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 Alrighty, guys.

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 It is 9 o'clock,

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 so why don't we jump in

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!

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 Lord, we ask that you would bless this time

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 and help us all to grow closer to you.

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 In Jesus' name, amen.

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 Amen.

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 Alright.

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 Well, we're back again

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 after a snow hiatus.

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 And you may be wondering,

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 why are we back again?

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 Didn't we spend the entire last class

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 talking about how everybody disagrees

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 about what Genesis 1 says?

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 Why are we even talking about it anymore, right?

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 And if that's how you're feeling,

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 I'd like to start the class

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 by giving you a word of exhortation.

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 And that is,

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 if any interpretation we have of Scripture,

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 anything that we advocate for,

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 makes us feel like we can ignore Scripture

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 or avoid it,

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 or avoid wrestling with the text,

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 then I submit to you that it must be wrong.

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 If you're adopting an interpretation

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 that says,

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 I can just ignore this part of Scripture,

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 I don't have to read it,

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 I don't have to think about it,

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 then I think you should reconsider.

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 Because our interpretations

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 shouldn't be licensed to dismiss God's Word.

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 And ultimately,

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 our job is to sit under the teaching of Scripture

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 as a good audience,

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 even if we're not sure

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 of every aspect of the text,

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 every part of it, right?

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 And even if we all disagree

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 about parts of the text,

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 it doesn't mean we don't keep on coming back

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 and trying to learn

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 and trying to understand.

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 So with that exhortation,

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 why don't we start by reading

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 the portion of our text

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 that we're going to be considering today.

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 Can somebody read for me?

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 Yeah.

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 Oh, here we are.

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 You have your hand up.

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 Can somebody read for me

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 Genesis 1,

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 verses 20 through 25?

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 Yeah, yeah.

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 I think that's page 1.

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 20 through 25.

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 20 through 25.

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 And God said,

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 let the waters bring forth abundantly

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 as it was good as it was good as it was said.

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 which the waters brought forth abundantly after their kind,

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 and every winged fowl after his kind.

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 And God saw that it was good.

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 And God blessed them, saying,

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 Be fruitful and multiply,

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 fill the waters in the sea,

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 and let fowl multiply in the earth.

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 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

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 Yep, through 25.

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 And God said,

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 Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind,

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 cattle and creeping thing,

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 and beasts of the earth after his kind.

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 And it was so.

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 And God made the beasts of the earth after his kind,

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 and cattle after their kind,

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 and everything that creepeth upon the earth after his kind.

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 And God saw that it was good.

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 All right.

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 Does anyone see sort of a recurring pattern in these verses?

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 After its kind.

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 You guys see that?

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 God made the sea creatures after their kind,

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 and the birds after their kind,

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 and the land creatures,

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 and the swarming creatures after their kind.

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 I find that,

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 according to their kind repetition,

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 really intriguing.

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 What could these phrases be referring to?

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 Well,

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 I mean,

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 the most obvious explanation of these

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 is basically just the observation

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 that

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 lambs give birth to lambs,

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 and grapevines produce grapevines,

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 you know.

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 So it's not really meant to be communicating to us

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 what kinds are.

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 just saying that,

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 you know,

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 like things give birth to like things.

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 And that there's diversity.

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 Yeah.

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 It's kind.

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 Right,

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 exactly.

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 I actually think,

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 given that the original audience

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 of Genesis 1

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 were

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 farmers,

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 shepherds,

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 people who are

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 really super familiar with animal husbandry,

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 this would be

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 not really that

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 groundbreaking

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 if that was the only meaning.

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 You know?

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 I think most,

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 these people were

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 very familiar with the fact that

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 lambs give birth to lambs,

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 et cetera.

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 So,

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 I think it would kind of be doing

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 injustice to the text

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 to restrict it

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 to merely that meaning.

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 So,

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 what additionally

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 could it be referring to?

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 Well,

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 the word kind here

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 means something like

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 categories

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 or varieties of things,

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 indicating

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 that the text

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 is

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 drawing on

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 that

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 there seems to be

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 something behind

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 our sort of

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 our common sense observation

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 that there are

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 different ways

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 of being.

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 Hi,

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 sorry,

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 I'm like...

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 No,

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 don't worry about it.

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 No,

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 just the beginning.

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 We're just talking about

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 kinds,

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 you know,

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 according to their kinds

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 in Genesis

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 day five

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 and day six.

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 Yeah.

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 So,

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 there are

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 different ways

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 of being

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 that we can

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 justifiably

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 group together

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 and separate.

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 Okay?

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 Now,

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 what do I mean by that?

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 Well,

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 apple trees

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 seem to us

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 to be different

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 kinds of things

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 than a lion,

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 right?

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 But we would still

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 group together

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 maple trees

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 with the apple trees

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 and we would group

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 lions with tigers,

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 right?

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 There seems to be

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 sort of these

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 different ways

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 of existing

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 that we can

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 just see with our eyes

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 like,

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 oh,

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 that is like this.

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 We put them together

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 even though they're not

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 identical.

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 There's diversity

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 among the kinds

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 but there are

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 different kinds

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 of things,

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 right?

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 If anyone here

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 is familiar

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 with the works

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 of Plato,

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 this may be

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 reminding you

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 of his concept

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 of the ideas

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 and some

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 have even noted

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 that the,

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 there's an interesting

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 parallel

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 between the Greek

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 translation

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 in the Septuagint

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 of these passages

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 that we just read

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 and the works

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 of Aristotle

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 in Greek

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 where he is

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 attempting to

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 describe what he

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 believes are like

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 the fixity

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 of the forms,

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 like how every

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 individual species

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 of thing

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 is its own thing

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 and it's,

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 you know,

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 it has to do

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 with substance

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 and accents

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 if you're familiar

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 with Greek

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 metaphysics.

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 And he's often

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 in those passages

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 in Aristotle,

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 he's using

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 a very similar

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 kind of language

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 to the Greek

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 translation

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 of these passages.

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 But Aristotle

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 is producing

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 what I think

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 could be accurately

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 called like a

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 scientific account

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 of these different

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 kinds

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 and he's giving

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 philosophical reasons

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 for the separation

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 of categories

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 of things

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 and categories

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 of being.

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 And I don't think

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 that's actually

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 what scripture

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 is doing here

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 but I think

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 because scripture

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 is not making

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 philosophical arguments,

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 it's not making

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 a scientific argument

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 here,

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 it's distating

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 a truth.

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 But I think

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 beyond all that

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 there is

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 definitely here

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 an affirmation

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 that there are

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 different ways

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 of being

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 and there's

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 variety among them.

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 Okay?

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 Different kinds

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 of existence.

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 So

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 where

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 do these

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 ways of being

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 or kinds

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 come from?

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 What was that?

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 From God?

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 Oh yeah,

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 that was good.

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 Yeah.

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 From God himself.

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 Right?

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 Of course.

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 Like all things

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 they come from God.

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 Right?

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 We learn

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 class one

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 everything

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 was created

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 ex nihilo.

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 There is

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 God

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 and everything

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 that God created.

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 And so if we're

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 thinking about

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 where did all this

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 different ways of being,

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 these kinds of existences,

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 these different

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 forms you might call them,

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 where do they come from?

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 Well they have to come

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 from God.

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 But let's consider this.

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 When you and I

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 are creative

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 we tend to imagine

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 that

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 we're truly

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 generating

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 concepts

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 and images

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 from nothing.

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 Right?

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 We're like

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 we're truly original.

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 We just

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 we create

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 from the nothingness

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 that is in our mind.

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 Right?

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 But actually

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 any

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 experienced artist

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 will tell you that

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 our creative activity

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 is more of a blending.

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 A blending

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 or appropriating

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 of the reality

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 around us.

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 Right?

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 An artist

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 first goes out

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 and feeds

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 their imagination

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 with information

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 from our senses

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 and then

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 they can go back

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 and recombine

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 and reimagine them

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 as their own works.

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 Right?

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 Not to say that

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 artists aren't creative

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 only that they have to

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 draw on existing reality

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 and twist them

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 and move them

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 and form them

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 into something new.

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 Right?

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 But they're not

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 truly original.

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 Actually

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 J.R.R. Tolkien

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 called this work

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 sub-creation

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 because none of us

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 can say

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 that we actually

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 create proper.

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 We're always

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 whenever we do

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 something creative

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 we're always

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 sub-creating

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 drawing on

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 the things

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 that already exist.

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 But if we think

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 about this

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 that can't actually

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 be true of God.

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 Right?

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 There is nothing

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 for God to go out

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 and observe

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 and feed his imagination

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 like

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 I think I'm going to create

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 let me go out

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 and see what's out there.

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 You know?

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 No.

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 God doesn't have

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 there is nothing

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 outside of God

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 to base his creation on.

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 And some

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 have attempted

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 to say that

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 God created

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 based on his

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 foreknowledge

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 of what would be

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 created

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 much like

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 some say

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 that God

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 elects people

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 based on their

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 free choice of him.

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 Right?

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 So if you're

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 familiar with

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 the doctrine of grace

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 we talked about this

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 a few weeks ago

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 not a few weeks ago

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 it was actually

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 like a few months ago

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 my goodness.

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 Anyways

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 the idea that

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 oh

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 someone chooses

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 God

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 in their life

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 freely

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 and God

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 from time immemorial

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 knows that

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 and says

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 therefore I'm going

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 to elect this person

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 because he chose me.

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 Right?

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 And so a similar

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 sort of activity

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 is thought to

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 some people

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 have thought

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 well

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 God has

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 perfect foreknowledge

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 so he knows

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 what will be

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 what will exist

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 in creation

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 and so he

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 creates

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 based on his

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 foreknowledge

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 of what will be

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 existing.

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 However

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 Stephen Charnock

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 makes short work

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 of this view

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 observing

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 he made all

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 things in wisdom

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 how can this

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 be imagined

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 if the things

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 known

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 were the cause

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 of his knowledge

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 and so before

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 his knowledge

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 and therefore

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 before his action

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 God would not

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 then be the first

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 in the order

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 of knowing agents

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 because he would

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 not act by knowledge

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 but act before

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 he knew

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 and know

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 after he acted.

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 You see that

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 it's kind of

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 ridiculous.

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 So God

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 can't create

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 based on his

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 foreknowledge

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 of what would

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 exist.

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 That creates

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 a contradiction

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 where the thing

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 that exists

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 exists before

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 God creates it

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 so he acts

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 before he knows

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 what he's creating

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 and he knows

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 what he did

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 after he did it.

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 Yeah.

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 If you're confused

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 everyone should be

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 confused

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 because it doesn't

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 make any sense.

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 So no

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 our creator

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 has made everything

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 in keeping with

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 what are called

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 by theologians

00:13:02.500 --> 00:13:04.659
 his divine ideas.

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 These divine ideas

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 are the patterns

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 of all created

00:13:09.000 --> 00:13:09.980
 things that exist

00:13:09.980 --> 00:13:11.000
 in his mind.

00:13:12.899 --> 00:13:13.500
 Now

00:13:13.500 --> 00:13:16.779
 this is actually

00:13:16.779 --> 00:13:17.679
 was developed

00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:18.740
 in the early church

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 as a critique

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 of Platonism

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 and Aristotelianism.

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 So the idea was

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 if you're familiar

00:13:26.740 --> 00:13:27.220
 with Plato

00:13:27.220 --> 00:13:28.259
 you know

00:13:28.259 --> 00:13:29.100
 there are

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 different kinds

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 of trees

00:13:30.859 --> 00:13:31.279
 right

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 but they're all

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 trees

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 and there's

00:13:32.579 --> 00:13:33.039
 this thing

00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:33.419
 called

00:13:33.419 --> 00:13:34.359
 tree-ness

00:13:34.359 --> 00:13:35.479
 right

00:13:35.479 --> 00:13:36.299
 there's this

00:13:36.299 --> 00:13:37.659
 idea of the tree

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 the ideal of the tree

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 the form of the tree

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 and this idea

00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:43.139
 of the tree

00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:45.719
 this tree-ness

00:13:45.719 --> 00:13:46.539
 exists

00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:49.679
 in this realm

00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:50.379
 called the realm

00:13:50.379 --> 00:13:51.019
 of the ideas

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 and this is where

00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:52.620
 all the concrete

00:13:52.620 --> 00:13:54.439
 or abstract objects

00:13:54.439 --> 00:13:55.079
 exist

00:13:55.079 --> 00:13:56.679
 anyways

00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.159
 in Christianity

00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:02.039
 we believe

00:14:02.039 --> 00:14:03.399
 that there is

00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:04.139
 nothing else

00:14:04.139 --> 00:14:04.620
 eternal

00:14:04.620 --> 00:14:05.500
 outside of God

00:14:05.500 --> 00:14:06.839
 right

00:14:06.839 --> 00:14:08.259
 and so

00:14:08.259 --> 00:14:09.579
 based on texts

00:14:09.579 --> 00:14:10.479
 like here in Genesis

00:14:10.479 --> 00:14:11.679
 and our common sense

00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:12.159
 observation

00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:12.819
 that there are

00:14:12.819 --> 00:14:13.379
 there does seem

00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:13.799
 to be something

00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:14.779
 behind this kind

00:14:14.779 --> 00:14:15.199
 idea

00:14:15.199 --> 00:14:16.219
 or form idea

00:14:16.219 --> 00:14:17.379
 the earliest Christians

00:14:17.379 --> 00:14:17.739
 said no

00:14:17.739 --> 00:14:18.559
 these are actually

00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:19.239
 they're not in their

00:14:19.239 --> 00:14:20.719
 own eternal realm

00:14:20.719 --> 00:14:21.719
 of abstract objects

00:14:21.719 --> 00:14:22.579
 they're in God

00:14:22.579 --> 00:14:23.819
 these are God's ideas

00:14:23.819 --> 00:14:25.259
 it's in God's mind

00:14:25.259 --> 00:14:26.080
 right

00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:27.319
 and they call these

00:14:27.319 --> 00:14:28.240
 divine ideas

00:14:28.240 --> 00:14:30.799
 now are these ideas

00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:31.659
 pure inventions

00:14:31.659 --> 00:14:33.340
 totally new

00:14:33.340 --> 00:14:34.340
 based on nothing

00:14:34.340 --> 00:14:35.679
 you know

00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.200
 some would say

00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:39.460
 that this must be true

00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:40.379
 for God to be free

00:14:40.379 --> 00:14:41.100
 in his creation

00:14:41.100 --> 00:14:43.120
 that he had to have

00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:43.720
 just like

00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:45.659
 this

00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:46.620
 right

00:14:46.620 --> 00:14:47.519
 you know

00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:47.819
 tree

00:14:47.819 --> 00:14:50.100
 but

00:14:50.100 --> 00:14:52.139
 most

00:14:52.139 --> 00:14:54.419
 most theologians

00:14:54.419 --> 00:14:54.899
 actually

00:14:54.899 --> 00:14:55.579
 the majority

00:14:55.579 --> 00:14:56.159
 of the church

00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:56.639
 has actually

00:14:56.639 --> 00:14:58.120
 viewed these

00:14:58.120 --> 00:14:59.000
 divine ideas

00:14:59.000 --> 00:14:59.600
 of creation

00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:00.559
 that God

00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:00.899
 created

00:15:00.899 --> 00:15:01.639
 based these

00:15:01.639 --> 00:15:02.279
 on himself

00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:04.340
 that they are

00:15:04.340 --> 00:15:05.459
 they are

00:15:05.459 --> 00:15:06.100
 reflections

00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:07.220
 of aspects

00:15:07.220 --> 00:15:07.899
 of God's being

00:15:07.899 --> 00:15:08.620
 because God

00:15:08.620 --> 00:15:09.079
 himself

00:15:09.079 --> 00:15:09.860
 is the fullness

00:15:09.860 --> 00:15:10.340
 of being

00:15:10.340 --> 00:15:11.199
 right

00:15:11.199 --> 00:15:12.620
 this is the view

00:15:12.620 --> 00:15:13.399
 that was pioneered

00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:14.039
 by origin

00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:14.899
 and Augustine

00:15:14.899 --> 00:15:16.220
 and affirmed

00:15:16.220 --> 00:15:16.779
 and modified

00:15:16.779 --> 00:15:17.439
 throughout church

00:15:17.439 --> 00:15:17.779
 history

00:15:17.779 --> 00:15:19.019
 by John of Damascus

00:15:19.019 --> 00:15:19.679
 Anselm

00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:20.519
 Thomas Aquinas

00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:21.699
 Francis Turretin

00:15:21.699 --> 00:15:22.340
 and many

00:15:22.340 --> 00:15:22.980
 many others

00:15:22.980 --> 00:15:24.560
 however

00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:25.320
 like a lot

00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:25.639
 of things

00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:26.039
 I like

00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:26.399
 how Herman

00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:26.800
 Bavink

00:15:26.800 --> 00:15:27.200
 puts it

00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:27.680
 in summary

00:15:27.680 --> 00:15:29.600
 he says

00:15:29.600 --> 00:15:31.080
 God's ideas

00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:31.680
 are absolutely

00:15:31.680 --> 00:15:32.200
 original

00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:33.620
 they arise

00:15:33.620 --> 00:15:34.240
 from his own

00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:34.639
 being

00:15:34.639 --> 00:15:35.840
 they are

00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:36.340
 eternal

00:15:36.340 --> 00:15:36.960
 and immutable

00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:38.480
 indeed

00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:38.960
 they are

00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:39.539
 one with

00:15:39.539 --> 00:15:39.820
 his own

00:15:39.820 --> 00:15:40.100
 being

00:15:40.100 --> 00:15:41.100
 the ideas

00:15:41.100 --> 00:15:41.840
 in God

00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:42.340
 are the very

00:15:42.340 --> 00:15:43.259
 being of God

00:15:43.259 --> 00:15:44.220
 in so far

00:15:44.220 --> 00:15:45.300
 as this being

00:15:45.300 --> 00:15:46.240
 is the pattern

00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:46.840
 of created

00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:47.240
 things

00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:48.060
 and can be

00:15:48.060 --> 00:15:48.620
 expressed

00:15:48.620 --> 00:15:49.340
 and modeled

00:15:49.340 --> 00:15:50.060
 in finite

00:15:50.060 --> 00:15:50.519
 creatures

00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:52.779
 every creature

00:15:52.779 --> 00:15:53.620
 is a revelation

00:15:53.620 --> 00:15:54.460
 of God

00:15:54.460 --> 00:15:55.860
 and participates

00:15:55.860 --> 00:15:56.340
 in God's

00:15:56.340 --> 00:15:56.620
 being

00:15:56.620 --> 00:15:57.799
 the nature

00:15:57.799 --> 00:15:58.039
 of this

00:15:58.039 --> 00:15:58.399
 participation

00:15:58.399 --> 00:15:59.699
 is not

00:15:59.699 --> 00:16:00.620
 such that

00:16:00.620 --> 00:16:01.179
 creatures

00:16:01.179 --> 00:16:02.039
 are modifications

00:16:02.039 --> 00:16:02.899
 of the divine

00:16:02.899 --> 00:16:03.279
 being

00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:04.259
 or that they

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 have in some

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 realistic sense

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 receive this

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 divine being

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 into themselves

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 but every

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 creature

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 has its own

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 distinct being

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 because in

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 its existence

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 it is an

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 exemplification

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 of the divine

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 being

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 the wisdom

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 of God

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 is manifest

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 in the creation

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 ordering

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 guidance

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 and government

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 of all things

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 you guys

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 catch that

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 in

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 in virtue

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 of being

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 an exemplification

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 of God

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 in some way

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 all of creation

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 can be truly

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 said to be

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 God's

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 self-revelation

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 that means

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 that every time

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 you walk outside

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 and look

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 at a piece

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 of moss

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 or a robin

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 eating on the lawn

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 or the mushrooms

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 dotting a log

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 you are in

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 some sense

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 receiving a

00:16:52.819 --> 00:16:53.459
 revelation

00:16:53.459 --> 00:16:54.059
 of God

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 you're learning

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 something about

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 God

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 he is telling

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 you something

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 about himself

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 the oxaladdle

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 the quivering

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 aspen

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 the secretive owl

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 are all saying

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 behold your maker

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 how sad

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 that we often

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 walk by the

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 outside world

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 without appreciating

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 the central

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 aspect of it

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 Raul you had

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 your hand

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 out

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 even

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 you pointed

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 out

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 the algae

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 and nature

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 but also

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 the building

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 of cities

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 and civilizations

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 and having

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 governments

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 that's all

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 from God

00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:29.339
 yeah

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 all of that

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 yeah

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 I think

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 and I'm not

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 this is actually

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 outside of my purview

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 because

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 I'm not

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 I'm not going to be

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 teaching the image

00:17:40.139 --> 00:17:40.559
 of God

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 class

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 that's going to be

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 Pastor Nick

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 but I think

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 you're right

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 I think

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 the works

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 of human beings

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 the work

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 our art

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 our architecture

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 our organization

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 our reasoning

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 our science

00:17:56.119 --> 00:17:56.839
 all that stuff

00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:57.299
 is actually

00:17:57.299 --> 00:17:58.379
 reflections of God

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 through the medium

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 of the human mind

00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:02.960
 so the human mind

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 is a reflection of God

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 and therefore

00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:05.680
 our works

00:18:05.680 --> 00:18:06.380
 are therefore

00:18:06.380 --> 00:18:07.620
 like secondary reflections

00:18:07.620 --> 00:18:08.640
 of God's mind

00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:08.960
 yeah

00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:10.760
 exactly

00:18:10.760 --> 00:18:14.260
 yeah

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 Richard

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 so

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 clearly

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 creation

00:18:17.860 --> 00:18:18.480
 ex nihilo

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 would exclude

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 the notion

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 that

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 God

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 creates

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 everything

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 out of

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 himself

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 but does it

00:18:29.699 --> 00:18:30.339
 exclude

00:18:30.339 --> 00:18:30.959
 the notion

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 that God

00:18:31.619 --> 00:18:32.219
 creates

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 everything

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 out of

00:18:33.259 --> 00:18:34.139
 his ideas

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 no

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 no

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 so the idea

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 here is

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 God

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 as an analogy

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 the analogy

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 is

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 before we

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 make something

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 we have an idea

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 of it in our mind

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 think of it like

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 a blueprint

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 right

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 we have a blueprint

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 of a building

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 that we're going

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 to make

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 the blueprint

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 isn't the building

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 the blueprint

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 is what the building

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 is going to be

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 right

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 the form of it

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 the idea of it

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 in the same way

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 God

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 prior to his

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 creation of the world

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 has ideas

00:19:03.699 --> 00:19:04.599
 of what

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 he's going to create

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 and what those

00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:08.480
 ideas are

00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:09.379
 what he ends up

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 actualizing

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 creating

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 is based

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 on himself

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 right

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 the ways in which

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 he can be

00:19:16.939 --> 00:19:17.500
 imitated

00:19:17.500 --> 00:19:19.539
 in a finite mode

00:19:19.539 --> 00:19:19.939
 right

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 it's the finitude

00:19:21.419 --> 00:19:22.219
 that is the

00:19:22.219 --> 00:19:23.399
 important part here

00:19:23.399 --> 00:19:24.259
 right

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 none of us

00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:26.099
 none of

00:19:26.099 --> 00:19:27.559
 no part of creation

00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:27.960
 is like

00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:29.079
 this is the

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 divine

00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:30.279
 you know

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 like

00:19:30.579 --> 00:19:30.900
 it's

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 no no no

00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:32.720
 this is reflecting

00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:34.059
 something about God

00:19:34.059 --> 00:19:35.660
 it's not all of God

00:19:35.660 --> 00:19:36.940
 does that make sense

00:19:36.940 --> 00:19:38.019
 nothing finite

00:19:38.019 --> 00:19:39.319
 can ever encompass

00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:39.839
 all of God

00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:40.859
 but

00:19:40.859 --> 00:19:42.839
 does that make sense

00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:44.000
 what we're getting

00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:44.339
 out of there

00:19:44.339 --> 00:19:44.619
 yeah

00:19:44.619 --> 00:19:46.679
 so

00:19:46.679 --> 00:19:49.299
 if

00:19:49.299 --> 00:19:50.599
 all of creation

00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:52.059
 is a self-revelation

00:19:52.059 --> 00:19:52.500
 of God

00:19:52.500 --> 00:19:54.199
 this kind of

00:19:54.199 --> 00:19:54.939
 brings up a

00:19:54.939 --> 00:19:55.879
 perplexing question

00:19:55.879 --> 00:19:58.319
 what do we make

00:19:58.319 --> 00:19:58.939
 of all those

00:19:58.939 --> 00:20:00.119
 aspects of creation

00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:01.000
 that make us

00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:01.379
 wince

00:20:01.379 --> 00:20:03.319
 that make us what

00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:04.059
 wince

00:20:04.059 --> 00:20:05.179
 you know

00:20:05.179 --> 00:20:05.979
 make us

00:20:05.979 --> 00:20:06.739
 kind of shudder

00:20:06.740 --> 00:20:09.759
 what do we make

00:20:09.759 --> 00:20:10.339
 of the seemingly

00:20:10.339 --> 00:20:11.299
 long history

00:20:11.299 --> 00:20:12.480
 of predation

00:20:12.480 --> 00:20:13.099
 and death

00:20:13.099 --> 00:20:13.960
 in the natural world

00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:15.200
 including the extinction

00:20:15.200 --> 00:20:16.279
 of all kinds of creatures

00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:17.259
 like the majestic

00:20:17.259 --> 00:20:17.819
 dinosaur

00:20:17.819 --> 00:20:19.019
 and the funky

00:20:19.019 --> 00:20:19.579
 trilobite

00:20:19.579 --> 00:20:21.740
 ultimately

00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:22.579
 we're asking

00:20:22.579 --> 00:20:23.200
 the question

00:20:23.200 --> 00:20:25.420
 how fallen

00:20:25.420 --> 00:20:26.000
 is nature

00:20:26.000 --> 00:20:28.539
 if creation

00:20:28.539 --> 00:20:29.779
 is a self-revelation

00:20:29.779 --> 00:20:30.240
 of God

00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:31.819
 what are we

00:20:31.819 --> 00:20:32.880
 reasonably expected

00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:33.680
 to be able to learn

00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:34.140
 from God

00:20:34.140 --> 00:20:34.660
 from nature

00:20:34.660 --> 00:20:36.820
 and how corrupted

00:20:36.820 --> 00:20:37.460
 has it been

00:20:37.460 --> 00:20:38.200
 by the fall

00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:40.880
 one view

00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:42.300
 is actually

00:20:42.300 --> 00:20:43.259
 that the natural world

00:20:43.259 --> 00:20:43.700
 has been

00:20:43.700 --> 00:20:45.460
 comprehensively

00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:46.519
 affected by the fall

00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:46.900
 of man

00:20:46.900 --> 00:20:48.220
 that every kind

00:20:48.220 --> 00:20:49.259
 of natural evil

00:20:49.259 --> 00:20:50.360
 as we might

00:20:50.360 --> 00:20:50.960
 understand it

00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:51.820
 is attributable

00:20:51.820 --> 00:20:53.500
 to humanity's

00:20:53.500 --> 00:20:54.759
 primal disobedience

00:20:54.759 --> 00:20:56.700
 this view

00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:57.180
 is often

00:20:57.180 --> 00:20:58.220
 a distinguishing mark

00:20:58.220 --> 00:20:58.900
 of young earth

00:20:58.900 --> 00:20:59.620
 creationism

00:20:59.620 --> 00:21:01.460
 postulating that

00:21:01.460 --> 00:21:02.340
 predation

00:21:02.340 --> 00:21:03.380
 and animal death

00:21:03.380 --> 00:21:04.160
 per se

00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:05.720
 are results

00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:06.380
 of the fall

00:21:06.380 --> 00:21:06.779
 of man

00:21:06.779 --> 00:21:07.560
 and therefore

00:21:07.560 --> 00:21:08.720
 cannot predate

00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:09.259
 humanity

00:21:09.259 --> 00:21:12.340
 since the publication

00:21:12.340 --> 00:21:13.400
 of the Genesis flood

00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:14.220
 in 1961

00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:16.060
 the history

00:21:16.060 --> 00:21:16.680
 of predation

00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:17.279
 and extinction

00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:18.600
 as seen in the fossils

00:21:18.600 --> 00:21:19.600
 is actually explained

00:21:19.600 --> 00:21:20.820
 by a global flood

00:21:20.820 --> 00:21:21.940
 that produced

00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:22.540
 the world

00:21:22.540 --> 00:21:23.820
 as we know it today

00:21:23.820 --> 00:21:25.180
 but

00:21:25.180 --> 00:21:26.660
 this view

00:21:26.660 --> 00:21:27.180
 is actually

00:21:27.180 --> 00:21:28.580
 a little bit more

00:21:28.580 --> 00:21:28.860
 I mean

00:21:28.860 --> 00:21:30.000
 this general view

00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:30.840
 is more ancient

00:21:30.840 --> 00:21:31.320
 than that

00:21:31.319 --> 00:21:32.159
 it's

00:21:32.159 --> 00:21:34.460
 the view

00:21:34.460 --> 00:21:35.240
 that nature

00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:35.980
 has been severely

00:21:35.980 --> 00:21:37.079
 affected by the fall

00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:38.599
 is actually espoused

00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:39.299
 by John Calvin

00:21:39.299 --> 00:21:40.679
 he says

00:21:40.679 --> 00:21:41.519
 that fleas

00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:42.259
 caterpillars

00:21:42.259 --> 00:21:42.639
 and other

00:21:42.639 --> 00:21:43.859
 noxious insects

00:21:43.859 --> 00:21:45.200
 are penalties

00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:46.000
 of the fall

00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:48.659
 so the relevant

00:21:48.659 --> 00:21:49.619
 passages in scripture

00:21:49.619 --> 00:21:50.460
 that are often cited

00:21:50.460 --> 00:21:51.659
 are the descriptions

00:21:51.659 --> 00:21:52.639
 of animal diet

00:21:52.639 --> 00:21:53.559
 in Genesis 1

00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:55.439
 the curses

00:21:55.439 --> 00:21:56.399
 in Genesis 3

00:21:56.400 --> 00:21:57.880
 the prophecy

00:21:57.880 --> 00:21:59.080
 of Isaiah 11

00:21:59.080 --> 00:22:00.660
 verses 6-9

00:22:00.660 --> 00:22:02.019
 and Paul's

00:22:02.019 --> 00:22:02.480
 discourse

00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:03.680
 in Romans 8

00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:05.280
 about creation

00:22:05.280 --> 00:22:08.140
 so let's go through

00:22:08.140 --> 00:22:08.620
 some of these

00:22:08.620 --> 00:22:09.540
 Genesis 1

00:22:09.540 --> 00:22:10.620
 29-30

00:22:10.620 --> 00:22:11.140
 says

00:22:11.140 --> 00:22:12.000
 after the creation

00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:12.880
 of man and animals

00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.320
 and God said

00:22:15.320 --> 00:22:16.100
 behold

00:22:16.100 --> 00:22:17.060
 I have given you

00:22:17.060 --> 00:22:17.840
 every plant

00:22:17.840 --> 00:22:18.600
 yielding seed

00:22:18.600 --> 00:22:19.380
 that is on the face

00:22:19.380 --> 00:22:20.000
 of all the earth

00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:21.280
 and every tree

00:22:21.280 --> 00:22:22.420
 with seed in its fruit

00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:23.800
 you shall have them

00:22:23.800 --> 00:22:24.280
 for food

00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:25.920
 and to every beast

00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:26.379
 of the earth

00:22:26.379 --> 00:22:27.180
 and every bird

00:22:27.180 --> 00:22:27.740
 of the heavens

00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:28.240
 and everything

00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:29.119
 that creeps on the earth

00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:29.819
 everything that has

00:22:29.819 --> 00:22:30.559
 the breath of life

00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:31.319
 I have given

00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:32.339
 every green plant

00:22:32.339 --> 00:22:32.879
 for food

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 and it was so

00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:36.839
 this seems like

00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:38.700
 a pretty clear

00:22:38.700 --> 00:22:39.480
 prohibition

00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:40.859
 on carnivorous activity

00:22:40.859 --> 00:22:41.599
 prior to the fall

00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.940
 and it's only enhanced

00:22:43.940 --> 00:22:46.359
 by the prophecies

00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:47.539
 found in Isaiah 11

00:22:47.539 --> 00:22:48.180
 6-9

00:22:48.180 --> 00:22:49.940
 where he says

00:22:49.940 --> 00:22:50.859
 the wolf

00:22:50.859 --> 00:22:51.700
 shall dwell

00:22:51.700 --> 00:22:52.519
 with the lamb

00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:53.720
 and the leopard

00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:54.700
 shall lie down

00:22:54.700 --> 00:22:55.519
 with the young goat

00:22:55.519 --> 00:22:57.140
 and the calf

00:22:57.140 --> 00:22:57.740
 and the lion

00:22:57.740 --> 00:22:58.700
 and the fatted calf

00:22:58.700 --> 00:22:59.059
 together

00:22:59.059 --> 00:22:59.940
 and a little child

00:22:59.940 --> 00:23:00.600
 shall lead them

00:23:00.600 --> 00:23:02.180
 the cow

00:23:02.180 --> 00:23:02.700
 and the bear

00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:03.620
 shall graze

00:23:03.620 --> 00:23:04.579
 the young

00:23:04.579 --> 00:23:05.319
 shall lie down

00:23:05.319 --> 00:23:05.680
 together

00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:06.319
 and the lion

00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:07.200
 shall eat straw

00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:07.980
 like the ox

00:23:07.980 --> 00:23:09.779
 the nursing child

00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:10.440
 shall play

00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:11.120
 over the holes

00:23:11.120 --> 00:23:11.680
 of the cobra

00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.319
 and the weaned child

00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:14.180
 shall put his hand

00:23:14.180 --> 00:23:15.019
 on the adder's den

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 they shall not hurt

00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:17.460
 or destroy

00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:18.559
 in all my holy mountain

00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:19.660
 for the earth

00:23:19.660 --> 00:23:20.440
 shall be full

00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:21.079
 of the knowledge

00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:21.620
 of the Lord

00:23:21.620 --> 00:23:22.440
 as the waters

00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:23.380
 covers the sea

00:23:23.380 --> 00:23:25.860
 so here

00:23:25.860 --> 00:23:27.800
 the predatory animals

00:23:27.800 --> 00:23:28.900
 are seen to be

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:29.560
 restored

00:23:29.560 --> 00:23:31.360
 in this view

00:23:31.360 --> 00:23:32.320
 to their prior

00:23:32.320 --> 00:23:33.500
 vegetarianism

00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:34.720
 in the new creation

00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:36.600
 showing that

00:23:36.600 --> 00:23:37.200
 predation

00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:37.880
 must have been

00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:38.700
 a result of the fall

00:23:38.700 --> 00:23:39.760
 and that nature

00:23:39.760 --> 00:23:40.800
 is in fact

00:23:40.800 --> 00:23:42.200
 currently cursed

00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:44.640
 Genesis 3

00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:45.360
 recounts

00:23:45.360 --> 00:23:46.240
 God's curse

00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:46.720
 on Adam

00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:47.820
 saying

00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:49.179
 because you have

00:23:49.179 --> 00:23:50.079
 listened to the voice

00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:50.700
 of your wife

00:23:50.700 --> 00:23:51.839
 and have eaten

00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:52.399
 of the tree

00:23:52.399 --> 00:23:53.179
 of which I commanded

00:23:53.179 --> 00:23:53.419
 you

00:23:53.419 --> 00:23:54.419
 you shall not

00:23:54.419 --> 00:23:54.879
 eat of it

00:23:54.879 --> 00:23:56.379
 curse is the ground

00:23:56.379 --> 00:23:56.919
 because of you

00:23:56.919 --> 00:23:58.319
 in pain

00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:59.099
 you shall eat of it

00:23:59.099 --> 00:23:59.519
 all the days

00:23:59.519 --> 00:24:00.059
 of your life

00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:01.819
 thorns and thistles

00:24:01.819 --> 00:24:02.639
 shall bring forth

00:24:02.639 --> 00:24:02.960
 for you

00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:03.599
 and you shall eat

00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:04.079
 the plants

00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:04.679
 of the field

00:24:04.679 --> 00:24:06.139
 by the sweat

00:24:06.139 --> 00:24:06.700
 of your face

00:24:06.700 --> 00:24:07.519
 you shall eat bread

00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:08.559
 till you return

00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:09.200
 to the ground

00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:09.980
 for out of it

00:24:09.980 --> 00:24:10.539
 you were taken

00:24:10.539 --> 00:24:12.000
 for you are dust

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:12.859
 and to dust

00:24:12.859 --> 00:24:13.679
 you shall return

00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:16.600
 biologist

00:24:16.600 --> 00:24:17.480
 Dr. Gordon Wilson

00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:18.920
 one of the people

00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:19.380
 I think is

00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:20.100
 one of the best

00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:20.860
 proponents of this

00:24:20.860 --> 00:24:21.840
 view of a cursed nature

00:24:21.840 --> 00:24:22.799
 and

00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:23.820
 simultaneously

00:24:23.820 --> 00:24:24.299
 the creator

00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:24.860
 of an excellent

00:24:24.860 --> 00:24:25.680
 nature documentary

00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:26.019
 called

00:24:26.019 --> 00:24:26.880
 The Right and the Dance

00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:27.560
 if you're able

00:24:27.560 --> 00:24:28.100
 to watch it

00:24:28.100 --> 00:24:29.279
 you should watch it

00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:29.620
 it's great

00:24:29.620 --> 00:24:30.299
 I mean all nature

00:24:30.299 --> 00:24:31.180
 documentaries are awesome

00:24:31.180 --> 00:24:32.660
 but this is great

00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:33.960
 he comments

00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:35.299
 on that work

00:24:35.299 --> 00:24:36.660
 that documentary

00:24:36.660 --> 00:24:38.799
 that the curse

00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:39.620
 is manifest

00:24:39.620 --> 00:24:40.820
 when looking closely

00:24:40.820 --> 00:24:42.060
 at these elephant seals

00:24:42.060 --> 00:24:42.620
 in this case

00:24:42.619 --> 00:24:44.539
 the male domination

00:24:44.539 --> 00:24:45.779
 of the cows

00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:47.159
 the accidental crushing

00:24:47.159 --> 00:24:47.839
 of calves

00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:49.019
 and violent

00:24:49.019 --> 00:24:50.239
 territorial battles

00:24:50.239 --> 00:24:51.000
 between males

00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:52.119
 are on full display

00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:53.939
 this is a powerful

00:24:53.939 --> 00:24:55.219
 reminder that the creation

00:24:55.219 --> 00:24:55.979
 though impressive

00:24:55.979 --> 00:24:57.559
 is truly fallen

00:24:57.559 --> 00:24:58.679
 because of man's sin

00:24:58.679 --> 00:25:00.379
 right

00:25:00.379 --> 00:25:02.779
 he also

00:25:02.779 --> 00:25:04.000
 Dr. Wilson

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:04.739
 also connects

00:25:04.739 --> 00:25:05.419
 this curse

00:25:05.419 --> 00:25:06.399
 to Paul's commentary

00:25:06.399 --> 00:25:07.500
 on the fallenness

00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:07.879
 of the world

00:25:07.879 --> 00:25:08.479
 in Romans 8

00:25:08.479 --> 00:25:09.959
 many of you

00:25:09.959 --> 00:25:10.599
 are probably familiar

00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:10.959
 with that

00:25:10.959 --> 00:25:11.599
 Paul says

00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:12.740
 for I consider

00:25:12.740 --> 00:25:13.619
 that the sufferings

00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:14.699
 of this present time

00:25:14.699 --> 00:25:15.939
 are not worth comparing

00:25:15.939 --> 00:25:17.539
 with the glory

00:25:17.539 --> 00:25:18.959
 that is to be revealed

00:25:18.959 --> 00:25:19.579
 to us

00:25:19.579 --> 00:25:21.039
 for the creation

00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:22.480
 waits with eager longing

00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:23.179
 for the revealing

00:25:23.179 --> 00:25:24.240
 of the sons of God

00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:25.899
 for the creation

00:25:25.899 --> 00:25:26.559
 was subjected

00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:27.399
 to futility

00:25:27.399 --> 00:25:28.500
 not willingly

00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:29.559
 but because of him

00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:30.459
 who subjected it

00:25:30.459 --> 00:25:31.259
 in hope

00:25:31.259 --> 00:25:32.199
 that the creation

00:25:32.199 --> 00:25:32.619
 itself

00:25:32.619 --> 00:25:33.480
 will be set free

00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:34.259
 from its bondage

00:25:34.259 --> 00:25:34.819
 to corruption

00:25:34.819 --> 00:25:36.719
 and obtain the freedom

00:25:36.719 --> 00:25:37.399
 of the glory

00:25:37.399 --> 00:25:38.480
 of the children of God

00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:40.460
 for we know

00:25:40.460 --> 00:25:41.620
 that the whole creation

00:25:41.620 --> 00:25:42.480
 has been groaning

00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:43.440
 together in the pains

00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:44.000
 of childbirth

00:25:44.000 --> 00:25:44.599
 until now

00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:46.660
 and not only the creation

00:25:46.660 --> 00:25:47.400
 but we ourselves

00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:48.900
 who have the first fruits

00:25:48.900 --> 00:25:49.420
 of the spirit

00:25:49.420 --> 00:25:50.819
 groan inwardly

00:25:50.819 --> 00:25:52.180
 as we wait eagerly

00:25:52.180 --> 00:25:53.440
 for adoption as sons

00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:54.480
 the redemption

00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:55.279
 of our bodies

00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.339
 for in this hope

00:25:57.339 --> 00:25:57.960
 we were saved

00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.339
 now hope

00:25:59.339 --> 00:25:59.940
 that is seen

00:25:59.940 --> 00:26:00.519
 is not hope

00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:00.920
 for what

00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:01.579
 who hopes

00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:02.480
 for what he sees

00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:03.819
 but if we hope

00:26:03.819 --> 00:26:04.900
 for what we do not see

00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:05.980
 we wait for it

00:26:05.980 --> 00:26:07.680
 with patience

00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:10.279
 Wilson

00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.019
 Dr. Wilson again

00:26:12.019 --> 00:26:13.240
 speaking of venomous snakes

00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:14.019
 observes that

00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:15.400
 the difference here

00:26:15.400 --> 00:26:17.140
 is that venomous snakes

00:26:17.140 --> 00:26:18.240
 curse condition

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:20.320
 negatively impacts

00:26:20.320 --> 00:26:20.980
 human health

00:26:20.980 --> 00:26:21.460
 and welfare

00:26:21.460 --> 00:26:23.500
 especially in tropical countries

00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:25.500
 as we profiled

00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:26.360
 these deadly snakes

00:26:26.360 --> 00:26:27.180
 and our adversarial

00:26:27.180 --> 00:26:28.120
 relationship with them

00:26:28.120 --> 00:26:29.200
 throughout the world history

00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:30.580
 we wanted to highlight

00:26:30.580 --> 00:26:31.519
 the hope of the gospel

00:26:31.519 --> 00:26:33.460
 not only does God

00:26:33.460 --> 00:26:34.380
 reconcile man

00:26:34.380 --> 00:26:34.940
 to himself

00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:35.539
 through the life

00:26:35.539 --> 00:26:35.900
 death

00:26:35.900 --> 00:26:36.240
 burial

00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:36.779
 resurrection

00:26:36.779 --> 00:26:37.279
 and ascension

00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:38.279
 of Jesus Christ

00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.119
 but the whole creation

00:26:40.119 --> 00:26:41.440
 will be liberated

00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:42.259
 from its bondage

00:26:42.259 --> 00:26:42.879
 to corruption

00:26:42.879 --> 00:26:44.339
 quoting Romans 8

00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:45.960
 so

00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.980
 you can see

00:26:47.980 --> 00:26:49.339
 that altogether

00:26:49.339 --> 00:26:50.680
 this view

00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:51.960
 can support

00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:52.399
 the idea

00:26:52.399 --> 00:26:53.139
 of a creation

00:26:53.139 --> 00:26:53.859
 that is bound

00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:54.539
 in corruption

00:26:54.539 --> 00:26:56.299
 as exemplified

00:26:56.299 --> 00:26:57.619
 in predation

00:26:57.619 --> 00:26:58.680
 venomous animals

00:26:58.680 --> 00:26:59.559
 and animal death

00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:00.299
 generally

00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:02.660
 so this is one view

00:27:02.660 --> 00:27:04.339
 of how fallen

00:27:04.339 --> 00:27:05.159
 nature is

00:27:05.159 --> 00:27:08.519
 in contrast

00:27:08.519 --> 00:27:09.339
 another view

00:27:09.339 --> 00:27:11.659
 is that creation

00:27:11.659 --> 00:27:12.740
 as we have received it

00:27:12.740 --> 00:27:13.299
 is now

00:27:13.299 --> 00:27:14.519
 even now

00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:15.720
 still very good

00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:16.919
 as God declares

00:27:16.919 --> 00:27:18.139
 at the end of the creation account

00:27:18.139 --> 00:27:20.419
 they would say

00:27:20.419 --> 00:27:21.179
 that predation

00:27:21.179 --> 00:27:22.299
 animal death

00:27:22.299 --> 00:27:23.579
 even venomous animals

00:27:23.579 --> 00:27:24.459
 are a part

00:27:24.459 --> 00:27:25.480
 of this good creation

00:27:25.480 --> 00:27:26.699
 and that it is

00:27:26.699 --> 00:27:27.899
 the fallenness of men

00:27:27.899 --> 00:27:29.419
 that restricts us

00:27:29.419 --> 00:27:29.879
 from being able

00:27:29.879 --> 00:27:31.099
 to fully appreciate

00:27:31.099 --> 00:27:32.199
 the breadth

00:27:32.199 --> 00:27:33.279
 of God's works

00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.980
 among these proponents

00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:36.639
 would be

00:27:36.639 --> 00:27:37.599
 figures like

00:27:37.599 --> 00:27:38.119
 Augustine

00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:39.559
 Basil of Caesarea

00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:40.719
 Thomas Aquinas

00:27:40.719 --> 00:27:41.959
 William Paley

00:27:41.959 --> 00:27:43.099
 to name just a few

00:27:43.099 --> 00:27:46.279
 in fact

00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:46.719
 this is

00:27:46.719 --> 00:27:47.699
 if I had to

00:27:47.699 --> 00:27:48.480
 survey

00:27:48.480 --> 00:27:50.779
 church history

00:27:50.779 --> 00:27:51.179
 generally

00:27:51.179 --> 00:27:51.919
 this seems to be

00:27:51.919 --> 00:27:52.779
 the majority view

00:27:52.779 --> 00:27:54.139
 in the church

00:27:54.139 --> 00:27:56.659
 an excellent

00:27:56.659 --> 00:27:57.599
 modern proponent

00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:58.139
 of this view

00:27:58.139 --> 00:27:59.379
 would be

00:27:59.379 --> 00:27:59.779
 scientist

00:27:59.779 --> 00:28:00.359
 and Old Testament

00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:00.759
 scholar

00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.460
 Dr. C. John Collins

00:28:03.460 --> 00:28:05.440
 I'm a huge fan

00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:06.640
 love Dr. Collins

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:07.619
 who in a chapter

00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:08.079
 in his book

00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:08.859
 Science and Faith

00:28:08.859 --> 00:28:09.640
 Friend or Foes

00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:10.680
 takes up this challenge

00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:12.460
 he points out

00:28:12.460 --> 00:28:13.339
 that when we look

00:28:13.339 --> 00:28:13.859
 at the supposed

00:28:13.859 --> 00:28:14.579
 prohibition

00:28:14.579 --> 00:28:15.359
 on predation

00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:16.359
 in Genesis 1

00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:17.640
 that there is

00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.879
 a curious omission

00:28:18.879 --> 00:28:19.859
 from the list

00:28:19.859 --> 00:28:20.400
 of animals

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:21.039
 who are meant

00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:22.180
 to eat vegetation

00:28:22.180 --> 00:28:24.619
 did you guys catch it?

00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:25.980
 let's see

00:28:25.980 --> 00:28:29.799
 verse 30 says

00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:30.700
 and to every beast

00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:31.139
 of the earth

00:28:31.139 --> 00:28:31.899
 and every bird

00:28:31.899 --> 00:28:32.440
 of the heavens

00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:32.919
 and everything

00:28:32.919 --> 00:28:33.460
 that creeps

00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:34.180
 on the earth

00:28:34.180 --> 00:28:34.859
 everything that

00:28:34.859 --> 00:28:35.299
 has the breath

00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:35.680
 of life

00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:36.200
 I have given

00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:37.240
 every green plant

00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:37.740
 for food

00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:42.299
 you guys notice

00:28:42.299 --> 00:28:43.279
 there's no mention

00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:44.139
 of aquatic life

00:28:44.139 --> 00:28:44.500
 there?

00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:47.940
 aquatic

00:28:47.940 --> 00:28:49.400
 there's no mention

00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:50.299
 of aquatic life

00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:54.620
 so

00:28:54.620 --> 00:28:58.000
 at the very least

00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.080
 if this is a prohibition

00:28:59.080 --> 00:28:59.880
 on predation

00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:00.360
 it doesn't seem

00:29:00.360 --> 00:29:01.160
 to be a blanket

00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.559
 prohibition

00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.140
 of predation

00:29:04.140 --> 00:29:06.240
 because

00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:07.700
 it does not

00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:08.299
 encompass

00:29:08.299 --> 00:29:09.480
 the

00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:11.740
 aquatic animals

00:29:11.740 --> 00:29:13.259
 many of which

00:29:13.259 --> 00:29:14.539
 as you may know

00:29:14.539 --> 00:29:17.079
 eat other things

00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:18.720
 and the

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:19.440
 ancient people

00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.119
 would know that too

00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:22.579
 and further

00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:23.339
 he points out

00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:24.039
 that the prophecy

00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:24.980
 in Isaiah 11

00:29:24.980 --> 00:29:26.519
 showing the lion

00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:27.159
 eating straw

00:29:27.159 --> 00:29:27.759
 like an ox

00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:29.000
 is actually

00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:29.619
 sandwiched

00:29:29.619 --> 00:29:30.579
 between two sections

00:29:30.579 --> 00:29:31.859
 discussing the turning

00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:32.759
 of all the Gentile

00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.700
 nations to Jesus

00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:35.259
 suggesting

00:29:35.259 --> 00:29:36.039
 it actually

00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:36.619
 might be

00:29:36.619 --> 00:29:37.539
 more properly

00:29:37.539 --> 00:29:38.599
 understood

00:29:38.599 --> 00:29:39.519
 to be a poetic

00:29:39.519 --> 00:29:40.099
 representation

00:29:40.099 --> 00:29:41.740
 of the peace

00:29:41.740 --> 00:29:42.399
 between Jew

00:29:42.399 --> 00:29:43.000
 and Gentile

00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:43.980
 a result

00:29:43.980 --> 00:29:44.660
 that would be

00:29:44.660 --> 00:29:45.880
 just as startling

00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.160
 as lions

00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:48.019
 and lambs

00:29:48.019 --> 00:29:48.839
 laying peacefully

00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:49.240
 together

00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.700
 more importantly

00:29:51.700 --> 00:29:52.500
 he points

00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:53.839
 to those passages

00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:54.380
 in scripture

00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:55.380
 like Psalm 104

00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:56.240
 that seem

00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:57.500
 to glorify God

00:29:57.500 --> 00:29:58.400
 for the predation

00:29:58.400 --> 00:29:58.980
 of his creatures

00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:01.319
 we read here

00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:02.559
 verse 19

00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:03.559
 he made the moon

00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:04.420
 to mark the seasons

00:30:04.420 --> 00:30:06.000
 the sun knows

00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:06.819
 it's time for setting

00:30:06.819 --> 00:30:08.400
 you make darkness

00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:09.160
 and it is night

00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.440
 when all the beasts

00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:10.980
 of the forest

00:30:10.980 --> 00:30:11.619
 creep about

00:30:11.619 --> 00:30:13.399
 the young lions

00:30:13.399 --> 00:30:14.459
 roar for their prey

00:30:14.459 --> 00:30:15.339
 seeking their food

00:30:15.339 --> 00:30:16.019
 from God

00:30:16.019 --> 00:30:18.119
 when the sun rises

00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:18.919
 they steal away

00:30:18.919 --> 00:30:19.519
 and lie down

00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:20.059
 in their dens

00:30:20.059 --> 00:30:21.519
 man goes out

00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:22.079
 to his work

00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:22.819
 and his labor

00:30:22.819 --> 00:30:23.599
 until the evening

00:30:23.599 --> 00:30:25.339
 oh Lord

00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:26.059
 how manifold

00:30:26.059 --> 00:30:26.839
 are your works

00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:28.000
 in wisdom

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:29.419
 have you made them all

00:30:29.419 --> 00:30:30.219
 the earth

00:30:30.219 --> 00:30:30.879
 is full

00:30:30.879 --> 00:30:31.679
 of your creatures

00:30:31.679 --> 00:30:36.319
 so proponents

00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:36.559
 of this

00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:37.159
 we would say

00:30:37.159 --> 00:30:38.459
 we surely

00:30:38.459 --> 00:30:39.079
 have to include

00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:39.819
 these passages

00:30:39.819 --> 00:30:40.459
 into our view

00:30:40.460 --> 00:30:41.340
 of creation as well

00:30:41.340 --> 00:30:42.740
 so how do we

00:30:42.740 --> 00:30:43.680
 balance those

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.279
 and as far as

00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:45.579
 the curse

00:30:45.579 --> 00:30:46.360
 in Genesis 3

00:30:46.360 --> 00:30:47.720
 is concerned

00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:48.160
 he would argue

00:30:48.160 --> 00:30:49.680
 that Dr. Collins

00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:50.120
 would say

00:30:50.120 --> 00:30:50.860
 that these are

00:30:50.860 --> 00:30:51.720
 properly understood

00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:52.220
 to be judgments

00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:53.259
 on man alone

00:30:53.259 --> 00:30:54.420
 and that thorns

00:30:54.420 --> 00:30:54.819
 and thistles

00:30:54.819 --> 00:30:55.319
 are going to be

00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:56.000
 God's means

00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.000
 for punishing Adam

00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:57.559
 not that

00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.140
 they are now

00:30:59.140 --> 00:30:59.759
 going to exist

00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:00.440
 for the first time

00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:00.819
 at all

00:31:00.819 --> 00:31:03.440
 similarly

00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:04.640
 the corruption

00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:05.400
 in Romans 8

00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.440
 on this view

00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:08.259
 is better understood

00:31:08.259 --> 00:31:09.240
 to be a lament

00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:10.200
 of creation

00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:11.220
 for man

00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:12.000
 to finally

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.640
 take up

00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:13.279
 their role

00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:14.799
 of vice-regent

00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:15.539
 for the flourishing

00:31:15.539 --> 00:31:16.400
 of all of creation

00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.819
 not for the

00:31:18.819 --> 00:31:20.500
 that nature

00:31:20.500 --> 00:31:21.740
 of predation

00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:22.440
 and animal death

00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:23.960
 but that mankind

00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:25.319
 would finally come

00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:26.779
 and lead creation

00:31:26.779 --> 00:31:27.660
 the way it was meant to

00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:30.240
 to Christians

00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:30.879
 like Collins

00:31:30.879 --> 00:31:32.079
 this would also

00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:32.779
 make sense

00:31:32.779 --> 00:31:33.720
 of our intuition

00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:35.099
 of the amazing glory

00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:35.740
 and beauty

00:31:35.740 --> 00:31:37.059
 of these created beings

00:31:37.059 --> 00:31:38.299
 you know

00:31:38.299 --> 00:31:38.960
 the intricacy

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:39.980
 of the spider's web

00:31:39.980 --> 00:31:41.680
 the astonishing speed

00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:42.460
 of the barracuda

00:31:42.460 --> 00:31:44.299
 and the superb design

00:31:44.299 --> 00:31:45.339
 of the eagle's eyes

00:31:45.339 --> 00:31:46.039
 and claws

00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:48.599
 Augustine thought

00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:49.579
 the same of the insects

00:31:49.579 --> 00:31:50.019
 saying

00:31:50.019 --> 00:31:51.960
 all things after all

00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:52.740
 have in them

00:31:52.740 --> 00:31:53.620
 a certain worth

00:31:53.620 --> 00:31:54.500
 or grace of nature

00:31:54.500 --> 00:31:56.519
 each of its own kind

00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:57.680
 so that in these

00:31:57.680 --> 00:31:58.620
 minute creatures

00:31:58.620 --> 00:31:59.680
 there is even more

00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:00.720
 for us to wonder at

00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:01.660
 as we observe them

00:32:01.660 --> 00:32:02.880
 and so praise

00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:03.960
 the almighty craftsman

00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:04.299
 for them

00:32:04.299 --> 00:32:05.279
 more rapturously

00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:06.079
 than ever

00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.399
 if we pay close attention

00:32:08.399 --> 00:32:09.519
 we are more amazed

00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:10.500
 at the agile flight

00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:11.259
 of a fly

00:32:11.259 --> 00:32:12.680
 than at the stamina

00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:13.720
 of the sturdy mule

00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:14.339
 on the march

00:32:14.339 --> 00:32:15.899
 and the cooperative

00:32:15.899 --> 00:32:17.160
 labors of tiny ants

00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:17.879
 strike us

00:32:17.879 --> 00:32:19.119
 as far more wonderful

00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:20.579
 than the colossal loads

00:32:20.579 --> 00:32:21.339
 that can be carried

00:32:21.339 --> 00:32:22.039
 by camels

00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.000
 ultimately

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:27.019
 the proponents

00:32:27.019 --> 00:32:27.579
 of this view

00:32:27.579 --> 00:32:29.379
 would say

00:32:29.379 --> 00:32:31.000
 that the parts

00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:31.480
 of creation

00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:31.879
 that we are

00:32:31.879 --> 00:32:32.720
 uncomfortable with

00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:33.860
 is a result

00:32:33.860 --> 00:32:34.839
 of our inability

00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:36.160
 to fully appreciate

00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:37.700
 the whole of creation

00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:39.059
 and see

00:32:39.059 --> 00:32:39.600
 just like

00:32:39.600 --> 00:32:41.000
 the dark spots

00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:41.559
 in a painting

00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:42.920
 the greater glory

00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:43.799
 that is produced

00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.519
 in the completed project

00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.940
 Augustine exhorts us

00:32:48.940 --> 00:32:50.360
 some things you see

00:32:50.360 --> 00:32:52.200
 abide by soaring

00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:52.900
 over the whole

00:32:52.900 --> 00:32:53.820
 rolling wheel

00:32:53.820 --> 00:32:54.360
 of time

00:32:54.360 --> 00:32:55.519
 in the widest range

00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:55.960
 of holiness

00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:56.580
 under God

00:32:56.580 --> 00:32:58.220
 while other things

00:32:58.220 --> 00:32:59.320
 do so according

00:32:59.320 --> 00:32:59.900
 to the limits

00:32:59.900 --> 00:33:00.660
 of their time

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:02.259
 and thus it is

00:33:02.259 --> 00:33:02.840
 through things

00:33:02.840 --> 00:33:03.779
 giving way to

00:33:03.779 --> 00:33:04.720
 and taking the place

00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:05.299
 of one another

00:33:05.299 --> 00:33:06.539
 that a beautiful

00:33:06.539 --> 00:33:07.240
 tapestry

00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:07.880
 of the ages

00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:08.420
 is woven

00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:12.500
 they would say

00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:13.660
 just like

00:33:13.660 --> 00:33:14.680
 sore eyes

00:33:14.680 --> 00:33:17.060
 make the light

00:33:17.060 --> 00:33:18.140
 hateful to us

00:33:18.140 --> 00:33:19.980
 our fallen

00:33:19.980 --> 00:33:20.600
 attitudes

00:33:20.600 --> 00:33:21.840
 make us unable

00:33:21.840 --> 00:33:22.539
 to properly

00:33:22.539 --> 00:33:23.200
 appreciate

00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:24.360
 the temporal

00:33:24.360 --> 00:33:24.820
 beauty

00:33:24.820 --> 00:33:25.740
 of some aspects

00:33:25.740 --> 00:33:26.240
 of the world

00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:28.120
 and even

00:33:28.120 --> 00:33:28.740
 for those parts

00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:29.580
 that we can't

00:33:29.580 --> 00:33:30.420
 fully understand

00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:31.039
 their purpose

00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:32.460
 John Chrysostom

00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:32.940
 would say

00:33:32.940 --> 00:33:34.420
 from the creation

00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:35.800
 learn to admire

00:33:35.800 --> 00:33:36.259
 the Lord

00:33:36.259 --> 00:33:38.359
 and if any of

00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:38.680
 the things

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:39.200
 which you see

00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:39.700
 exceed your

00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:40.180
 comprehension

00:33:40.180 --> 00:33:41.180
 and you're not

00:33:41.180 --> 00:33:41.720
 able to find

00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:42.079
 the reason

00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:42.859
 for its existence

00:33:42.859 --> 00:33:43.960
 then for this

00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:44.319
 reason

00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:45.220
 glorify the

00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:45.619
 creator

00:33:45.619 --> 00:33:46.420
 that the wisdom

00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:47.099
 of his works

00:33:47.099 --> 00:33:47.920
 surpasses your

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:48.700
 own understanding

00:33:48.700 --> 00:33:53.440
 these views

00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:54.079
 were espoused

00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:54.759
 well before

00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:55.319
 the theory of

00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:55.640
 evolution

00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:56.259
 was proposed

00:33:56.259 --> 00:33:58.220
 so they can't

00:33:58.220 --> 00:33:58.640
 actually be

00:33:58.640 --> 00:33:59.119
 considered a

00:33:59.119 --> 00:33:59.839
 capitulation

00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:00.559
 to the current

00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:01.379
 scientific theory

00:34:01.379 --> 00:34:03.180
 but it has

00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:04.039
 not been lost

00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:04.559
 on modern

00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:05.220
 proponents of

00:34:05.220 --> 00:34:05.559
 this view

00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:06.579
 that it would

00:34:06.579 --> 00:34:07.440
 certainly make

00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:08.340
 acceptance of

00:34:08.340 --> 00:34:09.079
 some kind

00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:09.820
 of development

00:34:09.820 --> 00:34:10.679
 and creation

00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:11.539
 more plausible

00:34:11.539 --> 00:34:13.699
 given the

00:34:13.699 --> 00:34:14.239
 animal death

00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:14.719
 and predation

00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:15.299
 in the fossil

00:34:15.299 --> 00:34:15.860
 record that

00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:16.539
 seems to

00:34:16.539 --> 00:34:17.380
 predate humans

00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:18.820
 okay

00:34:18.820 --> 00:34:23.079
 so

00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.799
 are those

00:34:25.799 --> 00:34:26.099
 the only

00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:26.559
 options we

00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:26.840
 have left

00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:27.199
 to us

00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:30.480
 I have to

00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:30.719
 say

00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:33.500
 I lean

00:34:33.500 --> 00:34:33.940
 towards the

00:34:33.940 --> 00:34:34.539
 second view

00:34:34.539 --> 00:34:36.119
 with its

00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:36.619
 insistence

00:34:36.619 --> 00:34:36.880
 on the

00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:37.179
 goodness

00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:37.699
 of creation

00:34:37.699 --> 00:34:38.039
 here and

00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:38.239
 now

00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:38.719
 but I'm

00:34:38.719 --> 00:34:39.300
 still

00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:40.779
 not fully

00:34:40.779 --> 00:34:41.480
 satisfied

00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:42.579
 with the

00:34:42.579 --> 00:34:42.940
 arguments

00:34:42.940 --> 00:34:43.679
 against our

00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:44.079
 perception

00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:44.559
 of some

00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:45.259
 kind of

00:34:45.259 --> 00:34:45.599
 natural

00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:45.900
 evil

00:34:45.900 --> 00:34:48.360
 I feel

00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:48.360


00:34:48.360 --> 00:34:48.700
 like the

00:34:48.700 --> 00:34:49.139
 virtues

00:34:49.139 --> 00:34:49.780
 of the

00:34:49.780 --> 00:34:50.019
 first

00:34:50.019 --> 00:34:50.280
 view

00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.180
 are that

00:34:52.180 --> 00:34:53.420
 it gels

00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:53.820
 with that

00:34:53.820 --> 00:34:54.360
 intuition

00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:54.740
 that we

00:34:54.740 --> 00:34:55.119
 have

00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:56.079
 that there

00:34:56.079 --> 00:34:56.519
 is

00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.119
 something

00:34:58.119 --> 00:34:59.039
 wrong

00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:00.280
 there's just

00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:00.680
 something

00:35:00.680 --> 00:35:01.320
 off

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:01.780
 about

00:35:01.780 --> 00:35:02.200
 creation

00:35:02.200 --> 00:35:02.539
 something

00:35:02.539 --> 00:35:04.760
 that's just

00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:05.360
 not quite

00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:05.760
 right

00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.280
 still beautiful

00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:08.980
 but still

00:35:08.980 --> 00:35:10.240
 I don't know

00:35:10.240 --> 00:35:10.760
 it's hard to put

00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:11.420
 words on it

00:35:11.420 --> 00:35:12.720
 and I feel

00:35:12.720 --> 00:35:13.200
 like the

00:35:13.200 --> 00:35:14.460
 virtue of

00:35:14.460 --> 00:35:14.860
 the second

00:35:14.860 --> 00:35:15.139
 view

00:35:15.139 --> 00:35:17.300
 is that

00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:18.340
 it helps us

00:35:18.340 --> 00:35:19.079
 to appreciate

00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:20.559
 creation as

00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:21.019
 we have it

00:35:21.019 --> 00:35:21.300
 now

00:35:21.300 --> 00:35:22.720
 receive

00:35:22.720 --> 00:35:23.860
 the world

00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:24.300
 that we go

00:35:24.300 --> 00:35:24.740
 out right

00:35:24.740 --> 00:35:25.240
 now and

00:35:25.240 --> 00:35:25.480
 see

00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:26.559
 and appreciate

00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:27.240
 and glorify

00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:27.940
 God for it

00:35:27.940 --> 00:35:29.880
 there are

00:35:29.880 --> 00:35:30.559
 pros and

00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:30.880
 cons

00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:31.820
 to each

00:35:31.820 --> 00:35:32.139
 of them

00:35:32.139 --> 00:35:33.079
 I feel

00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:33.720
 like one

00:35:33.720 --> 00:35:33.980
 of the

00:35:33.980 --> 00:35:34.440
 cons

00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:35.260
 of the

00:35:35.260 --> 00:35:35.740
 first view

00:35:35.740 --> 00:35:36.099
 is it

00:35:36.099 --> 00:35:36.579
 does seem

00:35:36.579 --> 00:35:37.159
 to kind

00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:37.659
 of require

00:35:37.659 --> 00:35:38.079
 us

00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:39.960
 to posit

00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:40.579
 some kind

00:35:40.579 --> 00:35:41.000
 of like

00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:41.940
 post-creation

00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:42.460
 creation

00:35:42.460 --> 00:35:44.119
 right

00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.360
 so pre-fall

00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:47.880
 there wouldn't

00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:48.920
 be predators

00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:50.079
 or

00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:51.420
 you know

00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:53.139
 decomposers

00:35:53.139 --> 00:35:54.019
 or all these

00:35:54.019 --> 00:35:54.659
 different aspects

00:35:54.659 --> 00:35:55.860
 of creation

00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:56.420
 that seem

00:35:56.420 --> 00:35:57.259
 to be designed

00:35:57.259 --> 00:35:58.739
 to work

00:35:58.739 --> 00:35:59.239
 with animal

00:35:59.239 --> 00:35:59.699
 death

00:35:59.699 --> 00:36:00.219
 and

00:36:00.219 --> 00:36:02.779
 deal with

00:36:02.779 --> 00:36:03.619
 those issues

00:36:03.619 --> 00:36:04.659
 and so

00:36:04.659 --> 00:36:05.380
 I guess

00:36:05.380 --> 00:36:05.840
 in this view

00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:06.840
 the idea

00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:07.340
 would be

00:36:07.340 --> 00:36:08.360
 at the

00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:08.920
 cursing

00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:10.340
 of creation

00:36:10.340 --> 00:36:11.960
 you have

00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:12.620
 this moment

00:36:12.620 --> 00:36:13.440
 where there

00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:13.940
 are suddenly

00:36:13.940 --> 00:36:15.019
 lions who

00:36:15.019 --> 00:36:15.380
 have like

00:36:15.380 --> 00:36:16.980
 big teeth

00:36:16.980 --> 00:36:17.320
 now

00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:18.059
 and claws

00:36:18.059 --> 00:36:18.680
 and digestive

00:36:18.680 --> 00:36:19.240
 systems that

00:36:19.240 --> 00:36:19.680
 work on

00:36:19.680 --> 00:36:20.440
 eating animals

00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:21.440
 and you

00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:21.680
 know

00:36:21.680 --> 00:36:24.120
 venomous snakes

00:36:24.120 --> 00:36:24.640
 suddenly have

00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:25.360
 to get glands

00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:26.340
 that inject

00:36:26.340 --> 00:36:26.660
 venom

00:36:26.660 --> 00:36:27.019
 you see

00:36:27.019 --> 00:36:27.180
 what I'm

00:36:27.180 --> 00:36:27.360
 saying

00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:28.039
 there seems

00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:28.240
 to be

00:36:28.240 --> 00:36:28.700
 some sort

00:36:28.700 --> 00:36:28.920
 of

00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:29.620
 there would

00:36:29.620 --> 00:36:29.920
 have to

00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:30.180
 be

00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:30.700
 some sort

00:36:30.700 --> 00:36:31.120
 of like

00:36:31.120 --> 00:36:32.380
 second

00:36:32.380 --> 00:36:33.640
 creation

00:36:33.640 --> 00:36:34.039
 event

00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:34.780
 sort of

00:36:34.780 --> 00:36:36.039
 although we

00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:36.340
 don't really

00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:36.820
 see something

00:36:36.820 --> 00:36:37.180
 like that

00:36:37.180 --> 00:36:37.539
 in scripture

00:36:37.539 --> 00:36:40.300
 and again

00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:40.740
 I think

00:36:40.740 --> 00:36:41.800
 one of the

00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:42.039
 greatest

00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:42.539
 cons of

00:36:42.539 --> 00:36:42.920
 this second

00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:43.120
 view

00:36:43.120 --> 00:36:43.460
 is just

00:36:43.460 --> 00:36:43.760
 that

00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.100
 I feel

00:36:45.100 --> 00:36:45.440
 like it

00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:46.660
 asks us

00:36:46.660 --> 00:36:47.039
 to

00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:48.480
 pretend

00:36:48.480 --> 00:36:48.820
 like we

00:36:48.820 --> 00:36:49.519
 don't see

00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:49.780
 what we

00:36:49.780 --> 00:36:50.059
 see

00:36:50.059 --> 00:36:51.620
 you know

00:36:51.620 --> 00:36:52.039
 that we

00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:52.559
 don't

00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:53.100
 that when

00:36:53.100 --> 00:36:53.500
 we watch

00:36:53.500 --> 00:36:53.800
 the nature

00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:54.220
 documentary

00:36:54.220 --> 00:36:55.080
 we honestly

00:36:55.080 --> 00:36:56.019
 don't

00:36:56.019 --> 00:36:56.440
 root

00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:57.380
 for the

00:36:57.380 --> 00:36:57.720
 squirrel

00:36:57.720 --> 00:36:59.100
 right

00:36:59.100 --> 00:36:59.539
 that's being

00:36:59.539 --> 00:37:00.080
 chased by

00:37:00.080 --> 00:37:00.559
 the fox

00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:00.900
 we're like

00:37:00.900 --> 00:37:01.360
 get away

00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:01.780
 squirrel

00:37:01.780 --> 00:37:02.260
 go

00:37:02.260 --> 00:37:04.100
 what is

00:37:04.100 --> 00:37:04.380
 that

00:37:04.380 --> 00:37:05.520
 I don't

00:37:05.520 --> 00:37:05.860
 know

00:37:05.860 --> 00:37:08.180
 so

00:37:08.180 --> 00:37:10.540
 I say

00:37:10.540 --> 00:37:10.920
 surely

00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:11.700
 we have

00:37:11.700 --> 00:37:12.820
 modern

00:37:12.820 --> 00:37:13.340
 glasses

00:37:13.340 --> 00:37:14.680
 so we

00:37:14.680 --> 00:37:14.820
 have to

00:37:14.820 --> 00:37:16.060
 come at

00:37:16.060 --> 00:37:16.360
 this with

00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:16.620
 a little

00:37:16.620 --> 00:37:16.820
 bit of

00:37:16.820 --> 00:37:17.140
 humility

00:37:17.140 --> 00:37:17.460
 right

00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:17.860
 because

00:37:17.860 --> 00:37:18.660
 we

00:37:18.660 --> 00:37:19.580
 probably

00:37:19.580 --> 00:37:19.820
 have

00:37:19.820 --> 00:37:20.080
 modern

00:37:20.080 --> 00:37:20.420
 glasses

00:37:20.420 --> 00:37:20.820
 that make

00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:20.980
 us

00:37:20.980 --> 00:37:21.680
 more apt

00:37:21.680 --> 00:37:22.540
 to

00:37:22.540 --> 00:37:23.640
 anthropomorphize

00:37:23.640 --> 00:37:24.200
 animals

00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:25.899
 their

00:37:25.899 --> 00:37:26.439
 animals

00:37:26.439 --> 00:37:26.699
 the

00:37:26.699 --> 00:37:27.219
 suffering

00:37:27.219 --> 00:37:27.579
 and death

00:37:27.579 --> 00:37:28.039
 of animals

00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:29.960
 and

00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:30.980
 it could

00:37:30.980 --> 00:37:31.319
 be

00:37:31.319 --> 00:37:32.219
 let's

00:37:32.219 --> 00:37:32.739
 be honest

00:37:32.739 --> 00:37:33.819
 most

00:37:33.819 --> 00:37:34.359
 of us

00:37:34.359 --> 00:37:35.039
 are not

00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:35.439
 spending

00:37:35.439 --> 00:37:35.960
 tons

00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:36.399
 and tons

00:37:36.399 --> 00:37:37.759
 of time

00:37:37.759 --> 00:37:38.239
 connected

00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:38.719
 to nature

00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:40.299
 most of

00:37:40.299 --> 00:37:40.480
 us

00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:40.739
 if we

00:37:40.739 --> 00:37:41.039
 have

00:37:41.039 --> 00:37:41.519
 animals

00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:41.939
 and stuff

00:37:41.939 --> 00:37:42.119
 they're

00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:42.500
 pets

00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:43.859
 and

00:37:43.859 --> 00:37:44.079
 the

00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:44.299
 death

00:37:44.299 --> 00:37:44.559
 of a

00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:44.819
 pet

00:37:44.819 --> 00:37:46.159
 is a

00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:46.480
 huge

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:47.839
 tragedy

00:37:47.839 --> 00:37:49.539
 and we

00:37:49.539 --> 00:37:49.799
 all

00:37:49.799 --> 00:37:50.319
 feel

00:37:50.319 --> 00:37:50.619
 pain

00:37:50.619 --> 00:37:50.799
 so

00:37:50.799 --> 00:37:51.059
 maybe

00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:51.259
 we

00:37:51.259 --> 00:37:51.500
 are

00:37:51.500 --> 00:37:53.279
 projecting

00:37:53.279 --> 00:37:53.699
 that

00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:54.059
 feeling

00:37:54.059 --> 00:37:54.360
 onto

00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:54.699
 nature

00:37:54.699 --> 00:37:55.079
 broadly

00:37:55.079 --> 00:37:55.639
 but

00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:55.739
 if

00:37:55.739 --> 00:37:55.820
 you

00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:56.039
 talk

00:37:56.039 --> 00:37:56.299
 to

00:37:56.299 --> 00:37:56.980
 a

00:37:56.980 --> 00:37:57.299
 farmer

00:37:57.299 --> 00:37:58.719
 they

00:37:58.719 --> 00:37:59.119
 probably

00:37:59.119 --> 00:37:59.420
 would

00:37:59.420 --> 00:37:59.559
 have

00:37:59.559 --> 00:37:59.759
 a

00:37:59.759 --> 00:38:00.599
 very

00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:01.019
 different

00:38:01.019 --> 00:38:01.519
 intuition

00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:02.199
 about

00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:02.400
 these

00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:02.759
 things

00:38:02.759 --> 00:38:03.420
 right

00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:06.699
 farmers

00:38:06.699 --> 00:38:07.219
 are hard

00:38:07.219 --> 00:38:07.799
 to find

00:38:07.799 --> 00:38:10.159
 you have

00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:10.380
 to find

00:38:10.380 --> 00:38:10.799
 a farm

00:38:10.799 --> 00:38:11.279
 first

00:38:11.279 --> 00:38:13.759
 no

00:38:13.759 --> 00:38:15.320
 but

00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:15.619
 at the

00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:15.799
 same

00:38:15.799 --> 00:38:16.179
 time

00:38:16.179 --> 00:38:17.179
 I don't

00:38:17.179 --> 00:38:17.480
 think

00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:17.840
 I can

00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:18.119
 really

00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:18.639
 ignore

00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:19.639
 my

00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:20.000
 sense

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:20.259
 that

00:38:20.259 --> 00:38:20.480
 there

00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.000
 is

00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.299
 gratuitous

00:38:22.299 --> 00:38:22.659
 suffering

00:38:22.659 --> 00:38:22.920
 in the

00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:23.119
 animal

00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:23.559
 world

00:38:23.559 --> 00:38:24.539
 almost

00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:24.900
 like

00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:25.440
 something

00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:25.679
 has

00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.139
 attempted

00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:27.000
 to

00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:27.579
 mar

00:38:27.579 --> 00:38:28.179
 God's

00:38:28.179 --> 00:38:28.380
 good

00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:28.840
 creation

00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:29.079
 but

00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:29.440
 ultimately

00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:29.880
 failed

00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.699
 so

00:38:32.699 --> 00:38:32.920
 this

00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:33.059
 is

00:38:33.059 --> 00:38:33.320
 actually

00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:33.679
 a

00:38:33.679 --> 00:38:34.219
 minority

00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:34.519
 view

00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:34.739
 in the

00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:35.039
 church

00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:36.420
 however

00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:36.719
 there

00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:36.860
 are

00:38:36.860 --> 00:38:37.199
 a few

00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:37.679
 people

00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:37.920
 in our

00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:38.199
 history

00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:38.420
 that

00:38:38.420 --> 00:38:38.559
 have

00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:39.079
 affirmed

00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:39.519
 the

00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:40.159
 basic

00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:40.539
 goodness

00:38:40.539 --> 00:38:40.820
 of the

00:38:40.820 --> 00:38:41.039
 created

00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:41.279
 world

00:38:41.279 --> 00:38:41.559
 as we

00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:41.900
 receive

00:38:41.900 --> 00:38:42.079
 it

00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:42.500
 including

00:38:42.500 --> 00:38:42.980
 things

00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:43.179
 like

00:38:43.179 --> 00:38:43.779
 predation

00:38:43.779 --> 00:38:44.340
 and

00:38:44.340 --> 00:38:44.579
 animal

00:38:44.579 --> 00:38:44.980
 death

00:38:44.980 --> 00:38:46.019
 but

00:38:46.019 --> 00:38:46.159
 that

00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:46.320
 this

00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:46.739
 basic

00:38:46.739 --> 00:38:47.199
 reflection

00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:47.400
 of

00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:47.699
 God

00:38:47.699 --> 00:38:48.779
 has

00:38:48.779 --> 00:38:49.059
 been

00:38:49.059 --> 00:38:50.079
 disordered

00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:50.860
 post

00:38:50.860 --> 00:38:51.199
 fall

00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:51.559
 to

00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:51.739
 show

00:38:51.739 --> 00:38:51.980
 more

00:38:51.980 --> 00:38:52.440
 cruelty

00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:53.500
 fear

00:38:53.500 --> 00:38:53.779
 and

00:38:53.779 --> 00:38:54.319
 ferocity

00:38:54.319 --> 00:38:55.719
 so

00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:57.480
 in this

00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:57.719
 view

00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:58.619
 the

00:38:58.619 --> 00:38:59.219
 general

00:38:59.219 --> 00:38:59.619
 structure

00:38:59.619 --> 00:38:59.779
 of

00:38:59.779 --> 00:39:00.159
 creation

00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:00.500
 with

00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:00.679
 there

00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:01.039
 being

00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:01.880
 carnivores

00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:02.139
 and

00:39:02.139 --> 00:39:02.619
 producers

00:39:02.619 --> 00:39:03.159
 and

00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:03.880
 decomposers

00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:04.199
 this is

00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:04.799
 all part

00:39:04.799 --> 00:39:04.920
 of

00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:05.199
 God's

00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:05.340
 good

00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:05.719
 creation

00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:05.920
 but

00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:06.119
 there's

00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:06.360
 something

00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:06.699
 about

00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:06.920
 it

00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:08.039
 on

00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:08.219
 the

00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:08.819
 edges

00:39:08.819 --> 00:39:09.139
 that

00:39:09.139 --> 00:39:09.819
 has

00:39:09.819 --> 00:39:10.099
 been

00:39:10.099 --> 00:39:10.840
 corrupted

00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:11.099
 or

00:39:11.099 --> 00:39:11.679
 disordered

00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:11.900
 or

00:39:11.900 --> 00:39:12.679
 twinsed

00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:12.900
 by the

00:39:12.900 --> 00:39:13.099
 fall

00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:15.819
 proponents

00:39:15.819 --> 00:39:16.000
 of

00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:16.159
 this

00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:16.480
 view

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:17.719
 would

00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:18.219
 include

00:39:18.219 --> 00:39:18.779
 Gregory

00:39:18.779 --> 00:39:18.940
 of

00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:19.699
 Nazianzus

00:39:19.699 --> 00:39:20.400
 John

00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:20.519
 of

00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:21.239
 Damascus

00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:22.239
 Ephraim

00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:22.420
 the

00:39:22.420 --> 00:39:22.799
 Syrian

00:39:22.799 --> 00:39:23.659
 Hugh

00:39:23.659 --> 00:39:23.839
 of

00:39:23.839 --> 00:39:24.019
 Saint

00:39:24.019 --> 00:39:24.339
 Victor

00:39:24.339 --> 00:39:24.500
 and

00:39:24.500 --> 00:39:25.019
 Bonaventure

00:39:25.019 --> 00:39:25.360
 in the

00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:25.619
 modern

00:39:25.619 --> 00:39:26.000
 period

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:26.679
 people

00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:26.920
 like

00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:27.159
 John

00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:27.579
 Wesley

00:39:27.579 --> 00:39:28.639
 C.S.

00:39:28.699 --> 00:39:28.960
 Lewis

00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:29.440
 J.R.

00:39:29.539 --> 00:39:29.900
 Tolkien

00:39:29.900 --> 00:39:30.860
 Alvin

00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:31.400
 Plantinga

00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:31.599
 and

00:39:31.599 --> 00:39:31.860
 Gavin

00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:32.179
 Ortland

00:39:32.179 --> 00:39:34.279
 now

00:39:34.279 --> 00:39:34.559
 that's

00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:34.819
 not

00:39:34.819 --> 00:39:35.299
 a

00:39:35.299 --> 00:39:37.299
 among

00:39:37.299 --> 00:39:37.819
 others

00:39:37.819 --> 00:39:38.539
 list

00:39:38.539 --> 00:39:39.279
 that is

00:39:39.279 --> 00:39:39.679
 as far

00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:39.940
 as I

00:39:39.940 --> 00:39:40.179
 know

00:39:40.179 --> 00:39:40.559
 the

00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:41.179
 entire

00:39:41.179 --> 00:39:41.779
 list

00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:42.660
 so

00:39:42.660 --> 00:39:42.960
 when I

00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:43.180
 say

00:39:43.180 --> 00:39:43.360
 it's

00:39:43.360 --> 00:39:43.480
 a

00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:43.840
 minority

00:39:43.840 --> 00:39:44.160
 view

00:39:44.160 --> 00:39:44.340
 it

00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:44.480
 is

00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:44.620
 a

00:39:44.620 --> 00:39:44.960
 minority

00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:45.260
 view

00:39:45.260 --> 00:39:45.940
 okay

00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:49.160
 and

00:39:49.160 --> 00:39:49.480
 depending

00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:49.740
 on

00:39:49.740 --> 00:39:50.019
 which

00:39:50.019 --> 00:39:50.160
 one

00:39:50.160 --> 00:39:50.240
 of

00:39:50.240 --> 00:39:50.360
 these

00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:50.620
 figures

00:39:50.620 --> 00:39:50.840
 you're

00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:51.060
 looking

00:39:51.060 --> 00:39:51.300
 at

00:39:51.300 --> 00:39:51.480
 they

00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:51.780
 actually

00:39:51.780 --> 00:39:52.040
 might

00:39:52.040 --> 00:39:52.480
 fault

00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:53.380
 the

00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:54.160
 angelic

00:39:54.160 --> 00:39:54.380
 or

00:39:54.380 --> 00:39:54.720
 human

00:39:54.720 --> 00:39:55.080
 fall

00:39:55.080 --> 00:39:55.400
 with

00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:55.760
 this

00:39:55.760 --> 00:39:56.200
 disorder

00:39:56.200 --> 00:39:56.400
 that

00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:56.500
 we

00:39:56.500 --> 00:39:56.760
 see

00:39:56.760 --> 00:39:59.300
 and

00:39:59.300 --> 00:40:00.200
 but

00:40:00.200 --> 00:40:00.340
 I

00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:00.460
 will

00:40:00.460 --> 00:40:00.960
 remain

00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:01.360
 brief

00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:01.580
 here

00:40:01.580 --> 00:40:01.900
 because

00:40:01.900 --> 00:40:02.260
 honestly

00:40:02.260 --> 00:40:03.480
 this

00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:03.760
 view

00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:03.960
 is

00:40:03.960 --> 00:40:04.740
 basically

00:40:04.740 --> 00:40:04.980
 a

00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:05.320
 blending

00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:06.000
 of

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:06.140
 the

00:40:06.140 --> 00:40:06.700
 intuitions

00:40:06.700 --> 00:40:06.840
 of

00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:06.960
 the

00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:07.160
 first

00:40:07.160 --> 00:40:07.360
 two

00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:07.620
 views

00:40:07.620 --> 00:40:07.860
 and

00:40:07.860 --> 00:40:08.019
 will

00:40:08.019 --> 00:40:08.460
 rely

00:40:08.460 --> 00:40:08.680
 on

00:40:08.680 --> 00:40:08.840
 their

00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:09.600
 arguments

00:40:09.600 --> 00:40:09.780
 at

00:40:09.780 --> 00:40:09.980
 different

00:40:09.980 --> 00:40:10.360
 places

00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:11.160
 so

00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:11.960
 a

00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:12.359
 proponent

00:40:12.359 --> 00:40:12.480
 of

00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:12.619
 this

00:40:12.619 --> 00:40:12.859
 view

00:40:12.859 --> 00:40:13.179
 might

00:40:13.179 --> 00:40:13.519
 say

00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:14.119
 I

00:40:14.119 --> 00:40:14.420
 agree

00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:14.599
 with

00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:14.859
 Dr.

00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:15.259
 Collins

00:40:15.259 --> 00:40:15.779
 that

00:40:15.779 --> 00:40:16.159
 Isaiah

00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:17.039
 11

00:40:17.039 --> 00:40:17.319
 is

00:40:17.319 --> 00:40:17.859
 really

00:40:17.859 --> 00:40:18.859
 primarily

00:40:18.859 --> 00:40:19.420
 talking

00:40:19.420 --> 00:40:19.859
 about

00:40:19.859 --> 00:40:20.539
 the

00:40:20.539 --> 00:40:21.000
 relationship

00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:21.239
 of

00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:21.399
 Jew

00:40:21.399 --> 00:40:21.539
 and

00:40:21.539 --> 00:40:22.079
 Gentile

00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:22.659
 in

00:40:22.659 --> 00:40:23.099
 the

00:40:23.099 --> 00:40:23.259
 new

00:40:23.259 --> 00:40:23.539
 covenant

00:40:23.539 --> 00:40:24.319
 that

00:40:24.319 --> 00:40:24.519
 this

00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:24.679
 is

00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:25.480
 a

00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:27.480
 new

00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:28.039
 harmony

00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:28.699
 between

00:40:28.699 --> 00:40:29.940
 previously

00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:30.679
 warring

00:40:30.679 --> 00:40:31.739
 factions

00:40:31.739 --> 00:40:33.059
 but

00:40:33.059 --> 00:40:33.159
 they

00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:33.359
 also

00:40:33.359 --> 00:40:33.619
 might

00:40:33.619 --> 00:40:33.960
 say

00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:34.719
 but

00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:34.859
 I

00:40:34.859 --> 00:40:35.159
 don't

00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:35.420
 really

00:40:35.420 --> 00:40:36.259
 agree

00:40:36.259 --> 00:40:36.420
 with

00:40:36.420 --> 00:40:36.599
 Dr.

00:40:36.599 --> 00:40:36.960
 Collins

00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:37.480
 that

00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:37.980
 Genesis

00:40:37.980 --> 00:40:38.399
 1

00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:40.019
 is

00:40:40.019 --> 00:40:40.320
 not

00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:40.740
 talking

00:40:40.740 --> 00:40:41.160
 about

00:40:41.160 --> 00:40:41.900
 prohibiting

00:40:41.900 --> 00:40:42.559
 predation

00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.039
 or

00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:44.420
 at least

00:40:44.420 --> 00:40:46.019
 something

00:40:46.019 --> 00:40:46.539
 about

00:40:46.539 --> 00:40:47.780
 the way

00:40:47.780 --> 00:40:47.960
 that

00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:48.180
 land

00:40:48.180 --> 00:40:48.500
 animals

00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:48.900
 work

00:40:48.900 --> 00:40:49.680
 is

00:40:49.680 --> 00:40:50.079
 different

00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:50.579
 now

00:40:50.579 --> 00:40:50.760
 than

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:50.880
 it

00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:51.039
 used

00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:51.139
 to

00:40:51.139 --> 00:40:52.099
 be

00:40:52.099 --> 00:40:52.300
 you

00:40:52.300 --> 00:40:52.480
 know

00:40:52.480 --> 00:40:53.820
 so

00:40:53.820 --> 00:40:54.519
 it would

00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:54.599
 be

00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:54.720
 kind

00:40:54.720 --> 00:40:54.800
 of

00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:55.200
 pedantic

00:40:55.200 --> 00:40:55.500
 for me

00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:55.619
 to

00:40:55.619 --> 00:40:55.840
 go

00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:56.059
 and

00:40:56.059 --> 00:40:56.240
 say

00:40:56.240 --> 00:40:57.220
 here

00:40:57.220 --> 00:40:57.340
 are

00:40:57.340 --> 00:40:57.460
 all

00:40:57.460 --> 00:40:57.599
 the

00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:58.079
 possible

00:40:58.079 --> 00:40:58.760
 combinations

00:40:58.760 --> 00:40:59.119
 of

00:40:59.119 --> 00:40:59.260
 all

00:40:59.260 --> 00:40:59.400
 the

00:40:59.400 --> 00:40:59.639
 different

00:40:59.639 --> 00:40:59.920
 two

00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:00.240
 views

00:41:00.240 --> 00:41:00.579
 so

00:41:00.579 --> 00:41:00.680
 I'm

00:41:00.680 --> 00:41:00.800
 not

00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:00.920
 going

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:00.940
 to

00:41:00.940 --> 00:41:02.079
 spend

00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:02.300
 time

00:41:02.300 --> 00:41:02.480
 doing

00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:02.780
 that

00:41:02.780 --> 00:41:04.540
 yeah

00:41:04.540 --> 00:41:05.080
 Richard

00:41:05.080 --> 00:41:05.480
 so

00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.920
 one of

00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:09.140
 the things

00:41:09.140 --> 00:41:09.500
 I've

00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:09.960
 learned

00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:10.519
 from

00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:11.540
 listening

00:41:11.540 --> 00:41:11.780
 to

00:41:11.780 --> 00:41:12.160
 Christian

00:41:12.160 --> 00:41:12.680
 teachers

00:41:12.680 --> 00:41:13.100
 and reading

00:41:13.100 --> 00:41:13.320
 my

00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:13.620
 Bible

00:41:13.620 --> 00:41:14.580
 is

00:41:14.580 --> 00:41:14.960
 that

00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:15.540
 we

00:41:15.540 --> 00:41:15.900
 hold

00:41:15.900 --> 00:41:16.340
 certain

00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:17.040
 truths

00:41:17.040 --> 00:41:17.600
 in

00:41:17.600 --> 00:41:18.120
 tension

00:41:18.120 --> 00:41:18.920
 with

00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:19.180
 each

00:41:19.180 --> 00:41:19.480
 other

00:41:19.480 --> 00:41:20.320
 and

00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:21.100
 really

00:41:21.100 --> 00:41:22.080
 Christians

00:41:22.080 --> 00:41:22.340
 have

00:41:22.340 --> 00:41:22.660
 gotten

00:41:22.660 --> 00:41:23.040
 really

00:41:23.040 --> 00:41:23.460
 good

00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:23.620
 at

00:41:23.620 --> 00:41:23.860
 doing

00:41:23.860 --> 00:41:24.200
 that

00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:25.180
 and

00:41:25.180 --> 00:41:25.500
 it's

00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:25.680
 a

00:41:25.680 --> 00:41:26.000
 shame

00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:26.280
 that

00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:26.600
 only

00:41:26.600 --> 00:41:26.840
 a

00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:27.360
 minority

00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:27.740
 that

00:41:27.740 --> 00:41:27.900
 you

00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:28.260
 speak

00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:28.620
 about

00:41:28.620 --> 00:41:29.280
 have

00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:29.580
 even

00:41:29.580 --> 00:41:30.180
 attempted

00:41:30.180 --> 00:41:30.800
 to

00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:31.120
 hold

00:41:31.120 --> 00:41:31.400
 these

00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:31.900
 ideas

00:41:31.900 --> 00:41:32.140
 in

00:41:32.140 --> 00:41:32.500
 tension

00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:32.840
 with

00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:33.079
 one

00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:33.480
 another

00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:34.559
 yeah

00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:34.800
 I

00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:34.960
 mean

00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:35.119
 it

00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:35.320
 could

00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:35.619
 be

00:41:35.619 --> 00:41:36.139
 maybe

00:41:36.139 --> 00:41:36.400
 a

00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:36.860
 better

00:41:36.860 --> 00:41:37.059
 way

00:41:37.059 --> 00:41:37.159
 of

00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:37.380
 saying

00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:37.679
 instead

00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:37.820
 of

00:41:37.820 --> 00:41:38.139
 saying

00:41:38.139 --> 00:41:38.699
 we

00:41:38.699 --> 00:41:38.840
 have

00:41:38.840 --> 00:41:39.260
 black

00:41:39.260 --> 00:41:39.579
 hats

00:41:39.579 --> 00:41:39.760
 over

00:41:39.760 --> 00:41:40.139
 here

00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:40.760
 white

00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:41.000
 hats

00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:41.179
 over

00:41:41.179 --> 00:41:41.579
 here

00:41:41.579 --> 00:41:42.239
 and

00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:42.400
 the

00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:42.599
 few

00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:42.920
 gray

00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:43.219
 hats

00:41:43.219 --> 00:41:43.320
 in

00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:43.420
 the

00:41:43.420 --> 00:41:43.639
 middle

00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:44.679
 it

00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:44.960
 might

00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:45.300
 actually

00:41:45.300 --> 00:41:45.480
 be

00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:45.820
 more

00:41:45.820 --> 00:41:46.280
 appropriate

00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:46.840
 to

00:41:46.840 --> 00:41:47.039
 think

00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:47.179
 of

00:41:47.179 --> 00:41:47.280
 it

00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:47.460
 as

00:41:47.460 --> 00:41:47.619
 a

00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:47.960
 spectrum

00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:50.159
 and

00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:50.460
 that

00:41:50.460 --> 00:41:51.440
 there

00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:51.619
 are

00:41:51.619 --> 00:41:52.380
 definable

00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:53.219
 groups

00:41:53.219 --> 00:41:53.539
 within

00:41:53.539 --> 00:41:53.739
 the

00:41:53.739 --> 00:41:54.079
 spectrum

00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:54.280
 but

00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:56.440
 each

00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:56.599
 of

00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:56.760
 these

00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:57.079
 different

00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:57.380
 views

00:41:57.380 --> 00:41:57.980
 probably

00:41:57.980 --> 00:41:58.239
 is

00:41:58.239 --> 00:41:58.579
 trying

00:41:58.579 --> 00:41:58.760
 to

00:41:58.760 --> 00:41:58.900
 get

00:41:58.900 --> 00:41:59.099
 at

00:41:59.099 --> 00:41:59.260
 that

00:41:59.260 --> 00:41:59.639
 tension

00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:00.219
 but

00:42:00.219 --> 00:42:00.480
 maybe

00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:00.739
 they

00:42:00.739 --> 00:42:01.059
 are

00:42:01.059 --> 00:42:01.799
 waiting

00:42:01.799 --> 00:42:02.259
 one

00:42:02.259 --> 00:42:02.619
 side

00:42:02.619 --> 00:42:02.799
 over

00:42:02.799 --> 00:42:02.959
 the

00:42:02.959 --> 00:42:03.219
 other

00:42:03.219 --> 00:42:04.079
 right

00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:05.699
 so

00:42:05.699 --> 00:42:07.779
 and

00:42:07.779 --> 00:42:08.399
 I'll

00:42:08.399 --> 00:42:08.719
 finish

00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:09.119
 up

00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:09.500
 by

00:42:09.500 --> 00:42:10.719
 I

00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:11.079
 don't

00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:11.239
 I

00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:11.539
 really

00:42:11.539 --> 00:42:11.739
 want

00:42:11.739 --> 00:42:11.819
 to

00:42:11.819 --> 00:42:11.980
 make

00:42:11.980 --> 00:42:12.259
 sure

00:42:12.259 --> 00:42:12.619
 I

00:42:12.619 --> 00:42:12.799
 make

00:42:12.799 --> 00:42:13.299
 clear

00:42:13.299 --> 00:42:14.199
 that

00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:14.659
 proponents

00:42:14.659 --> 00:42:14.939
 of the

00:42:14.939 --> 00:42:15.239
 first

00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:15.519
 view

00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:16.779
 don't

00:42:16.779 --> 00:42:17.000
 think

00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:17.259
 that you

00:42:17.259 --> 00:42:17.439
 should

00:42:17.439 --> 00:42:17.659
 hate

00:42:17.659 --> 00:42:18.039
 nature

00:42:18.039 --> 00:42:19.739
 proponents

00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:20.059
 of the

00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:20.379
 second

00:42:20.379 --> 00:42:20.739
 view

00:42:20.739 --> 00:42:21.919
 don't

00:42:21.919 --> 00:42:22.259
 believe

00:42:22.259 --> 00:42:22.799
 that

00:42:22.799 --> 00:42:23.219
 everything

00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:23.539
 is

00:42:23.539 --> 00:42:24.419
 perfectly

00:42:24.419 --> 00:42:24.759
 great

00:42:24.759 --> 00:42:25.119
 all the

00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:25.500
 time

00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:26.579
 and

00:42:26.579 --> 00:42:26.900
 that

00:42:26.900 --> 00:42:27.300
 you

00:42:27.300 --> 00:42:27.480
 should

00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:27.739
 just

00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:28.179
 you

00:42:28.179 --> 00:42:28.280
 know

00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:28.559
 life

00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:28.719
 is

00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:29.039
 awesome

00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:29.539
 and

00:42:29.539 --> 00:42:29.659
 that

00:42:29.659 --> 00:42:29.920
 human

00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:31.019
 sin

00:42:31.019 --> 00:42:31.380
 hasn't

00:42:31.380 --> 00:42:31.679
 affected

00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:32.019
 nature

00:42:32.019 --> 00:42:32.139
 in

00:42:32.139 --> 00:42:32.300
 any

00:42:32.300 --> 00:42:32.519
 way

00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:33.019
 right

00:42:33.019 --> 00:42:36.340
 but

00:42:36.340 --> 00:42:37.159
 they

00:42:37.159 --> 00:42:37.760
 would

00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:39.579
 lean

00:42:39.579 --> 00:42:40.719
 they

00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:40.980
 would

00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:41.400
 lean

00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:41.639
 in

00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:41.860
 their

00:42:41.860 --> 00:42:42.460
 perception

00:42:42.460 --> 00:42:42.900
 on

00:42:42.900 --> 00:42:43.219
 one

00:42:43.219 --> 00:42:43.579
 end

00:42:43.579 --> 00:42:43.940
 of

00:42:43.940 --> 00:42:44.699
 weighing

00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.000
 those

00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:45.199
 two

00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:45.539
 things

00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:45.780
 the

00:42:45.780 --> 00:42:46.119
 goodness

00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:46.340
 of

00:42:46.340 --> 00:42:46.679
 creation

00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:46.860
 and

00:42:46.860 --> 00:42:47.000
 the

00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:47.380
 fallenness

00:42:47.380 --> 00:42:47.500
 of

00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:47.780
 nature

00:42:47.780 --> 00:42:49.360
 and

00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:49.500
 this

00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:49.780
 middle

00:42:49.780 --> 00:42:50.039
 group

00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:50.219
 is

00:42:50.219 --> 00:42:50.440
 sort

00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:50.539
 of

00:42:50.539 --> 00:42:50.760
 those

00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:50.980
 people

00:42:50.980 --> 00:42:51.099
 who

00:42:51.099 --> 00:42:51.179
 are

00:42:51.179 --> 00:42:51.420
 like

00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:52.739
 I

00:42:52.739 --> 00:42:52.960
 kind

00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:53.059
 of

00:42:53.059 --> 00:42:53.239
 want

00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:53.340
 to

00:42:53.340 --> 00:42:54.500
 hold

00:42:54.500 --> 00:42:54.639
 them

00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:54.960
 together

00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:55.220
 really

00:42:55.220 --> 00:42:55.559
 tight

00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:56.240
 somehow

00:42:56.240 --> 00:42:56.539
 you

00:42:56.539 --> 00:42:56.960
 know

00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:57.539
 can

00:42:57.539 --> 00:42:57.659
 I

00:42:57.659 --> 00:42:57.780
 ask

00:42:57.780 --> 00:42:57.880
 you

00:42:57.880 --> 00:42:57.980
 a

00:42:57.980 --> 00:42:58.220
 question

00:42:58.220 --> 00:42:58.480
 about

00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:58.820
 Dr.

00:42:58.920 --> 00:42:59.340
 Collins

00:42:59.340 --> 00:42:59.699
 yeah

00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:02.199
 so

00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:02.940
 he

00:43:02.940 --> 00:43:03.420
 thinks

00:43:03.420 --> 00:43:04.240
 that

00:43:04.240 --> 00:43:05.519
 the

00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:06.059
 present

00:43:06.059 --> 00:43:06.480
 state

00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:06.639
 of

00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:06.760
 the

00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:07.139
 world

00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:07.440
 of

00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:07.860
 nature

00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:08.440
 okay

00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.740
 is

00:43:11.740 --> 00:43:12.199
 as

00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:12.500
 God

00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:13.000
 pronounced

00:43:13.000 --> 00:43:13.199
 it

00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:13.460
 very

00:43:13.460 --> 00:43:13.840
 good

00:43:13.840 --> 00:43:14.119
 yep

00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:15.480
 so

00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:15.720
 he

00:43:15.720 --> 00:43:16.199
 doesn't

00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:16.599
 think

00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:17.000
 that

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:17.240
 it's

00:43:17.240 --> 00:43:17.619
 merely

00:43:17.619 --> 00:43:18.400
 good

00:43:18.400 --> 00:43:19.699
 no

00:43:19.699 --> 00:43:19.960
 he

00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:20.179
 thinks

00:43:20.179 --> 00:43:20.360
 it's

00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:20.699
 very

00:43:20.699 --> 00:43:21.000
 good

00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:21.740
 I

00:43:21.740 --> 00:43:22.079
 can't

00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:22.220
 go

00:43:22.220 --> 00:43:22.460
 that

00:43:22.460 --> 00:43:22.820
 far

00:43:22.820 --> 00:43:24.139
 yeah

00:43:24.139 --> 00:43:25.000
 yeah

00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:25.420
 and

00:43:25.420 --> 00:43:25.759
 that's

00:43:25.759 --> 00:43:26.019
 right

00:43:26.019 --> 00:43:26.359
 that's

00:43:26.359 --> 00:43:26.539
 the

00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:27.000
 that's

00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:27.119
 the

00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:27.339
 hard

00:43:27.339 --> 00:43:27.599
 part

00:43:27.599 --> 00:43:27.839
 it's

00:43:27.839 --> 00:43:28.019
 like

00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:28.379
 oh

00:43:28.379 --> 00:43:28.579
 how

00:43:28.579 --> 00:43:28.659
 do

00:43:28.659 --> 00:43:28.879
 we

00:43:28.879 --> 00:43:29.859
 how

00:43:29.859 --> 00:43:29.960
 do

00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:30.039
 we

00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:30.159
 deal

00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:30.299
 with

00:43:30.299 --> 00:43:30.559
 that

00:43:30.559 --> 00:43:31.139
 you

00:43:31.139 --> 00:43:31.259
 know

00:43:31.259 --> 00:43:33.559
 yeah

00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:34.879
 right

00:43:34.879 --> 00:43:36.659
 and

00:43:36.659 --> 00:43:37.000
 so

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:37.319
 yeah

00:43:37.319 --> 00:43:37.940
 it's

00:43:37.940 --> 00:43:38.199
 it's

00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:38.339
 a

00:43:38.339 --> 00:43:38.559
 it's

00:43:38.559 --> 00:43:38.659
 a

00:43:38.659 --> 00:43:38.859
 hard

00:43:38.859 --> 00:43:39.339
 problem

00:43:39.339 --> 00:43:40.159
 now

00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:40.440
 for

00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:40.659
 this

00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:41.159
 third

00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:41.480
 view

00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:41.900
 the

00:43:41.900 --> 00:43:42.079
 sort

00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:42.219
 of

00:43:42.219 --> 00:43:42.639
 middle

00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:42.980
 view

00:43:42.980 --> 00:43:43.900
 Jared

00:43:43.900 --> 00:43:44.279
 Tolkien

00:43:44.279 --> 00:43:45.099
 seems

00:43:45.099 --> 00:43:45.319
 to be

00:43:45.319 --> 00:43:45.739
 trading

00:43:45.739 --> 00:43:46.019
 on

00:43:46.019 --> 00:43:46.219
 this

00:43:46.219 --> 00:43:46.400
 when

00:43:46.400 --> 00:43:46.599
 he

00:43:46.599 --> 00:43:46.940
 depicts

00:43:46.940 --> 00:43:47.119
 his

00:43:47.119 --> 00:43:47.559
 creation

00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:47.940
 account

00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:48.079
 in

00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:48.199
 the

00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:48.679
 Silmarillion

00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:49.420
 I

00:43:49.420 --> 00:43:49.539
 don't

00:43:49.539 --> 00:43:49.659
 know

00:43:49.659 --> 00:43:49.759
 if

00:43:49.759 --> 00:43:49.879
 any

00:43:49.879 --> 00:43:49.980
 of

00:43:49.980 --> 00:43:50.059
 you

00:43:50.059 --> 00:43:50.079
!

00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:56.799
 you

00:43:56.799 --> 00:43:56.799


00:43:56.799 --> 00:43:56.920
 the

00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:57.239
 creation

00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:57.539
 account

00:43:57.539 --> 00:43:57.739
 because

00:43:57.739 --> 00:43:57.920
 it was

00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:58.079
 the

00:43:58.079 --> 00:43:58.319
 very

00:43:58.319 --> 00:43:58.639
 first

00:43:58.639 --> 00:43:59.079
 page

00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:00.119
 and

00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:00.279
 it

00:44:00.279 --> 00:44:00.519
 was

00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:00.659
 I

00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:00.759
 think

00:44:00.759 --> 00:44:00.900
 it's

00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:01.219
 only

00:44:01.219 --> 00:44:01.779
 one

00:44:01.779 --> 00:44:02.139
 page

00:44:02.139 --> 00:44:02.559
 so

00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:02.759
 if

00:44:02.759 --> 00:44:02.840
 you

00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:03.099
 got

00:44:03.099 --> 00:44:03.299
 through

00:44:03.299 --> 00:44:03.579
 one

00:44:03.579 --> 00:44:03.940
 page

00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:04.039
 of

00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:04.139
 the

00:44:04.139 --> 00:44:04.559
 Silmarillion

00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:04.920
 you

00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:05.139
 read

00:44:05.139 --> 00:44:05.319
 this

00:44:05.319 --> 00:44:05.559
 part

00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:06.719
 but

00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:07.039
 basically

00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:07.259
 in

00:44:07.259 --> 00:44:07.440
 this

00:44:07.440 --> 00:44:07.920
 story

00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:08.739
 Iluvatar

00:44:08.739 --> 00:44:09.199
 who is

00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:09.380
 sort

00:44:09.380 --> 00:44:09.539
 of

00:44:09.539 --> 00:44:09.759
 the

00:44:09.759 --> 00:44:10.559
 god

00:44:10.559 --> 00:44:10.960
 figure

00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:12.059
 is

00:44:12.059 --> 00:44:12.500
 leading

00:44:12.500 --> 00:44:13.039
 the

00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:13.340
 god

00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:13.599
 like

00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:14.139
 Ainur

00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:14.480
 who are

00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:14.679
 kind

00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:14.759
 of

00:44:14.759 --> 00:44:14.980
 like

00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:15.500
 angels

00:44:15.500 --> 00:44:16.219
 in

00:44:16.219 --> 00:44:16.460
 this

00:44:16.460 --> 00:44:16.840
 song

00:44:16.840 --> 00:44:17.000
 of

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:17.500
 creation

00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:18.239
 and

00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:18.840
 Melkor

00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:19.259
 who is

00:44:19.259 --> 00:44:19.579
 the

00:44:19.579 --> 00:44:20.900
 devil

00:44:20.900 --> 00:44:21.340
 figure

00:44:21.340 --> 00:44:21.619
 is

00:44:21.619 --> 00:44:22.099
 constantly

00:44:22.099 --> 00:44:22.539
 ringing

00:44:22.539 --> 00:44:22.759
 a

00:44:22.759 --> 00:44:23.480
 discordant

00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:23.880
 note

00:44:23.880 --> 00:44:24.299
 in

00:44:24.299 --> 00:44:24.559
 this

00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:25.219
 song

00:44:25.219 --> 00:44:25.400
 of

00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:25.880
 creation

00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:26.679
 but

00:44:26.679 --> 00:44:27.119
 Iluvatar

00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:27.340
 is

00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:27.719
 always

00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:28.340
 taking

00:44:28.340 --> 00:44:29.099
 that

00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:29.619
 discordant

00:44:29.619 --> 00:44:29.860
 note

00:44:29.860 --> 00:44:30.319
 and

00:44:30.319 --> 00:44:31.480
 harmonizing

00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:31.619
 it

00:44:31.619 --> 00:44:31.759
 and

00:44:31.759 --> 00:44:32.019
 bringing

00:44:32.019 --> 00:44:32.239
 it

00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:32.679
 back

00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:33.219
 into

00:44:33.219 --> 00:44:33.500
 the

00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:33.819
 story

00:44:33.819 --> 00:44:34.000
 and

00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:34.500
 harmonizing

00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:34.759
 it

00:44:34.759 --> 00:44:35.319
 and

00:44:35.319 --> 00:44:35.460
 this

00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:35.619
 sort

00:44:35.619 --> 00:44:35.759
 of

00:44:35.759 --> 00:44:36.139
 gets

00:44:36.139 --> 00:44:37.039
 kind

00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:37.259
 of

00:44:37.259 --> 00:44:37.500
 brings

00:44:37.500 --> 00:44:38.039
 an

00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:38.739
 imaginative

00:44:38.739 --> 00:44:39.340
 expression

00:44:39.340 --> 00:44:39.699
 of the

00:44:39.699 --> 00:44:40.340
 possibility

00:44:40.340 --> 00:44:41.139
 of

00:44:41.139 --> 00:44:41.679
 god's

00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:41.940
 self

00:44:41.940 --> 00:44:42.659
 revelation

00:44:42.659 --> 00:44:43.059
 in

00:44:43.059 --> 00:44:43.440
 nature

00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:44.079
 but

00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:44.239
 that

00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.380
 is

00:44:44.380 --> 00:44:45.000
 disordered

00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:45.239
 at the

00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:45.659
 margins

00:44:45.659 --> 00:44:46.239
 but

00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:47.119
 reworked

00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:47.619
 finally

00:44:47.619 --> 00:44:48.000
 into

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:48.199
 the

00:44:48.199 --> 00:44:48.480
 whole

00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:49.119
 as

00:44:49.119 --> 00:44:49.859
 very

00:44:49.859 --> 00:44:50.199
 good

00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:52.599
 so

00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:53.299
 how do

00:44:53.299 --> 00:44:53.759
 we end

00:44:53.759 --> 00:44:54.139
 oh

00:44:54.139 --> 00:44:54.899
 go ahead

00:44:54.899 --> 00:44:56.839
 that is

00:44:56.839 --> 00:44:57.179
 you Matt

00:44:57.179 --> 00:44:57.519
 sorry

00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:59.019
 has

00:44:59.019 --> 00:44:59.380
 anybody

00:44:59.380 --> 00:44:59.920
 tried

00:44:59.920 --> 00:45:00.259
 to

00:45:00.259 --> 00:45:00.940
 look

00:45:00.940 --> 00:45:01.099
 at

00:45:01.099 --> 00:45:01.340
 these

00:45:01.340 --> 00:45:01.980
 issues

00:45:01.980 --> 00:45:02.659
 through

00:45:02.659 --> 00:45:02.860
 the

00:45:02.860 --> 00:45:03.380
 lens

00:45:03.380 --> 00:45:03.940
 of

00:45:03.940 --> 00:45:04.579
 the

00:45:04.579 --> 00:45:05.079
 garden

00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:05.719
 god

00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:06.340
 planted

00:45:06.340 --> 00:45:07.699
 and

00:45:07.699 --> 00:45:08.800
 a

00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:09.119
 man

00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:09.820
 ruling

00:45:09.820 --> 00:45:11.539
 first

00:45:11.539 --> 00:45:12.079
 in the

00:45:12.079 --> 00:45:12.380
 garden

00:45:12.380 --> 00:45:13.420
 and

00:45:13.420 --> 00:45:13.940
 then

00:45:13.940 --> 00:45:15.320
 with

00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:15.699
 the

00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:16.759
 worldwide

00:45:16.759 --> 00:45:18.159
 commission

00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:18.460
 of

00:45:18.460 --> 00:45:19.059
 Genesis

00:45:19.059 --> 00:45:19.519
 1

00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:19.920
 to go

00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:20.259
 out

00:45:20.259 --> 00:45:21.019
 and have

00:45:21.019 --> 00:45:21.360
 to be

00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:22.460
 all the

00:45:22.460 --> 00:45:22.759
 world

00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:23.720
 yeah

00:45:23.720 --> 00:45:24.460
 a lot

00:45:24.460 --> 00:45:24.540
 of

00:45:24.540 --> 00:45:24.700
 times

00:45:24.700 --> 00:45:24.960
 people

00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:25.640
 who

00:45:25.640 --> 00:45:26.160
 take

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:26.320
 the

00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:26.580
 second

00:45:26.580 --> 00:45:26.900
 view

00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:27.340
 actually

00:45:27.340 --> 00:45:27.580
 would

00:45:27.580 --> 00:45:27.940
 say

00:45:27.940 --> 00:45:28.960
 that

00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:29.920
 the

00:45:29.920 --> 00:45:30.220
 garden

00:45:30.220 --> 00:45:30.400
 of

00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:30.600
 Eden

00:45:30.600 --> 00:45:30.820
 was

00:45:30.820 --> 00:45:31.000
 sort

00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:31.100
 of

00:45:31.100 --> 00:45:31.320
 the

00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:32.160
 landing

00:45:32.160 --> 00:45:33.900
 zone

00:45:33.900 --> 00:45:34.960
 of

00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:36.660
 humanity's

00:45:36.660 --> 00:45:37.120
 rule

00:45:37.120 --> 00:45:37.620
 over

00:45:37.620 --> 00:45:38.220
 creation

00:45:38.220 --> 00:45:39.300
 vice

00:45:39.300 --> 00:45:39.840
 regency

00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:40.160
 over

00:45:40.160 --> 00:45:40.500
 creation

00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:40.740
 you could

00:45:40.740 --> 00:45:40.980
 say

00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:42.080
 and that

00:45:42.080 --> 00:45:43.220
 the

00:45:43.220 --> 00:45:44.140
 commission

00:45:44.140 --> 00:45:44.640
 was to

00:45:44.640 --> 00:45:45.200
 go out

00:45:45.200 --> 00:45:45.920
 and spread

00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:46.980
 the bliss

00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:47.700
 of Eden

00:45:47.700 --> 00:45:48.260
 across the

00:45:48.260 --> 00:45:48.420
 whole

00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:48.880
 world

00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:49.900
 and that

00:45:49.900 --> 00:45:50.920
 when

00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:51.440
 Adam and

00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:52.039
 Eve are

00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:53.039
 kicked out

00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:53.240
 of the

00:45:53.240 --> 00:45:53.539
 garden

00:45:53.539 --> 00:45:54.519
 you know

00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:56.019
 there are

00:45:56.019 --> 00:45:56.640
 no squatters

00:45:56.640 --> 00:45:57.079
 in the

00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:57.340
 garden

00:45:57.340 --> 00:46:00.220
 they are

00:46:00.220 --> 00:46:01.480
 now going

00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:02.240
 to encounter

00:46:02.240 --> 00:46:03.059
 thorns and

00:46:03.059 --> 00:46:03.579
 thistles for

00:46:03.579 --> 00:46:03.880
 the first

00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:04.220
 time

00:46:04.220 --> 00:46:05.660
 so it's

00:46:05.660 --> 00:46:05.900
 not that

00:46:05.900 --> 00:46:06.260
 they didn't

00:46:06.260 --> 00:46:06.840
 exist

00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:07.280
 but that

00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:07.559
 they

00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:08.680
 would

00:46:08.680 --> 00:46:09.780
 not have

00:46:09.780 --> 00:46:10.460
 experienced

00:46:10.460 --> 00:46:10.960
 them the

00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:11.260
 way they

00:46:11.260 --> 00:46:11.619
 would have

00:46:11.619 --> 00:46:12.099
 had they

00:46:12.099 --> 00:46:12.760
 been growing

00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:13.420
 Eden

00:46:13.420 --> 00:46:13.940
 out

00:46:13.940 --> 00:46:14.619
 as opposed

00:46:14.619 --> 00:46:14.960
 to being

00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:15.200
 kicked

00:46:15.200 --> 00:46:15.599
 out of

00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:15.800
 Eden

00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:16.700
 and working

00:46:16.700 --> 00:46:17.240
 with creation

00:46:17.240 --> 00:46:17.599
 in its

00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:18.300
 most

00:46:18.300 --> 00:46:18.700
 difficult

00:46:18.699 --> 00:46:19.000
 harsh

00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:19.299
 form

00:46:19.299 --> 00:46:19.919
 so that's

00:46:19.919 --> 00:46:20.779
 actually a

00:46:20.779 --> 00:46:21.319
 pretty common

00:46:21.319 --> 00:46:21.599
 view

00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:22.619
 among the

00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:22.879
 second

00:46:22.879 --> 00:46:23.859
 people

00:46:23.859 --> 00:46:24.799
 the first

00:46:24.799 --> 00:46:25.339
 people of the

00:46:25.339 --> 00:46:25.659
 first view

00:46:25.659 --> 00:46:25.980
 would say

00:46:25.980 --> 00:46:26.439
 that Eden

00:46:26.439 --> 00:46:26.859
 was the

00:46:26.859 --> 00:46:27.179
 entire

00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:27.599
 world

00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:28.919
 the entire

00:46:28.919 --> 00:46:29.219
 world

00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:29.500
 was a

00:46:29.500 --> 00:46:29.679
 garden

00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:30.000
 of Eden

00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:30.899
 usually

00:46:30.899 --> 00:46:34.119
 so how

00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:34.299
 do we

00:46:34.299 --> 00:46:34.579
 finish

00:46:34.579 --> 00:46:35.480
 how do we

00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:35.919
 conclude

00:46:35.919 --> 00:46:36.239
 well

00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:37.599
 as usual

00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:38.279
 for this

00:46:38.279 --> 00:46:38.819
 class

00:46:38.819 --> 00:46:39.579
 what's the

00:46:39.579 --> 00:46:39.879
 point of

00:46:39.879 --> 00:46:40.039
 this

00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:40.480
 class

00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:41.779
 the point

00:46:41.779 --> 00:46:42.019
 of this

00:46:42.019 --> 00:46:42.439
 class

00:46:42.439 --> 00:46:43.579
 is

00:46:43.579 --> 00:46:44.759
 to receive

00:46:44.759 --> 00:46:45.619
 creation

00:46:45.619 --> 00:46:46.239
 as a gift

00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:46.939
 from God

00:46:46.939 --> 00:46:47.759
 and to

00:46:47.759 --> 00:46:48.519
 glorify him

00:46:48.519 --> 00:46:49.159
 for it

00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:49.820
 okay

00:46:49.820 --> 00:46:51.099
 and so

00:46:51.099 --> 00:46:51.500
 no matter

00:46:51.500 --> 00:46:51.840
 which of

00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:52.219
 the views

00:46:52.219 --> 00:46:52.639
 you find

00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:53.099
 compelling

00:46:53.099 --> 00:46:54.420
 in light

00:46:54.420 --> 00:46:54.639
 of the

00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:54.980
 fact

00:46:54.980 --> 00:46:55.659
 that

00:46:55.659 --> 00:46:56.059
 creation

00:46:56.059 --> 00:46:56.759
 is God's

00:46:56.759 --> 00:46:57.559
 self-revelation

00:46:57.559 --> 00:46:57.880
 of his

00:46:57.880 --> 00:46:58.320
 being

00:46:58.320 --> 00:46:59.179
 from his

00:46:59.179 --> 00:46:59.519
 divine

00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:00.019
 ideas

00:47:00.019 --> 00:47:01.360
 we are

00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:01.619
 given

00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:02.400
 no warrant

00:47:02.400 --> 00:47:02.420
!

00:47:02.420 --> 00:47:03.759
 to dismiss

00:47:03.759 --> 00:47:04.239
 the created

00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:04.639
 world

00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:05.739
 and scripture

00:47:05.739 --> 00:47:06.199
 gives us

00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:07.360
 a universal

00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:08.079
 example

00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:09.719
 of undiluted

00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:10.639
 praise to God

00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:11.219
 as creator

00:47:11.219 --> 00:47:13.400
 to that end

00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:14.320
 I will finish

00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:15.380
 our talk

00:47:15.380 --> 00:47:15.699
 today

00:47:15.699 --> 00:47:16.980
 with quotes

00:47:16.980 --> 00:47:18.099
 from proponents

00:47:18.099 --> 00:47:18.480
 of each

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:18.719
 of the

00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:19.019
 different

00:47:19.019 --> 00:47:19.339
 views

00:47:19.339 --> 00:47:19.719
 addressed

00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:20.019
 above

00:47:20.019 --> 00:47:20.299
 on the

00:47:20.299 --> 00:47:20.759
 existing

00:47:20.759 --> 00:47:21.419
 majesty

00:47:21.419 --> 00:47:22.099
 of God's

00:47:22.099 --> 00:47:22.539
 handiwork

00:47:22.539 --> 00:47:24.879
 I actually

00:47:24.879 --> 00:47:25.379
 chose

00:47:25.379 --> 00:47:26.119
 Dr.

00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:26.460
 Wilson

00:47:26.460 --> 00:47:27.000
 as a

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:27.179
 proponent

00:47:27.179 --> 00:47:27.379
 of the

00:47:27.379 --> 00:47:27.759
 first view

00:47:27.759 --> 00:47:28.179
 because

00:47:28.179 --> 00:47:29.579
 I just

00:47:29.579 --> 00:47:30.639
 love

00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:31.439
 his obvious

00:47:31.439 --> 00:47:32.039
 love

00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:32.399
 of the

00:47:32.399 --> 00:47:32.619
 created

00:47:32.619 --> 00:47:32.859
 world

00:47:32.859 --> 00:47:33.139
 as we

00:47:33.139 --> 00:47:33.379
 have it

00:47:33.379 --> 00:47:33.659
 now

00:47:33.659 --> 00:47:35.059
 he says

00:47:35.059 --> 00:47:35.799
 though

00:47:35.799 --> 00:47:36.239
 other

00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:36.599
 animals

00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:36.879
 too

00:47:36.879 --> 00:47:37.199
 have been

00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:37.480
 affected

00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:37.819
 by the

00:47:37.819 --> 00:47:38.079
 curse

00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:38.539
 in various

00:47:38.539 --> 00:47:39.000
 ways

00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:39.699
 their

00:47:39.699 --> 00:47:40.199
 evident

00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:40.699
 beauty

00:47:40.699 --> 00:47:41.599
 grace

00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:42.480
 symmetry

00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:43.339
 coordination

00:47:43.339 --> 00:47:44.199
 and complexity

00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.559
 are reminders

00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:45.980
 of a

00:47:45.980 --> 00:47:46.420
 glorious

00:47:46.420 --> 00:47:46.980
 creation

00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:47.359
 once

00:47:47.359 --> 00:47:47.839
 untainted

00:47:47.839 --> 00:47:48.179
 by the

00:47:48.179 --> 00:47:48.420
 curse

00:47:48.420 --> 00:47:49.659
 they

00:47:49.659 --> 00:47:50.219
 and even

00:47:50.219 --> 00:47:50.440
 the

00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:50.819
 gnarliest

00:47:50.819 --> 00:47:51.319
 creatures

00:47:51.319 --> 00:47:51.779
 reveal

00:47:51.779 --> 00:47:52.599
 the ingenious

00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:53.239
 artistry

00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:53.899
 and engineering

00:47:53.899 --> 00:47:54.279
 of our

00:47:54.279 --> 00:47:54.659
 creator

00:47:54.659 --> 00:47:55.539
 so that

00:47:55.539 --> 00:47:56.019
 everyone

00:47:56.019 --> 00:47:56.579
 is without

00:47:56.579 --> 00:47:57.139
 excuse

00:47:57.139 --> 00:47:58.940
 and

00:47:58.940 --> 00:47:59.379
 Basil of

00:47:59.379 --> 00:47:59.699
 Caesarea

00:47:59.699 --> 00:48:00.059
 for the

00:48:00.059 --> 00:48:00.460
 second view

00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:00.879
 can double

00:48:00.879 --> 00:48:01.399
 down on that

00:48:01.399 --> 00:48:01.679
 sentiment

00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:02.859
 he says

00:48:02.860 --> 00:48:03.800
 I want

00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:04.300
 creation

00:48:04.300 --> 00:48:05.500
 to penetrate

00:48:05.500 --> 00:48:06.039
 you

00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:07.059
 with so

00:48:07.059 --> 00:48:07.400
 much

00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:08.039
 admiration

00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:08.360
 that

00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:09.039
 everywhere

00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:09.579
 wherever

00:48:09.579 --> 00:48:10.160
 you may

00:48:10.160 --> 00:48:10.460
 be

00:48:10.460 --> 00:48:10.800
 the

00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:11.240
 least

00:48:11.240 --> 00:48:11.780
 plant

00:48:11.780 --> 00:48:12.280
 may

00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:12.620
 bring

00:48:12.620 --> 00:48:13.140
 to you

00:48:13.140 --> 00:48:13.400
 the

00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:13.720
 clear

00:48:13.720 --> 00:48:14.220
 remembrance

00:48:14.220 --> 00:48:14.860
 of the

00:48:14.860 --> 00:48:15.240
 creator

00:48:15.240 --> 00:48:17.200
 and

00:48:17.200 --> 00:48:17.559
 finally

00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:17.980
 John of

00:48:17.980 --> 00:48:18.460
 Damascus

00:48:18.460 --> 00:48:19.039
 explains

00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:19.400
 how

00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:19.940
 creation

00:48:19.940 --> 00:48:20.539
 points us

00:48:20.539 --> 00:48:20.980
 to God

00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:21.920
 he says

00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:22.400
 the whole

00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:22.820
 earth

00:48:22.820 --> 00:48:23.599
 is a

00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:23.860
 living

00:48:23.860 --> 00:48:24.440
 icon

00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:24.860
 of the

00:48:24.860 --> 00:48:25.099
 face

00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:25.240
 of

00:48:25.240 --> 00:48:25.500
 God

00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:26.780
 I

00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:26.920
 do

00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:27.099
 not

00:48:27.099 --> 00:48:27.380
 worship

00:48:27.380 --> 00:48:27.720
 matter

00:48:27.720 --> 00:48:28.820
 I

00:48:28.820 --> 00:48:29.079
 worship

00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:29.280
 the

00:48:29.280 --> 00:48:29.700
 creator

00:48:29.700 --> 00:48:29.920
 of

00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:30.220
 matter

00:48:30.220 --> 00:48:31.000
 who

00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:31.480
 became

00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:31.840
 matter

00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:32.039
 for

00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:32.280
 my

00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:32.640
 sake

00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:33.559
 who

00:48:33.559 --> 00:48:34.059
 willed

00:48:34.059 --> 00:48:34.139
 to

00:48:34.139 --> 00:48:34.339
 take

00:48:34.339 --> 00:48:34.539
 his

00:48:34.539 --> 00:48:34.839
 abode

00:48:34.839 --> 00:48:35.139
 in

00:48:35.139 --> 00:48:35.440
 matter

00:48:35.440 --> 00:48:36.299
 who

00:48:36.299 --> 00:48:36.599
 worked

00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:36.739
 out

00:48:36.739 --> 00:48:36.940
 my

00:48:36.940 --> 00:48:37.339
 salvation

00:48:37.339 --> 00:48:37.799
 through

00:48:37.799 --> 00:48:38.179
 matter

00:48:38.179 --> 00:48:39.819
 never

00:48:39.819 --> 00:48:40.079
 will

00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:40.259
 I

00:48:40.259 --> 00:48:40.500
 cease

00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:40.900
 honoring

00:48:40.900 --> 00:48:41.119
 the

00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:41.339
 matter

00:48:41.339 --> 00:48:41.559
 which

00:48:41.559 --> 00:48:41.859
 wrought

00:48:41.859 --> 00:48:42.079
 my

00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:42.559
 salvation

00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:43.299
 I

00:48:43.299 --> 00:48:43.779
 honor

00:48:43.779 --> 00:48:44.019
 it

00:48:44.019 --> 00:48:44.519
 but not

00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:44.679
 as

00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:45.000
 God

00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:46.099
 because

00:48:46.099 --> 00:48:46.279
 of

00:48:46.279 --> 00:48:46.460
 this

00:48:46.460 --> 00:48:46.619
 I

00:48:46.619 --> 00:48:46.960
 salute

00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:47.259
 all

00:48:47.259 --> 00:48:47.659
 remaining

00:48:47.659 --> 00:48:47.980
 matter

00:48:47.980 --> 00:48:48.179
 with

00:48:48.179 --> 00:48:48.659
 reverence

00:48:48.659 --> 00:48:48.980
 because

00:48:48.980 --> 00:48:49.400
 God

00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:49.639
 has

00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:50.019
 filled

00:48:50.019 --> 00:48:50.199
 it

00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:50.440
 with

00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:50.659
 his

00:48:50.659 --> 00:48:51.019
 grace

00:48:51.019 --> 00:48:51.259
 and

00:48:51.259 --> 00:48:51.639
 power

00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:52.500
 and

00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:52.839
 through

00:48:52.839 --> 00:48:53.019
 it

00:48:53.019 --> 00:48:53.239
 my

00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:53.679
 salvation

00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:53.920
 has

00:48:53.920 --> 00:48:54.119
 come

00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:54.259
 to

00:48:54.259 --> 00:48:54.500
 me

00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:56.440
 so

00:48:56.440 --> 00:48:56.599
 let me

00:48:56.599 --> 00:48:56.879
 finish

00:48:56.879 --> 00:48:57.480
 by reading

00:48:57.480 --> 00:48:57.980
 Psalm

00:48:57.980 --> 00:48:57.980


00:48:57.980 --> 00:48:58.819
 148

00:48:58.820 --> 00:49:00.600
 which I

00:49:00.600 --> 00:49:01.059
 think is

00:49:01.059 --> 00:49:01.340
 just

00:49:01.340 --> 00:49:03.539
 this is

00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:05.240
 giving us

00:49:05.240 --> 00:49:05.740
 an example

00:49:05.740 --> 00:49:06.300
 of how

00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:06.780
 we should

00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:07.780
 respond

00:49:07.780 --> 00:49:08.420
 to the

00:49:08.420 --> 00:49:08.680
 natural

00:49:08.680 --> 00:49:09.019
 world

00:49:09.019 --> 00:49:10.740
 praise

00:49:10.740 --> 00:49:11.240
 the Lord

00:49:11.240 --> 00:49:12.980
 praise the

00:49:12.980 --> 00:49:13.360
 Lord from

00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:13.840
 the heavens

00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:14.640
 praise him

00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:14.840
 in the

00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:15.240
 heights

00:49:15.240 --> 00:49:16.720
 praise him

00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:17.380
 all angels

00:49:17.380 --> 00:49:18.000
 praise him

00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:18.340
 all his

00:49:18.340 --> 00:49:18.860
 hosts

00:49:18.860 --> 00:49:20.340
 praise him

00:49:20.340 --> 00:49:21.000
 sun and

00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:21.420
 moon

00:49:21.420 --> 00:49:22.240
 praise him

00:49:22.240 --> 00:49:22.580
 all you

00:49:22.580 --> 00:49:22.920
 shining

00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:23.539
 stars

00:49:23.539 --> 00:49:24.780
 praise him

00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:25.320
 you highest

00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:25.940
 heavens and

00:49:25.940 --> 00:49:26.460
 you waters

00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:26.920
 above the

00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:27.280
 heavens

00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:28.540
 let them

00:49:28.540 --> 00:49:29.060
 praise the

00:49:29.060 --> 00:49:29.320
 name of

00:49:29.320 --> 00:49:29.460
 the

00:49:29.460 --> 00:49:29.740
 Lord

00:49:29.740 --> 00:49:30.620
 for he

00:49:30.620 --> 00:49:31.080
 commanded

00:49:31.080 --> 00:49:31.400
 and they

00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:31.560
 were

00:49:31.560 --> 00:49:32.040
 created

00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:32.680
 and he

00:49:32.680 --> 00:49:33.200
 established

00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:33.480
 them

00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:33.880
 forever

00:49:33.880 --> 00:49:34.300
 and ever

00:49:34.300 --> 00:49:35.620
 he gave

00:49:35.620 --> 00:49:36.080
 a decree

00:49:36.080 --> 00:49:36.400
 and it

00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:36.720
 shall not

00:49:36.720 --> 00:49:37.380
 pass away

00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:38.940
 praise the

00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:39.340
 Lord from

00:49:39.340 --> 00:49:39.820
 the earth

00:49:39.820 --> 00:49:40.500
 you great

00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:41.160
 sea creatures

00:49:41.160 --> 00:49:41.500
 and all

00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:42.220
 deeps

00:49:42.220 --> 00:49:43.340
 fire and

00:49:43.340 --> 00:49:43.620
 hail

00:49:43.620 --> 00:49:44.360
 snow and

00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:44.700
 mist

00:49:44.700 --> 00:49:45.340
 stormy

00:49:45.340 --> 00:49:45.640
 wind

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 fulfilling

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 his

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 word

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 mountains

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 and all

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 hills

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 fruit trees

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 and all

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 cedars

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 beasts

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 and all

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 livestock

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 creeping

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 things

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 and flying

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 birds

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 kings

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 of the

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 earth

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 and all

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 peoples

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 princes

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 and all

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 rulers

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 of the

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 earth

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 young

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 men

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 and maidens

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 together

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 old

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 men

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 and

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 children

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 let them

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 praise the

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 name of

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 the Lord

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 for his

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 name alone

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 is exalted

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 his majesty

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 is above

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 earth and

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 heaven

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 he has

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 raised up

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 a horn

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 for his

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 people

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 praise for

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 all his

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 saints

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 for the

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 people of

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 Israel

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 who are

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 near to

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 him

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 praise the

00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:18.099
 Lord

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 amen

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 all right

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 guys

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 that's it

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 that's all

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 I have

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 any

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 questions

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 we have

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 five minutes

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 for questions

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 if not

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 we have

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 five minutes

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 extra to go

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 downstairs and

00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:31.039
 get ready for

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 worship

00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:43.940
 thanks Ed

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 I can't

00:50:45.619 --> 00:50:46.039
 believe our

00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:47.200
 conversation

00:50:47.200 --> 00:50:47.720
 yesterday

00:50:47.720 --> 00:50:48.400
 I know

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 isn't that

00:50:50.579 --> 00:50:50.940
 crazy

00:50:50.940 --> 00:50:51.400
 yeah

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 it's just

00:50:52.200 --> 00:50:52.519
 on my

00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:52.820
 mind

00:50:52.820 --> 00:50:53.420
 yeah

00:50:53.420 --> 00:50:56.079
 and I

00:50:56.079 --> 00:50:56.380
 loved it

00:50:56.380 --> 00:50:56.659
 I think

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 I told

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 you hit

00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:00.159
 100%

00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:00.500
 yeah

00:51:00.500 --> 00:51:02.619
 right

00:51:02.619 --> 00:51:03.900
 thanks

00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:04.179
 dad

00:51:04.179 --> 00:51:12.399
 yeah

00:51:12.399 --> 00:51:17.039
 right

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 right

00:51:21.940 --> 00:51:24.699
 right

00:51:24.699 --> 00:51:25.440
 yeah

00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:25.940
 exactly

00:51:25.940 --> 00:51:27.139
 yeah

00:51:27.139 --> 00:51:29.379
 good to

00:51:29.379 --> 00:51:29.699
 see you

00:51:29.699 --> 00:51:30.440
 sorry

00:51:30.440 --> 00:51:30.699
 neighbor

00:51:30.699 --> 00:51:31.139
 Tyler

00:51:31.139 --> 00:51:32.440
 yeah

00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.780
 exactly

00:51:36.780 --> 00:51:37.200
 yeah

00:51:37.200 --> 00:51:39.840
 very often

00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:40.039
 yeah

00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:40.340
 those are

00:51:40.340 --> 00:51:41.260
 the images

00:51:41.260 --> 00:51:41.900
 used to

00:51:41.900 --> 00:51:42.280
 describe

00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:43.159
 those nations

00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:43.500
 right

00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:44.840
 right

00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:49.500
 exactly

00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:49.900
 yeah

00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:51.619
 and the

00:51:51.619 --> 00:51:52.139
 snake

00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:52.780
 you know

00:51:52.780 --> 00:51:53.240
 the snake

00:51:53.240 --> 00:51:53.900
 of the west

00:51:53.900 --> 00:51:56.019
 right

00:51:56.019 --> 00:51:56.500
 exactly

00:51:56.500 --> 00:51:56.780
 yeah

00:51:56.780 --> 00:51:57.539
 exactly

00:51:57.539 --> 00:51:57.940
 yeah

00:51:57.940 --> 00:51:59.980
 so I'm

00:51:59.980 --> 00:52:00.200
 good

00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:01.980
 coming

00:52:01.980 --> 00:52:02.239
 out

00:52:02.239 --> 00:52:02.379
 of

00:52:02.379 --> 00:52:03.199
 fruition

00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:03.539
 I

00:52:03.539 --> 00:52:03.599
 really

00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:04.099
 like

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 like

00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:05.099
 you

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 like

00:52:05.599 --> 00:52:06.099
 you

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 you

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