WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:01.060 We're going to keep going. 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:05.419 We're right on schedule, which is amazing. 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:09.599 And then we're going to have a good, healthy lunch break 00:00:09.599 --> 00:00:10.519 of about an hour and 15. 00:00:10.980 --> 00:00:13.880 There's a stack of stuff over there to eat. 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:15.660 And then we're going to come back, 00:00:16.219 --> 00:00:17.699 talk a little bit more about theory, 00:00:17.760 --> 00:00:18.480 and then go to practice. 00:00:19.580 --> 00:00:21.359 So, you know, quick review. 00:00:22.580 --> 00:00:24.740 The youth ministry world is changing. 00:00:25.500 --> 00:00:28.320 The people who've pushed a model 00:00:28.320 --> 00:00:30.560 that's called the attractional model, 00:00:31.019 --> 00:00:32.600 do things to attract kids 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:34.119 and then move them into the faith, 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:37.659 they're now rethinking it big time 00:00:37.659 --> 00:00:39.600 because of the dreaded pyramid. 00:00:39.939 --> 00:00:41.380 We're losing most of our kids. 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:45.260 And I'm arguing that they're thinking pragmatically. 00:00:45.980 --> 00:00:47.280 What will attract kids? 00:00:47.760 --> 00:00:48.920 We need to think theologically. 00:00:49.460 --> 00:00:51.960 What does God want us to do to attract kids? 00:00:52.480 --> 00:00:54.060 And so I want to argue the three pillars. 00:00:54.439 --> 00:00:55.740 We be a Christian youth group. 00:00:55.740 --> 00:00:58.679 That will mean that maybe some of our non-Christians 00:00:58.679 --> 00:00:59.160 will leave. 00:01:00.480 --> 00:01:01.800 And I don't like that. 00:01:02.140 --> 00:01:03.260 But that's sometimes the way it happens. 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:04.799 Let's be a Christian youth group 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:05.579 that does Christian things 00:01:05.579 --> 00:01:06.359 and let's do them in a way 00:01:06.359 --> 00:01:08.200 that attracts young people. 00:01:09.180 --> 00:01:11.180 Now, I want to take a sideways step 00:01:11.180 --> 00:01:14.299 and talk about discipleship and relationships. 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.260 Because, again, I think in Sydney 00:01:17.260 --> 00:01:20.320 we lose some of the relational thinking. 00:01:20.859 --> 00:01:22.200 And if I can be brutally honest, 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.340 I think our thinking goes like this. 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:28.400 All we have to do is teach the Bible 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:30.719 and everything else falls into place. 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:33.719 That's a really crazy thought. 00:01:34.219 --> 00:01:36.579 Like, it makes no sense at all. 00:01:37.260 --> 00:01:39.280 And I've heard a number of ministers say that. 00:01:39.420 --> 00:01:40.900 I've heard ministers have said to me, 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:44.379 my job is to preach and to pray. 00:01:44.379 --> 00:01:46.219 And my response is, 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:47.339 well, you're a lazy guy 00:01:47.339 --> 00:01:48.399 who doesn't read his Bible. 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:51.199 Because the Bible never says that. 00:01:52.019 --> 00:01:54.399 Paul was the most relational of guys. 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:56.299 He's hanging out with Timothy. 00:01:56.579 --> 00:01:58.039 He's hanging out with Titus. 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:00.019 He says, we loved you so much. 00:02:00.039 --> 00:02:00.659 We're going to look at this in a minute. 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:02.280 We loved you so much 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:03.939 that we spent our lives with you. 00:02:04.399 --> 00:02:05.719 I said lives like a mad scientist. 00:02:05.859 --> 00:02:07.519 Our lives with you. 00:02:10.000 --> 00:02:11.740 It's all about relationship. 00:02:12.639 --> 00:02:13.979 Relationship is key to everything. 00:02:14.659 --> 00:02:15.979 God is relationship. 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:18.119 He is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.000 He has existed forever 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:22.899 in perfect relationship. 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:24.899 He sends his Son to die on the cross for us 00:02:24.899 --> 00:02:27.099 so that we can have perfect relationship. 00:02:27.419 --> 00:02:28.780 Heaven is perfect relationship. 00:02:29.099 --> 00:02:29.919 The kingdom of God 00:02:29.919 --> 00:02:31.139 is about perfect relationship. 00:02:31.539 --> 00:02:33.739 We are to be filled with love, joy, peace, 00:02:33.780 --> 00:02:34.539 and the Holy Spirit. 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.039 It's all about relationship. 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.359 So if you want to see things happen, 00:02:39.679 --> 00:02:42.199 you have to build in a relational structure. 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.919 And by the way, 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.019 the old style of youth ministry 00:02:47.019 --> 00:02:48.019 that many of us grew up in 00:02:48.019 --> 00:02:49.579 is actually not very good at relating 00:02:49.579 --> 00:02:51.959 because we run a mixer. 00:02:52.500 --> 00:02:53.299 Here's your homework. 00:02:54.119 --> 00:02:55.079 Go on a website 00:02:55.079 --> 00:02:56.979 and Google mixer. 00:02:57.939 --> 00:03:00.579 Google Christian youth mixer. 00:03:02.060 --> 00:03:03.359 You'll find a whole bunch of them. 00:03:04.179 --> 00:03:06.120 Look at them and ask the question, 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:09.920 does this mixer mix? 00:03:11.500 --> 00:03:12.360 And quite often, 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:14.960 you don't even communicate with the person. 00:03:15.500 --> 00:03:17.319 You get something from them 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:19.259 or you, do you have red hair? 00:03:19.460 --> 00:03:21.420 And you do something else. 00:03:22.140 --> 00:03:26.540 We've really programmed out relationships. 00:03:27.180 --> 00:03:28.520 And when you read Scripture, 00:03:28.659 --> 00:03:30.580 now here's a long Bible passage. 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.240 There's so much good stuff in this Bible passage. 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:34.080 It's just, 00:03:34.420 --> 00:03:36.000 1 Thessalonians is like my favorite book. 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:37.200 I love 1 Thessalonians. 00:03:38.379 --> 00:03:39.700 And especially chapter 2. 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:42.600 Paul says in verse 6, 00:03:42.700 --> 00:03:43.760 as apostles of Christ, 00:03:43.820 --> 00:03:44.980 we could have been a burden to you. 00:03:45.240 --> 00:03:46.560 They could have thrown their weight around. 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:47.520 They could have said, 00:03:47.580 --> 00:03:47.879 hey guys, 00:03:47.939 --> 00:03:49.740 can you support us financially? 00:03:50.160 --> 00:03:51.020 We're important. 00:03:52.219 --> 00:03:54.060 But we were gentle among you. 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:55.400 What were we like? 00:03:55.600 --> 00:03:58.740 We were like the number one relational structure 00:03:58.740 --> 00:04:00.460 in a person's life. 00:04:00.460 --> 00:04:03.780 We were like a mother caring for her little children. 00:04:04.480 --> 00:04:05.460 Heavy relational term. 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:07.340 We loved you so much 00:04:07.340 --> 00:04:08.900 that we were delighted to share with you 00:04:08.900 --> 00:04:10.140 not only the gospel, 00:04:10.420 --> 00:04:11.960 but our lives as well 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.400 because you've become so dear to us. 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:14.219 Now by the way, 00:04:14.260 --> 00:04:16.000 that verse is always misinterpreted 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.600 because if you read youth ministry books, 00:04:18.699 --> 00:04:19.300 they will say, 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:21.079 get to know kids, 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:23.579 earn the right to be heard, 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:25.060 and then tell them the gospel. 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:27.379 And they'll go to this verse. 00:04:27.379 --> 00:04:29.899 So I met with one of the heaviest 00:04:29.899 --> 00:04:32.420 of youth ministry educators in the world, 00:04:32.540 --> 00:04:33.459 a great guy, 00:04:33.579 --> 00:04:34.339 a terrific guy. 00:04:34.800 --> 00:04:35.920 But he quoted that, 00:04:36.019 --> 00:04:36.360 and I said, 00:04:36.459 --> 00:04:36.620 dude, 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:37.519 I said, 00:04:37.719 --> 00:04:38.159 golly, 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.300 have you read 1 Thessalonians 2.8? 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.279 Paul goes to Thessalonica in Acts 17, 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:46.060 and he preaches the gospel 00:04:46.060 --> 00:04:48.259 for three Sabbaths, 00:04:48.259 --> 00:04:51.199 and then a relationship forms, 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:52.279 and we're looking at it together, 00:04:52.339 --> 00:04:52.560 and he goes, 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:53.240 oh gosh, 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:54.620 I never saw that. 00:04:54.620 --> 00:04:57.040 What this verse is, 00:04:57.180 --> 00:04:58.459 Paul shares the gospel, 00:04:58.819 --> 00:04:59.800 and then becomes friends. 00:04:59.899 --> 00:05:00.100 No, 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:01.399 I think you can become friends first, 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:02.459 and then share the gospel. 00:05:02.699 --> 00:05:03.300 I'm just saying, 00:05:03.420 --> 00:05:04.620 that's not what this verse says. 00:05:05.720 --> 00:05:07.300 Notice what this verse does say. 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:10.019 It's not just about preaching the gospel. 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:12.180 Ciara comes to youth group, 00:05:12.259 --> 00:05:12.899 she's 11. 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:13.560 Hello, 00:05:13.720 --> 00:05:14.300 young Ciara, 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:15.100 sit down, 00:05:15.139 --> 00:05:15.840 because I'm preaching, 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:16.240 baby. 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:16.800 Ah, 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:20.199 see you later. 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:21.220 I've got to go pray. 00:05:24.620 --> 00:05:25.980 She'd be like, 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:26.660 what are you doing, 00:05:26.840 --> 00:05:27.079 man? 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:28.300 Let's go hang out. 00:05:28.780 --> 00:05:29.340 Let's go, 00:05:29.379 --> 00:05:31.240 let's go eat at the McDonald's, 00:05:31.300 --> 00:05:31.959 but that was kind of like, 00:05:32.100 --> 00:05:33.480 you didn't go to that McDonald's. 00:05:33.579 --> 00:05:34.579 That was kind of, 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:35.319 you. 00:05:35.899 --> 00:05:37.199 Ask us later about the McDonald's, 00:05:37.319 --> 00:05:38.420 right across the street from our church. 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:40.079 Don't buy a milkshake. 00:05:40.420 --> 00:05:40.600 Anyway, 00:05:40.600 --> 00:05:47.220 so you've got to build in life, 00:05:47.740 --> 00:05:48.920 and relationship, 00:05:49.840 --> 00:05:51.900 and getting to know each other, 00:05:52.220 --> 00:05:52.660 all that kind of thing. 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:53.520 We're going to talk about that in just a second. 00:05:55.340 --> 00:05:56.140 Surely you remember, 00:05:56.260 --> 00:05:56.620 brothers, 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:57.680 our toils and hardship. 00:05:58.060 --> 00:05:58.720 We work not, 00:05:58.780 --> 00:05:59.640 may not be burned to you. 00:05:59.960 --> 00:06:00.320 Verse 10, 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:01.379 you are witnesses, 00:06:01.379 --> 00:06:02.140 and so is God, 00:06:02.420 --> 00:06:03.160 of how holy, 00:06:03.260 --> 00:06:03.480 righteous, 00:06:03.580 --> 00:06:04.680 and blameless we were among you, 00:06:04.740 --> 00:06:05.000 believe. 00:06:05.400 --> 00:06:07.020 You know that we dealt each with you. 00:06:07.180 --> 00:06:07.700 Here we go. 00:06:08.140 --> 00:06:09.360 Heavy relational term. 00:06:09.840 --> 00:06:11.980 Either the primary or secondary relationship 00:06:11.980 --> 00:06:12.980 in a kid's life. 00:06:13.180 --> 00:06:13.580 Who knows? 00:06:13.620 --> 00:06:14.160 Who's more important, 00:06:14.220 --> 00:06:14.740 father or mother? 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:15.120 Who knows? 00:06:15.520 --> 00:06:17.100 But we were like a father. 00:06:19.060 --> 00:06:22.020 That's how intimate of a relationship we had with you. 00:06:22.439 --> 00:06:23.439 And what did we do? 00:06:23.660 --> 00:06:25.300 We did what a good dad does. 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:26.800 We encouraged you. 00:06:27.280 --> 00:06:27.639 We said, 00:06:27.699 --> 00:06:28.400 you're doing well. 00:06:28.900 --> 00:06:29.639 You're doing great. 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:30.920 It's excellent that you're praying. 00:06:31.300 --> 00:06:32.680 It's excellent that you're growing in the faith. 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:33.480 This is fantastic. 00:06:33.980 --> 00:06:34.759 Stay with it. 00:06:35.259 --> 00:06:36.340 We comforted you. 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:37.580 I know it's hard. 00:06:37.579 --> 00:06:39.859 I know people give you a hard time for being a Christian. 00:06:40.379 --> 00:06:41.859 I know God seems mysterious. 00:06:42.539 --> 00:06:44.560 I know his sovereignty is hard to understand. 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:45.639 I know all that. 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:47.240 Talk with me about it. 00:06:47.899 --> 00:06:49.300 And we urged you, 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:50.199 keep going. 00:06:50.779 --> 00:06:51.759 Come to youth group. 00:06:52.139 --> 00:06:53.219 Keep reading your Bible 00:06:53.219 --> 00:06:55.240 to live lives worthy of God 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:56.279 who calls you to this kingdom. 00:06:56.899 --> 00:06:57.919 And we also thank God 00:06:57.919 --> 00:06:59.219 because when you receive the word, 00:06:59.639 --> 00:07:01.799 you accept it as it actually is the word of God. 00:07:02.060 --> 00:07:06.259 There's just so much relational good stuff right there. 00:07:06.259 --> 00:07:08.939 2 Timothy 3. 00:07:09.620 --> 00:07:10.920 Really famous passage. 00:07:11.420 --> 00:07:14.060 We concentrate on verse 16. 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:15.680 Rightly so. 00:07:15.819 --> 00:07:17.099 It's just tremendous. 00:07:18.180 --> 00:07:19.680 Doctrinally super important. 00:07:20.219 --> 00:07:21.259 But notice the first bit. 00:07:21.719 --> 00:07:22.519 Paul's writing to Timothy. 00:07:22.980 --> 00:07:23.319 He says, 00:07:23.379 --> 00:07:23.579 Timothy, 00:07:23.699 --> 00:07:24.659 you're going through a hard time. 00:07:24.779 --> 00:07:26.379 Everybody who wants to live a God and life 00:07:26.379 --> 00:07:27.379 in Christ Jesus 00:07:27.379 --> 00:07:28.560 will be persecuted. 00:07:29.039 --> 00:07:30.480 The world doesn't like Jesus. 00:07:30.899 --> 00:07:32.139 The world doesn't like you. 00:07:32.139 --> 00:07:35.060 Evil men and imposters 00:07:35.060 --> 00:07:36.399 will go from bad to worse. 00:07:36.740 --> 00:07:37.800 Deceiving and deceiving. 00:07:38.120 --> 00:07:38.899 But as for you, 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:40.459 don't be like those evil men. 00:07:40.779 --> 00:07:41.459 You see them. 00:07:41.579 --> 00:07:42.339 They're succeeding. 00:07:42.740 --> 00:07:43.599 They're popular. 00:07:44.019 --> 00:07:44.899 People love them. 00:07:45.259 --> 00:07:46.500 They're splitting churches. 00:07:46.620 --> 00:07:47.819 Kind of in the context of the passage. 00:07:48.159 --> 00:07:49.279 They're splitting churches. 00:07:49.599 --> 00:07:51.219 They're getting into house churches. 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:53.500 And they're dividing it and everything. 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:55.079 Don't be like them. 00:07:55.699 --> 00:07:56.680 As for you, 00:07:57.399 --> 00:07:59.259 continue in what you've learned 00:07:59.259 --> 00:08:01.560 and become convinced of. 00:08:02.159 --> 00:08:04.000 Paul doesn't say because it's true, 00:08:04.599 --> 00:08:05.719 even though it is true. 00:08:06.939 --> 00:08:08.500 Continue what you've learned 00:08:08.500 --> 00:08:10.439 because you know those 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:11.300 from whom you've learned it. 00:08:12.339 --> 00:08:14.719 You had a relationship with these people 00:08:14.719 --> 00:08:16.699 and you could just see the way 00:08:16.699 --> 00:08:19.219 Scripture had transformed their life. 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:21.039 And as you got to know them, 00:08:21.399 --> 00:08:21.959 you just thought, 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:23.120 this is so trustworthy 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:24.560 because the people who taught it to me 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:25.659 are so trustworthy. 00:08:26.259 --> 00:08:28.060 Probably Timothy's grandmother 00:08:28.060 --> 00:08:29.360 and mother Lois and Eunice 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:30.620 and Paul as well. 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:33.980 And it just really changed you. 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:35.399 And from infancy, 00:08:35.580 --> 00:08:36.419 you were taught the Scriptures 00:08:36.419 --> 00:08:38.360 which make you wise 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:39.500 and God-breathed, 00:08:39.779 --> 00:08:40.659 et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. 00:08:41.240 --> 00:08:42.500 Just tremendous stuff. 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:44.340 Continue in what you've learned 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:46.179 because you know those 00:08:46.179 --> 00:08:47.899 from whom you've learned it. 00:08:48.779 --> 00:08:50.720 So that means Ciara was not, 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:51.139 sorry, Ciara, 00:08:51.139 --> 00:08:52.460 I hope you don't mind me using it so much. 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:54.840 Sorry, Ciara was not in my Bible study group. 00:08:54.899 --> 00:08:55.799 Was she in your Bible study group? 00:08:56.139 --> 00:08:56.279 Yeah. 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.299 But Ciara was in Julie's Bible study group, 00:08:58.399 --> 00:08:59.559 you know, more appropriate. 00:08:59.939 --> 00:09:00.720 Julie the ministry of Ciara. 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:03.579 And Julie and Ciara got to know each other 00:09:03.579 --> 00:09:05.679 as they learned the Scriptures. 00:09:06.339 --> 00:09:07.779 And outside of the Scriptures, 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:09.000 they'd have coffee together, 00:09:09.419 --> 00:09:10.220 meals together. 00:09:10.419 --> 00:09:12.199 We'd have Ciara over to our house. 00:09:12.740 --> 00:09:13.720 A whole bunch of stuff. 00:09:14.939 --> 00:09:16.279 Lonnie, I'll never forget the time 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:17.379 we went to the drive-in movie together. 00:09:17.799 --> 00:09:18.399 It was fantastic. 00:09:18.959 --> 00:09:19.839 Shanghai Nights. 00:09:21.199 --> 00:09:22.539 Two, six, eight. 00:09:22.620 --> 00:09:22.919 Which one? 00:09:22.959 --> 00:09:23.459 It was one of those. 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:24.819 I don't know what it was. 00:09:24.819 --> 00:09:25.019 Two. 00:09:25.019 --> 00:09:25.460 Yeah. 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:26.720 Sharing life together. 00:09:27.179 --> 00:09:30.179 Now, relationships are key to everything. 00:09:31.299 --> 00:09:32.860 So look at your youth group. 00:09:32.939 --> 00:09:34.759 Mark DeVries in Sustainable Youth Ministry 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:36.659 says you have to have balcony time. 00:09:37.179 --> 00:09:39.480 You need to spend an hour of your week 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:41.860 and look at the youth group from the balcony 00:09:41.860 --> 00:09:44.240 and just dissect it. 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:46.000 Look at it. 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:48.299 And so ask your youth group, 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:51.279 are we promoting good relationships? 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:53.240 Are people getting to know each other? 00:09:53.240 --> 00:09:55.539 Are youth leaders getting to know youth leaders? 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:58.279 Are youth leaders unified with each other? 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:01.200 Are youth leaders getting to know kids deeply? 00:10:01.519 --> 00:10:03.180 Are youth getting to know each other? 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:06.200 Are the youth getting to know the church together? 00:10:06.519 --> 00:10:08.240 What is our relational structure 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:09.519 and how is it working? 00:10:09.740 --> 00:10:10.639 Because it's key. 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.340 Godly relationships, committed relationships. 00:10:13.340 --> 00:10:18.280 Your youth group stands or falls on this issue. 00:10:20.060 --> 00:10:21.180 Now, one of the... 00:10:21.180 --> 00:10:22.600 I've got to be careful what I say, 00:10:22.660 --> 00:10:24.340 but one of the... 00:10:24.340 --> 00:10:35.180 We have sets of rules that are really helpful 00:10:35.180 --> 00:10:38.899 to make sure that our relationships aren't misconstrued 00:10:38.899 --> 00:10:41.000 or get out of line. 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.139 Those are really good things and they're necessary. 00:10:43.700 --> 00:10:47.460 But we must be careful that those rules don't say to us 00:10:47.460 --> 00:10:49.620 we actually can't have relationships. 00:10:49.620 --> 00:10:53.840 And some youth leaders have used some of the rules 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:55.879 put into place, which are really good rules, 00:10:56.100 --> 00:11:00.480 to say I can't have a milkshake at McDonald's 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:01.820 with a young person. 00:11:02.299 --> 00:11:03.919 And we've got to be careful of that 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:06.460 because that will rob a very important 00:11:06.460 --> 00:11:10.039 and needed aspect of youth ministry. 00:11:11.159 --> 00:11:13.720 So think through your structure. 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.019 And I want you to think about relationships in two ways. 00:11:17.019 --> 00:11:19.799 I want you to think about youth groups organizationally 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.659 and pastorally. 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:23.939 So this is a fairly simple diagram. 00:11:24.079 --> 00:11:26.519 Most of you are with me on this, 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.480 so we don't need to spend more than a minute on it. 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:30.699 But that's your youth group. 00:11:31.419 --> 00:11:33.299 And you need to break it up into small groups. 00:11:33.659 --> 00:11:34.399 Most of us do that. 00:11:38.259 --> 00:11:40.980 You probably shouldn't give a public talk with a Tic Tac 00:11:40.980 --> 00:11:42.960 because suddenly you had it 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:44.419 and then you don't have it anymore. 00:11:44.419 --> 00:11:47.079 So if any of you see it, just point it out later. 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.139 There's still some life in that Tic Tac. 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:49.899 Keep going. 00:11:50.139 --> 00:11:52.879 Now, that's my youth group. 00:11:54.479 --> 00:11:57.339 What's the first major division in your youth group? 00:11:58.839 --> 00:11:59.599 It's real obvious. 00:12:00.379 --> 00:12:01.199 Boys and girls. 00:12:01.539 --> 00:12:01.899 That's right. 00:12:02.199 --> 00:12:05.399 So you split your youth group into boys and girls. 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:06.919 And for obvious reasons, 00:12:06.979 --> 00:12:09.279 I don't even really need to say it, 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:11.079 but it's easier, better, more productive 00:12:11.079 --> 00:12:13.659 if males deal with males, girls deal with males 00:12:13.659 --> 00:12:16.539 in the small group relational setting like that. 00:12:16.860 --> 00:12:18.659 So split your youth group up 00:12:18.659 --> 00:12:24.240 into sexes and into grades or years. 00:12:24.980 --> 00:12:28.159 And what years and grades you split it up to, 00:12:28.220 --> 00:12:31.419 that's for you and your culture and your ministry. 00:12:31.419 --> 00:12:33.259 Especially if you've got a lot of leaders 00:12:33.259 --> 00:12:34.000 and a lot of kids, 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.019 year seven, year eight, year nine, year ten. 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:37.179 Most of us don't. 00:12:37.419 --> 00:12:39.339 So we have to break it up into maybe year seven and eight, 00:12:39.679 --> 00:12:40.399 year nine and ten. 00:12:41.500 --> 00:12:45.099 And so you then work it out into subgroups like that. 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:46.379 And whatever it is, 00:12:46.599 --> 00:12:47.799 each one of those leaders, 00:12:48.139 --> 00:12:49.839 each one of those groups has a leader. 00:12:50.659 --> 00:12:53.019 So Julie and I have worked in a youth group 00:12:53.019 --> 00:12:55.419 where we had two groups. 00:12:55.419 --> 00:12:59.779 I took the grade nine to 12 guys. 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:01.939 Julie took the grade nine to 12 girls. 00:13:02.500 --> 00:13:03.979 But we've worked in other churches 00:13:03.979 --> 00:13:07.539 where we've had two leaders for every grade. 00:13:07.659 --> 00:13:08.319 We had a lot of kids. 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:08.979 We had a lot of leaders. 00:13:09.819 --> 00:13:12.319 And so we break it up into that program. 00:13:12.620 --> 00:13:14.319 Now then we go a step further. 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:17.479 And this is another relational structure 00:13:17.479 --> 00:13:18.839 that I think is very important. 00:13:19.539 --> 00:13:23.360 Whomever is the youth leader of the program, 00:13:23.360 --> 00:13:28.539 your job is to minister to the leadership team. 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:33.159 That is your primary relational focus. 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:35.960 That doesn't mean that you don't relate to kids, 00:13:36.740 --> 00:13:39.680 but your primary relationship is to the leaders. 00:13:40.340 --> 00:13:43.379 So one of the first things you've got to do at a church 00:13:43.379 --> 00:13:45.560 is say, who are my youth leaders? 00:13:46.180 --> 00:13:48.759 Or I've got to start to develop some youth leaders. 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:54.600 And I want to pour my time, my love, my discipleship, 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.399 and my Bible study into my youth leaders. 00:13:57.899 --> 00:14:03.500 These youth leaders minister to small groups. 00:14:04.460 --> 00:14:05.200 Nothing new there. 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.139 This is where you guys excel. 00:14:07.259 --> 00:14:08.200 You're very good at this 00:14:08.200 --> 00:14:11.299 because you've learned this a lot. 00:14:12.419 --> 00:14:16.559 Now, I, the leader, am still part of a leadership team, 00:14:16.559 --> 00:14:17.979 and I run a small group. 00:14:18.719 --> 00:14:20.319 So keep that in mind. 00:14:20.419 --> 00:14:22.759 I, the youth leader, still am part of a leadership team 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:23.899 and run a small group. 00:14:24.259 --> 00:14:27.419 And this set of small groups, 00:14:27.959 --> 00:14:29.579 they reach out to their family and friends. 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:33.619 Now that means that me, the leader, 00:14:33.979 --> 00:14:35.399 sets the tone for the group. 00:14:36.419 --> 00:14:39.619 And I infuse the group with everything. 00:14:40.539 --> 00:14:43.939 And I, the leader, impact hundreds of people. 00:14:46.559 --> 00:14:47.839 So that takes a lot of work. 00:14:49.059 --> 00:14:50.819 And so I've got to think through a whole bunch of issues. 00:14:51.699 --> 00:14:53.719 One of the issues I've got to think through is, 00:14:54.219 --> 00:14:55.719 how do I minister to that group of people? 00:14:56.819 --> 00:14:57.979 How do I minister to that group of people? 00:14:58.819 --> 00:14:59.619 It's really hard. 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:00.679 Because they're busy. 00:15:01.239 --> 00:15:01.859 They're gifted. 00:15:02.479 --> 00:15:04.159 They may be doing other things in the church. 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:05.479 Yada, yada, yada. 00:15:06.299 --> 00:15:08.419 Now, what I've always suggested, 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:09.500 I've written about it, 00:15:09.699 --> 00:15:11.859 and I strongly believe it. 00:15:11.860 --> 00:15:15.259 If you want to see that work, 00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:19.460 if you want to see a really effective youth ministry, 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:22.500 one of the best things to do 00:15:22.500 --> 00:15:25.220 is to form a small group Bible study 00:15:25.220 --> 00:15:25.860 of that group of people. 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:26.980 Right there. 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:29.800 And so say to those people, 00:15:30.560 --> 00:15:33.399 next year, I want to ask you, 00:15:34.100 --> 00:15:35.600 and I don't want to force you, 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:39.899 but I really want you to leave your cell group, 00:15:40.360 --> 00:15:42.019 and I want to form a cell group, 00:15:42.220 --> 00:15:43.460 a Bible study of leaders, 00:15:43.740 --> 00:15:45.779 where we're going to study the Bible 00:15:45.779 --> 00:15:47.000 and encourage each other 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.000 with a specific focus on doing youth ministry. 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:51.720 That will not be popular. 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:52.560 Guarantee it. 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:53.560 100%. 00:15:53.560 --> 00:15:54.159 It's never popular. 00:15:54.580 --> 00:15:56.860 But it will be very effective. 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:58.920 And one of the things it will do 00:15:58.920 --> 00:16:01.200 is it will keep these people healthy 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:02.220 in youth ministry. 00:16:03.019 --> 00:16:04.680 One of the things that many of us are finding 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:06.579 is we have a constant turnover of youth leaders. 00:16:06.899 --> 00:16:08.199 There's a whole bunch of reasons for that. 00:16:08.779 --> 00:16:09.699 I think Friday nights, 00:16:10.239 --> 00:16:11.239 quite frankly, a culprit. 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.539 What working person wants to go to youth group 00:16:13.539 --> 00:16:14.819 on a Friday night? 00:16:15.139 --> 00:16:15.899 Not many. 00:16:17.620 --> 00:16:19.519 And they just get tired. 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:23.759 So I want to be ministering to this person, 00:16:24.959 --> 00:16:25.739 building them up. 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:27.539 And so think through, 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:29.439 could you as a leadership team 00:16:29.439 --> 00:16:31.159 leave your small groups, 00:16:31.579 --> 00:16:33.079 form your own small group, 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:34.840 one of the things you could do 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:38.300 is the Bible study that I give them, 00:16:38.900 --> 00:16:40.720 they then give them. 00:16:41.259 --> 00:16:41.780 You could do that. 00:16:42.120 --> 00:16:43.600 So that means that the Bible study of the leader 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:45.040 doesn't need to do as much preparation. 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:46.620 You know, not a lot of, 00:16:46.940 --> 00:16:48.860 most of us have done that a lot. 00:16:50.540 --> 00:16:53.100 Anybody have a question or a thought or comment on that? 00:16:57.180 --> 00:16:57.540 Yep? 00:16:57.539 --> 00:16:57.980 Okay. 00:16:57.980 --> 00:16:58.179 Okay. 00:16:58.799 --> 00:16:59.039 Now, 00:17:00.319 --> 00:17:01.740 the next thing we need to do, 00:17:02.139 --> 00:17:04.259 we've organized our youth group into small groups. 00:17:04.519 --> 00:17:06.099 So we've thought about relationships 00:17:06.099 --> 00:17:07.779 on an organizational level. 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:09.859 Let's split up our youth group. 00:17:10.339 --> 00:17:11.980 I'm going to take these guys. 00:17:12.379 --> 00:17:14.079 Josh, you're going to take those guys. 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:16.039 Julie, you're going to take those girls. 00:17:16.539 --> 00:17:18.339 Lonnie, you're going to take those girls, etc. 00:17:18.339 --> 00:17:19.439 By the way, 00:17:19.699 --> 00:17:21.619 there's a great evangelistic spin-off to that. 00:17:22.779 --> 00:17:24.399 Because a new kid walks in, 00:17:24.980 --> 00:17:26.179 and we know who to talk to that. 00:17:26.439 --> 00:17:28.459 It's really clear who talks to that kid. 00:17:29.199 --> 00:17:31.480 New kid, new kid, new kid. 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:32.019 Woo! 00:17:32.480 --> 00:17:33.359 We have a new kid. 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:34.259 This is awesome. 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:35.459 Who talks to him? 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:37.679 He's grade seven. 00:17:38.179 --> 00:17:38.939 He's mine. 00:17:39.639 --> 00:17:40.699 The kid is looked after. 00:17:41.419 --> 00:17:42.559 He's grade 12. 00:17:42.879 --> 00:17:43.919 Josh, he's yours. 00:17:44.279 --> 00:17:45.119 He's a girl. 00:17:45.539 --> 00:17:47.259 Julie, he's yours. 00:17:47.259 --> 00:17:50.559 I've actually done that. 00:17:51.039 --> 00:17:53.500 Mother brought their child to youth group years ago. 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:55.480 And I'm looking at this child thinking, 00:17:55.859 --> 00:17:57.379 I don't know what you are. 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:01.140 And so the mother said, 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:04.180 my child, even the mother, 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:06.640 my child is thinking about getting involved. 00:18:07.099 --> 00:18:09.240 And I thought, I'm making a call here. 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.940 Bud, it's great to have you have a great set of Bible studies for guys. 00:18:13.379 --> 00:18:14.059 Grade 8 Bible studies. 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:15.259 I'm a girl. 00:18:17.259 --> 00:18:24.559 Now I want to think, 00:18:25.099 --> 00:18:25.920 I want to think, 00:18:26.019 --> 00:18:27.019 okay, organizationally, 00:18:27.099 --> 00:18:28.879 I've got a small group thing going. 00:18:30.759 --> 00:18:32.200 In that small group, 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:33.720 we're going to study the Bible, 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:34.619 we're going to hang out, 00:18:34.859 --> 00:18:35.859 we're going to get to know each other, 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:36.960 all that good stuff. 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:38.440 Many of you have done this. 00:18:38.539 --> 00:18:40.259 I don't need to spend a minute on it. 00:18:40.259 --> 00:18:45.180 But then there's going to be other stuff that comes out. 00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:49.259 And so I want to develop this kind of culture, 00:18:49.700 --> 00:18:52.119 where from the small group, 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:55.180 I go out to coffee with my guys. 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:57.859 Or I go to McDonald's. 00:18:58.099 --> 00:18:58.700 Or whatever. 00:18:58.920 --> 00:18:59.759 Whatever it is. 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:07.779 And so those guys know that the relationship just isn't about me teaching the word to them. 00:19:08.180 --> 00:19:11.119 But there's also a much broader category. 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:15.339 And so I'm going to have a whole bunch of aspects that I'm going to deal with. 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:16.359 All these things. 00:19:17.019 --> 00:19:19.419 So kids are going to need pastoral care. 00:19:20.279 --> 00:19:22.059 My parents are getting a divorce. 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:25.119 We'll come to Bible study and we'll do a study on divorce. 00:19:27.079 --> 00:19:27.779 Well, yeah. 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:30.139 But also, let's go talk about it, bro. 00:19:30.259 --> 00:19:31.159 God, it's terrible. 00:19:31.659 --> 00:19:31.959 Let's go. 00:19:32.179 --> 00:19:33.639 Can I meet you at McDonald's? 00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:34.740 When can I meet you at McDonald's? 00:19:34.919 --> 00:19:38.219 Why don't we meet for three weeks and talk this through? 00:19:38.579 --> 00:19:40.399 Would it be helpful if I called one of your parents? 00:19:40.399 --> 00:19:41.699 Is there something I can do? 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.479 This kid needs to know that I not only share the gospel, 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:45.699 but I share my lives as well. 00:19:45.700 --> 00:19:51.420 So relationship building, discipleship, mentoring, answering questions, 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:55.580 all these things are going to come about relationally. 00:19:56.100 --> 00:19:59.640 Now, this is hard work and it's expensive. 00:20:00.220 --> 00:20:05.460 It costs our time and it costs our money and it costs our effort. 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:08.440 So every church I've worked at, I've said, 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:11.460 listen, I'm going to need money to spend time with kids. 00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:18.120 So I'm going to, in Vancouver, I'm going to need Starbucks cards. 00:20:18.819 --> 00:20:23.340 And so the church factored in and we spent thousands of dollars every year 00:20:23.340 --> 00:20:24.980 taking youth to Starbucks. 00:20:25.340 --> 00:20:30.079 So Josh was one of my youth leaders and all the time I'm giving Josh a Starbucks card. 00:20:30.380 --> 00:20:34.539 Josh would send me an email and he'd say, I'm running out of Starbucks and I'm thinking, 00:20:34.539 --> 00:20:35.779 Josh, that's awesome. 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.220 That means he's taking his guys in Bible study out for coffee, 00:20:40.700 --> 00:20:44.899 talking with them, loving them, giving them advice, opening the Bible with them. 00:20:45.139 --> 00:20:46.639 And Josh is saying, I'm running low. 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:47.500 Bang. 00:20:47.619 --> 00:20:49.059 So I give him another Starbucks card. 00:20:49.399 --> 00:20:51.379 And I'm thinking, this is great. 00:20:51.380 --> 00:20:54.460 All these relationships starting to form. 00:20:54.760 --> 00:20:55.820 Julie, you got any comments on that? 00:20:56.660 --> 00:20:56.760 No? 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:00.440 Anybody got a question or a thought on this issue? 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:01.220 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:01.340 Yeah. 00:21:05.140 --> 00:21:05.540 Yeah. 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:09.360 Yeah, that's a very good question. 00:21:12.180 --> 00:21:16.720 Certainly if I say to a year seven boy, would you like to go, they're going to freak out. 00:21:17.220 --> 00:21:17.940 I'm going to freak out. 00:21:21.380 --> 00:21:30.480 Roughly for guys, grade 10, year 10, year 11, usually in pairs, you know. 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:34.140 Usually they don't get it. 00:21:35.100 --> 00:21:38.180 And then once you do it, they crave it. 00:21:38.800 --> 00:21:40.740 So there's a little bit of a hurdle to get over. 00:21:42.260 --> 00:21:49.520 But that's where usually this stuff, this type of getting to know kids doesn't come from youth group. 00:21:49.700 --> 00:21:50.920 It comes from small group. 00:21:51.380 --> 00:21:54.920 So if I were to walk up to a kid in youth group and say, hey, you know, it's really good having you here. 00:21:55.160 --> 00:21:56.560 We've sort of gotten to get to know each other. 00:21:56.760 --> 00:21:57.640 Let's have coffee. 00:21:58.340 --> 00:22:02.080 That's a little bit odder than Jono, who's in my small group. 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.520 He's been coming to small group for a year. 00:22:04.100 --> 00:22:05.380 Really loves small group. 00:22:05.600 --> 00:22:07.260 Obviously, it's a much more natural setting. 00:22:07.660 --> 00:22:12.000 So I would argue this kind of stuff springs more from the small group. 00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:14.340 Julie, girls, what are you doing? 00:22:14.460 --> 00:22:15.320 How old are you, you know? 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.659 Yeah, you know, girls, I think girls do this at a younger age. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:24.740 But I remember when I was at Oakhurst, I was saying to other girls, let's go out for coffee. 00:22:24.879 --> 00:22:25.539 She's like, really? 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:27.000 What are you doing now? 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:28.500 And do I have coffee? 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:30.940 And it was just so foreign to her. 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:40.640 And one thing I will comment on is what happens out of this, if this becomes a culture of your group, is the kids start to do it with each other. 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:52.500 And I had a group of girls in Vancouver, and they met together every week of the last week of the week, and they did socialise outside of that. 00:22:52.660 --> 00:22:53.660 They had other friends. 00:22:54.259 --> 00:22:57.420 And so I said to them, okay, so I didn't name them. 00:22:57.640 --> 00:23:01.780 I go, okay, this week, Katrina, you're going to have coffee with Vanessa. 00:23:02.460 --> 00:23:06.180 You've got a week to see each other, and I'll ask you next week, did you actually see each other? 00:23:06.180 --> 00:23:08.960 And they actually got in the habit. 00:23:09.560 --> 00:23:11.799 They did it, so I didn't have their kids tell them how to do it. 00:23:11.820 --> 00:23:19.279 But that culture developed so that the kids started to see, this is what the leaders do with us, and now this is what we do with intelligence. 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:26.000 So if one of them comes to you through, and they say, I'm really upset, the kids' automatic response was, well, let's get together coffee this week. 00:23:26.120 --> 00:23:27.440 And they got into that habit. 00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:30.299 So the flow on was past leader and kid. 00:23:31.580 --> 00:23:32.680 Yeah, good, good. 00:23:33.560 --> 00:23:34.759 Yeah, yeah. 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:38.859 Now, the other thing we would do in small group, again, nothing new here. 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:45.500 You guys have been doing this forever, is our small group Bible studies met Friday afternoon in Vancouver. 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:46.920 It was a good time. 00:23:48.259 --> 00:23:52.079 In other churches, I think we met Wednesday afternoon at Oakhurst. 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:53.019 That was a good time. 00:23:53.339 --> 00:23:54.599 We would often hang out afterward. 00:23:55.019 --> 00:24:01.740 So we would have our Bible study and stuff, and then we'd say, you know, this is going to be a night where we go to Maccas or hang out. 00:24:02.099 --> 00:24:03.619 In Vancouver, we'd hang out a lot. 00:24:03.619 --> 00:24:14.659 My Bible study and I, the older they got, come grade 12, Bible study went from 5 to 7, and then we hung out almost every Friday night from 7 to whenever and did whatever. 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:15.959 Yeah? 00:24:16.179 --> 00:24:19.719 How do you do this for the other kids that, obviously, you don't take them out for coffee? 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:20.160 Yeah. 00:24:20.160 --> 00:24:20.200 Yeah. 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:21.120 All right. 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.940 Obviously, they still need to be the ability to ride. 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:24.519 Yeah. 00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:25.900 Good question. 00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:31.660 I think I'm going to go the classic pack activity. 00:24:31.660 --> 00:24:41.180 So if we've broken up our group into subgroups, I'm going to say, okay, subgroup, we're going to regularly do stuff. 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:46.600 And this is the time when you let off steam, have a fun activity. 00:24:46.840 --> 00:24:48.620 That's the beautiful setting for it. 00:24:48.820 --> 00:24:49.600 We're going to go bowling. 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:50.200 We're going to do this. 00:24:50.259 --> 00:24:50.779 We're going to do that. 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.900 And it stems from our life together. 00:24:55.019 --> 00:24:56.300 It stems from the gospel. 00:24:56.299 --> 00:24:58.079 And now we're going to spend our lives with each other. 00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:06.039 And then as you get a little older, we'll move into a little bit more heavy one-on-one, just chatting about life. 00:25:06.419 --> 00:25:09.539 But with my grade 7 small group, gosh, we played cricket. 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:12.759 We'd go on hikes together. 00:25:13.419 --> 00:25:14.740 We'd have movie nights. 00:25:17.139 --> 00:25:17.879 Great fun. 00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:21.099 Yeah. 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:22.539 Anybody else got a quick? 00:25:22.579 --> 00:25:22.700 Yeah. 00:25:22.700 --> 00:25:22.759 Yeah. 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:22.980 Yeah. 00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:25.240 I was just going to bring you up going back to Jason. 00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:30.599 What age would you say for many of the girls that that kind of thing would start? 00:25:32.259 --> 00:25:32.900 What age? 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:33.660 You know what? 00:25:34.420 --> 00:25:36.259 I'd say the same thing for girls. 00:25:36.360 --> 00:25:39.059 You can do it younger and they respond better. 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.059 Because girls are much more engaged in conversation. 00:25:42.900 --> 00:25:47.839 And girls are not threatened to sit across the table and look at each other in the dialogue. 00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:50.360 Whereas boys, it's a lot harder to think. 00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:53.279 Let's have an intense conversation for ages every morning. 00:25:53.719 --> 00:25:55.979 And so girls are much more... 00:25:55.979 --> 00:25:57.819 You know, partly it's... 00:25:57.819 --> 00:25:59.979 I would certainly start with a grade 9-up. 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.279 But I've worked at it earlier. 00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:05.839 And so one of the things I did with a young group once was I said to them, 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:09.299 I want to get together with you outside of a new group. 00:26:09.619 --> 00:26:12.879 So I want to get into a pair with someone that you'd like to do something with. 00:26:12.959 --> 00:26:14.899 And then the pair of you come to me and say, 00:26:15.139 --> 00:26:17.359 what do you want to do for the three of us? 00:26:17.579 --> 00:26:20.359 So one of them might come and say, we'll go to a new group. 00:26:20.939 --> 00:26:26.599 One pair said, we want to start in the morning and see how long we can do a roadies and do it all day. 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:29.199 Great. 00:26:29.200 --> 00:26:30.200 So... 00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.200 So... 00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.200 So... 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.200 So... 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:35.200 So... 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:40.000 That whole idea of, you feel safe and secure because it's not as intense. 00:26:40.360 --> 00:26:41.880 But yeah, earlier with the group. 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:42.080 Yeah. 00:26:43.299 --> 00:26:45.460 Now again, I want to... 00:26:45.460 --> 00:26:47.480 If I'm overworking the concept, sorry. 00:26:47.779 --> 00:26:52.259 But I want you to see that this stuff comes out of being the Christian community. 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:58.299 So when we were at St. Ives, just up the road, heavy study pressure community. 00:26:58.619 --> 00:26:59.940 So we would have study halls. 00:27:00.519 --> 00:27:02.400 We would say, this is clearly a good thing for youth. 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:04.599 Was it designed to attract non-Christians? 00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:05.180 No. 00:27:05.539 --> 00:27:08.680 Was it bring your friend to study hall and then we're going to tell them about Jesus? 00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:09.440 No. 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:11.480 Did non-Christians come? 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:12.599 Yes, they did. 00:27:13.019 --> 00:27:14.140 In droves. 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:16.299 But that's not what it was designed for. 00:27:16.299 --> 00:27:20.779 But it was, hey, we as a community can see a perceived need here. 00:27:20.859 --> 00:27:22.119 This is serious need. 00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:24.220 And so then we started to have a study camp. 00:27:24.339 --> 00:27:27.339 You know, you guys, the city's been running study camps as long as the hills. 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.099 It was awesome. 00:27:29.579 --> 00:27:36.440 It was doing life together that springs from this kind of being God's people 00:27:36.440 --> 00:27:39.900 and doing it in a way that's culturally appropriate. 00:27:40.819 --> 00:27:42.099 Now, I'm going to make a couple more comments. 00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:43.799 Anybody else have a thought or statement or question? 00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:44.480 I'll answer that again. 00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:44.759 Yeah. 00:27:45.259 --> 00:27:48.200 With study hall, I actually had my father study. 00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:49.279 He was going to go to the first time. 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:50.740 I said, come over to my house on Saturday. 00:27:50.740 --> 00:27:52.220 I'm going to make you study. 00:27:52.819 --> 00:27:53.960 And I wanted to learn. 00:27:54.339 --> 00:27:56.039 And they have a day of just studying together. 00:27:56.299 --> 00:27:57.000 That was really cool. 00:27:57.660 --> 00:27:59.039 Whereas in Vancouver, that just, 00:28:00.019 --> 00:28:00.980 Oh, Chris, we never did it. 00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:02.740 It was not an issue. 00:28:03.900 --> 00:28:06.120 Vancouver, you know, 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:07.480 if we'd have said, hey, we're going to have a study hall, 00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:08.200 they'd be like, why? 00:28:08.819 --> 00:28:09.059 You know? 00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:09.980 We're Canadians. 00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:12.339 We're just going to dig oil out of the ground. 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:14.619 Club seals. 00:28:16.779 --> 00:28:17.339 Yeah. 00:28:20.859 --> 00:28:25.220 You have a great Australian accent, by the way, bro. 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:26.440 That's awesome. 00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:28.039 I love it. 00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:29.119 I'm from down south. 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.700 So, taking time, spending money, and effort. 00:28:34.059 --> 00:28:36.099 If you've got youth leaders that aren't on board with you, 00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:37.319 it's problematic. 00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:38.259 Problematic. 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:39.139 How do you deal with that? 00:28:39.259 --> 00:28:39.519 Yeah. 00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:40.639 Because we've got, 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:41.759 we want to talk to this year, 00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:43.259 but we're in a team of 13. 00:28:43.639 --> 00:28:43.859 Yeah. 00:28:44.500 --> 00:28:44.680 Yeah. 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:45.639 So, we go back and say, 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:46.700 hey, guys, this is awesome. 00:28:46.879 --> 00:28:47.379 Let's do it. 00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:49.559 Yeah, dude, that's really hard. 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:56.099 I'll tell you something you already know. 00:28:56.679 --> 00:29:00.859 That in the Bible, leadership is about character. 00:29:01.240 --> 00:29:02.539 And it's about godly character. 00:29:03.419 --> 00:29:06.859 Titus chapter 1, 1 Timothy chapter 3, 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:10.200 it's really clear what God says to us. 00:29:10.619 --> 00:29:13.579 It's who you are as a godly person. 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.519 That's what makes you a leader. 00:29:16.119 --> 00:29:18.980 And I then want to take a step further and say, 00:29:18.980 --> 00:29:21.059 godly leader, 00:29:21.299 --> 00:29:23.460 you need to be committed to a godly program. 00:29:23.940 --> 00:29:26.319 And this is where youth leaders often say no. 00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:28.400 Now, they don't actually say no, 00:29:28.460 --> 00:29:29.240 but they do say no. 00:29:29.579 --> 00:29:31.180 They say, I want to be leader 00:29:31.180 --> 00:29:32.900 for all sorts of other reasons. 00:29:33.700 --> 00:29:36.120 It was expected, or it's trendy, 00:29:36.339 --> 00:29:38.720 or it's attractive, or whatever. 00:29:38.980 --> 00:29:41.839 And I want to be doing these certain types of activities. 00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:44.460 And that, there's no way around it, 00:29:44.460 --> 00:29:47.519 but teaching, spending time with them, 00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:49.579 wooing them, talking with them, 00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:50.660 and then cutting them off. 00:29:51.639 --> 00:29:55.680 And saying, we've run the games thing, 00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:56.720 and it's just not working. 00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:57.839 It hasn't worked for us. 00:29:58.279 --> 00:29:58.920 Come on. 00:29:59.299 --> 00:30:01.339 And the Bible's clear on what it says. 00:30:01.700 --> 00:30:04.279 Please run a small group where you actually study the Bible 00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.000 with these guys or girls, 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.500 and love on them, 00:30:07.619 --> 00:30:10.460 and just get the joy from that, 00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:12.500 not from doing some other activities. 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:14.500 And a lot of leaders, 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:15.480 a lot of parents, 00:30:15.660 --> 00:30:16.500 a lot of ministers, 00:30:17.059 --> 00:30:18.700 that's not what they want. 00:30:20.099 --> 00:30:23.119 It's about lots of other things. 00:30:23.380 --> 00:30:24.400 Generally, it's about numbers. 00:30:24.579 --> 00:30:24.980 Yeah, Cameron. 00:30:24.980 --> 00:30:27.500 I had a similar situation there, 00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.539 and I took my leads away on weekend retreat. 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:35.500 And thankfully, it was a great spot. 00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:38.539 It was in the middle of an estate forest. 00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.259 There was no mobile phone coverage. 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:42.240 There was a generator power. 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:44.079 So there was... 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:44.779 But it was just, 00:30:45.180 --> 00:30:46.980 hey, let's see what we're... 00:30:46.980 --> 00:30:48.339 Let's look at... 00:30:48.339 --> 00:30:52.259 You know, I used some of the Mike Yacquanelli stuff, 00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:55.779 and Ken's actually written a full page response, 00:30:55.879 --> 00:30:57.539 up-page response to Mike's thing. 00:30:58.220 --> 00:30:58.640 Sat down, 00:30:58.720 --> 00:31:00.500 look, this is where they've been, 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:01.900 this is where they've gone, 00:31:02.059 --> 00:31:03.559 this is where it hasn't happened. 00:31:04.339 --> 00:31:06.220 God, then, to spend some time with the word. 00:31:07.299 --> 00:31:09.859 And you put them in a place where 00:31:09.859 --> 00:31:11.140 you've got no distractions, 00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:12.180 and they've got to look at it. 00:31:13.379 --> 00:31:15.000 And then you come out of it, 00:31:15.220 --> 00:31:16.180 I lost half the group. 00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:18.259 But the other half... 00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:21.019 got it. 00:31:21.019 --> 00:31:24.160 and started the world with it. 00:31:24.700 --> 00:31:27.460 So that's hard work. 00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:29.099 And I think what Ken was saying before, 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:30.759 you have your, 00:31:30.879 --> 00:31:34.000 if I was a group of leaders, 00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:36.599 that's where you win them. 00:31:37.460 --> 00:31:38.099 The long term, 00:31:38.180 --> 00:31:39.039 where you win them, where you are. 00:31:39.980 --> 00:31:41.839 And the best leaders 00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:43.599 are the ones that you yourself have grown. 00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.359 So that's going to be an organic solution 00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:46.940 to your problem, 00:31:46.940 --> 00:31:51.200 is if I come in as youth leader, 00:31:51.900 --> 00:31:53.380 one of the groups 00:31:53.380 --> 00:31:54.880 that I'm going to target strategically 00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.180 in my small group is, 00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:59.080 are there any grade 10 or 11 00:31:59.080 --> 00:32:01.220 or maybe grade 12 boys? 00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:01.880 Quite often, 00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:03.620 the grade 12ers don't accept the new guy 00:32:03.620 --> 00:32:04.980 because I'm not like the old guy. 00:32:05.460 --> 00:32:07.940 But I want to take an older group of guys, 00:32:07.940 --> 00:32:09.080 and I want Julie 00:32:09.080 --> 00:32:10.580 to take the older group of girls 00:32:10.580 --> 00:32:12.740 because within a year or two, 00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:13.820 they're obviously going to grow up, 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:14.519 go to university, 00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:16.039 and they will be leaders 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:17.860 who think like me. 00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.039 And that's the best way. 00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:22.259 It's just to fight. 00:32:22.360 --> 00:32:23.640 If you have to fight with your leaders, 00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:24.380 fight with your leaders, 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:26.180 but then just start producing these. 00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:28.220 Organic leaders. 00:32:28.220 --> 00:32:30.440 And this is the best conversation 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:31.360 if you could ever have it. 00:32:31.900 --> 00:32:32.319 Hey, listen, 00:32:32.380 --> 00:32:33.819 I want you to think about becoming a leader. 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:35.059 Oh, me? 00:32:35.579 --> 00:32:35.940 Ow. 00:32:36.100 --> 00:32:36.920 What do I do? 00:32:37.539 --> 00:32:39.519 You just do to them 00:32:39.519 --> 00:32:41.640 what I did to you. 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:43.299 That's it? 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:45.000 That's it. 00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:47.339 If you can have that conversation, 00:32:47.779 --> 00:32:48.000 bang. 00:32:48.940 --> 00:32:50.160 And so they just say, 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:51.100 wow, okay. 00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:52.900 And they run a small group, 00:32:53.019 --> 00:32:54.700 just like you've run a small group with them, 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:56.480 and hopefully the same thing happens, 00:32:56.480 --> 00:32:58.360 and then you start to get this nice, 00:32:58.460 --> 00:33:00.420 organic flow of leaders. 00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:01.640 But do change it. 00:33:01.779 --> 00:33:03.039 If I'm hearing your question rightly, 00:33:03.099 --> 00:33:03.599 and I hope I am, 00:33:04.019 --> 00:33:06.400 changing things is hard. 00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:07.180 Ugh. 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:08.039 Brutal. 00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:10.299 Now I saw another hand, 00:33:10.360 --> 00:33:11.000 I thought, somewhere. 00:33:11.259 --> 00:33:11.440 Yep. 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:12.700 I have a question. 00:33:12.819 --> 00:33:13.099 Yeah. 00:33:13.099 --> 00:33:14.940 Do you have any advice for us? 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:16.920 We lost out using this at the beginning of India. 00:33:17.339 --> 00:33:19.319 How can we as a group of leaders 00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.519 without that head from the diagram 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:22.779 and everything else 00:33:22.779 --> 00:33:25.860 try and keep the stuff that we want 00:33:25.859 --> 00:33:27.199 that can have a great system? 00:33:27.419 --> 00:33:30.599 How do we do that without that person? 00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:33.519 Is there a search for a new youth leader? 00:33:33.579 --> 00:33:34.439 Is that like happening? 00:33:35.019 --> 00:33:35.459 Yeah. 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:36.119 Yeah. 00:33:36.219 --> 00:33:36.799 It kind of. 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:38.159 It might be the youth. 00:33:38.299 --> 00:33:39.659 We're all in a Bible study together. 00:33:39.959 --> 00:33:40.219 Yeah. 00:33:42.219 --> 00:33:43.559 Yeah, it's really hard. 00:33:43.919 --> 00:33:44.319 It's, it's, it's, 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:45.819 that, 00:33:45.919 --> 00:33:46.979 we all know that that, 00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:48.740 it's the central minister, 00:33:48.939 --> 00:33:49.839 the central youth leader, 00:33:49.919 --> 00:33:51.059 so important, you know? 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:51.319 It just, 00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:53.139 they keep the, 00:33:53.139 --> 00:33:54.379 they keep the glue together, 00:33:54.380 --> 00:33:55.460 they keep us motivated, 00:33:55.580 --> 00:33:57.400 they keep us moving in the same direction. 00:33:58.740 --> 00:33:59.100 They, 00:33:59.140 --> 00:34:01.360 they do work that makes our life easier for us. 00:34:03.060 --> 00:34:03.580 You guys, 00:34:03.800 --> 00:34:04.060 sorry, 00:34:04.120 --> 00:34:04.580 you girls? 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:05.360 Is it just girls? 00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:05.860 You, 00:34:06.080 --> 00:34:06.360 you, 00:34:06.500 --> 00:34:06.700 you, 00:34:06.820 --> 00:34:07.600 you people. 00:34:08.260 --> 00:34:08.539 Okay, 00:34:08.660 --> 00:34:09.160 you people. 00:34:10.660 --> 00:34:11.880 Anybody know George Stathios? 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:13.180 Is that a name you guys know? 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:13.740 Do I know there's a, 00:34:14.019 --> 00:34:14.539 George Stathios, 00:34:14.740 --> 00:34:14.920 good, 00:34:14.980 --> 00:34:15.440 good buddy of mine. 00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:15.680 He's awesome. 00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:16.079 Awesome. 00:34:16.579 --> 00:34:17.240 He got married. 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:19.760 He got married on January 1st, 00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:20.780 2001. 00:34:22.240 --> 00:34:23.220 That's George Stathios. 00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:24.619 It was in 2000. 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.059 It was after Y2K. 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:27.500 And, 00:34:27.739 --> 00:34:29.859 the minister who led us, 00:34:29.899 --> 00:34:30.719 such a great minister, 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:32.779 but I thought it was Mayor Quimby from the Simpsons. 00:34:33.859 --> 00:34:35.079 We're at the wedding today, 00:34:35.659 --> 00:34:36.419 and Julie Lentow, 00:34:36.500 --> 00:34:38.059 she's Mayor Quimby from the Simpsons. 00:34:38.699 --> 00:34:39.000 And so, 00:34:39.299 --> 00:34:39.919 for all during the wedding, 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:40.259 we're going, 00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:41.059 you people, 00:34:41.279 --> 00:34:41.939 if you know Simpsons, 00:34:42.779 --> 00:34:43.179 oh, 00:34:43.379 --> 00:34:43.819 sorry, 00:34:44.779 --> 00:34:45.699 I'm being taped. 00:34:48.099 --> 00:34:48.659 And it, 00:34:49.779 --> 00:34:50.299 Steve, 00:34:50.419 --> 00:34:52.419 why did you say those things about George Stathios? 00:34:52.420 --> 00:34:52.619 Y'all, 00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:53.940 I can't even forget that. 00:34:55.200 --> 00:35:00.519 Let me think about your question. 00:35:02.380 --> 00:35:06.980 I don't want to give a trite answer to a deep question. 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:10.079 Let me think about it, 00:35:10.300 --> 00:35:12.820 and I will say something after lunch about it. 00:35:14.180 --> 00:35:14.559 Okay, 00:35:14.579 --> 00:35:15.519 let me make some last comments, 00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:16.300 and let's take a lunch break. 00:35:16.300 --> 00:35:21.680 Now have a think about your youth group. 00:35:22.780 --> 00:35:24.620 And this is actually going to be a frustrating answer. 00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:25.780 Sorry, 00:35:25.980 --> 00:35:28.880 this is going to be a frustrating next set of comments, 00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:30.380 given your situation without a leader. 00:35:30.860 --> 00:35:34.720 But you now have a whole bunch of things to think through 00:35:34.720 --> 00:35:36.280 that are going to take time. 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.539 So you're going to have to think about doing Christian activities. 00:35:40.539 --> 00:35:41.139 Well, 00:35:41.179 --> 00:35:42.739 that's actually a hard thing to do, 00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:44.739 because we haven't been taught to do it. 00:35:45.059 --> 00:35:46.259 I'm going to tell you this afternoon, 00:35:46.579 --> 00:35:47.920 we've been taught to sing, 00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:49.579 to pray maybe, 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:50.820 to Bible study, 00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:52.079 and to play games. 00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:54.000 That's kind of all we've been taught how to do. 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:55.400 And I'm going to say, 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:55.599 no, 00:35:55.639 --> 00:35:58.039 let's do a whole bunch of other activities in the youth group meeting. 00:35:58.340 --> 00:35:58.639 Oh, 00:35:58.759 --> 00:35:59.679 that's going to take time. 00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.239 We're going to have to think about how we do this in culture. 00:36:03.420 --> 00:36:04.579 How do I communicate? 00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:06.400 That's going to take time. 00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.420 I'm going to need to spend time with leaders. 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:10.980 That's going to take time. 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:15.000 I'm going to need to spend time with youth outside of youth group. 00:36:15.579 --> 00:36:16.779 That's going to take time. 00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:19.920 So that means you're going to have to think about 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.279 maybe cutting out some other activities. 00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.840 And I think there are lots of activities in youth ministry that we do 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.319 that maybe we need to cut out. 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:31.179 That maybe we need to say, 00:36:31.299 --> 00:36:31.500 gosh, 00:36:31.539 --> 00:36:34.039 I'm spending 10 to 20 hours a week on that, 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.079 and it's not producing a lot of fruit. 00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:39.360 But I know that if I spend time with my leaders, 00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:41.539 or if I spend time with youth, 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:43.820 or I think creatively about my teaching, 00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:45.199 that will pay fruit. 00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:47.539 So each one of us is in a different situation. 00:36:47.659 --> 00:36:49.539 So you're going to have to think through what we drop out. 00:36:50.500 --> 00:36:52.320 What we drop out. 00:36:52.739 --> 00:36:54.599 What we drop out. 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:56.500 Anybody got a last comment or question? 00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:57.279 I'm just warning you, 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:57.980 if you do, 00:36:58.219 --> 00:37:00.480 it means we're going to go to lunch later.