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 Seemingly difficult or awkward, I'm prepared to take it, so please do feel free to ask later on.

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 In the last couple of generations, there has been a dramatic shift in people's attitudes towards gay people.

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 It's evident, I think, in a whole host of ways.

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 So openly gay celebrities now are no longer sidelined.

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 There would have been a time when, if a celebrity was gay, they would have done pretty much anything to cover that up and to keep that from other people.

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 But now you tend to find that if a celebrity comes out and admits to being gay, it tends to add to their popular appeal and to their commercial value.

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 And if ever you wanted proof that a culture has changed so dramatically, surely it is Welsh Rugby International there, Gareth Thomas,

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 being able to publicly come out and declare himself to be gay, as he did a few years ago.

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 That really provides all the proof that you need.

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 That would never really have happened, probably not even ten years ago, let alone a generation ago.

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 Gay romance films are now pretty much mainstream.

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 Probably five, ten years ago, a film such as Brokeback Mountain would have been consigned to the specialist arty cinemas.

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 But it was in fact a mainstream Hollywood blockbuster, this film of gay romance.

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 I'm sure none of us here will have seen that or admit to having seen it if we have.

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 Same-sex relationships are, of course, now legally recognised too.

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 Legislation has changed all around the world.

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 People have introduced legislation for civil partnerships.

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 And, of course, a number of governments have already introduced legislation for full same-sex marriage,

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 with a number of other governments talking about doing the same thing.

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 And a number of world leaders now have come out and said that they are in favour of same-sex marriage.

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 Oh, Johnny's taken away my picture of President Obama.

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 There was a picture there.

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 We had a little bit of adjustment on the colour.

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 So that is President Obama, who says,

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 I hesitated on gay marriage, but I've just concluded that for me personally,

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 it's important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married.

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 That was President Obama in an ABC News interview earlier this year.

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 And that caused quite a storm over in the USA,

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 with President Obama making that very clear declaration.

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 So this cultural backdrop in mind, it's no surprise to us, I'm sure,

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 that the Church finds itself really under immense pressure to change our stance on same-sex relationships.

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 There's cultural pressure.

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 There is legislative pressure.

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 There's media pressure.

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 There's pressure from many influential voices, even within the Church.

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 And to Christian leaders who maintain that same-sex sexual relationships go against God's revealed will in the Bible,

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 the accusation is levelled that we're maybe out of touch, intolerant, or even homophobic and anti-gay.

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 Now, as evangelical Christians, the temptation, of course, when we're confronted with this kind of cultural tidal wave of popular opinion,

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 the temptation, I think, is either to retreat and become silently ashamed of the Gospel

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 and of Gospel teaching on human sexuality,

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 or we may be tempted simply to go on the offensive

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 and focus all of our efforts on maybe lobbying Parliament,

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 protesting at various proposed changes to the law.

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 But if we're true evangelicals, then we ought, I believe, really to challenge ourselves by asking this question.

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 Do I believe that the Gospel, that is the good news of Jesus Christ,

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 do I believe that the Gospel is good news for gay people too?

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 Is it good news for Christians, and perhaps there are some Christians here this evening,

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 who struggle with same-sex attraction, struggle with their sexual identity?

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 I'm trying at this point not to make any eye contact with anybody in particular,

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 in case you think, he's looking at me, he's looking at me, I'm not looking at anybody, just to be sure.

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 Well, as we focus on this subject of walking with gay friends,

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 I want to focus our thinking really around three main questions this evening,

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 just to give you an idea of where we're going in the structure.

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 Firstly, I'm going to ask, what are the causes of same-sex attraction?

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 What is it that causes some people to be attracted to those of the same sex rather than the opposite sex?

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 Is there a gay gene?

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 We're going to talk about that subject and hopefully help explode some of the myths around it.

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 Secondly, we're going to think, what does the Bible teach about same-sex practice?

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 Not what do we think it teaches, what do we heard it teaches?

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 What does it actually say when we look at various Bible passages?

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 And then thirdly, we're going to finish by thinking particularly,

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 what hope does the Gospel hold out to those for whom this is a personal issue?

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 So if we are seeking to walk with gay friends, by gay friends, what I mean by that is perhaps

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 those that we know, I'm sure a number of us will have colleagues or neighbours or friends

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 or family members who identify as gay or lesbian or bisexual.

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 How can we actually get alongside them?

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 What hope does the Gospel hold out to them?

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 But also what hope does the Gospel hold out to those who are Christians,

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 who perhaps don't identify as gay, but who admit to having a struggle

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 in this whole area of same-sex attraction?

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 So that's where we're going this evening.

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 But before we tackle the first of those questions,

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 I think it might be helpful just to spend a little bit of time tonight

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 giving you a little bit of my own background and telling something of my own story.

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 Because I want you to know that I don't teach on this subject

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 from the comfort of some kind of theological bubble.

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 This is an intensely personal issue for me.

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 I grew up in a church-going family, so I was taken to church from a very young age.

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 I was taken to Sunday school, so I grew up really with a belief in God

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 from as young as I can remember, a belief in the truth of the Bible.

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 But from around about the age of 10 or 11, I became conscious of feeling attractions

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 to some of my male friends rather than to my female friends.

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 That was quite a shock to me.

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 It was quite a confusing time.

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 Not something I'd ever chosen, but just something simply that was there.

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 And so I began as a 10, 11, 12-year-old to sort of battle through these thoughts.

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 What does this actually mean?

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 How can this possibly happen to me?

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 I believe in God, and I know that the Bible is very negative about homosexual practice.

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 So, you know, how can I reconcile these two things together?

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 And that was a real struggle for me.

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 And I didn't feel at that age that I could share what was going on with anybody else.

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 I certainly couldn't talk to my parents.

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 Couldn't really talk to friends at school.

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 Things were a lot less open than they would probably be today.

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 And to be honest, the very last place I was going to go was going to be the church,

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 because the only time that I'd ever heard Christians talking about homosexuality,

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 it was always in a very judgmental or very harsh or sometimes very condemning way.

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 So I was left, if you like, as I entered into teenage years to try and work through these things by myself

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 and work through what this meant for me.

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 And around about the age of 17, I think it was, I began to identify inwardly as being gay.

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 I remember picking up a book off my parents' bookshelves, and it was all about sort of puberty, adolescence.

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 I remember reading in there that some people might have a phase of feeling attracted to the same sex.

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 I remember reading, you know, I'm thinking, well, if this is a phase, it's a very long phase, it's not going away.

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 And then I came across this word gay.

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 And I believe that that was probably the label that I ought then to attribute to myself.

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 I didn't want to tell anybody else that.

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 I certainly didn't want to be open about it.

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 In fact, I wanted to do everything possible to hide that from other people.

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 But inwardly, I certainly felt that I must be gay.

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 And I was then faced with a choice, really, at 17.

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 I either keep going to church, keep reading the Bible, keep, quote, trying to be good.

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 That's what I thought a Christian was in those days.

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 Or I was going to explore this emerging sexuality.

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 I didn't want to be promiscuous.

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 I didn't want to have many partners.

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 Actually, my dream, if you like, as a 17-year-old boy was simply to find one special person to get to know and to spend my life with.

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 And I did meet a guy of my own age.

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 We became great friends.

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 Over a period of time, we fell in love and we entered into this long-term relationship together.

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 And that relationship lasted from age 17 through to 24.

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 But at age 24, there was quite a dramatic turnaround, really, in my life.

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 And that was initiated over a period of time, really.

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 I think God working in my heart and mind, convicting me that the way I was living was displeasing to him.

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 And I don't think simply because of my sexuality, but just because my whole life really wasn't focused on him.

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 I pretty much moved away from the church at that stage, wasn't reading the Bible, didn't even have any sense of trying to be good, if you like, trying to be a Christian.

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 And so God brought me under conviction.

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 And I remember one Sunday morning simply walking into a church.

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 This was in Bournemouth on the south coast of England where I was living at the time.

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 And actually, I remember I was living opposite this particular church with my partner at the time.

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 And we had an apartment that overlooked the entrance.

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 And often we'd, I would look out on a Sunday morning and see all of these Christians, quite a big Baptist church down in Bournemouth.

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 And they would flood out of this church.

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 And they'd be laughing and joking and smiling.

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 One of those churches, you know, where people are happy when they come out.

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 There are still a few.

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 I'm sure you all come from churches like that as well, don't you?

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 But I remember looking at these Christians and thinking there's something about them that was appealing.

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 And in fact, I felt quite envious.

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 Here I was.

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 I was in a loving relationship.

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 I was very happy in that relationship.

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 I had quite a good job.

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 I had a nice car.

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 I had a good income.

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 I was able to have foreign holidays.

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 In a worldly sense, I had pretty much everything I ever had dreamt of.

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 And yet, deep down, I knew that I was unhappy.

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 And God was also convicting me, really, that the life I was living was a life that wasn't pleasing to him.

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 So I walked into that church one Sunday morning.

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 I can't remember an awful lot about the service itself, except for me there was a very tangible sense of the presence of God in that place on that day.

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 And that was very powerful to me.

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 And I remember talking to one of the ministers of the church.

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 And we subsequently met up the following week.

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 I met him in his study at the church.

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 He didn't know anything about my background.

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 I didn't tell him anything about my background.

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 And he simply asked, look, do you mind if I read something to you from God's word?

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 And I said, yeah, sure, that's fine.

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 So he opened up the Bible and he read to me some verses from Jeremiah chapter 29, some very well-known verses.

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 I'm sure you'll be familiar to us.

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 Jeremiah chapter 29, where God says,

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 And I remember hearing those words as if they were God's direct call, really, to me.

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 I remember at the time breaking down in tears, not something I was in the habit of doing and certainly not in front of anybody else.

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 But it was very, very powerful that this was God's calling me, if you like, to put my trust in him.

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 I, by that stage, already heard the gospel.

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 So I knew what it meant by then to be a Christian through faith in Jesus Christ.

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 And so I took those words, really, as God's call to put my trust in him through Christ for forgiveness of sins and salvation.

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 And that was the beginning, really, of quite a dramatic turnaround in my life.

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 So I knew immediately, nobody had to tell me, that becoming a Christian meant that I had to get out of that same-sex relationship.

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 That was quite a difficult thing to do, but I knew it was the right thing to do.

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 But I want to stress that becoming a Christian wasn't, in any sense, a negative experience.

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 I think sometimes, as Christians, we talk about all the things we give up.

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 And, of course, there is a cost to following Christ.

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 There are things to be given up.

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 But for me, becoming a Christian was a very positive experience as well.

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 I mean, just really as that prophecy from Jeremiah said, God had plans to prosper me and not to harm me, plans to give me hope and a future.

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 And that's certainly been my experience as I look back over the last 20 years or so now that I've become a Christian.

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 Just to give you one example, I didn't have any clue up until that stage what I should be doing vocationally.

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 I'd gone through a whole phase of being involved in different things, different jobs.

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 And I remember as a youngster, I had all these dreams.

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 In fact, I wanted to do all the typically gay things.

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 So I wanted to be an air steward.

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 I wanted to be a travel rep.

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 I wanted to be an actor.

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 I went off to audition for a drama school.

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 I'm not saying, by the way, if you want to be any of these things, that means you're gay.

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 Please don't misunderstand me.

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 But those were the typically gay things when I was growing up.

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 So I was a bit lost, really, in terms of what I was meant to be doing vocationally.

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 But I remember on that day having a really clear conviction that God was wanting me to go and teach his word,

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 the word that had worked so powerfully in turning my own life around, to teach that to other people.

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 I didn't know quite what that meant at that stage.

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 But I remember saying to this guy, the day I became a Christian, I want to be a missionary.

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 What do I do?

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 And he said, well, probably you need to hold on for a little while.

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 You've just become a Christian.

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 That was good advice, but you never want to hear that when you're a young Christian because you think you know everything.

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 But I did hold on.

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 And then a few years later, I went up to London to study at Bible College

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 and then went on to serve in a church over in East London

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 where I served as an assistant minister and youth worker for a number of years

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 and then subsequently as the pastor of that church.

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 And that was before joining the staff of the True Freedom Trust four years ago now

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 and then took over as the director of that organisation three years ago.

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 Let me tell you a little bit about True Freedom Trust

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 and then we're going to get into our question.

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 True Freedom Trust is basically an organisation, Christian ministry,

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 that is passionate about two things.

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 Firstly, helping Christians to think biblically and compassionately

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 about the whole area of sexuality, particularly same-sex attraction.

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 So we do an awful lot of teaching in churches, in Bible colleges,

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 in Christian unions, in youth groups, in schools,

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 really trying to communicate a biblical view of sexuality

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 but also a grace-filled view.

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 We believe you can be both full of grace and full of truth

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 as you think about issues of sexuality.

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 So we do that, a lot of teaching, but we also work then with individuals

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 who are struggling in these areas.

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 So that will be people who, like myself perhaps,

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 have come out of a background, being involved in a same-sex relationship

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 or just in any sense being involved in any kind of gay lifestyle.

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 Or in fact, more of the people that we support will be Christians

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 who perhaps have never been involved in a same-sex relationship

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 but have been conscious of a struggle in this area

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 and we seek to provide biblical encouragement and pastoral support.

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 And I'll put up at the end of the talk details of our website

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 where you might want to go and have a look.

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 There's an awful lot of information on there and testimonies and articles

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 and so on, ways that you can support us and pray for us as a ministry

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 which we would really appreciate.

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 Okay, well let's move on now to think about the first of our three questions.

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 What are the causes of same-sex attraction?

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 Well, there's a wide-ranging consensus among most of the respected experts in this field

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 that we need to accept what is known technically as a multi-causation model.

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 In plain English, that simply refers to a recognition

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 that there are a number of different factors

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 which contribute to how our sexual attractions and desires develop.

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 Okay, a number of different factors.

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 So some people will focus on biological and genetic factors.

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 Now, the fact is there is no one gene or set of genes

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 that in and of themselves have been discovered, if you like,

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 that make somebody gay.

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 Okay, that is a fact.

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 It simply isn't there.

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 People have made various claims over the years

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 but there is no one gene or set of genes

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 which in and of themselves make somebody gay.

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 An awful lot of research is being done

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 into the biological and genetic potential causes

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 towards homosexual attractions.

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 I think we should be prepared to accept as Christians

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 that there may well be biological and genetic factors

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 just as there would be, in fact, in every other part of our makeup.

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 So the way we look is affected by genes.

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 The temperament that we have can be affected by genes.

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 There is no reason to say that actually there can't be,

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 in some measure, some genetic factors

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 that may influence the development of same-sex attraction.

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 Now, some Christians have a real problem with that

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 because they say, oh, well, what does that mean?

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 Does that mean then that God makes people gay?

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 Well, no, absolutely not.

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 I don't think it means that at all.

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 We need to remember as Christians that we are born

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 into a fallen, broken world.

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 Not one of us here was born with a perfect set of genes.

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 Now, some of you are looking really surprised at this point.

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 I am sorry to disappoint you.

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 You were not born with a perfect set of genes.

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 Each of us are born into a fallen, sinful world.

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 What did David, the psalmist, say?

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 He said, surely I was sinful at birth.

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 Sinful from the time my mother conceived me.

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 So even if it were proved one day,

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 and personally I doubt that it ever will be,

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 but if it were proved that there is a gay gene,

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 that people are born with a fixed orientation,

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 that doesn't lead us to conclude that therefore God makes people gay.

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 It simply would be a reflection of the fact

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 that we are born into a fallen, broken world.

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 And in a fallen, broken world,

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 every aspect of who we are is impacted by the fall,

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 including our sexuality.

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 So for some people that will, if you like,

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 be visible in terms of the fact

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 that they are attracted to the same sex

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 rather than the opposite sex.

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 This is a quote here.

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 I don't know if you can read that.

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 I can read it out if that would be helpful.

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 But this is by a guy called Dr. Francis S. Collins.

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 He is head of the Human Genome Project.

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 So this is a guy who really knows

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 what he is talking about in this area.

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 And he is referring here to a study that was undertaken

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 of identical twins over in the USA.

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 Basically, this was where one of the twins

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 was predominantly or exclusively attracted

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 to those of the same sex.

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 What was the likelihood that the other twin

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 would also be predominantly or exclusively attracted

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 to those of the same sex?

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 And he concluded, having looked at this study

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 and finding that, in fact,

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 about 20% of the twins

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 were actually same-sex attracted.

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 And that was quite high

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 because it was compared to 4% of males

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 in the general population.

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 Indicating, he says,

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 that sexual orientation

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 is genetically influenced

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 but not hardwired by DNA.

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 And that whatever genes are involved

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 represent predispositions,

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 not predeterminations.

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 I think that's a really helpful phrase.

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 That phrase there,

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 not hardwired by DNA.

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 So it's not as simple as saying

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 people are born either go straight.

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 In fact, I want to challenge this evening

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 and I want us all to think about this,

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 challenge this whole concept

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 of a binary model, if you like,

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 of gay or straight

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 or possibly you'd have to add in a third

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 of bi, as some people would call themselves bi.

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 This whole idea that people have a fixed orientation

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 is actually a little bit of a myth.

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 Yes, it's true that most people,

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 I would imagine most people here,

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 if we look at it as a spectrum,

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 most people will be exclusively

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 or predominantly attracted

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 to those of the opposite sex.

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 There will be some people,

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 maybe even here,

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 who will be predominantly

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 or exclusively attracted

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 to the same sex,

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 a lot less people.

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 But actually there'll be some people

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 who will be somewhere in between.

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 And actually,

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 over our lifetimes,

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 our sexual attractions

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 can fluctuate as well.

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 So I know of a number of people

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 who in their teens

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 have had some experience

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 of same-sex attraction,

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 perhaps have developed a crush,

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 somebody of the same sex,

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 but actually they've got into

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 their twenties and beyond

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 and found that there's no hint

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 of same-sex desire.

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 That's actually just proved

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 to be a phase which has passed.

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 This is one of the reasons

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 I get really concerned

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 when there's pressure

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 on young people

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 to come out

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 and declare themselves to be gay.

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 And, you know,

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 in some schools

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 it's not uncommon, as I say,

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 for people in their early teens,

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 pre-teens even,

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 to come out and declare

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 that they're gay.

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 And I think that's far too soon

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 because it's not giving

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 young people an opportunity

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 to allow their sexuality

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 and their sexual attractions

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 to develop.

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 So it's not as simple as saying

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 that there is a gay gene,

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 but certainly we have to be open

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 to the fact that,

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 as with everything else,

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 our sexual attractions

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 can be influenced

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 by genetic biological factors.

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 Other factors would include

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 environmental factors.

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 So this is all to do, really,

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 with upbringing.

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 And what you find

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 that often people's views

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 get polarised, really,

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 between these two causes.

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 So it's what's often known

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 as the nature-nurture debate.

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 You've probably heard that

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 and it relates to a number

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 of other areas as well.

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 This argument as to whether

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 somebody is born gay

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 or whether their environment

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 and upbringing

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 makes somebody gay.

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 So, for example,

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 environmental factors

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 could include

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 maybe somebody going

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 to a same-sex school,

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 a same-sex boarding school.

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 Now, as it happens,

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 I went to a same-sex boarding school

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 from the age of 8 to 13.

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 And as I look back on that time,

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 I'm convinced personally

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 that that had quite an influence

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 in terms of how my own

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 sexual attractions developed.

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 Not least, I can remember,

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 this was in Oxford

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 where I was born and brought up.

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 And I remember on a Saturday morning

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 we were told

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 that we were allowed

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 to go out into Oxford

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 and look around the shops

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 after school,

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 would you believe,

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 on a Saturday morning,

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 horrendously.

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 We were allowed to go out

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 and look around the shops

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 and we had to go in a group

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 of a minimum of four boys

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 at the head.

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 And whatever you do,

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 whatever you do

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 under no circumstances,

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 talk to girls.

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 That was the instruction given.

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 So just remember,

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 this is now a group

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 of sort of pre-professant,

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 almost adolescent boys,

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 hormones raging

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 all over the place.

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 Don't direct any of that

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 towards girls.

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 That was the message

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 that was being given out.

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 And you can see

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 how that's an unhelpful start,

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 if you like,

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 to an adolescent.

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 Now, I cannot take

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 that experience,

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 and as I say,

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 there are lots of factors

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 which I think

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 played a part in my life,

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 but I can't take that

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 and say, well,

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 same-sex schools

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 clearly make people gay.

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 It's not as simple as that.

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 In fact,

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 most of the people

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 who went to that same school,

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 some of us here

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 maybe have been

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 to same-sex schools,

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 and it has no influence

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 at all

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 on how our sexual

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 attractions develop.

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 But certainly in my case,

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 I believe it did,

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 and it may well be a factor

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 for certain people.

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 Other factors,

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 for example,

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 I know of a number of people

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 who've grown up

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 in an all-female environment.

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 This is boys growing up

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 in an all-female environment,

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 or indeed girls

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 growing up

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 in an all-male environment.

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 That tends to happen

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 slightly less.

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 But if you take the example

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 of maybe a boy growing up

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 and dad has left,

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 and he's maybe got

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 a couple of sisters,

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 so it's mum

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 and a couple of sisters,

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 that's the only influence

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 he has in the home

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 as he grows up.

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 And for some people,

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 that seems then

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 to affect the way

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 that their sexual

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 attractions develop.

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 But again,

00:22:08.299 --> 00:22:09.180
 you've got to be very careful

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 because there are equally

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 as many people,

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 maybe even more people,

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 who have been born

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 into that situation

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 or find themselves

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 in that situation,

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 but who it's not

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 impacted their

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 sexual attractions

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 at all.

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 And then relational factors.

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 Now this is,

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 again,

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 a lot of this

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 is theory.

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 It's very difficult

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 to prove one way or another.

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 Research has been done

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 around this area,

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 but this is to do

00:22:32.019 --> 00:22:33.099
 now with relationships

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 mainly within the family,

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 but also with peer groups.

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 So for example,

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 there are some people

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 who are convinced

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 that not having

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 a very good relationship

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 with their same-sex parents

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 influences their sexuality.

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 So I've certainly,

00:22:46.700 --> 00:22:47.299
 within my work

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 in Truthroom Trust,

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 I've met a number of guys

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 who, for one reason or another,

00:22:51.679 --> 00:22:52.460
 have not had a great

00:22:52.460 --> 00:22:53.500
 relationship with dad,

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 and they seem to think

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 that that has influenced

00:22:57.279 --> 00:22:58.200
 the way that their

00:22:58.200 --> 00:22:59.019
 sexual attractions develop.

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 The same with girls

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 not having a very good

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 relationship with mum.

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 Very difficult to prove this.

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 Certainly it is quite

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 a recurring theme

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 amongst people

00:23:07.419 --> 00:23:08.519
 who struggle in this area.

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 But of course,

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 just because there's a link

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 doesn't mean there's necessarily

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:14.659
 that that's a cause.

00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:16.300
 Link doesn't necessarily

00:23:16.300 --> 00:23:17.160
 mean cause,

00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:18.180
 but it certainly does

00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:18.759
 seem to crop up.

00:23:18.820 --> 00:23:20.380
 One of my fears in this area

00:23:20.380 --> 00:23:22.000
 is that it can lead

00:23:22.000 --> 00:23:22.540
 to a sort of

00:23:22.540 --> 00:23:24.060
 blame-the-parents culture.

00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:25.480
 Oh, well, it's my dad's fault

00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:27.259
 because he wasn't there for me.

00:23:27.940 --> 00:23:28.900
 What we're saying is

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:30.060
 it could be a factor

00:23:30.060 --> 00:23:31.720
 for certain people,

00:23:31.940 --> 00:23:33.220
 but it's not meant then

00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:34.040
 to lead to blame

00:23:34.040 --> 00:23:34.259
 and say,

00:23:34.340 --> 00:23:35.460
 well, it's because of this

00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:37.380
 that this has impacted me.

00:23:37.660 --> 00:23:39.340
 Another area of relational factors

00:23:39.340 --> 00:23:40.880
 could be abuse.

00:23:41.100 --> 00:23:41.600
 I mean, I've known

00:23:41.600 --> 00:23:42.500
 of a number of people,

00:23:42.580 --> 00:23:42.920
 for example,

00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:44.000
 who've suffered abuse

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.359
 in their early years.

00:23:46.880 --> 00:23:47.740
 And you can imagine,

00:23:47.940 --> 00:23:48.299
 for example,

00:23:48.380 --> 00:23:49.079
 take, for example,

00:23:49.200 --> 00:23:50.240
 a woman who's maybe

00:23:50.240 --> 00:23:51.259
 been abused

00:23:51.259 --> 00:23:52.079
 by somebody

00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:53.220
 of the opposite sex.

00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:54.400
 You can imagine

00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:54.980
 how easily

00:23:54.980 --> 00:23:56.259
 that could lead to her

00:23:56.259 --> 00:23:57.359
 maybe growing up

00:23:57.359 --> 00:23:58.180
 almost hating

00:23:58.180 --> 00:23:59.019
 and fearing

00:23:59.019 --> 00:24:00.319
 the opposite sex.

00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:01.059
 And I've known

00:24:01.059 --> 00:24:01.839
 of a number of women

00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:02.279
 who've said to me,

00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:03.019
 like, it's actually,

00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:04.240
 I feel much safer

00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:05.519
 with another woman.

00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:06.079
 So in other words,

00:24:06.119 --> 00:24:06.759
 they've been driven

00:24:06.759 --> 00:24:07.819
 into the security

00:24:07.819 --> 00:24:09.359
 of a relationship

00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:10.099
 with another woman

00:24:10.099 --> 00:24:10.880
 because of that

00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:12.120
 early experience

00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:14.420
 with an abusive man.

00:24:14.820 --> 00:24:15.580
 I've known of women

00:24:15.580 --> 00:24:17.180
 in their later years

00:24:17.180 --> 00:24:17.580
 who have been

00:24:17.580 --> 00:24:18.420
 very happily married

00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:19.220
 and had children,

00:24:19.620 --> 00:24:20.280
 had no hint

00:24:20.280 --> 00:24:21.280
 of same-sex desire,

00:24:21.580 --> 00:24:22.740
 but then in their later years

00:24:22.740 --> 00:24:23.320
 have developed

00:24:23.320 --> 00:24:24.360
 same-sex attraction,

00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:25.100
 sometimes in their

00:24:25.100 --> 00:24:26.300
 40s and 50s.

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 Likewise,

00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.220
 that can happen too

00:24:28.220 --> 00:24:29.600
 with men.

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 So there are a number

00:24:30.700 --> 00:24:32.000
 of different factors

00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:33.180
 that can play a part.

00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:35.040
 One writer very helpfully

00:24:35.040 --> 00:24:35.400
 says this,

00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:36.020
 talking about this

00:24:36.020 --> 00:24:37.080
 multi-causation model.

00:24:37.140 --> 00:24:37.640
 This would mean

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 that the form

00:24:38.299 --> 00:24:39.220
 and strength

00:24:39.220 --> 00:24:39.980
 of each person's

00:24:39.980 --> 00:24:40.659
 same-sex desire

00:24:40.659 --> 00:24:41.500
 has a distinctive,

00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:43.500
 perhaps unique mix

00:24:43.500 --> 00:24:44.579
 of biological

00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:46.659
 and psychological factors

00:24:46.659 --> 00:24:47.480
 and it may be better

00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.159
 to speak of homosexualities

00:24:49.159 --> 00:24:50.799
 in the plural.

00:24:51.259 --> 00:24:51.859
 I hope you can see

00:24:51.859 --> 00:24:52.799
 the point that's being made there.

00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:53.700
 He's basically saying,

00:24:53.779 --> 00:24:53.899
 look,

00:24:54.159 --> 00:24:55.720
 each of us are unique.

00:24:56.379 --> 00:24:57.359
 We're knit together

00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:58.099
 in our mother's womb.

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 So different factors

00:24:59.579 --> 00:25:01.500
 are likely to influence

00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:02.500
 different people

00:25:02.500 --> 00:25:03.879
 in different ways.

00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:05.480
 So there is no one theory

00:25:05.480 --> 00:25:06.379
 that fits everybody.

00:25:06.500 --> 00:25:07.359
 You can't simply say,

00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:08.559
 this is what causes

00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.740
 somebody to be

00:25:09.740 --> 00:25:10.599
 same-sex attracted.

00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:12.139
 It is not as simple as that.

00:25:12.579 --> 00:25:13.959
 There are lots of different factors

00:25:13.959 --> 00:25:15.500
 that can contribute.

00:25:16.839 --> 00:25:17.099
 Okay,

00:25:17.159 --> 00:25:18.059
 you may come back

00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:19.799
 to that subject

00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:20.719
 in some of the questions

00:25:20.719 --> 00:25:22.519
 and pick things up from that.

00:25:22.579 --> 00:25:23.000
 But for now,

00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:24.399
 let's think secondly.

00:25:24.479 --> 00:25:25.559
 What does the Bible teach

00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:27.939
 about same-sex practice?

00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:29.679
 Well,

00:25:29.699 --> 00:25:30.279
 the first thing I think

00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:30.819
 I need to say

00:25:30.819 --> 00:25:31.679
 is that the Bible

00:25:31.679 --> 00:25:33.359
 does only ever speak

00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:35.279
 about same-sex practice.

00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:35.659
 Okay,

00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:36.800
 it never ever talks

00:25:36.800 --> 00:25:38.680
 in terms of orientation.

00:25:39.040 --> 00:25:40.019
 That simply is not

00:25:40.019 --> 00:25:41.840
 a biblical concept at all.

00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:43.560
 So there is no reference

00:25:43.560 --> 00:25:44.500
 in the Bible

00:25:44.500 --> 00:25:46.320
 to people being gay.

00:25:46.680 --> 00:25:47.519
 There's no reference

00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:48.220
 in the Bible actually

00:25:48.220 --> 00:25:49.360
 to people being straight

00:25:49.360 --> 00:25:50.680
 or bisexual.

00:25:50.820 --> 00:25:51.860
 That simply is not

00:25:51.860 --> 00:25:52.640
 a biblical concept.

00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:53.660
 The Bible only talks

00:25:53.660 --> 00:25:54.279
 in terms

00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:55.720
 of sexual practice

00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:56.540
 and it's basically

00:25:56.540 --> 00:25:58.480
 divided into two camps.

00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:00.000
 There is sexual practice

00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.180
 that is pleasing to God

00:26:01.180 --> 00:26:02.700
 and sexual practice

00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:04.340
 that is displeasing to God.

00:26:04.940 --> 00:26:05.580
 Sexual practice

00:26:05.580 --> 00:26:06.779
 that is pleasing to God

00:26:06.779 --> 00:26:07.900
 is sex

00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:08.980
 that takes place

00:26:08.980 --> 00:26:10.220
 within the context

00:26:10.220 --> 00:26:12.120
 of a heterosexual marriage

00:26:12.120 --> 00:26:13.220
 between one man

00:26:13.220 --> 00:26:14.279
 and one woman.

00:26:15.360 --> 00:26:15.920
 Sexual practice

00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:17.360
 that is displeasing to God

00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:18.980
 is any sex

00:26:18.980 --> 00:26:20.180
 that takes place

00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:21.560
 outside of that context.

00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:23.259
 That's the simplest way

00:26:23.259 --> 00:26:23.880
 that I can put it

00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:24.500
 to you this evening.

00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:25.519
 So there is not

00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:26.119
 this emphasis

00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:27.480
 in the Bible

00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.779
 on homosexual practice

00:26:29.779 --> 00:26:30.900
 as somehow being

00:26:30.900 --> 00:26:32.920
 the worst of the worst.

00:26:33.660 --> 00:26:35.019
 You may have picked up

00:26:35.019 --> 00:26:36.880
 over your past

00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:37.599
 in teaching

00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:37.960
 and so on

00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:38.819
 this word abomination.

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:39.559
 We'll talk about that

00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:40.119
 in a moment.

00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:41.819
 But I think sometimes

00:26:41.819 --> 00:26:42.339
 as Christians

00:26:42.339 --> 00:26:43.960
 we grow up

00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:44.460
 with this feeling

00:26:44.460 --> 00:26:45.940
 that homosexual practice

00:26:45.940 --> 00:26:46.579
 is somehow

00:26:46.579 --> 00:26:48.500
 the worst sin of all.

00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:49.240
 Some people say

00:26:49.240 --> 00:26:51.740
 is it the unforgivable sin?

00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.259
 And that's not at all

00:26:54.259 --> 00:26:55.279
 the emphasis

00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:55.819
 in the Bible.

00:26:55.879 --> 00:26:56.240
 The emphasis

00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:56.779
 in the Bible

00:26:56.779 --> 00:26:58.019
 is on God ruling out

00:26:58.019 --> 00:26:59.539
 any and all

00:26:59.539 --> 00:27:00.559
 sexual practice

00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:01.700
 that takes place

00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:04.140
 outside of heterosexual marriage.

00:27:04.700 --> 00:27:05.240
 So in fact

00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:06.619
 what the Bible

00:27:06.619 --> 00:27:07.559
 is concerned about

00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.019
 is the fact that

00:27:09.019 --> 00:27:10.319
 sex has been given

00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:10.819
 by God

00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:11.779
 as a good gift

00:27:11.779 --> 00:27:13.039
 to be enjoyed

00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:13.859
 exclusively

00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:15.319
 within marriage.

00:27:15.480 --> 00:27:16.299
 That's the emphasis

00:27:16.299 --> 00:27:17.400
 in the Bible.

00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:19.240
 I remember once

00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:20.599
 hearing a quote

00:27:20.599 --> 00:27:21.579
 from a woman

00:27:21.579 --> 00:27:22.759
 called Lynn Lavner.

00:27:23.299 --> 00:27:24.019
 Lynn Lavner

00:27:24.019 --> 00:27:25.839
 is an American

00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.019
 and she's a comedian.

00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.119
 She's a Jewish

00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:29.059
 lesbian comedian.

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:29.819
 You're probably not used

00:27:29.819 --> 00:27:30.379
 to hearing Jewish

00:27:30.379 --> 00:27:31.519
 lesbian comedians quoted.

00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:32.779
 You may wonder

00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:33.200
 what on earth

00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:33.619
 is he doing

00:27:33.619 --> 00:27:34.240
 reading that kind

00:27:34.240 --> 00:27:34.559
 of literature?

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:35.319
 Look, it's my job.

00:27:35.420 --> 00:27:36.299
 I read all kinds

00:27:36.299 --> 00:27:36.619
 of things.

00:27:36.700 --> 00:27:37.220
 I'm allowed to.

00:27:37.980 --> 00:27:38.519
 But Lynn Lavner

00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:39.039
 she's making

00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:40.819
 a tongue-in-cheek point here

00:27:40.819 --> 00:27:41.279
 but she actually

00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:42.379
 has a very serious point.

00:27:42.460 --> 00:27:43.099
 She says there are

00:27:43.099 --> 00:27:44.299
 six admonishments

00:27:44.299 --> 00:27:44.859
 in the Bible

00:27:44.859 --> 00:27:46.599
 to homosexual practice.

00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:47.460
 That's slightly debatable

00:27:47.460 --> 00:27:47.980
 but it's certainly

00:27:47.980 --> 00:27:48.700
 less than ten

00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:51.420
 and 362 admonishments

00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:54.860
 to heterosexual sin.

00:27:55.080 --> 00:27:55.799
 That doesn't mean

00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:56.420
 she says that God

00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:57.779
 doesn't love heterosexuals

00:27:57.779 --> 00:27:58.340
 it's just that they

00:27:58.340 --> 00:27:59.240
 need more supervision.

00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:01.880
 Now I like that comment.

00:28:01.980 --> 00:28:02.460
 You see the point

00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:02.920
 she's making?

00:28:03.019 --> 00:28:03.700
 She's just seeking

00:28:03.700 --> 00:28:04.400
 to redress

00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:05.700
 the balance.

00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:07.319
 So I want to suggest

00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:07.799
 to you this evening

00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:08.240
 that actually

00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:09.299
 one of the key verses

00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:10.799
 the key verse

00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:11.259
 in fact

00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:12.640
 on sexuality

00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:13.559
 is found

00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:14.720
 in Genesis 1-3.

00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:15.580
 Genesis 1-3

00:28:15.579 --> 00:28:16.559
 provide what we

00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:16.879
 could call

00:28:16.879 --> 00:28:17.579
 a foundation

00:28:17.579 --> 00:28:18.879
 for developing

00:28:18.879 --> 00:28:19.619
 a theology

00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:20.559
 of sexuality.

00:28:20.659 --> 00:28:20.919
 And I think

00:28:20.919 --> 00:28:21.519
 it's really important

00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:21.960
 when we're trying

00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:22.879
 to debate these issues

00:28:22.879 --> 00:28:23.720
 and maybe discuss

00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:24.419
 with friends

00:28:24.419 --> 00:28:26.119
 the Bible's teaching

00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:26.619
 on sexuality

00:28:26.619 --> 00:28:27.559
 that we don't just

00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:28.539
 run to these

00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:29.139
 half a dozen

00:28:29.139 --> 00:28:29.859
 or so verses

00:28:29.859 --> 00:28:30.879
 that mention

00:28:30.879 --> 00:28:31.699
 same-sex practice

00:28:31.699 --> 00:28:32.419
 but that we actually

00:28:32.419 --> 00:28:34.059
 speak from the

00:28:34.059 --> 00:28:35.179
 overall teaching

00:28:35.179 --> 00:28:35.699
 of the Bible

00:28:35.699 --> 00:28:36.419
 and that's why

00:28:36.419 --> 00:28:36.720
 I'm saying

00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:37.179
 that we need

00:28:37.179 --> 00:28:37.740
 to develop

00:28:37.740 --> 00:28:38.500
 what I call

00:28:38.500 --> 00:28:39.159
 a theology

00:28:39.159 --> 00:28:40.679
 of sexuality

00:28:40.679 --> 00:28:41.740
 so we understand

00:28:41.740 --> 00:28:42.579
 God's purpose

00:28:42.579 --> 00:28:43.599
 for sex

00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:44.480
 within the Bible.

00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:46.180
 And so the key

00:28:46.180 --> 00:28:46.819
 verse I suggest

00:28:46.819 --> 00:28:47.420
 to you this evening

00:28:47.420 --> 00:28:47.839
 is actually

00:28:47.839 --> 00:28:48.319
 this verse

00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:49.420
 in Genesis 2

00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:50.539
 verse 24

00:28:50.539 --> 00:28:51.120
 and I realise

00:28:51.120 --> 00:28:51.680
 here we're

00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:52.440
 jumping in

00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:52.880
 right at the end

00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:53.339
 of the creation

00:28:53.339 --> 00:28:53.860
 encounter

00:28:53.860 --> 00:28:54.380
 I don't really

00:28:54.380 --> 00:28:54.759
 have time

00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:55.140
 to go into

00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:55.519
 all of the

00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:55.799
 contents

00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:56.299
 I just

00:28:56.299 --> 00:28:57.059
 would ask

00:28:57.059 --> 00:28:57.799
 you to bear

00:28:57.799 --> 00:28:58.200
 with me

00:28:58.200 --> 00:28:58.759
 and to accept

00:28:58.759 --> 00:28:59.759
 that this is

00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:00.400
 a key verse

00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:00.819
 and you might

00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:01.259
 want to look

00:29:01.259 --> 00:29:01.900
 that up later

00:29:01.900 --> 00:29:02.599
 and do a little

00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:03.059
 bit of study

00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:03.700
 around it

00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:04.559
 but here if you

00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.019
 like is God's

00:29:06.019 --> 00:29:07.120
 declaration

00:29:07.120 --> 00:29:08.339
 invention

00:29:08.339 --> 00:29:10.059
 of marriage

00:29:10.059 --> 00:29:11.000
 here is his

00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:11.579
 definition

00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:12.059
 what we could

00:29:12.059 --> 00:29:12.880
 call a theological

00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:13.599
 definition

00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:15.059
 of marriage

00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:16.079
 and there are

00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:16.579
 three elements

00:29:16.579 --> 00:29:16.819
 to it

00:29:16.819 --> 00:29:17.159
 listen to

00:29:17.159 --> 00:29:17.639
 Genesis 2

00:29:17.639 --> 00:29:17.939
 24

00:29:17.939 --> 00:29:18.659
 therefore a man

00:29:18.659 --> 00:29:19.240
 shall leave

00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:19.740
 his father

00:29:19.740 --> 00:29:20.299
 and his mother

00:29:20.299 --> 00:29:21.359
 and hold

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:21.919
 fast to

00:29:21.919 --> 00:29:22.719
 or united to

00:29:22.719 --> 00:29:23.219
 some versions

00:29:23.219 --> 00:29:24.259
 say his wife

00:29:24.259 --> 00:29:25.179
 and they shall

00:29:25.179 --> 00:29:27.139
 become one flesh

00:29:27.139 --> 00:29:28.619
 notice then the

00:29:28.619 --> 00:29:29.240
 three elements

00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:29.819
 here's what

00:29:29.819 --> 00:29:31.519
 defines a marriage

00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:32.619
 theologically

00:29:32.619 --> 00:29:34.039
 firstly there is a

00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:34.959
 man leaving

00:29:34.959 --> 00:29:35.939
 his father and

00:29:35.939 --> 00:29:36.039
 mother

00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:36.559
 that means

00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:37.279
 leaving his

00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:38.139
 birth family

00:29:38.139 --> 00:29:39.079
 his own family

00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:40.039
 in order to

00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:40.819
 set up a new

00:29:40.819 --> 00:29:41.559
 family unit

00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:42.099
 so there's a

00:29:42.099 --> 00:29:42.460
 definite

00:29:42.460 --> 00:29:43.159
 transition

00:29:43.159 --> 00:29:43.720
 if you like

00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:44.000
 from his

00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:44.599
 own family

00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:45.379
 set up a

00:29:45.379 --> 00:29:45.960
 new family

00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:46.819
 there's then a

00:29:46.819 --> 00:29:47.879
 holding fast to

00:29:47.879 --> 00:29:49.000
 or a uniting to

00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:49.599
 his wife

00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:50.700
 so again that

00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:52.079
 suggests a

00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:52.639
 ceremony

00:29:52.639 --> 00:29:53.799
 something formal

00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:54.339
 not something

00:29:54.339 --> 00:29:54.980
 casual

00:29:54.980 --> 00:29:55.720
 not just we move

00:29:55.720 --> 00:29:55.980
 in

00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:56.539
 we're getting on

00:29:56.539 --> 00:29:57.079
 well let's live

00:29:57.079 --> 00:29:57.480
 together

00:29:57.480 --> 00:29:58.119
 no there's

00:29:58.119 --> 00:29:58.639
 something very

00:29:58.639 --> 00:29:59.000
 definite

00:29:59.000 --> 00:29:59.399
 there's a

00:29:59.399 --> 00:30:00.619
 uniting to

00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:01.500
 what the bible

00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:02.200
 will later call

00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:03.039
 marriage of course

00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:04.019
 and then you

00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:04.519
 notice

00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:05.559
 then and only

00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:06.159
 then they shall

00:30:06.159 --> 00:30:07.339
 become one

00:30:07.339 --> 00:30:07.740
 flesh

00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:08.240
 and there's the

00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:08.940
 reference to

00:30:08.940 --> 00:30:09.980
 sexual union

00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:10.500
 that one

00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:10.960
 flesh

00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:12.259
 sexual union

00:30:12.259 --> 00:30:12.700
 is meant

00:30:12.700 --> 00:30:13.240
 if you like

00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:14.180
 as the

00:30:14.180 --> 00:30:14.680
 cement

00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:15.920
 which God

00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:16.380
 uses

00:30:16.380 --> 00:30:17.740
 to deepen

00:30:17.740 --> 00:30:18.740
 and strengthen

00:30:18.740 --> 00:30:19.440
 a relationship

00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:20.420
 between a man

00:30:20.420 --> 00:30:21.860
 and his wife

00:30:21.860 --> 00:30:22.860
 now why do I

00:30:22.860 --> 00:30:23.500
 say that is a

00:30:23.500 --> 00:30:23.880
 key verse

00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:24.380
 well the reason

00:30:24.380 --> 00:30:24.799
 I say it's a

00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:25.120
 key verse

00:30:25.120 --> 00:30:25.640
 is because when

00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:26.000
 you get through

00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:26.500
 to the New

00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:26.900
 Testament

00:30:26.900 --> 00:30:28.000
 what you

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:28.480
 discover

00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:28.779
 and I've

00:30:28.779 --> 00:30:29.100
 given you

00:30:29.100 --> 00:30:29.880
 three references

00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:30.160
 there

00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:30.600
 and what you

00:30:30.600 --> 00:30:30.940
 discover

00:30:30.940 --> 00:30:31.259
 is that

00:30:31.259 --> 00:30:31.580
 actually

00:30:31.580 --> 00:30:32.180
 Genesis 2

00:30:32.180 --> 00:30:32.640
 24

00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.580
 is repeated

00:30:35.580 --> 00:30:37.320
 and reinforced

00:30:37.320 --> 00:30:38.360
 in the New

00:30:38.360 --> 00:30:38.759
 Testament

00:30:38.940 --> 00:30:39.279
 so for

00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:39.640
 example

00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:40.080
 Matthew

00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:41.180
 chapter 19

00:30:41.180 --> 00:30:43.120
 Jesus there

00:30:43.120 --> 00:30:43.440
 is being

00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:43.900
 questioned

00:30:43.900 --> 00:30:44.360
 by the

00:30:44.360 --> 00:30:44.820
 Pharisees

00:30:44.820 --> 00:30:45.080
 on the

00:30:45.080 --> 00:30:45.320
 subject

00:30:45.320 --> 00:30:46.100
 of divorce

00:30:46.100 --> 00:30:47.220
 and in

00:30:47.220 --> 00:30:47.580
 answering

00:30:47.580 --> 00:30:47.840
 that

00:30:47.840 --> 00:30:48.480
 question

00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:49.220
 Jesus

00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:50.000
 quotes

00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:50.840
 Genesis

00:30:50.840 --> 00:30:51.220
 2

00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:51.700
 24

00:30:51.700 --> 00:30:52.660
 word

00:30:52.660 --> 00:30:53.380
 for word

00:30:53.380 --> 00:30:54.480
 ok

00:30:54.480 --> 00:30:55.559
 thereby

00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:56.720
 reiterating

00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:57.820
 that marriage

00:30:57.820 --> 00:30:58.460
 is the only

00:30:58.460 --> 00:30:59.000
 place

00:30:59.000 --> 00:30:59.860
 for love

00:30:59.860 --> 00:31:00.400
 and attraction

00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:01.039
 to express

00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:01.600
 themselves

00:31:01.600 --> 00:31:02.380
 sexually

00:31:02.380 --> 00:31:03.320
 you'll find

00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:03.519
 that the

00:31:03.519 --> 00:31:04.380
 apostle Paul

00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:05.000
 in Ephesians

00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:05.539
 5

00:31:05.539 --> 00:31:06.320
 and 1

00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:06.620
 Corinthians

00:31:06.620 --> 00:31:07.000
 6

00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:07.700
 he also

00:31:07.700 --> 00:31:08.360
 quotes

00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:09.099
 Genesis

00:31:09.099 --> 00:31:09.639
 2

00:31:09.639 --> 00:31:10.500
 24

00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.639
 word

00:31:11.639 --> 00:31:12.339
 for word

00:31:12.339 --> 00:31:13.179
 and it

00:31:13.179 --> 00:31:13.500
 is a

00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:13.779
 really

00:31:13.779 --> 00:31:14.459
 sound

00:31:14.459 --> 00:31:15.000
 principle

00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:15.179
 of

00:31:15.179 --> 00:31:15.439
 biblical

00:31:15.439 --> 00:31:15.959
 interpretation

00:31:15.959 --> 00:31:16.599
 that when

00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:17.579
 New Testament

00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:18.240
 writers

00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:19.459
 bring forward

00:31:19.459 --> 00:31:20.759
 and reiterate

00:31:20.759 --> 00:31:21.500
 something from

00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:21.859
 the Old

00:31:21.859 --> 00:31:22.299
 Testament

00:31:22.299 --> 00:31:23.519
 that that

00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:24.000
 means it's

00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.479
 not something

00:31:24.479 --> 00:31:25.019
 we can simply

00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:25.779
 dismiss today

00:31:25.779 --> 00:31:26.379
 some would urge

00:31:26.379 --> 00:31:26.779
 us to do

00:31:26.779 --> 00:31:27.000
 and say

00:31:27.000 --> 00:31:27.619
 well it's

00:31:27.619 --> 00:31:28.599
 culturally irrelevant

00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:29.219
 things have

00:31:29.219 --> 00:31:30.119
 changed today

00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:30.759
 no

00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:31.119
 Genesis

00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:31.339
 2

00:31:31.339 --> 00:31:31.699
 24

00:31:31.699 --> 00:31:32.279
 was valid

00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:32.519
 in

00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:32.859
 Moses

00:31:32.859 --> 00:31:33.259
 day

00:31:33.259 --> 00:31:33.939
 it was

00:31:33.939 --> 00:31:34.419
 valid in

00:31:34.419 --> 00:31:34.699
 Jesus

00:31:34.699 --> 00:31:35.019
 and the

00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:35.379
 apostles

00:31:35.379 --> 00:31:35.819
 day

00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:36.480
 it's

00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:36.740
 valid

00:31:36.740 --> 00:31:36.899
 in

00:31:36.899 --> 00:31:37.139
 our

00:31:37.139 --> 00:31:37.379
 day

00:31:37.379 --> 00:31:37.559
 too

00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:37.799
 so I

00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:38.059
 like to

00:31:38.059 --> 00:31:38.259
 think

00:31:38.259 --> 00:31:38.399
 as

00:31:38.399 --> 00:31:38.659
 Genesis

00:31:38.659 --> 00:31:38.899
 2

00:31:38.899 --> 00:31:39.240
 24

00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:40.519
 rather like

00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:40.799
 if you

00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:41.119
 imagine

00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:41.879
 the Bible

00:31:41.879 --> 00:31:42.079
 here

00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:42.500
 and Genesis

00:31:42.500 --> 00:31:42.679
 2

00:31:42.679 --> 00:31:42.879
 24

00:31:42.879 --> 00:31:43.299
 is like

00:31:43.299 --> 00:31:43.779
 a thread

00:31:43.779 --> 00:31:44.439
 that you

00:31:44.439 --> 00:31:44.879
 can pull

00:31:44.879 --> 00:31:45.639
 right the way

00:31:45.639 --> 00:31:45.980
 through the

00:31:45.980 --> 00:31:46.220
 Bible

00:31:46.220 --> 00:31:46.839
 beginning in

00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:47.179
 Genesis

00:31:47.179 --> 00:31:48.319
 right the way

00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:48.639
 through the

00:31:48.639 --> 00:31:49.019
 Old Testament

00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:49.740
 through Leviticus

00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:50.220
 where you have

00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:51.099
 an awful lot

00:31:51.099 --> 00:31:51.559
 of teaching

00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:52.619
 on sexuality

00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:53.480
 and right the way

00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:54.019
 through to the

00:31:54.019 --> 00:31:54.619
 New Testament

00:31:54.619 --> 00:31:56.700
 where

00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:58.000
 when you come to

00:31:58.000 --> 00:31:58.419
 the New Testament

00:31:58.419 --> 00:31:58.939
 you come across

00:31:58.939 --> 00:31:59.559
 this word

00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:00.399
 this term

00:32:00.399 --> 00:32:01.559
 sexual immorality

00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:03.099
 and sexual

00:32:03.099 --> 00:32:03.619
 immorality

00:32:03.619 --> 00:32:04.579
 is actually

00:32:04.579 --> 00:32:05.759
 a translation

00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:06.559
 of the Greek

00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:06.980
 word

00:32:06.980 --> 00:32:07.819
 porneia

00:32:07.819 --> 00:32:08.539
 porneia

00:32:08.539 --> 00:32:09.200
 and porneia

00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:09.879
 in the Greek

00:32:09.879 --> 00:32:11.139
 really carries

00:32:11.139 --> 00:32:11.579
 with it the

00:32:11.579 --> 00:32:12.299
 meaning of

00:32:12.299 --> 00:32:13.379
 any sex

00:32:13.379 --> 00:32:14.819
 outside of

00:32:14.819 --> 00:32:15.359
 heterosexual

00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:15.679
 marriage

00:32:15.679 --> 00:32:16.220
 that's really

00:32:16.220 --> 00:32:17.139
 what's behind

00:32:17.139 --> 00:32:17.759
 that word

00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:18.279
 porneia

00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.000
 so porneia

00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:20.639
 for example

00:32:20.639 --> 00:32:21.279
 would include

00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:21.859
 incest

00:32:21.859 --> 00:32:22.559
 it would include

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:23.480
 prostitution

00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:24.819
 it would include

00:32:24.819 --> 00:32:25.720
 lust

00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:26.659
 it would include

00:32:26.659 --> 00:32:27.759
 same sex practice

00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:28.599
 it would include

00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:29.679
 adultery

00:32:29.679 --> 00:32:30.740
 sometimes people say

00:32:30.740 --> 00:32:31.460
 well Jesus never

00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:32.440
 talked about

00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:33.259
 gay people

00:32:33.259 --> 00:32:34.039
 he never mentioned

00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:34.860
 homosexuality

00:32:34.860 --> 00:32:35.319
 well that's not

00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:36.079
 strictly true

00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:36.980
 because if you look

00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:37.960
 at Matthew 7

00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:38.700
 for example

00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:40.799
 Jesus is talking

00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:41.319
 there about

00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:42.519
 things that come

00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:43.460
 out of our hearts

00:32:43.460 --> 00:32:44.079
 that make us

00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:44.720
 unclean

00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:45.319
 impure

00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:46.740
 and Jesus

00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:48.640
 in speaking

00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:50.140
 from Mark 7

00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:51.680
 uses that term

00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:52.519
 porneia

00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.140
 and any first century

00:32:54.140 --> 00:32:54.360
 Jew

00:32:54.360 --> 00:32:54.920
 hearing Jesus

00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:55.880
 use that word

00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:56.640
 would have understood

00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.759
 him to be meaning

00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:58.779
 all sex

00:32:58.779 --> 00:32:59.960
 outside of

00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:00.660
 heterosexual marriage

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:01.259
 whether that be

00:33:01.259 --> 00:33:01.920
 same sex

00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:03.560
 or opposite sex

00:33:03.560 --> 00:33:05.180
 so Genesis 2

00:33:05.180 --> 00:33:05.540
 24

00:33:05.540 --> 00:33:06.500
 I suggest to you

00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:07.860
 is the key verse

00:33:07.860 --> 00:33:09.000
 that's our foundation

00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:10.080
 and what I want to do

00:33:10.080 --> 00:33:10.820
 then is just look at

00:33:10.820 --> 00:33:11.720
 two of the specific

00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:11.920
 references

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:12.500
 we're not going to

00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:13.259
 look at every single

00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:13.940
 one of the references

00:33:13.940 --> 00:33:14.420
 that mention

00:33:14.420 --> 00:33:15.200
 same sex practice

00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:15.840
 I'm just going to

00:33:15.840 --> 00:33:16.560
 take two as an

00:33:16.560 --> 00:33:17.100
 example

00:33:17.100 --> 00:33:22.720
 and the first is

00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:23.620
 Leviticus 18

00:33:23.620 --> 00:33:24.580
 verse 22

00:33:24.580 --> 00:33:26.060
 now this is the one

00:33:26.060 --> 00:33:26.580
 which of course

00:33:26.580 --> 00:33:27.380
 is familiar to many

00:33:27.380 --> 00:33:27.780
 people

00:33:27.780 --> 00:33:29.260
 you shall not

00:33:29.260 --> 00:33:30.240
 lie with a man

00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:30.800
 as with a woman

00:33:30.800 --> 00:33:32.140
 it is an

00:33:32.140 --> 00:33:33.220
 abomination

00:33:33.220 --> 00:33:35.120
 and I don't know

00:33:35.120 --> 00:33:35.360
 about you

00:33:35.360 --> 00:33:36.600
 but I find that

00:33:36.600 --> 00:33:37.320
 sometimes this is

00:33:37.320 --> 00:33:37.860
 the phrase

00:33:37.860 --> 00:33:38.580
 that is latched

00:33:38.580 --> 00:33:39.800
 onto by some

00:33:39.800 --> 00:33:40.140
 Christians

00:33:40.140 --> 00:33:41.460
 certainly this is

00:33:41.460 --> 00:33:42.220
 when you're talking

00:33:42.220 --> 00:33:42.980
 to people maybe

00:33:42.980 --> 00:33:43.560
 who are outside

00:33:43.560 --> 00:33:43.980
 of the church

00:33:43.980 --> 00:33:44.780
 those who identify

00:33:44.780 --> 00:33:45.560
 as gay

00:33:45.560 --> 00:33:47.120
 this is maybe

00:33:47.120 --> 00:33:47.820
 what they have

00:33:47.820 --> 00:33:49.020
 heard in the past

00:33:49.020 --> 00:33:50.560
 and this thought

00:33:50.560 --> 00:33:52.120
 that homosexuality

00:33:52.120 --> 00:33:52.660
 is an abomination

00:33:52.660 --> 00:33:53.200
 and therefore

00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:54.160
 it gives the impression

00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:54.820
 that we're saying

00:33:54.819 --> 00:33:55.399
 that actually

00:33:55.399 --> 00:33:57.059
 it's the worst

00:33:57.059 --> 00:33:57.939
 of the worst

00:33:57.939 --> 00:33:58.819
 but I want to

00:33:58.819 --> 00:33:59.439
 issue a little

00:33:59.439 --> 00:34:00.480
 challenge to you

00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:01.079
 this evening

00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:02.179
 I want to suggest

00:34:02.179 --> 00:34:03.099
 that after tonight

00:34:03.099 --> 00:34:03.720
 at some stage

00:34:03.720 --> 00:34:04.379
 you go home

00:34:04.379 --> 00:34:05.579
 and you do a little

00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:07.119
 concordance search

00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:08.299
 of that word

00:34:08.299 --> 00:34:08.759
 abomination

00:34:08.759 --> 00:34:09.679
 or if you're using

00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:10.219
 the NIV

00:34:10.219 --> 00:34:11.000
 it will probably

00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:11.579
 be translated

00:34:11.579 --> 00:34:12.340
 detestable

00:34:12.340 --> 00:34:13.519
 so detestable

00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:14.159
 or an abomination

00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:15.159
 do a little word

00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:15.699
 search

00:34:15.699 --> 00:34:16.840
 and see what

00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:17.759
 you come up with

00:34:17.759 --> 00:34:18.960
 you might be

00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:19.699
 quite surprised

00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:20.340
 so for example

00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:21.059
 there are a number

00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:22.579
 of different verses

00:34:22.579 --> 00:34:23.480
 in Proverbs

00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:24.880
 that suggests

00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:25.460
 that things

00:34:25.460 --> 00:34:26.340
 such as lying

00:34:26.340 --> 00:34:27.559
 are an abomination

00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:28.400
 to God

00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:30.299
 haughty eyes

00:34:30.299 --> 00:34:31.719
 that is proud eyes

00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:32.440
 eyes that look down

00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:33.299
 upon other people

00:34:33.299 --> 00:34:34.880
 gay people perhaps

00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.279
 that's an abomination

00:34:36.279 --> 00:34:37.019
 to God

00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:38.019
 there's a verse

00:34:38.019 --> 00:34:38.480
 in Proverbs

00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:39.299
 that says that

00:34:39.299 --> 00:34:40.400
 anyone who

00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:41.639
 turns a deaf ear

00:34:41.639 --> 00:34:42.199
 to God's words

00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:42.599
 in other words

00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:43.259
 you read something

00:34:43.259 --> 00:34:43.900
 in the Bible

00:34:43.900 --> 00:34:44.819
 and you think

00:34:44.819 --> 00:34:45.739
 oh dear that's a bit tough

00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:46.119
 I'll tell you what

00:34:46.119 --> 00:34:46.840
 I'll give that a miss

00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:47.420
 and I'll have a time

00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:48.159
 of prayer instead

00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:49.719
 and then praise

00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.340
 says this verse

00:34:51.340 --> 00:34:52.539
 their prayers

00:34:52.539 --> 00:34:53.320
 are an abomination

00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:53.960
 to God

00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:55.380
 isn't that quite scary

00:34:55.380 --> 00:34:56.100
 none of us

00:34:56.100 --> 00:34:56.820
 have ever done that

00:34:56.820 --> 00:34:57.240
 before

00:34:57.240 --> 00:34:59.000
 dodgy weighing scales

00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:00.579
 are an abomination

00:35:00.579 --> 00:35:01.120
 to God

00:35:01.120 --> 00:35:02.280
 dodgy weighing scales

00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:02.820
 some of you are

00:35:02.820 --> 00:35:03.740
 looking really worried

00:35:03.740 --> 00:35:03.900
 now

00:35:03.900 --> 00:35:04.960
 it's not bathroom scales

00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:05.500
 don't worry

00:35:05.500 --> 00:35:07.260
 we're talking here

00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:08.100
 weights and measures

00:35:08.100 --> 00:35:09.559
 just for the sake

00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:10.079
 of clarity

00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:11.260
 but you see

00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:11.960
 the important point

00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:12.559
 the important point

00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:13.160
 is we mustn't

00:35:13.160 --> 00:35:14.039
 get carried away

00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:15.059
 and some Christians

00:35:15.059 --> 00:35:15.960
 I think in the past

00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:17.340
 have got really

00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:18.000
 carried away

00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:18.820
 and they sort of

00:35:18.820 --> 00:35:19.460
 zoom in on this

00:35:19.460 --> 00:35:20.079
 word abomination

00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:21.099
 and particularly

00:35:21.099 --> 00:35:21.799
 if we're using

00:35:21.799 --> 00:35:22.639
 it selectively

00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:23.759
 to apply to

00:35:23.759 --> 00:35:24.619
 one particular sin

00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:25.199
 whereas in fact

00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:25.799
 the Bible

00:35:25.799 --> 00:35:26.960
 would apply it

00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:27.860
 to all kinds

00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:28.179
 of sins

00:35:28.179 --> 00:35:28.539
 as I say

00:35:28.539 --> 00:35:29.059
 I issue that

00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:29.380
 challenge

00:35:29.380 --> 00:35:29.840
 just to have a

00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:30.719
 little search

00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:31.380
 through Proverbs

00:35:31.380 --> 00:35:32.480
 and to dwell

00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:33.179
 on some of those

00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:34.420
 verses in there

00:35:34.420 --> 00:35:35.019
 now of course

00:35:35.019 --> 00:35:35.699
 the other argument

00:35:35.699 --> 00:35:36.559
 about a verse

00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:37.239
 like Leviticus

00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:38.739
 and this is an

00:35:38.739 --> 00:35:39.199
 argument that's

00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:39.920
 often put to me

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:40.380
 is well look

00:35:40.380 --> 00:35:41.319
 you Christians

00:35:41.319 --> 00:35:42.139
 it's all very well

00:35:42.139 --> 00:35:43.519
 but you're selective

00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:45.219
 with the way you

00:35:45.219 --> 00:35:46.079
 treat the Old Testament

00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:46.639
 so you take

00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:47.239
 certain things

00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:47.719
 from Leviticus

00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:48.039
 and you say

00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:48.639
 well that applies

00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:49.179
 today

00:35:49.179 --> 00:35:50.239
 but then other

00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:51.239
 things you say

00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:51.639
 well no that

00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:52.139
 doesn't apply

00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:52.419
 today

00:35:52.419 --> 00:35:53.299
 so for example

00:35:53.299 --> 00:35:54.899
 most Christians

00:35:54.899 --> 00:35:55.619
 I know

00:35:55.619 --> 00:35:56.219
 would be quite

00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:56.879
 happy eating

00:35:56.879 --> 00:35:57.960
 a BLT sandwich

00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:58.460
 or a packet

00:35:58.460 --> 00:35:59.139
 of prawn cocktail

00:35:59.139 --> 00:35:59.480
 crisps

00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:00.139
 but what about

00:36:00.139 --> 00:36:00.599
 the teaching

00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:01.079
 in Leviticus

00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:01.519
 that says

00:36:01.519 --> 00:36:02.139
 we shouldn't

00:36:02.139 --> 00:36:02.679
 eat pork

00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:03.139
 and we shouldn't

00:36:03.139 --> 00:36:03.960
 eat shellfish

00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:05.199
 now how do we

00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.279
 sort of bring

00:36:07.279 --> 00:36:07.879
 those two things

00:36:07.879 --> 00:36:08.699
 together and reconcile

00:36:08.699 --> 00:36:09.079
 them

00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:09.839
 well what about

00:36:09.839 --> 00:36:10.419
 that verse

00:36:10.419 --> 00:36:12.639
 in Leviticus

00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:13.219
 that talks about

00:36:13.219 --> 00:36:13.799
 not wearing

00:36:13.799 --> 00:36:14.460
 clothing

00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:15.759
 made of mixed

00:36:15.759 --> 00:36:16.139
 fibers

00:36:16.139 --> 00:36:16.599
 we could do

00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:17.399
 a little exercise

00:36:17.399 --> 00:36:18.159
 tonight and check

00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:18.779
 each other's labels

00:36:18.779 --> 00:36:19.159
 we won't

00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:19.480
 it will get

00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:20.319
 very embarrassing

00:36:20.319 --> 00:36:20.699
 we're not going

00:36:20.699 --> 00:36:21.119
 to do it

00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:21.839
 but you know

00:36:21.839 --> 00:36:22.960
 why isn't the church

00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:23.639
 speaking out about

00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:24.519
 the abomination

00:36:24.519 --> 00:36:25.699
 of polycotton shirts

00:36:25.699 --> 00:36:28.000
 now again

00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:29.079
 it can make us smile

00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:29.659
 but actually it's a

00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:30.379
 very serious point

00:36:30.379 --> 00:36:31.440
 how do we argue this

00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:32.079
 how do we answer

00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:32.920
 that kind of question

00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:33.960
 well the great news

00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:34.480
 is that actually

00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:35.379
 Jesus hasn't left

00:36:35.379 --> 00:36:36.199
 us in the dark

00:36:36.199 --> 00:36:38.139
 he's made it very clear

00:36:38.139 --> 00:36:39.460
 how we're to interpret

00:36:39.460 --> 00:36:40.179
 the Old Testament

00:36:40.179 --> 00:36:41.739
 in the Sermon on the Mount

00:36:41.739 --> 00:36:42.460
 Jesus says

00:36:42.460 --> 00:36:43.359
 I've not come

00:36:43.359 --> 00:36:44.899
 to abolish the law

00:36:44.899 --> 00:36:46.079
 so he's not come

00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:47.059
 simply to dismiss it

00:36:47.059 --> 00:36:48.019
 but he has come

00:36:48.019 --> 00:36:48.420
 he says

00:36:48.420 --> 00:36:49.799
 to fulfill it

00:36:49.799 --> 00:36:51.159
 that means to complete it

00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:52.539
 to fill it up

00:36:52.539 --> 00:36:53.259
 we could say

00:36:53.259 --> 00:36:54.639
 so surely when we're

00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:55.579
 deciding which of the

00:36:55.579 --> 00:36:56.219
 Old Testament laws

00:36:56.219 --> 00:36:57.320
 no longer apply

00:36:57.320 --> 00:36:58.279
 to God's people

00:36:58.279 --> 00:36:59.239
 Christian people

00:36:59.239 --> 00:36:59.679
 today

00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:01.599
 we have to consider

00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:02.659
 which of them

00:37:02.659 --> 00:37:04.279
 Jesus has fulfilled

00:37:04.279 --> 00:37:05.159
 through his coming

00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:05.940
 into the world

00:37:05.940 --> 00:37:07.239
 and his death

00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:08.539
 on the cross

00:37:08.539 --> 00:37:09.739
 that's the basis

00:37:09.739 --> 00:37:10.679
 so let me give you

00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:11.099
 an example

00:37:11.099 --> 00:37:12.239
 on that basis

00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:13.679
 we can say

00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:14.340
 with confidence

00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:15.079
 that none of the

00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:16.159
 sacrificial laws

00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:17.380
 have to be followed

00:37:17.380 --> 00:37:18.579
 by Christians today

00:37:18.579 --> 00:37:19.259
 I mean I didn't see

00:37:19.259 --> 00:37:20.659
 anybody sacrificing

00:37:20.659 --> 00:37:21.460
 a pigeon or anything

00:37:21.460 --> 00:37:22.059
 as you came through

00:37:22.059 --> 00:37:22.639
 the door today

00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:23.880
 to make yourself clean

00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:25.319
 why don't we do that

00:37:25.319 --> 00:37:26.219
 well we don't do that

00:37:26.219 --> 00:37:26.819
 because the writer

00:37:26.819 --> 00:37:28.139
 of Hebrews tells us

00:37:28.139 --> 00:37:29.539
 Christ died

00:37:29.539 --> 00:37:31.319
 once for all

00:37:31.319 --> 00:37:32.380
 it's not that Jesus

00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:33.679
 has abolished the law

00:37:33.679 --> 00:37:35.199
 he has fulfilled it

00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:36.179
 he is the fulfillment

00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:36.960
 of all of that

00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:38.259
 Old Testament teaching

00:37:38.259 --> 00:37:39.299
 on sacrifice and ritual

00:37:39.299 --> 00:37:40.579
 so actually now

00:37:40.579 --> 00:37:41.360
 as Christians

00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.140
 we have the freedom

00:37:43.140 --> 00:37:44.120
 to come to God

00:37:44.120 --> 00:37:45.700
 directly through Christ

00:37:45.700 --> 00:37:46.720
 we don't have to

00:37:46.720 --> 00:37:47.660
 make sacrifices

00:37:47.660 --> 00:37:49.240
 another example

00:37:49.240 --> 00:37:50.019
 on that basis

00:37:50.019 --> 00:37:51.500
 we know that we can

00:37:51.500 --> 00:37:52.280
 with confidence

00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.539
 eat a BLT sandwich

00:37:54.539 --> 00:37:55.320
 or prawn cocktail

00:37:55.320 --> 00:37:55.559
 crisper

00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:56.300
 whatever it is

00:37:56.300 --> 00:37:57.220
 we might like

00:37:57.220 --> 00:37:58.640
 how do we know that

00:37:58.640 --> 00:37:59.160
 well because

00:37:59.160 --> 00:38:00.599
 Mark 7 verse 19

00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:02.160
 Jesus declared

00:38:02.160 --> 00:38:03.640
 all foods clean

00:38:03.640 --> 00:38:04.160
 ok

00:38:04.160 --> 00:38:05.000
 so that's the basis

00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:05.860
 on which we interpret

00:38:05.860 --> 00:38:06.420
 the Old Testament

00:38:06.420 --> 00:38:07.360
 but

00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:09.539
 I would challenge

00:38:09.539 --> 00:38:10.160
 anybody

00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:11.079
 to find anywhere

00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:11.820
 in the New Testament

00:38:11.820 --> 00:38:13.420
 where Jesus now declares

00:38:13.420 --> 00:38:15.039
 all sexual practices

00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:15.539
 now clean

00:38:15.539 --> 00:38:16.640
 look through the Gospels

00:38:16.640 --> 00:38:18.420
 it simply isn't there

00:38:18.420 --> 00:38:19.340
 in fact

00:38:19.340 --> 00:38:20.780
 in all of the teaching

00:38:20.780 --> 00:38:21.620
 in the Old Testament

00:38:21.620 --> 00:38:23.760
 everything that Jesus teaches

00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:24.800
 everything that the Apostles

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:25.160
 teaches

00:38:25.160 --> 00:38:26.460
 it backs up

00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:27.680
 everything that's taught

00:38:27.680 --> 00:38:28.300
 in the Old Testament

00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:29.059
 so it backs up

00:38:29.059 --> 00:38:30.519
 that Genesis 2.24 principle

00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:31.780
 it backs up

00:38:31.780 --> 00:38:32.519
 the Levitical

00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:33.760
 holiness code

00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:34.200
 if you like

00:38:34.200 --> 00:38:34.579
 which is

00:38:34.579 --> 00:38:36.400
 the way that

00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:37.000
 God's people

00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.180
 were to be holy

00:38:38.180 --> 00:38:38.980
 and one of the ways

00:38:38.980 --> 00:38:39.700
 in which God's people

00:38:39.700 --> 00:38:40.300
 are to be holy

00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:42.360
 is through sexual morality

00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:43.559
 and that's not been

00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.180
 fulfilled if you like

00:38:45.180 --> 00:38:45.980
 by Christ

00:38:45.980 --> 00:38:46.840
 because actually

00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:47.680
 Jesus teaches

00:38:47.680 --> 00:38:48.800
 his Apostles teach

00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:49.780
 that today

00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:51.500
 we are to flee

00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:52.639
 from sexual immorality

00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:53.579
 we're to avoid

00:38:53.579 --> 00:38:55.400
 sexual immorality

00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:56.280
 so I hope that just

00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:57.019
 helps a little bit

00:38:57.019 --> 00:38:57.680
 maybe when we're

00:38:57.680 --> 00:38:59.059
 discussing these issues

00:38:59.059 --> 00:38:59.820
 with friends

00:38:59.820 --> 00:39:00.740
 so that's one

00:39:00.740 --> 00:39:01.260
 from the Old Testament

00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:02.099
 let's just take one

00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:03.420
 from the New Testament

00:39:03.420 --> 00:39:04.599
 this is a passage

00:39:04.599 --> 00:39:05.099
 we looked at

00:39:05.099 --> 00:39:06.180
 in some detail

00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:07.419
 this morning

00:39:07.419 --> 00:39:07.779
 and I don't want

00:39:07.779 --> 00:39:08.219
 to look at it

00:39:08.219 --> 00:39:09.339
 in detail now

00:39:09.339 --> 00:39:10.139
 and I think

00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:10.659
 that will be

00:39:10.659 --> 00:39:12.159
 on the Karaglion

00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:12.819
 website

00:39:12.819 --> 00:39:13.079
 will it

00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:13.639
 at some stage

00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:14.059
 so if you want

00:39:14.059 --> 00:39:14.639
 to hear a little bit

00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:15.179
 more about this

00:39:15.179 --> 00:39:15.619
 I just want to

00:39:15.619 --> 00:39:16.219
 very briefly

00:39:16.219 --> 00:39:16.899
 touch on it

00:39:16.899 --> 00:39:18.519
 a couple of things

00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:19.159
 firstly I want you

00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:19.659
 to notice

00:39:19.659 --> 00:39:21.839
 that same-sex

00:39:21.839 --> 00:39:22.639
 practice here

00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:24.419
 this is the ESV

00:39:24.419 --> 00:39:24.779
 version

00:39:24.779 --> 00:39:25.879
 and it's a paraphrase

00:39:25.879 --> 00:39:26.539
 men who practice

00:39:26.539 --> 00:39:27.500
 homosexuality

00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:28.399
 and there's a little

00:39:28.399 --> 00:39:29.659
 bit on this morning's

00:39:29.659 --> 00:39:30.519
 teaching about

00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:32.559
 the two words

00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:32.879
 that have been

00:39:32.879 --> 00:39:33.779
 translated there

00:39:33.779 --> 00:39:34.519
 a paraphrase

00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:35.039
 men who practice

00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:35.919
 homosexuality

00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:36.720
 but I want you

00:39:36.720 --> 00:39:37.099
 to notice

00:39:37.099 --> 00:39:37.619
 that that is

00:39:37.619 --> 00:39:39.000
 listed alongside

00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:39.880
 a number of

00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:41.099
 other sinful

00:39:41.099 --> 00:39:41.639
 practices

00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:42.579
 and Paul is not

00:39:42.579 --> 00:39:43.159
 highlighting

00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:44.180
 men who practice

00:39:44.180 --> 00:39:44.780
 homosexuality

00:39:44.780 --> 00:39:45.240
 and saying it's

00:39:45.240 --> 00:39:45.639
 worse

00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:46.539
 he's actually

00:39:46.539 --> 00:39:47.380
 listing it

00:39:47.380 --> 00:39:47.820
 alongside

00:39:47.820 --> 00:39:49.059
 things such as

00:39:49.059 --> 00:39:49.559
 greed

00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.880
 and drunkenness

00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:53.059
 reviling

00:39:53.059 --> 00:39:53.980
 or slandering

00:39:53.980 --> 00:39:54.800
 they're all listed

00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:56.200
 there as marks

00:39:56.200 --> 00:39:56.900
 if you like

00:39:56.900 --> 00:39:57.920
 this is those

00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:58.720
 who continuously

00:39:58.720 --> 00:39:59.380
 and consistently

00:39:59.380 --> 00:40:00.099
 live in these

00:40:00.099 --> 00:40:00.920
 kinds of ways

00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:01.539
 these are the

00:40:01.539 --> 00:40:02.579
 marks that they're

00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:03.159
 going to display

00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:03.659
 but the main

00:40:03.659 --> 00:40:03.980
 thing I want

00:40:03.980 --> 00:40:04.359
 you to notice

00:40:04.359 --> 00:40:04.759
 from this

00:40:04.759 --> 00:40:05.219
 passage

00:40:05.219 --> 00:40:06.279
 is actually

00:40:06.279 --> 00:40:06.839
 that there's

00:40:06.839 --> 00:40:07.339
 a great

00:40:07.339 --> 00:40:08.579
 challenge

00:40:08.579 --> 00:40:09.059
 and a great

00:40:09.059 --> 00:40:09.559
 message of

00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:10.019
 hope in

00:40:10.019 --> 00:40:10.279
 that

00:40:10.279 --> 00:40:11.379
 because having

00:40:11.379 --> 00:40:11.940
 listed these

00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:13.500
 various sinful

00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:13.960
 behaviours

00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:14.500
 look what Paul

00:40:14.500 --> 00:40:14.739
 says

00:40:14.739 --> 00:40:15.199
 this is in

00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:15.819
 verse 11

00:40:15.819 --> 00:40:16.699
 he says

00:40:16.699 --> 00:40:17.500
 and such

00:40:17.500 --> 00:40:18.440
 were some

00:40:18.440 --> 00:40:18.980
 of you

00:40:18.980 --> 00:40:19.879
 now remember

00:40:19.879 --> 00:40:20.339
 he's writing

00:40:20.339 --> 00:40:20.659
 here to

00:40:20.659 --> 00:40:21.379
 Christian people

00:40:21.379 --> 00:40:21.839
 not to the

00:40:21.839 --> 00:40:22.000
 world

00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:22.319
 but to

00:40:22.319 --> 00:40:22.839
 Christians

00:40:22.839 --> 00:40:23.619
 another

00:40:23.619 --> 00:40:24.159
 translation

00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:24.659
 puts it

00:40:24.659 --> 00:40:25.119
 some of

00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:25.899
 you once

00:40:25.899 --> 00:40:26.500
 lived this

00:40:26.500 --> 00:40:26.980
 way

00:40:26.980 --> 00:40:28.420
 but he

00:40:28.420 --> 00:40:28.820
 says

00:40:28.820 --> 00:40:29.760
 you were

00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:30.260
 washed

00:40:30.260 --> 00:40:31.139
 that is

00:40:31.139 --> 00:40:31.599
 made clean

00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:32.199
 sanctified

00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:32.960
 made holy

00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:33.699
 justified

00:40:33.699 --> 00:40:34.780
 brought into

00:40:34.780 --> 00:40:35.280
 a right

00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:35.740
 relationship

00:40:35.740 --> 00:40:36.320
 with God

00:40:36.320 --> 00:40:37.039
 in the name

00:40:37.039 --> 00:40:37.420
 of the Lord

00:40:37.420 --> 00:40:38.199
 Jesus Christ

00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:39.179
 and by the

00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:39.579
 spirit

00:40:39.579 --> 00:40:41.360
 of our God

00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:42.380
 so Paul

00:40:42.380 --> 00:40:42.760
 is saying

00:40:42.760 --> 00:40:43.159
 that actually

00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:43.679
 look in the

00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:44.219
 church in

00:40:44.219 --> 00:40:44.599
 Corinth

00:40:44.599 --> 00:40:46.860
 nearly 2,000

00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:47.679
 years ago

00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:48.059
 there were

00:40:48.059 --> 00:40:48.619
 Christians

00:40:48.619 --> 00:40:49.159
 who had come

00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:49.740
 from all of

00:40:49.740 --> 00:40:50.240
 these kinds

00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:50.679
 of backgrounds

00:40:50.679 --> 00:40:51.260
 including

00:40:51.260 --> 00:40:52.860
 some who

00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:53.280
 had been

00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:53.920
 practising

00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:55.119
 homosexuality

00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:55.940
 but they're

00:40:55.940 --> 00:40:56.699
 not outside

00:40:56.699 --> 00:40:57.139
 the church

00:40:57.139 --> 00:40:57.460
 they're not

00:40:57.460 --> 00:40:58.000
 alienated

00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:58.319
 from the

00:40:58.319 --> 00:40:58.739
 church

00:40:58.739 --> 00:40:59.359
 they're

00:40:59.359 --> 00:40:59.619
 actually

00:40:59.619 --> 00:41:00.139
 inside

00:41:00.139 --> 00:41:00.559
 the church

00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:00.799
 they're

00:41:00.799 --> 00:41:01.059
 in the

00:41:01.059 --> 00:41:01.219
 church

00:41:01.219 --> 00:41:01.519
 because

00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:01.919
 they've

00:41:01.919 --> 00:41:02.259
 had

00:41:02.259 --> 00:41:03.179
 a

00:41:03.179 --> 00:41:03.599
 saving

00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:04.019
 life

00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:04.399
 changing

00:41:04.399 --> 00:41:04.980
 encounter

00:41:04.980 --> 00:41:05.679
 with

00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:06.039
 Jesus

00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:06.619
 Christ

00:41:06.619 --> 00:41:07.199
 and the

00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:07.639
 implication

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:08.019
 of course

00:41:08.019 --> 00:41:08.419
 of him

00:41:08.419 --> 00:41:08.699
 saying

00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:09.039
 such

00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:09.339
 were

00:41:09.339 --> 00:41:09.539
 some

00:41:09.539 --> 00:41:09.819
 of you

00:41:09.819 --> 00:41:10.139
 is that

00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:10.599
 look

00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:10.859
 you

00:41:10.859 --> 00:41:11.480
 used

00:41:11.480 --> 00:41:11.619
 to

00:41:11.619 --> 00:41:11.759
 live

00:41:11.759 --> 00:41:11.960
 these

00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:12.239
 kinds

00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:12.359
 of

00:41:12.359 --> 00:41:12.679
 ways

00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:13.259
 but

00:41:13.259 --> 00:41:13.399
 you

00:41:13.399 --> 00:41:13.719
 don't

00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:13.939
 live

00:41:13.939 --> 00:41:14.139
 those

00:41:14.139 --> 00:41:14.399
 ways

00:41:14.399 --> 00:41:14.739
 anymore

00:41:14.739 --> 00:41:15.099
 because

00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:15.319
 of

00:41:15.319 --> 00:41:15.559
 what's

00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:15.819
 happened

00:41:15.819 --> 00:41:16.259
 to you

00:41:16.259 --> 00:41:16.980
 in

00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:17.519
 Christ

00:41:17.519 --> 00:41:17.960
 Jesus

00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:18.659
 so

00:41:18.659 --> 00:41:18.919
 actually

00:41:18.919 --> 00:41:19.099
 that

00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:19.259
 should

00:41:19.259 --> 00:41:19.460
 give

00:41:19.460 --> 00:41:19.739
 great

00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:20.019
 hope

00:41:20.019 --> 00:41:20.399
 perhaps

00:41:20.399 --> 00:41:20.779
 to those

00:41:20.779 --> 00:41:21.299
 Christians

00:41:21.300 --> 00:41:21.660
 that we

00:41:21.660 --> 00:41:21.940
 know

00:41:21.940 --> 00:41:22.840
 or maybe

00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:23.080
 those

00:41:23.080 --> 00:41:23.460
 Christians

00:41:23.460 --> 00:41:23.980
 here this

00:41:23.980 --> 00:41:24.200
 evening

00:41:24.200 --> 00:41:24.800
 who struggle

00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:25.180
 in this

00:41:25.180 --> 00:41:25.560
 area

00:41:25.560 --> 00:41:26.500
 be encouraged

00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:26.800
 because

00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:27.120
 actually

00:41:27.120 --> 00:41:27.539
 this is

00:41:27.539 --> 00:41:28.120
 Paul is

00:41:28.120 --> 00:41:28.480
 wanting to

00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:28.880
 encourage

00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:29.160
 you and

00:41:29.160 --> 00:41:29.300
 say

00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:29.660
 look

00:41:29.660 --> 00:41:30.200
 you've

00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:30.480
 actually

00:41:30.480 --> 00:41:30.840
 been

00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:31.260
 redeemed

00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:31.539
 you've

00:41:31.539 --> 00:41:31.720
 been

00:41:31.720 --> 00:41:32.200
 rescued

00:41:32.200 --> 00:41:33.120
 you're

00:41:33.120 --> 00:41:33.360
 on a

00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:33.580
 level

00:41:33.580 --> 00:41:33.760
 with

00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:33.980
 every

00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:34.200
 other

00:41:34.200 --> 00:41:34.580
 Christian

00:41:34.580 --> 00:41:34.900
 who's

00:41:34.900 --> 00:41:35.100
 come

00:41:35.100 --> 00:41:35.260
 from

00:41:35.260 --> 00:41:35.420
 all

00:41:35.420 --> 00:41:35.560
 these

00:41:35.560 --> 00:41:35.760
 other

00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:36.060
 kinds

00:41:36.060 --> 00:41:36.180
 of

00:41:36.180 --> 00:41:36.560
 backgrounds

00:41:36.560 --> 00:41:36.800
 as

00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:37.060
 well

00:41:37.060 --> 00:41:37.660
 but

00:41:37.660 --> 00:41:37.760
 it

00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:38.019
 also

00:41:38.019 --> 00:41:38.360
 sends

00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:38.500
 out

00:41:38.500 --> 00:41:38.680
 I

00:41:38.680 --> 00:41:38.860
 think

00:41:38.860 --> 00:41:38.980
 a

00:41:38.980 --> 00:41:39.200
 great

00:41:39.200 --> 00:41:39.680
 challenge

00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:39.840
 to

00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:39.980
 the

00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:40.420
 church

00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:40.940
 that

00:41:40.940 --> 00:41:41.140
 actually

00:41:41.140 --> 00:41:41.280
 we

00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:41.519
 shouldn't

00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:41.680
 have

00:41:41.680 --> 00:41:41.800
 a

00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:42.320
 situation

00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:43.200
 where

00:41:43.200 --> 00:41:43.680
 the

00:41:43.680 --> 00:41:43.960
 gay

00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:44.599
 community

00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:45.139
 to use

00:41:45.139 --> 00:41:45.340
 that

00:41:45.340 --> 00:41:45.639
 phrase

00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:45.860
 is

00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:46.340
 completely

00:41:46.340 --> 00:41:46.940
 alienated

00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:47.139
 and

00:41:47.139 --> 00:41:47.539
 separated

00:41:47.539 --> 00:41:47.720
 from

00:41:47.720 --> 00:41:47.860
 the

00:41:47.860 --> 00:41:48.240
 church

00:41:48.240 --> 00:41:48.880
 if

00:41:48.880 --> 00:41:49.059
 the

00:41:49.059 --> 00:41:49.360
 church

00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:49.519
 is

00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:49.860
 being

00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:50.420
 authentic

00:41:50.420 --> 00:41:50.780
 and

00:41:50.780 --> 00:41:51.300
 is

00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:51.780
 preaching

00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:52.019
 the

00:41:52.019 --> 00:41:52.380
 gospel

00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:52.900
 to

00:41:52.900 --> 00:41:53.119
 all

00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:53.480
 kinds

00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:53.619
 of

00:41:53.619 --> 00:41:53.940
 people

00:41:53.940 --> 00:41:54.519
 then

00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:54.840
 really

00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:55.099
 in

00:41:55.099 --> 00:41:55.320
 our

00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:55.699
 churches

00:41:55.699 --> 00:41:56.059
 we

00:41:56.059 --> 00:41:56.340
 should

00:41:56.340 --> 00:41:56.780
 have

00:41:56.780 --> 00:41:57.559
 people

00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:57.800
 who

00:41:57.800 --> 00:41:58.099
 used

00:41:58.099 --> 00:41:58.260
 to

00:41:58.260 --> 00:41:58.740
 identify

00:41:58.740 --> 00:41:59.000
 as

00:41:59.000 --> 00:41:59.340
 gay

00:41:59.340 --> 00:42:00.000
 but

00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:00.139
 who

00:42:00.139 --> 00:42:00.420
 don't

00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:00.800
 anymore

00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:01.079
 because

00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:01.240
 of

00:42:01.240 --> 00:42:01.400
 that

00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:01.880
 encounter

00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:02.119
 with

00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:02.400
 Jesus

00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:02.960
 Christ

00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.340
 and

00:42:04.340 --> 00:42:04.440
 it's

00:42:04.440 --> 00:42:04.559
 really

00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:04.679
 on

00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:04.800
 that

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:04.960
 note

00:42:04.960 --> 00:42:05.079
 of

00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:05.260
 hope

00:42:05.260 --> 00:42:05.380
 that

00:42:05.380 --> 00:42:05.460
 I

00:42:05.460 --> 00:42:05.619
 want

00:42:05.619 --> 00:42:05.740
 to

00:42:05.740 --> 00:42:06.079
 conclude

00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:06.279
 this

00:42:06.279 --> 00:42:06.460
 evening

00:42:06.460 --> 00:42:06.559
 as

00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:06.659
 we

00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:06.819
 think

00:42:06.819 --> 00:42:07.000
 about

00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:07.179
 our

00:42:07.179 --> 00:42:07.519
 final

00:42:07.519 --> 00:42:08.039
 question

00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:08.960
 before

00:42:08.960 --> 00:42:09.139
 we

00:42:09.139 --> 00:42:09.319
 move

00:42:09.319 --> 00:42:09.460
 through

00:42:09.460 --> 00:42:09.599
 to

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:09.739
 a

00:42:09.739 --> 00:42:10.019
 break

00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:10.179
 and

00:42:10.179 --> 00:42:10.360
 then

00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:10.500
 to

00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:11.380
 your

00:42:11.380 --> 00:42:11.960
 questions

00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:12.699
 and

00:42:12.699 --> 00:42:12.880
 it's

00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:13.099
 this

00:42:13.099 --> 00:42:13.360
 question

00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:13.539
 what

00:42:13.539 --> 00:42:13.920
 hope

00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:14.059
 does

00:42:14.059 --> 00:42:14.199
 the

00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:14.500
 gospel

00:42:14.500 --> 00:42:14.719
 then

00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:15.000
 hold

00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:15.400
 out

00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:16.059
 to

00:42:16.059 --> 00:42:16.440
 those

00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:16.659
 for

00:42:16.659 --> 00:42:16.980
 whom

00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:17.739
 this

00:42:17.739 --> 00:42:17.920
 is

00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:18.059
 a

00:42:18.059 --> 00:42:18.460
 personal

00:42:18.460 --> 00:42:18.880
 issue

00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:19.980
 is

00:42:19.980 --> 00:42:20.159
 there

00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:20.360
 a

00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:20.719
 gospel

00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.019
 for

00:42:22.019 --> 00:42:22.239
 the

00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:22.639
 person

00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:22.840
 who

00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:23.159
 perhaps

00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:23.480
 right

00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:23.819
 now

00:42:23.819 --> 00:42:24.000
 is

00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:24.579
 identifying

00:42:24.579 --> 00:42:24.980
 as

00:42:24.980 --> 00:42:25.319
 gay

00:42:25.319 --> 00:42:26.000
 lesbian

00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:26.299
 bi

00:42:26.299 --> 00:42:26.599
 maybe

00:42:26.599 --> 00:42:26.759
 is

00:42:26.759 --> 00:42:27.199
 involved

00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:27.420
 in

00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:27.559
 a

00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:27.739
 same

00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:27.960
 sex

00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:28.440
 relationship

00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:29.340
 is

00:42:29.340 --> 00:42:29.480
 there

00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:29.599
 a

00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:29.900
 gospel

00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:30.159
 for

00:42:30.159 --> 00:42:30.299
 the

00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:30.760
 Christian

00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:31.500
 who

00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:31.680
 is

00:42:31.680 --> 00:42:32.180
 struggling

00:42:32.180 --> 00:42:32.420
 in

00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:32.580
 this

00:42:32.580 --> 00:42:32.780
 way

00:42:32.780 --> 00:42:32.940
 and

00:42:32.940 --> 00:42:33.580
 wondering

00:42:33.580 --> 00:42:34.340
 how

00:42:34.340 --> 00:42:34.680
 on earth

00:42:34.680 --> 00:42:34.880
 can

00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:35.080
 God

00:42:35.080 --> 00:42:35.340
 still

00:42:35.340 --> 00:42:35.580
 love

00:42:35.580 --> 00:42:35.700
 them

00:42:35.700 --> 00:42:36.680
 they keep

00:42:36.680 --> 00:42:37.019
 slipping

00:42:37.019 --> 00:42:37.260
 up

00:42:37.260 --> 00:42:37.420
 and

00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:37.680
 falling

00:42:37.680 --> 00:42:37.840
 and

00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:38.100
 struggling

00:42:38.100 --> 00:42:38.220
 in

00:42:38.220 --> 00:42:38.320
 this

00:42:38.320 --> 00:42:38.460
 area

00:42:38.460 --> 00:42:38.660
 can

00:42:38.660 --> 00:42:38.920
 God

00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:39.260
 still

00:42:39.260 --> 00:42:39.480
 love

00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:39.580
 them

00:42:39.580 --> 00:42:39.700
 is

00:42:39.700 --> 00:42:39.820
 there

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:39.960
 a

00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:40.320
 gospel

00:42:40.320 --> 00:42:40.980
 for

00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:41.120
 the

00:42:41.120 --> 00:42:41.480
 Christian

00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:41.700
 who

00:42:41.700 --> 00:42:42.019
 struggles

00:42:42.019 --> 00:42:42.200
 in

00:42:42.200 --> 00:42:42.360
 this

00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:42.720
 way

00:42:42.720 --> 00:42:43.320
 I

00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:43.500
 want

00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:43.580
 to

00:42:43.580 --> 00:42:43.860
 suggest

00:42:43.860 --> 00:42:43.960
 to

00:42:43.960 --> 00:42:44.039
 you

00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:44.560
 absolutely

00:42:44.560 --> 00:42:45.019
 yes

00:42:45.019 --> 00:42:45.800
 100%

00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:46.000
 the

00:42:46.000 --> 00:42:46.500
 gospel

00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:47.680
 is

00:42:47.680 --> 00:42:48.180
 good

00:42:48.180 --> 00:42:48.720
 news

00:42:48.720 --> 00:42:49.360
 for

00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:49.680
 all

00:42:49.680 --> 00:42:50.080
 kinds

00:42:50.080 --> 00:42:50.240
 of

00:42:50.240 --> 00:42:50.560
 people

00:42:50.560 --> 00:42:51.360
 from

00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:51.600
 all

00:42:51.600 --> 00:42:52.039
 kinds

00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:52.220
 of

00:42:52.220 --> 00:42:52.800
 backgrounds

00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:53.500
 with

00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:53.700
 all

00:42:53.700 --> 00:42:54.100
 kinds

00:42:54.100 --> 00:42:54.240
 of

00:42:54.240 --> 00:42:54.720
 struggles

00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:55.719
 it's

00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:55.879
 really

00:42:55.879 --> 00:42:56.379
 sad

00:42:56.379 --> 00:42:56.679
 when

00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:57.319
 sometimes

00:42:57.319 --> 00:42:57.500
 as

00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:57.659
 Christians

00:42:57.659 --> 00:42:57.919
 and we

00:42:57.919 --> 00:42:58.099
 all

00:42:58.099 --> 00:42:58.239
 do

00:42:58.239 --> 00:42:58.399
 this

00:42:58.399 --> 00:42:58.579
 we're

00:42:58.579 --> 00:42:58.739
 all

00:42:58.739 --> 00:42:58.859
 in

00:42:58.859 --> 00:42:59.079
 danger

00:42:59.079 --> 00:42:59.179
 of

00:42:59.179 --> 00:42:59.279
 it

00:42:59.279 --> 00:42:59.599
 we can

00:42:59.599 --> 00:42:59.939
 write

00:42:59.939 --> 00:43:00.199
 off

00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:00.480
 can't

00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:00.599
 we

00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:00.839
 certain

00:43:00.839 --> 00:43:01.119
 people

00:43:01.119 --> 00:43:01.379
 maybe

00:43:01.379 --> 00:43:01.559
 it's

00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:01.739
 that

00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:02.299
 person

00:43:02.299 --> 00:43:02.439
 that

00:43:02.439 --> 00:43:02.559
 you

00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:02.879
 work

00:43:02.879 --> 00:43:03.059
 with

00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:03.259
 maybe

00:43:03.259 --> 00:43:03.439
 it's

00:43:03.439 --> 00:43:03.599
 that

00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:03.939
 neighbor

00:43:03.939 --> 00:43:04.219
 maybe

00:43:04.219 --> 00:43:04.379
 it's

00:43:04.379 --> 00:43:04.539
 even

00:43:04.539 --> 00:43:04.719
 that

00:43:04.719 --> 00:43:05.099
 family

00:43:05.099 --> 00:43:05.500
 member

00:43:05.500 --> 00:43:06.079
 who

00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:06.299
 seems

00:43:06.299 --> 00:43:06.559
 to be

00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:06.919
 so

00:43:06.919 --> 00:43:07.279
 far

00:43:07.279 --> 00:43:07.539
 away

00:43:07.539 --> 00:43:07.739
 from

00:43:07.739 --> 00:43:08.139
 God

00:43:08.139 --> 00:43:08.739
 and

00:43:08.739 --> 00:43:08.899
 we

00:43:08.899 --> 00:43:09.079
 just

00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:09.559
 cannot

00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:10.279
 envisage

00:43:10.279 --> 00:43:10.839
 God

00:43:10.839 --> 00:43:11.459
 possibly

00:43:11.459 --> 00:43:12.379
 reaching

00:43:12.379 --> 00:43:12.839
 out to

00:43:12.839 --> 00:43:13.019
 that

00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:13.519
 person

00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:14.539
 and yet

00:43:14.539 --> 00:43:14.839
 so

00:43:14.839 --> 00:43:15.139
 often

00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:15.319
 that

00:43:15.319 --> 00:43:15.480
 is

00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:15.679
 the

00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:15.980
 very

00:43:15.980 --> 00:43:16.500
 person

00:43:16.500 --> 00:43:17.199
 that

00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:17.440
 God

00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:17.579
 will

00:43:17.579 --> 00:43:17.760
 be

00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:18.159
 touching

00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:18.440
 and

00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:18.840
 putting

00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:19.019
 his

00:43:19.019 --> 00:43:19.300
 hand

00:43:19.300 --> 00:43:19.420
 on

00:43:19.420 --> 00:43:19.519
 and

00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:19.639
 saying

00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:19.900
 I

00:43:19.900 --> 00:43:20.260
 want

00:43:20.260 --> 00:43:20.519
 you

00:43:20.519 --> 00:43:20.679
 I

00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:20.920
 want

00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:21.340
 you

00:43:21.340 --> 00:43:21.980
 in

00:43:21.980 --> 00:43:22.199
 my

00:43:22.199 --> 00:43:22.500
 kingdom

00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:22.719
 so

00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:22.980
 let's

00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:23.239
 not

00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:23.619
 ever

00:43:23.619 --> 00:43:24.139
 write

00:43:24.139 --> 00:43:24.960
 anybody

00:43:24.960 --> 00:43:25.219
 off

00:43:25.219 --> 00:43:25.480
 God

00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:25.619
 is

00:43:25.619 --> 00:43:25.719
 in

00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:25.860
 the

00:43:25.860 --> 00:43:26.159
 business

00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:26.380
 of

00:43:26.380 --> 00:43:26.860
 rescuing

00:43:26.860 --> 00:43:27.400
 people

00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:27.559
 that

00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:27.719
 we

00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:28.019
 might

00:43:28.019 --> 00:43:28.340
 consider

00:43:28.340 --> 00:43:28.760
 to be

00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:29.320
 the

00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:29.579
 most

00:43:29.579 --> 00:43:30.000
 unlikely

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:30.199
 of

00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:30.260
 all

00:43:30.260 --> 00:43:30.539
 remember

00:43:30.539 --> 00:43:30.679
 the

00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:30.840
 whole

00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:31.280
 ministry

00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:31.539
 of

00:43:31.539 --> 00:43:31.960
 Jesus

00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:32.780
 was

00:43:32.780 --> 00:43:33.219
 focused

00:43:33.219 --> 00:43:33.480
 on

00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:33.880
 reaching

00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:34.300
 out

00:43:34.300 --> 00:43:34.519
 to

00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:34.679
 the

00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:35.219
 marginalized

00:43:35.219 --> 00:43:35.599
 and

00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:35.699
 the

00:43:35.699 --> 00:43:36.159
 alienated

00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:36.440
 those

00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:36.619
 that

00:43:36.619 --> 00:43:37.059
 other

00:43:37.059 --> 00:43:37.440
 people

00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:38.079
 often

00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:38.239
 had

00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:38.719
 rejected

00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:39.420
 and

00:43:39.420 --> 00:43:39.639
 written

00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:39.879
 off

00:43:39.879 --> 00:43:39.980
 and

00:43:39.980 --> 00:43:40.039
 I

00:43:40.039 --> 00:43:40.139
 want

00:43:40.139 --> 00:43:40.199
 to

00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:40.319
 give

00:43:40.319 --> 00:43:40.400
 you

00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:40.699
 three

00:43:40.699 --> 00:43:41.179
 ways

00:43:41.179 --> 00:43:42.179
 in

00:43:42.179 --> 00:43:42.319
 which

00:43:42.319 --> 00:43:42.460
 I

00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:42.699
 believe

00:43:42.699 --> 00:43:42.839
 the

00:43:42.839 --> 00:43:43.179
 gospel

00:43:43.179 --> 00:43:43.379
 is

00:43:43.379 --> 00:43:43.659
 good

00:43:43.659 --> 00:43:44.019
 news

00:43:44.019 --> 00:43:44.819
 particularly

00:43:44.819 --> 00:43:45.079
 for

00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:45.319
 those

00:43:45.319 --> 00:43:45.460
 who

00:43:45.460 --> 00:43:45.879
 struggle

00:43:45.879 --> 00:43:46.500
 in

00:43:46.500 --> 00:43:46.659
 this

00:43:46.659 --> 00:43:46.819
 whole

00:43:46.819 --> 00:43:47.059
 area

00:43:47.059 --> 00:43:47.199
 of

00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:47.379
 same

00:43:47.379 --> 00:43:47.599
 sex

00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:48.119
 attraction

00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:49.359
 firstly

00:43:49.359 --> 00:43:49.559
 it

00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:49.679
 is

00:43:49.679 --> 00:43:49.960
 good

00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:50.359
 news

00:43:50.359 --> 00:43:51.099
 of

00:43:51.099 --> 00:43:51.500
 a

00:43:51.500 --> 00:43:51.699
 new

00:43:51.699 --> 00:43:52.259
 beginning

00:43:52.259 --> 00:43:53.179
 good

00:43:53.179 --> 00:43:53.379
 news

00:43:53.379 --> 00:43:53.480
 of

00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:53.579
 a

00:43:53.579 --> 00:43:53.719
 new

00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:54.219
 beginning

00:43:54.219 --> 00:43:55.460
 so

00:43:55.460 --> 00:43:55.900
 to

00:43:55.900 --> 00:43:57.000
 Corinthian

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:57.400
 Christians

00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:57.619
 whereas

00:43:57.619 --> 00:43:57.980
 remember

00:43:57.980 --> 00:43:58.219
 we've

00:43:58.219 --> 00:43:58.400
 just

00:43:58.400 --> 00:43:58.739
 seen

00:43:58.739 --> 00:43:59.159
 there

00:43:59.159 --> 00:43:59.279
 were

00:43:59.279 --> 00:43:59.579
 those

00:43:59.579 --> 00:43:59.839
 some

00:43:59.839 --> 00:43:59.980
 of

00:43:59.980 --> 00:44:00.099
 whom

00:44:00.099 --> 00:44:00.239
 had

00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:00.480
 come

00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:00.659
 from

00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:00.819
 a

00:44:00.819 --> 00:44:01.199
 background

00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:01.400
 of

00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:01.559
 being

00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:02.000
 involved

00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:02.179
 in

00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:02.400
 same

00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:02.619
 sex

00:44:02.619 --> 00:44:03.159
 practice

00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:04.019
 Paul

00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:04.460
 writes

00:44:04.460 --> 00:44:04.980
 if

00:44:04.980 --> 00:44:05.420
 anyone

00:44:05.420 --> 00:44:05.639
 is

00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:05.839
 in

00:44:05.839 --> 00:44:06.279
 Christ

00:44:06.279 --> 00:44:07.279
 he

00:44:07.279 --> 00:44:07.659
 or

00:44:07.659 --> 00:44:07.960
 she

00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:08.699
 is

00:44:08.699 --> 00:44:08.879
 a

00:44:08.879 --> 00:44:09.159
 new

00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:09.759
 creation

00:44:09.759 --> 00:44:10.619
 the

00:44:10.619 --> 00:44:11.000
 old

00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:11.159
 is

00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:11.500
 gone

00:44:11.500 --> 00:44:12.199
 the

00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:12.579
 new

00:44:12.579 --> 00:44:13.019
 has

00:44:13.019 --> 00:44:13.440
 come

00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:14.599
 now

00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:14.639
 I

00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:14.759
 need

00:44:14.759 --> 00:44:14.839
 to

00:44:14.839 --> 00:44:14.960
 be

00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:15.279
 absolutely

00:44:15.279 --> 00:44:15.659
 clear

00:44:15.659 --> 00:44:15.839
 that

00:44:15.839 --> 00:44:16.000
 what

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:16.239
 Paul

00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:16.460
 is

00:44:16.460 --> 00:44:16.920
 not

00:44:16.920 --> 00:44:17.379
 promising

00:44:17.379 --> 00:44:18.219
 in

00:44:18.219 --> 00:44:18.399
 that

00:44:18.399 --> 00:44:18.579
 verse

00:44:18.579 --> 00:44:18.759
 he's

00:44:18.759 --> 00:44:18.980
 not

00:44:18.980 --> 00:44:19.500
 promising

00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:19.699
 to

00:44:19.699 --> 00:44:19.839
 the

00:44:19.839 --> 00:44:20.179
 person

00:44:20.179 --> 00:44:20.379
 who

00:44:20.379 --> 00:44:20.779
 struggles

00:44:20.779 --> 00:44:20.980
 with

00:44:20.980 --> 00:44:21.139
 same

00:44:21.139 --> 00:44:21.299
 sex

00:44:21.299 --> 00:44:21.539
 relationship

00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:23.719
 you

00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:24.019
 come

00:44:24.019 --> 00:44:24.179
 to

00:44:24.179 --> 00:44:24.619
 Christ

00:44:24.619 --> 00:44:24.819
 and

00:44:24.819 --> 00:44:25.399
 miraculously

00:44:25.399 --> 00:44:26.000
 overnight

00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.920
 you're

00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:27.440
 transformed

00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:27.779
 into

00:44:27.779 --> 00:44:27.960
 a

00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:28.099
 full

00:44:28.099 --> 00:44:28.379
 blooded

00:44:28.379 --> 00:44:28.920
 heterosexual

00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:29.199
 and

00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:29.299
 you

00:44:29.299 --> 00:44:29.440
 go

00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:29.579
 on

00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:29.659
 and

00:44:29.659 --> 00:44:29.839
 get

00:44:29.839 --> 00:44:30.139
 married

00:44:30.139 --> 00:44:30.259
 and

00:44:30.260 --> 00:44:30.720
 2.4

00:44:30.720 --> 00:44:31.100
 children

00:44:31.100 --> 00:44:31.400
 and

00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:31.880
 move

00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:32.040
 into

00:44:32.040 --> 00:44:32.140
 a

00:44:32.140 --> 00:44:32.460
 detached

00:44:32.460 --> 00:44:32.720
 house

00:44:32.720 --> 00:44:32.900
 get

00:44:32.900 --> 00:44:33.000
 a

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:33.220
 nice

00:44:33.220 --> 00:44:33.540
 car

00:44:33.540 --> 00:44:33.920
 plasma

00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:34.220
 TV

00:44:34.220 --> 00:44:34.400
 and

00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:34.500
 a

00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:34.680
 dog

00:44:34.680 --> 00:44:34.820
 and

00:44:34.820 --> 00:44:34.980
 so

00:44:34.980 --> 00:44:35.100
 on

00:44:35.100 --> 00:44:35.240
 he's

00:44:35.240 --> 00:44:35.400
 not

00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:35.800
 promising

00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:36.060
 that

00:44:36.060 --> 00:44:36.520
 that

00:44:36.520 --> 00:44:36.760
 may

00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:37.220
 happen

00:44:37.220 --> 00:44:38.440
 but it's

00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:39.020
 very unlikely

00:44:39.020 --> 00:44:39.480
 to happen

00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:41.300
 in that way

00:44:41.300 --> 00:44:43.640
 as regards

00:44:43.640 --> 00:44:44.040
 myself

00:44:44.040 --> 00:44:45.060
 as I said

00:44:45.060 --> 00:44:45.420
 I was in a

00:44:45.420 --> 00:44:45.720
 same sex

00:44:45.720 --> 00:44:45.960
 relationship

00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:46.360
 before I

00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:46.700
 came to

00:44:46.700 --> 00:44:47.080
 Christ

00:44:47.080 --> 00:44:48.020
 I have

00:44:48.020 --> 00:44:48.380
 not

00:44:48.380 --> 00:44:49.140
 gone on

00:44:49.140 --> 00:44:49.380
 to

00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:49.600
 get

00:44:49.600 --> 00:44:49.820
 married

00:44:49.820 --> 00:44:50.060
 I've

00:44:50.060 --> 00:44:50.280
 not

00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:50.580
 been

00:44:50.580 --> 00:44:51.300
 healed

00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:52.580
 or cured

00:44:52.580 --> 00:44:53.420
 of

00:44:53.420 --> 00:44:53.800
 same

00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:53.940
 sex

00:44:53.940 --> 00:44:54.120
 relationship

00:44:54.120 --> 00:44:54.380
 nor do

00:44:54.380 --> 00:44:54.580
 I think

00:44:54.580 --> 00:44:54.760
 that's

00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:55.060
 particularly

00:44:55.060 --> 00:44:55.420
 helpful

00:44:55.420 --> 00:44:55.820
 language

00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:56.420
 to use

00:44:56.420 --> 00:44:56.740
 really

00:44:56.740 --> 00:44:57.540
 in this

00:44:57.540 --> 00:44:57.940
 context

00:45:00.260 --> 00:45:01.180
 and

00:45:01.180 --> 00:45:01.820
 pray

00:45:01.820 --> 00:45:02.300
 over

00:45:02.300 --> 00:45:02.640
 me

00:45:02.640 --> 00:45:03.560
 went

00:45:03.560 --> 00:45:03.820
 forward

00:45:03.820 --> 00:45:03.920
 at

00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:04.140
 one

00:45:04.140 --> 00:45:04.420
 prayer

00:45:04.420 --> 00:45:04.800
 meeting

00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:05.180
 and

00:45:05.180 --> 00:45:06.620
 a

00:45:06.620 --> 00:45:06.960
 pastor

00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:07.380
 prayed

00:45:07.380 --> 00:45:07.600
 over

00:45:07.600 --> 00:45:07.820
 me

00:45:07.820 --> 00:45:07.940
 and

00:45:07.940 --> 00:45:08.040
 I

00:45:08.040 --> 00:45:08.200
 went

00:45:08.200 --> 00:45:08.500
 forward

00:45:08.500 --> 00:45:08.620
 and

00:45:08.620 --> 00:45:08.940
 whispered

00:45:08.940 --> 00:45:09.060
 look

00:45:09.060 --> 00:45:09.200
 I'm

00:45:09.200 --> 00:45:09.640
 struggling

00:45:09.640 --> 00:45:09.860
 with

00:45:09.860 --> 00:45:10.580
 homosexuality

00:45:10.580 --> 00:45:10.740
 I'd

00:45:10.740 --> 00:45:10.860
 like

00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:11.080
 to be

00:45:11.080 --> 00:45:11.260
 set

00:45:11.260 --> 00:45:11.520
 free

00:45:11.520 --> 00:45:12.000
 he said

00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:12.320
 brother

00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:12.860
 you have

00:45:12.860 --> 00:45:13.060
 been

00:45:13.060 --> 00:45:13.320
 set

00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:13.660
 free

00:45:13.660 --> 00:45:13.900
 from

00:45:13.900 --> 00:45:14.040
 your

00:45:14.040 --> 00:45:14.860
 homosexuality

00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:15.400
 in

00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:15.700
 rather

00:45:15.700 --> 00:45:16.060
 a loud

00:45:16.060 --> 00:45:16.400
 voice

00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:16.600
 which

00:45:16.600 --> 00:45:16.740
 was

00:45:16.740 --> 00:45:16.960
 quite

00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:17.420
 embarrassing

00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:18.220
 you

00:45:18.220 --> 00:45:18.400
 should

00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:18.600
 go

00:45:18.600 --> 00:45:18.860
 home

00:45:18.860 --> 00:45:19.200
 now

00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:19.800
 and

00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:19.900
 he

00:45:19.900 --> 00:45:20.060
 said

00:45:20.060 --> 00:45:20.280
 just

00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:20.620
 live

00:45:20.620 --> 00:45:20.800
 out

00:45:20.800 --> 00:45:20.960
 your

00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:21.220
 straight

00:45:21.220 --> 00:45:21.560
 life

00:45:21.560 --> 00:45:22.300
 believe

00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:22.580
 it

00:45:22.580 --> 00:45:22.900
 claim

00:45:22.900 --> 00:45:23.020
 it

00:45:23.020 --> 00:45:23.200
 by

00:45:23.200 --> 00:45:23.520
 faith

00:45:23.520 --> 00:45:23.840
 that

00:45:23.840 --> 00:45:23.960
 was

00:45:30.260 --> 00:45:30.400
 it

00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:30.760
 lasted

00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:31.240
 about

00:45:31.240 --> 00:45:31.500
 20

00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:31.760
 minutes

00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:31.980
 before

00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:32.140
 I

00:45:32.140 --> 00:45:32.400
 realised

00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:33.320
 nothing

00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:33.580
 had

00:45:33.580 --> 00:45:33.920
 changed

00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:34.100
 at

00:45:34.100 --> 00:45:34.400
 all

00:45:34.400 --> 00:45:35.540
 I

00:45:35.540 --> 00:45:35.700
 think

00:45:35.700 --> 00:45:35.820
 I

00:45:35.820 --> 00:45:36.020
 remember

00:45:36.020 --> 00:45:36.320
 watching

00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:36.660
 a film

00:45:36.660 --> 00:45:36.820
 with

00:45:36.820 --> 00:45:37.000
 Matt

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:37.280
 Damon

00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:37.400
 and

00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:37.500
 he

00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:37.760
 was

00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:37.920
 still

00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:38.440
 looking

00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:38.580
 as

00:45:38.580 --> 00:45:38.620
 he

00:45:38.620 --> 00:45:38.740
 was

00:45:38.740 --> 00:45:39.000
 before

00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:39.180
 so

00:45:39.180 --> 00:45:39.520
 clearly

00:45:39.520 --> 00:45:40.200
 God

00:45:40.200 --> 00:45:40.440
 hasn't

00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:40.700
 taken

00:45:40.700 --> 00:45:40.840
 it

00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:41.080
 away

00:45:41.080 --> 00:45:41.240
 at

00:45:41.240 --> 00:45:41.540
 all

00:45:41.540 --> 00:45:42.620
 but

00:45:42.620 --> 00:45:42.800
 that's

00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:43.020
 very

00:45:43.020 --> 00:45:43.480
 dangerous

00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:43.740
 isn't

00:45:43.740 --> 00:45:43.840
 it

00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:44.000
 when

00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:44.680
 people

00:45:44.680 --> 00:45:44.820
 are

00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:45.060
 making

00:45:45.060 --> 00:45:45.400
 those

00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:45.720
 kinds

00:45:45.720 --> 00:45:45.840
 of

00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:46.220
 promises

00:45:46.220 --> 00:45:46.720
 God

00:45:46.720 --> 00:45:46.880
 does

00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:47.200
 not

00:45:47.200 --> 00:45:47.960
 normally

00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:49.880
 intervene

00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:50.400
 in that

00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:50.720
 kind of

00:45:50.720 --> 00:45:50.800
 way

00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:51.120
 not to

00:45:51.120 --> 00:45:51.260
 say

00:45:51.260 --> 00:45:51.400
 that

00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:51.520
 he

00:45:51.520 --> 00:45:52.160
 can't

00:45:52.160 --> 00:45:52.700
 but

00:45:52.700 --> 00:45:52.800
 he

00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:53.060
 doesn't

00:45:53.060 --> 00:45:53.460
 normally

00:46:00.260 --> 00:46:00.460
 same

00:46:00.460 --> 00:46:00.680
 sex

00:46:00.680 --> 00:46:01.160
 practice

00:46:01.160 --> 00:46:01.400
 or

00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:01.600
 you

00:46:01.600 --> 00:46:02.020
 have

00:46:02.020 --> 00:46:02.740
 gay

00:46:02.740 --> 00:46:03.100
 relationship

00:46:03.100 --> 00:46:03.340
 whatever

00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:03.500
 it

00:46:03.500 --> 00:46:03.680
 may

00:46:03.680 --> 00:46:04.020
 be

00:46:04.020 --> 00:46:05.040
 if

00:46:05.040 --> 00:46:05.140
 you

00:46:05.140 --> 00:46:05.420
 come

00:46:05.420 --> 00:46:05.600
 to

00:46:05.600 --> 00:46:06.060
 Christ

00:46:06.060 --> 00:46:06.820
 you

00:46:06.820 --> 00:46:07.000
 are

00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:07.640
 guaranteed

00:46:07.640 --> 00:46:08.400
 a new

00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:08.720
 beginning

00:46:08.720 --> 00:46:09.080
 in fact

00:46:09.080 --> 00:46:09.240
 he's

00:46:09.240 --> 00:46:09.380
 saying

00:46:09.380 --> 00:46:09.500
 to

00:46:09.500 --> 00:46:09.800
 anybody

00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:10.140
 who's

00:46:10.140 --> 00:46:10.500
 strayed

00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:10.580
 in

00:46:10.580 --> 00:46:10.860
 whatever

00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:11.140
 way

00:46:11.140 --> 00:46:11.320
 from

00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:11.620
 God's

00:46:11.620 --> 00:46:11.920
 purposes

00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:12.140
 for

00:46:12.140 --> 00:46:12.340
 sex

00:46:12.340 --> 00:46:12.460
 and

00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:12.620
 marriage

00:46:12.620 --> 00:46:12.800
 whether

00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:12.980
 that

00:46:12.980 --> 00:46:13.120
 be

00:46:13.120 --> 00:46:13.700
 homosexually

00:46:13.700 --> 00:46:13.920
 or

00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:14.660
 heterosexually

00:46:14.660 --> 00:46:15.220
 come

00:46:15.220 --> 00:46:15.400
 to

00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:15.800
 Christ

00:46:15.800 --> 00:46:16.700
 the slate

00:46:16.700 --> 00:46:16.880
 is

00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:17.160
 wiped

00:46:17.160 --> 00:46:17.780
 completely

00:46:17.780 --> 00:46:18.240
 clean

00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:18.940
 full

00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:19.240
 and

00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:19.560
 free

00:46:19.560 --> 00:46:20.080
 forgiveness

00:46:20.080 --> 00:46:20.840
 in

00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:21.180
 Christ

00:46:21.180 --> 00:46:21.440
 that

00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:21.740
 means

00:46:21.740 --> 00:46:21.880
 that

00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:21.980
 the

00:46:21.980 --> 00:46:22.240
 person

00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:22.400
 who

00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:22.520
 has

00:46:22.520 --> 00:46:22.840
 struggled

00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:23.040
 in

00:46:23.040 --> 00:46:23.200
 this

00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:23.500
 way

00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:24.059
 being

00:46:24.059 --> 00:46:24.379
 involved

00:46:24.379 --> 00:46:24.500
 in

00:46:24.500 --> 00:46:24.619
 the

00:46:24.619 --> 00:46:24.759
 same

00:46:24.759 --> 00:46:24.939
 sex

00:46:24.939 --> 00:46:25.079
 race

00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:25.399
 doesn't

00:46:25.399 --> 00:46:25.539
 need

00:46:25.539 --> 00:46:25.679
 to

00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:26.119
 carry

00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:26.599
 guilt

00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:26.919
 or

00:46:26.919 --> 00:46:27.339
 shame

00:46:27.339 --> 00:46:27.579
 there

00:46:27.579 --> 00:46:27.759
 is

00:46:27.759 --> 00:46:28.339
 often

00:46:28.339 --> 00:46:28.679
 an awful

00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:29.000
 lot of

00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:29.219
 guilt

00:46:29.219 --> 00:46:29.699
 and shame

00:46:29.699 --> 00:46:30.379
 wrapped up

00:46:30.379 --> 00:46:31.099
 in this

00:46:31.099 --> 00:46:31.279
 whole

00:46:31.279 --> 00:46:31.619
 era of

00:46:31.619 --> 00:46:32.539
 homosexuality

00:46:32.539 --> 00:46:33.359
 but Paul

00:46:33.359 --> 00:46:33.659
 is saying

00:46:33.659 --> 00:46:33.839
 look

00:46:33.839 --> 00:46:34.500
 you have

00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:34.859
 a new

00:46:34.859 --> 00:46:35.239
 beginning

00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:35.759
 you have

00:46:35.759 --> 00:46:35.980
 been

00:46:35.980 --> 00:46:36.559
 forgiven

00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:37.559
 you have

00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:37.819
 been

00:46:37.819 --> 00:46:38.500
 freed

00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:38.899
 from

00:46:38.899 --> 00:46:39.559
 the

00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:40.859
 consequences

00:46:40.859 --> 00:46:41.559
 of that

00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:42.059
 past

00:46:42.059 --> 00:46:42.480
 life

00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:43.599
 and

00:46:43.599 --> 00:46:44.279
 over time

00:46:44.279 --> 00:46:44.799
 of course

00:46:44.799 --> 00:46:45.139
 God

00:46:45.139 --> 00:46:45.539
 by his

00:46:45.539 --> 00:46:45.719
 Holy

00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:46.019
 Spirit

00:46:46.019 --> 00:46:46.279
 as he

00:46:46.279 --> 00:46:46.719
 dwells

00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:46.919
 within

00:46:46.919 --> 00:46:47.239
 a new

00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:47.599
 believer

00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:48.239
 does

00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:48.480
 bring

00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:48.739
 about

00:46:48.739 --> 00:46:49.399
 transformation

00:46:49.399 --> 00:46:50.119
 in terms

00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:50.279
 of

00:46:50.279 --> 00:46:50.759
 behaviour

00:46:50.759 --> 00:46:51.519
 so

00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:52.639
 I can't

00:46:53.199 --> 00:46:53.319
 have

00:46:53.319 --> 00:46:53.579
 taken

00:46:53.579 --> 00:46:54.019
 away

00:46:54.019 --> 00:46:54.279
 my

00:46:54.279 --> 00:46:54.519
 same

00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:54.719
 sex

00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:55.179
 attraction

00:46:55.179 --> 00:46:55.739
 but

00:46:55.739 --> 00:46:55.919
 what

00:46:55.919 --> 00:46:56.019
 he

00:46:56.019 --> 00:46:56.279
 has

00:46:56.279 --> 00:46:56.419
 done

00:46:56.419 --> 00:46:56.559
 is

00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:56.899
 over

00:46:56.899 --> 00:46:57.079
 the

00:46:57.079 --> 00:46:57.460
 years

00:46:57.460 --> 00:46:58.899
 he

00:46:58.899 --> 00:46:59.259
 has

00:46:59.259 --> 00:46:59.759
 been

00:46:59.759 --> 00:46:59.919
 at

00:46:59.919 --> 00:47:00.099
 work

00:47:00.099 --> 00:47:00.679
 transforming

00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:00.899
 me

00:47:00.899 --> 00:47:01.039
 so

00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:01.279
 he's

00:47:01.279 --> 00:47:01.619
 taught

00:47:01.619 --> 00:47:01.899
 me

00:47:01.899 --> 00:47:02.500
 that

00:47:02.500 --> 00:47:02.659
 it's

00:47:02.659 --> 00:47:03.159
 possible

00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:03.699
 to be

00:47:03.699 --> 00:47:03.939
 self

00:47:03.939 --> 00:47:04.279
 controlled

00:47:04.279 --> 00:47:04.480
 I

00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:04.779
 haven't

00:47:04.779 --> 00:47:04.939
 done

00:47:04.939 --> 00:47:05.119
 that

00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:05.579
 perfectly

00:47:05.579 --> 00:47:06.019
 in all

00:47:06.019 --> 00:47:06.279
 the years

00:47:06.279 --> 00:47:06.379
 I've

00:47:06.379 --> 00:47:06.480
 been

00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:06.599
 a

00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:06.859
 Christian

00:47:06.859 --> 00:47:07.359
 but

00:47:07.359 --> 00:47:07.559
 little

00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:07.699
 by

00:47:07.699 --> 00:47:07.899
 little

00:47:07.899 --> 00:47:08.119
 God

00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:08.239
 has

00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:08.379
 been

00:47:08.379 --> 00:47:08.779
 teaching

00:47:08.779 --> 00:47:09.059
 me

00:47:09.059 --> 00:47:09.460
 that

00:47:09.460 --> 00:47:09.739
 it's

00:47:09.739 --> 00:47:11.239
 not

00:47:11.239 --> 00:47:11.719
 essential

00:47:11.719 --> 00:47:11.960
 to

00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:12.359
 life

00:47:12.359 --> 00:47:12.960
 to be

00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:13.139
 in a

00:47:13.139 --> 00:47:13.379
 sexual

00:47:13.379 --> 00:47:13.639
 relationship

00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:13.939
 and I

00:47:13.939 --> 00:47:14.059
 think

00:47:14.059 --> 00:47:14.299
 that's

00:47:14.299 --> 00:47:14.500
 quite

00:47:14.500 --> 00:47:14.899
 shocking

00:47:14.899 --> 00:47:15.359
 for our

00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:16.039
 culture

00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:16.280
 we're

00:47:16.280 --> 00:47:16.440
 in a

00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:16.620
 very

00:47:16.620 --> 00:47:17.320
 sexualised

00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:17.780
 culture

00:47:17.780 --> 00:47:18.480
 and I

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:18.620
 feel

00:47:18.620 --> 00:47:18.960
 for young

00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:19.140
 people

00:47:19.140 --> 00:47:19.460
 particularly

00:47:19.460 --> 00:47:19.599
 there's

00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:19.880
 a real

00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:20.440
 pressure

00:47:20.440 --> 00:47:21.220
 to be

00:47:21.220 --> 00:47:21.480
 in a

00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:21.760
 sexual

00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:22.120
 relationship

00:47:22.120 --> 00:47:22.380
 at a

00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:22.519
 very

00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:22.760
 young

00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:23.160
 age

00:47:23.160 --> 00:47:23.660
 and

00:47:23.660 --> 00:47:23.940
 actually

00:47:23.940 --> 00:47:24.240
 it is

00:47:24.240 --> 00:47:24.480
 not

00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:24.860
 essential

00:47:24.860 --> 00:47:25.420
 to life

00:47:25.420 --> 00:47:25.660
 and I

00:47:25.660 --> 00:47:25.760
 think

00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:26.120
 we need

00:47:26.120 --> 00:47:26.480
 to be

00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:27.320
 shouting

00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:27.599
 that

00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:27.860
 in a

00:47:27.860 --> 00:47:28.079
 sense

00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:28.280
 as

00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:28.740
 Christians

00:47:28.740 --> 00:47:29.620
 remember

00:47:29.620 --> 00:47:29.780
 the

00:47:29.780 --> 00:47:29.940
 Lord

00:47:29.940 --> 00:47:30.280
 Jesus

00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:31.300
 he was

00:47:31.300 --> 00:47:31.500
 the

00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:31.880
 perfect

00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:32.120
 man

00:47:32.120 --> 00:47:32.420
 the most

00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:32.920
 fulfilled

00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:33.260
 man

00:47:33.260 --> 00:47:33.519
 you could

00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:33.680
 ever

00:47:33.680 --> 00:47:33.960
 meet

00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:34.460
 yet

00:47:34.460 --> 00:47:34.579
 he

00:47:34.579 --> 00:47:34.720
 was

00:47:34.720 --> 00:47:34.920
 never

00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:35.320
 married

00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:35.500
 he

00:47:35.500 --> 00:47:35.820
 wasn't

00:47:35.820 --> 00:47:36.079
 in a

00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:36.380
 sexual

00:47:36.380 --> 00:47:36.940
 relationship

00:47:36.940 --> 00:47:37.680
 so

00:47:37.680 --> 00:47:37.820
 it's

00:47:37.820 --> 00:47:38.120
 good news

00:47:38.120 --> 00:47:38.320
 of a

00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:45.480
 what do

00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:45.700
 I mean

00:47:45.700 --> 00:47:46.019
 by that

00:47:46.019 --> 00:47:47.579
 when we

00:47:47.579 --> 00:47:47.960
 become

00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:48.620
 Christians

00:47:48.620 --> 00:47:50.280
 from

00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:50.579
 whatever

00:47:50.579 --> 00:47:51.180
 background

00:47:51.180 --> 00:47:51.800
 we are

00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:52.300
 of course

00:47:52.300 --> 00:47:52.900
 adopted

00:47:52.900 --> 00:47:53.820
 into

00:47:53.820 --> 00:47:54.240
 God's

00:47:54.240 --> 00:47:54.640
 family

00:47:54.640 --> 00:47:55.539
 we become

00:47:55.539 --> 00:47:56.180
 sons

00:47:56.180 --> 00:47:56.920
 and

00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:57.320
 daughters

00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:57.620
 of God

00:47:57.620 --> 00:47:58.000
 well in fact

00:47:58.000 --> 00:47:58.280
 we all

00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:58.640
 become

00:47:58.640 --> 00:47:59.320
 sons

00:47:59.320 --> 00:47:59.680
 of God

00:47:59.680 --> 00:48:00.180
 but I'm

00:48:00.180 --> 00:48:00.460
 not going

00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:00.660
 to go

00:48:00.660 --> 00:48:00.820
 there

00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:01.320
 this evening

00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:02.079
 you can

00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:02.260
 ask

00:48:02.260 --> 00:48:02.519
 Johnny

00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:02.940
 about that

00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:03.200
 he can

00:48:03.200 --> 00:48:03.440
 do a

00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:03.720
 series

00:48:03.720 --> 00:48:04.059
 on why

00:48:04.059 --> 00:48:04.220
 we're

00:48:04.220 --> 00:48:04.400
 all

00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:04.720
 sons

00:48:04.720 --> 00:48:04.920
 of

00:48:04.920 --> 00:48:05.180
 God

00:48:05.180 --> 00:48:05.640
 if he

00:48:05.640 --> 00:48:05.880
 hasn't

00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:06.200
 already

00:48:06.200 --> 00:48:07.180
 but we

00:48:07.180 --> 00:48:07.559
 all are

00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:07.980
 adopted

00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:08.220
 into

00:48:08.220 --> 00:48:08.480
 God's

00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:08.660
 family

00:48:08.660 --> 00:48:09.099
 we all

00:48:09.099 --> 00:48:09.680
 are given

00:48:09.680 --> 00:48:10.519
 the benefits

00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:11.000
 of being

00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:11.640
 a son

00:48:11.640 --> 00:48:12.460
 of God

00:48:12.460 --> 00:48:13.000
 an adopted

00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:13.480
 son of

00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:13.800
 God

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:15.000
 and really

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.080
 this new

00:48:16.080 --> 00:48:16.580
 community

00:48:16.580 --> 00:48:17.100
 ought to be

00:48:17.100 --> 00:48:17.700
 marked out

00:48:17.700 --> 00:48:18.580
 by love

00:48:18.580 --> 00:48:20.039
 and acceptance

00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:21.580
 and burden

00:48:21.580 --> 00:48:22.039
 bearing

00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:22.880
 and deep

00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:23.380
 friendship

00:48:23.380 --> 00:48:24.440
 and support

00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:25.320
 so that when

00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:25.820
 somebody comes

00:48:25.820 --> 00:48:26.300
 into the church

00:48:26.300 --> 00:48:26.780
 from whatever

00:48:26.780 --> 00:48:27.440
 background

00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:28.720
 they are

00:48:28.720 --> 00:48:29.500
 received with

00:48:29.500 --> 00:48:29.700
 love

00:48:29.700 --> 00:48:30.360
 and accepted

00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:31.019
 now when we

00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:31.280
 talk about

00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:31.680
 acceptance

00:48:31.680 --> 00:48:32.120
 I don't mean

00:48:32.120 --> 00:48:32.720
 accepting

00:48:32.720 --> 00:48:34.080
 sinful behaviour

00:48:34.080 --> 00:48:34.539
 but actually

00:48:34.539 --> 00:48:35.200
 at the beginning

00:48:35.200 --> 00:48:35.620
 if you think

00:48:35.620 --> 00:48:35.900
 about it

00:48:35.900 --> 00:48:36.320
 a Christian

00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:36.760
 who comes

00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:37.039
 from one

00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:37.280
 of these

00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:37.560
 kinds

00:48:37.560 --> 00:48:37.700
 of

00:48:37.700 --> 00:48:38.180
 backgrounds

00:48:38.180 --> 00:48:38.900
 is going

00:48:38.900 --> 00:48:39.100
 to have

00:48:39.100 --> 00:48:39.440
 an ongoing

00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:39.840
 struggle

00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:40.280
 they're not

00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:40.500
 going to

00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:40.840
 have a

00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:41.360
 perfect

00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:41.700
 Christian

00:48:41.700 --> 00:48:42.019
 life

00:48:42.019 --> 00:48:42.400
 they are

00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:42.580
 going to

00:48:42.580 --> 00:48:42.740
 have

00:48:42.740 --> 00:48:43.220
 battles

00:48:43.219 --> 00:48:44.000
 and they're

00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:44.159
 going to

00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:44.519
 slip up

00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:44.779
 and they're

00:48:44.779 --> 00:48:44.939
 going to

00:48:44.939 --> 00:48:45.199
 fall

00:48:45.199 --> 00:48:45.480
 and they're

00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:45.659
 going to

00:48:45.659 --> 00:48:45.839
 fail

00:48:45.839 --> 00:48:46.159
 and they're

00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:46.279
 going to

00:48:46.279 --> 00:48:46.759
 need an awful

00:48:46.759 --> 00:48:47.099
 lot of

00:48:47.099 --> 00:48:47.459
 love

00:48:47.459 --> 00:48:48.639
 and patience

00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:49.759
 and encouragement

00:48:49.759 --> 00:48:51.000
 and friendship

00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:51.480
 it's going to be

00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:52.039
 really important

00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:52.379
 if you think

00:48:52.379 --> 00:48:52.679
 about it

00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:53.079
 particularly

00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:53.699
 the Christian

00:48:53.699 --> 00:48:54.619
 who has

00:48:54.619 --> 00:48:54.980
 come from

00:48:54.980 --> 00:48:55.439
 a background

00:48:55.439 --> 00:48:55.819
 of same

00:48:55.819 --> 00:48:56.439
 sex attraction

00:48:56.439 --> 00:48:57.819
 who finds

00:48:57.819 --> 00:48:58.159
 that God

00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:58.719
 doesn't take

00:48:58.719 --> 00:48:59.239
 that away

00:48:59.239 --> 00:48:59.659
 that they

00:48:59.659 --> 00:49:00.299
 don't develop

00:49:00.299 --> 00:49:00.639
 opposite

00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:01.419
 sex attraction

00:49:01.419 --> 00:49:02.919
 they potentially

00:49:02.919 --> 00:49:03.759
 then are

00:49:03.759 --> 00:49:04.639
 facing a life

00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:05.259
 of being

00:49:05.259 --> 00:49:05.659
 single

00:49:05.659 --> 00:49:06.719
 that's the

00:49:06.719 --> 00:49:07.119
 reality

00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:07.819
 let's not

00:49:07.819 --> 00:49:09.119
 hold back

00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:09.519
 about that

00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:10.019
 that is the

00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:11.219
 potential reality

00:49:11.219 --> 00:49:11.719
 for many

00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:12.279
 Christians who

00:49:12.279 --> 00:49:12.679
 struggle in

00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:12.939
 this way

00:49:12.940 --> 00:49:13.280
 they may

00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:13.599
 not be

00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:13.860
 able to

00:49:13.860 --> 00:49:14.340
 get married

00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:15.159
 they may

00:49:15.159 --> 00:49:16.119
 then be

00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:16.519
 facing a

00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:16.800
 life of

00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:17.019
 singleness

00:49:17.019 --> 00:49:17.280
 and they

00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:17.920
 need support

00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:18.519
 and encouragement

00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:19.099
 I think it's

00:49:19.099 --> 00:49:19.639
 really important

00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:20.619
 in fact that the

00:49:20.619 --> 00:49:21.099
 church is very

00:49:21.099 --> 00:49:22.300
 positive about

00:49:22.300 --> 00:49:22.700
 singleness

00:49:22.700 --> 00:49:23.460
 I consider

00:49:23.460 --> 00:49:25.559
 my singleness

00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:26.159
 now to be a

00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:26.700
 gift from God

00:49:26.700 --> 00:49:27.599
 the Bible talks

00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:28.119
 about it in

00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:28.539
 terms of it

00:49:28.539 --> 00:49:29.159
 being a gift

00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:30.119
 I haven't always

00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:30.740
 thought that way

00:49:30.740 --> 00:49:31.639
 it's taken time

00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:32.059
 for me to

00:49:32.059 --> 00:49:33.179
 learn to

00:49:33.179 --> 00:49:34.220
 accept that

00:49:34.220 --> 00:49:34.820
 this is actually

00:49:34.820 --> 00:49:35.039
 a gift

00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:35.480
 it gives me

00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:36.300
 freedom that

00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:36.960
 other Christians

00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:37.659
 don't have

00:49:37.659 --> 00:49:38.320
 freedom in

00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:38.780
 ministry

00:49:38.780 --> 00:49:39.320
 freedom in

00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:39.679
 lots of

00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:40.460
 different ways

00:49:40.460 --> 00:49:41.579
 and I think

00:49:41.579 --> 00:49:41.960
 the church

00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:42.320
 needs to be

00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:43.079
 very positive

00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:44.179
 about singleness

00:49:44.179 --> 00:49:44.960
 and not putting

00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.760
 pressure on people

00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:47.780
 who are single

00:49:47.780 --> 00:49:48.940
 to get married

00:49:48.940 --> 00:49:51.059
 I lost count

00:49:51.059 --> 00:49:51.519
 really the number

00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:52.179
 of times when I

00:49:52.179 --> 00:49:53.019
 first went into

00:49:53.019 --> 00:49:53.980
 Christian ministry

00:49:53.980 --> 00:49:54.420
 in a church

00:49:54.420 --> 00:49:54.860
 and I was a

00:49:54.860 --> 00:49:55.380
 sort of assistant

00:49:55.380 --> 00:49:56.119
 minister and I

00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:56.460
 was in my

00:49:56.460 --> 00:49:57.679
 twenties and

00:49:57.679 --> 00:49:58.099
 people were

00:49:58.099 --> 00:49:58.679
 forever trying to

00:49:58.679 --> 00:49:59.420
 set me up

00:49:59.420 --> 00:50:00.599
 with somebody

00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:01.039
 of the opposite

00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:01.420
 sex

00:50:01.420 --> 00:50:01.900
 and you know

00:50:01.900 --> 00:50:02.420
 if you're single

00:50:02.420 --> 00:50:02.900
 here you know

00:50:02.900 --> 00:50:03.420
 how this works

00:50:03.420 --> 00:50:03.980
 you get invited

00:50:03.980 --> 00:50:04.539
 out to Sunday

00:50:04.539 --> 00:50:04.860
 lunch

00:50:04.860 --> 00:50:05.619
 and there they

00:50:05.619 --> 00:50:05.920
 are they're

00:50:05.920 --> 00:50:06.579
 all lined up

00:50:06.579 --> 00:50:06.840
 aren't they

00:50:06.840 --> 00:50:07.220
 on the opposite

00:50:07.220 --> 00:50:07.659
 side of the

00:50:07.659 --> 00:50:07.900
 table

00:50:07.900 --> 00:50:08.260
 all the

00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:09.019
 eligible people

00:50:09.019 --> 00:50:09.740
 of the

00:50:09.740 --> 00:50:10.400
 opposite sex

00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:10.740
 and it's just

00:50:10.740 --> 00:50:11.139
 the sort of

00:50:11.139 --> 00:50:11.639
 mint sauce

00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:12.039
 and the salt

00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:12.300
 and pepper

00:50:12.300 --> 00:50:12.940
 separating you

00:50:12.940 --> 00:50:13.180
 from this

00:50:13.180 --> 00:50:14.180
 life of bliss

00:50:14.180 --> 00:50:14.760
 and commitment

00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.519
 or as a

00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:17.980
 pastor of course

00:50:17.980 --> 00:50:18.980
 one of the many

00:50:18.980 --> 00:50:19.740
 duties you have

00:50:19.740 --> 00:50:20.280
 as a pastor

00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.539
 is you know

00:50:21.539 --> 00:50:23.280
 conducting funerals

00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:24.300
 and weddings

00:50:24.300 --> 00:50:24.980
 and baby

00:50:24.980 --> 00:50:25.539
 dedications

00:50:25.539 --> 00:50:26.220
 thanksgivings

00:50:26.220 --> 00:50:26.980
 whatever you

00:50:26.980 --> 00:50:27.619
 may call them

00:50:27.619 --> 00:50:28.480
 or as one of

00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:29.019
 my colleagues

00:50:29.019 --> 00:50:29.460
 calls it

00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:30.000
 hatch match

00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:30.500
 and dispatch

00:50:30.500 --> 00:50:30.780
 which I

00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:31.180
 think is not

00:50:31.180 --> 00:50:32.900
 a very nice

00:50:32.900 --> 00:50:33.480
 way to

00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:35.220
 shorthand for it

00:50:35.220 --> 00:50:36.280
 but I remember

00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:36.660
 getting to the

00:50:36.660 --> 00:50:37.079
 stage where as

00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:37.460
 a minister

00:50:37.460 --> 00:50:38.159
 I almost

00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:38.559
 and you may

00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:38.960
 find this a

00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:39.340
 bit warped

00:50:39.340 --> 00:50:39.760
 but bear with

00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:39.920
 me

00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:40.639
 I almost

00:50:40.639 --> 00:50:41.159
 began to

00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:42.500
 prefer taking

00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:43.260
 the funerals

00:50:43.260 --> 00:50:43.659
 and you think

00:50:43.659 --> 00:50:44.059
 what

00:50:44.059 --> 00:50:45.460
 how could any

00:50:45.460 --> 00:50:46.039
 minister prefer

00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:46.559
 to take a funeral

00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:47.340
 well generally

00:50:47.340 --> 00:50:47.880
 because what I

00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:48.400
 used to find at

00:50:48.400 --> 00:50:48.940
 a funeral is that

00:50:48.940 --> 00:50:49.440
 people didn't

00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:50.260
 sidle up to me

00:50:50.260 --> 00:50:50.699
 at the end and

00:50:50.699 --> 00:50:51.139
 say oh

00:50:51.139 --> 00:50:51.900
 Jonathan you

00:50:51.900 --> 00:50:52.699
 could be next

00:50:52.699 --> 00:50:59.780
 have you ever

00:50:59.780 --> 00:51:00.380
 noticed that

00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:01.280
 people don't

00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:02.199
 tend to say

00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:02.599
 that at

00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:03.240
 funerals

00:51:03.240 --> 00:51:06.099
 and ever wondered

00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:06.599
 why

00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.500
 could it be

00:51:08.500 --> 00:51:09.039
 that it would

00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:09.460
 be a little

00:51:09.460 --> 00:51:10.539
 bit insensitive

00:51:10.539 --> 00:51:11.159
 to do that

00:51:11.159 --> 00:51:11.719
 at a funeral

00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:12.960
 well I want

00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:13.319
 to suggest

00:51:13.319 --> 00:51:13.799
 in all seriousness

00:51:13.799 --> 00:51:14.339
 actually it's

00:51:14.339 --> 00:51:14.980
 really insensitive

00:51:14.980 --> 00:51:15.559
 to do it at a

00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:16.179
 wedding too

00:51:16.179 --> 00:51:16.659
 because it

00:51:16.659 --> 00:51:17.299
 actually puts

00:51:17.299 --> 00:51:17.759
 people under

00:51:17.759 --> 00:51:18.079
 pressure

00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:18.779
 and there are

00:51:18.779 --> 00:51:19.119
 lots of

00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:19.679
 I know lots

00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:20.179
 of Christians

00:51:20.179 --> 00:51:21.079
 who are single

00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:22.159
 and they're

00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:22.619
 sort of moving

00:51:22.619 --> 00:51:22.940
 into their

00:51:22.940 --> 00:51:23.400
 twenties and

00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:23.699
 thirties and

00:51:23.699 --> 00:51:24.360
 feeling a real

00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:24.659
 pressure

00:51:24.659 --> 00:51:25.159
 some of them

00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:25.659
 want to be

00:51:25.659 --> 00:51:26.019
 married

00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:26.880
 some of them

00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:28.000
 just haven't

00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:28.480
 found the right

00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:29.079
 person

00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:30.420
 there can be

00:51:30.420 --> 00:51:31.659
 a whole number

00:51:31.659 --> 00:51:32.239
 of reasons why

00:51:32.239 --> 00:51:32.900
 people are not

00:51:32.900 --> 00:51:33.420
 married or why

00:51:33.420 --> 00:51:34.420
 a young person

00:51:34.420 --> 00:51:35.000
 isn't in a

00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:35.440
 relationship

00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:36.240
 and I think

00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:36.559
 if we're

00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:37.139
 constantly putting

00:51:37.139 --> 00:51:37.599
 people under

00:51:37.599 --> 00:51:38.360
 pressure in that

00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:38.960
 way it actually

00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:40.260
 really doesn't

00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:40.760
 help and I

00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:41.300
 think you know

00:51:41.300 --> 00:51:41.720
 I try to

00:51:41.720 --> 00:51:42.280
 encourage younger

00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:42.760
 people look

00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:43.619
 while you're

00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:43.960
 not in a

00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:44.820
 relationship enjoy

00:51:44.820 --> 00:51:45.519
 being single

00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:46.460
 it's an enjoyable

00:51:46.460 --> 00:51:47.159
 time of life

00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:47.780
 it should be an

00:51:47.780 --> 00:51:48.559
 enjoyable time of

00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:49.659
 life so we need

00:51:49.659 --> 00:51:50.220
 to be really

00:51:50.220 --> 00:51:50.860
 positive about

00:51:50.860 --> 00:51:51.260
 singleness if

00:51:51.260 --> 00:51:51.659
 we're going to

00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:52.579
 have this new

00:51:52.579 --> 00:51:53.700
 community we need

00:51:53.700 --> 00:51:54.320
 to recognise that

00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:55.019
 some people within

00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:55.599
 that community and

00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:56.139
 it won't necessarily

00:51:56.139 --> 00:51:56.700
 because they're

00:51:56.700 --> 00:51:57.220
 struggling with

00:51:57.220 --> 00:51:58.019
 same sex attraction

00:51:58.019 --> 00:51:59.019
 could be for a

00:51:59.019 --> 00:51:59.639
 whole host of

00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:00.260
 reasons won't be

00:52:00.260 --> 00:52:00.820
 married some of

00:52:00.820 --> 00:52:01.579
 course will be

00:52:01.579 --> 00:52:02.599
 divorced some will

00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.400
 be widowed and

00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:05.519
 we need to be as

00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:06.460
 welcoming to the

00:52:06.460 --> 00:52:07.200
 single person as

00:52:07.200 --> 00:52:08.200
 we are to the

00:52:08.200 --> 00:52:09.940
 married person so

00:52:09.940 --> 00:52:11.240
 the gospel is good

00:52:11.240 --> 00:52:11.619
 news of a new

00:52:11.619 --> 00:52:12.280
 beginning good news

00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:12.820
 of a new community

00:52:12.820 --> 00:52:13.619
 and finally and very

00:52:13.619 --> 00:52:15.420
 briefly it is good

00:52:15.420 --> 00:52:17.240
 news of a new

00:52:17.240 --> 00:52:19.700
 world when somebody

00:52:19.700 --> 00:52:20.760
 comes to faith in

00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:21.880
 Christ the reality is

00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:22.900
 that we don't know

00:52:22.900 --> 00:52:24.579
 what God may choose

00:52:24.579 --> 00:52:25.579
 to do in that

00:52:25.579 --> 00:52:26.559
 individual's life

00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:30.119
 some people do want

00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:30.860
 to get married they

00:52:30.860 --> 00:52:31.599
 come out of this

00:52:31.599 --> 00:52:32.740
 background of a

00:52:32.739 --> 00:52:33.500
 same sex practice

00:52:33.500 --> 00:52:34.279
 or they may be as

00:52:34.279 --> 00:52:34.899
 a Christian have

00:52:34.899 --> 00:52:36.139
 grown up with a

00:52:36.139 --> 00:52:36.819
 same sex struggle

00:52:36.819 --> 00:52:37.519
 and actually they're

00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:38.179
 longing to be

00:52:38.179 --> 00:52:38.739
 married and I've

00:52:38.739 --> 00:52:40.239
 had the joy of

00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:41.279
 supporting a number

00:52:41.279 --> 00:52:41.979
 of people in fact

00:52:41.979 --> 00:52:42.819
 attending the

00:52:42.819 --> 00:52:43.399
 marriages of a

00:52:43.399 --> 00:52:43.939
 number of people

00:52:43.939 --> 00:52:45.019
 who have had this

00:52:45.019 --> 00:52:46.279
 struggle but have

00:52:46.279 --> 00:52:47.299
 gone on to get

00:52:47.299 --> 00:52:48.379
 married and when I

00:52:48.379 --> 00:52:48.899
 see that happening

00:52:48.899 --> 00:52:49.419
 for me that's

00:52:49.419 --> 00:52:51.019
 fantastic absolutely

00:52:51.019 --> 00:52:51.919
 rejoice when that

00:52:51.919 --> 00:52:52.479
 happens I think of a

00:52:52.479 --> 00:52:53.059
 good friend of mine

00:52:53.059 --> 00:52:54.079
 at Bible college who

00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:55.459
 once vowed to me

00:52:55.459 --> 00:52:56.259
 that he would never

00:52:56.259 --> 00:52:56.879
 be able to get

00:52:56.879 --> 00:52:57.419
 married because of

00:52:57.419 --> 00:52:57.719
 his own so I

00:52:57.719 --> 00:52:58.099
 remember him saying

00:52:58.099 --> 00:52:59.179
 don't worry I'm

00:52:59.179 --> 00:52:59.439
 not going to

00:52:59.439 --> 00:53:00.000
 abandon you I'll

00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:00.599
 always be here for

00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:01.759
 you as a friend I'm

00:53:01.759 --> 00:53:02.199
 never going to be

00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:02.439
 able to get

00:53:02.439 --> 00:53:02.859
 married and he

00:53:02.859 --> 00:53:03.779
 is now married and

00:53:03.779 --> 00:53:04.500
 we are still good

00:53:04.500 --> 00:53:05.599
 friends so that's

00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:06.919
 good as well but I

00:53:06.919 --> 00:53:07.679
 just rejoice with

00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:08.500
 him you know he has

00:53:08.500 --> 00:53:09.359
 had that experience

00:53:09.359 --> 00:53:10.439
 of God transforming

00:53:10.439 --> 00:53:12.219
 his attractions to

00:53:12.219 --> 00:53:12.899
 such an extent that

00:53:12.899 --> 00:53:13.679
 he's been able to go

00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:14.460
 on and get married

00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:15.159
 he has a lovely

00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:16.379
 godly wife knows

00:53:16.379 --> 00:53:16.919
 about his struggle

00:53:16.919 --> 00:53:17.579
 two beautiful

00:53:17.579 --> 00:53:18.799
 children that's

00:53:18.799 --> 00:53:19.779
 absolutely wonderful

00:53:19.779 --> 00:53:21.039
 but that isn't going

00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:22.819
 to be the reality for

00:53:22.819 --> 00:53:24.139
 many people in fact I

00:53:24.139 --> 00:53:25.159
 have to say in my

00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:26.079
 experience it's not the

00:53:26.079 --> 00:53:27.500
 reality for most people

00:53:27.500 --> 00:53:28.599
 who struggle in this

00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:29.779
 way most people are

00:53:29.779 --> 00:53:30.539
 not going to have that

00:53:30.539 --> 00:53:31.460
 experience of finding

00:53:31.460 --> 00:53:31.980
 their sexual

00:53:31.980 --> 00:53:33.380
 attractions changing

00:53:33.380 --> 00:53:34.820
 to such an extent

00:53:34.820 --> 00:53:35.500
 that they'll be able

00:53:35.500 --> 00:53:36.960
 to get married some

00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:37.940
 do and certainly we

00:53:37.940 --> 00:53:38.840
 can pray for people

00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:39.599
 and we can support

00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:40.480
 people but we need to

00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:41.380
 be realistic with

00:53:41.380 --> 00:53:42.360
 people and we

00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:43.280
 certainly need to be

00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:44.519
 careful not to make

00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:45.960
 false promises we

00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:46.800
 cannot promise

00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.340
 someone don't worry

00:53:48.340 --> 00:53:49.820
 God will know God

00:53:49.820 --> 00:53:50.539
 will lead you to

00:53:50.539 --> 00:53:51.159
 someone the opposite

00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:52.019
 sense God will take

00:53:52.019 --> 00:53:53.599
 away those desires we

00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:54.619
 simply don't know

00:53:54.619 --> 00:53:55.519
 that is not a gospel

00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:56.699
 promise and I've

00:53:56.699 --> 00:53:57.599
 sadly had to work with

00:53:57.599 --> 00:53:58.460
 a number of people who

00:53:58.460 --> 00:53:59.400
 are kind of casualties

00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:00.680
 at the side of the

00:54:00.680 --> 00:54:02.160
 Christian road and this

00:54:02.160 --> 00:54:02.920
 is in all kinds of

00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:03.639
 areas actually not just

00:54:03.639 --> 00:54:04.340
 in the area of sexuality

00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:05.139
 where they've been

00:54:05.139 --> 00:54:06.460
 promised that if they

00:54:06.460 --> 00:54:07.900
 have enough faith God

00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:09.280
 will do this or God

00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:10.380
 will take this away and

00:54:10.380 --> 00:54:11.300
 it's very dangerous

00:54:11.300 --> 00:54:12.519
 teaching because that

00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:13.720
 isn't a gospel promise

00:54:13.720 --> 00:54:15.280
 what the gospel does

00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:16.680
 promise and this is the

00:54:16.680 --> 00:54:17.440
 hope that I have and

00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:18.079
 it's the hope that a

00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:19.180
 number of people who

00:54:19.180 --> 00:54:19.820
 struggle in this area

00:54:19.820 --> 00:54:20.420
 have what the gospel

00:54:20.420 --> 00:54:22.460
 does promise is that a

00:54:22.460 --> 00:54:24.139
 day is coming when God

00:54:24.139 --> 00:54:25.000
 is going to rise from

00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:26.700
 his throne and in great

00:54:26.700 --> 00:54:27.619
 glory he's going to say

00:54:27.619 --> 00:54:29.299
 behold I make

00:54:29.299 --> 00:54:31.480
 everything new and on

00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:32.940
 that day we're assured

00:54:32.940 --> 00:54:34.940
 that will all of us if

00:54:34.940 --> 00:54:35.679
 we're trusting in Jesus

00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:37.259
 Christ be new people in

00:54:37.259 --> 00:54:38.719
 a new world and it's a

00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:39.219
 world where there'll be

00:54:39.219 --> 00:54:40.299
 no more sin no more

00:54:40.299 --> 00:54:41.319
 mourning no more death

00:54:41.319 --> 00:54:42.779
 no more crying no more

00:54:42.779 --> 00:54:44.400
 pain for the old order

00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:46.420
 of things will be taken

00:54:46.420 --> 00:54:47.960
 away and on that day

00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:49.480
 every single one of us

00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:50.400
 whatever our particular

00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:51.159
 struggle let's be honest

00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:52.500
 as Christians we all

00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:53.339
 have our struggles here

00:54:53.339 --> 00:54:54.380
 tonight may not be in

00:54:54.380 --> 00:54:55.139
 the area of sexuality

00:54:55.139 --> 00:54:56.139
 it may be in a whole

00:54:56.139 --> 00:54:57.299
 number of different

00:54:57.299 --> 00:54:58.940
 areas but whatever our

00:54:58.940 --> 00:54:59.879
 struggle we will be able

00:54:59.879 --> 00:55:03.039
 to say that my past

00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:04.960
 struggles are simply

00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:06.779
 not worth comparing to

00:55:06.779 --> 00:55:08.500
 the glory now revealed in

00:55:08.500 --> 00:55:09.400
 me and I suggest you

00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:11.339
 that is the great hope of

00:55:11.339 --> 00:55:12.259
 the gospel that is the

00:55:12.259 --> 00:55:13.099
 greatest hope we can

00:55:13.099 --> 00:55:13.839
 have in walking

00:55:13.839 --> 00:55:15.500
 alongside someone who

00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:16.579
 struggles in this way

00:55:16.579 --> 00:55:17.960
 we can be a friend to

00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:19.319
 them now we can reassure

00:55:19.319 --> 00:55:19.920
 them of that new

00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:21.420
 beginning we can welcome

00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:22.379
 them into the new

00:55:22.379 --> 00:55:23.699
 community but ultimately

00:55:23.699 --> 00:55:25.579
 we're assuring them that

00:55:25.579 --> 00:55:26.480
 there is a new world to

00:55:26.480 --> 00:55:27.939
 come when there will be

00:55:27.939 --> 00:55:29.559
 no more struggle of any

00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:31.000
 kind and that I suggest to

00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:32.519
 you is the great hope of

00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.119
 the gospel I have gone

00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:35.500
 beyond my time so I'm going

00:55:35.500 --> 00:55:37.059
 to be quiet now and

00:55:37.059 --> 00:55:37.699
 Johnny you going to come

00:55:37.699 --> 00:55:38.639
 talk about the questions

00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:46.239
 thanks Jonathan we're going

00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:47.859
 to have tea and coffee now

00:55:47.859 --> 00:55:49.579
 served from the hatch and

00:55:49.579 --> 00:55:50.819
 we have gone over time a

00:55:50.820 --> 00:55:52.320
 little bit so if you want a

00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:53.180
 cup of tea and coffee

00:55:53.180 --> 00:55:54.539
 please go and get that

00:55:54.539 --> 00:55:55.500
 quickly if you need the

00:55:55.500 --> 00:55:56.800
 bathrooms use the

00:55:56.800 --> 00:55:58.360
 bathrooms as well but

00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.080
 during this break for 10

00:56:00.080 --> 00:56:02.100
 minutes and if you do have

00:56:02.100 --> 00:56:04.160
 a question and then just

00:56:04.160 --> 00:56:05.280
 simply write it on the

00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:06.200
 piece of paper there are

00:56:06.200 --> 00:56:08.660
 the yellow sticky powder

00:56:08.660 --> 00:56:10.260
 they around there Rob has

00:56:10.260 --> 00:56:12.340
 them at the back and so

00:56:12.340 --> 00:56:13.260
 they'll be at the back there

00:56:13.260 --> 00:56:14.580
 if you have a question just

00:56:14.580 --> 00:56:15.920
 write it on one of those

00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:18.760
 yellow sticky labels and give

00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:20.720
 it to me and then we will

00:56:20.720 --> 00:56:22.060
 put those because some of

00:56:22.060 --> 00:56:23.080
 you might not want to ask

00:56:23.080 --> 00:56:24.420
 questions publicly if you're

00:56:24.420 --> 00:56:25.480
 happy to ask them publicly

00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:27.060
 that's fine but if you have

00:56:27.060 --> 00:56:28.140
 a question just write it on

00:56:28.140 --> 00:56:30.120
 that pad and pass them on to

00:56:30.120 --> 00:56:31.880
 me and we'll go from there

00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:33.500
 so quickly tea and coffee

00:56:33.500 --> 00:56:35.640
 just 10 minute break and I'm

00:56:35.640 --> 00:56:36.420
 going to bring you back

00:56:36.420 --> 00:56:38.380
 prompt to on that thanks

00:56:38.380 --> 00:56:38.480
 thank you

00:56:39.059 --> 00:56:40.699
 thank you

00:56:40.699 --> 00:56:49.159
 thank you

00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.159
 thank you

00:56:52.159 --> 00:56:53.300
 Mike

00:56:53.300 --> 00:57:01.920
 thank you

00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:31.900
 Thank you.

00:57:31.920 --> 00:58:01.900
 Thank you.

00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:31.900
 Thank you.

00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.920
 Thank you.