 --> 00:25:50.980
 like a test

00:25:50.980 --> 00:25:52.000
 to analyze

00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:52.960
 the fears

00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:53.940
 and idolatries

00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:56.599
 and all of the writers.

00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:57.519
 I mean,

00:25:57.559 --> 00:25:57.839
 it's just,

00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:58.900
 it's quite astounding

00:25:58.900 --> 00:26:00.220
 and I know the candidates

00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:00.980
 are astounding

00:26:00.980 --> 00:26:01.559
 and I'm not going to,

00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:01.779
 I mean,

00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:03.319
 just pray for the American people

00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:04.519
 and that's good.

00:26:04.619 --> 00:26:05.379
 We should pray for them.

00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:06.859
 But, you know,

00:26:06.859 --> 00:26:07.579
 one of the big things

00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:08.359
 is as if there's going to be

00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:09.200
 somehow violence

00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:09.819
 in the states

00:26:09.819 --> 00:26:11.259
 because they understand

00:26:11.259 --> 00:26:12.200
 it's as if there's

00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:13.140
 these two tribes

00:26:13.140 --> 00:26:14.079
 and it's not as if

00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:15.359
 Clinton is running

00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:16.099
 to be the president

00:26:16.099 --> 00:26:16.680
 of the United States

00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:17.420
 but she's trying to be

00:26:17.420 --> 00:26:18.860
 the head of her tribe

00:26:18.860 --> 00:26:20.279
 to give them goodies

00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:22.860
 and against the Trump people

00:26:22.860 --> 00:26:24.860
 and if the Trump tribe loses

00:26:24.860 --> 00:26:25.560
 there's going to be

00:26:25.560 --> 00:26:26.600
 all this anger

00:26:26.600 --> 00:26:27.420
 and the Trump people

00:26:27.420 --> 00:26:27.880
 want to win

00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:29.140
 so they can do bad things

00:26:29.140 --> 00:26:30.080
 to the Clinton people

00:26:30.080 --> 00:26:30.860
 and it's almost as if

00:26:30.860 --> 00:26:32.220
 there's this dialogue going on

00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:33.519
 and what we have

00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:34.299
 to understand here,

00:26:34.360 --> 00:26:35.400
 the power of this phrase

00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:36.380
 for us,

00:26:37.380 --> 00:26:40.019
 for Republicans

00:26:40.019 --> 00:26:40.860
 and Democrats

00:26:40.860 --> 00:26:41.720
 and those who identify

00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:43.060
 themselves as

00:26:43.060 --> 00:26:43.420
 other,

00:26:43.660 --> 00:26:43.880
 you know,

00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:44.960
 same-sex attracted

00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:46.420
 or having multiple

00:26:46.420 --> 00:26:47.340
 different genders

00:26:47.340 --> 00:26:48.440
 or being rich

00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:49.160
 or being poor,

00:26:49.779 --> 00:26:52.560
 Jesus is for us

00:26:52.560 --> 00:26:55.560
 as individuals,

00:26:55.940 --> 00:26:56.900
 as real people.

00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:58.180
 Andrew,

00:26:58.259 --> 00:26:58.980
 could you put the text

00:26:58.980 --> 00:26:59.840
 up again for us,

00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:00.060
 please?

00:27:00.100 --> 00:27:01.240
 Let's say it together again.

00:27:02.620 --> 00:27:04.720
 The one who knew no sin

00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:05.800
 for us,

00:27:06.019 --> 00:27:07.360
 God made sin

00:27:07.360 --> 00:27:09.180
 that we might become

00:27:09.180 --> 00:27:10.880
 the righteousness of God

00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:11.740
 in him.

00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.519
 When they translate,

00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:15.740
 they often put God there

00:27:15.740 --> 00:27:16.819
 just to help clarify it,

00:27:16.819 --> 00:27:17.680
 but it's actually even more

00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:19.460
 powerful in the original language.

00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:20.460
 When the original people

00:27:20.460 --> 00:27:21.000
 heard it,

00:27:21.059 --> 00:27:21.799
 they would have understood

00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.120
 that God was implied,

00:27:23.259 --> 00:27:23.960
 but they would have heard

00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:25.839
 the one who knew no sin

00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:26.559
 for us

00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:27.480
 made sin.

00:27:28.299 --> 00:27:29.200
 For us

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:30.480
 made sin.

00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:31.140
 Could you put up

00:27:31.140 --> 00:27:32.039
 the third point then

00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:32.880
 maybe in keeping God

00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:33.359
 in brackets?

00:27:34.519 --> 00:27:35.640
 You can put the God

00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:36.120
 in brackets.

00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:37.240
 Made sin.

00:27:38.180 --> 00:27:38.359
 Now,

00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:40.019
 this very,

00:27:40.019 --> 00:27:41.640
 very powerful two words,

00:27:41.859 --> 00:27:42.599
 made sin,

00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:44.039
 I don't know how to pronounce

00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:45.159
 this grammatical term.

00:27:45.339 --> 00:27:45.779
 I'm going to make

00:27:45.779 --> 00:27:46.639
 an idea of it.

00:27:46.719 --> 00:27:47.859
 All you grammar geeks

00:27:47.859 --> 00:27:48.359
 out there,

00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.379
 after the service,

00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:50.039
 you can tell me

00:27:50.039 --> 00:27:50.980
 how to pronounce it.

00:27:52.740 --> 00:27:53.259
 Metonymy.

00:27:53.899 --> 00:27:54.419
 Metonymy.

00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:55.959
 Basically,

00:27:56.099 --> 00:27:56.639
 what it is,

00:27:56.959 --> 00:27:57.759
 is it's this,

00:27:58.240 --> 00:27:59.019
 it's when you take

00:27:59.019 --> 00:28:00.459
 a small phrase

00:28:00.459 --> 00:28:01.359
 to represent

00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:02.659
 a fairly complex

00:28:02.659 --> 00:28:04.039
 but real reality.

00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:04.839
 So,

00:28:04.939 --> 00:28:05.379
 for instance,

00:28:05.819 --> 00:28:06.699
 we might say

00:28:06.699 --> 00:28:07.579
 that Justin Trudeau

00:28:07.579 --> 00:28:07.939
 is going to go

00:28:07.940 --> 00:28:08.720
 to Wall Street

00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.900
 to talk.

00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:12.720
 And by Wall Street,

00:28:13.100 --> 00:28:13.799
 we don't just mean

00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.320
 there's a street

00:28:14.320 --> 00:28:14.680
 in New York

00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:15.220
 called Wall,

00:28:15.299 --> 00:28:15.420
 right?

00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.240
 We mean all the

00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:17.340
 banking institutions,

00:28:17.620 --> 00:28:18.600
 the central power,

00:28:18.840 --> 00:28:20.440
 we mean the stock exchange.

00:28:21.100 --> 00:28:21.279
 You know,

00:28:21.940 --> 00:28:23.120
 there's a movie,

00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:23.980
 a famous

00:28:23.980 --> 00:28:25.180
 Jimmy Stewart movie

00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:25.940
 about Mr. Smith

00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:26.900
 goes to Washington,

00:28:27.080 --> 00:28:27.240
 right?

00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:28.220
 We go to Washington,

00:28:28.340 --> 00:28:28.460
 well,

00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:29.039
 it's because we want

00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:29.840
 to talk to the president,

00:28:29.980 --> 00:28:30.420
 we want to talk

00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:31.000
 to Congress,

00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:32.160
 we want to talk

00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:32.799
 to the Senate,

00:28:32.940 --> 00:28:33.440
 we want to talk

00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:34.120
 to the CIA,

00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:35.000
 the FBI,

00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:35.820
 the NSA,

00:28:36.620 --> 00:28:37.559
 Homeland Security,

00:28:37.559 --> 00:28:38.039
 all of those

00:28:38.039 --> 00:28:38.500
 types of things,

00:28:38.539 --> 00:28:39.740
 that's all captured,

00:28:40.059 --> 00:28:41.319
 real things captured

00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:42.000
 with this tiny

00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:42.839
 little phrase

00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:44.299
 going to Washington

00:28:44.299 --> 00:28:45.059
 and that's the same

00:28:45.059 --> 00:28:45.700
 thing here with this

00:28:45.700 --> 00:28:46.740
 idea of made sin,

00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:48.059
 made sin.

00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:50.879
 And it's this idea,

00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:51.700
 it's talking about

00:28:51.700 --> 00:28:52.220
 something that

00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:53.019
 actually happened,

00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:53.899
 it's a completed

00:28:53.899 --> 00:28:55.200
 action in the past

00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:56.899
 that God did

00:28:56.899 --> 00:28:57.899
 and it involves

00:28:57.899 --> 00:28:59.399
 a real death

00:28:59.399 --> 00:29:00.659
 upon the cross

00:29:00.659 --> 00:29:01.960
 at a certain

00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:03.159
 piece of real estate

00:29:03.159 --> 00:29:04.319
 in real history

00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:05.539
 at a certain time

00:29:05.539 --> 00:29:07.240
 outside a real city

00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.359
 done by real people

00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:10.500
 but it's not just

00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.059
 talking about

00:29:11.059 --> 00:29:11.880
 something concrete

00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:12.460
 and specific

00:29:12.460 --> 00:29:13.160
 and real

00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:14.299
 that happens

00:29:14.299 --> 00:29:15.140
 in space

00:29:15.140 --> 00:29:15.880
 and time

00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:16.740
 and history

00:29:16.740 --> 00:29:17.559
 that you could

00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:17.859
 have taken

00:29:17.859 --> 00:29:18.900
 a photograph of

00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:19.839
 but it's also

00:29:19.839 --> 00:29:20.799
 something that's

00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:22.000
 transcendental,

00:29:22.220 --> 00:29:23.160
 that it's talking

00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:23.799
 about something

00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:24.920
 that also God

00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:25.460
 is doing

00:29:25.460 --> 00:29:26.079
 and it affects

00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:26.539
 the things

00:29:26.539 --> 00:29:27.200
 in the heavens

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:28.000
 and heaven

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:28.480
 and earth

00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:29.440
 and hell

00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:30.759
 and it's talking

00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:31.640
 about human beings

00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:32.059
 at the very,

00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:32.579
 very depth

00:29:32.579 --> 00:29:33.160
 of who they are

00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:34.000
 and it's this image

00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:34.940
 of somehow

00:29:34.940 --> 00:29:36.180
 a burden

00:29:36.180 --> 00:29:37.339
 of all of the things

00:29:37.339 --> 00:29:38.420
 that we've done wrong

00:29:38.420 --> 00:29:39.440
 and all of the things

00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:40.759
 that are wrong acts

00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:42.519
 and all of our shameful acts

00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:43.859
 and all of the shame

00:29:43.859 --> 00:29:44.599
 that comes from

00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:45.940
 and all of the accusations

00:29:45.940 --> 00:29:47.279
 and all of our desires

00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:48.680
 to justify ourselves

00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:50.420
 and all of those things

00:29:50.420 --> 00:29:51.099
 that make us up

00:29:51.099 --> 00:29:52.180
 right from the depth

00:29:52.180 --> 00:29:53.339
 of the things

00:29:53.339 --> 00:29:54.519
 that go through our mind

00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:55.900
 as we're analyzing things,

00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:56.079
 you know,

00:29:56.099 --> 00:29:56.839
 we come into church

00:29:56.839 --> 00:29:57.079
 and say,

00:29:57.140 --> 00:29:57.759
 oh, those pants

00:29:57.759 --> 00:29:58.859
 don't go with that shirt

00:29:58.859 --> 00:29:59.240
 or whoa,

00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:00.000
 why on earth

00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:00.779
 is he wearing shoes

00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:01.299
 like that

00:30:01.299 --> 00:30:02.240
 to go with that shirt

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:02.740
 or whoa,

00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:03.379
 boy,

00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.279
 that's a really nice

00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:04.859
 pair of glasses,

00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:05.680
 I wish I could have

00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:06.299
 a pair of glasses

00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:06.899
 like that

00:30:06.899 --> 00:30:07.599
 or whoa,

00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:08.619
 they shouldn't be singing

00:30:08.619 --> 00:30:09.139
 like that

00:30:09.139 --> 00:30:09.539
 or whoa,

00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:10.460
 the singing's a little bit

00:30:10.460 --> 00:30:11.059
 thing or whoa,

00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:11.859
 why is the pastor

00:30:11.859 --> 00:30:12.399
 wearing like that

00:30:12.399 --> 00:30:12.700
 whoa,

00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:13.879
 all of these judgments

00:30:13.879 --> 00:30:14.259
 that we go

00:30:14.259 --> 00:30:15.299
 that if we put them

00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:16.079
 up on the screen,

00:30:16.139 --> 00:30:16.920
 if all of a sudden

00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:18.859
 Dr. X from the X-Men

00:30:18.859 --> 00:30:20.339
 came and froze us

00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:21.180
 all in space

00:30:21.180 --> 00:30:22.359
 and all of those things

00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:22.819
 that were going

00:30:22.819 --> 00:30:23.480
 through our mind

00:30:23.480 --> 00:30:24.660
 and they went on the screen

00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:27.000
 and people would be horrified,

00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:30.000
 that's what you're like inside?

00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:35.119
 Oh,

00:30:35.599 --> 00:30:37.720
 we would be repulsed

00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:42.379
 and all of this complicated idea

00:30:42.379 --> 00:30:45.059
 somehow laid on the one

00:30:45.059 --> 00:30:46.920
 who knew no sin,

00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:52.259
 laid on him for us

00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:57.879
 and I know it sounds

00:30:57.879 --> 00:30:58.139
 very,

00:30:58.220 --> 00:30:58.359
 very,

00:30:58.460 --> 00:30:58.619
 very,

00:30:58.720 --> 00:30:58.980
 very,

00:30:58.980 --> 00:31:01.400
 give you a bit

00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:01.940
 of an illustration

00:31:01.940 --> 00:31:03.039
 about sort of

00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:03.940
 what it's trying

00:31:03.940 --> 00:31:04.839
 to capture as well.

00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:06.200
 This is hard

00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:06.920
 for young people,

00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:07.660
 for those of you

00:31:07.660 --> 00:31:07.960
 who are young,

00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:08.279
 I don't want to say

00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:08.900
 young people,

00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:09.779
 for younger people

00:31:09.779 --> 00:31:10.400
 to understand

00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:11.400
 because we get so used

00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:11.740
 to the way

00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:12.740
 the world works now

00:31:12.740 --> 00:31:14.200
 but when I was,

00:31:14.259 --> 00:31:17.039
 when I was first ordained,

00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:18.440
 one of the things

00:31:18.440 --> 00:31:19.160
 I had to do,

00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:20.640
 I was in a large

00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:21.539
 suburban church

00:31:21.539 --> 00:31:22.160
 and there was a lot

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:23.000
 of elderly people

00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:23.680
 and there was always

00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:24.559
 people in the hospital

00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:25.819
 and I'm not making this up

00:31:25.819 --> 00:31:27.500
 and this isn't like

00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:29.000
 500 years ago

00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:30.220
 because I'm not that old,

00:31:30.939 --> 00:31:33.099
 I could go to the hospital

00:31:33.099 --> 00:31:34.879
 and I would say,

00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:35.299
 hi,

00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:35.819
 I'm,

00:31:36.059 --> 00:31:36.179
 you know,

00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:36.720
 they don't know me

00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:37.299
 from Adam

00:31:37.299 --> 00:31:38.399
 and I say,

00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:38.639
 hi,

00:31:38.679 --> 00:31:39.439
 I'm George Sinclair,

00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.519
 I have my collar on,

00:31:40.639 --> 00:31:41.679
 could you give me the list

00:31:41.679 --> 00:31:42.700
 of every Anglican

00:31:42.700 --> 00:31:43.339
 in the hospital

00:31:43.339 --> 00:31:45.379
 and they would give it to me.

00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:47.899
 I'm not making this up.

00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:49.939
 They'd give it to you

00:31:49.940 --> 00:31:52.259
 and I could just go

00:31:52.259 --> 00:31:52.840
 through the list

00:31:52.840 --> 00:31:53.460
 and I would be able

00:31:53.460 --> 00:31:54.220
 to tell by,

00:31:54.340 --> 00:31:54.620
 you know,

00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:55.580
 names and other things

00:31:55.580 --> 00:31:56.620
 that have my church list

00:31:56.620 --> 00:31:57.400
 and I would go visit

00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:58.299
 everybody who had

00:31:58.299 --> 00:31:59.140
 a connection to my,

00:31:59.320 --> 00:32:00.259
 the church or within

00:32:00.259 --> 00:32:00.920
 the parish boundaries,

00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:01.820
 I'd go give them a visit.

00:32:02.259 --> 00:32:03.860
 When I was in Eganville,

00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.059
 I could go to the hospitals

00:32:05.059 --> 00:32:06.440
 in Pembroke and Renfrew

00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:07.340
 and Barry's Bay

00:32:07.340 --> 00:32:08.559
 and I would just go

00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:08.960
 and say,

00:32:09.080 --> 00:32:09.279
 hi,

00:32:09.360 --> 00:32:10.279
 I'm George Sinclair,

00:32:10.340 --> 00:32:11.140
 I'm an Anglican minister,

00:32:11.220 --> 00:32:11.799
 could I have a list

00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:12.940
 of all the Anglicans

00:32:12.940 --> 00:32:14.759
 and they would give it to me.

00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:17.420
 A simpler time.

00:32:17.420 --> 00:32:17.660
 So,

00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:20.680
 so you see now,

00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:22.460
 I was just re-watching

00:32:22.460 --> 00:32:23.400
 the movie Inception

00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.500
 and now,

00:32:26.220 --> 00:32:28.080
 we only imagine

00:32:28.080 --> 00:32:29.200
 that maybe the president

00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:30.060
 or the CIA

00:32:30.060 --> 00:32:32.400
 or some unbelievable billionaire

00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:33.380
 would be able to go in

00:32:33.380 --> 00:32:35.100
 and get behind the scenes

00:32:35.100 --> 00:32:36.820
 and go to all of the

00:32:36.820 --> 00:32:37.960
 different databases

00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:39.600
 and get all of the information

00:32:39.600 --> 00:32:41.039
 and move things around

00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:41.560
 so that,

00:32:41.620 --> 00:32:43.800
 so that things could be made right.

00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:47.500
 because we don't have

00:32:47.500 --> 00:32:48.659
 that type of knowledge,

00:32:49.159 --> 00:32:49.480
 you know,

00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:50.159
 I mean,

00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:51.139
 I couldn't even if my,

00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:52.399
 one of my married kids

00:32:52.399 --> 00:32:53.339
 was in the hospital

00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:54.279
 and,

00:32:54.339 --> 00:32:54.639
 and,

00:32:54.879 --> 00:32:55.079
 you know,

00:32:55.099 --> 00:32:55.779
 him and his wife

00:32:55.779 --> 00:32:56.379
 were both,

00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:56.599
 let's say,

00:32:56.619 --> 00:32:57.019
 in a coma

00:32:57.019 --> 00:32:57.899
 because he'd been in a car accident,

00:32:58.000 --> 00:32:59.119
 I'd have no authority

00:32:59.119 --> 00:32:59.599
 to go in

00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:00.639
 and actually try to,

00:33:00.639 --> 00:33:02.180
 to make things right

00:33:02.180 --> 00:33:02.980
 or to do things

00:33:02.980 --> 00:33:04.359
 and that's just the way

00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:05.019
 the world is

00:33:05.019 --> 00:33:06.279
 but if you just picture this,

00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:07.440
 if God in effect

00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.500
 can move things around

00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:12.119
 to make things right,

00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:13.739
 part of that process

00:33:13.739 --> 00:33:14.559
 is going to be

00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:15.939
 that all of the wrong things

00:33:15.939 --> 00:33:16.579
 that I've done,

00:33:16.739 --> 00:33:17.419
 all of the debt

00:33:17.419 --> 00:33:18.439
 that everything,

00:33:18.839 --> 00:33:20.519
 every accusation against me

00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:21.959
 that somehow or another

00:33:21.959 --> 00:33:23.399
 he's going to be able

00:33:23.399 --> 00:33:24.439
 to somehow,

00:33:25.639 --> 00:33:26.299
 the Bible doesn't go

00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:26.899
 through the mechanics,

00:33:27.259 --> 00:33:28.000
 place it

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:29.239
 on the one

00:33:29.239 --> 00:33:30.099
 who knew no sin.

00:33:32.219 --> 00:33:33.439
 Just as for those of you

00:33:33.439 --> 00:33:34.319
 who watch the movie

00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:35.379
 Inception,

00:33:35.699 --> 00:33:36.579
 it's all driven

00:33:36.579 --> 00:33:37.299
 by the fact

00:33:37.299 --> 00:33:38.159
 that the man wants

00:33:38.159 --> 00:33:39.079
 to be reunited

00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:40.059
 with his children

00:33:40.059 --> 00:33:41.679
 and he comes across

00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:42.519
 a rich man

00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.340
 who can move

00:33:44.340 --> 00:33:45.200
 everything around

00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.420
 behind the scenes

00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:48.160
 to allow him

00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:49.340
 to return to his children.

00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:50.420
 I won't tell you

00:33:50.420 --> 00:33:51.019
 whether it happens

00:33:51.019 --> 00:33:51.299
 or not,

00:33:51.360 --> 00:33:52.279
 that would spoil the movie.

00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:55.480
 Can you put up

00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:56.200
 the thing again,

00:33:56.320 --> 00:33:57.259
 the sentence please?

00:33:58.779 --> 00:33:59.900
 Can you say it with me?

00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:02.340
 The one who knew no sin

00:34:02.340 --> 00:34:03.259
 for us,

00:34:03.580 --> 00:34:04.779
 God made sin

00:34:04.779 --> 00:34:06.480
 that we might become

00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:08.039
 the righteousness of God

00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:08.880
 in him.

00:34:09.300 --> 00:34:09.900
 Fourth one,

00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:10.740
 that we might become

00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:11.719
 the righteousness of God.

00:34:11.779 --> 00:34:12.379
 So how does this go?

00:34:12.399 --> 00:34:13.479
 The one who knew no sin

00:34:13.479 --> 00:34:14.139
 for us,

00:34:14.419 --> 00:34:15.199
 he's for us,

00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:16.839
 he can act as a representative,

00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:18.379
 God made sin,

00:34:18.459 --> 00:34:19.500
 some type of idea

00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:20.199
 that something

00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:21.299
 that should have been on me

00:34:21.299 --> 00:34:22.419
 can somehow be placed

00:34:22.419 --> 00:34:23.099
 on him

00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:24.579
 and as it's placed

00:34:24.579 --> 00:34:25.299
 on him,

00:34:25.579 --> 00:34:26.639
 this righteousness of God

00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:27.019
 doesn't mean

00:34:27.019 --> 00:34:29.319
 that I'm a better person

00:34:29.319 --> 00:34:29.939
 than anybody else,

00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:30.859
 it's far from it.

00:34:31.939 --> 00:34:32.859
 The word righteousness

00:34:32.859 --> 00:34:33.479
 of God

00:34:33.479 --> 00:34:34.659
 in Greek,

00:34:34.779 --> 00:34:35.219
 it has

00:34:35.219 --> 00:34:36.879
 usually one

00:34:36.879 --> 00:34:37.539
 or more

00:34:37.539 --> 00:34:38.739
 of three different meanings.

00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:40.360
 One of them is

00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:40.980
 it's talking about

00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:42.000
 God being right,

00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:43.739
 that God acts

00:34:43.739 --> 00:34:44.039
 in a way

00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:44.820
 which is right

00:34:44.820 --> 00:34:46.199
 and another way

00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:46.960
 which is used

00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:47.639
 which is hard

00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:48.500
 for North Americans

00:34:48.500 --> 00:34:49.219
 to understand,

00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:49.940
 it's an image

00:34:49.940 --> 00:34:51.000
 that made a lot of sense

00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:51.719
 and it would make

00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:52.300
 a lot of sense

00:34:52.300 --> 00:34:53.239
 in most of the world.

00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:54.480
 Like in China,

00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:55.159
 you're not innocent

00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:56.279
 until you're proven guilty,

00:34:56.980 --> 00:34:57.199
 right?

00:34:58.639 --> 00:34:59.139
 I mean,

00:34:59.259 --> 00:34:59.420
 you know,

00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:00.279
 basically if the state

00:35:00.279 --> 00:35:01.099
 wants to throw you in jail,

00:35:01.179 --> 00:35:01.940
 they'll throw you in jail.

00:35:01.940 --> 00:35:04.579
 And this word,

00:35:04.700 --> 00:35:05.780
 this second word

00:35:05.780 --> 00:35:06.420
 about being

00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:09.079
 given complete

00:35:09.079 --> 00:35:09.420
 and utter

00:35:09.420 --> 00:35:10.700
 blameworthy status

00:35:10.700 --> 00:35:11.840
 and set free,

00:35:11.900 --> 00:35:12.920
 that makes a lot of sense

00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:13.440
 in China.

00:35:13.539 --> 00:35:14.539
 It doesn't make as much sense

00:35:14.539 --> 00:35:15.059
 in Canada

00:35:15.059 --> 00:35:15.639
 where you're innocent

00:35:15.639 --> 00:35:16.539
 until proven guilty.

00:35:17.099 --> 00:35:18.159
 So often in Canada,

00:35:18.260 --> 00:35:19.039
 the third sense

00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:19.480
 is the one

00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:20.260
 which is a bit better

00:35:20.260 --> 00:35:21.760
 which is to make things right,

00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.019
 to set things right

00:35:24.019 --> 00:35:25.059
 in a way that shows

00:35:25.059 --> 00:35:25.880
 that God is right

00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:26.760
 and to illustrate it,

00:35:26.800 --> 00:35:27.539
 I'll give you a story.

00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:28.179
 Some of you have heard

00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:28.960
 the story before.

00:35:30.720 --> 00:35:31.619
 Hopefully this will get you

00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:32.339
 a bit of a sense

00:35:32.339 --> 00:35:33.119
 about what it means

00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:33.900
 that in Him

00:35:33.900 --> 00:35:35.000
 we become the righteousness

00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:35.619
 of God.

00:35:36.380 --> 00:35:37.219
 I was a very,

00:35:37.339 --> 00:35:37.539
 very,

00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:37.880
 very,

00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:38.880
 very bad student

00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:40.119
 when I was in elementary

00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:40.799
 and high school.

00:35:40.940 --> 00:35:41.859
 I was very lazy.

00:35:43.279 --> 00:35:45.259
 And I can't remember now

00:35:45.259 --> 00:35:46.359
 if it was grade 7 or 8.

00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:47.779
 We,

00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:49.500
 coming up into the spring,

00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:50.299
 the end of the year,

00:35:50.859 --> 00:35:52.779
 and I had in my French class,

00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:53.440
 we had to give,

00:35:53.500 --> 00:35:54.299
 I think it was a two-minute

00:35:54.299 --> 00:35:55.359
 speech in French

00:35:55.359 --> 00:35:57.239
 and it was a big project,

00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:58.380
 culminating project

00:35:58.380 --> 00:35:59.000
 for the year.

00:35:59.500 --> 00:36:00.259
 And I,

00:36:00.480 --> 00:36:01.319
 being a lazy,

00:36:01.320 --> 00:36:02.180
 bad student

00:36:02.180 --> 00:36:03.860
 and despite the fact

00:36:03.860 --> 00:36:04.940
 that I'm absolutely terrible,

00:36:05.080 --> 00:36:06.220
 I was terrible at French,

00:36:06.580 --> 00:36:08.200
 I did absolutely no work on it.

00:36:09.640 --> 00:36:10.200
 I would,

00:36:10.300 --> 00:36:11.539
 I would play road hockey

00:36:11.539 --> 00:36:12.340
 or baseball

00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:13.340
 or touch football

00:36:13.340 --> 00:36:14.320
 with my friends

00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:15.000
 and after that

00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:15.840
 I would either read,

00:36:16.420 --> 00:36:17.120
 but I would do

00:36:17.120 --> 00:36:17.880
 no school work,

00:36:17.940 --> 00:36:18.559
 no preparation.

00:36:18.740 --> 00:36:19.260
 One of the reasons

00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:19.980
 I didn't do it

00:36:19.980 --> 00:36:21.400
 is because I was very confident

00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:21.720
 that when,

00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:22.420
 in that class,

00:36:22.460 --> 00:36:23.160
 she said it would take us

00:36:23.160 --> 00:36:23.620
 a whole week

00:36:23.620 --> 00:36:24.620
 to go through the speeches

00:36:24.619 --> 00:36:26.719
 and this teacher

00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:27.359
 always did it

00:36:27.359 --> 00:36:28.539
 in alphabetical order,

00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:30.920
 usually from A to Z,

00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:32.239
 occasionally from Z to A

00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:33.000
 and if she was really

00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.359
 feeling wild and crazy,

00:36:34.539 --> 00:36:35.179
 she'd mix it up

00:36:35.179 --> 00:36:36.000
 and use first names

00:36:36.000 --> 00:36:37.119
 rather than last names.

00:36:37.599 --> 00:36:38.839
 But I had been blessed

00:36:38.839 --> 00:36:40.279
 with the perfect name,

00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:41.139
 George Sinclair,

00:36:41.259 --> 00:36:41.759
 which meant that

00:36:41.759 --> 00:36:42.659
 no matter which way

00:36:42.659 --> 00:36:43.259
 she did it,

00:36:43.339 --> 00:36:44.339
 I would never be

00:36:44.339 --> 00:36:45.199
 in the first group.

00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:47.219
 And being lazy

00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:48.279
 and being cocky

00:36:48.279 --> 00:36:49.199
 and being stupid,

00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:50.359
 I did absolutely

00:36:50.359 --> 00:36:51.159
 no preparation.

00:36:51.940 --> 00:36:52.799
 So the day comes,

00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:53.699
 beautiful sunny day,

00:36:53.739 --> 00:36:54.599
 I can still picture it

00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:54.960
 in my mind,

00:36:55.059 --> 00:36:55.899
 beautiful sunny day,

00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:56.599
 we're all sitting

00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:57.519
 hubbub, hubbub

00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:58.139
 and she says

00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:00.099
 in her cheery teacher voice,

00:37:00.219 --> 00:37:01.319
 okay, we're going to do

00:37:01.319 --> 00:37:02.500
 our French speeches

00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:03.179
 right now,

00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:04.219
 as if everybody's just

00:37:04.219 --> 00:37:05.319
 looking forward to do it.

00:37:05.779 --> 00:37:06.480
 And she said,

00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:07.679
 I've been thinking

00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:08.519
 about this

00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.119
 and I think it's unfair

00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:11.980
 that,

00:37:12.279 --> 00:37:13.399
 well, it's not unfair,

00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:13.819
 but you know,

00:37:13.859 --> 00:37:15.339
 it's not maybe always fair

00:37:15.339 --> 00:37:16.480
 that I always do things

00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:17.559
 in alphabetical order.

00:37:18.579 --> 00:37:19.239
 In modern,

00:37:19.799 --> 00:37:20.739
 postmodern language,

00:37:20.739 --> 00:37:21.339
 she'd say,

00:37:21.419 --> 00:37:21.859
 and I don't think

00:37:21.859 --> 00:37:23.239
 it's fair to privilege

00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:24.779
 people with names

00:37:24.779 --> 00:37:26.239
 that begin with K

00:37:26.239 --> 00:37:27.559
 or something like that

00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:28.000
 that are always

00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:28.379
 in the middle.

00:37:28.899 --> 00:37:29.459
 So she said,

00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:29.619
 you know,

00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:30.500
 I've been thinking about it,

00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:30.719
 you know,

00:37:30.759 --> 00:37:31.919
 it's maybe not always fair

00:37:31.919 --> 00:37:33.019
 to do it by alphabetical order

00:37:33.019 --> 00:37:33.639
 and I was thinking,

00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:34.599
 you know what would be more fair,

00:37:34.959 --> 00:37:35.919
 the most fair way

00:37:35.919 --> 00:37:36.739
 in the world to do it

00:37:36.739 --> 00:37:37.739
 is why don't we pick

00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:39.079
 numbers out of a hat?

00:37:40.819 --> 00:37:42.139
 And I've come to the class,

00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:42.719
 I have a hat

00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:44.019
 and there's 30,

00:37:44.139 --> 00:37:45.019
 I think there was 30 students

00:37:45.019 --> 00:37:45.519
 in the class

00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:46.059
 and you know,

00:37:46.099 --> 00:37:46.500
 we're going to have

00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:47.439
 six students today

00:37:47.439 --> 00:37:48.279
 give their speech

00:37:48.279 --> 00:37:49.779
 and I have numbers

00:37:49.780 --> 00:37:50.320
 one to 30

00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:50.980
 and it's cut up

00:37:50.980 --> 00:37:51.380
 and we're just going

00:37:51.380 --> 00:37:52.019
 to pass the hat

00:37:52.019 --> 00:37:52.640
 around the room

00:37:52.640 --> 00:37:53.640
 and you just take

00:37:53.640 --> 00:37:54.380
 a name out of the hat

00:37:54.380 --> 00:37:55.860
 and whatever number

00:37:55.860 --> 00:37:56.200
 you have,

00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:56.840
 that's the order

00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:57.320
 you're going to give

00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:58.040
 your speech in

00:37:58.040 --> 00:37:58.860
 and isn't that fair?

00:37:58.960 --> 00:37:59.600
 Everybody in the class

00:37:59.600 --> 00:38:00.540
 including myself

00:38:00.540 --> 00:38:01.320
 said that's very,

00:38:01.420 --> 00:38:01.860
 very fair.

00:38:02.260 --> 00:38:03.060
 I didn't realize

00:38:03.060 --> 00:38:03.960
 that my doom

00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:04.620
 had come

00:38:04.620 --> 00:38:06.600
 because when the hat

00:38:06.600 --> 00:38:07.540
 came to me,

00:38:07.620 --> 00:38:08.340
 I picked out

00:38:08.340 --> 00:38:09.060
 number one.

00:38:13.240 --> 00:38:14.280
 I laugh now,

00:38:14.340 --> 00:38:15.580
 I was not laughing then.

00:38:16.060 --> 00:38:17.220
 If you had seen me,

00:38:17.220 --> 00:38:17.700
 you would have seen

00:38:17.699 --> 00:38:18.879
 my face get red.

00:38:19.879 --> 00:38:20.559
 If there was a way

00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:21.659
 to measure body heat,

00:38:21.759 --> 00:38:23.719
 my body got very hot.

00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:25.599
 Sweat probably started

00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:27.119
 to pour out of my armpits

00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:28.099
 and other parts

00:38:28.099 --> 00:38:28.779
 of my body

00:38:28.779 --> 00:38:30.460
 and I sat there

00:38:30.460 --> 00:38:31.239
 completely

00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:32.819
 and utterly devastated.

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:35.279
 My doom had come.

00:38:36.299 --> 00:38:37.000
 So the teacher

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.439
 and her cheery teacher voice

00:38:38.439 --> 00:38:38.639
 said,

00:38:38.759 --> 00:38:38.919
 okay,

00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:40.179
 who has number one?

00:38:40.839 --> 00:38:41.099
 As if,

00:38:41.179 --> 00:38:42.439
 who would like number one?

00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:43.739
 I don't know.

00:38:44.059 --> 00:38:44.759
 I guess there's always

00:38:44.759 --> 00:38:45.939
 a keener in some class.

00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:46.559
 At coffee,

00:38:46.659 --> 00:38:47.019
 you could say,

00:38:47.099 --> 00:38:47.219
 you know,

00:38:47.219 --> 00:38:47.500
 by the way,

00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:48.399
 I was always the one

00:38:48.399 --> 00:38:49.459
 who wanted to be number one

00:38:49.459 --> 00:38:50.099
 to do things

00:38:50.099 --> 00:38:51.539
 but I was not that student

00:38:51.539 --> 00:38:53.500
 and I say,

00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:54.239
 I'm number one

00:38:54.239 --> 00:38:55.439
 and she said,

00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:55.559
 well,

00:38:55.599 --> 00:38:55.859
 come up,

00:38:55.919 --> 00:38:56.099
 George,

00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:56.359
 do it

00:38:56.359 --> 00:38:56.599
 and I said,

00:38:56.619 --> 00:38:56.879
 I'm sorry,

00:38:56.939 --> 00:38:57.559
 I can't do it

00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:58.919
 and there's this long,

00:38:59.199 --> 00:38:59.679
 embarrassed,

00:39:01.179 --> 00:39:02.339
 stuttering conversation

00:39:02.339 --> 00:39:03.099
 back and forth

00:39:03.099 --> 00:39:03.839
 between me and her

00:39:03.839 --> 00:39:05.079
 that lasted several minutes

00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.359
 because this wasn't something

00:39:07.359 --> 00:39:08.619
 I could just blow off.

00:39:09.319 --> 00:39:10.039
 This was something

00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:11.059
 that if I was to do it at all

00:39:11.059 --> 00:39:12.079
 would really require

00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:13.679
 hard work on my part

00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:14.980
 and I had done no work

00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:16.519
 and I couldn't just get up

00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:17.019
 and do it

00:39:17.019 --> 00:39:20.800
 and she says,

00:39:20.900 --> 00:39:20.980
 well,

00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:21.460
 George,

00:39:21.980 --> 00:39:24.599
 it wouldn't be fair

00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:25.659
 to the class

00:39:25.659 --> 00:39:28.280
 to let you go

00:39:28.280 --> 00:39:29.500
 as number 30

00:39:29.500 --> 00:39:31.639
 and move everybody else up.

00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:33.440
 That wouldn't be fair.

00:39:35.139 --> 00:39:35.420
 I mean,

00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:37.039
 it wouldn't be fair

00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:37.900
 if there's,

00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:39.500
 that for number seven

00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:40.380
 who's right now

00:39:40.380 --> 00:39:41.940
 thinking that they can do it tomorrow

00:39:41.940 --> 00:39:42.800
 that all of a sudden

00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:43.519
 just because,

00:39:43.660 --> 00:39:45.220
 just because of you

00:39:45.220 --> 00:39:45.940
 that now

00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:47.460
 they become number six,

00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:49.100
 it's not fair to number two,

00:39:49.160 --> 00:39:50.000
 it's not fair to anybody

00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.800
 and it's very uncomfortable

00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:55.140
 because I couldn't deny

00:39:55.140 --> 00:39:56.620
 that it wouldn't be fair

00:39:56.620 --> 00:40:00.380
 and then she said,

00:40:00.640 --> 00:40:00.880
 I mean,

00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:01.640
 the only thing

00:40:01.640 --> 00:40:02.500
 that could work

00:40:02.500 --> 00:40:03.240
 is if somebody

00:40:03.240 --> 00:40:04.740
 traded their spots with you

00:40:04.740 --> 00:40:07.039
 and then she said,

00:40:07.120 --> 00:40:08.019
 is there anybody here

00:40:08.019 --> 00:40:10.139
 who would trade places

00:40:10.139 --> 00:40:10.860
 with George

00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:13.759
 and there's a silence

00:40:13.759 --> 00:40:15.860
 and then Ricky

00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:17.300
 of blessed memory

00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:20.800
 possessing

00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.039
 the great number 17

00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.539
 put his hand up

00:40:25.539 --> 00:40:25.820
 and said,

00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:26.300
 I'll do it

00:40:26.300 --> 00:40:27.800
 and he got up

00:40:27.800 --> 00:40:28.320
 from his seat,

00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:29.079
 he happened to be about

00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:29.719
 a couple of seats

00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:30.239
 behind me

00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:30.840
 and to the side

00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.739
 and he got into my aisle

00:40:32.739 --> 00:40:33.300
 and he came

00:40:33.300 --> 00:40:34.579
 and he put number 17

00:40:34.579 --> 00:40:35.519
 on my spot

00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:37.239
 and literally

00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:38.480
 picked up number one

00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:39.679
 and went to the front

00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:40.500
 and did the speech.

00:40:45.739 --> 00:40:46.980
 Everything was right,

00:40:47.219 --> 00:40:48.259
 everything was fair

00:40:48.259 --> 00:40:50.619
 but it's an act of grace

00:40:50.619 --> 00:40:53.039
 that made things right

00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:54.579
 that was for me,

00:40:55.300 --> 00:40:56.159
 that was good for me

00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:59.840
 and that's

00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:01.159
 what this phrase means.

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:02.500
 Could you put up

00:41:02.500 --> 00:41:04.039
 the whole verse again,

00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:04.360
 Andrew?

00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:06.539
 The one,

00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:07.199
 let's say it together,

00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.480
 the one who knew no sin

00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:10.539
 for us,

00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:12.219
 God made sin

00:41:12.219 --> 00:41:14.000
 that we might become

00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:15.759
 the righteousness of God

00:41:15.759 --> 00:41:16.820
 in him.

00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:20.920
 That's what Jesus does for us.

00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:25.480
 That's what Jesus does for you.

00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.920
 All of those things

00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:32.420
 that are out of whack

00:41:32.420 --> 00:41:33.659
 and deserve punishment

00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:34.679
 and just not right

00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.059
 that separate us from God,

00:41:36.779 --> 00:41:38.139
 they're laid on him

00:41:38.139 --> 00:41:38.859
 by God

00:41:38.859 --> 00:41:40.239
 because he loves us

00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:41.980
 and there's this,

00:41:42.579 --> 00:41:43.719
 he can represent us,

00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:44.899
 there's this substitution,

00:41:45.359 --> 00:41:46.619
 there's this taking our place

00:41:46.619 --> 00:41:47.619
 that at the end of the day

00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:48.799
 when it's received,

00:41:49.940 --> 00:41:51.139
 makes us right.

00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:52.920
 If I had said to Ricky,

00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:53.319
 no, no, no,

00:41:53.319 --> 00:41:54.319
 I only want number 30,

00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:55.719
 I'm not taking it,

00:41:55.879 --> 00:41:56.599
 it wouldn't have worked, right?

00:41:57.699 --> 00:41:59.679
 But I gratefully received

00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:00.559
 what Rick

00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.019
 was going to do for me

00:42:02.019 --> 00:42:02.759
 and did for me

00:42:02.759 --> 00:42:04.259
 in that trade.

00:42:04.739 --> 00:42:05.619
 Can you please stand?

00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:17.320
 See,

00:42:17.420 --> 00:42:18.619
 this is the good news,

00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:19.739
 this is the gospel.

00:42:20.739 --> 00:42:21.679
 If you go back

00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:22.820
 and look at the text,

00:42:23.179 --> 00:42:23.759
 you'll see

00:42:23.759 --> 00:42:25.420
 it puts the whole text

00:42:25.420 --> 00:42:26.099
 in a very,

00:42:26.239 --> 00:42:27.259
 very different aspect,

00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:28.539
 in a different light.

00:42:28.539 --> 00:42:31.519
 when you receive this

00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:33.239
 and as it grips you

00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:34.320
 and more and more

00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:34.900
 in your life

00:42:34.900 --> 00:42:35.360
 as you have

00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:36.779
 a deeper understanding

00:42:36.779 --> 00:42:37.679
 as the gospel,

00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:38.679
 what Jesus does

00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:39.480
 for us on the cross

00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:41.039
 becomes more real to us.

00:42:42.219 --> 00:42:43.420
 When the Bible talks

00:42:43.420 --> 00:42:43.860
 at the beginning

00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:44.539
 of this text

00:42:44.539 --> 00:42:45.880
 about the fear of the Lord

00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:46.519
 leading us

00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:47.920
 to persuade others,

00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:49.279
 our natural inclination

00:42:49.279 --> 00:42:50.480
 is to manipulate people,

00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:51.420
 to coerce people,

00:42:51.460 --> 00:42:52.480
 to get what we want.

00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:53.519
 But the more

00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:54.519
 that we're gripped

00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:56.400
 with what Jesus did for us,

00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:57.039
 we realize

00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:58.460
 that we can't use coercion

00:42:58.460 --> 00:42:59.039
 with people,

00:42:59.159 --> 00:42:59.739
 that our goal

00:42:59.739 --> 00:43:00.820
 should be to persuade.

00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:02.579
 And the more

00:43:02.579 --> 00:43:03.659
 that this grips us,

00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:04.579
 that we understand

00:43:04.579 --> 00:43:05.519
 that it's not

00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.480
 that God and I

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:07.019
 are equals

00:43:07.019 --> 00:43:07.940
 and we have to figure out

00:43:07.940 --> 00:43:09.000
 how we can get along together,

00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:10.059
 but I'm dependent upon

00:43:10.059 --> 00:43:11.719
 God to reconcile me

00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:12.219
 to himself.

00:43:12.579 --> 00:43:13.420
 I'm dependent upon

00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:14.719
 God to forgive me

00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:15.719
 for what I've done wrong.

00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.480
 I'm dependent for God

00:43:17.480 --> 00:43:18.699
 to make me right

00:43:18.699 --> 00:43:19.300
 to himself.

00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:20.199
 And the more

00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:20.840
 I'm gripped

00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:21.599
 with this story,

00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:22.699
 the more I understand

00:43:22.699 --> 00:43:23.400
 that if this

00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:24.820
 is the love of God

00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:25.639
 that has made me

00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:26.539
 right with himself

00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:27.840
 at such huge cost

00:43:27.840 --> 00:43:28.380
 to himself

00:43:28.380 --> 00:43:28.960
 and the person

00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:29.519
 of his son,

00:43:29.940 --> 00:43:31.099
 then there's a type

00:43:31.099 --> 00:43:31.900
 of compelling

00:43:31.900 --> 00:43:33.239
 that I relate to others

00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:33.980
 out of love.

00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:35.360
 And if you go back

00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:35.779
 and you look at

00:43:35.779 --> 00:43:36.860
 the rest of the text

00:43:36.860 --> 00:43:37.739
 in light of all of this,

00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:38.639
 that you understand

00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:40.119
 that if this is

00:43:40.119 --> 00:43:41.519
 what's going on

00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:42.460
 and this is what

00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:43.759
 has fundamentally

00:43:43.759 --> 00:43:45.119
 with the creator

00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:46.179
 of the entire universe

00:43:46.179 --> 00:43:48.400
 and this is how

00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:49.219
 he has acted

00:43:49.219 --> 00:43:49.960
 towards me

00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:51.059
 and how he's made me

00:43:51.059 --> 00:43:51.779
 right with himself

00:43:51.779 --> 00:43:52.739
 and as I become

00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:53.500
 more gripped

00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:54.719
 by this,

00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:56.099
 then the whole

00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:57.279
 model and idea

00:43:57.279 --> 00:43:58.039
 that I might start

00:43:58.039 --> 00:43:58.839
 to live for others

00:43:58.839 --> 00:43:59.339
 in some way,

00:43:59.399 --> 00:44:00.219
 that actually starts

00:44:00.219 --> 00:44:01.219
 to become some type

00:44:01.219 --> 00:44:02.359
 of real thing.

00:44:02.459 --> 00:44:03.219
 It starts to make

00:44:03.219 --> 00:44:04.359
 sense for me.

00:44:04.699 --> 00:44:05.559
 And then the idea

00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:06.599
 that I can let

00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:07.599
 other people know

00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:08.980
 who are broken

00:44:08.980 --> 00:44:09.579
 and hurting

00:44:09.579 --> 00:44:10.500
 and need to be

00:44:10.500 --> 00:44:11.599
 reconciled to God,

00:44:11.939 --> 00:44:12.779
 the idea that I can

00:44:12.779 --> 00:44:13.699
 somehow bear witness

00:44:13.699 --> 00:44:14.319
 to Jesus,

00:44:14.439 --> 00:44:15.219
 even if I can't

00:44:15.219 --> 00:44:16.279
 explain everything,

00:44:16.399 --> 00:44:17.259
 even if you have to say,

00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:18.299
 I can't answer

00:44:18.299 --> 00:44:18.959
 all your questions

00:44:18.959 --> 00:44:19.679
 but come and speak

00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:20.519
 to Daniel Gilman

00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:21.019
 because that's where

00:44:21.019 --> 00:44:21.799
 I send everybody

00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:23.200
 because he can make

00:44:23.200 --> 00:44:23.780
 it more clear

00:44:23.780 --> 00:44:24.519
 or you go speak

00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:25.220
 to him or whatever

00:44:25.220 --> 00:44:26.720
 but the rest

00:44:26.720 --> 00:44:27.280
 of the text,

00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:28.160
 it starts to make

00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:29.200
 sense from a different

00:44:29.200 --> 00:44:29.680
 perspective,

00:44:29.820 --> 00:44:30.680
 not from the ideas

00:44:30.680 --> 00:44:31.220
 of the flesh,

00:44:31.560 --> 00:44:32.320
 not from the idea

00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:33.280
 of power politics,

00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:34.200
 not from the idea

00:44:34.200 --> 00:44:35.120
 of trying to look good

00:44:35.120 --> 00:44:36.740
 but as the gospel

00:44:36.740 --> 00:44:37.980
 becomes real to us

00:44:37.980 --> 00:44:38.940
 as we receive it,

00:44:39.140 --> 00:44:40.440
 it starts to change

00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.039
 how we live.

00:44:42.580 --> 00:44:43.580
 That's what the text

00:44:43.580 --> 00:44:44.480
 is talking about.

00:44:45.640 --> 00:44:46.720
 And so the question

00:44:46.720 --> 00:44:47.420
 is for you

00:44:47.420 --> 00:44:48.720
 and me,

00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:49.060
 I mean,

00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:50.019
 the mission statement

00:44:50.019 --> 00:44:50.500
 of the church

00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:51.539
 is making disciples

00:44:51.539 --> 00:44:52.400
 of Jesus gripped

00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:53.019
 by the gospel

00:44:53.019 --> 00:44:54.079
 living for his glory

00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:55.360
 and I'm going to pray

00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:55.800
 and I mean,

00:44:55.860 --> 00:44:56.759
 all you need to say

00:44:56.759 --> 00:44:57.719
 to God right now

00:44:57.719 --> 00:44:58.400
 if you've never said

00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.380
 to him for the first time

00:44:59.380 --> 00:45:00.559
 is God,

00:45:00.739 --> 00:45:01.699
 thank you that you

00:45:01.699 --> 00:45:02.659
 gave me 17

00:45:02.659 --> 00:45:04.679
 and you took my place.

00:45:05.460 --> 00:45:06.320
 Thank you that

00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:07.960
 in a far greater way,

00:45:08.179 --> 00:45:09.960
 Jesus is a far greater

00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.059
 Ricky for me

00:45:12.059 --> 00:45:14.400
 and Jesus,

00:45:14.619 --> 00:45:15.500
 I accept that

00:45:15.500 --> 00:45:17.599
 and please make it

00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:18.659
 real in my life

00:45:18.659 --> 00:45:20.500
 that that shapes me

00:45:20.500 --> 00:45:21.279
 and forms me.

00:45:22.259 --> 00:45:22.519
 See,

00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:23.420
 we enter into

00:45:23.420 --> 00:45:24.219
 the Christian life

00:45:24.219 --> 00:45:25.379
 allowing it to happen

00:45:25.379 --> 00:45:26.500
 and we live

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:27.519
 the Christian life

00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:29.500
 as this story grips us.

00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:30.779
 Let's bow our heads

00:45:30.779 --> 00:45:31.179
 in prayer.

00:45:34.359 --> 00:45:34.799
 Father,

00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:35.799
 I thank you

00:45:35.799 --> 00:45:36.519
 for what Ricky

00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:37.279
 did for me

00:45:37.279 --> 00:45:37.980
 way back,

00:45:38.099 --> 00:45:38.799
 many years ago.

00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:39.500
 I can't remember

00:45:39.500 --> 00:45:40.460
 if it was grade 7

00:45:40.460 --> 00:45:40.960
 or grade 8

00:45:40.960 --> 00:45:41.859
 but many years ago,

00:45:41.899 --> 00:45:42.420
 I thank you

00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:43.119
 for what Ricky

00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:43.779
 did for me

00:45:43.780 --> 00:45:44.940
 and Father,

00:45:45.060 --> 00:45:46.860
 I confess before you

00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:47.400
 that Jesus

00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:48.560
 is the true

00:45:48.560 --> 00:45:50.100
 and greater Ricky

00:45:50.100 --> 00:45:51.980
 not just for me

00:45:51.980 --> 00:45:52.820
 but for everyone

00:45:52.820 --> 00:45:53.519
 who is here

00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:54.500
 and I thank you,

00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:54.880
 Father,

00:45:54.980 --> 00:45:56.120
 that your Holy Spirit

00:45:56.120 --> 00:45:57.300
 led me to come

00:45:57.300 --> 00:45:58.960
 and accept

00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:00.760
 what Jesus did

00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:01.300
 for me

00:46:01.300 --> 00:46:03.040
 and accomplish

00:46:03.040 --> 00:46:03.720
 for me

00:46:03.720 --> 00:46:05.320
 what you accomplished

00:46:05.320 --> 00:46:05.780
 for me

00:46:05.780 --> 00:46:06.300
 in the person

00:46:06.300 --> 00:46:06.760
 of your son.

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:07.880
 I thank you,

00:46:08.060 --> 00:46:08.240
 Father,

00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:09.400
 that your Holy Spirit

00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:10.320
 brought that home

00:46:10.320 --> 00:46:10.680
 to me

00:46:10.680 --> 00:46:11.500
 and I said yes

00:46:11.500 --> 00:46:13.360
 and I ask,

00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:13.739
 Father,

00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:14.360
 that if there are

00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:14.800
 any here

00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:15.719
 who have not yet

00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:17.320
 or even now

00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:18.460
 just allowing that

00:46:18.460 --> 00:46:19.019
 to happen

00:46:19.019 --> 00:46:20.139
 that your Holy Spirit

00:46:20.139 --> 00:46:20.880
 would move deeply

00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:21.639
 in their lives

00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:24.860
 as that wonderful

00:46:24.860 --> 00:46:25.659
 transaction

00:46:25.659 --> 00:46:26.739
 is taking place

00:46:26.739 --> 00:46:27.440
 and Father,

00:46:27.440 --> 00:46:28.539
 for myself

00:46:28.539 --> 00:46:29.340
 and for all

00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:30.099
 who are followers

00:46:30.099 --> 00:46:30.739
 of Jesus,

00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:33.219
 may this knowledge

00:46:33.219 --> 00:46:34.239
 of what your son

00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:34.780
 did for us

00:46:34.780 --> 00:46:35.380
 on the cross,

00:46:36.300 --> 00:46:37.460
 may it grip us,

00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:39.139
 may it grip us

00:46:39.139 --> 00:46:39.820
 more and more,

00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:41.420
 may it be

00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:42.139
 the ground

00:46:42.139 --> 00:46:43.420
 upon which we stand,

00:46:43.900 --> 00:46:45.200
 the roof over our head,

00:46:45.720 --> 00:46:47.159
 the air by which we breathe,

00:46:47.740 --> 00:46:48.619
 the lens through which

00:46:48.619 --> 00:46:49.539
 we see ourselves

00:46:49.539 --> 00:46:50.960
 and the lens through which

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:51.720
 we see the world

00:46:51.720 --> 00:46:52.920
 and this we ask

00:46:52.920 --> 00:46:53.920
 in Jesus' name.

00:46:54.400 --> 00:46:54.680
 Amen.