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 Well, we are continuing on in our series of remarkable women you should know and love.

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 So, and this morning, we're going to hit a different period, a little bit earlier from last time.

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 So, she described herself as a splinter from the rib of that blessed man, Matthew Sell.

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 There is Matthew Sell.

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 This is the one-time pastor of the cathedral in Strasbourg.

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 He referred to her as mein Hilfe, or my helper, or from the old king, my strong warrior.

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 The first help that she gave him was when he was under excommunication by the bishop for having married her.

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 Opponents of the Reformation, seeking to discredit Sell,

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 they had circulated the tale that she had caught her husband cavorting with the maid,

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 and that when she confronted him, he beat her black and blue.

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 These were hardy days of lampoon.

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 To lay to rest this dastardly effort to wreck her husband's reputation,

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 Catherine published a refutation.

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 First off, let me clarify, I have never, ever had a maid, she writes.

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 And as for thrashing me, my husband and I have never had an unpleasant 15 minutes.

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 We could have no greater honor than to die rejected of men from two crosses

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 to speak to each other words of comfort.

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 Well, in addition to flouting the fable of her husband's infidelity,

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 Catherine continued with a very spirited defense of clerical marriage,

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 that it is actually legitimate for pastors to marry,

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 because in the Roman Catholic tradition, this was forbidden.

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 And it was a timely task for that year, 1523,

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 seven priests in Strasbourg, including her husband,

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 were excommunicated for having married.

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 So at this time, Reformation teaching was getting out,

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 and among the tenants was, well, you know, there's no real biblical basis

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 for pastors not being able to marry.

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 So it's our freedom, so let's go ahead and do this.

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 The tradition was otherwise.

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 No, no, no, no, you can't marry.

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 But a priest taking a mistress was winked at,

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 indeed provided a good source of income for the bishop,

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 who would levy a fine for the favor.

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 But as to marriage, that's impermissible.

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 So you kind of see the way the arrangement was.

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 Okay, you can't be expected to kind of go without,

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 so we'll just charge you as a priest.

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 Can't marry, but you can pay a fine

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 for your indiscretions on the side here.

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 And you can make a lot of money that way, as you would think.

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 Well, the man who had taken the lead in this matter

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 was Martin Busser,

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 who married the erstwhile nun,

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 Elizabeth Silberstein,

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 cast out on every quarter

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 for this daring and denounced deed,

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 it was Matthew Tsel who took them in.

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 Busser, Martin Busser, was bullish on marriage

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 and tried to convince all of his reformer friends

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 to follow his lead,

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 including his host, Matthew Tsel.

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 Accordingly, he directed letters

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 to eligible lady candidates,

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 trying to see who might step up

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 and marry these pastors.

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 To the noble and honorable Christian lady,

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 Ottilie von Hohenheim of Basel.

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 He begins by reassuring her

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 that the men he has on offer

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 are not looking for a wife

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 simply to gratify their passions.

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 No, they are all capable of continence,

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 but rather are acting to render

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 the marriage of ministers reputable.

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 He then flatters Ottilie by informing her

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 that of all the women he has taken

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 into review for the task,

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 none has outscored her for suitability.

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 He writes,

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 your deportment hitherto has been exemplary.

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 Then came the final stirring appeal.

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 Will you crown your witness

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 by assuming a reviled and crucified marriage?

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 I beseech you in the name of Christ,

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 crucified and accursed.

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 But alas, Ottilie did not feel

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 that this was her cross to bear,

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 so Busser had to look further.

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 It would be,

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 if you did marry a priest at the time,

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 you would probably be shunned in society

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 because this was such a rare thing to do

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 at that time.

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 But before long,

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 Matthäus Tsel, Matthew Tsel,

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 was standing at the altar,

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 yet alas, only officiating

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 for his minister friend Anton Fion.

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 Now a priest marrying was still

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 the cutting edge of novelty in Strasbourg.

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 So Tsel had to be very careful

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 at one point in the service.

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 You've probably guessed what it is.

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 If any know any just cause

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 why these two may not lawfully be joined together,

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 let him speak now or forever hold his peace.

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 So,

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 hitherto it has been the custom,

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 said Tsel,

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 for the minister to ask this question.

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 This is a wholesome practice,

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 but there are those who come forward

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 with very unjust causes,

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 claiming that priests should not marry.

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 Tsel commended the couple's step,

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 predicting that more and more brothers,

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 God willing,

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 will follow your example.

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 Well, as it turned out,

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 the next brother to follow Fiern's example

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 was Matthäus Tsel himself,

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 taking up his own exhortation

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 and taking the hand of Katharina Schutz.

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 Martin Busser,

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 with no small relish,

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 brought the number of married ministers

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 up to four by solemnizing the union.

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 And Martin Luther sent out to the bride

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 a letter of congratulation.

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 Catherine was 25,

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 and Matthew, Matthäus Tsel,

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 was 20 years older than that.

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 There he is,

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 about that age.

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 Well,

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 Luther's letter of connubial congrats

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 was not the first

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 that he had written to Catherine.

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 Like Luther,

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 Catherine had suffered

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 dire anguish of spirit,

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 struggling after an ever-elusive forgiveness

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 and a sense of acceptance before God.

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 And it was a gospel track

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 of Martin Luther's

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 which had delivered her

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 from her slough of despond.

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 And again,

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 like Luther,

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 Katharina constantly battled

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 with a proclivity

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 to depression of spirit

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 and was rocked

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 by recurrent wrestlings

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 with doubt.

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 Doubt of God's love

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 and his forgiveness of her.

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 She was prone

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 to think that her childlessness,

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 the cells lost

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 two infants,

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 as a mark of defined

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 displeasure over her sins.

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 Many notions

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 that had just been

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 so customary

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 and superstitious

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 just continued on,

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 had a long afterlife,

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 even after you have

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 good biblical teaching.

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 It takes us a while

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 to shake off

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 a lot of our superstitions.

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 But

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 all of these struggles

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 of spirit

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 certainly did not

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 render her inactive.

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 Indeed,

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 one wonders

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 when she would have had

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 any time

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 for doler

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 or doldrums

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 as her days

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 and nights

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 seemed not merely laced

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 but larded

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 with acts

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 of mercy

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 and kindness.

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 It's often a good way

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 to get over

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 your depression

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 or your sense

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 of discouragement

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 is this thing.

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 Well, let me help

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 some people

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 whose lot might be

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 even a little worse

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 than mine

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 and then you forget

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 you could forget

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 some of your own

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 difficulties.

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 Well,

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 she definitely had

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 the gifts of helps

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 and hospitality.

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 The edict

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 of Worms

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 against Luther

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 and his followers.

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 Remember,

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 that's where Luther

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 made that celebrated

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 statement.

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 Here I stand.

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 I can do no other.

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 I need to go

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 by my conscience

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 well.

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 And then

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 the emperor,

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 Charles V,

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 declared Luther

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 and all his followers

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 illegal,

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 religiously illegal

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 so that any

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 of their followers

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 he could be killed

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 as a just act

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 of legality

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 at that time.

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 That's why

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 he had to go

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 into hiding

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 and it ran

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 into difficulty

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 for any sort

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 of Lutheran

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 followers.

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 So,

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 that edict

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 of Worms

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 against Luther

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 and his followers

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 sent many a pastor

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 into hiding

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 or exile.

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 A hundred

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 and fifty

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 of the men

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 of the town

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 of Kensington

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 accompanied

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 their pastor

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 for several miles

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 to see him

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 off into some

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 sort of hiding

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 place,

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 trying to protect

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 him against

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 the Austrian

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 troops that were

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 coming in

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 to just kill

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 these pastors.

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 So,

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 they're accompanying

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 him for several

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 miles to see

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 him off,

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 only to discover

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 when they tried

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 to come back

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 into their

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 town that the

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 Austrian soldiers

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 had closed the

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 gates against

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 them.

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 One of their

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 number was caught

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 and executed

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 there and then,

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 prompting the

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 others to flee

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 for their lives,

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 leaving their

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 wives in the

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 town.

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 They fled to

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 Strasbourg,

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 Strasbourg,

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 and there,

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 Catherine put

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 up eighty

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 of them herself

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 in her own

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 home,

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 feeding sixty

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 men for

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 three weeks.

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 Quite a

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 remarkable

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 achievement.

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 A veritable

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 hotel manager

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 and short

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 order chef

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 all rolled

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 into one.

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 And in the

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 midst of all

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 this,

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 including finding

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 and organizing

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 provision for

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 the others

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 elsewhere in

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 the city

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 of Strasbourg,

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 she managed

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 to write

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 a letter

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 to the

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 wives left

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 back in

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 Kensington,

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 which proved

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 so mightily

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 consoling that

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 it was

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 published.

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 Here it is,

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 the suffering

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 of believing

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 Christian wives

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 from the town

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 of Kensington

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 with

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 sisterly,

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 with your

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 sister in

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 Christ,

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 always at

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 your service,

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 Catherine

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 Schutz,

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 that was

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 her maiden

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 name.

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 She writes,

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 to my

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 fellow sisters

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 in Christ,

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 day and

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 night I

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 pray God

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 that he

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 may increase

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 your faith

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 and that you

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 forget not

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 his invincible

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 word,

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 my thoughts

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 are not your

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 thoughts,

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 saith the

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 Lord.

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 The Lord

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 would wean

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 you from

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 this world

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 that you

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 may rely

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 solely upon

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 him.

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 Faith is

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 not a

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 faith which

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 is not

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 tried.

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 And on

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 it goes

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 from

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 scripture

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 to

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 scripture

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 fostering

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 faith and

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 hope in

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 their sore

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 trials.

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 Wonderful,

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 wonderful

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 piece.

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 I'm not

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 aware that

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 it's in

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 English,

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 but it's

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 a wonderful

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 piece published

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 there.

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 another

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 challenge to

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 Catherine's

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 skills of

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 hospitality,

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 mercy,

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 and

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 administration

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 came when

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 the

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 peasants'

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 war of

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 1525

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 broke out.

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 There was

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 a kind of

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 a peasants'

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 rebellion and

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 they were

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 largely

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 slaughtered.

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 And

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 thousands

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 upon

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 thousands

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 were

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 massacred

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 in a

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 gruesome

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 bloodbath.

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 And the

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 widowed and

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 the wounded,

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 the mangled

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 and the

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 maimed who

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 survived of

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 the peasantry

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 flocked to

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 Strasbourg.

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 Strasbourg was

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 a city in

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 Europe that

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 had a

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 reputation of

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 being very

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 welcoming of

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 the afflicted,

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 that wonderful

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 Christian

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 reputation.

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 So they're

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 flocking to

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 Strasbourg to

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 the tune of

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 3,000 refugees

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 coming in,

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 all desperate

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 for care.

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 That would

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 have been,

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 just to give

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 you a sense

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 of the

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 numbers,

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 that would

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 have been

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 a ratio

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 of one

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 refugee for

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 every eight

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 inhabitants of

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 the city of

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 Strasbourg.

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 So it's a

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 pretty remarkable

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 challenge.

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 So Catherine

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 Zell was

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 one of the

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 two given

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 charge of

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 this challenge.

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 So she

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 had to

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 organize the

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 lodging,

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 requisitioning a

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 large Franciscan

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 church for

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 starters,

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 and then

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 spreading the

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 rest throughout

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 the city in

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 private quarters,

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 and then

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 food.

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 She had to

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 feed them

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 all.

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 So just

00:13:38.300 --> 00:13:38.700
 call her

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 Catherine the

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 Catering Queen.

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 And this

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 crisis lasted

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 for a half

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 a year

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 before the

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 war subsided

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 and the

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 refugees were

00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:49.320
 able to

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 return to

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 their farms.

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 So I

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 speculate that

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 it was during

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 this period

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 that Catherine

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 acquired a

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 certain

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 executive

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 tone.

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 She is

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 a trifle

00:14:01.179 --> 00:14:02.219
 imperious,

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 Busser once

00:14:03.859 --> 00:14:04.879
 remarked of

00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:05.259
 Catherine.

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 Well,

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 compared to

00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:08.639
 these feats,

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 it must have

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 been child's

00:14:09.939 --> 00:14:10.539
 play to

00:14:10.539 --> 00:14:11.759
 host Zwingli

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 of Zurich and

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 Uckelampadius of

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 Basel on their

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 way to meet

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 Luther and

00:14:15.779 --> 00:14:16.500
 Melanchthon for

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 their colloquy

00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:18.219
 of Marburg.

00:14:19.279 --> 00:14:20.419
 For 14

00:14:20.419 --> 00:14:21.479
 days, I was

00:14:21.479 --> 00:14:22.339
 their cook and

00:14:22.339 --> 00:14:23.079
 maid, writes

00:14:23.079 --> 00:14:23.519
 Catherine.

00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:25.259
 No doubt she

00:14:25.259 --> 00:14:26.039
 was hoping for

00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:27.339
 reproachment

00:14:27.339 --> 00:14:28.339
 between the

00:14:28.339 --> 00:14:28.759
 Reformation

00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:29.699
 leaders and

00:14:29.699 --> 00:14:30.279
 when news

00:14:30.279 --> 00:14:31.199
 came back to

00:14:31.199 --> 00:14:32.419
 Strasbourg that

00:14:32.419 --> 00:14:33.099
 Luther had

00:14:33.099 --> 00:14:34.439
 declined to

00:14:34.439 --> 00:14:35.219
 unite.

00:14:36.079 --> 00:14:36.759
 You remember

00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:37.740
 at the

00:14:37.740 --> 00:14:38.360
 colloquy of

00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:38.959
 Marburg,

00:14:40.099 --> 00:14:41.399
 Zwingli and

00:14:41.399 --> 00:14:43.360
 Luther produced

00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:44.939
 an agreement

00:14:44.939 --> 00:14:47.799
 on 28 of

00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:49.599
 29 tenants of

00:14:49.599 --> 00:14:50.219
 their faith and

00:14:50.219 --> 00:14:50.919
 the one thing

00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:51.379
 that they didn't

00:14:51.379 --> 00:14:52.719
 agree on was

00:14:52.719 --> 00:14:53.699
 their understanding

00:14:53.699 --> 00:14:54.679
 of the Lord's

00:14:54.679 --> 00:14:55.019
 Supper.

00:14:55.019 --> 00:14:56.279
 Zwingli took a

00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:57.299
 symbolic view

00:14:57.299 --> 00:14:59.240
 and Luther

00:14:59.240 --> 00:14:59.899
 took a

00:14:59.899 --> 00:15:01.679
 realist view.

00:15:02.179 --> 00:15:03.139
 So when

00:15:03.139 --> 00:15:04.199
 Zwingli offered

00:15:04.199 --> 00:15:05.899
 Luther his

00:15:05.899 --> 00:15:06.699
 hand at the

00:15:06.699 --> 00:15:07.240
 end of

00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:07.600
 Christian

00:15:07.600 --> 00:15:08.399
 companionship,

00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:09.379
 Luther wouldn't

00:15:09.379 --> 00:15:10.139
 take it.

00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:15.220
 So Catherine

00:15:15.220 --> 00:15:16.799
 darted off a

00:15:16.799 --> 00:15:17.799
 chiding letter

00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:18.679
 to the great

00:15:18.679 --> 00:15:19.299
 theologian,

00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:20.460
 pleading that

00:15:20.460 --> 00:15:21.539
 love ought to

00:15:21.539 --> 00:15:22.579
 be above all

00:15:22.579 --> 00:15:23.039
 else.

00:15:23.039 --> 00:15:24.659
 She got a

00:15:24.659 --> 00:15:25.599
 swift response.

00:15:26.079 --> 00:15:27.139
 Yes, wrote

00:15:27.139 --> 00:15:28.259
 Luther, except

00:15:28.259 --> 00:15:29.079
 where God's

00:15:29.079 --> 00:15:29.799
 word is at

00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:30.199
 stake.

00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:33.139
 Catherine and

00:15:33.139 --> 00:15:33.579
 her husband

00:15:33.579 --> 00:15:34.599
 were not

00:15:34.599 --> 00:15:35.439
 always the

00:15:35.439 --> 00:15:36.219
 hosts, for

00:15:36.219 --> 00:15:36.639
 they also

00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:37.419
 traveled a

00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:37.759
 good bit

00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:38.179
 together.

00:15:38.959 --> 00:15:39.839
 They did

00:15:39.839 --> 00:15:40.860
 so together

00:15:40.860 --> 00:15:41.659
 to Switzerland,

00:15:42.339 --> 00:15:42.919
 Constance,

00:15:43.219 --> 00:15:43.839
 Swabia,

00:15:44.319 --> 00:15:44.839
 Nuremberg,

00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:45.579
 the Palatinate,

00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:46.599
 and even

00:15:46.599 --> 00:15:47.659
 once the

00:15:47.659 --> 00:15:48.579
 600-mile

00:15:48.579 --> 00:15:49.439
 journey to

00:15:49.439 --> 00:15:50.959
 Wittenberg to

00:15:50.959 --> 00:15:51.719
 visit Luther and

00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:52.220
 Melanchthon.

00:15:53.060 --> 00:15:53.480
 Now the

00:15:53.480 --> 00:15:54.860
 cells, Matthew

00:15:54.860 --> 00:15:55.320
 and Catherine,

00:15:56.420 --> 00:15:57.840
 were wider in

00:15:57.840 --> 00:15:58.639
 their friendship

00:15:58.639 --> 00:15:59.540
 and fellowship

00:15:59.540 --> 00:16:00.519
 than Luther.

00:16:01.540 --> 00:16:02.940
 Theirs was a

00:16:02.940 --> 00:16:04.259
 refreshing breeze

00:16:04.259 --> 00:16:05.060
 in an age of

00:16:05.060 --> 00:16:06.580
 pretty stormy

00:16:06.580 --> 00:16:07.420
 animosities.

00:16:09.180 --> 00:16:10.279
 Anyone who

00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:11.040
 acknowledges

00:16:11.040 --> 00:16:12.779
 Christ as the

00:16:12.779 --> 00:16:13.460
 true son of

00:16:13.460 --> 00:16:14.160
 God and the

00:16:14.160 --> 00:16:15.060
 sole savior of

00:16:15.060 --> 00:16:16.200
 mankind is

00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:17.060
 welcome at our

00:16:17.060 --> 00:16:18.160
 table, said

00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:18.639
 her husband,

00:16:18.800 --> 00:16:19.100
 Matthew.

00:16:19.100 --> 00:16:20.600
 And it is

00:16:20.600 --> 00:16:21.180
 clear that

00:16:21.180 --> 00:16:22.060
 Catherine had

00:16:22.060 --> 00:16:22.540
 an equally

00:16:22.540 --> 00:16:23.259
 hospitable

00:16:23.259 --> 00:16:23.740
 soul.

00:16:24.519 --> 00:16:25.279
 Even when she

00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:25.980
 didn't see eye

00:16:25.980 --> 00:16:26.279
 to eye

00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:27.220
 theologically with

00:16:27.220 --> 00:16:28.259
 another, this

00:16:28.259 --> 00:16:29.360
 was to her

00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.279
 no disqualifier

00:16:31.279 --> 00:16:32.100
 for showing

00:16:32.100 --> 00:16:32.820
 them charity

00:16:32.820 --> 00:16:33.940
 and kindness.

00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:38.259
 This is

00:16:38.259 --> 00:16:39.159
 Melchior

00:16:39.159 --> 00:16:40.019
 Hoffman

00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:41.800
 there, who

00:16:41.800 --> 00:16:42.420
 is kind of a

00:16:42.420 --> 00:16:43.460
 fringe figure,

00:16:43.460 --> 00:16:47.300
 and indeed

00:16:47.300 --> 00:16:47.960
 neither this

00:16:47.960 --> 00:16:49.420
 radical fringe

00:16:49.420 --> 00:16:51.139
 figure of

00:16:51.139 --> 00:16:51.500
 Melchior

00:16:51.500 --> 00:16:51.920
 Hoffman.

00:16:52.139 --> 00:16:52.879
 When he was

00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:53.720
 imprisoned in

00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.620
 Strasbourg, it

00:16:55.620 --> 00:16:56.320
 was Catherine

00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:57.240
 who visited

00:16:57.240 --> 00:16:58.139
 him and

00:16:58.139 --> 00:16:58.580
 showed him

00:16:58.580 --> 00:16:59.139
 kindness,

00:16:59.700 --> 00:17:01.040
 never neglecting

00:17:01.040 --> 00:17:01.720
 neighborliness

00:17:01.720 --> 00:17:03.440
 despite doctrinal

00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:04.200
 disagreements.

00:17:04.840 --> 00:17:05.200
 Melchior

00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:06.180
 Hoffman had

00:17:06.180 --> 00:17:06.500
 come to

00:17:06.500 --> 00:17:06.960
 Strasbourg

00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:07.559
 because of a

00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:08.900
 prophecy that

00:17:08.900 --> 00:17:09.880
 he would be

00:17:09.880 --> 00:17:10.840
 imprisoned there

00:17:10.840 --> 00:17:11.920
 for six months

00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:13.700
 and then at

00:17:13.700 --> 00:17:14.300
 the coming of

00:17:14.300 --> 00:17:15.700
 the Lord would

00:17:15.700 --> 00:17:16.580
 lead the

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 144,000 saints

00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:19.840
 in a slaughter

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 of the ungodly.

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 So a fringe

00:17:22.500 --> 00:17:22.840
 figure.

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 Only the first

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 part of that

00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:26.940
 prophecy came

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 true.

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 He was indeed

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 imprisoned in

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 Strasbourg and

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 that was only

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 partially fulfilled

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 for he languished

00:17:33.140 --> 00:17:33.740
 in prison there

00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:34.539
 not for six

00:17:34.539 --> 00:17:35.640
 months but for

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 ten years

00:17:36.320 --> 00:17:37.360
 until his

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 death.

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 But we

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 find

00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:42.080
 recurring

00:17:42.080 --> 00:17:42.840
 again and

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 again in

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 the council

00:17:43.819 --> 00:17:44.640
 records this

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 entry in

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 their book.

00:17:46.799 --> 00:17:47.140
 Mrs.

00:17:47.279 --> 00:17:48.319
 Zell granted

00:17:48.319 --> 00:17:49.660
 permission to

00:17:49.660 --> 00:17:50.680
 visit a poor

00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:51.700
 prisoner under

00:17:51.700 --> 00:17:52.380
 sentence of

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 death.

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 No one

00:17:57.100 --> 00:17:57.920
 else visited

00:17:57.920 --> 00:17:58.120
 him.

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 In 1548

00:18:01.100 --> 00:18:01.940
 her faithful

00:18:01.940 --> 00:18:02.519
 friend and

00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:03.200
 companion of

00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:04.059
 25 years,

00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:04.620
 her husband,

00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:05.860
 whom she had

00:18:05.860 --> 00:18:06.360
 helped so

00:18:06.360 --> 00:18:07.380
 well, bid

00:18:07.380 --> 00:18:08.180
 her a final

00:18:08.180 --> 00:18:08.740
 farewell.

00:18:09.680 --> 00:18:10.120
 After

00:18:10.119 --> 00:18:10.539
 Gusser

00:18:10.539 --> 00:18:11.459
 delivered the

00:18:11.459 --> 00:18:11.819
 eulogy,

00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:12.719
 Catherine

00:18:12.719 --> 00:18:13.399
 delivered an

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 address.

00:18:15.399 --> 00:18:15.679
 Women

00:18:15.679 --> 00:18:16.479
 in that

00:18:16.479 --> 00:18:17.439
 day and

00:18:17.439 --> 00:18:18.059
 the incident

00:18:18.059 --> 00:18:19.219
 incited the

00:18:19.219 --> 00:18:20.079
 allegation that

00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:21.019
 she aspired to

00:18:21.019 --> 00:18:21.459
 a preaching

00:18:21.459 --> 00:18:22.219
 post in the

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 city.

00:18:23.919 --> 00:18:24.539
 Dr.

00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:25.399
 Katarina,

00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:27.019
 some dubbed

00:18:27.019 --> 00:18:28.259
 her disapprovingly.

00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:30.259
 Well, she

00:18:30.259 --> 00:18:30.939
 fired back,

00:18:31.579 --> 00:18:32.179
 I am not

00:18:32.179 --> 00:18:32.959
 usurping the

00:18:32.959 --> 00:18:33.599
 office of a

00:18:33.599 --> 00:18:34.279
 preacher or an

00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:35.219
 apostle, she

00:18:35.219 --> 00:18:35.639
 insisted.

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 I am like

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 the dear

00:18:37.460 --> 00:18:38.320
 Mary Magdalene

00:18:38.320 --> 00:18:41.100
 who has

00:18:41.100 --> 00:18:42.220
 not thought

00:18:42.220 --> 00:18:42.660
 of being an

00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:43.060
 apostle,

00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:44.980
 who without,

00:18:45.340 --> 00:18:45.920
 sorry, who

00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:46.420
 with no

00:18:46.420 --> 00:18:46.980
 thought of

00:18:46.980 --> 00:18:47.340
 being an

00:18:47.340 --> 00:18:47.759
 apostle,

00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:48.840
 came to

00:18:48.840 --> 00:18:49.240
 tell the

00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:50.120
 disciples that

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 she had

00:18:50.420 --> 00:18:50.860
 encountered

00:18:50.860 --> 00:18:51.280
 the risen

00:18:51.280 --> 00:18:51.640
 Lord.

00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:54.000
 Catherine

00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:54.400
 made it

00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:55.560
 through the

00:18:55.560 --> 00:18:56.040
 immediate

00:18:56.040 --> 00:18:56.820
 aftermath of

00:18:56.820 --> 00:18:57.300
 her husband's

00:18:57.300 --> 00:18:58.220
 death, but

00:18:58.220 --> 00:18:58.759
 shortly

00:18:58.759 --> 00:18:59.540
 thereafter she

00:18:59.540 --> 00:19:00.120
 collapsed.

00:19:00.940 --> 00:19:01.380
 Her friends

00:19:01.380 --> 00:19:02.160
 persuaded her to

00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:02.780
 take a break,

00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:03.900
 to get away from

00:19:03.900 --> 00:19:05.720
 Strasbourg and

00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:06.960
 for some rest

00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:08.019
 and restoration

00:19:08.019 --> 00:19:09.900
 and Basel was

00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:10.620
 suggested.

00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:11.980
 And Busser

00:19:11.980 --> 00:19:13.420
 knew a

00:19:13.420 --> 00:19:14.860
 pastor there,

00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:15.920
 Oswald

00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:17.019
 Myconius,

00:19:17.320 --> 00:19:18.400
 and wrote to

00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:19.060
 him to receive

00:19:19.060 --> 00:19:19.240
 her.

00:19:19.380 --> 00:19:20.000
 Here is,

00:19:20.700 --> 00:19:21.700
 there's Oswald

00:19:21.700 --> 00:19:23.440
 Myconius there.

00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.180
 So Busser

00:19:30.180 --> 00:19:30.860
 writes to

00:19:30.860 --> 00:19:31.340
 him, his

00:19:31.340 --> 00:19:31.860
 reforming

00:19:31.860 --> 00:19:32.540
 pastor friend,

00:19:32.539 --> 00:19:33.740
 the widow

00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:34.539
 of our

00:19:34.539 --> 00:19:35.680
 wonderful

00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:36.960
 cell, a

00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:37.720
 godly and

00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:38.440
 saintly woman

00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:39.059
 comes to

00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:39.940
 you that

00:19:39.940 --> 00:19:41.440
 perchance she

00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:42.319
 may find some

00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:43.180
 solace for her

00:19:43.180 --> 00:19:43.539
 grief.

00:19:44.420 --> 00:19:45.299
 She is human,

00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:46.599
 I suppose with

00:19:46.599 --> 00:19:47.799
 her achievements

00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:48.440
 some doubted

00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:48.700
 this.

00:19:50.359 --> 00:19:51.599
 How does the

00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:52.319
 heavenly father

00:19:52.319 --> 00:19:53.180
 humble those

00:19:53.180 --> 00:19:53.960
 endowed with

00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:54.639
 the greatest of

00:19:54.639 --> 00:19:54.920
 gifts?

00:19:55.579 --> 00:19:56.240
 Her zeal is

00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:57.119
 incredible for

00:19:57.119 --> 00:19:58.200
 Christ's lowliest

00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.019
 and afflicted.

00:20:00.059 --> 00:20:00.859
 She knows

00:20:00.859 --> 00:20:01.879
 and searches

00:20:01.879 --> 00:20:02.799
 the mysteries

00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:03.479
 of Christ.

00:20:04.439 --> 00:20:04.939
 Comfort her

00:20:04.939 --> 00:20:06.199
 patiently for

00:20:06.199 --> 00:20:06.659
 the love of

00:20:06.659 --> 00:20:07.179
 her husband,

00:20:07.519 --> 00:20:08.339
 a sincere and

00:20:08.339 --> 00:20:09.039
 faithful servant

00:20:09.039 --> 00:20:09.639
 of Christ.

00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:12.519
 From Basel,

00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:13.599
 Katharina went

00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:15.279
 to Zurich for

00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:16.579
 a visit in the

00:20:16.579 --> 00:20:17.240
 home of the

00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:18.240
 eminent Hebraist

00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:19.359
 Conrad Pelican.

00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:21.079
 There is

00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:22.799
 Conrad Pelican.

00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:27.960
 Her thank you

00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:28.559
 note after

00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:29.019
 staying with

00:20:29.019 --> 00:20:29.379
 Pelican,

00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:30.180
 with the

00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:30.559
 Pelicans,

00:20:30.740 --> 00:20:31.180
 along with a

00:20:31.180 --> 00:20:31.720
 very nice

00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:32.079
 gift.

00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:33.899
 I am sending

00:20:33.899 --> 00:20:35.099
 your wife and

00:20:35.099 --> 00:20:36.079
 your daughter-in-law

00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:37.019
 each a pound of

00:20:37.019 --> 00:20:38.039
 flax for spinning

00:20:38.039 --> 00:20:38.720
 shawls.

00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:40.419
 Reported

00:20:40.419 --> 00:20:41.960
 the,

00:20:42.740 --> 00:20:44.319
 her concern

00:20:44.319 --> 00:20:44.819
 with the

00:20:44.819 --> 00:20:45.539
 introduction of

00:20:45.539 --> 00:20:46.339
 the interim

00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:47.819
 compromise into

00:20:47.819 --> 00:20:48.559
 Strasbourg.

00:20:49.139 --> 00:20:49.960
 So as battle

00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:50.539
 between the

00:20:50.539 --> 00:20:51.259
 Protestants,

00:20:51.259 --> 00:20:52.079
 literal,

00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:53.299
 literal warfare

00:20:53.299 --> 00:20:54.440
 between the

00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:55.119
 Protestants and

00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:55.759
 the Catholics

00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:56.819
 kept unfolding

00:20:56.819 --> 00:20:57.640
 across Europe.

00:20:58.019 --> 00:20:58.619
 The upper hand

00:20:58.619 --> 00:20:59.039
 went to the

00:20:59.039 --> 00:20:59.839
 Catholics at this

00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:01.240
 time and

00:21:01.240 --> 00:21:03.480
 they imposed

00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:05.160
 an interim

00:21:05.160 --> 00:21:06.579
 compromise

00:21:06.579 --> 00:21:07.680
 into Strasbourg.

00:21:09.619 --> 00:21:11.160
 We do not

00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:12.099
 know what

00:21:12.099 --> 00:21:12.900
 is in store

00:21:12.900 --> 00:21:14.019
 for us in

00:21:14.019 --> 00:21:14.619
 Strasbourg.

00:21:15.700 --> 00:21:16.660
 She was

00:21:16.660 --> 00:21:17.019
 relieved,

00:21:17.180 --> 00:21:17.379
 however,

00:21:17.779 --> 00:21:18.319
 that she was

00:21:18.319 --> 00:21:18.960
 not evicted

00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:19.859
 from her home,

00:21:20.339 --> 00:21:21.059
 but if it

00:21:21.059 --> 00:21:21.700
 would be so,

00:21:21.919 --> 00:21:22.299
 she had

00:21:22.299 --> 00:21:22.839
 another dwelling

00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:23.319
 place.

00:21:24.399 --> 00:21:24.960
 She writes,

00:21:25.039 --> 00:21:25.419
 I have been

00:21:25.419 --> 00:21:26.539
 allowed to

00:21:26.539 --> 00:21:26.919
 keep the

00:21:26.919 --> 00:21:27.500
 parsonage.

00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:28.599
 I take

00:21:28.599 --> 00:21:29.119
 anyone who

00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:29.559
 comes,

00:21:29.919 --> 00:21:30.539
 it is always

00:21:30.539 --> 00:21:30.879
 full.

00:21:31.879 --> 00:21:32.359
 I don't

00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:32.700
 know how

00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:33.099
 long I

00:21:33.099 --> 00:21:33.519
 can keep

00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:33.679
 it.

00:21:34.339 --> 00:21:34.899
 One thing

00:21:34.899 --> 00:21:35.159
 have I

00:21:35.159 --> 00:21:35.799
 desired of

00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:36.159
 the Lord,

00:21:36.480 --> 00:21:36.980
 that will

00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:37.379
 I seek

00:21:37.379 --> 00:21:37.720
 after,

00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:38.359
 that I

00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:38.819
 may dwell

00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:39.079
 in the

00:21:39.079 --> 00:21:39.399
 house of

00:21:39.399 --> 00:21:39.740
 the Lord,

00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:40.599
 to behold

00:21:40.599 --> 00:21:41.119
 my noble

00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:42.039
 husband and

00:21:42.039 --> 00:21:42.519
 all the

00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:43.139
 saints in

00:21:43.139 --> 00:21:43.460
 the vision

00:21:43.460 --> 00:21:43.879
 of God

00:21:43.879 --> 00:21:44.440
 and Christ.

00:21:45.440 --> 00:21:45.799
 Well,

00:21:45.879 --> 00:21:46.079
 this

00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:46.839
 Catholic

00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:47.379
 enforced

00:21:47.379 --> 00:21:47.759
 interim,

00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:48.159
 which

00:21:48.159 --> 00:21:48.700
 concerned

00:21:48.700 --> 00:21:49.139
 Catherine,

00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:49.779
 meant

00:21:49.779 --> 00:21:50.980
 exile for

00:21:50.980 --> 00:21:51.799
 two of

00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:52.740
 Strasbourg's

00:21:52.740 --> 00:21:53.200
 eminent

00:21:53.200 --> 00:21:53.740
 ministers,

00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.259
 Busser and

00:21:55.259 --> 00:21:56.139
 Faggius,

00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:56.879
 and actually

00:21:56.879 --> 00:21:57.319
 there were

00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:57.619
 three,

00:21:57.759 --> 00:21:58.420
 also Vermilli,

00:21:58.799 --> 00:21:59.200
 Peter Martyr

00:21:59.200 --> 00:21:59.519
 Vermilli.

00:22:00.420 --> 00:22:01.240
 They were

00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:02.639
 determined to

00:22:02.639 --> 00:22:03.759
 immigrate to

00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:04.200
 England,

00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:06.139
 but couldn't

00:22:06.139 --> 00:22:07.220
 quite pack up

00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:08.420
 all the kids

00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:09.660
 and the crates

00:22:09.660 --> 00:22:10.799
 in the time

00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:11.220
 that they were

00:22:11.220 --> 00:22:11.700
 allotted.

00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:12.220
 They had a

00:22:12.220 --> 00:22:13.039
 very specific

00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:13.859
 time allotted

00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:14.519
 that they were

00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:15.639
 allowed to get

00:22:15.639 --> 00:22:16.000
 out.

00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:17.519
 so they

00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:18.700
 overstayed

00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:19.680
 their immunity

00:22:19.680 --> 00:22:20.740
 to arrest

00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:21.359
 by a

00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:21.819
 hazardous

00:22:21.819 --> 00:22:23.259
 three weeks.

00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:24.400
 And remember,

00:22:24.539 --> 00:22:24.960
 once their

00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:26.039
 time was up,

00:22:26.380 --> 00:22:27.119
 anybody was

00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:27.539
 free to

00:22:27.539 --> 00:22:27.900
 take their

00:22:27.900 --> 00:22:28.579
 life.

00:22:30.500 --> 00:22:31.940
 So very,

00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:32.680
 very dangerous.

00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:33.480
 So during

00:22:33.480 --> 00:22:34.279
 this time of

00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:34.859
 three weeks,

00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:35.940
 Catherine

00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:37.000
 managed to

00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:37.779
 hide them

00:22:37.779 --> 00:22:38.640
 in different

00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:39.140
 places.

00:22:39.460 --> 00:22:39.880
 And she

00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:40.680
 certainly knew

00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:41.440
 all of the

00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:41.940
 places that

00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:42.220
 you could

00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:42.880
 stuff people

00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:43.640
 in Strasbourg

00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:44.299
 from the

00:22:44.299 --> 00:22:45.180
 refugee crisis,

00:22:46.180 --> 00:22:47.419
 her refugee

00:22:47.419 --> 00:22:48.519
 placement program.

00:22:49.539 --> 00:22:49.919
 Well,

00:22:49.980 --> 00:22:50.220
 when they

00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:51.019
 finally got

00:22:51.019 --> 00:22:51.779
 off safely,

00:22:52.339 --> 00:22:53.220
 they left

00:22:53.220 --> 00:22:53.919
 her two

00:22:53.919 --> 00:22:55.500
 gold pieces

00:22:55.500 --> 00:22:55.919
 out of

00:22:55.919 --> 00:22:56.339
 gratitude.

00:22:57.139 --> 00:22:57.960
 She wrote

00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:58.419
 back,

00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:02.579
 you put

00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:03.019
 me to

00:23:03.019 --> 00:23:03.639
 shame to

00:23:03.639 --> 00:23:04.180
 think that

00:23:04.180 --> 00:23:04.500
 you would

00:23:04.500 --> 00:23:05.119
 leave money

00:23:05.119 --> 00:23:06.339
 for me as

00:23:06.339 --> 00:23:06.980
 if I would

00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:07.419
 take a

00:23:07.419 --> 00:23:08.339
 heller from

00:23:08.339 --> 00:23:08.740
 you poor

00:23:08.740 --> 00:23:09.299
 pilgrims,

00:23:09.500 --> 00:23:10.419
 a penny.

00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:12.119
 My

00:23:12.119 --> 00:23:12.579
 reverend

00:23:12.579 --> 00:23:13.000
 ministers,

00:23:13.000 --> 00:23:14.079
 I wish

00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:14.380
 I could

00:23:14.380 --> 00:23:14.700
 have done

00:23:14.700 --> 00:23:15.220
 better for

00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:15.480
 you,

00:23:15.920 --> 00:23:16.240
 but my

00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:16.660
 Matthew

00:23:16.660 --> 00:23:19.559
 has taken

00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:20.460
 all of

00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:21.039
 my gaiety

00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:21.819
 with him.

00:23:22.619 --> 00:23:23.180
 I intended

00:23:23.180 --> 00:23:23.759
 to return

00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:24.799
 the two

00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:25.460
 gold pieces

00:23:25.460 --> 00:23:26.500
 with this

00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:27.740
 letter as

00:23:27.740 --> 00:23:28.440
 Joseph put

00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:28.759
 the money

00:23:28.759 --> 00:23:29.039
 in the

00:23:29.039 --> 00:23:29.400
 sack of

00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:29.819
 his brother,

00:23:30.299 --> 00:23:30.819
 but a

00:23:30.819 --> 00:23:31.160
 refugee

00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:31.680
 minister

00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:32.980
 has just

00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:33.440
 come in

00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:34.660
 with five

00:23:34.660 --> 00:23:36.119
 children and

00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:36.480
 the wife

00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:36.880
 of another

00:23:36.880 --> 00:23:37.359
 who saw

00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:37.839
 her husband

00:23:37.839 --> 00:23:38.200
 beheaded

00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:38.740
 before her

00:23:38.740 --> 00:23:39.039
 eyes.

00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:40.980
 I divided

00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:41.779
 the one

00:23:41.779 --> 00:23:42.259
 gold piece

00:23:42.259 --> 00:23:42.640
 between

00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:43.759
 them as

00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:44.140
 a present

00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:44.619
 from you,

00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:45.559
 the other

00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:45.740
 eye

00:23:45.740 --> 00:23:46.240
 enclose.

00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:47.059
 You will

00:23:47.059 --> 00:23:47.480
 doubtless

00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:47.900
 need it.

00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:52.019
 So Catherine

00:23:52.019 --> 00:23:52.700
 was now

00:23:52.700 --> 00:23:53.379
 60 years

00:23:53.379 --> 00:23:54.640
 old and

00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:55.180
 her health

00:23:55.180 --> 00:23:56.379
 began to

00:23:56.379 --> 00:23:56.640
 fail,

00:23:57.299 --> 00:23:58.079
 but her

00:23:58.079 --> 00:23:58.680
 indomitable

00:23:58.680 --> 00:23:59.700
 zeal did

00:23:59.700 --> 00:24:00.299
 not flag.

00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.379
 In 1558,

00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:03.420
 one of the

00:24:03.420 --> 00:24:04.720
 chief magistrates

00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:06.039
 of Strasbourg,

00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.079
 Felix Ambrosioter,

00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:09.379
 was stricken

00:24:09.380 --> 00:24:09.980
 with a

00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:10.620
 dreaded

00:24:10.620 --> 00:24:11.680
 leprosy

00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:12.340
 and

00:24:12.340 --> 00:24:13.060
 consequently

00:24:13.060 --> 00:24:16.140
 quarantined

00:24:16.140 --> 00:24:17.020
 in a little

00:24:17.020 --> 00:24:17.900
 hut beyond

00:24:17.900 --> 00:24:18.380
 the city

00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:18.840
 walls.

00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:19.180
 They would

00:24:19.180 --> 00:24:19.720
 separate you

00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:20.840
 way away

00:24:20.840 --> 00:24:21.540
 from any

00:24:21.540 --> 00:24:22.440
 society

00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:23.660
 at all.

00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.120
 Not even

00:24:27.120 --> 00:24:27.980
 his family

00:24:27.980 --> 00:24:28.920
 were given

00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:29.960
 leave to

00:24:29.960 --> 00:24:30.680
 attend to

00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:30.940
 him.

00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:32.440
 No one

00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:33.260
 dared to

00:24:33.260 --> 00:24:34.100
 relieve his

00:24:34.100 --> 00:24:34.560
 utter

00:24:34.560 --> 00:24:35.700
 isolation.

00:24:35.700 --> 00:24:36.120
 They were

00:24:36.120 --> 00:24:36.779
 so afraid

00:24:36.779 --> 00:24:36.980
 of

00:24:36.980 --> 00:24:37.700
 contagion

00:24:37.700 --> 00:24:40.240
 except

00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:40.700
 one,

00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.160
 Catherine.

00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:47.299
 She

00:24:47.299 --> 00:24:48.660
 visited him

00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:49.080
 frequently

00:24:49.080 --> 00:24:50.940
 and even

00:24:50.940 --> 00:24:51.940
 wrote for

00:24:51.940 --> 00:24:52.180
 his

00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:52.860
 consolation

00:24:52.860 --> 00:24:53.420
 a little

00:24:53.420 --> 00:24:53.960
 treatise.

00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:55.700
 Here's

00:24:55.700 --> 00:24:56.440
 how it

00:24:56.440 --> 00:24:56.960
 begins.

00:24:58.019 --> 00:24:59.039
 My dear

00:24:59.039 --> 00:24:59.740
 Lord Felix,

00:25:00.240 --> 00:25:01.240
 since we

00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:01.580
 have known

00:25:01.580 --> 00:25:02.059
 each other

00:25:02.059 --> 00:25:02.940
 for a

00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:03.559
 full 30

00:25:03.559 --> 00:25:03.980
 years,

00:25:04.120 --> 00:25:04.420
 I am

00:25:04.420 --> 00:25:04.960
 moved to

00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:05.460
 visit you

00:25:05.460 --> 00:25:05.740
 in your

00:25:05.740 --> 00:25:06.340
 long and

00:25:06.340 --> 00:25:07.380
 frightful

00:25:07.380 --> 00:25:07.819
 illness.

00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:09.200
 I have

00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.600
 not been

00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:09.940
 able to

00:25:09.940 --> 00:25:10.299
 come as

00:25:10.299 --> 00:25:10.720
 often as

00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:10.960
 I would

00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:11.920
 like because

00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:12.220
 of the

00:25:12.220 --> 00:25:12.720
 load here

00:25:12.720 --> 00:25:13.059
 for the

00:25:13.059 --> 00:25:13.400
 poor and

00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:13.840
 the sick,

00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:15.200
 but you

00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:15.539
 have ever

00:25:15.539 --> 00:25:15.819
 been in

00:25:15.819 --> 00:25:16.460
 my thoughts.

00:25:17.120 --> 00:25:17.640
 We have

00:25:17.640 --> 00:25:18.440
 often talked

00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:19.059
 of how you

00:25:19.059 --> 00:25:19.340
 have been

00:25:19.340 --> 00:25:19.779
 stricken,

00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:20.680
 cut off

00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:21.299
 from rank

00:25:21.299 --> 00:25:21.880
 office,

00:25:22.100 --> 00:25:22.500
 from your

00:25:22.500 --> 00:25:23.059
 wife and

00:25:23.059 --> 00:25:23.500
 friends,

00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:24.400
 from all

00:25:24.400 --> 00:25:24.960
 dealings with

00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:25.420
 the world

00:25:25.420 --> 00:25:26.720
 which recoils

00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:27.200
 from your

00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:27.759
 loathsome

00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:29.059
 disease and

00:25:29.059 --> 00:25:29.500
 leaves you

00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:30.100
 in utter

00:25:30.100 --> 00:25:30.680
 loneliness.

00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:32.160
 At first

00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:32.460
 you were

00:25:32.460 --> 00:25:33.259
 bitter and

00:25:33.259 --> 00:25:33.940
 utterly cast

00:25:33.940 --> 00:25:34.340
 down,

00:25:34.339 --> 00:25:35.240
 till God

00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:35.659
 gave you

00:25:35.659 --> 00:25:36.379
 strength and

00:25:36.379 --> 00:25:36.879
 patience,

00:25:37.459 --> 00:25:38.199
 and now you

00:25:38.199 --> 00:25:38.740
 are able to

00:25:38.740 --> 00:25:39.339
 thank him

00:25:39.339 --> 00:25:40.199
 that out of

00:25:40.199 --> 00:25:41.119
 love he has

00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:41.859
 taught you to

00:25:41.859 --> 00:25:42.220
 bear the

00:25:42.220 --> 00:25:42.639
 cross.

00:25:43.339 --> 00:25:44.119
 Because I

00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:44.639
 know that your

00:25:44.639 --> 00:25:45.319
 illness weighs

00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:45.819
 upon you

00:25:45.819 --> 00:25:46.659
 daily and

00:25:46.659 --> 00:25:47.179
 may easily

00:25:47.179 --> 00:25:47.839
 cause you

00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:49.139
 again to

00:25:49.139 --> 00:25:49.740
 fall into

00:25:49.740 --> 00:25:50.319
 despair and

00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:51.139
 rebelliousness,

00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:51.899
 I have

00:25:51.899 --> 00:25:52.519
 gathered some

00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.259
 passages which

00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:56.639
 may make your

00:25:56.639 --> 00:25:58.099
 yoke light in

00:25:58.099 --> 00:25:58.579
 spirit,

00:25:58.859 --> 00:26:00.119
 though not in

00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:00.599
 the flesh.

00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:01.599
 love he has

00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:02.599
 done.

00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:03.519
 She takes the

00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:04.119
 lonely yet

00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:04.779
 loved leper

00:26:04.779 --> 00:26:06.679
 through various

00:26:06.679 --> 00:26:08.319
 verses with

00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:08.899
 her comforting

00:26:08.899 --> 00:26:09.799
 comments for

00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:10.579
 his meditation.

00:26:12.819 --> 00:26:13.419
 Catherine also

00:26:13.419 --> 00:26:14.539
 sought to care

00:26:14.539 --> 00:26:15.500
 for a nephew

00:26:15.500 --> 00:26:16.859
 who was plagued

00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:17.539
 with syphilis.

00:26:18.459 --> 00:26:19.539
 In fact, to

00:26:19.539 --> 00:26:20.359
 this end, she

00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:21.500
 temporarily moved

00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:22.419
 into the

00:26:22.419 --> 00:26:23.819
 institution in

00:26:23.819 --> 00:26:25.299
 which he was

00:26:25.299 --> 00:26:26.199
 being treated.

00:26:26.200 --> 00:26:27.620
 and no

00:26:27.620 --> 00:26:28.900
 sooner had

00:26:28.900 --> 00:26:29.740
 Catherine moved

00:26:29.740 --> 00:26:31.000
 in than the

00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:32.200
 gifted administrator

00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.200
 in her discern

00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.740
 numerous changes

00:26:34.740 --> 00:26:35.880
 that were

00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.240
 absolutely needed.

00:26:37.620 --> 00:26:38.720
 She shot off a

00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.259
 letter to the

00:26:39.259 --> 00:26:40.700
 town council

00:26:40.700 --> 00:26:47.400
 and in it

00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.180
 she writes,

00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:51.920
 the manager

00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:53.019
 and his wife

00:26:53.019 --> 00:26:54.080
 live in luxury

00:26:54.080 --> 00:26:55.299
 and neglect

00:26:55.299 --> 00:26:56.039
 the patients.

00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:57.340
 beds rot,

00:26:58.059 --> 00:26:59.059
 water is not

00:26:59.059 --> 00:26:59.680
 heated for

00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:00.380
 baths,

00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:01.160
 tough,

00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:02.160
 and sometimes

00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:03.200
 wormy meat

00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:03.860
 is served

00:27:03.860 --> 00:27:04.799
 indiscriminately,

00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:05.960
 whereas some

00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:06.640
 require a

00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:07.360
 soft diet.

00:27:07.980 --> 00:27:08.640
 There is no

00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:09.660
 religious instruction

00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:10.460
 and some

00:27:10.460 --> 00:27:11.299
 patients do not

00:27:11.299 --> 00:27:11.720
 even know

00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:12.279
 the Lord's

00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:12.640
 prayer.

00:27:13.620 --> 00:27:14.160
 The manager

00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:15.019
 grumbles a

00:27:15.019 --> 00:27:15.759
 grace so that

00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:16.559
 one cannot tell

00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:16.960
 whether he

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:17.539
 might not be

00:27:17.539 --> 00:27:17.920
 swearing.

00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:20.120
 The mercury

00:27:20.120 --> 00:27:21.380
 cure martyrs

00:27:21.380 --> 00:27:22.039
 the patients.

00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:23.600
 There should be

00:27:23.600 --> 00:27:24.100
 a dedicated

00:27:24.100 --> 00:27:24.840
 couple in

00:27:24.840 --> 00:27:25.279
 charge.

00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:26.139
 The number

00:27:26.139 --> 00:27:26.680
 of maids

00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:27.039
 should be

00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:27.500
 reduced.

00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:28.500
 The fewer,

00:27:28.819 --> 00:27:29.119
 the less

00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:29.720
 quarreling.

00:27:30.539 --> 00:27:31.019
 Get rid of

00:27:31.019 --> 00:27:31.639
 the savage

00:27:31.639 --> 00:27:32.420
 dog which

00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:33.220
 mangles all

00:27:33.220 --> 00:27:33.819
 the cats.

00:27:34.460 --> 00:27:34.799
 Give up

00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:35.819
 swine and

00:27:35.819 --> 00:27:36.539
 goats in

00:27:36.539 --> 00:27:37.139
 favor of a

00:27:37.139 --> 00:27:37.980
 hundred hens.

00:27:38.420 --> 00:27:39.139
 Have religious

00:27:39.139 --> 00:27:40.240
 instruction every

00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:41.460
 morning while the

00:27:41.460 --> 00:27:42.399
 heart is fresh.

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:43.740
 For medication,

00:27:44.299 --> 00:27:45.039
 use only

00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:46.139
 goyak.

00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:47.700
 Whatever that

00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:48.000
 is.

00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.519
 Well, it was

00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:50.480
 obvious that

00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:51.099
 Catherine knew

00:27:51.099 --> 00:27:52.000
 just how to

00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:52.440
 run that

00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:53.579
 place and

00:27:53.579 --> 00:27:53.779
 her

00:27:53.779 --> 00:27:54.480
 recommendations

00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:55.559
 were adopted

00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:56.440
 in toto,

00:27:57.019 --> 00:27:58.319
 much to the

00:27:58.319 --> 00:27:58.940
 relief of the

00:27:58.940 --> 00:27:59.299
 grateful

00:27:59.299 --> 00:27:59.940
 patients.

00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:02.259
 Not only

00:28:02.259 --> 00:28:03.299
 elemasinary but

00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:04.559
 also educational

00:28:04.559 --> 00:28:06.240
 efforts animated

00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:06.759
 Catherine.

00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:08.720
 Early, while her

00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:09.420
 husband was still

00:28:09.420 --> 00:28:10.680
 living, and

00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:11.160
 Matthew

00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:11.660
 incidentally

00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:12.140
 shared her

00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:12.920
 concern for

00:28:12.920 --> 00:28:13.960
 popular education

00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:15.000
 composing two

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.299
 simple catechisms

00:28:16.299 --> 00:28:16.940
 for children,

00:28:18.740 --> 00:28:19.799
 Catalina issued

00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:21.379
 a collection of

00:28:21.379 --> 00:28:23.500
 hymns sold in

00:28:23.500 --> 00:28:24.680
 four little

00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:25.440
 pamphlets for

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:25.899
 a penny a

00:28:25.899 --> 00:28:26.599
 piece to

00:28:26.599 --> 00:28:27.480
 ensure wide

00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:28.639
 circulation.

00:28:29.180 --> 00:28:30.180
 Very, very

00:28:30.180 --> 00:28:31.399
 cheap for that

00:28:31.399 --> 00:28:31.700
 day.

00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:32.099
 A heller.

00:28:32.899 --> 00:28:33.440
 In the

00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:33.859
 preface,

00:28:34.419 --> 00:28:35.139
 Catherine wrote,

00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:36.759
 when I read

00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.119
 these hymns, I

00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:38.740
 felt that the

00:28:38.740 --> 00:28:39.500
 writer had the

00:28:39.500 --> 00:28:40.339
 whole Bible in

00:28:40.339 --> 00:28:40.799
 his heart.

00:28:41.619 --> 00:28:42.359
 This is not

00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:42.960
 just a hymn

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:43.819
 book, but a

00:28:43.819 --> 00:28:44.619
 lesson book of

00:28:44.619 --> 00:28:45.139
 prayer and

00:28:45.139 --> 00:28:45.639
 praise.

00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.040
 When so many

00:28:47.040 --> 00:28:48.160
 filthy songs are

00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:48.800
 on the lips of

00:28:48.800 --> 00:28:49.480
 men and women

00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:49.880
 and even

00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:50.940
 children, I

00:28:50.940 --> 00:28:51.580
 think it well

00:28:51.580 --> 00:28:52.160
 that folk

00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.220
 should, with

00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:54.360
 lusty zeal and

00:28:54.360 --> 00:28:55.700
 clear voice, sing

00:28:55.700 --> 00:28:56.500
 the songs of

00:28:56.500 --> 00:28:57.320
 their salvation.

00:28:58.320 --> 00:28:59.220
 God is glad

00:28:59.220 --> 00:28:59.540
 when the

00:28:59.540 --> 00:29:00.180
 craftsman at

00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:01.240
 his bench, the

00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:01.840
 maid at the

00:29:01.840 --> 00:29:02.700
 sink, the

00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:03.400
 farmer at the

00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:04.280
 plow, the

00:29:04.280 --> 00:29:05.020
 dresser at the

00:29:05.020 --> 00:29:05.960
 vines, the

00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:06.560
 mother at the

00:29:06.560 --> 00:29:07.520
 cradle, break

00:29:07.520 --> 00:29:08.900
 forth in hymns

00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:10.440
 of prayer, praise,

00:29:10.860 --> 00:29:11.580
 and instruction.

00:29:13.060 --> 00:29:14.280
 Well, when the

00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:15.440
 interim ended in

00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:16.200
 the situation in

00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:17.740
 Strasbourg, in

00:29:17.740 --> 00:29:18.879
 her mind, scarcely

00:29:18.879 --> 00:29:20.420
 improved, at

00:29:20.420 --> 00:29:21.359
 least from her

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:22.399
 point of view, for

00:29:22.399 --> 00:29:23.440
 the city then came

00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:24.539
 to be dominated by

00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:26.839
 stridently doctrinaire

00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:28.599
 Lutherans, zealous

00:29:28.599 --> 00:29:29.859
 to discern and

00:29:29.859 --> 00:29:30.960
 denounce the

00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.740
 slightest dogmatic

00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:34.240
 deviance from

00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:35.279
 their own narrow

00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:36.019
 creed.

00:29:36.019 --> 00:29:39.059
 once during a

00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:39.960
 Christmas sermon,

00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:41.119
 one of the most

00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:41.920
 rabid of them

00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:42.559
 all, his name

00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:43.059
 was actually

00:29:43.059 --> 00:29:45.559
 Ludwig Rabus, he

00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.500
 digressed from his

00:29:47.500 --> 00:29:49.039
 edifying text and

00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:50.700
 descended into

00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:52.819
 unedifying railing

00:29:52.819 --> 00:29:54.200
 against Schwenkfeld

00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.299
 by slandering him

00:29:56.299 --> 00:29:58.099
 as Stinkfeld, that

00:29:58.099 --> 00:29:58.839
 emissary from

00:29:58.839 --> 00:29:59.240
 Satan.

00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:01.960
 It was so that you

00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:03.039
 can kind of pun on

00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:03.879
 his name and make

00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:04.540
 it sound a lot

00:30:04.540 --> 00:30:06.560
 like a stinking

00:30:06.560 --> 00:30:07.440
 manure field.

00:30:08.260 --> 00:30:10.260
 So, in those days

00:30:10.260 --> 00:30:11.160
 they were no

00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:12.000
 strangers to

00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:13.080
 lampoon.

00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:14.580
 Well, Catherine

00:30:14.580 --> 00:30:16.120
 considered this

00:30:16.120 --> 00:30:17.600
 bereft of charity

00:30:17.600 --> 00:30:18.620
 and she

00:30:18.620 --> 00:30:19.960
 remonstrated with

00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:20.680
 Rabus in

00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:21.120
 private.

00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:22.860
 For this private

00:30:22.860 --> 00:30:24.220
 rebuke, Rabus

00:30:24.220 --> 00:30:25.320
 called Catherine a

00:30:25.320 --> 00:30:26.380
 disturber of the

00:30:26.380 --> 00:30:26.800
 peace.

00:30:27.700 --> 00:30:30.060
 But with this, he

00:30:30.060 --> 00:30:30.600
 seemed to have

00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:32.120
 tripped a wire and

00:30:32.120 --> 00:30:32.960
 she gave him a

00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:34.059
 peace of her mind.

00:30:34.660 --> 00:30:35.860
 And I certainly

00:30:35.860 --> 00:30:36.519
 think he had it

00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:36.759
 coming.

00:30:38.840 --> 00:30:40.380
 A disturber of

00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:41.420
 the peace am I.

00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:43.640
 Yes, indeed, my

00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:44.539
 own peace.

00:30:45.140 --> 00:30:45.960
 Do you call this

00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:46.920
 disturbing the peace?

00:30:47.140 --> 00:30:47.980
 That instead of

00:30:47.980 --> 00:30:49.200
 spending my time in

00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:50.160
 frivolous amusements,

00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:50.960
 I have visited the

00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:52.220
 plague infested and

00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:52.840
 carried out the

00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:53.160
 dead.

00:30:53.340 --> 00:30:54.220
 I have visited those

00:30:54.220 --> 00:30:55.140
 in prison and under

00:30:55.140 --> 00:30:56.079
 sentence of death,

00:30:56.340 --> 00:30:57.579
 often for three days

00:30:57.579 --> 00:30:58.360
 and three nights.

00:30:58.559 --> 00:30:59.640
 I have neither eaten

00:30:59.640 --> 00:31:00.460
 nor slept.

00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:01.799
 I have neither mounted

00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:02.299
 the pulpit.

00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:03.379
 I have never mounted

00:31:03.379 --> 00:31:04.619
 the pulpit, but I

00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:05.500
 have done more than

00:31:05.500 --> 00:31:06.279
 any minister in

00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:07.139
 visiting those in

00:31:07.139 --> 00:31:07.440
 misery.

00:31:07.940 --> 00:31:09.119
 Is this disturbing the

00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:10.019
 peace of the church?

00:31:10.579 --> 00:31:11.740
 Why do you rail at

00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:12.319
 Schwenkfeld?

00:31:12.819 --> 00:31:14.019
 You talk as if you

00:31:14.019 --> 00:31:14.859
 would have him burned

00:31:14.859 --> 00:31:16.159
 like poor Servetus in

00:31:16.159 --> 00:31:16.480
 Geneva.

00:31:17.419 --> 00:31:18.539
 You say that you have

00:31:18.539 --> 00:31:19.519
 left Strasbourg and

00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:21.059
 gone to Ulm because the

00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:22.279
 ministers here are too

00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:23.319
 lenient toward the

00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:24.359
 Schwenkfelders, the

00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:25.379
 Zviglians, or the

00:31:25.379 --> 00:31:26.119
 Anabaptists.

00:31:26.539 --> 00:31:27.740
 You behave as if you

00:31:27.740 --> 00:31:28.639
 have been brought up by

00:31:28.639 --> 00:31:29.680
 savages in a jungle.

00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.299
 The Anabaptists are

00:31:31.299 --> 00:31:32.840
 pursued as by a hunter

00:31:32.840 --> 00:31:34.440
 with dogs chasing wild

00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:34.940
 boars.

00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:36.500
 Yet the Anabaptists

00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:38.140
 accept Christ in all

00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:39.160
 essentials as we do.

00:31:39.940 --> 00:31:40.820
 They have borne witness

00:31:40.820 --> 00:31:41.660
 to their faith in

00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:43.080
 misery, prison, fire,

00:31:43.180 --> 00:31:43.640
 and water.

00:31:44.320 --> 00:31:45.740
 You young fellows tread

00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:47.160
 on the graves of the

00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:48.279
 first fathers of this

00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:49.960
 church in Strasbourg and

00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:51.180
 punish all who disagree

00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:52.600
 with you, but faith

00:31:52.600 --> 00:31:53.820
 cannot be forced.

00:31:54.560 --> 00:31:55.840
 You say that Strasbourg,

00:31:56.180 --> 00:31:58.259
 by her laxity, is a shame

00:31:58.259 --> 00:31:59.519
 and a scorn to all

00:31:59.519 --> 00:31:59.940
 Germany.

00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:02.019
 Not yet, my dear fellow.

00:32:03.460 --> 00:32:04.400
 She is rather an

00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:05.619
 example of mercy and

00:32:05.619 --> 00:32:06.119
 compassion.

00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:08.220
 My Matthew testified in

00:32:08.220 --> 00:32:09.599
 private, and from the

00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:11.000
 pulpit also, that he

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:12.460
 would not be guilty of

00:32:12.460 --> 00:32:13.640
 the crucifixion of these

00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:14.279
 poor folk.

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.240
 The good Samaritan, when

00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:17.559
 he came upon the man who

00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:18.799
 had fallen among thieves,

00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:20.500
 did not ask him to what

00:32:20.500 --> 00:32:22.000
 denomination he belonged,

00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:23.700
 but put him on his ass

00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:25.119
 and took him to an inn.

00:32:25.539 --> 00:32:26.900
 Remember the words of the

00:32:26.900 --> 00:32:29.500
 Lord Jesus, I am meek and

00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:30.340
 lowly of heart.

00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.580
 Well, Catherine's last

00:32:34.580 --> 00:32:36.759
 service was to a disciple

00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:38.320
 of Schwenkfeld, the wife

00:32:38.320 --> 00:32:39.040
 of a distinguished

00:32:39.040 --> 00:32:39.680
 physician.

00:32:40.840 --> 00:32:44.320
 On her death, the husband

00:32:44.320 --> 00:32:46.160
 asked if one of the

00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:47.960
 pastors would conduct the

00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:48.259
 funeral.

00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:50.700
 Only on the understanding

00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:52.180
 that I will declare her to

00:32:52.180 --> 00:32:53.300
 have fallen away from the

00:32:53.300 --> 00:32:55.440
 faith, came the reply.

00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.620
 Well, the husband sadly

00:32:57.620 --> 00:32:59.360
 declined and planned the

00:32:59.360 --> 00:33:01.320
 service-less internment at

00:33:01.320 --> 00:33:02.019
 6 a.m.

00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:05.779
 when none would notice.

00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:08.840
 Well, somehow Catherine

00:33:08.840 --> 00:33:09.259
 heard.

00:33:09.940 --> 00:33:12.660
 Too weak now to walk, she

00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:14.400
 had a carriage bring her to

00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.279
 the spot at that hour and

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:19.200
 herself conducted the

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:19.580
 service.

00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.900
 The town council, hearing of

00:33:22.900 --> 00:33:24.420
 the act, decreed that if

00:33:24.420 --> 00:33:25.880
 Catherine got well, she

00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:26.940
 should be reprimanded.

00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.100
 Well, the reprimand, that

00:33:31.100 --> 00:33:32.400
 reprimand was never given.

00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:34.640
 Indeed, perhaps the reverse

00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:35.320
 was given her.

00:33:35.860 --> 00:33:38.640
 For shortly after that, she

00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:41.440
 died in her 64th year, 16,

00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:44.680
 sorry, 1562, leaving behind

00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:50.460
 her, in many, a memory of a

00:33:50.460 --> 00:33:53.720
 strong and sweet savor of her

00:33:53.720 --> 00:33:54.019
 savior.

00:33:54.980 --> 00:33:56.299
 She had welcomed the

00:33:56.299 --> 00:33:59.200
 stranger, comforted the

00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.519
 sorrowful, befriended the

00:34:01.519 --> 00:34:04.900
 lonely, allayed the wounds of

00:34:04.900 --> 00:34:05.480
 the suffering.

00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:10.579
 Her gospel wells ran deep, and

00:34:10.579 --> 00:34:13.119
 out of them she drew to

00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:14.159
 refresh many.

00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:16.599
 Her life was a veritable

00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.420
 orchard of the fruits of the

00:34:19.420 --> 00:34:19.880
 spirit.

00:34:21.019 --> 00:34:23.159
 Oh, God, to raise up more

00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.760
 Catherine Zell among us.

00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:34.119
 Well, I have another profile

00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:35.300
 that I'd like to hit, but I

00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:37.780
 wondered if you, we may take

00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:40.700
 a few minutes if you had any

00:34:40.700 --> 00:34:43.099
 questions about Catherine Zell,

00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:45.720
 and then I'm going to finish up

00:34:45.720 --> 00:34:47.519
 some of the time that we have.

00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.500
 Do we still have a little

00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:49.599
 time?

00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:50.019
 Okay.

00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:54.239
 Or would you like me just to

00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:55.059
 go on, and then we can ask

00:34:55.059 --> 00:34:55.920
 questions about both?

00:34:58.219 --> 00:34:59.980
 Strasburg was German at this

00:34:59.980 --> 00:35:00.340
 time?

00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:00.860
 Yes.

00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:02.280
 Yes, exactly.

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.079
 German speaking.

00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:06.099
 All right, I'll go on, and then

00:35:06.099 --> 00:35:06.619
 we can ask them.

00:35:06.619 --> 00:35:17.079
 Oh, that was, that was, there's

00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:18.679
 Schwenkfeld, there's Schwenkfeld.

00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:22.960
 Vibrondus Rosenblatt.

00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.339
 Surely, one of the most inside

00:35:28.339 --> 00:35:31.179
 views of the Reformation would

00:35:31.179 --> 00:35:33.359
 have to have been that possessed

00:35:33.359 --> 00:35:37.039
 by the much married Vibrondus

00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:38.039
 Rosenblatt.

00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.039
 For in her matrimonial migrations,

00:35:42.399 --> 00:35:44.039
 she would be the wife for,

00:35:45.199 --> 00:35:47.440
 she would be the wife successively

00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.419
 of three of the principal leaders

00:35:50.419 --> 00:35:51.039
 of the Reformation.

00:35:53.819 --> 00:35:57.039
 Vibrondus was born at Basel in 1504.

00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:57.759
 1504.

00:35:58.980 --> 00:36:01.860
 There's Basel in the time.

00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:05.259
 Ironically, she was named after

00:36:05.259 --> 00:36:08.039
 the remains of a saint, Vibrondus,

00:36:09.340 --> 00:36:13.480
 which lay in the altar of the

00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.480
 Basel Cathedral, from which very

00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:19.099
 pulpit, one of her future husbands

00:36:19.099 --> 00:36:22.400
 would denounce such relic-revering

00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.860
 practices as being named after the

00:36:24.860 --> 00:36:25.900
 relic of a saint.

00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.179
 Not quite 20, she was married to the

00:36:30.179 --> 00:36:33.420
 esteemed Basel humanist, Ludwig Keller.

00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.480
 Among the several things Keller must

00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:39.000
 have liked in his new wife was her

00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:42.159
 name, for he decided to call the

00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.619
 daughter that she bore him by that

00:36:45.619 --> 00:36:48.759
 very name, Vibrondus II.

00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.579
 The first marriage proved short, for

00:36:52.579 --> 00:36:56.799
 her husband died only two years after

00:36:56.799 --> 00:36:59.559
 their marriage, leaving Vibrondus a widow

00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.559
 with child at 22 years old.

00:37:04.099 --> 00:37:06.980
 Her consequent availability proved a

00:37:06.980 --> 00:37:11.279
 happy circumstance for a certain Basel

00:37:11.279 --> 00:37:11.920
 bachelor.

00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:16.059
 It was unlikely that she would not have

00:37:16.059 --> 00:37:18.579
 noticed him in the city, for his post as

00:37:18.579 --> 00:37:21.619
 principal preacher would have rendered him

00:37:21.619 --> 00:37:25.579
 as prominent as his pendulous promontory

00:37:26.279 --> 00:37:28.000
 of a nose.

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.360
 Look at that guy.

00:37:30.819 --> 00:37:31.139
 Wow.

00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.619
 Gaunt, stooped, ill-nourished.

00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:42.859
 He appeared to some as a mere sack of bones

00:37:42.859 --> 00:37:46.739
 and friends of the gospel feared that he

00:37:46.739 --> 00:37:49.099
 might, that they might lose him to the

00:37:49.099 --> 00:37:51.400
 cause unless there would be someone to

00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.119
 feed him some square meals and tell him

00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:55.859
 when to blow out his candle for the

00:37:55.859 --> 00:37:56.139
 night.

00:37:57.619 --> 00:38:00.019
 Concern was heightened now that his

00:38:00.019 --> 00:38:02.480
 mother, who had tried to perform that

00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.679
 role for him, had died, leaving him to

00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.399
 fend for himself and to take care of his

00:38:08.399 --> 00:38:09.519
 aged father.

00:38:10.619 --> 00:38:13.259
 His old friend, Wolfgang Capito, who we

00:38:13.259 --> 00:38:15.579
 saw before, wrote to prompt him,

00:38:16.419 --> 00:38:19.599
 Marriage is honorable and especially for a

00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:20.379
 Christian pastor.

00:38:21.019 --> 00:38:23.460
 If a suitable person is pointed out to you,

00:38:23.759 --> 00:38:25.679
 I think you should not decline.

00:38:26.399 --> 00:38:30.539
 To have a mate of like zeal will be a

00:38:30.539 --> 00:38:31.539
 glory to the Lord.

00:38:31.539 --> 00:38:35.139
 Then wondering if the old bachelor might

00:38:35.139 --> 00:38:37.980
 be inadequately discriminating, added,

00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:41.699
 but there is no greater cross than to be

00:38:41.699 --> 00:38:43.400
 married to a daughter of Belial.

00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:45.579
 So watch out for that, gentlemen.

00:38:47.340 --> 00:38:50.739
 Seeking to allay his fears, Ucullumpadius,

00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:54.440
 so that's who that is, Ucullumpadius.

00:38:55.739 --> 00:38:59.279
 That's kind of a, that's a aggressor-sized

00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:02.560
 version of his German name, Hauschein or

00:39:02.560 --> 00:39:03.220
 Hauslamp.

00:39:03.820 --> 00:39:07.120
 So Ucullumpadius is Latin for, sorry,

00:39:07.260 --> 00:39:09.240
 Greek for Hauslamp.

00:39:12.040 --> 00:39:15.540
 He replied, don't worry about my

00:39:15.540 --> 00:39:15.960
 marrying.

00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:18.700
 Either I will find a Christian sister like

00:39:18.700 --> 00:39:21.120
 Monica, that's the mother of Augustine,

00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.260
 like Monica, or I'll remain unmarried.

00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:27.660
 Such a woman is a rare bird, but perhaps

00:39:27.659 --> 00:39:28.759
 one can be netted.

00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:32.139
 Well, he found in Vibrondus a Monica-like

00:39:32.139 --> 00:39:36.920
 sister and netted her March 15th, 1528.

00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:38.739
 She was 24.

00:39:39.619 --> 00:39:41.480
 He was 45.

00:39:43.319 --> 00:39:47.519
 Some thought them ill-matched, focusing on

00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:47.980
 the physical.

00:39:48.859 --> 00:39:52.659
 One commented uncharitably, a decrepit

00:39:53.239 --> 00:39:55.739
 old man with trembling head and body,

00:39:55.739 --> 00:39:58.459
 so emaciated and wasted that you might

00:39:58.459 --> 00:40:01.439
 well call him a living corpse, has

00:40:01.439 --> 00:40:03.599
 married an elegant and blooming girl of

00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:04.779
 20, more or less.

00:40:06.099 --> 00:40:09.079
 Erasmus teased that it was a rather

00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.119
 indulgent thing to do for Lent, scarcely

00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.500
 castigating the flesh to take a 20-year-old

00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:15.879
 wife.

00:40:16.459 --> 00:40:19.059
 But Ucullumpadius had not netted her for

00:40:19.059 --> 00:40:21.059
 form or face, but for her faith.

00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:23.159
 He wrote to Pharrell,

00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:26.480
 The Lord has given me a sister and wife.

00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:29.139
 She is well-versed in the knowledge of

00:40:29.139 --> 00:40:31.940
 Christ, with several years' experience of

00:40:31.940 --> 00:40:32.799
 bearing the cross.

00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:36.500
 And before long, she was also bearing a

00:40:36.500 --> 00:40:40.440
 son, Eusebius, born on Christmas Eve, 1528.

00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:46.760
 It would be an eventful year for the Ucullumpadiuses, for the

00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:51.220
 arrival of their first coincided with the dramatic crescendo of the

00:40:51.220 --> 00:40:55.119
 Reformation surge in the city, the storming of the cathedral and the

00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:56.460
 bonfire of the vanities.

00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.159
 Happily, their new baby was not colic.

00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:08.239
 Eusebius, reported Ucullumpadius, is a gentle and quiet child, unless hungry, thirsty, or in

00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:09.059
 need of a change.

00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:16.119
 But the father also noted, he is very subject to colds and coughing, and I fear he will

00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:17.339
 not live long.

00:41:18.039 --> 00:41:21.440
 He would live only to 13 years old.

00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:30.240
 Other children came, two daughters, whom they named Alethea, Truth, and Irene, Peace.

00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:39.440
 Vibrondus, her ever-burgeoning home, was constantly the site of hospitality, offered to many of the

00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:40.460
 leaders of the Reformation.

00:41:41.659 --> 00:41:49.280
 Zwingli visited, and Wolfgang Capito sampled her cooking, little knowing that in the future

00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:50.960
 he would enjoy a good bit more of it.

00:41:51.540 --> 00:41:53.600
 Even Servetus dropped by.

00:41:54.980 --> 00:42:01.560
 Soon, Vibrondus was exchanging letters with Anna Zwingli, Agnes Capito, Elizabeth Busser.

00:42:02.380 --> 00:42:08.720
 When in 1531, Zwingli died upon the field of Capel, Ucullumpadius was invited to Zurich

00:42:08.720 --> 00:42:11.080
 to replace the fallen leader.

00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:16.440
 He declined, probably sensing that for him the sands were low.

00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:20.280
 And indeed, in a month, he followed his friend to the grave.

00:42:21.139 --> 00:42:30.460
 So Vibrondus was thus at 26, for the second time a widow, now with four small children.

00:42:32.139 --> 00:42:39.880
 That very month, in Strasbourg, Capito's wife, Agnes, was taken.

00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:47.460
 And Busser, you remember, who was always active in finding wives for his colleagues, cast his

00:42:47.460 --> 00:42:54.680
 eye about for a new wife for the widower, fearing that, given Capito's inclination to depression,

00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.280
 the bitter loss would take a devastating toll.

00:42:59.220 --> 00:43:01.119
 He didn't have to look very far.

00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:05.799
 He revealed to a friend his matchmaking ambition.

00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:11.319
 My choice for Capito is the widow of Ucullumpadius.

00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:17.699
 And it seemed Capito already had Vibrondus on his mind, feeling for her loss.

00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:26.480
 He, referring to Capito, Capito writes me that he has been very touched by the sight of the

00:43:26.480 --> 00:43:29.480
 widow Vibrondus and all her orphaned children.

00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:35.440
 Busser proposed to Capito that a trip would do him good and suggested the beautiful city

00:43:35.440 --> 00:43:36.019
 of Basel.

00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:42.199
 Why, you could drop in on the widow Vibrondus while you're there and offer her some comfort.

00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:45.400
 Capito thought the trip a fine idea.

00:43:45.940 --> 00:43:49.440
 When he arrived at Basel, he offered Vibrondus more than comfort.

00:43:49.940 --> 00:43:51.980
 He offered her his hand.

00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:58.960
 Oh, my, here is, there is Wolfgang Capito, her next husband.

00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:08.559
 Um, uh, they were married on August 11th, 1532, much to the glee and satisfaction of Busser.

00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:18.579
 Uh, of course, when Capito returned with his new wife, the family included the four children

00:44:18.579 --> 00:44:21.039
 and Vibrondus' mother.

00:44:21.699 --> 00:44:21.920
 Okay.

00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:26.380
 So she, remember she had, she had children from first marriage, Keller.

00:44:26.779 --> 00:44:31.320
 She had, uh, two from, uh, uh, then she had Aletha.

00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:35.100
 So Eusebius, Irena, and Alethea from Ucculumpadius.

00:44:35.220 --> 00:44:42.160
 So those four, uh, Vibrondus slotted into the new routine quite easily as her new husband's

00:44:42.160 --> 00:44:48.380
 life, uh, scarcely differed from that of her late husband, both being pastor professors.

00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:51.740
 Uh, the daily round she took in stride.

00:44:51.739 --> 00:44:57.000
 Her energies were strained, however, by keeping the cradle full.

00:44:57.579 --> 00:45:00.899
 To Capito, she bore five more children.

00:45:00.899 --> 00:45:12.859
 Um, her good friend in Strasbourg, Elizabeth Busser, had born her husband, Martin, 13 children.

00:45:12.860 --> 00:45:19.519
 Uh, those after church picnics must've been pretty lively when both the Capitos and the

00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:21.300
 Bussers showed up in full strength.

00:45:21.300 --> 00:45:31.720
 Uh, but in 1541, the plague struck Strasbourg, claiming 3,200 lives across the city.

00:45:32.380 --> 00:45:40.480
 At the Busser household, only one child of the 13 survived the deadly scourge.

00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:46.980
 Uh, Nathaniel, the one that survived, was a severely mentally and physically handicapped

00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:47.380
 son.

00:45:48.500 --> 00:45:51.360
 And Elizabeth herself was taken.

00:45:52.260 --> 00:45:57.380
 Uh, she might have saved her life had she left the city at the outbreak of the epidemic.

00:45:57.699 --> 00:46:04.599
 But her husband, Martin Busser, would not leave his flock and she would not leave her husband.

00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:13.199
 In the Capito household, the plague took Eusebius, the son of Vibrondus by Ocolampadius and Dorothea

00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:20.219
 and Wolfgang and Christoph, uh, two of her other children by Capito and Capito himself.

00:46:21.319 --> 00:46:29.819
 So Vibrondus was again widowed with four surviving children and an aged mother.

00:46:29.820 --> 00:46:31.840
 She's 47 now.

00:46:33.580 --> 00:46:38.940
 As Elizabeth Busser lay stricken, it's hard to keep all these names.

00:46:39.120 --> 00:46:42.660
 Elizabeth Busser lay stricken on her deathbed with the plague.

00:46:44.300 --> 00:46:50.460
 Catherine Sell came to bring the news of Wolfgang Capito's death.

00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:58.720
 Elizabeth, aware that for her, the bell would shortly toll, asked her husband, Martin Busser,

00:46:58.720 --> 00:47:06.740
 to take the place of his colleague Capito by taking the widowed Vibrondus to be his wife.

00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.099
 Now, Busser answered only by tears.

00:47:10.240 --> 00:47:16.240
 I mean, his wife's not even dead yet and she's arranging for the next, the next wife.

00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:25.359
 Uh, yet Elizabeth insisted and sent for Vibrondus who, having been only just widowed the night

00:47:25.359 --> 00:47:29.299
 before, hesitated to be seen in public by day.

00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:38.139
 She came by night and received Elizabeth's dying plea to care for her husband as his wife

00:47:38.139 --> 00:47:39.419
 when she died.

00:47:39.420 --> 00:47:43.099
 The wish of Elizabeth was fulfilled.

00:47:44.200 --> 00:47:56.780
 In April 1542, Vibrondus took her place beside Martin Busser as his wife, he being her fourth husband.

00:47:58.240 --> 00:47:59.720
 So there's Martin Busser.

00:47:59.900 --> 00:48:01.180
 That's her husband now.

00:48:03.500 --> 00:48:07.780
 Vibrondus proved a good wife to Busser.

00:48:07.780 --> 00:48:09.640
 He wrote to a friend,

00:48:09.640 --> 00:48:16.740
 I only hope I can be as kind to my new wife as she is to me,

00:48:17.120 --> 00:48:20.200
 but oh for the pang for the one that I have lost.

00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:29.100
 The new Busser household, though sorely reduced by the plague, was still not small.

00:48:30.060 --> 00:48:32.200
 And Vibrondus certainly had her hands full.

00:48:33.019 --> 00:48:35.100
 So Busser had a surviving son.

00:48:35.099 --> 00:48:44.299
 Vibrondus brought her mother and four children, making for a family of eight, along with Vibrondus'

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:51.239
 mother and Busser's father with his father's second wife.

00:48:51.779 --> 00:48:53.599
 So a lot of, a lot of ages.

00:48:54.219 --> 00:48:57.339
 And soon more children arrived to the new couple.

00:48:57.340 --> 00:49:06.740
 Though they were now at double digits of kids, they decided to augment their brood still further

00:49:06.740 --> 00:49:07.740
 through adoption.

00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:15.200
 They adopted a niece of Vibrondus, Margareta Rosenblatt.

00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:20.599
 So it must have felt like a Sunday school when they all gathered around the table.

00:49:22.179 --> 00:49:27.819
 Before and after every meal, Busser would read a chapter from scripture, followed by comment.

00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:30.179
 Said one lodger,

00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:36.819
 I always went away from this table more instructed, with doubts dissolved and confusion clarified.

00:49:38.819 --> 00:49:47.659
 I find myself wondering how Busser was able to get so much done in his life, in the midst of this nursery of little needy ones.

00:49:48.460 --> 00:49:52.659
 There's indication that he managed by staying up the balance of the night.

00:49:52.659 --> 00:49:58.319
 An Italian immigrant who stayed in the Busser household for 17 days recalled of Busser,

00:49:58.879 --> 00:50:07.440
 he devotes his nights to study and prayer, and I have never awakened to find, without finding him still up.

00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.500
 It's probably what made him so susceptible to plague is they were sleep deprived too.

00:50:12.779 --> 00:50:13.779
 Not a helpful thing.

00:50:14.879 --> 00:50:20.639
 But even if we imagine Busser helping with a burgeoning brood, went around during the day,

00:50:20.639 --> 00:50:25.239
 there were plenty of seasons when he was not around,

00:50:25.799 --> 00:50:29.440
 and Vibrondus had to hold down the fort without him.

00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:33.859
 On one occasion, Busser was away on a trip for an entire year.

00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.699
 She did, of course, have a mother to help out,

00:50:39.699 --> 00:50:45.900
 but not infrequently she, being well advanced in years, required more help than she could offer.

00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:49.799
 In February 1548, a friend wrote,

00:50:49.800 --> 00:51:03.800
 Another long absence came when Busser was called away to England

00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:08.680
 to fill the Regis professorship at Cambridge of theology.

00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:15.019
 He went out ahead and hoped Vibrondus and the family would join him once he was settled into a home.

00:51:15.019 --> 00:51:18.940
 She must have been quite secure in their relationship,

00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.480
 along with a possession of a robust humor,

00:51:21.940 --> 00:51:27.960
 for her old friend, who was with Busser in England, wrote to her teasingly,

00:51:28.019 --> 00:51:32.940
 You'd better come to care for Busser, else he might marry someone else.

00:51:33.579 --> 00:51:36.639
 The Duchess of Suffolk would have him in a moment.

00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:38.119
 She is a widow.

00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:43.719
 Well, whatever were the hopes of the Duchess of Suffolk, it is clear what Busser wanted.

00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.799
 He wrote expressing the hope that she might join him soon.

00:51:48.619 --> 00:51:53.239
 How I'd love to have you here, but we are in the Lord's hands.

00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:57.739
 While it is obvious that it was Vibrondus he missed,

00:51:58.000 --> 00:52:03.179
 it was also evident that he missed all the practical ways in which she took care of him,

00:52:03.179 --> 00:52:06.239
 for he was not managing too well on his own.

00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.659
 At the end of his plea for her to join him, he adds,

00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:17.299
 But if you cannot come, I wonder if a trusty brother and his wife might come and cook for me

00:52:17.299 --> 00:52:19.259
 and look after the house.

00:52:19.659 --> 00:52:21.739
 You know what kind of a housekeeper I am.

00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:27.699
 If I could have that hope, I could the better spare you until the times improve,

00:52:28.019 --> 00:52:29.419
 but I am in the Lord's hands.

00:52:29.420 --> 00:52:34.860
 His final PS was a request for certain books she might obtain for him.

00:52:35.740 --> 00:52:38.680
 Thus, Vibrondus also acted as a book agent, it seems.

00:52:40.240 --> 00:52:43.079
 It was not easy for Busser to be away from his family.

00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:47.820
 Truly, it is no light cross to give up one's own household, he wrote.

00:52:48.460 --> 00:52:51.740
 But before too long, she was restored to her husband's side,

00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:56.180
 making the trip to England with an advanced contingent to the family.

00:52:56.179 --> 00:53:00.339
 Surveying the scene, she decided to return for the rest of the family,

00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.899
 leaving Agnes Capito, that is, daughter by her third husband,

00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:07.159
 to look after her fourth husband.

00:53:08.179 --> 00:53:11.919
 She got back to Strasbourg to find that the Catholic authorities

00:53:11.919 --> 00:53:14.119
 were trying to confiscate their property.

00:53:14.980 --> 00:53:17.519
 Vibrondus was summoned to appear in court.

00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.980
 We have a hint as to her plucky nature from this incident.

00:53:23.659 --> 00:53:25.780
 It seems one of the local friends, Sol,

00:53:26.059 --> 00:53:30.219
 was concerned that Vibrondus would give the magistrates a piece of her mind

00:53:30.219 --> 00:53:31.300
 over their injustice.

00:53:32.259 --> 00:53:33.280
 She wrote to Busser,

00:53:33.579 --> 00:53:36.920
 Sol confided in me his fear that if I appeared in court,

00:53:37.019 --> 00:53:38.440
 I would say something hot,

00:53:38.860 --> 00:53:41.139
 and indeed I might certainly have done so.

00:53:41.139 --> 00:53:43.440
 Instead of appearing in court,

00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.900
 she had the fine idea of a relaxing visit in a spa.

00:53:48.539 --> 00:53:50.579
 They did have spas back in those days.

00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:54.839
 It seems hot spring spas were a favorite retreat

00:53:54.839 --> 00:53:57.339
 for the fast-paced Busser household,

00:53:57.900 --> 00:54:02.099
 for Martin fantasized over his German thermal baths more than once

00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:04.579
 during the cold, wet winters in Cambridge.

00:54:05.379 --> 00:54:07.480
 While refreshed from her spa tune-up,

00:54:07.879 --> 00:54:09.779
 Vibrondus packed up the rest of the family,

00:54:09.780 --> 00:54:11.019
 grandma and all,

00:54:11.519 --> 00:54:13.060
 and made the journey back to England.

00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.640
 But scarcely had she finally arrived

00:54:15.640 --> 00:54:17.320
 when Busser fell ill.

00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:20.220
 Vibrondus, in caring for her husband,

00:54:20.360 --> 00:54:22.260
 grew so exhausted herself,

00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.760
 she remembered that teasing about

00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.920
 an admiring Duchess of Suffolk

00:54:27.920 --> 00:54:29.840
 and actually asked her

00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.480
 if she would be willing to help relieve her

00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:33.880
 of her incessant nursing

00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:36.760
 through the final stages of Busser's illness.

00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.140
 The Duchess cordially obliged

00:54:40.140 --> 00:54:42.580
 and by taking part of the load

00:54:42.580 --> 00:54:45.120
 probably saved Vibrondus a breakdown.

00:54:46.160 --> 00:54:47.240
 With her husband gone,

00:54:47.500 --> 00:54:50.260
 there was no reason for her to remain a foreigner in England,

00:54:50.420 --> 00:54:53.980
 so she worked on getting the whole family back to Strasbourg.

00:54:54.340 --> 00:54:55.940
 But alas, money was lacking,

00:54:56.340 --> 00:54:57.920
 and she had to appeal to Cranmer,

00:54:58.220 --> 00:54:59.000
 Thomas Cranmer,

00:54:59.440 --> 00:55:01.640
 the Archbishop of Canterbury's kindness,

00:55:02.220 --> 00:55:03.540
 to help them get home.

00:55:03.539 --> 00:55:05.039
 This he gladly did.

00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.840
 She did leave the Archbishop Busser's books.

00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:10.980
 What was left of them,

00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:12.820
 Cranmer complains in a letter

00:55:12.820 --> 00:55:16.460
 that I think the Duchess got them all.

00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:18.619
 So she did get something.

00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.539
 Vibrondus managed to get the family home,

00:55:21.980 --> 00:55:22.619
 grandma and all,

00:55:23.159 --> 00:55:24.699
 but most were now gone

00:55:24.699 --> 00:55:26.259
 that she had once known and loved.

00:55:26.759 --> 00:55:29.259
 So she moved on to the city of her birth,

00:55:29.779 --> 00:55:30.139
 Basel.

00:55:30.139 --> 00:55:34.759
 One wonders if a prospective fifth husband

00:55:34.759 --> 00:55:36.659
 was waiting in the wings.

00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:38.980
 In any case,

00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:41.019
 her matrimonial migrations

00:55:41.019 --> 00:55:43.559
 had finally come to an end.

00:55:44.059 --> 00:55:45.119
 In 1564,

00:55:45.359 --> 00:55:47.179
 a terrible plague carried off

00:55:47.179 --> 00:55:50.859
 7,000 in the city,

00:55:51.579 --> 00:55:52.960
 and Vibrondus was among them.

00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:55.900
 She was laid to rest beside her second husband,

00:55:56.059 --> 00:55:56.139
 Ucullampadius,

00:55:56.879 --> 00:55:58.139
 remember the long-nosed guy,

00:55:58.139 --> 00:56:00.980
 in the cloister walk of the cathedral.

00:56:02.460 --> 00:56:03.900
 And now,

00:56:04.559 --> 00:56:06.920
 I suppose the pressing question

00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.039
 is that of the Sadducees.

00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:11.699
 Whose wife shall she be in the judgment?

00:56:11.699 --> 00:56:23.539
 She was cast by the hand of providence

00:56:23.539 --> 00:56:26.159
 into demanding callings.

00:56:26.839 --> 00:56:28.339
 She answered that call

00:56:28.339 --> 00:56:30.039
 with a life of courage,

00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:31.599
 character, and commitment.

00:56:32.679 --> 00:56:35.199
 Firmly established upon the Rock of Ages,

00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.919
 she was able to stand in the midst

00:56:37.919 --> 00:56:39.199
 of tumults,

00:56:39.819 --> 00:56:40.659
 life,

00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:41.779
 and weather

00:56:41.779 --> 00:56:44.019
 the fierce storms of that age.

00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:46.139
 And upon that great rock,

00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.779
 she was able herself

00:56:47.779 --> 00:56:48.919
 to be a little rock

00:56:48.919 --> 00:56:51.159
 for the many God had given her

00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:51.799
 to love

00:56:51.799 --> 00:56:53.359
 and care for.

00:56:54.639 --> 00:56:56.460
 Neither could they have been

00:56:56.460 --> 00:56:58.439
 what they were without her.

00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.960
 And if history stints her praise,

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:01.900
 its author,

00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:03.019
 the author of history,

00:57:03.559 --> 00:57:04.619
 who sees all

00:57:04.619 --> 00:57:05.340
 and knows all,

00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:05.980
 shall not.

00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:07.400
 Its

00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:09.340
 history

00:57:09.340 --> 00:57:10.500
 sees her

00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:12.039
 behind her husbands,

00:57:13.019 --> 00:57:13.800
 God sees her

00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:14.539
 beside them.

00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:16.720
 Okay.

00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:18.059
 Thank you.

00:57:18.059 --> 00:57:21.420
 I don't know how much time

00:57:21.420 --> 00:57:22.099
 we have, Tom.

00:57:23.380 --> 00:57:25.000
 I will remain

00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:26.420
 to answer any questions

00:57:26.420 --> 00:57:27.259
 that people have,

00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:28.400
 but we might need

00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:29.199
 to dismiss soon.

00:57:29.299 --> 00:57:30.039
 Yeah, I think the folks

00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:30.799
 want to go there again.

00:57:30.940 --> 00:57:31.059
 Yep.

00:57:31.059 --> 00:57:31.860
 I think the service

00:57:31.860 --> 00:57:32.579
 is still going,

00:57:32.799 --> 00:57:33.059
 so,

00:57:33.320 --> 00:57:33.960
 I believe,

00:57:34.139 --> 00:57:34.420
 so,

00:57:35.320 --> 00:57:36.219
 it's probably going

00:57:36.219 --> 00:57:36.940
 to be too long.

00:57:37.259 --> 00:57:38.360
 You are dismissed,

00:57:38.500 --> 00:57:39.239
 but I will remain

00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:41.500
 if anyone has any questions

00:57:41.500 --> 00:57:42.259
 or comments

00:57:42.259 --> 00:57:42.820
 or anything.

00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:46.279
 Yes!

00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:47.079
 I have a question.

00:57:47.299 --> 00:57:47.779
 Thank you.

00:57:47.780 --> 00:57:48.360
 It was great.

00:57:49.460 --> 00:57:50.519
 If you could go back

00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:51.280
 and capture it

00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:51.980
 for a moment.

00:57:52.140 --> 00:57:53.460
 I just got some notes.

00:57:53.500 --> 00:57:53.740
 Yes.

00:57:54.460 --> 00:57:54.660
 So,

00:57:54.740 --> 00:57:56.220
 she was a remarkable person.

00:57:57.640 --> 00:57:59.140
 A capable administrator,

00:57:59.720 --> 00:58:00.860
 an earnest peacemaker,

00:58:01.100 --> 00:58:02.380
 quietly courageous.

00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:03.740
 But I think

00:58:03.740 --> 00:58:04.740
 a really outstanding

00:58:04.740 --> 00:58:05.560
 that came across

00:58:05.560 --> 00:58:06.700
 was just her

00:58:06.700 --> 00:58:07.620
 generous

00:58:07.620 --> 00:58:08.880
 and welcoming hospitality.

00:58:09.140 --> 00:58:09.620
 Yes.

00:58:09.780 --> 00:58:10.540
 And I was wondering

00:58:10.540 --> 00:58:12.880
 if you would comment

00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:14.320
 on what you think

00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:15.200
 the role of hospitality

00:58:15.200 --> 00:58:16.880
 is in the church today.

00:58:17.019 --> 00:58:17.420
 Yes.

00:58:17.420 --> 00:58:17.900
 Oh,

00:58:17.940 --> 00:58:18.760
 that's a great question.

00:58:19.240 --> 00:58:19.700
 You know,

00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.559
 if you think about it,

00:58:22.740 --> 00:58:23.280
 hospitality

00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:26.700
 is a wonderful expression

00:58:26.700 --> 00:58:28.500
 of the gospel.

00:58:29.700 --> 00:58:30.780
 If we think about

00:58:30.780 --> 00:58:31.680
 what,

00:58:31.780 --> 00:58:32.780
 hospitality

00:58:32.780 --> 00:58:33.599
 is taking

00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:34.220
 the riches

00:58:34.220 --> 00:58:35.240
 that we have

00:58:35.240 --> 00:58:35.760
 and enjoy,

00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:36.500
 the joys

00:58:36.500 --> 00:58:37.159
 and the delights

00:58:37.159 --> 00:58:38.519
 that we have

00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:40.539
 in our family

00:58:40.539 --> 00:58:42.179
 and extending

00:58:42.179 --> 00:58:42.199
 and extending

00:58:42.199 --> 00:58:43.019
 those to others.

00:58:43.019 --> 00:58:44.739
 And is that not

00:58:44.739 --> 00:58:46.079
 what our salvation is?

00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:48.380
 There's the wonderful

00:58:48.380 --> 00:58:49.320
 mutual joy,

00:58:49.420 --> 00:58:50.759
 delights within the Trinity,

00:58:51.500 --> 00:58:53.619
 that rich dance

00:58:53.619 --> 00:58:54.480
 of love

00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:55.519
 and all this blessing.

00:58:56.099 --> 00:58:57.199
 And from that richness,

00:58:57.639 --> 00:58:58.960
 there is an extension

00:58:58.960 --> 00:58:59.659
 of that

00:58:59.659 --> 00:59:00.860
 and a welcoming in

00:59:00.860 --> 00:59:01.320
 of others

00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:02.400
 to enjoy that.

00:59:02.860 --> 00:59:04.119
 At great cost,

00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:05.219
 often hospitality,

00:59:05.619 --> 00:59:07.360
 costs us a lot

00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:08.460
 to extend

00:59:08.460 --> 00:59:09.460
 that gift

00:59:09.460 --> 00:59:10.099
 of welcome

00:59:10.099 --> 00:59:10.760
 and coming in

00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:11.760
 and to enjoy.

00:59:12.240 --> 00:59:12.620
 And again,

00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:14.260
 God,

00:59:14.360 --> 00:59:15.500
 at great cost

00:59:15.500 --> 00:59:16.420
 to himself,

00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:17.460
 extends

00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:19.140
 the richness

00:59:19.140 --> 00:59:20.160
 of the savor

00:59:20.160 --> 00:59:21.120
 that he enjoys

00:59:21.120 --> 00:59:22.800
 to us,

00:59:23.140 --> 00:59:23.820
 unworthy,

00:59:24.300 --> 00:59:25.400
 without respect

00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:26.500
 to our worthiness

00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:27.000
 of it.

00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:28.000
 And yes,

00:59:28.140 --> 00:59:28.539
 that's a,

00:59:29.099 --> 00:59:29.260
 yeah,

00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:30.360
 so it's a wonderful

00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:31.320
 and critical

00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:32.640
 picture

00:59:32.640 --> 00:59:34.220
 or expression

00:59:34.220 --> 00:59:35.220
 of the gospel.

00:59:35.700 --> 00:59:36.980
 So this should be

00:59:36.980 --> 00:59:38.240
 absolutely central.

00:59:38.720 --> 00:59:39.440
 And if you look

00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:40.740
 in the New Testament,

00:59:40.980 --> 00:59:42.880
 it is not distinct

00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:43.599
 from the Old Testament,

00:59:43.740 --> 00:59:44.400
 but reinforced

00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:45.260
 in the New Testament

00:59:45.260 --> 00:59:47.720
 how central this is.

00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:49.079
 For example,

00:59:49.660 --> 00:59:50.700
 an elder

00:59:50.700 --> 00:59:52.140
 needed to be given

00:59:52.140 --> 00:59:53.340
 to hospitality.

00:59:53.500 --> 00:59:54.140
 This is something

00:59:54.140 --> 00:59:55.059
 indispensable.

00:59:55.539 --> 00:59:56.340
 So whether or not

00:59:56.340 --> 00:59:57.420
 we think that we have

00:59:57.420 --> 00:59:58.220
 gifts in it,

00:59:58.579 --> 01:00:00.160
 it's commanded to do

01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:01.460
 because it is so central

01:00:01.460 --> 01:00:03.639
 to the gospel.

01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:04.679
 So,

01:00:05.519 --> 01:00:06.899
 and the joys in it

01:00:06.899 --> 01:00:07.379
 are wonderful,

01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:07.879
 aren't there?

01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:08.179
 It's,

01:00:08.779 --> 01:00:10.639
 we never quite know

01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:11.500
 how we're going

01:00:11.500 --> 01:00:11.960
 to be blessed

01:00:11.960 --> 01:00:12.460
 and entertaining.

01:00:12.619 --> 01:00:12.879
 Is it what,

01:00:12.940 --> 01:00:13.819
 Hebrews 13,

01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:14.739
 I think one,

01:00:14.899 --> 01:00:15.199
 maybe,

01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:16.779
 where I'm talking about,

01:00:17.079 --> 01:00:17.299
 hey,

01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.000
 keep offering hospitality

01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:20.480
 joyfully.

01:00:20.759 --> 01:00:21.379
 Who knows?

01:00:21.539 --> 01:00:22.839
 You may end up

01:00:22.839 --> 01:00:25.159
 entertaining angels

01:00:25.159 --> 01:00:25.940
 unaware.

01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:27.920
 There's always

01:00:27.920 --> 01:00:28.899
 a wonderful blessing

01:00:28.899 --> 01:00:30.099
 that comes to us too.

01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:31.319
 So,

01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:32.819
 yes.

01:00:33.019 --> 01:00:33.399
 Yes,

01:00:33.460 --> 01:00:33.719
 Tom.

01:00:33.719 --> 01:00:34.519
 So,

01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:35.539
 it's just

01:00:35.539 --> 01:00:36.279
 the grief

01:00:36.279 --> 01:00:37.639
 that some of these folks

01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:38.399
 went through

01:00:38.399 --> 01:00:39.559
 and it's stunning

01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:40.199
 and heartbreaking.

01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:41.219
 I was wondering

01:00:41.219 --> 01:00:42.019
 if you had any

01:00:42.019 --> 01:00:42.460
 impressions

01:00:42.460 --> 01:00:43.219
 on how they

01:00:43.219 --> 01:00:44.899
 handled that grief

01:00:44.899 --> 01:00:46.539
 and if,

01:00:46.899 --> 01:00:47.099
 you know,

01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:48.000
 there's cases

01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:48.759
 of them

01:00:48.759 --> 01:00:49.420
 where it just

01:00:49.420 --> 01:00:50.279
 wandered in

01:00:50.279 --> 01:00:50.920
 for decades.

01:00:51.179 --> 01:00:51.319
 Yeah.

01:00:51.319 --> 01:00:51.779
 Because sometimes,

01:00:52.339 --> 01:00:52.559
 you know,

01:00:52.619 --> 01:00:53.339
 it sounds like

01:00:53.339 --> 01:00:54.179
 when you hear the stories

01:00:54.179 --> 01:00:56.079
 that kind of got over it,

01:00:56.139 --> 01:00:56.940
 so to speak,

01:00:57.019 --> 01:00:58.179
 like a little crass,

01:00:58.299 --> 01:00:58.599
 and they're like,

01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:00.219
 I'm just wondering

01:01:00.219 --> 01:01:00.839
 what you're expecting

01:01:00.839 --> 01:01:01.380
 to do with that.

01:01:01.380 --> 01:01:02.059
 Yeah,

01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:02.780
 yeah.

01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:05.200
 It was,

01:01:05.320 --> 01:01:05.460
 I mean,

01:01:05.640 --> 01:01:06.900
 you just think of it,

01:01:07.019 --> 01:01:08.180
 it's just a wave

01:01:08.180 --> 01:01:09.660
 of all these woes.

01:01:10.240 --> 01:01:10.320
 You know,

01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:10.519
 how,

01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:12.380
 just unimaginable,

01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:14.599
 to bury your children.

01:01:14.980 --> 01:01:15.500
 It's got to be

01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:16.300
 one of the hardest,

01:01:16.460 --> 01:01:17.380
 hardest things.

01:01:17.380 --> 01:01:17.420
 things.

01:01:18.059 --> 01:01:19.539
 And some of it,

01:01:19.619 --> 01:01:20.460
 I think,

01:01:21.140 --> 01:01:22.760
 is they had

01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:24.480
 a profounder sense

01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:25.460
 than we often do,

01:01:25.660 --> 01:01:26.980
 certainly than I have,

01:01:27.680 --> 01:01:28.880
 as to what we expect

01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:29.400
 in life.

01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:30.900
 And they took

01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:31.960
 very seriously

01:01:31.960 --> 01:01:32.700
 the fact that

01:01:32.700 --> 01:01:33.660
 we are in

01:01:33.660 --> 01:01:34.880
 a fallen world.

01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:37.440
 And woes

01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:38.740
 will be the lot

01:01:38.740 --> 01:01:40.360
 of the children

01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:40.960
 of God.

01:01:41.660 --> 01:01:42.840
 Not distinct

01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:43.640
 from those

01:01:43.640 --> 01:01:45.260
 who are not believers.

01:01:45.260 --> 01:01:45.420
 believers.

01:01:45.960 --> 01:01:46.400
 Indeed,

01:01:46.740 --> 01:01:47.380
 it was their

01:01:47.380 --> 01:01:48.120
 expectation

01:01:48.120 --> 01:01:49.740
 that being believers,

01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:51.560
 our woes

01:01:51.560 --> 01:01:52.440
 will be greater

01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:54.420
 because we will not

01:01:54.420 --> 01:01:55.420
 be trying to avoid

01:01:55.420 --> 01:01:56.420
 them at all times.

01:01:56.900 --> 01:01:58.200
 We will wade in.

01:01:58.300 --> 01:01:59.180
 We are salt and light.

01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:00.040
 We need to bear

01:02:00.040 --> 01:02:00.540
 the burdens

01:02:00.540 --> 01:02:01.240
 of one another.

01:02:01.860 --> 01:02:02.520
 We go in

01:02:02.520 --> 01:02:03.680
 and try to carry them.

01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:04.520
 And so,

01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:06.220
 particularly for Christians

01:02:06.220 --> 01:02:06.780
 in this world,

01:02:06.880 --> 01:02:07.720
 you shall have

01:02:07.720 --> 01:02:08.980
 much tribulation.

01:02:09.660 --> 01:02:10.200
 And they,

01:02:10.300 --> 01:02:11.860
 they actually expected

01:02:11.860 --> 01:02:12.640
 that and counted

01:02:12.640 --> 01:02:13.200
 on that.

01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:14.039
 So,

01:02:14.419 --> 01:02:15.439
 it was actually true,

01:02:15.579 --> 01:02:16.199
 remember in Peter,

01:02:16.460 --> 01:02:16.759
 beloved,

01:02:17.179 --> 01:02:18.719
 don't be surprised

01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:20.000
 at the fiery ordeal

01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:20.399
 among you

01:02:20.399 --> 01:02:21.199
 that comes upon you

01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:21.759
 for your testing

01:02:21.759 --> 01:02:23.500
 as though some strange

01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:24.399
 thing were happening

01:02:24.399 --> 01:02:24.879
 to you.

01:02:25.539 --> 01:02:25.679
 So,

01:02:25.819 --> 01:02:26.399
 so that was when

01:02:26.399 --> 01:02:26.960
 they seemed

01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:27.480
 to,

01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:27.699
 to,

01:02:27.699 --> 01:02:28.219
 to,

01:02:28.219 --> 01:02:29.079
 to have a better

01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:29.679
 sense that

01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:31.259
 this is our

01:02:31.259 --> 01:02:32.019
 lot.

01:02:32.419 --> 01:02:32.859
 Uh,

01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:33.480
 uh,

01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:34.219
 then,

01:02:34.439 --> 01:02:35.000
 uh,

01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:35.679
 there is,

01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:36.000
 uh,

01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:36.259
 a,

01:02:36.259 --> 01:02:36.819
 a literature

01:02:36.819 --> 01:02:37.119
 that,

01:02:37.399 --> 01:02:37.539
 that,

01:02:37.799 --> 01:02:38.239
 that ends up

01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:38.659
 developing

01:02:38.659 --> 01:02:40.219
 during the Reformation.

01:02:40.219 --> 01:02:41.079
 There's a scholar

01:02:41.079 --> 01:02:42.079
 named Ron Ritkers

01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:42.960
 who's written a lot

01:02:42.960 --> 01:02:43.619
 on this

01:02:43.619 --> 01:02:44.719
 that just looks

01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:45.340
 at some of the,

01:02:45.340 --> 01:02:46.840
 the consolation

01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:47.400
 literature

01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:48.380
 and,

01:02:48.420 --> 01:02:48.619
 uh,

01:02:48.619 --> 01:02:49.299
 much of what

01:02:49.299 --> 01:02:49.719
 there is.

01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:50.360
 And,

01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:51.239
 and Catherine's

01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:51.960
 was a wonderful

01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:53.299
 example of it

01:02:53.299 --> 01:02:53.880
 where,

01:02:54.079 --> 01:02:54.779
 what do we do?

01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:55.360
 Well,

01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:56.219
 let's take

01:02:56.219 --> 01:02:57.599
 these wonderful

01:02:57.599 --> 01:02:59.079
 biblical truths

01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.380
 and let's make sure

01:03:01.380 --> 01:03:02.119
 that we are

01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:03.440
 building our house

01:03:03.440 --> 01:03:04.480
 on the rock

01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.239
 of these promises

01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:07.039
 of God.

01:03:07.420 --> 01:03:08.880
 And that is a

01:03:08.880 --> 01:03:09.539
 stability

01:03:09.539 --> 01:03:10.819
 in which we can stand.

01:03:10.820 --> 01:03:11.420
 And you remember

01:03:11.420 --> 01:03:12.280
 in Matthew 7,

01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:13.519
 23,

01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:14.340
 24,

01:03:15.059 --> 01:03:15.420
 uh,

01:03:15.860 --> 01:03:16.140
 uh,

01:03:16.140 --> 01:03:16.620
 that,

01:03:16.980 --> 01:03:17.280
 uh,

01:03:17.580 --> 01:03:19.019
 that the wise

01:03:19.019 --> 01:03:20.539
 one hears

01:03:20.539 --> 01:03:21.280
 these words of

01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:22.420
 mine and he

01:03:22.420 --> 01:03:23.080
 puts them into

01:03:23.080 --> 01:03:23.580
 practice.

01:03:23.720 --> 01:03:24.240
 They shall be

01:03:24.240 --> 01:03:25.180
 like one who

01:03:25.180 --> 01:03:25.880
 builds their house

01:03:25.880 --> 01:03:26.260
 on a rock

01:03:26.260 --> 01:03:27.440
 that when,

01:03:27.539 --> 01:03:28.100
 not if,

01:03:28.340 --> 01:03:29.780
 when the winds

01:03:29.780 --> 01:03:30.539
 and the rains

01:03:30.539 --> 01:03:31.140
 and the storms

01:03:31.140 --> 01:03:31.840
 batter against

01:03:31.840 --> 01:03:32.260
 the house

01:03:32.260 --> 01:03:32.800
 will stand

01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:33.160
 because it's

01:03:33.160 --> 01:03:33.780
 established on

01:03:33.780 --> 01:03:34.340
 the rock.

01:03:34.640 --> 01:03:35.980
 So there was

01:03:35.980 --> 01:03:36.600
 a sense that

01:03:36.600 --> 01:03:37.800
 we need,

01:03:37.800 --> 01:03:38.480
 uh,

01:03:38.480 --> 01:03:39.280
 to really be

01:03:39.280 --> 01:03:39.920
 building.

01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:40.920
 And a lot

01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:41.599
 of times

01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:42.519
 in,

01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:43.260
 uh,

01:03:43.460 --> 01:03:43.639
 they,

01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:43.960
 you,

01:03:44.180 --> 01:03:44.320
 they,

01:03:44.420 --> 01:03:45.340
 they did a

01:03:45.340 --> 01:03:46.059
 good job.

01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:47.260
 It seems Tom

01:03:47.260 --> 01:03:49.240
 always seeking

01:03:49.240 --> 01:03:49.599
 to,

01:03:49.700 --> 01:03:50.519
 to take in

01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:50.980
 the comfort

01:03:50.980 --> 01:03:51.659
 of those promises

01:03:51.659 --> 01:03:52.380
 and building

01:03:52.380 --> 01:03:53.460
 even in the

01:03:53.460 --> 01:03:54.119
 times that

01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:55.680
 weren't so

01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:56.139
 difficult,

01:03:56.139 --> 01:03:56.960
 knowing that

01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:57.280
 they will

01:03:57.280 --> 01:03:58.180
 surely come.

01:03:58.900 --> 01:03:59.139
 Uh,

01:03:59.139 --> 01:04:00.139
 so almost

01:04:00.139 --> 01:04:01.260
 like Joseph,

01:04:01.260 --> 01:04:01.920
 uh,

01:04:02.099 --> 01:04:02.360
 look,

01:04:02.720 --> 01:04:03.400
 what,

01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:03.820
 let's,

01:04:03.940 --> 01:04:04.700
 let's harvest

01:04:04.700 --> 01:04:05.119
 some of the

01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:05.800
 fat years

01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:07.100
 for lean

01:04:07.100 --> 01:04:07.800
 years will

01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:08.480
 be coming

01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:09.640
 and that

01:04:09.640 --> 01:04:10.039
 sort of

01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:10.440
 practice.

01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:11.100
 So if we

01:04:11.100 --> 01:04:12.240
 wait to try

01:04:12.240 --> 01:04:12.840
 to reach out

01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:13.280
 and grab

01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:14.240
 the consolation

01:04:14.240 --> 01:04:14.800
 of the word

01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:15.740
 when we are

01:04:15.740 --> 01:04:16.060
 in our

01:04:16.060 --> 01:04:16.500
 distress,

01:04:17.500 --> 01:04:18.900
 that often

01:04:18.900 --> 01:04:20.080
 seems too

01:04:20.080 --> 01:04:20.380
 late.

01:04:20.480 --> 01:04:20.920
 We really

01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:21.420
 need to be

01:04:21.420 --> 01:04:22.160
 building that

01:04:22.160 --> 01:04:22.980
 fortification

01:04:22.980 --> 01:04:24.100
 for when

01:04:24.100 --> 01:04:24.740
 those times

01:04:24.740 --> 01:04:25.340
 will come.

01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:25.920
 And they

01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:26.500
 seem to have

01:04:26.500 --> 01:04:26.980
 been good

01:04:26.980 --> 01:04:27.380
 at,

01:04:27.539 --> 01:04:28.380
 at that.

01:04:28.820 --> 01:04:29.140
 Uh,

01:04:29.140 --> 01:04:29.960
 they also

01:04:29.960 --> 01:04:30.539
 seem to be

01:04:30.539 --> 01:04:31.260
 really willing

01:04:31.260 --> 01:04:32.200
 to share.

01:04:32.580 --> 01:04:32.860
 Did you

01:04:32.860 --> 01:04:33.540
 notice how

01:04:33.540 --> 01:04:34.680
 they,

01:04:34.820 --> 01:04:35.660
 they weren't

01:04:35.660 --> 01:04:36.320
 isolated.

01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:37.520
 They weren't

01:04:37.520 --> 01:04:38.140
 even isolated

01:04:38.140 --> 01:04:38.420
 in their

01:04:38.420 --> 01:04:38.820
 marriage.

01:04:38.940 --> 01:04:39.060
 You know,

01:04:39.080 --> 01:04:39.360
 oh my

01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:39.640
 goodness,

01:04:39.720 --> 01:04:40.160
 your husband

01:04:40.160 --> 01:04:40.520
 died.

01:04:40.620 --> 01:04:40.760
 Well,

01:04:40.840 --> 01:04:40.980
 I,

01:04:41.120 --> 01:04:41.380
 here,

01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:41.860
 I have a

01:04:41.860 --> 01:04:42.040
 husband.

01:04:42.140 --> 01:04:42.500
 I'm about

01:04:42.500 --> 01:04:42.900
 to die.

01:04:42.980 --> 01:04:43.100
 Here,

01:04:43.160 --> 01:04:43.520
 you have

01:04:43.520 --> 01:04:43.800
 him.

01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:44.840
 I mean,

01:04:45.080 --> 01:04:46.340
 they really

01:04:46.340 --> 01:04:46.980
 are,

01:04:47.500 --> 01:04:48.340
 they,

01:04:48.380 --> 01:04:49.160
 they're in

01:04:49.160 --> 01:04:50.400
 a common,

01:04:50.520 --> 01:04:51.560
 common lot

01:04:51.560 --> 01:04:51.800
 and they

01:04:51.800 --> 01:04:52.540
 really are

01:04:52.540 --> 01:04:53.540
 seeking to

01:04:53.540 --> 01:04:54.560
 lean in to

01:04:54.560 --> 01:04:54.980
 bear one

01:04:54.980 --> 01:04:55.360
 another's

01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:55.760
 burdens.

01:04:56.200 --> 01:04:56.720
 And I

01:04:56.720 --> 01:04:57.120
 think that

01:04:57.120 --> 01:04:57.540
 this is,

01:04:57.640 --> 01:04:58.300
 this is really

01:04:58.300 --> 01:04:58.940
 critical and

01:04:58.940 --> 01:04:59.500
 we ought not

01:04:59.500 --> 01:05:00.440
 to think that

01:05:00.440 --> 01:05:01.020
 the measure of

01:05:01.019 --> 01:05:01.880
 our strength

01:05:01.880 --> 01:05:02.679
 is our

01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:03.239
 ability to

01:05:03.239 --> 01:05:03.659
 take all

01:05:03.659 --> 01:05:03.980
 of these

01:05:03.980 --> 01:05:05.139
 things alone

01:05:05.139 --> 01:05:06.199
 in an

01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:06.920
 isolated way.

01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:07.440
 But,

01:05:07.559 --> 01:05:08.119
 but to,

01:05:08.179 --> 01:05:08.699
 to share

01:05:08.699 --> 01:05:09.099
 and bear

01:05:09.099 --> 01:05:09.820
 one another's

01:05:09.820 --> 01:05:10.239
 burdens and

01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:10.820
 to be involved

01:05:10.820 --> 01:05:11.119
 in each

01:05:11.119 --> 01:05:11.920
 other's lives.

01:05:12.219 --> 01:05:12.699
 So,

01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:13.380
 and they

01:05:13.380 --> 01:05:13.820
 seem to

01:05:13.820 --> 01:05:14.199
 have done

01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:14.940
 that well

01:05:14.940 --> 01:05:15.820
 as even

01:05:15.820 --> 01:05:16.380
 evidenced by

01:05:16.380 --> 01:05:16.639
 some of

01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:17.380
 these stories.

01:05:17.980 --> 01:05:18.460
 Yeah.

01:05:18.840 --> 01:05:19.239
 Yeah.

01:05:21.639 --> 01:05:22.500
 Your comment

01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:23.119
 about Martin

01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:23.800
 Luther not

01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:24.840
 shaking the

01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:25.920
 hand of

01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:27.340
 the,

01:05:27.659 --> 01:05:28.079
 Zingley,

01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:28.420
 yep.

01:05:28.519 --> 01:05:29.179
 Zingley over

01:05:29.179 --> 01:05:29.679
 the Lord's

01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:29.900
 Supper.

01:05:29.940 --> 01:05:30.079
 Yep.

01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:31.159
 I think

01:05:31.159 --> 01:05:31.539
 about

01:05:31.539 --> 01:05:32.400
 Edwards'

01:05:32.659 --> 01:05:33.059
 community

01:05:33.059 --> 01:05:33.719
 controversy

01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:34.019
 where

01:05:34.019 --> 01:05:34.420
 sometimes

01:05:34.420 --> 01:05:34.900
 secondary

01:05:34.900 --> 01:05:35.360
 matters

01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:36.340
 become

01:05:36.340 --> 01:05:36.900
 primary

01:05:36.900 --> 01:05:37.279
 court.

01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:37.679
 Yep.

01:05:38.099 --> 01:05:38.819
 Or Edwards,

01:05:38.980 --> 01:05:39.279
 Bar,

01:05:39.380 --> 01:05:39.940
 unbelievers,

01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:40.460
 the Lord's

01:05:40.460 --> 01:05:40.739
 table.

01:05:40.960 --> 01:05:41.099
 Yep.

01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:43.579
 What would

01:05:43.579 --> 01:05:44.039
 you say

01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:44.440
 would be

01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:45.239
 an appropriate

01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:45.799
 circumstance

01:05:45.799 --> 01:05:46.659
 where a

01:05:46.659 --> 01:05:47.019
 secondary

01:05:47.019 --> 01:05:47.420
 matter

01:05:47.420 --> 01:05:48.779
 should take

01:05:48.779 --> 01:05:49.179
 primary

01:05:49.179 --> 01:05:49.519
 court?

01:05:49.860 --> 01:05:50.059
 So,

01:05:50.179 --> 01:05:50.360
 I think

01:05:50.360 --> 01:05:50.619
 you want

01:05:50.619 --> 01:05:50.860
 to tell

01:05:50.860 --> 01:05:51.039
 us,

01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:51.400
 you want

01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:52.400
 to affirm

01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:52.619
 our

01:05:52.619 --> 01:05:53.500
 privateary

01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:53.940
 brother and

01:05:53.940 --> 01:05:54.199
 sister,

01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:54.659
 the Lord

01:05:54.659 --> 01:05:55.019
 Christ,

01:05:55.259 --> 01:05:55.500
 the Lord

01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:55.840
 Bible.

01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:57.579
 when should

01:05:57.579 --> 01:05:59.120
 those

01:05:59.120 --> 01:05:59.720
 secondary

01:05:59.720 --> 01:06:00.180
 matters

01:06:00.180 --> 01:06:00.740
 become

01:06:00.740 --> 01:06:01.440
 primary

01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:01.900
 courts?

01:06:02.780 --> 01:06:03.000
 Yeah,

01:06:03.420 --> 01:06:03.720
 yeah.

01:06:05.180 --> 01:06:05.820
 Great,

01:06:05.900 --> 01:06:06.579
 great question.

01:06:06.980 --> 01:06:07.360
 Challenging

01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:07.660
 one.

01:06:09.300 --> 01:06:10.260
 I think

01:06:10.260 --> 01:06:10.800
 one,

01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:11.420
 I think I'd

01:06:11.420 --> 01:06:11.860
 want to say

01:06:11.860 --> 01:06:12.280
 it first,

01:06:12.600 --> 01:06:13.100
 I think we

01:06:13.100 --> 01:06:13.880
 should always

01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:14.460
 keep a

01:06:14.460 --> 01:06:14.940
 distinction

01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:16.579
 between

01:06:16.579 --> 01:06:17.300
 primary and

01:06:17.300 --> 01:06:17.620
 secondary

01:06:17.620 --> 01:06:18.140
 matters.

01:06:18.139 --> 01:06:19.139
 secondary

01:06:19.139 --> 01:06:19.699
 matters.

01:06:19.699 --> 01:06:19.819
 So,

01:06:20.019 --> 01:06:20.400
 when you

01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:21.259
 say sometimes

01:06:21.259 --> 01:06:21.940
 a secondary

01:06:21.940 --> 01:06:22.699
 matter might

01:06:22.699 --> 01:06:23.599
 function as

01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:24.019
 a primary

01:06:24.019 --> 01:06:24.319
 matter,

01:06:24.599 --> 01:06:24.980
 I don't

01:06:24.980 --> 01:06:25.199
 know that

01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:25.460
 that would

01:06:25.460 --> 01:06:25.659
 be the

01:06:25.659 --> 01:06:26.000
 best way

01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:26.259
 to put

01:06:26.259 --> 01:06:26.359
 it,

01:06:26.400 --> 01:06:26.659
 because that

01:06:26.659 --> 01:06:27.099
 could then

01:06:27.099 --> 01:06:28.219
 blur that

01:06:28.219 --> 01:06:28.659
 there is a

01:06:28.659 --> 01:06:29.099
 distinction

01:06:29.099 --> 01:06:29.559
 between

01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:30.599
 primary and

01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:31.059
 secondary

01:06:31.059 --> 01:06:31.599
 matters.

01:06:32.259 --> 01:06:32.480
 So,

01:06:32.559 --> 01:06:33.599
 maybe what

01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:34.359
 you're asking

01:06:34.359 --> 01:06:34.739
 is,

01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:35.879
 when do

01:06:35.879 --> 01:06:36.559
 secondary

01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:37.019
 matters

01:06:37.019 --> 01:06:37.779
 actually come

01:06:37.779 --> 01:06:38.319
 to be of

01:06:38.319 --> 01:06:38.779
 some

01:06:38.779 --> 01:06:40.799
 importance

01:06:40.799 --> 01:06:41.279
 that we

01:06:41.279 --> 01:06:41.619
 would want

01:06:41.619 --> 01:06:41.920
 to give

01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:42.699
 them expression

01:06:42.699 --> 01:06:43.819
 and not

01:06:43.819 --> 01:06:44.239
 just say,

01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:44.579
 oh,

01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:44.719
 well,

01:06:44.719 --> 01:06:45.099
 they don't

01:06:45.099 --> 01:06:45.659
 matter because

01:06:45.659 --> 01:06:45.879
 they're

01:06:45.879 --> 01:06:46.299
 secondary.

01:06:46.300 --> 01:06:46.460
 secondary.

01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:47.560
 And I

01:06:47.560 --> 01:06:48.480
 think in

01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:48.900
 those,

01:06:49.720 --> 01:06:50.240
 there are

01:06:50.240 --> 01:06:50.820
 times we

01:06:50.820 --> 01:06:51.080
 think,

01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:51.519
 well,

01:06:51.580 --> 01:06:51.920
 actually,

01:06:52.200 --> 01:06:52.740
 this is

01:06:52.740 --> 01:06:53.180
 where we

01:06:53.180 --> 01:06:53.620
 want to

01:06:53.620 --> 01:06:54.360
 give expression

01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:54.640
 to the

01:06:54.640 --> 01:06:55.100
 faithfulness

01:06:55.100 --> 01:06:55.560
 of God.

01:06:56.080 --> 01:06:56.280
 So,

01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:56.860
 for example,

01:06:57.160 --> 01:06:58.039
 in this

01:06:58.039 --> 01:06:59.000
 church,

01:06:59.180 --> 01:06:59.980
 we think

01:06:59.980 --> 01:07:01.140
 that a

01:07:01.140 --> 01:07:01.860
 faithful

01:07:01.860 --> 01:07:03.760
 expression

01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:04.140
 to the

01:07:04.140 --> 01:07:04.620
 truth of

01:07:04.620 --> 01:07:05.000
 God

01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:06.480
 is in

01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:06.940
 baptism,

01:07:07.300 --> 01:07:07.500
 in

01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:08.060
 believer's

01:07:08.060 --> 01:07:08.539
 baptism,

01:07:08.940 --> 01:07:09.380
 where

01:07:09.380 --> 01:07:10.680
 faith and

01:07:10.680 --> 01:07:11.720
 baptism are

01:07:11.720 --> 01:07:12.360
 united and

01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:13.300
 not separated,

01:07:13.720 --> 01:07:14.100
 because it

01:07:14.100 --> 01:07:14.640
 seems like the

01:07:14.640 --> 01:07:15.360
 scripture links

01:07:15.360 --> 01:07:16.160
 those things.

01:07:16.300 --> 01:07:17.080
 Whereas infant

01:07:17.080 --> 01:07:18.100
 baptism pulls

01:07:18.100 --> 01:07:18.720
 them apart.

01:07:20.100 --> 01:07:20.620
 So,

01:07:20.740 --> 01:07:21.039
 we think,

01:07:21.260 --> 01:07:21.360
 hey,

01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:21.700
 that's an

01:07:21.700 --> 01:07:22.560
 important expression.

01:07:22.820 --> 01:07:23.340
 We recognize

01:07:23.340 --> 01:07:23.880
 that it's not

01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:24.260
 primary.

01:07:24.380 --> 01:07:24.820
 We welcome

01:07:24.820 --> 01:07:25.360
 people into

01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:25.720
 fellowship,

01:07:26.140 --> 01:07:26.600
 but we

01:07:26.600 --> 01:07:29.060
 practice that

01:07:29.060 --> 01:07:29.980
 truth here in

01:07:29.980 --> 01:07:30.620
 this congregation,

01:07:31.060 --> 01:07:31.700
 following our

01:07:31.700 --> 01:07:32.500
 conscience and

01:07:32.500 --> 01:07:33.200
 in good conscience

01:07:33.200 --> 01:07:33.980
 and happy to

01:07:33.980 --> 01:07:34.420
 do so.

01:07:34.700 --> 01:07:34.900
 So,

01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:35.460
 we do give

01:07:35.460 --> 01:07:37.200
 it importance,

01:07:37.560 --> 01:07:37.800
 but we

01:07:37.800 --> 01:07:39.120
 recognize that

01:07:39.120 --> 01:07:39.640
 that doesn't

01:07:39.640 --> 01:07:40.280
 mean that a

01:07:40.280 --> 01:07:40.820
 person cannot

01:07:40.820 --> 01:07:41.800
 fellowship with

01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:42.780
 us and we

01:07:42.780 --> 01:07:43.560
 receive them as

01:07:43.560 --> 01:07:44.519
 sisters and

01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:45.100
 brothers.

01:07:45.099 --> 01:07:45.759
 we just

01:07:45.759 --> 01:07:46.239
 follow our

01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:46.839
 conscience in

01:07:46.839 --> 01:07:47.819
 this matter,

01:07:48.219 --> 01:07:48.980
 hopefully always

01:07:48.980 --> 01:07:49.659
 with charity.

01:07:50.739 --> 01:07:50.860
 So,

01:07:51.319 --> 01:07:51.639
 and there'd

01:07:51.639 --> 01:07:52.099
 be all kinds

01:07:52.099 --> 01:07:52.400
 of other

01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:53.239
 illustrations or

01:07:53.239 --> 01:07:53.599
 examples,

01:07:53.779 --> 01:07:54.099
 but we can

01:07:54.099 --> 01:07:54.539
 talk a little

01:07:54.539 --> 01:07:54.860
 bit more

01:07:54.860 --> 01:07:55.380
 later about

01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:55.980
 particulars.

01:07:56.259 --> 01:07:56.279
 But,

01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:56.659
 yeah,

01:07:56.839 --> 01:07:57.099
 yeah.

01:07:58.019 --> 01:07:58.500
 Sure.

01:07:58.500 --> 01:07:59.280
 Thank you so

01:07:59.280 --> 01:07:59.699
 much for

01:07:59.699 --> 01:08:00.199
 sharing the

01:08:00.199 --> 01:08:00.840
 stories of

01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:01.500
 these really

01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:02.159
 remarkable

01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:02.579
 things.

01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:04.539
 It seems

01:08:04.539 --> 01:08:04.980
 quite a

01:08:04.980 --> 01:08:05.500
 monumental

01:08:05.500 --> 01:08:06.360
 task to

01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:07.139
 be looking

01:08:07.139 --> 01:08:07.800
 after so

01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:08.139
 many,

01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:08.719
 this many

01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:09.179
 children,

01:08:09.460 --> 01:08:09.920
 visiting the

01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:10.380
 leprosy

01:08:10.380 --> 01:08:11.000
 ridden and

01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:12.400
 incarcerated and

01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:13.820
 providing comments

01:08:13.820 --> 01:08:14.579
 on, like,

01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:15.420
 hospital care.

01:08:15.420 --> 01:08:17.680
 you mentioned

01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:18.619
 that they had a

01:08:18.619 --> 01:08:19.199
 network of

01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:19.940
 support amongst

01:08:19.940 --> 01:08:20.520
 themselves.

01:08:21.520 --> 01:08:22.300
 Was there a

01:08:22.300 --> 01:08:23.640
 sense that their

01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.300
 husbands lifted a

01:08:26.300 --> 01:08:27.020
 finger to help

01:08:27.020 --> 01:08:27.840
 them in these

01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:29.020
 tasks, like

01:08:29.020 --> 01:08:29.619
 visiting the

01:08:29.619 --> 01:08:30.359
 sick, visiting

01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:31.000
 the imprisoned?

01:08:31.000 --> 01:08:32.180
 Yes, they

01:08:32.180 --> 01:08:33.539
 definitely did,

01:08:33.779 --> 01:08:34.239
 and that was

01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:35.260
 considered part of

01:08:35.260 --> 01:08:36.720
 pastoral care.

01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:40.479
 And even

01:08:40.479 --> 01:08:43.859
 domestic duties,

01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:46.859
 we might imagine

01:08:46.859 --> 01:08:47.380
 that this is

01:08:47.380 --> 01:08:47.619
 kind of

01:08:47.619 --> 01:08:48.039
 traditional,

01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:49.420
 but in one

01:08:49.420 --> 01:08:50.119
 sense,

01:08:52.220 --> 01:08:53.039
 there were,

01:08:54.300 --> 01:08:55.319
 the scriptures

01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:56.500
 were kind of

01:08:56.500 --> 01:08:57.380
 coming into

01:08:57.380 --> 01:08:58.920
 fresh prominence,

01:08:59.159 --> 01:08:59.760
 and these

01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:00.500
 reformers were

01:09:00.500 --> 01:09:00.979
 really trying to

01:09:00.979 --> 01:09:01.519
 engage with the

01:09:01.519 --> 01:09:02.059
 scriptures to

01:09:02.059 --> 01:09:02.500
 figure out,

01:09:02.799 --> 01:09:03.799
 well, what does

01:09:03.799 --> 01:09:04.939
 this look like?

01:09:05.259 --> 01:09:06.159
 And family

01:09:06.159 --> 01:09:07.739
 life for

01:09:07.739 --> 01:09:10.119
 ministers, for

01:09:10.119 --> 01:09:11.359
 pastors, this

01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:11.899
 was a new

01:09:11.899 --> 01:09:12.299
 thing.

01:09:12.959 --> 01:09:13.519
 Because otherwise,

01:09:13.719 --> 01:09:14.319
 you just had

01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:15.099
 clerical celibacy

01:09:15.099 --> 01:09:16.059
 before then in the

01:09:16.059 --> 01:09:16.399
 Roman Catholic

01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:16.679
 Church.

01:09:16.939 --> 01:09:17.339
 So they were

01:09:17.339 --> 01:09:17.859
 coming to

01:09:17.859 --> 01:09:18.199
 scripture to

01:09:18.199 --> 01:09:18.439
 feel like,

01:09:18.599 --> 01:09:18.899
 well, what does

01:09:18.899 --> 01:09:19.579
 this look like?

01:09:20.199 --> 01:09:21.379
 And many of

01:09:21.379 --> 01:09:22.579
 them concluded,

01:09:22.939 --> 01:09:24.079
 hey, we need to

01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:24.659
 love our wives,

01:09:24.699 --> 01:09:25.319
 is what it says,

01:09:25.379 --> 01:09:25.899
 we need to help

01:09:25.899 --> 01:09:26.199
 them in this

01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:26.459
 way.

01:09:26.659 --> 01:09:28.759
 So Martin

01:09:28.759 --> 01:09:29.139
 Luther,

01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:30.599
 changed

01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:31.039
 diapers.

01:09:32.180 --> 01:09:32.400
 Martin

01:09:32.400 --> 01:09:32.560
 Luther,

01:09:32.660 --> 01:09:32.860
 changed

01:09:32.860 --> 01:09:33.200
 diapers.

01:09:33.620 --> 01:09:33.980
 He didn't

01:09:33.980 --> 01:09:34.440
 say, hey,

01:09:34.539 --> 01:09:35.420
 that's

01:09:35.420 --> 01:09:35.940
 Catherine's

01:09:35.940 --> 01:09:36.120
 thing.

01:09:38.039 --> 01:09:38.600
 Many of

01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:38.980
 these men

01:09:38.980 --> 01:09:40.820
 were extremely

01:09:40.820 --> 01:09:41.579
 helpful, and

01:09:41.579 --> 01:09:42.440
 they kind of

01:09:42.440 --> 01:09:43.200
 saw it in

01:09:43.200 --> 01:09:44.140
 terms of, okay,

01:09:44.220 --> 01:09:44.720
 how do we

01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:45.240
 survive?

01:09:47.079 --> 01:09:47.900
 How can we

01:09:47.900 --> 01:09:48.860
 each bring our

01:09:48.860 --> 01:09:50.180
 best to bear to

01:09:50.180 --> 01:09:51.079
 the extent that

01:09:51.079 --> 01:09:52.039
 we can do

01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:52.539
 this?

01:09:52.539 --> 01:09:52.640
 things?

01:09:53.180 --> 01:09:54.659
 And there

01:09:54.659 --> 01:09:57.260
 wasn't always

01:09:57.260 --> 01:09:58.640
 and even

01:09:58.640 --> 01:09:59.960
 typically clear

01:09:59.960 --> 01:10:01.359
 roles established.

01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:02.159
 That tends to

01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:02.560
 come a lot

01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:02.939
 later.

01:10:03.319 --> 01:10:03.659
 When you've

01:10:03.659 --> 01:10:04.220
 got frontier

01:10:04.220 --> 01:10:05.199
 time, when

01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:05.479
 you're figuring

01:10:05.479 --> 01:10:05.899
 out what does

01:10:05.899 --> 01:10:06.519
 it look like

01:10:06.519 --> 01:10:08.220
 to have a new

01:10:08.220 --> 01:10:09.319
 family as a

01:10:09.319 --> 01:10:10.720
 pastor, it's

01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:11.500
 improvisational.

01:10:12.060 --> 01:10:12.680
 And a lot of

01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:13.319
 times it's so

01:10:13.319 --> 01:10:13.960
 challenging, you're

01:10:13.960 --> 01:10:14.300
 just thinking,

01:10:14.460 --> 01:10:15.920
 what do we do

01:10:15.920 --> 01:10:16.479
 to survive?

01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:17.260
 We're making

01:10:17.260 --> 01:10:17.899
 this up as we

01:10:17.899 --> 01:10:18.420
 go along.

01:10:18.420 --> 01:10:19.880
 So you don't

01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:20.600
 see as many of

01:10:20.600 --> 01:10:21.060
 the traditional

01:10:21.060 --> 01:10:21.840
 roles in this

01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:22.720
 first generation.

01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:25.319
 You almost need

01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:26.680
 to wait for

01:10:26.680 --> 01:10:27.619
 custom to

01:10:27.619 --> 01:10:28.779
 kind of begin

01:10:28.779 --> 01:10:30.319
 to take shape.

01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:30.980
 So they're

01:10:30.980 --> 01:10:31.600
 pretty creative,

01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:32.260
 frankly.

01:10:33.140 --> 01:10:39.440
 Yeah, that's

01:10:39.440 --> 01:10:40.779
 certainly true.

01:10:41.319 --> 01:10:42.720
 And, you

01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:43.859
 know, I

01:10:43.859 --> 01:10:45.060
 just see

01:10:45.060 --> 01:10:46.899
 a

01:10:46.899 --> 01:10:48.759
 willingness

01:10:48.759 --> 01:10:49.579
 on both

01:10:49.579 --> 01:10:51.019
 part to

01:10:51.019 --> 01:10:53.500
 do what

01:10:53.500 --> 01:10:54.000
 needed to

01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:54.500
 be done.

01:10:55.420 --> 01:10:55.939
 To

01:10:55.939 --> 01:10:58.019
 take care of

01:10:58.019 --> 01:10:58.639
 our families

01:10:58.639 --> 01:10:59.719
 well and to

01:10:59.719 --> 01:11:00.139
 take care of

01:11:00.139 --> 01:11:00.739
 other people's

01:11:00.739 --> 01:11:01.519
 families well and

01:11:01.519 --> 01:11:02.000
 to take care of

01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:02.359
 the poor.

01:11:02.759 --> 01:11:03.420
 And we just do

01:11:03.420 --> 01:11:04.539
 what we can do

01:11:04.539 --> 01:11:05.479
 according to our

01:11:05.479 --> 01:11:07.059
 gifts, according

01:11:07.059 --> 01:11:08.119
 to some callings,

01:11:08.759 --> 01:11:11.139
 and as the

01:11:11.139 --> 01:11:11.779
 Lord provides

01:11:11.779 --> 01:11:12.460
 strength.

01:11:13.519 --> 01:11:14.099
 And it

01:11:14.099 --> 01:11:15.059
 looks really

01:11:15.059 --> 01:11:15.879
 different from

01:11:15.879 --> 01:11:16.559
 different people

01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:17.940
 not a lot of

01:11:17.940 --> 01:11:19.320
 clear, you

01:11:19.320 --> 01:11:19.620
 know, in this

01:11:19.620 --> 01:11:20.560
 first generation,

01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:22.420
 not a lot of

01:11:22.420 --> 01:11:23.260
 clear patterns yet

01:11:23.260 --> 01:11:23.620
 because they're

01:11:23.620 --> 01:11:24.620
 making stuff up

01:11:24.620 --> 01:11:25.680
 as they go along.

01:11:25.820 --> 01:11:26.400
 It's kind of new.

01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:27.580
 It's a new time.

01:11:28.140 --> 01:11:28.300
 Yeah.

01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:29.120
 Yeah.

01:11:31.200 --> 01:11:31.840
 I think we

01:11:31.840 --> 01:11:32.460
 probably better

01:11:32.460 --> 01:11:33.600
 conclude.

01:11:34.120 --> 01:11:34.660
 Well, thank you,

01:11:34.740 --> 01:11:34.980
 team.

01:11:35.120 --> 01:11:35.800
 And if you're

01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:36.300
 able to make it,

01:11:36.340 --> 01:11:36.720
 we'll see you

01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:37.160
 next week,

01:11:37.220 --> 01:11:37.620
 Lord willing.

01:11:37.620 --> 01:11:38.120
 Yeah.

01:11:38.120 --> 01:11:38.180
 Yeah.

01:11:38.180 --> 01:11:38.300
 Yeah.

01:11:38.300 --> 01:11:38.400
 Yeah.

01:11:38.400 --> 01:11:38.500
 Yeah.

01:11:38.500 --> 01:11:39.000
 Yeah.

01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:39.100
 Yeah.

01:11:39.100 --> 01:11:40.260
 Yeah.

01:11:40.260 --> 01:11:40.300
 Yeah.

01:11:40.300 --> 01:11:40.320
 Yeah.

01:11:40.320 --> 01:11:40.340
 Yeah.

01:11:40.340 --> 01:11:40.380
 Yeah.

01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:40.440
 Yeah.

01:11:40.440 --> 01:11:40.500
 Yeah.

01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:41.000
 Yeah.

01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:41.020
 Yeah.

01:11:41.020 --> 01:11:42.140
 Yeah.

01:11:42.140 --> 01:11:42.180
 Yeah.

01:11:42.180 --> 01:11:42.280
 Yeah.

01:11:42.280 --> 01:11:42.320
 Yeah.

01:11:42.320 --> 01:11:42.360
 Yeah.

01:11:42.360 --> 01:11:42.380
 Yeah.

01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:46.539
 Yeah.