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 All right. Okay, let's pray. Lord, we thank you for gathering us as your people, and we just ask

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 now that you would help us to be counselors, counselors to one another, to receive counseling

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 as well, that you would give us the humility to know how much we need it and give us the love to

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 give it. And so we pray that in Christ's name. Amen. So counseling and psychotherapy, everybody

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 in here will know, counseling and psychotherapy are far more popular than they've ever been.

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 So people are going for counseling, going for psychotherapy far more today in January 2025

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 than ever before in human history. And professional counseling is such a gift and a good quite often.

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 And so we need trained practitioners who are capable of evaluating and diagnosing and prescribing care

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 to the mental and corroborated physical problems that we have that lead to mental health issues

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 and behavioral issues, right? So these things are really good. We need this. Biblical counseling

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 is a discipline, is a practice that is in no way opposed to professional counseling or professional

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 psychotherapy, not at all. But biblical counseling is a Christian idea that really emphasizes the role

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 of counseling and discipleship. So it's just an aspect of our discipleship. And it's an aspect of

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 discipleship that's trying to hone in on the normalness of counseling in everyday ordinary life

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 amongst Christians that we already do. And so biblical counseling in its oldest form is just a more

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 concrete and more organized way of talking about a mom and her daughter's relationship,

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 a sister and a sister, a dad and a son, a friend and a friend, right? We all have relationships of

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 different kinds, siblings, family members, friendships, and we all do something like counseling with each

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 other. And so all we're talking about in this series is not, will you go and be a counselor? But

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 because you are one, are you doing it well? Are you doing it and bringing at times foolish

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 counsel, harmful counsel to people? So the Bible assumes that if you're a Christian, especially, but

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 humans, period, by way of our basic anthropology of what we are, we are counselors. We have to be,

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 right? We are giving counsel all the time. And so the question here is how are we doing with it?

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 And so one of the things to say is like evangelism, counseling needs to be deprofessionalized,

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 not exclusively deprofessionalized, but we need to acknowledge the normalness of it

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 in everyday life more and more. And we need to really focus on that. So in the first, in your handout,

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 the very first passage, Ephesians 4, 11 to 12, just to highlight this, so Christ gave

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 the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors, the teachers. So he lists these offices

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 that Jesus, these gifts that Jesus gives the church. So there are in the church, talked about

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 this with our cohort group last night, there are people who are particularly gifted by the Holy

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 Spirit to be evangelists and should be. And then in addition to that, what's the very next verse?

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 The very next verse says in verse 12 that he did that, he gives these gifts to equip everybody

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 to do it too. And so in the same way, the deprofessionalization of evangelism, there need

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 to be professional evangelists, career evangelists, so that they can help everybody evangelize.

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 There need to be professional counselors and professional biblical counselors so that they

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 can help everybody with counseling because we all have to do it and we all need to be doing

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 it in our daily lives. So Richard Baxter, he's a 17th century Puritan, English Puritan pastor,

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 very famous pastor in the 1600s. And he said, counseling is for resolving our doubts, for help

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 against our sins, for direction in our duties, and for an increase in the knowledge of saving grace.

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 So he said, counseling is just the normal kind of whoop and woof of everyday relationships between

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 Christians. It should be the norm for our Christian relationships. And so, you know, when somebody in

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 your life helps remind you that you are saved by grace, not your performance, that is Christian

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 counseling. When somebody in your life helps you move from doubt about the existence of God to a

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 measure of certainty, that is Christian counseling. When somebody in your life wants to help you work on

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 your anxiety through the lens of the gospel, that is biblical or Christian counseling. So that's the

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 kind of stuff we're talking about. So we'll get more specific than that, but another word to use in

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 the place of counseling is just pastoral care. That's been a more consistent word in our tradition

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 that we've used, pastoral care. So let me ask you, as we get started on this and look at it in some

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 detail, are we, are you, are we actively looking in love to care for the people in our lives that God has

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 given us? Are you, are we actively, consciously looking in love and humility to care for the people God has

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 put in our lives through counseling them? The tight-knit, close relationships, are they underdeveloped?

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 Have you really dove in on the relationships God has potentially given you that are tight and close-knit

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 between Christians to develop that relationship into what the Bible calls it to be, which is a

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 relationship of deep counseling with one another, walking with one another. So that, that's what

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 we're working on. Now, personal testimony story. When I finished seminary, I, maybe, maybe this will be

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 a surprise to you, but I, I was excited. I could get excited about theology. I could get excited about

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 biblical exegesis, drawing meaning out of passages. I could get excited about reading about Greco-Roman

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 contexts, and I could get excited about all these sorts of things. But then when I went to the first

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 ministerial job I had to do, I realized that about 70 percent was counseling. And I quickly realized

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 that I had no clue what to say to anybody about anything. I could talk to them about the Greco-Roman

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 context of Matthew, but I, I struggled to know what to say when things got hard and heavy.

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 And of course, that's still the case to some degree. We all have that, right, to some degree.

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 But I realized that my seminary experience did not prepare me for that side of ministry at all.

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 Not really. We had about a half semester on it. And that still happens to all of us. But that's what

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 we're trying to do is actually say that, who's had that experience, right, where you don't know what

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 to say, and you really struggle, and you feel like, man, I should be loving them a lot better in this,

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 and I don't know what to do. I'm timid. I'm afraid, right? And so that's what we're thinking about.

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 Another way to say it is what we're talking about in here is the slow, slow form of, of seeking deep

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 change in our lives. So this is not just something directed at other people, but biblical counseling

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 and thinking about it is a way to look at yourself and to evaluate yourself and to think about who you

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 are in the light of who God's made you to be. And so we're talking about the dynamics of change,

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 the dynamics of change, practicing the Christian life, dynamics of change. All of these things fit

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 together. So what is biblical counseling? Let's dive into it a little bit. David Powlison is one of the

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 kind of grandfathers of thinking about these things, and one of the ways he talks about it is he says to

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 really get into biblical counseling, you've got to start by thinking of who you will become one day.

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 So who will you become in the end? And he asked the question, what is our destination?

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 What is the destination of the self, the soul, the personality, who you one day will become? And one of

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 the ways he talks about that is to look at the Lord's prayer, and at the very end Jesus says,

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 he tells us to pray, Lord deliver us from evil. And that's the way about thinking about destination.

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 One day we will be delivered from all evil. That's who we're going to become, delivered from evil.

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 What does that look like? It means you will be first alive, not dead. You will be strong, not weak.

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 You will be physically exactly who you should be, whatever that means. That's hard to know.

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 You will be liberated from fear, right? Can you imagine? Liberated from all fearfulness.

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 Liberated from all sorrow. That's who you'll become one day. You will be joyful, happy, and good.

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 And I mean good, not in the sense of you'll be, you know, the goody two-shoes behavior police.

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 No, you'll be truly good, the way that the Old Testament talks about God, slow to anger,

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 abounding in love, right? Patient, kind, gentle, good. Exactly the way you should be.

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 And then David Palastro says, now, now you've got to ask, where am I today?

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 And how big is the gap? Right? So when you do an exercise like that, it can be incredibly discouraging.

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 One of the ways to think about it is, do you ever, he brings up this illustration, but he's,

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 do you ever find in any moment where you think, I'm happy right now?

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 Like, I'm having a good day, I'm happy, and your next instinct to say, wait a minute, like, what's wrong?

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 You know, you're immediately searching, there's got to be something wrong.

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 Like, there's got to be a problem I need to be worried about right now, right?

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 So I have a habit, I don't know about you, of thinking in the moments where I experience joy,

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 immediately searching for the thing I need to be worried about, right?

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 Can you imagine being beyond something like that? No fearfulness.

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 And we've got miles and miles to go, we've got a big road to traverse.

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 And that could be incredibly discouraging, but when it comes to biblical counseling,

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 the first bit of counseling we need is to say, when you take, when you do, this is,

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 one theologian I like calls this God's mathematics.

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 And if you take who you are today, sorry, who you will be,

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 and you subtract it by who you are today, what does that equal?

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 What is the gap?

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 You know, what is the equation come out to?

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 And you could say, a whole lot of behavior change, a whole lot of performance.

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 And the actual answer is that Jesus Christ's transformative glory is what it equals.

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 That's the gap.

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 The difference in who you are right now and who you will be one day is the difference.

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 The difference, where is it going to be made up?

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 It's going to be made up in Jesus Christ giving you his transformative glory.

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 Glorification.

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 It's God that's going to do it.

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 He's going to get you all the way there.

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 So you're not going to make it there.

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 By the time you die, you are not going to cross that desert that you have left across, right?

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 But Jesus will bring you all the way, right?

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 But until then, biblical counseling is trying to say,

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 how do we pursue holiness and happiness and help one another in that

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 until we arrive at the final destination?

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 Okay, so we're focused here on the estrangement, you might say,

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 between the future self and the current self.

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 There's an estrangement.

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 And we're thinking about that and reflecting on that.

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 But what biblical counseling does that's different is it says that's a collective work.

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 So we can think about that individually, but the Bible says, no, it's a we.

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 It's an us.

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 And so biblical counseling is saying that we are here to help each other do that

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 in tight, close-knit personal relationships.

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 Now, that doesn't mean that everybody in this room will be really sharing the depths of the soul

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 with everybody in this room, not at all.

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 But it does mean that within the Christian community, either within this local church community

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 or somebody else outside of it that you know that's a Christian,

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 we ought to have counseling relationships with other Christians,

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 where we're receiving and giving, receiving and giving.

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 Some of us have those pretty naturally inbuilt in our current relationships,

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 but sometimes the most important thing is friendship, friendship,

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 where we're receiving and giving these types of things.

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 So, Pallison quotes John Calvin about this,

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 and Calvin here talks about this gap between the future self and the current self.

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 And this is what he says,

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 No one has sufficient enough strength to press on with the due eagerness that is required.

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 And weakness so weighs us down that with wavering and limping and most of the time creeping along the ground,

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 we move at a very feeble rate of change.

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 No one shall set out so inauspiciously as not daily to make some headway,

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 though it be the tiniest, the slightest.

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 Then let us not despair at the slightness of success.

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 So he says,

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 It is the normal pattern of Christians, including John Calvin himself,

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 to do nothing more in this life than make the tiniest little creeps along the way of that change.

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 And he says,

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 But if there is any headway at all, let us not despair.

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 If there is the tiniest step that you've taken from being a person that struggles with rage

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 to being more slow to anger than you used to be,

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 he says,

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 The tiniest creep, let us not despair.

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 Jesus Christ's glory will cross the rest of the distance.

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 He will bring us the rest of the way.

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 And so, counseling is trying to help us in this life pursue as much of that creep,

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 that crawl, if you will, as we possibly can.

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 All right, so I'm just going to run through as much of this as we can,

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 fill our times up, and then we'll pick back up next week where I'll leave off.

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 So, foundations.

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 2 Peter 1.3 says,

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 This is the second text on your handout.

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 Here's some foundations for biblical counseling.

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 God's divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life.

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 Through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness.

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 Now, focus on that first few words.

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 His divine power has given us everything we need.

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 The gospel and the presence of the Holy Spirit,

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 the inscripturated revelation of God, the Bible,

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 read through the power of the Spirit,

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 has given us right now everything we need.

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 Everything we need to take this journey.

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 Everything we need to counsel one another.

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 Now, God's revelation, his divine power, where is that?

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 It's in any place where God reveals himself.

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 And so, we've got to say with that,

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 everything we need is broad

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 because his power, his revelation is broad.

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 So, that includes God's work of revealing his common grace gifts to people.

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 So, where can you find God's revelation of wisdom in this world?

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 Well, anywhere there's truth.

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 All truth is God's truth.

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 And so, by God's common grace,

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 sometimes you do go to a professional and they help you immensely.

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 And the reason that they are able to do that is because God has revealed himself.

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 That's what he's saying.

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 All divine power, all truth, all wisdom in this world comes from God's revelation.

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 Even if it's used by somebody who doesn't believe in God.

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 Common grace.

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 But especially here, he's saying by special grace, by scripture and by wisdom,

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 we have, by the presence of the Spirit,

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 everything we need to help each other along this path.

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 All the resources.

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 So, because God has spoken, we can do this.

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 By the power of looking at God's revelation, his word.

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 We can counsel.

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 We can learn how to do it.

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 We can help each other.

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 Really, deeply, deeply help each other.

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 So, Calvin says at the beginning of the Institutes,

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 to know God, you've got to know yourself.

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 And to know yourself, you've got to look at God.

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 And he says, you've got to live in that reciprocal loop.

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 Where if you really want to know who you are,

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 you've got to stare at what God says about himself.

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 And when that happens, you realize you're lack.

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 But then, to really know God, you've got to look at who you are and think,

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 I'm a creature, but God must be the creator.

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 I'm dependent.

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 God must be independent.

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 He talks about this reciprocal loop of doing theology.

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 By knowing yourself, then knowing God.

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 Knowing God, then in order to know yourself back and forth, back and forth.

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 And one of the things that biblical counseling does is says,

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 you've got to be willing to plumb the depths of your desires,

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 plumb the depths of the reality of what's going on in your soul.

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 Have you ever, I've mentioned it a couple times here,

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 but ever taken the exercise off of actually working out on paper your idols,

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 your specific idols, and listing them,

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 and asking the question underneath the question?

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 Like, if this is the thing I think I love,

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 is there something even underneath that that's driving me?

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 So this is what Calvin means.

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 That is biblical counseling.

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 It's the work of unpacking the depths of your consciousness,

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 unpacking the depths of your soul in order to grow.

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 And so here's a definition.

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 This is a simple definition that I like of biblical counseling.

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 It's simply this, it's discipleship toward who we are meant to be

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 that addresses specific issues we struggle with,

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 with an emphasis on Christian friendship.

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 So biblical counseling is just the path of discipleship,

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 focusing on the deep issues that we struggle with,

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 with a big emphasis on friendship with somebody,

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 walking through that together.

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 That's the idea.

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 All right, so I think that when you look at the Bible

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 and you see how the Bible addresses so many issues,

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 like in December we looked at anxiety,

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 we looked at sadness and loneliness, things like that,

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 you realize that what God is doing in His Word is telling us,

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 I expect that it's going to be normal that most of the time,

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 most of the counseling that happens in our lives

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 is just through normal relationships,

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 not through professionals.

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 So again, we need that quite often.

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 But the Bible itself even just gives you a book like Proverbs,

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 which is written mostly for parents of how to train up your kids.

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 And that's counseling.

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 That's wisdom.

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 That's imparting wisdom to people.

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 And so the Bible is bent this way.

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 Most counseling will not come from professionals,

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 99% of it in our normal lives.

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 Most of it will be just between one another,

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 between our friends.

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 So the next text, Proverbs 27, 17,

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 as iron sharpens iron,

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 so one person, one man, one woman sharpens the other.

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 So do you have a Proverbs 27, 17 relationship

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 where somebody in your life is closely walking with you

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 to sharpen you and to talk about your idols

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 and to talk about your struggles?

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 Do you have that relationship?

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 The Bible is very clear about that.

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 It's very clear about calling us

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 to this type of counseling relationship.

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 And so where are we getting this kind of stuff?

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 You know, obviously, the pastorate exists for that.

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 Absolutely.

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 But we also know that that's also never going to be

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 the main counseling relationship for 99% of people, right?

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 It can't be.

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 It's got to be far broader than that.

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 And so we get this in all sorts of relationships in our lives.

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 Okay, the last thing, and we'll move to this chart.

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 That's this.

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 While professional counseling, practices of psychotherapy,

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 behavioral analysis and treatment

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 can be really, really helpful for us,

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 one of the things to just say about this

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 is that the goal of biblical counseling

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 will always be different from contemporary psychotherapy

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 because the goal of biblical counseling is worship.

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 The goal of biblical counseling is to help one another worship.

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 So whereas contemporary counseling often focuses on you,

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 biblical counseling focuses on you,

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 but in order to get you out of yourself,

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 in order to bring you to a place of worship,

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 of getting out of your own head.

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 So self-forgetfulness is the big goal in Christian counseling,

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 biblical counseling.

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 That's always going to be distinct

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 from contemporary psychotherapy,

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 professional counseling in the contemporary world.

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 All right, so I just want to get right into it

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 and give you a quick paradigm for how to do it,

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 a way to think about it as we close today,

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 and then we'll get into more detail in a couple weeks,

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 more and more detail.

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 So, but I think I came across this article called,

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 it's in the footnote there in your handout,

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 The Connection Between Everyday Ministry and Counseling

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 by Todd Strive.

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 And it's a fantastic prime, quick entryway

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 into thinking about this and reflecting on these practices

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 and how simple they are.

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 But you can see this pyramid there.

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 The broad base of the pyramid is love and humility, right?

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 So he's reflecting there on the base posture

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 that we all need to seek as counselors of one another,

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 love and humility.

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 So you can go to a place like Philippians 2,

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 the hymn of Christ, where it says,

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 Christ came for us in humility,

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 the cross uttered humility,

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 and so put on humility.

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 Follow him in that, gospel-centered.

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 And love and humility become the base ethic

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 for all counseling.

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 So what is love?

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 Love, what is love?

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 Very difficult to define sometimes.

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 Love is a desire for another person's good.

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 That's basic love.

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 Love is just to desire another person's good.

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 What is humility?

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 Humility is the ability to forget yourself

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 so that you can desire another person's good.

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 Right, so another way,

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 there's a modern thinker, not a Christian,

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 but he has a conversational paradigm

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 that I think maps really well into biblical counseling,

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 and it's called VIEW.

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 It's V-I-E-W.

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 And VIEW is that in counseling,

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 you walk in, in Christian friendship,

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 you walk into the relationship with

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 V, vulnerability,

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 willingness to be known

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 because you're self-forgetful.

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 I, impartiality,

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 what's that?

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 That's the humility

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 to seek the best for the person

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 without any sense of favoring your position.

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 So impartiality says,

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 I will try to judge this situation

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 without any reference to my good.

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 Right, impartiality.

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 E, empathy or compassion.

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 I want to try to think about

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 what they're struggling with

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 through the lens of their perspective.

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 And W, wonder, curiosity.

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 I want to engage with them

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 by being as curious as possible,

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 which draws me to ask more and more questions

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 and really get into their life

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 and try to understand it better.

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 So that's one way.

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 I think that maps really well

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 to the basics of biblical counseling view,

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 entering every relationship

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 because of the gospel

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 with vulnerability, impartiality,

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 empathy, and wonder, curiosity.

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 Now, I'm not going to name names,

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 but I want to ask you

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 to think about this for a moment.

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 Can you name somebody in your mind,

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 not out loud right now,

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 that you think,

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 man, there is a person in my life

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 that models this

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 that is, without knowing it,

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 such a counselor

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 and puts on this Christian ethic so well

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 with vulnerability, empathy,

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 sorry, impartiality, empathy,

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 and wonder, curiosity

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 every time I talk to them.

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 Right, so I can think of two people

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 in our church community

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 that jump out to me

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 over the top good at this.

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 And what we're seeing here

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 in this pyramid scheme

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 is that that's because,

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 that will be because

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 they are humble.

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 That will be the primary reason.

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 They have put on the humility

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 of Jesus Christ,

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 will be the cause of that,

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 that they're actually

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 really deeply interested

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 in everything we say.

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 They want to know more.

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 They want to ask questions.

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 They want to be impartial

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 in their advice.

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 There's no hierarchy

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 in the conversation.

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 There's no sense of me

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 trying to make sure

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 you know that,

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 or any of us know

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 that I'm slightly better

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 than you at this,

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 or whatever, right?

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 That's a lack of impartiality.

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 That's a hierarchical position

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 in a conversation, right?

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 So this is the basic idea.

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 So, a couple,

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 two minutes left,

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 so let me just give you

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 the first couple.

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 Here's how simple

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 the Bible works this

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 into our lives.

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 We'll just do the ones

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 on the first page.

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 Seven biblical applications.

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 The way this works is

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 with the basis of gospel-centered

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 love and humility

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 being totally for other people,

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 that moves into the normal pattern

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 of your everyday life,

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 which is everyday ministry.

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 Everyday ministry.

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 Everybody's a minister.

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 Every conversation.

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 You're a minister.

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 You're on ministry.

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 In every conversation,

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 there's never time off of that.

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 Being a Christian,

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 putting on the love

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 and humility of Christ.

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 And then sometimes,

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 that develops.

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 You see that inverted pyramid

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 into counseling, right?

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 So, you take love and humility,

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 the view paradigm,

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 into every conversation,

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 but then,

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 in some of those conversations,

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 it will be counseling

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 when it becomes deep friendship,

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 when it becomes personal relationship.

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 That's the paradigm here.

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 So, James 1.19.

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 Here's one.

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 Be quick to listen,

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 slow to speak,

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 slow to become angry.

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 Okay, so how do you pull this

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 into everyday ministry?

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 How do you pull this

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 into counseling

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 in a specific relationship?

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 Be quick to listen,

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 slow to speak,

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 slow to become angry.

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 And I've put a little blank there

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 to just give a couple words

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 that you can kind of hold on to.

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 And the words for that one are

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 poise and patience.

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 So, a biblical counselor

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 is working on poise and patience

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 based on James 1.19.

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 What does that look like?

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 Poise.

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 It looks like this.

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 In a conversation,

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 my words are guarded and careful.

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 I have poise.

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 So, because of the gospel,

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 I want to make sure

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 that I'm intentional

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:08.279
 with every word I speak.

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 That's poise.

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 I want to guard my words.

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 Love,

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 seeking that person's best

00:27:15.579 --> 00:27:16.220
 in front of me

00:27:16.220 --> 00:27:17.899
 means guarding what I say

00:27:17.899 --> 00:27:19.539
 and being careful,

00:27:20.879 --> 00:27:22.399
 thinking a certain way

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 of putting that

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 could be very discouraging.

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 Right?

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 That's poise.

00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:27.699
 One example of poise.

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 Another example of poise,

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 I'm guarded

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 against hasty conclusions,

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 against quick judgments.

00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:38.299
 So, I'm not walking

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 into this conversation

00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:39.679
 thinking,

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 I already know

00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:41.240
 what your problem is.

00:27:42.159 --> 00:27:42.359
 Right?

00:27:42.399 --> 00:27:43.299
 I want to actually

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 give them myself

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 and my time to listen.

00:27:45.919 --> 00:27:46.619
 That's poise.

00:27:46.699 --> 00:27:47.559
 That's James 119.

00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:49.740
 Poise and patience.

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 And so,

00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:51.679
 what would patience look like

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 in a counseling relationship

00:27:52.639 --> 00:27:54.259
 with a dear Christian friend?

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 It would look like

00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.339
 the work of responsive listening.

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 So, impartiality

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 includes responsive listening

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 where you're really

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 deeply listening

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 and maybe you're rehashing

00:28:06.379 --> 00:28:07.579
 what they said to you

00:28:07.579 --> 00:28:08.740
 in different words

00:28:08.740 --> 00:28:09.759
 to try to say,

00:28:09.879 --> 00:28:10.019
 okay,

00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:11.480
 am I understanding it clearly?

00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:13.319
 Responsive listening

00:28:13.319 --> 00:28:14.980
 probes with questions.

00:28:16.399 --> 00:28:16.639
 So,

00:28:16.879 --> 00:28:18.099
 one way you can

00:28:18.099 --> 00:28:18.779
 judge yourself,

00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:21.000
 you can evaluate yourself.

00:28:21.700 --> 00:28:22.599
 Judge not, right?

00:28:23.059 --> 00:28:23.939
 Evaluate yourself

00:28:23.939 --> 00:28:26.419
 on where you are

00:28:26.419 --> 00:28:27.359
 in a conversation

00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:28.899
 with love and humility

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 because of the gospel

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 is ask yourself,

00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:33.480
 do I tend

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 to ask other people

00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:36.679
 way more questions

00:28:36.679 --> 00:28:37.379
 than they ask me?

00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:38.720
 That's one of the things

00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:39.480
 I think you have to look for.

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 Are you a person

00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:41.500
 who is constantly

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:42.980
 asking questions

00:28:42.980 --> 00:28:43.960
 of the person

00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:44.539
 across from you?

00:28:45.339 --> 00:28:45.899
 You know,

00:28:46.019 --> 00:28:46.799
 if you're doing that,

00:28:46.899 --> 00:28:47.919
 you're getting out of yourself

00:28:47.919 --> 00:28:49.220
 and active listening,

00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:50.099
 right?

00:28:50.139 --> 00:28:50.659
 Active listening.

00:28:50.779 --> 00:28:51.779
 You've got poise and patience.

00:28:52.159 --> 00:28:52.359
 All right,

00:28:52.399 --> 00:28:53.159
 I'll just do one more.

00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.319
 We'll leave the next five

00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:54.819
 for next time.

00:28:56.720 --> 00:28:57.839
 Ephesians 4.32.

00:28:58.519 --> 00:28:58.720
 All right,

00:28:58.799 --> 00:28:59.819
 so look how simple is that?

00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:01.139
 Be quick to listen.

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:01.980
 Slow to anger.

00:29:02.679 --> 00:29:03.539
 Slow to become angry.

00:29:03.679 --> 00:29:04.480
 Just a listener.

00:29:04.819 --> 00:29:05.960
 That's a biblical counselor.

00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:07.460
 Responsive listening.

00:29:07.619 --> 00:29:07.940
 Secondly,

00:29:08.299 --> 00:29:09.080
 Ephesians 4.32,

00:29:09.220 --> 00:29:10.460
 be kind and compassionate

00:29:10.460 --> 00:29:11.660
 to one another.

00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:13.400
 So we don't have to come up

00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:14.220
 with any other words.

00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:16.080
 Kind and compassionate.

00:29:17.100 --> 00:29:18.320
 That's the next characteristic

00:29:18.320 --> 00:29:20.120
 of somebody putting on the gospel

00:29:20.120 --> 00:29:21.279
 and trying to be a counselor

00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:21.779
 to people.

00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:23.680
 So what does that look like?

00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:24.539
 It's a posture

00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:26.779
 that values the person

00:29:26.779 --> 00:29:28.220
 in front of you so much

00:29:28.220 --> 00:29:29.660
 because they are first

00:29:29.660 --> 00:29:30.820
 made in God's image.

00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:32.920
 So compassion and empathy

00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:34.140
 first are grounded

00:29:34.140 --> 00:29:35.299
 in the fact that

00:29:35.299 --> 00:29:36.680
 no matter what this person

00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.019
 has done or not done.

00:29:38.660 --> 00:29:39.779
 I know at least

00:29:39.779 --> 00:29:40.779
 they're made in God's image.

00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:42.380
 And so they've got value.

00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:43.640
 They've got value

00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:44.420
 no matter who they are,

00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:45.240
 no matter what they've done.

00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:46.360
 Right?

00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:47.600
 And then from there,

00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:50.180
 you can put away,

00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:50.860
 well,

00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:51.580
 it's just the I.

00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:52.519
 It's impartiality.

00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:54.320
 It's impartiality and empathy.

00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:54.539
 See,

00:29:54.620 --> 00:29:55.700
 impartiality is based

00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:56.259
 on compassion.

00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:57.900
 It's based on compassion.

00:29:58.460 --> 00:29:58.860
 It says,

00:29:59.039 --> 00:29:59.740
 I really do want

00:29:59.740 --> 00:30:00.259
 the best for them.

00:30:00.779 --> 00:30:01.580
 I really do,

00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:03.139
 I really do want

00:30:03.139 --> 00:30:03.960
 good for them.

00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:05.500
 That is Christ's compassion.

00:30:05.619 --> 00:30:07.259
 So when he looks over Jerusalem

00:30:07.259 --> 00:30:08.099
 and he weeps

00:30:08.099 --> 00:30:09.439
 in compassion for her,

00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:11.000
 it's because he wants her,

00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:12.059
 that great city,

00:30:12.259 --> 00:30:13.559
 to get the very best,

00:30:14.059 --> 00:30:14.220
 right,

00:30:14.259 --> 00:30:14.960
 which is himself.

00:30:15.179 --> 00:30:16.339
 And they've rejected that.

00:30:16.679 --> 00:30:17.460
 And so that's compassion.

00:30:18.500 --> 00:30:19.000
 So how does it,

00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:19.519
 what does that look like

00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:19.960
 in counseling?

00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:22.899
 One of the ways

00:30:22.899 --> 00:30:24.019
 that's pointed out

00:30:24.019 --> 00:30:24.899
 quite often

00:30:24.899 --> 00:30:25.639
 in biblical counseling

00:30:25.639 --> 00:30:26.399
 on this is that

00:30:26.399 --> 00:30:27.819
 kindness and compassion

00:30:27.819 --> 00:30:29.779
 is often expressed

00:30:29.779 --> 00:30:30.960
 in counseling situation

00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:32.639
 by trying to be

00:30:32.639 --> 00:30:34.119
 as aware as possible

00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:35.240
 of the extent

00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:36.339
 of somebody's pain.

00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:38.579
 So trying to be

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:39.139
 very aware

00:30:39.139 --> 00:30:40.200
 and not dismissive

00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:42.200
 of the lack

00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:42.819
 of experience

00:30:42.819 --> 00:30:43.659
 you may have

00:30:43.659 --> 00:30:44.619
 in whatever this person

00:30:44.619 --> 00:30:45.240
 has been through

00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:47.039
 and trying to really connect

00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:47.720
 and think,

00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:48.500
 boy,

00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:50.019
 what kind of pain

00:30:50.019 --> 00:30:51.079
 must they be experiencing?

00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:51.899
 That's compassion.

00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:52.259
 It's saying,

00:30:52.379 --> 00:30:53.639
 I want to know something

00:30:53.639 --> 00:30:55.259
 of the depth of the pain

00:30:55.259 --> 00:30:56.200
 that they've walked through.

00:30:57.460 --> 00:30:57.779
 All right,

00:30:58.759 --> 00:31:00.859
 I want to permit me

00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:01.879
 to do one more

00:31:01.879 --> 00:31:02.879
 because I wanted

00:31:02.879 --> 00:31:03.700
 to get to this one

00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:05.019
 and we'll stop.

00:31:05.460 --> 00:31:05.819
 Truly.

00:31:06.679 --> 00:31:07.619
 1 Corinthians 9.22,

00:31:07.740 --> 00:31:08.159
 last one.

00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:09.819
 Paul says,

00:31:09.919 --> 00:31:11.819
 here's a flip in the script.

00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:14.899
 Be slow to speak,

00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:15.779
 quick to listen.

00:31:16.779 --> 00:31:18.200
 Be compassionate.

00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:20.119
 Third,

00:31:21.259 --> 00:31:21.679
 Paul says,

00:31:21.679 --> 00:31:22.599
 to the weak I became weak

00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:23.679
 to win the weak,

00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:24.480
 I've become all things

00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:25.039
 to all people

00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.359
 so that I might save some.

00:31:27.819 --> 00:31:29.039
 There's an important work

00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:29.799
 in Christian counseling

00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:31.179
 like in evangelism

00:31:31.179 --> 00:31:32.759
 of sacrifice

00:31:32.759 --> 00:31:34.000
 and accommodation.

00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:37.139
 Sacrifice and accommodation.

00:31:38.339 --> 00:31:38.839
 So this is,

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:39.279
 boy,

00:31:39.359 --> 00:31:40.079
 this is humility

00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:41.240
 applied in your life.

00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:42.480
 Sacrifice and accommodation.

00:31:42.980 --> 00:31:43.539
 It says,

00:31:44.099 --> 00:31:45.240
 to help somebody else

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:46.399
 flourish to the max,

00:31:46.779 --> 00:31:48.019
 maybe to get the gospel

00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:49.399
 to them in evangelism,

00:31:49.859 --> 00:31:51.539
 I want to accommodate

00:31:51.539 --> 00:31:53.179
 to where this person is.

00:31:53.180 --> 00:31:55.060
 I don't,

00:31:55.100 --> 00:31:55.539
 in other words,

00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:56.560
 I don't expect

00:31:56.560 --> 00:31:57.580
 non-Christians

00:31:57.580 --> 00:31:59.340
 to act like they're Christians.

00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:01.259
 I want to go

00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:02.039
 to where they are

00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:02.960
 and meet them

00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:03.900
 where they are.

00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:04.519
 Right?

00:32:04.600 --> 00:32:05.460
 That would be one way

00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:06.740
 in an evangelistic context.

00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.420
 In a counseling context,

00:32:08.580 --> 00:32:08.680
 well,

00:32:08.779 --> 00:32:09.460
 think about it.

00:32:09.700 --> 00:32:11.100
 You don't talk to a child

00:32:11.100 --> 00:32:12.320
 like they're an adult.

00:32:13.299 --> 00:32:13.539
 Right?

00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:14.460
 You've got,

00:32:14.640 --> 00:32:15.440
 we've got to accommodate

00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:16.960
 and sacrifice ourselves

00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:19.380
 and step towards the person

00:32:19.380 --> 00:32:20.519
 wherever they might be

00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:21.879
 so that they can come

00:32:21.879 --> 00:32:22.559
 as they are

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.440
 and receive the word

00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:25.299
 of the Bible,

00:32:25.379 --> 00:32:25.759
 the counseling

00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.339
 that the Bible offers them.

00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:28.279
 Right?

00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:29.099
 So I heard from

00:32:29.099 --> 00:32:30.559
 one very wise person

00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:31.039
 last night

00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:32.599
 in my evangelism cohort

00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:34.139
 where they said

00:32:34.139 --> 00:32:34.579
 it's very important

00:32:34.579 --> 00:32:35.220
 in evangelism

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:36.259
 to love people

00:32:36.259 --> 00:32:37.500
 exactly where they are,

00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:39.420
 not where you expect

00:32:39.420 --> 00:32:39.900
 them to be.

00:32:40.539 --> 00:32:40.700
 Right?

00:32:40.779 --> 00:32:41.559
 And so sometimes

00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:42.639
 accommodation

00:32:42.639 --> 00:32:43.420
 and counseling

00:32:43.420 --> 00:32:45.259
 means killing

00:32:45.259 --> 00:32:46.400
 your

00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:48.859
 cultural loves,

00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:50.500
 your cultural vibes.

00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:51.339
 You know,

00:32:51.379 --> 00:32:52.240
 the things that you really

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:53.379
 expect to be the case

00:32:53.379 --> 00:32:54.139
 and want to be the case

00:32:54.139 --> 00:32:55.879
 and think only a decent person

00:32:55.879 --> 00:32:56.639
 would only do this.

00:32:57.099 --> 00:32:57.980
 You've got to kill that

00:32:57.980 --> 00:32:58.480
 actually

00:32:58.480 --> 00:33:00.039
 in order to meet them

00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:00.500
 where they are

00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:01.460
 to bring them

00:33:01.460 --> 00:33:03.440
 not into the culture

00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:04.440
 we expect to exist

00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:05.319
 but into the way

00:33:05.319 --> 00:33:05.879
 the Bible

00:33:05.879 --> 00:33:07.220
 wants them to walk.

00:33:07.379 --> 00:33:07.940
 Love and humility

00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:08.639
 based on Christ.

00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:08.980
 Right?

00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:09.940
 So love,

00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:10.740
 accommodation,

00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:12.299
 sacrifice has to be made.

00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:13.200
 Sacrifice.

00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:14.059
 All right.

00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:14.519
 We've got to kill

00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:15.180
 our expectations.

00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:16.299
 That's love and humility

00:33:16.299 --> 00:33:16.740
 for people.

00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:17.420
 All right.

00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:18.059
 Let me stop

00:33:18.059 --> 00:33:19.500
 and I'll pray.

00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:19.859
 Lord,

00:33:19.859 --> 00:33:21.359
 we just ask now

00:33:21.359 --> 00:33:23.240
 that as a community,

00:33:23.939 --> 00:33:24.959
 as a community,

00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:26.139
 you would give us,

00:33:26.299 --> 00:33:28.259
 you would give us

00:33:28.259 --> 00:33:28.939
 deeper love

00:33:28.939 --> 00:33:29.719
 for one another,

00:33:29.859 --> 00:33:30.519
 deeper love

00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:31.679
 because of the love

00:33:31.679 --> 00:33:32.879
 we've experienced

00:33:32.879 --> 00:33:33.559
 in the cross.

00:33:33.919 --> 00:33:34.099
 So,

00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:35.419
 I think tonight,

00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:35.659
 Lord,

00:33:35.719 --> 00:33:36.379
 our prayer is

00:33:36.379 --> 00:33:37.459
 would you help us

00:33:37.459 --> 00:33:38.079
 to meditate

00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:38.879
 on the cross

00:33:38.879 --> 00:33:41.219
 so that we can

00:33:41.219 --> 00:33:42.379
 then turn horizontally

00:33:42.379 --> 00:33:43.579
 and love one another,

00:33:44.459 --> 00:33:45.159
 really seek

00:33:45.159 --> 00:33:45.839
 each other's good

00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:47.839
 with deep humility.

00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:47.919
 humility.

00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:49.279
 So that's the prayer.

00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:50.859
 Make us into counselors.

00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:52.480
 We pray that in Jesus' name.

00:33:52.699 --> 00:33:52.899
 Amen.