WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:25.920 Thanks for being here. I'm glad you're here. Caleb's coming around and giving out just a simple handout that has a couple of words on one side of it, some space for notes, and then a similar drawing to what I put up on the board, which I know is hard to see, but hopefully the one on the back of this will serve you better and maybe look something like mine by the time we're done together this evening. 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:45.960 So, baptismal views. I have three goals for this evening. Number one, I want to bring some clarity to the two orthodox views of baptism. 00:00:45.960 --> 00:00:59.740 There's a lot of varied views, little nuanced things out there, but big views understood by those that we would call faithful Christians. 00:01:00.179 --> 00:01:02.260 That's number one. Just bring a bit of clarity to that. 00:01:02.259 --> 00:01:11.539 Secondly, I want to show that hermeneutics, or the way that we read the Bible, drive the varying understandings of baptism. 00:01:11.739 --> 00:01:19.680 So, we're going to back up a bit from the issue of baptism itself to help us see why the conclusion has come to. 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:26.560 Thirdly, to defend in brief the position that our church holds. 00:01:26.900 --> 00:01:34.420 So, I just, I find it impossible to present an entirely fair and balanced view. 00:01:35.240 --> 00:01:40.460 I'm hoping that you will see that Presbyterians are not insane. 00:01:40.800 --> 00:01:44.140 So, Ty's here. Ty's the reason we're having this class tonight. 00:01:44.580 --> 00:01:46.780 Although, I think it's a good thing to do anyway. 00:01:46.780 --> 00:01:53.980 I want to help you see, there is a, or reasons that Ty has come to the conclusion that he's come to. 00:01:54.760 --> 00:02:02.040 Because we want to wrap our minds around, how is it that people who believe a lot of the things that we believe 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:06.020 might differ on something that we also hold to be true. 00:02:06.159 --> 00:02:14.180 So, I want to give a little defense of credo-baptism, but I'm not even going to spend a ton of time on that. 00:02:14.180 --> 00:02:17.260 So, those are my three goals. 00:02:17.439 --> 00:02:18.900 I have two hopes for this evening. 00:02:19.040 --> 00:02:23.620 Number one, that tonight will be the beginning of many fruitful conversations. 00:02:23.819 --> 00:02:29.379 And that's the clarifying word there, that we actually have conversations that are helpful to us and our faith. 00:02:29.980 --> 00:02:33.560 Concerning the ordinance of baptism, tonight will not be enough. 00:02:33.920 --> 00:02:36.300 There's much, much more that could be said. 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:42.860 But perhaps we'll spark and engage you in some great Bible conversation concerning these ordinances. 00:02:43.760 --> 00:02:52.100 Secondly, tonight, that I can help you to disagree agreeably. 00:02:52.099 --> 00:03:01.019 So, wherever you end up landing on this issue, just that you'll see there's reason for us to extend a lot of grace to one another 00:03:01.019 --> 00:03:07.240 as we're trying to navigate matters that aren't always as simple as we'd like for them to be. 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:09.099 So, those are my three goals. 00:03:10.139 --> 00:03:11.039 Those are my two hopes. 00:03:11.379 --> 00:03:15.120 I've got some caveats, but I want to pray that the Lord would help us with those things, 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:16.579 and then we'll proceed together. 00:03:16.699 --> 00:03:17.400 So, let's pray together. 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:24.140 Father God, we do thank you for today, for the opportunity to gather together with the church this morning, 00:03:24.240 --> 00:03:31.400 and the way that you blessed our time together as we prayed and sang and heard your word preached this morning. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.240 We're glad now to be back together. 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:42.180 And Father, I am grateful that we have any concern at all about what your word says about anything at all, 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.819 and we recognize that this is a work of the Spirit on our behalf. 00:03:45.819 --> 00:03:48.039 You have made us alive. 00:03:48.159 --> 00:03:53.519 We were once dead, cared nothing about the things that most concern you, 00:03:53.659 --> 00:03:55.959 and you have saved us. 00:03:56.060 --> 00:04:02.639 And we are so glad this evening that we have any reason at all to open up the word and to think about it 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:07.199 and think about how we can be obedient to it and to please you. 00:04:07.199 --> 00:04:13.759 And so, Father, I pray you'll help me to be clear that we'll have minds that can comprehend this evening, 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:18.180 that you'll help us to be those who disagree agreeably, 00:04:18.500 --> 00:04:26.360 that there will be something distinct about your people when we find ourselves not seeing eye to eye, 00:04:26.419 --> 00:04:30.360 that we do so in a way that even embraces those difference, 00:04:30.539 --> 00:04:33.219 and that we would do that for the glory of Christ. 00:04:33.220 --> 00:04:36.080 And we pray this in His name. Amen. 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:40.620 Okay, so two caveats for this evening. 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.620 So first, and I mentioned this in brief already, 00:04:44.740 --> 00:04:49.520 but everything I will cover this evening could be given much more attention. 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:56.380 Really, when approaching stuff like this, it's not really the way I like to teach. 00:04:56.720 --> 00:05:00.220 I'd much rather have the text and just tell you everything the text says and move on. 00:05:00.220 --> 00:05:06.400 But when you're coming at something like this, there's so much that could be said in the matter of it all. 00:05:06.460 --> 00:05:11.500 So I just thought it best to make every effort to handle it in a single evening, 00:05:11.700 --> 00:05:14.300 just because I know that our schedules are packed, 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:17.520 and many of you don't really need to spend weeks on the matter. 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.160 You don't need books and books presented to you. 00:05:21.700 --> 00:05:23.780 So I've tried to distill it down. 00:05:23.779 --> 00:05:28.459 I've tried to make it as simple and presentable as possible. 00:05:29.079 --> 00:05:31.759 I'm confident I won't do the best job of that. 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:36.339 So just so you know, there are better people who could do a better job of this. 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.819 But maybe because you know me, this will be good. 00:05:39.699 --> 00:05:44.959 Secondly, I'm going to do my best to fairly represent each view. 00:05:45.119 --> 00:05:48.659 But again, I'm just not an expert on the matter. 00:05:48.660 --> 00:05:51.020 So do ask good questions. 00:05:51.280 --> 00:05:52.439 Feel free to ask me questions. 00:05:52.540 --> 00:05:53.900 I'll do my very best to answer them. 00:05:54.680 --> 00:05:56.600 Do study on your own. 00:05:57.540 --> 00:06:01.980 Yeah, let's work toward the truth together and keep us moving. 00:06:02.320 --> 00:06:05.980 I do know the question has been asked if this could be recorded. 00:06:06.140 --> 00:06:09.500 I do think it's being recorded, but we're going to be doing some things on a whiteboard, 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.140 so that may not be super helpful. 00:06:11.139 --> 00:06:14.899 So you might be able to be helpful to others. 00:06:15.539 --> 00:06:19.659 And I would encourage you to engage people in conversations about this very matter. 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:30.300 Be wary of teachers and leaders who want to keep you from entertaining ideas and exploring truth. 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:33.300 It's good, I think, for leaders to warn people like, 00:06:33.379 --> 00:06:37.680 hey, be careful with that, you know, that thing you're listening to or that doctrine of entertaining. 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.959 There are certainly some very dangerous things that need to be shut down. 00:06:42.199 --> 00:06:44.420 But things like this ought to be encouraged. 00:06:44.579 --> 00:06:46.379 Like, yeah, take your time with it. 00:06:46.519 --> 00:06:47.480 Really consider it. 00:06:49.740 --> 00:06:51.540 We're confessional people. 00:06:52.220 --> 00:06:56.879 Confessionalism, I will ongoingly argue for. 00:06:56.960 --> 00:07:01.480 I think it's good for us to say what we think the Bible teaches about things 00:07:01.480 --> 00:07:04.960 and to summarize what we think the Bible teaches about things. 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:10.319 It's a way to help us be faithful and continue to be faithful. 00:07:10.539 --> 00:07:16.079 And so I would rather have people in our church who are confessional. 00:07:16.239 --> 00:07:19.699 They believe something and they know why they believe something. 00:07:19.779 --> 00:07:23.179 I'd rather have that and go through the process, although it can be painful at times, 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:28.699 of weeding through and disagreeing and finding ourselves, I hope, at some agreement at the end. 00:07:28.699 --> 00:07:33.519 I'd rather go through all of that process and have people know, for example, in this case, 00:07:33.779 --> 00:07:39.420 why you're a Baptist versus just kind of going along with it because it's how you grew up 00:07:39.420 --> 00:07:41.399 and it's what you know and you just kind of boop-a-doo. 00:07:41.659 --> 00:07:46.180 And there's peace because you don't say anything at all, but you don't really know what you believe. 00:07:46.860 --> 00:07:50.379 I think it's important for us to know what we believe and to be able to defend what we believe. 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.339 And, of course, to do so with a great deal of charity. 00:07:54.339 --> 00:07:56.399 So, all right. 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:58.879 So let's begin with some definition of terms. 00:07:59.019 --> 00:08:02.359 Now, I regret I had already pressed copy on this thing and realized, 00:08:02.459 --> 00:08:03.639 uh-uh, that's not the best way to do this. 00:08:03.739 --> 00:08:06.560 So there's three things I want to define for you just in brief. 00:08:07.699 --> 00:08:08.500 Pado-baptism. 00:08:09.939 --> 00:08:12.679 Credo or credo, you'll hear some people say. 00:08:12.719 --> 00:08:15.139 And some people also say pedo-baptism, which just irks me. 00:08:15.299 --> 00:08:16.159 So, pedo-baptism. 00:08:17.139 --> 00:08:19.319 I'm going to say credo-baptism. 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:24.019 And then I realized that covenantalism, I made it look like this is a third view of baptism 00:08:24.019 --> 00:08:24.659 and it's not. 00:08:24.959 --> 00:08:29.039 We're going to talk about covenantalism to help us understand the other two views. 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:32.299 So I just regret that looking like it's not a baptismal view. 00:08:32.460 --> 00:08:35.699 So I just want to be clear on that as we start to get into this. 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.019 So, pedo-baptism. 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:43.000 First, it's derived from the Greek pais, child. 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.519 So it means child baptism specifically. 00:08:47.659 --> 00:08:51.039 Anglicans, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Methodists, Episcopalians. 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:55.899 There's a lot of faith traditions that are pedo-baptist. 00:08:56.659 --> 00:09:00.939 Not my intention to denigrate any practitioners of pedo-baptism. 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:07.799 Some of the aforementioned denominations do so, though, merely for tradition's sake. 00:09:08.099 --> 00:09:10.159 They don't know why they do what they do. 00:09:10.899 --> 00:09:16.059 Some do so erroneously, believing doctrines like baptismal regeneration. 00:09:16.059 --> 00:09:20.359 There's some really, like, off-the-wall baptism stuff. 00:09:20.819 --> 00:09:23.899 We're not addressing every single view of baptism tonight. 00:09:24.019 --> 00:09:25.779 There's no scope for that this evening. 00:09:25.859 --> 00:09:28.079 So if you came for that, I do apologize. 00:09:29.479 --> 00:09:33.359 We're not going to be addressing the heretical pedo-baptist views this evening. 00:09:33.899 --> 00:09:38.419 Those that deny justification by grace through faith in Christ alone. 00:09:38.419 --> 00:09:43.099 The view I want to explain this evening is a wide-held view. 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:50.120 Many who hold it do so out of an earnest desire to please the Lord by being faithful to His Word. 00:09:50.479 --> 00:09:55.599 So, I do think pedo-baptism is an error. 00:09:56.219 --> 00:09:59.099 But there's some comfort in the fact that it's an ancient error. 00:09:59.100 --> 00:10:03.420 There's been faithful Christians throughout time who have believed this, 00:10:03.560 --> 00:10:08.000 but also believe that we're justified by grace through faith in Christ alone. 00:10:08.100 --> 00:10:13.180 That's who I'm talking about this evening when I say pedo-baptists. 00:10:13.180 --> 00:10:17.300 It's those whom we agree with on primary doctrine. 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:19.139 So that's who I'm talking about. 00:10:19.779 --> 00:10:22.320 But do know that when you use that term, 00:10:22.620 --> 00:10:27.980 there's also a lot of other stuff going on in that bigger and broader category. 00:10:27.980 --> 00:10:32.820 Now, to be clear, the name can be a little misleading 00:10:32.820 --> 00:10:36.259 because all pedo-baptists, that I know of. 00:10:36.440 --> 00:10:37.700 You may correct me. I may be wrong. 00:10:37.820 --> 00:10:42.120 But I believe all pedo-baptists believe in believer's baptism. 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:47.200 That is to say, they believe that if a person was not baptized as an infant, 00:10:47.860 --> 00:10:51.340 comes to faith in Christ as an adult, then they should be baptized. 00:10:51.800 --> 00:10:56.279 So, it's a little misleading because it would make you think that they only baptized children. 00:10:56.279 --> 00:10:58.019 But that's not the case. 00:10:58.220 --> 00:11:01.240 If you come to faith as an adult and you were not baptized as a child, 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:04.699 they all agree that you then should be baptized. 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.399 The distinguishing factor is whether or not a child should be baptized. 00:11:09.860 --> 00:11:11.860 Who is the proper recipient? 00:11:12.899 --> 00:11:17.419 They would say those adults who profess faith in Christ and their children. 00:11:17.419 --> 00:11:18.699 So, there's the term. 00:11:19.500 --> 00:11:20.659 Pedo-baptism. 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:21.719 Or pedo. 00:11:22.500 --> 00:11:27.819 Credo-baptism comes from the Latin credo or I believe. 00:11:28.299 --> 00:11:32.259 So, as a church, as a whole, we are credo-baptists. 00:11:33.019 --> 00:11:38.439 I want you to know that there are credo-baptistic practices that I do not agree with. 00:11:38.539 --> 00:11:41.459 So, again, we have this broad categorical term, 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:46.320 and there's things that happen under that banner that I do not agree with. 00:11:47.060 --> 00:11:50.460 An example of this that's happening in the Southern Baptist Convention right now 00:11:50.460 --> 00:11:52.800 is called spontaneous baptism. 00:11:53.500 --> 00:11:55.320 And they will just set up the tank, 00:11:55.420 --> 00:11:57.040 and all you have to do is line up, 00:11:57.379 --> 00:12:00.980 and they'll put a cool t-shirt on you with their church logo on it 00:12:00.980 --> 00:12:03.460 and film the whole thing to be broadcast on the internet 00:12:03.460 --> 00:12:07.940 and count the numbers and then write the books and do all the other things. 00:12:07.940 --> 00:12:11.940 I think this is not a good practice at all. 00:12:12.020 --> 00:12:14.260 And I'm not defending that kind of a practice. 00:12:14.780 --> 00:12:18.180 Just because somebody claims to be a credo-baptist 00:12:18.180 --> 00:12:21.780 doesn't necessarily mean I agree with what they're up to. 00:12:22.800 --> 00:12:25.440 We hold that the only proper recipients of baptism 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:31.080 are those who have made credible professions of faith in Jesus Christ. 00:12:31.160 --> 00:12:33.480 And there's a lot that could be debated and talked about. 00:12:33.600 --> 00:12:34.960 How do you determine that? 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:36.460 We won't get into that this evening. 00:12:36.460 --> 00:12:37.720 But just simply put, 00:12:39.040 --> 00:12:41.000 we believe that those who should be baptized 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.840 are those who make credible professions of faith in Jesus Christ. 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.200 And so this evening, when I say credo-baptist, 00:12:48.400 --> 00:12:52.940 it is to those with whom we agree closely on the doctrine at hand 00:12:52.940 --> 00:12:55.240 that I am referring to. 00:12:55.300 --> 00:12:59.160 So not the erroneous stuff out there at the edges. 00:12:59.540 --> 00:13:02.220 So those are the two positions that we're going to look at this evening. 00:13:02.220 --> 00:13:06.519 You're probably in some measure familiar with them already. 00:13:07.019 --> 00:13:11.980 However, to help you, particularly when it comes to pedo-baptism, 00:13:12.060 --> 00:13:13.720 to understand the position, 00:13:14.160 --> 00:13:16.519 we need to talk a bit about covenantalism. 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.220 So that's where covenantalism comes into this conversation. 00:13:20.220 --> 00:13:27.060 So covenantalism can be set against dispensationalism. 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:29.440 And I'm not going to explain all of that to you, 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.320 but we are not, as a church, dispensationalists. 00:13:33.399 --> 00:13:37.759 Dispensationalists believe that people were saved in different ages. 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:41.539 That's what a dispensation is, in different ways. 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:45.500 And that's an over-reduction of the terminology. 00:13:45.879 --> 00:13:50.360 But we distinguish ourselves from dispensationalists, 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:52.919 and that's kind of the water we swim in in American Christianity, 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.039 just so that you're aware. 00:13:55.179 --> 00:13:59.759 A lot of stuff, a lot of understandings come out of dispensationalism. 00:14:00.059 --> 00:14:03.200 But we, instead, are covenantalists. 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:07.460 Our church, as a total, as a whole, we're covenantalists. 00:14:07.780 --> 00:14:09.700 But there's some different types, 00:14:10.280 --> 00:14:13.400 some different varieties of covenantalism. 00:14:13.820 --> 00:14:16.520 So three, I want to share with you, briefly. 00:14:17.420 --> 00:14:21.680 The first is Westminster federalism. 00:14:22.280 --> 00:14:24.440 Westminster federalism. 00:14:25.020 --> 00:14:28.520 And that is to say, this is from the Westminster Confession, 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:32.900 federalism just speaks to the fact that Adam was our federal head, 00:14:32.899 --> 00:14:37.379 and now Christ is our federal head if we're found in him. 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:43.860 This is also often called Reformed Covenantalism. 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:47.039 And that's probably the term I'll use this evening. 00:14:48.679 --> 00:14:50.620 Westminster federalism is a mouthful. 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:53.399 So is Reformed Covenantalism. 00:14:53.659 --> 00:14:55.500 But, Reformed Covenantalism. 00:14:55.740 --> 00:14:58.740 So it's been rightly said of Baptists 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:02.700 that it's difficult for us to use the term Reformed. 00:15:02.899 --> 00:15:03.680 And I agree. 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:06.560 I honestly don't think it's the best term for us. 00:15:07.299 --> 00:15:09.899 Often what we'll do is we'll call ourselves Reformed Baptists 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:12.940 because we're making that distinguishing point there. 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:17.759 But largely, the covenantalism of the Reformation 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.960 was what we call Westminster Federalism 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:22.700 or Reformed Covenantalism. 00:15:22.700 --> 00:15:23.220 Covenantalism. 00:15:23.280 --> 00:15:23.940 We're going to get into it. 00:15:24.020 --> 00:15:27.060 That's what this diagram here is going to look like. 00:15:27.280 --> 00:15:31.220 So we're going to go there here in just a minute. 00:15:31.400 --> 00:15:34.759 So it's all stemming out of 17th century writing 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:35.759 Westminster Federalism. 00:15:36.680 --> 00:15:40.200 The second one is 1689 Federalism. 00:15:40.879 --> 00:15:45.040 1689 refers to the Second London Baptist Confession. 00:15:47.740 --> 00:15:49.680 1689 Federalism. 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:52.439 And yep, that's the official term for it. 00:15:52.539 --> 00:15:53.639 They have not come up with anything 00:15:53.639 --> 00:15:56.239 catchier than that. 00:15:58.839 --> 00:16:02.899 And that is a Baptistic Covenantalism. 00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:06.599 And then the third, 00:16:07.599 --> 00:16:09.359 which we're not going to talk about in detail tonight, 00:16:09.439 --> 00:16:11.620 but it's Progressive Covenantalism. 00:16:14.620 --> 00:16:17.120 Progressive Covenantalism is not really 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:20.580 too far apart from 1689 Federalism. 00:16:20.779 --> 00:16:22.320 This is a thing I've been discovering 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:25.080 as your elders are having a lot of conversations 00:16:25.080 --> 00:16:29.019 about 1689 Federalism versus Progressive Covenantalism. 00:16:29.500 --> 00:16:31.960 And I'm finding only in some small applications 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:33.320 is there really much difference at all 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:34.840 between the two views. 00:16:35.220 --> 00:16:36.600 So both Baptistic, 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:40.379 so we're going to talk 1689 Federalism tonight. 00:16:40.500 --> 00:16:41.240 I may make some, 00:16:41.860 --> 00:16:43.399 this is not all noted, 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.079 so I may make some off-the-wall comments 00:16:46.079 --> 00:16:48.959 addressing Progressive Covenantalism as well. 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:51.919 But that's where we're coming from 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:53.039 as a Baptist church, 00:16:53.259 --> 00:16:55.459 is at least one of these two 00:16:55.459 --> 00:16:57.319 covenantal views. 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:00.019 So ways that we read the Scripture. 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:01.779 Okay? 00:17:02.539 --> 00:17:04.059 So Westminster Federalism, 00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:05.619 1689 Federalism, 00:17:06.339 --> 00:17:07.299 Progressive Covenantalism. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.639 I'll stop there for just a quick second. 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:11.039 Does anybody have any questions 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:11.740 that are not like, 00:17:11.899 --> 00:17:13.779 what is 1689 Federalism? 00:17:14.779 --> 00:17:16.399 I set the trajectory for you already, 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:16.839 I hope. 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:17.159 So, 00:17:17.599 --> 00:17:18.079 anybody have any, 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:19.839 am I flying over anything 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:20.859 that anybody's repeated? 00:17:20.859 --> 00:17:21.180 Or, 00:17:21.180 --> 00:17:25.639 yes, my love. 00:17:26.399 --> 00:17:27.799 Well, I'm worried about asking it 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:28.899 because the example you just gave 00:17:28.899 --> 00:17:29.759 is similar to the question 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:30.480 I'm about to ask, 00:17:30.659 --> 00:17:31.980 but is there a way 00:17:31.980 --> 00:17:33.519 to like just really quickly 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:34.700 define Progressive, 00:17:34.879 --> 00:17:36.700 I know that the last one you said, 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:36.879 like, 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:37.859 because I know that's very similar 00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:38.480 to what you just said. 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:40.539 Is there anything that like, 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:41.599 just if you ever try to write 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:42.680 like a little bit of a definition, 00:17:42.900 --> 00:17:43.539 like a quick one, 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:44.860 that would set it apart 00:17:44.860 --> 00:17:45.519 from the other two? 00:17:46.700 --> 00:17:46.860 Like, 00:17:46.920 --> 00:17:47.680 no taking any. 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:48.319 No. 00:17:48.740 --> 00:17:48.980 Okay. 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:51.880 They're, 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:51.839 they're, 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:53.259 they're real similar. 00:17:53.420 --> 00:17:53.539 So, 00:17:53.700 --> 00:17:53.960 I'll, 00:17:54.480 --> 00:17:54.759 the, 00:17:55.220 --> 00:17:56.880 I actually think 00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:58.079 that they're so similar, 00:17:58.640 --> 00:17:59.940 except in a couple of applications, 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:01.299 they, 00:18:01.360 --> 00:18:02.880 they just use language differently. 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:03.420 Okay. 00:18:03.700 --> 00:18:03.920 So, 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:04.860 it's not, 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:05.380 it's not something 00:18:05.380 --> 00:18:06.160 to be too fussed about. 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:07.000 In fact, 00:18:07.060 --> 00:18:07.600 in my notes, 00:18:07.700 --> 00:18:09.040 I've got 1689 federalism 00:18:09.040 --> 00:18:09.640 and then as a, 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:10.300 as a sub, 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:11.400 as a sub category, 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:12.720 I have Progressive Covenantalism 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:13.820 just as like a, 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:15.300 also this. 00:18:15.740 --> 00:18:16.200 Yeah. 00:18:16.980 --> 00:18:17.240 I, 00:18:17.259 --> 00:18:17.640 I think, 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:18.480 I think we'll find 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:19.240 that they agree 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:20.900 on just about everything. 00:18:21.320 --> 00:18:21.420 So, 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:23.460 okay. 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:26.240 Anything else? 00:18:27.220 --> 00:18:27.440 Yes, 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:27.600 Lynn. 00:18:27.600 --> 00:18:28.120 Do you think 00:18:28.120 --> 00:18:31.000 you just have to do 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:31.800 the tie-in 00:18:31.800 --> 00:18:32.120 to the 00:18:32.120 --> 00:18:34.019 part of? 00:18:34.060 --> 00:18:34.460 Yes. 00:18:34.460 --> 00:18:35.579 Yeah, 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:37.000 I said that super fast, 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:37.480 but I said, 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:38.340 how we read the Bible. 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:38.640 Yeah. 00:18:38.940 --> 00:18:39.100 So, 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:39.759 so how, 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:41.860 as covenantalists, 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:43.720 which we should be, 00:18:44.180 --> 00:18:44.400 right? 00:18:44.500 --> 00:18:44.779 It's good, 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:45.980 good for us not to think 00:18:45.980 --> 00:18:47.460 that people were saved 00:18:47.460 --> 00:18:48.920 differently at different times, 00:18:48.980 --> 00:18:49.220 right? 00:18:49.259 --> 00:18:50.000 So that's, 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:50.460 the big, 00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:51.380 the big overarching, 00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:51.759 and again, 00:18:51.779 --> 00:18:52.420 it's more complicated 00:18:52.420 --> 00:18:52.660 than, 00:18:52.819 --> 00:18:54.220 than I'm making that out to be, 00:18:54.279 --> 00:18:54.660 but is that, 00:18:54.980 --> 00:18:56.180 that people have 00:18:56.180 --> 00:18:58.380 always been saved 00:18:58.380 --> 00:18:59.920 the same way. 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:00.600 There's not 00:19:00.600 --> 00:19:02.100 multiple ways 00:19:02.100 --> 00:19:02.779 in which 00:19:02.779 --> 00:19:03.559 people are saved. 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:05.099 there are dispensationalists 00:19:05.099 --> 00:19:06.399 today that still believe 00:19:06.399 --> 00:19:07.500 that ethnic Jews 00:19:07.500 --> 00:19:08.619 are going to be saved 00:19:08.619 --> 00:19:10.019 differently than the rest 00:19:10.019 --> 00:19:10.839 of the world. 00:19:11.579 --> 00:19:12.839 My father was sharing with me, 00:19:12.859 --> 00:19:13.599 I was talking a little bit 00:19:13.599 --> 00:19:15.559 about some of these views, 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:16.759 and my dad, 00:19:16.819 --> 00:19:17.460 when he worked at the 00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:18.579 North American Mission Board, 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.319 was making the case, 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:21.099 just the really good, 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:22.359 honest case, 00:19:22.359 --> 00:19:23.440 that we ought to be doing 00:19:23.440 --> 00:19:24.259 more evangelism 00:19:24.259 --> 00:19:25.240 amongst Jewish people. 00:19:26.159 --> 00:19:26.579 And he said, 00:19:26.619 --> 00:19:27.220 I kept getting just 00:19:27.220 --> 00:19:28.379 odd answers, 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:29.419 and I just never, 00:19:29.519 --> 00:19:29.639 like, 00:19:29.639 --> 00:19:30.940 it's like they didn't, 00:19:31.139 --> 00:19:31.960 it felt like they didn't 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:32.799 like Jewish people, 00:19:32.819 --> 00:19:33.640 but it's like they were weird 00:19:33.640 --> 00:19:34.840 about whether or not 00:19:34.840 --> 00:19:35.539 we should share the gospel 00:19:35.539 --> 00:19:36.200 with Jewish people. 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:36.860 I said, 00:19:37.259 --> 00:19:38.579 that was dispensationalism, 00:19:38.640 --> 00:19:39.120 that play. 00:19:39.819 --> 00:19:40.720 They were going, 00:19:40.819 --> 00:19:41.500 I don't know 00:19:41.500 --> 00:19:42.420 that we're supposed to. 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:42.940 I think we're supposed 00:19:42.940 --> 00:19:43.880 to leave them alone 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:45.200 because God's got 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:46.880 a specific way 00:19:46.880 --> 00:19:47.860 that he's going to save them 00:19:47.860 --> 00:19:49.860 different than 00:19:49.860 --> 00:19:50.779 through faith in Christ. 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:52.019 And we would just 00:19:52.019 --> 00:19:53.019 flatly reject that. 00:19:53.100 --> 00:19:53.220 Like, 00:19:53.299 --> 00:19:53.500 no, 00:19:53.579 --> 00:19:53.840 no, 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:54.940 just read the book 00:19:54.940 --> 00:19:55.319 of Romans, 00:19:55.380 --> 00:19:55.500 right? 00:19:55.500 --> 00:19:55.660 Like, 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:56.740 we would just reject it. 00:19:56.740 --> 00:19:56.940 So, 00:19:58.299 --> 00:19:59.480 yes, 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:00.799 but the way 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.400 you understand, 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:03.519 and I'm going to show you 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:04.539 the difference here 00:20:04.539 --> 00:20:04.960 in a moment, 00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:07.759 brings you 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:08.779 to some conclusions, 00:20:09.740 --> 00:20:10.519 whether 00:20:10.519 --> 00:20:11.539 Paedo or 00:20:11.539 --> 00:20:12.240 Credo Baptist 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:12.880 conclusions. 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:13.400 00:20:13.660 --> 00:20:13.839 yeah. 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:14.160 So, 00:20:14.359 --> 00:20:15.000 I found, 00:20:16.279 --> 00:20:16.900 and I've 00:20:16.900 --> 00:20:17.859 studied this 00:20:17.859 --> 00:20:18.559 to some degree, 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:19.180 but especially 00:20:19.180 --> 00:20:20.019 in starting to have 00:20:20.019 --> 00:20:20.480 good conversations 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:21.000 with Ty, 00:20:21.140 --> 00:20:21.400 going, 00:20:21.700 --> 00:20:22.180 oh, 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:23.079 okay. 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:24.279 Because for a lot 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:24.559 of years, 00:20:24.599 --> 00:20:25.799 I was very frustrated 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:27.279 by the Paedo Baptist 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:28.279 argument. 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:29.619 And I'm going, 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:30.159 okay, 00:20:30.379 --> 00:20:30.500 like, 00:20:30.579 --> 00:20:32.240 I get why you get there. 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:33.139 And that's what my hope 00:20:33.139 --> 00:20:33.740 for you tonight 00:20:33.740 --> 00:20:34.779 is to kind of give you 00:20:34.779 --> 00:20:35.819 like my version of it. 00:20:35.980 --> 00:20:36.200 Like, 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:36.659 oh, 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:37.139 okay, 00:20:37.180 --> 00:20:37.960 I get why you get there. 00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:39.819 It makes more sense 00:20:39.819 --> 00:20:40.460 to me now, 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:41.980 although I still disagree, 00:20:42.180 --> 00:20:42.919 but it makes more sense. 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:43.200 So, 00:20:43.919 --> 00:20:44.119 yeah. 00:20:44.779 --> 00:20:45.079 Okay, 00:20:45.539 --> 00:20:46.519 so let's launch into it. 00:20:46.759 --> 00:20:47.379 Are you ready? 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:48.539 All right, 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:48.819 so, 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:50.559 I feel like, 00:20:50.639 --> 00:20:51.119 this is not a thing 00:20:51.119 --> 00:20:51.919 I normally do, 00:20:51.980 --> 00:20:52.619 so bear with me 00:20:52.619 --> 00:20:54.659 as I try to write 00:20:54.659 --> 00:20:55.200 and talk 00:20:55.200 --> 00:20:56.580 and pull this off 00:20:56.580 --> 00:20:57.160 at the same time. 00:20:58.319 --> 00:20:59.600 I have never been 00:20:59.600 --> 00:21:00.340 a seminary professor, 00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:01.680 so we're going to try 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:02.779 to make this happen. 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:03.860 So on the back of your sheet, 00:21:03.980 --> 00:21:05.620 you have the two things 00:21:05.620 --> 00:21:06.220 that I've drawn 00:21:06.220 --> 00:21:07.559 minus a couple 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:08.759 of little details. 00:21:08.900 --> 00:21:09.160 And so, 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:09.920 I'm just going to let you 00:21:09.920 --> 00:21:10.519 write in 00:21:10.519 --> 00:21:11.200 and keep up 00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:12.440 with what you want 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:13.220 to pull off 00:21:13.220 --> 00:21:14.720 as you do it. 00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:14.940 Okay? 00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:15.580 So, 00:21:16.100 --> 00:21:17.180 we're going to talk 00:21:17.180 --> 00:21:18.200 specifically about 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:19.279 Westminster Federalism, 00:21:19.420 --> 00:21:20.740 Reformed Covenantalism, 00:21:20.740 --> 00:21:22.039 which is this top line 00:21:22.039 --> 00:21:23.539 up here 00:21:23.539 --> 00:21:24.480 first. 00:21:24.480 --> 00:21:25.880 And what 00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:27.519 this view sees 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:28.259 in the Scripture 00:21:28.259 --> 00:21:29.860 is two 00:21:29.860 --> 00:21:31.620 overarching 00:21:31.620 --> 00:21:32.819 covenants. 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:33.519 Okay? 00:21:33.700 --> 00:21:34.539 So just real quick, 00:21:34.599 --> 00:21:35.640 when I say the word covenant, 00:21:35.779 --> 00:21:37.099 what pops in your mind? 00:21:38.819 --> 00:21:39.299 Marriage. 00:21:41.860 --> 00:21:42.079 Sure. 00:21:42.420 --> 00:21:43.099 Did Abraham a covenant? 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:44.339 What else? 00:21:45.299 --> 00:21:45.700 Agreement. 00:21:46.860 --> 00:21:47.579 An agreement. 00:21:47.819 --> 00:21:48.200 An agreement. 00:21:48.200 --> 00:21:48.420 Okay. 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:48.860 Yep. 00:21:49.660 --> 00:21:50.579 Maybe you have a deep, 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:51.700 a deep promise 00:21:51.700 --> 00:21:52.460 kind of an agreement. 00:21:52.460 --> 00:21:52.779 Yeah, 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:53.220 sure. 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:54.440 But you're popping on those, 00:21:54.539 --> 00:21:55.279 there's things in the Bible 00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:55.500 where you're like, 00:21:55.539 --> 00:21:55.620 oh, 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:56.120 that's a covenant, 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:56.680 that's a covenant, 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:57.480 the Abrahamic covenant, 00:21:57.640 --> 00:21:58.460 the Noahic covenant, 00:21:58.819 --> 00:21:59.680 the Davidic covenant, 00:22:00.019 --> 00:22:00.860 those types of things. 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:03.640 Covenantalism, 00:22:04.059 --> 00:22:04.539 particularly, 00:22:05.100 --> 00:22:05.900 the two we're going to 00:22:05.900 --> 00:22:06.519 talk about tonight, 00:22:06.980 --> 00:22:08.640 see two overarching 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:09.920 covenants. 00:22:10.220 --> 00:22:11.019 There's the covenant 00:22:11.019 --> 00:22:12.700 of works. 00:22:12.700 --> 00:22:13.900 So this, 00:22:13.980 --> 00:22:15.380 this is my creation line 00:22:15.380 --> 00:22:15.840 right here. 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:19.559 This is my fall 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:22.880 line there. 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:24.759 And here you have the 00:22:26.759 --> 00:22:31.600 covenant of works. 00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:32.340 Okay? 00:22:33.140 --> 00:22:33.660 So, 00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:35.640 Adam and Eve, 00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:36.299 right, 00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:38.880 created both able to sin 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:40.900 and able to not sin. 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:43.440 We're given commands, 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:44.160 right? 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.220 So Adam's put in the garden 00:22:45.220 --> 00:22:47.259 to work it and to keep it. 00:22:47.680 --> 00:22:49.400 He's told one thing 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:50.220 that he cannot do 00:22:50.220 --> 00:22:51.960 that we have a record of. 00:22:52.019 --> 00:22:52.940 This is Genesis 2, 00:22:53.019 --> 00:22:54.900 verses 15 through 17. 00:22:55.900 --> 00:22:57.000 The Lord God took the man, 00:22:57.100 --> 00:22:57.900 put him in the garden of Eden 00:22:57.900 --> 00:22:59.080 to work it and keep it. 00:22:59.120 --> 00:22:59.660 And the Lord God 00:22:59.660 --> 00:23:00.640 commanded the man saying, 00:23:00.740 --> 00:23:01.320 you may surely eat 00:23:01.320 --> 00:23:02.420 of every tree of the garden, 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:03.560 but of the tree 00:23:03.560 --> 00:23:04.019 of the knowledge 00:23:04.019 --> 00:23:04.600 of good and evil 00:23:04.600 --> 00:23:05.480 you shall not eat 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:06.259 for in the day 00:23:06.259 --> 00:23:07.440 that you eat of it 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:09.160 you shall surely die. 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:09.640 Right? 00:23:09.880 --> 00:23:10.759 So there's the covenant 00:23:10.759 --> 00:23:12.440 of works, 00:23:12.519 --> 00:23:12.660 right? 00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:13.720 He could have, 00:23:13.759 --> 00:23:14.660 he could have stayed 00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:16.660 in good condition 00:23:16.660 --> 00:23:18.240 with his God 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:18.740 in the place 00:23:18.740 --> 00:23:19.460 in which he lived 00:23:19.460 --> 00:23:21.019 had he done 00:23:21.019 --> 00:23:22.360 what he was supposed 00:23:22.360 --> 00:23:23.000 to do. 00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:23.640 Right? 00:23:23.860 --> 00:23:24.460 So this is the covenant 00:23:24.460 --> 00:23:25.380 of works. 00:23:25.840 --> 00:23:27.880 And it all falls apart, 00:23:28.080 --> 00:23:28.480 right, 00:23:28.740 --> 00:23:30.080 when Eve and then Adam 00:23:30.080 --> 00:23:31.700 disobey. 00:23:32.060 --> 00:23:32.220 Right? 00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:33.279 So Westminster 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:34.960 federalism starts 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:35.380 with Adam 00:23:35.380 --> 00:23:36.279 as our representative, 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:36.740 right? 00:23:36.740 --> 00:23:37.620 all of us now 00:23:37.620 --> 00:23:39.079 guilty in him 00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:40.620 for his sin. 00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:41.559 Okay? 00:23:44.120 --> 00:23:45.059 After this, 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:46.299 so everything 00:23:46.299 --> 00:23:47.640 from this line, 00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:49.359 so I'll draw it up here, 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:51.779 and on, 00:23:53.779 --> 00:23:55.000 it's called 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:55.440 the covenant 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:56.380 of grace. 00:23:56.380 --> 00:24:03.820 everything 00:24:03.820 --> 00:24:05.260 happening after this, 00:24:05.320 --> 00:24:05.780 the covenant 00:24:05.780 --> 00:24:07.920 of grace. 00:24:08.060 --> 00:24:09.060 And we find 00:24:09.060 --> 00:24:10.480 the expression 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:11.480 of this covenant 00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:13.200 in Genesis chapter 3, 00:24:13.780 --> 00:24:15.000 verse 15. 00:24:19.780 --> 00:24:20.480 Anyone just know 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:21.020 off the top of their head 00:24:21.020 --> 00:24:21.640 what that verse is? 00:24:22.280 --> 00:24:23.100 It's a big one. 00:24:23.099 --> 00:24:25.219 often called 00:24:25.219 --> 00:24:26.939 the proto-euangelion. 00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:29.500 I will put 00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:29.859 enmity 00:24:29.859 --> 00:24:30.699 between you 00:24:30.699 --> 00:24:31.519 and the woman 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:32.659 and between your 00:24:32.659 --> 00:24:33.139 offspring 00:24:33.139 --> 00:24:34.359 and her offspring. 00:24:35.019 --> 00:24:36.159 He shall bruise 00:24:36.159 --> 00:24:36.740 your head 00:24:36.740 --> 00:24:37.899 and you shall 00:24:37.899 --> 00:24:38.359 bruise 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:39.359 his heel. 00:24:39.879 --> 00:24:39.939 Right? 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:41.159 This is the very first, 00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:41.839 right, 00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.179 shadowed 00:24:43.179 --> 00:24:43.939 proclamation 00:24:43.939 --> 00:24:45.019 of the 00:24:45.019 --> 00:24:46.240 coming of Christ. 00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:46.939 He's going to come. 00:24:47.059 --> 00:24:47.859 He's the snake crusher, 00:24:47.959 --> 00:24:48.119 right? 00:24:48.139 --> 00:24:48.719 We use that language 00:24:48.719 --> 00:24:49.279 with our 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:50.399 kiddos 00:24:50.399 --> 00:24:51.539 quite a bit. 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:52.179 Right? 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:53.799 So the covenant 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:54.940 of grace 00:24:54.940 --> 00:24:56.240 is given 00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:57.920 in Genesis chapter 3 00:24:57.920 --> 00:24:59.640 and verse 15 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:01.299 in this view 00:25:01.299 --> 00:25:03.480 and then 00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:05.279 ratified. 00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:07.860 So a covenant 00:25:07.860 --> 00:25:08.840 needs blood 00:25:08.840 --> 00:25:09.880 to be ratified 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:14.720 either 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.880 in Genesis 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:20.799 3.21 00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:22.299 or 00:25:22.299 --> 00:25:22.579 anybody 00:25:22.579 --> 00:25:23.019 tell me 00:25:23.019 --> 00:25:23.319 what happens 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:23.579 in Genesis 00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:24.000 3.21? 00:25:26.819 --> 00:25:27.220 Yep. 00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:29.039 That's right. 00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:29.500 He clothes 00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:29.980 Adam and Eve 00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:30.339 so there's 00:25:30.339 --> 00:25:31.139 the sacrifice. 00:25:31.379 --> 00:25:31.799 This is the 00:25:31.799 --> 00:25:32.879 first physical 00:25:32.879 --> 00:25:33.319 death. 00:25:33.379 --> 00:25:33.680 An animal 00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:34.460 dies in order 00:25:34.460 --> 00:25:34.980 to be made 00:25:34.980 --> 00:25:35.519 into clothing 00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:35.960 for Adam 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:36.240 and Eve. 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:36.579 Okay? 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:37.700 So either 00:25:37.700 --> 00:25:38.200 ratified 00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:38.599 Genesis 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:40.159 3.21 00:25:40.159 --> 00:25:41.259 or 00:25:41.259 --> 00:25:42.359 in Genesis 00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:42.799 chapter 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:43.919 15 00:25:43.919 --> 00:25:46.819 after that 00:25:46.819 --> 00:25:47.700 first giving 00:25:47.700 --> 00:25:48.240 of the 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:48.960 Abrahamic covenant 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:49.759 and then 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:50.620 Abraham 00:25:50.620 --> 00:25:51.440 sees God 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:51.960 he split 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:52.519 animals in 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:52.880 half 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:53.140 and he 00:25:53.140 --> 00:25:53.440 makes the 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:53.640 covenant 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:54.480 and passes 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:55.120 between them 00:25:55.120 --> 00:25:56.400 the smoking pot. 00:25:56.900 --> 00:25:56.980 Okay? 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:58.140 So there's 00:25:58.140 --> 00:25:59.079 some variance 00:25:59.079 --> 00:25:59.600 in what 00:25:59.600 --> 00:26:00.259 holders of this 00:26:00.259 --> 00:26:00.519 view 00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:01.400 when they 00:26:01.400 --> 00:26:02.019 think exactly 00:26:02.019 --> 00:26:02.340 this was 00:26:02.340 --> 00:26:02.680 ratified 00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:03.299 but either 00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:03.579 way 00:26:03.579 --> 00:26:05.019 early in 00:26:05.019 --> 00:26:05.420 Genesis 00:26:05.420 --> 00:26:06.700 ratified. 00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:07.480 Okay? 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:08.980 So there's 00:26:08.980 --> 00:26:09.700 the covenant 00:26:09.700 --> 00:26:10.400 of grace 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:11.539 given 00:26:11.539 --> 00:26:12.579 here. 00:26:12.579 --> 00:26:15.759 Okay? 00:26:16.079 --> 00:26:16.559 Then you 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:16.859 have 00:26:16.859 --> 00:26:17.559 so I've 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:17.879 drawn little 00:26:17.879 --> 00:26:18.159 arrows 00:26:18.159 --> 00:26:18.559 because these 00:26:18.559 --> 00:26:18.859 are just 00:26:18.859 --> 00:26:19.899 pointing us 00:26:19.899 --> 00:26:20.199 along. 00:26:20.339 --> 00:26:20.399 Right? 00:26:20.439 --> 00:26:20.659 These are 00:26:20.659 --> 00:26:21.059 all covenant 00:26:21.059 --> 00:26:21.579 of grace. 00:26:22.939 --> 00:26:23.839 So people 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:24.759 here 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:26.139 are saved 00:26:26.139 --> 00:26:27.159 by 00:26:27.159 --> 00:26:27.980 believing 00:26:27.980 --> 00:26:29.419 that somehow 00:26:29.419 --> 00:26:30.599 as this is 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:31.379 being revealed 00:26:31.379 --> 00:26:32.059 somehow 00:26:32.059 --> 00:26:33.079 God by 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:33.720 his grace 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:34.500 is saving 00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:34.759 them. 00:26:35.139 --> 00:26:35.619 Don't have 00:26:35.619 --> 00:26:35.899 the full 00:26:35.899 --> 00:26:36.379 realization 00:26:36.379 --> 00:26:36.919 yet of the 00:26:36.919 --> 00:26:37.240 cross of 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:37.559 Christ 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:38.319 but it's 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:39.019 moving them 00:26:39.019 --> 00:26:40.339 in that 00:26:40.339 --> 00:26:40.799 direction. 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.299 So you 00:26:43.299 --> 00:26:43.639 have the 00:26:43.639 --> 00:26:44.339 Noahic 00:26:44.339 --> 00:26:46.200 that's 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.019 Genesis 8 00:26:47.019 --> 00:26:48.039 you have 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:49.139 the Abrahamic 00:26:49.139 --> 00:26:53.879 Genesis 15 00:26:53.879 --> 00:26:54.480 and 17 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:55.500 you have 00:26:55.500 --> 00:26:56.299 the Mosaic 00:26:56.299 --> 00:26:59.639 Exodus 19 00:26:59.639 --> 00:27:00.299 and 20 00:27:00.299 --> 00:27:02.240 you have 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.299 the Davidic 00:27:03.299 --> 00:27:06.839 2 Samuel 00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:07.639 7 00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:11.740 you could 00:27:11.740 --> 00:27:12.040 put in 00:27:12.040 --> 00:27:12.280 here 00:27:12.280 --> 00:27:12.820 the 00:27:12.820 --> 00:27:13.580 Aaronic 00:27:13.580 --> 00:27:14.759 not 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:15.240 ironic 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:16.460 Aaronic 00:27:16.460 --> 00:27:17.560 the promise 00:27:17.560 --> 00:27:17.840 that there 00:27:17.840 --> 00:27:18.220 would be a 00:27:18.220 --> 00:27:18.920 lineage of 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:19.620 priests that 00:27:19.620 --> 00:27:20.300 come from 00:27:20.300 --> 00:27:20.560 Aaron 00:27:20.560 --> 00:27:20.960 you could 00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:21.900 insert that 00:27:21.900 --> 00:27:22.180 one in 00:27:22.180 --> 00:27:22.420 there 00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:23.700 but these 00:27:23.700 --> 00:27:23.960 are the 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:24.320 typical 00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:25.540 significant 00:27:25.540 --> 00:27:27.660 covenants 00:27:27.660 --> 00:27:28.020 that are 00:27:28.020 --> 00:27:28.720 made 00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:30.600 right 00:27:30.600 --> 00:27:32.080 pointing 00:27:32.080 --> 00:27:32.840 in this 00:27:32.840 --> 00:27:33.200 direction 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:33.560 so 00:27:33.560 --> 00:27:34.520 moving 00:27:34.520 --> 00:27:34.860 toward 00:27:34.860 --> 00:27:35.300 covenant 00:27:35.299 --> 00:27:41.359 and then 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:41.740 Christ 00:27:41.740 --> 00:27:42.519 Christ 00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:42.799 comes 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:43.339 okay 00:27:43.339 --> 00:27:44.779 now 00:27:44.779 --> 00:27:45.159 what 00:27:45.159 --> 00:27:46.839 the 00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:47.039 holders 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.299 of this 00:27:47.299 --> 00:27:47.639 view 00:27:47.639 --> 00:27:48.079 this 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:48.899 reformed 00:27:48.899 --> 00:27:49.539 covenantalism 00:27:49.539 --> 00:27:50.119 will say 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:51.480 is that 00:27:51.480 --> 00:27:52.119 there are 00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:54.359 there's 00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:54.639 one 00:27:54.639 --> 00:27:55.039 covenant 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:55.779 covenant 00:27:55.779 --> 00:27:56.240 of grace 00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:57.559 under 00:27:57.559 --> 00:27:58.500 two 00:27:58.500 --> 00:28:00.279 administrations 00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:00.960 okay 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:01.399 under 00:28:01.399 --> 00:28:01.839 two 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:02.639 administrations 00:28:02.639 --> 00:28:03.319 so I'm 00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:03.379 going to 00:28:03.379 --> 00:28:03.619 write that 00:28:03.619 --> 00:28:03.879 up here 00:28:03.879 --> 00:28:04.039 and then 00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:04.139 I'm 00:28:04.139 --> 00:28:04.240 going to 00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:04.539 read to 00:28:04.539 --> 00:28:04.659 you 00:28:04.660 --> 00:28:05.080 from the 00:28:05.080 --> 00:28:05.380 Westminster 00:28:05.380 --> 00:28:05.900 Confession 00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:06.200 so 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:07.060 this 00:28:07.060 --> 00:28:07.420 would be 00:28:07.420 --> 00:28:08.300 pre-Christ 00:28:08.300 --> 00:28:08.560 would be 00:28:08.560 --> 00:28:09.120 your first 00:28:09.120 --> 00:28:09.580 administration 00:28:09.580 --> 00:28:10.019 so 00:28:10.019 --> 00:28:11.120 from the 00:28:11.120 --> 00:28:11.720 fall 00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:12.279 and this 00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:13.580 ratified 00:28:13.580 --> 00:28:13.920 promise 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:14.320 in Genesis 00:28:14.320 --> 00:28:14.860 315 00:28:14.860 --> 00:28:15.920 you have 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:16.060 the 00:28:16.060 --> 00:28:17.019 first 00:28:17.019 --> 00:28:17.620 administration 00:28:17.620 --> 00:28:23.740 and 00:28:23.740 --> 00:28:24.680 after the 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:25.060 cross of 00:28:25.060 --> 00:28:25.420 Christ 00:28:25.420 --> 00:28:25.840 you have 00:28:25.840 --> 00:28:26.120 the 00:28:26.120 --> 00:28:27.840 second 00:28:27.840 --> 00:28:28.600 administration 00:28:28.600 --> 00:28:33.120 the 00:28:33.120 --> 00:28:33.300 first 00:28:33.300 --> 00:28:33.800 administration 00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:35.039 ! 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:35.039 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:35.359 called 00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:35.639 the 00:28:35.639 --> 00:28:36.859 old 00:28:36.859 --> 00:28:39.180 covenant 00:28:39.180 --> 00:28:40.279 that's 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:40.700 where we 00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:41.000 get our 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:41.200 term 00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:41.399 old 00:28:41.399 --> 00:28:41.819 testament 00:28:41.819 --> 00:28:42.419 from 00:28:42.419 --> 00:28:44.059 and then 00:28:44.059 --> 00:28:44.319 here 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:44.720 the 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:48.440 new 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:48.759 covenant 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:53.660 can 00:28:53.660 --> 00:28:53.660 00:28:53.660 --> 00:28:53.660 00:28:53.660 --> 00:28:53.920 somebody 00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:54.400 tell me 00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.619 a sign 00:28:56.619 --> 00:28:57.879 of the 00:28:57.879 --> 00:28:58.220 old 00:28:58.220 --> 00:28:58.559 covenant 00:28:58.559 --> 00:28:59.019 the first 00:28:59.019 --> 00:28:59.539 administration 00:28:59.539 --> 00:29:01.220 that would 00:29:01.220 --> 00:29:02.180 pertain to 00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:02.299 our 00:29:02.299 --> 00:29:02.700 conversation 00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:03.079 tonight 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:04.680 circumcision 00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:05.359 okay 00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:06.059 so that's 00:29:06.059 --> 00:29:06.379 going to 00:29:06.379 --> 00:29:07.079 matter here 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:07.500 in just a 00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:07.740 second 00:29:07.740 --> 00:29:08.359 I'll 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:09.539 show you 00:29:09.539 --> 00:29:09.920 okay so 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:10.279 here we go 00:29:10.279 --> 00:29:12.140 this is from 00:29:12.140 --> 00:29:12.660 the Westminster 00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:13.220 Confession 00:29:13.220 --> 00:29:15.119 chapter 7 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:16.839 section 5 00:29:16.839 --> 00:29:17.439 and I do 00:29:17.439 --> 00:29:18.000 for a moment 00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:18.359 want to 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:18.779 want to 00:29:18.779 --> 00:29:19.399 commend the 00:29:19.399 --> 00:29:19.779 Westminster 00:29:19.779 --> 00:29:21.119 standards to 00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:21.379 you 00:29:21.379 --> 00:29:23.079 really helpful 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:23.919 in a lot 00:29:23.919 --> 00:29:24.359 of ways 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.799 disagree with a 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:26.240 few things 00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:26.939 contained within 00:29:26.939 --> 00:29:27.659 but largely 00:29:27.659 --> 00:29:29.359 agree with a 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:29.699 lot of it 00:29:29.699 --> 00:29:30.980 here I find 00:29:30.980 --> 00:29:31.720 myself disagreeing 00:29:31.720 --> 00:29:32.980 so heads up 00:29:32.980 --> 00:29:33.439 there but 00:29:33.439 --> 00:29:34.559 they say 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:35.559 chapter 7 00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:36.579 section 5 00:29:36.579 --> 00:29:38.019 this covenant 00:29:38.019 --> 00:29:39.119 so referring to 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:39.419 the covenant 00:29:39.419 --> 00:29:39.899 of grace 00:29:39.900 --> 00:29:42.160 was differently 00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.080 administered in 00:29:43.080 --> 00:29:43.620 the time of 00:29:43.620 --> 00:29:44.259 the law and 00:29:44.259 --> 00:29:44.700 in the time 00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:45.420 of the gospel 00:29:45.420 --> 00:29:47.480 under the law 00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:48.140 it was administered 00:29:48.140 --> 00:29:49.100 by promises 00:29:49.100 --> 00:29:50.259 prophecies 00:29:50.259 --> 00:29:51.320 sacrifices 00:29:51.320 --> 00:29:52.400 circumcision 00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:53.800 the paschal 00:29:53.800 --> 00:29:54.320 lamb and 00:29:54.320 --> 00:29:55.440 other types 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.220 and ordinances 00:29:56.220 --> 00:29:56.920 delivered to 00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:57.580 the people of 00:29:57.580 --> 00:29:58.120 the Jews 00:29:58.120 --> 00:29:59.800 all for 00:29:59.800 --> 00:30:00.519 signifying 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:01.080 Christ to 00:30:01.080 --> 00:30:01.460 come 00:30:01.460 --> 00:30:02.800 which were 00:30:02.800 --> 00:30:03.140 for that 00:30:03.140 --> 00:30:03.920 time sufficient 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.160 and efficacious 00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:06.019 through the 00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:06.600 operation of 00:30:06.600 --> 00:30:07.019 the spirit 00:30:07.019 --> 00:30:09.000 to instruct 00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:09.500 and build 00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:09.839 up the 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.299 elect in 00:30:10.299 --> 00:30:10.579 faith 00:30:10.579 --> 00:30:10.859 and the 00:30:10.859 --> 00:30:11.160 promised 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:11.579 Messiah 00:30:11.579 --> 00:30:12.519 by whom 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:12.819 they had 00:30:12.819 --> 00:30:13.400 full remission 00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:13.920 of sins 00:30:13.920 --> 00:30:14.400 and eternal 00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:14.880 salvation 00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:15.619 and it's 00:30:15.619 --> 00:30:16.039 called 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:16.839 the Old 00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:17.160 Testament 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:18.339 that's 00:30:18.339 --> 00:30:18.519 everything 00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:18.900 I was just 00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:19.140 saying 00:30:19.140 --> 00:30:19.480 right 00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:22.599 chapter 7 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:23.779 section 5 00:30:23.779 --> 00:30:24.920 the Westminster 00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:25.440 confession 00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:29.900 so everything 00:30:29.900 --> 00:30:30.380 that's going 00:30:30.380 --> 00:30:30.799 on 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:31.880 right 00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:32.599 from 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:33.720 Genesis 3 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:34.119 15 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:35.720 all the way 00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:36.359 to the coming 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:37.039 of Christ 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:37.640 is all 00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:38.500 types 00:30:38.500 --> 00:30:39.079 shadows 00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:39.439 under 00:30:39.439 --> 00:30:39.740 this 00:30:39.740 --> 00:30:40.679 idea 00:30:40.679 --> 00:30:41.039 of 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:41.539 an 00:30:41.539 --> 00:30:42.099 administration 00:30:42.099 --> 00:30:47.980 section 6 00:30:47.980 --> 00:30:48.299 so the 00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:48.539 following 00:30:48.539 --> 00:30:48.899 section 00:30:48.899 --> 00:30:49.639 chapter 7 00:30:49.639 --> 00:30:50.519 section 6 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:52.220 under the 00:30:52.220 --> 00:30:52.539 gospel 00:30:52.539 --> 00:30:53.199 when Christ 00:30:53.199 --> 00:30:54.079 the substance 00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:54.779 was exhibited 00:30:54.779 --> 00:30:56.299 the ordinances 00:30:56.299 --> 00:30:56.879 in which the 00:30:56.879 --> 00:30:57.139 covenant 00:30:57.139 --> 00:30:58.199 is dispensed 00:30:58.199 --> 00:30:58.960 are the 00:30:58.960 --> 00:30:59.299 preaching 00:30:59.299 --> 00:30:59.679 of the 00:30:59.679 --> 00:31:00.019 word 00:31:00.019 --> 00:31:00.919 and the 00:31:00.919 --> 00:31:01.419 administration 00:31:01.419 --> 00:31:02.139 of the 00:31:02.139 --> 00:31:02.699 sacraments 00:31:02.699 --> 00:31:03.460 of baptism 00:31:03.460 --> 00:31:04.059 and the 00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:04.359 Lord's 00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:04.579 supper 00:31:04.579 --> 00:31:05.599 which 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:05.799 though 00:31:05.799 --> 00:31:06.299 fewer 00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:06.539 in 00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:06.879 number 00:31:06.879 --> 00:31:07.139 and 00:31:07.139 --> 00:31:07.519 administered 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:07.980 with more 00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:08.559 simplicity 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:09.359 and less 00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:09.819 outward 00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:10.220 glory 00:31:10.220 --> 00:31:10.799 yet in 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:11.119 them 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:11.819 it is 00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:12.000 held 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:12.399 forth 00:31:12.399 --> 00:31:12.879 in more 00:31:12.879 --> 00:31:13.299 fullness 00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:14.059 evidence 00:31:14.059 --> 00:31:15.039 and 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:15.679 spiritual 00:31:15.679 --> 00:31:16.240 efficacy 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:17.379 to all 00:31:17.379 --> 00:31:17.819 nations 00:31:17.819 --> 00:31:18.359 both Jews 00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:19.079 and Gentiles 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:19.799 and it's 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:20.019 called 00:31:20.019 --> 00:31:20.199 the 00:31:20.199 --> 00:31:20.399 New 00:31:20.399 --> 00:31:20.819 Testament 00:31:20.819 --> 00:31:21.960 there are 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:22.119 not 00:31:22.119 --> 00:31:22.480 therefore 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:22.859 two 00:31:22.859 --> 00:31:23.339 covenants 00:31:23.339 --> 00:31:23.779 of grace 00:31:23.779 --> 00:31:24.319 differing 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:24.559 in 00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:25.019 substance 00:31:25.019 --> 00:31:25.740 but one 00:31:25.740 --> 00:31:26.039 and the 00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:26.500 same 00:31:26.500 --> 00:31:27.199 under 00:31:27.199 --> 00:31:27.879 various 00:31:27.879 --> 00:31:29.379 dispensations 00:31:29.379 --> 00:31:29.740 and they 00:31:29.740 --> 00:31:30.159 don't mean 00:31:30.159 --> 00:31:31.119 dispensationalism 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:31.519 they just 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:31.779 mean 00:31:31.779 --> 00:31:32.259 ages 00:31:32.259 --> 00:31:32.639 right 00:31:32.639 --> 00:31:32.859 they're 00:31:32.859 --> 00:31:33.000 just 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:33.240 saying 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:33.639 look 00:31:33.639 --> 00:31:34.159 different 00:31:34.159 --> 00:31:35.639 administrations 00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:37.259 of the 00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:37.620 same 00:31:37.620 --> 00:31:39.880 so 00:31:39.880 --> 00:31:41.220 of the 00:31:41.220 --> 00:31:41.500 covenant 00:31:41.500 --> 00:31:42.140 of grace 00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:44.259 they see 00:31:44.259 --> 00:31:45.020 a lot 00:31:45.020 --> 00:31:45.240 of 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:45.940 continuity 00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:46.860 between 00:31:46.860 --> 00:31:47.140 the 00:31:47.140 --> 00:31:48.020 old 00:31:48.020 --> 00:31:48.780 and the 00:31:48.780 --> 00:31:49.380 new 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:50.200 testament 00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:50.220 ! 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:51.060 covenant 00:31:51.060 --> 00:31:51.420 whatever 00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:52.280 word 00:31:52.280 --> 00:31:52.759 you like 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:54.200 to insert 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:54.480 there 00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:54.700 there's 00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:55.740 a lot 00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:55.960 of 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:56.680 continuity 00:31:56.680 --> 00:31:57.520 between 00:31:57.520 --> 00:31:58.120 the two 00:31:58.120 --> 00:31:59.420 so 00:31:59.420 --> 00:31:59.940 you 00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:00.560 could write 00:32:00.560 --> 00:32:00.740 this 00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:01.020 and this 00:32:01.020 --> 00:32:01.440 is fair 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:02.160 and I'm 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:02.300 going to 00:32:02.300 --> 00:32:02.460 get 00:32:02.460 --> 00:32:03.000 Ty to 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:03.300 confirm 00:32:03.300 --> 00:32:03.660 or deny 00:32:03.660 --> 00:32:04.000 this 00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:04.759 for me 00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:05.160 in just 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:05.500 a second 00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:07.059 you could 00:32:07.059 --> 00:32:07.279 write it 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:07.859 like this 00:32:07.859 --> 00:32:10.019 old 00:32:10.019 --> 00:32:10.420 testament 00:32:10.420 --> 00:32:10.960 israel 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:13.799 equals 00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.779 new 00:32:15.779 --> 00:32:19.240 testament 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:19.640 church 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:20.380 and I'll 00:32:20.380 --> 00:32:20.779 explain 00:32:20.779 --> 00:32:22.299 church 00:32:22.299 --> 00:32:22.539 in a 00:32:22.539 --> 00:32:22.779 moment 00:32:22.779 --> 00:32:23.140 but 00:32:23.140 --> 00:32:23.500 Ty 00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:24.839 fair 00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:28.880 I'm not 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:29.160 arguing 00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:29.559 against you 00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:29.859 right here 00:32:29.859 --> 00:32:30.640 I'm helping 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.240 them understand 00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:32.799 lots of 00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:33.240 continuity 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:33.759 is what's 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:34.700 seen though 00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:35.500 between 00:32:35.500 --> 00:32:35.799 old 00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:36.120 testament 00:32:36.120 --> 00:32:36.640 israel 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:37.799 and the 00:32:37.799 --> 00:32:37.940 new 00:32:37.940 --> 00:32:38.340 testament 00:32:38.340 --> 00:32:39.019 church 00:32:39.019 --> 00:32:40.279 specifically 00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:41.220 in this 00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:41.660 way 00:32:41.660 --> 00:32:42.680 right 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:43.180 so 00:32:43.180 --> 00:32:44.440 again 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:44.799 they're not 00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:45.400 all consistent 00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:45.860 but the 00:32:45.860 --> 00:32:46.539 consistent 00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:47.519 paedo-baptist 00:32:47.519 --> 00:32:48.039 right 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:48.500 the 00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:49.460 westminster 00:32:49.460 --> 00:32:50.580 paedo-baptist 00:32:50.580 --> 00:32:51.660 is going to 00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:52.340 argue for 00:32:52.340 --> 00:32:53.000 both a 00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:53.680 visible 00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:54.279 church 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:55.620 and an 00:32:55.620 --> 00:32:56.140 invisible 00:32:56.140 --> 00:32:56.640 church 00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:57.360 now as 00:32:57.360 --> 00:32:57.680 baptists 00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:58.080 we use 00:32:58.080 --> 00:32:58.460 that same 00:32:58.460 --> 00:32:58.799 language 00:32:58.799 --> 00:32:59.080 and we 00:32:59.080 --> 00:32:59.360 would use 00:32:59.360 --> 00:32:59.819 that language 00:32:59.819 --> 00:33:00.559 of invisible 00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:01.059 like 00:33:01.059 --> 00:33:01.660 throughout 00:33:01.660 --> 00:33:02.259 time and 00:33:02.259 --> 00:33:02.640 space 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:03.200 so we 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:03.400 would say 00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:03.680 the church 00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:04.060 invisible 00:33:04.060 --> 00:33:04.520 like the 00:33:04.520 --> 00:33:04.740 church 00:33:04.740 --> 00:33:05.060 that met 00:33:05.060 --> 00:33:05.580 all over 00:33:05.580 --> 00:33:06.000 the world 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:06.420 this morning 00:33:06.420 --> 00:33:06.880 on sunday 00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:07.240 we can't 00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:07.600 see them 00:33:07.600 --> 00:33:08.000 they're 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.259 invisible 00:33:08.259 --> 00:33:08.860 to us 00:33:08.860 --> 00:33:09.720 right 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:10.280 they're not 00:33:10.280 --> 00:33:10.640 using that 00:33:10.640 --> 00:33:11.020 terminology 00:33:11.020 --> 00:33:11.400 the same 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:11.700 way 00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:12.480 so perhaps 00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:12.820 you have 00:33:12.820 --> 00:33:13.240 read 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:14.020 presbyterians 00:33:14.020 --> 00:33:14.380 before 00:33:14.380 --> 00:33:15.040 and maybe 00:33:15.040 --> 00:33:15.280 gone 00:33:15.280 --> 00:33:16.060 I'm confused 00:33:16.060 --> 00:33:16.340 about what 00:33:16.340 --> 00:33:16.460 they're 00:33:16.460 --> 00:33:16.900 talking about 00:33:16.900 --> 00:33:17.380 that's why 00:33:17.380 --> 00:33:17.740 they're using 00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:18.080 the terms 00:33:18.080 --> 00:33:18.460 differently 00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:19.180 than we 00:33:19.180 --> 00:33:19.800 tend to 00:33:19.800 --> 00:33:20.200 use those 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:20.500 terms 00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:21.020 so what 00:33:21.020 --> 00:33:21.480 they mean 00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:22.400 is 00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:23.340 old testament 00:33:23.340 --> 00:33:23.940 israel 00:33:23.940 --> 00:33:24.560 israel 00:33:24.560 --> 00:33:25.120 was a 00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:26.020 nation 00:33:26.020 --> 00:33:26.660 state 00:33:26.660 --> 00:33:26.980 right 00:33:26.980 --> 00:33:27.420 there's an 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:27.940 ethnic 00:33:27.940 --> 00:33:27.940 00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:33.420 so all 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:33.660 throughout 00:33:33.660 --> 00:33:33.940 the old 00:33:33.940 --> 00:33:34.240 testament 00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:35.680 we've just 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:36.020 done a bunch 00:33:36.020 --> 00:33:36.360 of dealing 00:33:36.360 --> 00:33:36.840 with this 00:33:36.840 --> 00:33:37.440 in romans 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:37.900 9 00:33:37.900 --> 00:33:39.000 through 11 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:39.440 right 00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:40.160 and there 00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:40.720 paul talks 00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:41.240 about a 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:41.900 remnant 00:33:41.900 --> 00:33:42.640 who's 00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:43.080 saved 00:33:43.080 --> 00:33:43.660 throughout 00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:44.320 that time 00:33:44.320 --> 00:33:45.600 that would 00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:46.020 be 00:33:46.020 --> 00:33:46.840 presbyterians 00:33:46.840 --> 00:33:47.120 are using 00:33:47.120 --> 00:33:47.420 the term 00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:48.140 invisible 00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:48.520 church 00:33:48.520 --> 00:33:48.860 so those 00:33:48.860 --> 00:33:49.340 those who 00:33:49.340 --> 00:33:50.080 are actually 00:33:50.080 --> 00:33:51.520 by faith 00:33:51.520 --> 00:33:52.100 right 00:33:52.100 --> 00:33:52.740 believing 00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:53.860 believing in 00:33:53.860 --> 00:33:54.440 these types 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:54.980 and signs 00:33:54.980 --> 00:33:55.540 and promises 00:33:55.540 --> 00:33:56.460 that this 00:33:56.460 --> 00:33:56.800 covenant 00:33:56.800 --> 00:33:57.360 of grace 00:33:57.360 --> 00:33:58.180 is effectual 00:33:58.180 --> 00:33:58.820 for them 00:33:58.820 --> 00:33:59.680 they are 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:00.320 actually 00:34:00.320 --> 00:34:01.220 converted 00:34:01.220 --> 00:34:01.720 and saved 00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:02.940 right 00:34:02.940 --> 00:34:03.279 so there's 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:03.779 the nation 00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:05.160 there's 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:05.480 the 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:06.579 visible 00:34:06.579 --> 00:34:08.079 nation 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:08.539 and that 00:34:08.539 --> 00:34:08.900 nation 00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:09.400 takes what 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:09.740 sign 00:34:09.740 --> 00:34:10.240 in the 00:34:10.240 --> 00:34:10.599 old testament 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:11.860 they take 00:34:11.860 --> 00:34:12.159 the sign 00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:12.400 of 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:13.380 circumcision 00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:13.800 right 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:15.480 the boys 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:16.000 right 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:16.300 which is 00:34:16.300 --> 00:34:16.579 a sign 00:34:16.579 --> 00:34:16.820 for the 00:34:16.820 --> 00:34:17.159 nation 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:17.820 right 00:34:17.820 --> 00:34:18.280 the sign 00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:18.519 of the 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:18.820 covenant 00:34:18.820 --> 00:34:20.079 for this 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:20.559 nation 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.539 they take 00:34:21.539 --> 00:34:22.119 that sign 00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:23.800 but within 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:24.280 that 00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:25.179 there are 00:34:25.179 --> 00:34:25.780 those jewish 00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:26.179 people who 00:34:26.179 --> 00:34:27.000 actually believe 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:27.880 right 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:28.220 who have 00:34:28.220 --> 00:34:28.860 placed their 00:34:28.860 --> 00:34:29.240 faith 00:34:29.240 --> 00:34:30.519 signs 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:30.920 types 00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:31.300 they're 00:34:31.300 --> 00:34:31.699 believing 00:34:31.699 --> 00:34:32.419 they're 00:34:32.419 --> 00:34:32.759 believing 00:34:32.759 --> 00:34:33.319 that somehow 00:34:33.319 --> 00:34:33.879 it's going 00:34:33.879 --> 00:34:34.079 to be 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:34.359 saving 00:34:34.359 --> 00:34:34.960 for them 00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.039 in that 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:36.960 in this 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:37.699 I'll use 00:34:37.699 --> 00:34:38.119 their language 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:38.739 dispensation 00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:40.399 right 00:34:40.399 --> 00:34:40.819 of God's 00:34:40.819 --> 00:34:41.159 redemptive 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:41.480 work 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:42.239 so yes 00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:42.519 John 00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:50.419 yes 00:34:50.419 --> 00:34:51.379 yep 00:34:51.379 --> 00:34:52.039 yeah they 00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:52.219 certainly 00:34:52.219 --> 00:34:52.419 would 00:34:52.419 --> 00:34:52.779 I mean 00:34:52.779 --> 00:34:53.859 all the 00:34:53.859 --> 00:34:54.239 evidence is 00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:54.519 here for 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:54.639 it 00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:54.839 right 00:34:54.839 --> 00:34:55.259 yeah 00:34:55.259 --> 00:34:55.859 for sure 00:34:55.859 --> 00:34:56.179 yeah 00:34:56.179 --> 00:34:58.279 okay 00:34:58.279 --> 00:34:59.139 so 00:34:59.139 --> 00:35:00.440 they will 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:00.719 argue 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:01.299 that today 00:35:01.299 --> 00:35:02.559 there is 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:02.839 a 00:35:02.839 --> 00:35:04.239 a visible 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:04.779 church 00:35:04.779 --> 00:35:06.379 which was 00:35:06.379 --> 00:35:06.739 made up 00:35:06.739 --> 00:35:07.619 of all 00:35:07.619 --> 00:35:07.919 those 00:35:07.919 --> 00:35:08.440 adults 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:09.000 who profess 00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:09.379 faith 00:35:09.379 --> 00:35:10.139 in Jesus 00:35:10.139 --> 00:35:10.579 Christ 00:35:10.579 --> 00:35:12.460 and their 00:35:12.460 --> 00:35:12.739 children 00:35:12.739 --> 00:35:14.339 so they 00:35:14.339 --> 00:35:14.659 bring 00:35:14.659 --> 00:35:15.819 that language 00:35:15.819 --> 00:35:16.379 over 00:35:16.379 --> 00:35:17.199 so I've 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:17.599 argued to 00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:18.000 you before 00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:18.299 that I 00:35:18.299 --> 00:35:18.440 think 00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:19.000 paedo-baptism 00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:19.460 confused 00:35:19.460 --> 00:35:19.899 because I'm 00:35:19.899 --> 00:35:20.159 going what 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:20.399 are you guys 00:35:20.399 --> 00:35:20.679 doing that 00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:20.839 really 00:35:20.839 --> 00:35:21.159 confusing 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:21.279 the 00:35:21.279 --> 00:35:21.399 nature 00:35:21.399 --> 00:35:21.519 of the 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:21.659 church 00:35:21.659 --> 00:35:22.000 what I 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:22.059 didn't 00:35:22.059 --> 00:35:22.239 realize 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:22.539 is we 00:35:22.539 --> 00:35:22.879 actually 00:35:22.879 --> 00:35:23.139 believe 00:35:23.139 --> 00:35:23.359 something 00:35:23.359 --> 00:35:24.039 different 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:24.500 about the 00:35:24.500 --> 00:35:24.699 nature 00:35:24.699 --> 00:35:24.920 of the 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:25.179 church 00:35:25.179 --> 00:35:25.559 of course 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:26.000 it does 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:27.639 because we 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:28.239 actually believe 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:28.500 something 00:35:28.500 --> 00:35:29.119 different 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:29.599 about the 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:29.879 nature 00:35:29.879 --> 00:35:30.879 of the 00:35:30.879 --> 00:35:31.099 church 00:35:31.099 --> 00:35:31.460 so there's 00:35:31.460 --> 00:35:31.619 going to 00:35:31.619 --> 00:35:32.079 be a 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:32.839 visible 00:35:32.839 --> 00:35:33.239 church 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:33.639 right 00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:33.859 it's 00:35:33.859 --> 00:35:34.019 those 00:35:34.019 --> 00:35:34.119 who 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:34.259 are 00:35:34.259 --> 00:35:34.679 who 00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:34.799 are 00:35:34.799 --> 00:35:35.059 baptized 00:35:35.059 --> 00:35:36.719 but there's 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:36.819 going to 00:35:36.819 --> 00:35:37.059 be a 00:35:37.059 --> 00:35:37.480 subset 00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:37.859 of that 00:35:37.859 --> 00:35:38.199 church 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:38.599 who 00:35:38.599 --> 00:35:39.159 have 00:35:39.159 --> 00:35:39.639 placed 00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:39.960 believing 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:40.379 faith 00:35:40.379 --> 00:35:40.940 in 00:35:40.940 --> 00:35:41.239 Christ 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:42.039 now 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:43.500 for me 00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:44.319 something 00:35:44.319 --> 00:35:44.559 that was 00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:44.859 helpful 00:35:44.859 --> 00:35:46.399 right now 00:35:46.399 --> 00:35:47.339 your elders 00:35:47.339 --> 00:35:48.059 are thinking 00:35:48.059 --> 00:35:48.579 a lot 00:35:48.579 --> 00:35:50.039 about what 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:50.539 we want to 00:35:50.539 --> 00:35:50.960 do with 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:51.679 young people 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:51.940 who are 00:35:51.940 --> 00:35:52.320 professing 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:52.559 faith 00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:52.699 in 00:35:52.699 --> 00:35:53.000 Christ 00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.019 so we 00:35:54.019 --> 00:35:54.380 want to 00:35:54.380 --> 00:35:54.740 be so 00:35:54.740 --> 00:35:55.260 careful 00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:56.280 that we 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:56.760 don't give 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:57.159 false 00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:57.659 assurance 00:35:57.659 --> 00:35:58.599 to young 00:35:58.599 --> 00:35:58.840 people 00:35:58.840 --> 00:35:59.360 professing 00:35:59.360 --> 00:35:59.740 faith 00:35:59.740 --> 00:35:59.880 in 00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:00.240 Christ 00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:00.740 right 00:36:00.740 --> 00:36:01.579 Baptists 00:36:01.579 --> 00:36:01.900 have been 00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:02.380 bad at 00:36:02.380 --> 00:36:02.659 this 00:36:02.659 --> 00:36:03.159 in this 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:03.619 past 00:36:03.619 --> 00:36:04.099 generation 00:36:04.099 --> 00:36:04.699 right 00:36:04.699 --> 00:36:05.920 I love 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:06.420 Jesus 00:36:06.420 --> 00:36:07.559 like 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:08.880 tally 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:09.300 the number 00:36:09.300 --> 00:36:09.720 right 00:36:09.720 --> 00:36:11.179 and it's 00:36:11.179 --> 00:36:11.900 the common 00:36:11.900 --> 00:36:12.300 it's the 00:36:12.300 --> 00:36:12.900 common 00:36:12.900 --> 00:36:13.780 testimony 00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:14.639 of young 00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:15.000 people who 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:15.639 come here 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:16.340 and are 00:36:16.340 --> 00:36:16.659 baptized 00:36:16.659 --> 00:36:17.340 that they 00:36:17.340 --> 00:36:17.679 were baptized 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:18.019 when they 00:36:18.019 --> 00:36:18.360 were 00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:19.639 seven or 00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:19.840 eight 00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:20.340 pretty 00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:20.700 pretty 00:36:20.700 --> 00:36:21.059 typical 00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:22.280 they 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:22.620 come to 00:36:22.620 --> 00:36:22.920 later 00:36:22.920 --> 00:36:23.700 believe 00:36:23.700 --> 00:36:23.920 they 00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:24.180 weren't 00:36:24.180 --> 00:36:24.559 actually 00:36:24.559 --> 00:36:24.940 Christians 00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:25.240 at that 00:36:25.240 --> 00:36:25.420 time 00:36:25.420 --> 00:36:25.579 and I'm 00:36:25.579 --> 00:36:25.840 not saying 00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:26.100 that young 00:36:26.100 --> 00:36:26.559 people can't 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:26.940 be saved 00:36:26.940 --> 00:36:27.400 I believe 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:27.820 young people 00:36:27.820 --> 00:36:28.200 can be 00:36:28.200 --> 00:36:28.440 saved 00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:29.019 I think 00:36:29.019 --> 00:36:29.340 I was 00:36:29.340 --> 00:36:29.539 saved 00:36:29.539 --> 00:36:30.019 at a very 00:36:30.019 --> 00:36:31.100 young age 00:36:31.100 --> 00:36:31.420 let the 00:36:31.420 --> 00:36:31.880 children come 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:32.120 to me 00:36:32.120 --> 00:36:32.400 we're not 00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:33.019 arguing that 00:36:33.019 --> 00:36:33.740 but we 00:36:33.740 --> 00:36:34.200 are we 00:36:34.200 --> 00:36:34.620 we do 00:36:34.620 --> 00:36:34.940 want to be 00:36:34.940 --> 00:36:35.600 really careful 00:36:35.600 --> 00:36:36.220 about that 00:36:36.220 --> 00:36:36.720 peace that 00:36:36.720 --> 00:36:37.320 credible 00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:37.880 profession 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:38.700 of faith 00:36:38.700 --> 00:36:39.640 in Christ 00:36:39.640 --> 00:36:39.900 we want to 00:36:39.900 --> 00:36:40.380 be really 00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:40.880 careful 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:41.900 about who 00:36:41.900 --> 00:36:42.440 who we 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:43.100 bring in 00:36:43.100 --> 00:36:43.920 and call 00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:44.340 church 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:44.880 okay 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:45.320 so that's 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:45.800 the perspective 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:46.140 that we're 00:36:46.140 --> 00:36:46.620 coming from 00:36:46.620 --> 00:36:47.400 we intend 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:47.700 to bring 00:36:47.699 --> 00:36:48.000 this to 00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:48.139 you 00:36:48.139 --> 00:36:48.399 have a 00:36:48.399 --> 00:36:48.500 big 00:36:48.500 --> 00:36:48.619 old 00:36:48.619 --> 00:36:49.000 conversation 00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:49.379 about 00:36:49.379 --> 00:36:50.559 what we 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:50.779 think we 00:36:50.779 --> 00:36:51.099 should do 00:36:51.099 --> 00:36:51.539 and present 00:36:51.539 --> 00:36:51.879 it to 00:36:51.879 --> 00:36:52.500 the church 00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:53.299 to 00:36:53.299 --> 00:36:54.219 affirm 00:36:54.219 --> 00:36:54.719 or deny 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:55.099 you could 00:36:55.099 --> 00:36:55.419 disagree 00:36:55.419 --> 00:36:55.859 with us 00:36:55.859 --> 00:36:57.839 we're okay 00:36:57.839 --> 00:36:58.179 with that 00:36:58.179 --> 00:36:58.899 I think 00:36:58.899 --> 00:36:59.779 so 00:36:59.779 --> 00:37:00.439 I'm trying 00:37:00.439 --> 00:37:00.619 to think 00:37:00.619 --> 00:37:01.059 really carefully 00:37:01.059 --> 00:37:02.059 about that 00:37:02.059 --> 00:37:03.259 Presbyterians 00:37:03.259 --> 00:37:03.659 do this 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.179 in various 00:37:04.179 --> 00:37:04.579 ways 00:37:04.579 --> 00:37:05.199 with a 00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:06.119 different 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:07.419 ordinance 00:37:07.419 --> 00:37:08.679 they do 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:09.000 a process 00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:09.879 of confirmation 00:37:09.879 --> 00:37:10.799 that goes on 00:37:10.799 --> 00:37:11.539 and again 00:37:11.539 --> 00:37:12.460 I'm arguing 00:37:12.460 --> 00:37:13.000 good 00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:14.179 good 00:37:14.179 --> 00:37:14.899 orthodox 00:37:14.900 --> 00:37:16.139 pedo-baptist 00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:16.539 churches 00:37:16.539 --> 00:37:17.780 that's where 00:37:17.780 --> 00:37:18.139 they're 00:37:18.139 --> 00:37:18.820 primarily 00:37:18.820 --> 00:37:19.680 concerned 00:37:19.680 --> 00:37:20.519 because 00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:21.780 they say 00:37:21.780 --> 00:37:22.420 you can't 00:37:22.420 --> 00:37:23.579 inspect 00:37:23.579 --> 00:37:24.200 yourself 00:37:24.200 --> 00:37:24.960 you can't 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:25.420 approach 00:37:25.420 --> 00:37:25.820 the table 00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:26.280 carefully 00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:27.099 if you're 00:37:27.099 --> 00:37:27.700 not in 00:37:27.700 --> 00:37:28.160 Christ 00:37:28.160 --> 00:37:29.139 and so 00:37:29.139 --> 00:37:29.480 they go 00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:29.860 through a 00:37:29.860 --> 00:37:30.180 process 00:37:30.180 --> 00:37:30.840 at that 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.119 point 00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:31.420 to be 00:37:31.420 --> 00:37:31.860 careful 00:37:31.860 --> 00:37:32.460 about 00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:33.320 who 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:34.119 gets 00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:34.480 to receive 00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:34.619 that 00:37:34.619 --> 00:37:34.820 now 00:37:34.820 --> 00:37:35.579 there are 00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:35.800 some 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:36.180 out there 00:37:36.180 --> 00:37:36.880 Doug Wilson 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:37.740 who 00:37:37.740 --> 00:37:38.380 practice 00:37:38.380 --> 00:37:39.660 pedo-communion 00:37:39.660 --> 00:37:40.099 too 00:37:40.099 --> 00:37:40.599 and they 00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:40.820 have their 00:37:40.820 --> 00:37:41.119 kids 00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:41.680 eating 00:37:41.680 --> 00:37:42.480 and I 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:42.680 just 00:37:42.680 --> 00:37:42.880 get 00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:43.300 I mean 00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:44.000 frankly 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:44.380 it's more 00:37:44.380 --> 00:37:44.780 consistent 00:37:44.780 --> 00:37:45.160 but I 00:37:45.160 --> 00:37:45.440 get real 00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:45.740 uncomfortable 00:37:45.740 --> 00:37:46.260 with that 00:37:46.260 --> 00:37:46.480 but 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:47.160 I 00:37:47.160 --> 00:37:47.560 digress 00:37:47.560 --> 00:37:48.920 so 00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:50.300 that 00:37:50.300 --> 00:37:50.560 helped 00:37:50.560 --> 00:37:50.720 me 00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:50.960 go 00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:51.480 okay 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:52.380 we're 00:37:52.380 --> 00:37:52.960 we're 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:53.400 both 00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:54.180 being 00:37:54.180 --> 00:37:55.100 careful 00:37:55.100 --> 00:37:56.260 baptists 00:37:56.260 --> 00:37:56.500 are being 00:37:56.500 --> 00:37:56.880 careful 00:37:56.880 --> 00:37:58.040 with a 00:37:58.040 --> 00:37:58.440 particular 00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.060 ordinance 00:37:59.060 --> 00:38:00.720 rather than 00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:00.840 the 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:01.600 we're 00:38:01.600 --> 00:38:01.780 careful 00:38:01.780 --> 00:38:01.980 with the 00:38:01.980 --> 00:38:02.100 other 00:38:02.100 --> 00:38:02.220 one 00:38:02.220 --> 00:38:02.340 as 00:38:02.340 --> 00:38:02.500 well 00:38:02.500 --> 00:38:02.700 but 00:38:02.700 --> 00:38:02.920 we're 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:03.500 really 00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:03.840 careful 00:38:03.840 --> 00:38:04.100 on the 00:38:04.100 --> 00:38:04.380 front 00:38:04.380 --> 00:38:04.700 end 00:38:04.700 --> 00:38:06.220 of 00:38:06.220 --> 00:38:06.740 that 00:38:06.740 --> 00:38:07.240 equation 00:38:07.240 --> 00:38:07.620 so 00:38:07.620 --> 00:38:07.940 yes 00:38:07.940 --> 00:38:08.260 Jim 00:38:08.260 --> 00:38:08.900 why do 00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:09.120 you think 00:38:09.120 --> 00:38:09.580 that Doug 00:38:09.580 --> 00:38:09.940 will see 00:38:09.940 --> 00:38:10.360 what you 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:10.320 point 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:10.480 as 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:10.800 ordinance 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:10.960 ! 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:13.519 because 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:15.780 he's 00:38:15.780 --> 00:38:16.519 equating 00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:16.860 the two 00:38:16.860 --> 00:38:17.300 things 00:38:17.300 --> 00:38:17.980 he's 00:38:17.980 --> 00:38:18.159 saying 00:38:18.159 --> 00:38:18.280 that 00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:18.400 they're 00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:18.619 part 00:38:18.619 --> 00:38:18.699 of 00:38:18.699 --> 00:38:18.800 a 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:19.019 church 00:38:19.019 --> 00:38:19.259 therefore 00:38:19.259 --> 00:38:19.579 they should 00:38:19.579 --> 00:38:19.820 be 00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:20.619 able to 00:38:20.619 --> 00:38:21.000 receive 00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:21.340 the 00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:21.980 sacraments 00:38:21.980 --> 00:38:22.219 of the 00:38:22.219 --> 00:38:22.500 church 00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:24.280 it's 00:38:24.280 --> 00:38:24.440 more 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:24.739 consistent 00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:25.019 with the 00:38:25.019 --> 00:38:25.280 Westminster 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:25.699 language 00:38:25.699 --> 00:38:26.179 honestly 00:38:26.179 --> 00:38:27.039 before it 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:27.440 gets there 00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:27.900 yes 00:38:27.900 --> 00:38:28.260 tie 00:38:28.260 --> 00:38:29.900 yeah 00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:43.880 sounds like 00:38:43.880 --> 00:38:44.119 pedo 00:38:44.119 --> 00:38:44.380 communion 00:38:44.380 --> 00:38:44.900 to me 00:38:44.900 --> 00:38:47.400 that's a 00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:47.559 very 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:48.220 very 00:38:48.220 --> 00:38:48.760 very 00:38:48.760 --> 00:38:49.099 baptist 00:38:49.099 --> 00:38:49.260 thing 00:38:49.260 --> 00:38:49.599 to say 00:38:49.599 --> 00:38:55.799 okay 00:38:55.799 --> 00:38:57.219 yes 00:38:57.219 --> 00:38:58.619 yes 00:38:58.619 --> 00:38:58.719 yes 00:38:58.719 --> 00:38:59.480 it is 00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.259 okay 00:39:01.259 --> 00:39:01.559 so 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:01.860 this 00:39:01.860 --> 00:39:02.179 is 00:39:02.179 --> 00:39:03.059 this 00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:04.039 this 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:04.360 is the 00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:04.519 thing 00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:05.039 for me 00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:05.500 like 00:39:05.500 --> 00:39:05.860 this 00:39:05.860 --> 00:39:06.119 is why 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:06.259 I'm 00:39:06.259 --> 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we've got 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:29.059 creation 00:52:29.059 --> 00:52:30.219 we've got 00:52:30.219 --> 00:52:30.599 the fall 00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:31.279 okay 00:52:31.279 --> 00:52:32.799 we've got 00:52:32.799 --> 00:52:33.419 oh man 00:52:33.419 --> 00:52:34.000 I wrote 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:34.879 in my way 00:52:34.879 --> 00:52:35.859 I'm taking out 00:52:35.859 --> 00:52:36.219 Old Testament 00:52:36.219 --> 00:52:36.759 Israel equals 00:52:36.759 --> 00:52:37.079 New Testament 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:37.359 church 00:52:37.359 --> 00:52:37.559 you guys 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:37.819 okay with 00:52:37.819 --> 00:52:38.000 that 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:39.179 I hope 00:52:39.179 --> 00:52:39.319 so 00:52:39.319 --> 00:52:39.459 because 00:52:39.459 --> 00:52:39.539 it's 00:52:39.539 --> 00:52:39.699 gone 00:52:39.699 --> 00:52:40.099 all right 00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:44.159 we have 00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:44.960 here also 00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:45.699 the 00:52:45.699 --> 00:52:51.440 covenant 00:52:51.440 --> 00:52:51.980 of grace 00:52:51.980 --> 00:52:53.839 which is 00:52:53.839 --> 00:53:02.839 spoken of 00:53:02.839 --> 00:53:03.139 here 00:53:03.139 --> 00:53:04.019 Genesis 3 00:53:04.019 --> 00:53:04.679 15 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:06.559 but not 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:07.639 yet ratified 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:09.539 so it's 00:53:09.539 --> 00:53:10.339 not ratified 00:53:10.339 --> 00:53:11.359 here 00:53:11.359 --> 00:53:12.159 Genesis 3 00:53:12.159 --> 00:53:12.559 21 00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:13.539 or 00:53:13.539 --> 00:53:14.279 they would 00:53:14.279 --> 00:53:14.699 say in 00:53:14.699 --> 00:53:15.019 Genesis 00:53:15.019 --> 00:53:16.279 15 00:53:16.279 --> 00:53:19.099 so rather 00:53:19.099 --> 00:53:19.440 I think 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:20.359 did I give you guys 00:53:20.359 --> 00:53:20.859 dotted lines 00:53:20.860 --> 00:53:28.960 and I 00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:29.680 think I drew 00:53:29.680 --> 00:53:30.000 an arrow 00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:30.320 on your 00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:30.660 page 00:53:30.660 --> 00:53:31.519 but really 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:32.420 if I had 00:53:32.420 --> 00:53:32.920 color on your 00:53:32.920 --> 00:53:33.240 page I'd 00:53:33.240 --> 00:53:33.559 want to do 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:34.000 this 00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:39.140 so can you 00:53:39.140 --> 00:53:39.440 see I just 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:39.760 drew over 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:40.019 that 00:53:40.019 --> 00:53:44.280 so here we 00:53:44.280 --> 00:53:44.640 have 00:53:44.640 --> 00:53:46.960 same thing 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:47.620 we've got 00:53:47.620 --> 00:53:48.079 our 00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:50.240 not going to 00:53:50.240 --> 00:53:50.599 read any of 00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:50.980 this I know 00:53:50.980 --> 00:53:51.599 but I'm 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:51.699 going to 00:53:51.699 --> 00:53:51.940 do it 00:53:51.940 --> 00:53:52.279 fast 00:53:52.279 --> 00:53:53.339 Abrahamic 00:53:53.339 --> 00:53:55.440 Mosaic 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.860 Davidic 00:53:58.860 --> 00:53:59.380 right 00:53:59.380 --> 00:54:01.119 similar 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:02.059 similar to 00:54:02.059 --> 00:54:02.219 their 00:54:02.219 --> 00:54:02.699 paedo-baptist 00:54:02.699 --> 00:54:03.019 brothers 00:54:03.019 --> 00:54:04.400 they're saying 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:05.579 these things 00:54:05.579 --> 00:54:06.199 types 00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:06.900 shadows 00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:07.900 symbols 00:54:07.900 --> 00:54:08.519 right 00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:10.079 by faith 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:10.880 that somehow 00:54:10.880 --> 00:54:11.639 somehow 00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:12.500 these promises 00:54:12.500 --> 00:54:13.480 right 00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:14.319 we believe 00:54:14.319 --> 00:54:15.279 are going to 00:54:15.279 --> 00:54:16.099 save us 00:54:16.099 --> 00:54:17.460 they're speaking 00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:18.219 to this 00:54:18.219 --> 00:54:19.940 covenant of 00:54:19.940 --> 00:54:20.259 grace 00:54:20.260 --> 00:54:20.820 so they're 00:54:20.820 --> 00:54:21.320 like this 00:54:21.320 --> 00:54:29.480 but it's 00:54:29.480 --> 00:54:30.320 not ratified 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.180 until 00:54:32.180 --> 00:54:33.360 Christ 00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:33.740 comes 00:54:33.740 --> 00:54:34.820 so a 00:54:34.820 --> 00:54:35.100 text 00:54:35.100 --> 00:54:36.660 this is 00:54:36.660 --> 00:54:37.440 Hebrews 9 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:39.420 verse 11 00:54:39.420 --> 00:54:40.300 through 15 00:54:40.300 --> 00:54:42.060 but when 00:54:42.060 --> 00:54:42.440 Christ 00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:42.800 appeared 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:43.019 as a 00:54:43.019 --> 00:54:43.220 high 00:54:43.220 --> 00:54:43.500 priest 00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:43.740 of the 00:54:43.740 --> 00:54:43.960 good 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:44.260 things 00:54:44.260 --> 00:54:44.380 that 00:54:44.380 --> 00:54:44.480 have 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:44.840 come 00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:45.720 then 00:54:45.720 --> 00:54:45.880 through 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:46.060 the 00:54:46.060 --> 00:54:46.480 greater 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:46.880 and 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:47.120 more 00:54:47.120 --> 00:54:47.580 perfect 00:54:47.580 --> 00:54:48.019 tent 00:54:48.019 --> 00:54:48.519 not made 00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:48.680 with 00:54:48.680 --> 00:54:49.000 hands 00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:49.320 that is 00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:49.640 not of 00:54:49.640 --> 00:54:49.800 this 00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:50.180 creation 00:54:50.180 --> 00:54:51.300 he 00:54:51.300 --> 00:54:51.660 entered 00:54:51.660 --> 00:54:52.300 once for 00:54:52.300 --> 00:54:52.600 all 00:54:52.600 --> 00:54:52.940 into the 00:54:52.940 --> 00:54:53.140 holy 00:54:53.140 --> 00:54:53.440 places 00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:53.840 not by 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:54.280 means of 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:54.360 the 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:54.500 blood 00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:55.019 of goats 00:54:55.019 --> 00:54:55.680 and calves 00:54:55.680 --> 00:54:56.000 but by 00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:56.380 means of 00:54:56.380 --> 00:54:56.519 his 00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:57.019 own 00:54:57.019 --> 00:54:57.480 blood 00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:58.519 thus 00:54:58.519 --> 00:54:59.100 securing 00:54:59.100 --> 00:54:59.940 an 00:54:59.940 --> 00:55:00.420 eternal 00:55:00.420 --> 00:55:00.420 00:55:10.300 --> 00:55:12.420 blood of Christ, who through the eternal 00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:14.340 spirit offered himself without blemish to 00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:16.380 God, purify our conscience from dead works 00:55:16.380 --> 00:55:18.200 to serve the living God. 00:55:19.080 --> 00:55:20.500 Therefore he is the mediator 00:55:20.500 --> 00:55:21.840 of a new covenant 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.460 so that those who are called may receive 00:55:24.460 --> 00:55:26.400 the promised eternal inheritance 00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:28.460 since the death has occurred that redeems 00:55:28.460 --> 00:55:30.019 them from the transgressions 00:55:30.019 --> 00:55:32.300 committed under the 00:55:32.300 --> 00:55:33.500 first covenant. 00:55:35.120 --> 00:55:35.680 Okay. 00:55:37.680 --> 00:55:38.660 So here's 00:55:38.660 --> 00:55:39.440 where you would find 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.420 so you hear me, I wrote here 00:55:42.420 --> 00:55:43.460 ratified 00:55:43.460 --> 00:55:45.840 here 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.679 covenant of grace 00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:52.119 ratified. 00:55:54.860 --> 00:55:57.039 And it's what distinguishes 00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:58.740 this 00:55:58.740 --> 00:56:00.159 this as 00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:02.740 old covenant, like we're not using the 00:56:02.740 --> 00:56:04.360 administration language here 00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:06.220 but old covenant 00:56:06.220 --> 00:56:08.159 and new covenant. 00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:10.219 The new covenant is really new 00:56:10.219 --> 00:56:11.440 is what some guys would argue 00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:13.339 and there's 00:56:13.339 --> 00:56:14.159 therefore 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.500 less continuity. 00:56:17.399 --> 00:56:18.699 There's still some continuity 00:56:18.699 --> 00:56:20.779 but there's less 00:56:20.779 --> 00:56:21.879 continuity. 00:56:22.399 --> 00:56:23.599 So the sign of 00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:24.679 circumcision 00:56:24.679 --> 00:56:27.279 points to the need for the circumcision 00:56:27.279 --> 00:56:28.119 of our hearts 00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:29.779 accomplished by 00:56:29.779 --> 00:56:31.139 Christ 00:56:31.139 --> 00:56:32.639 replaced. 00:56:33.420 --> 00:56:34.480 It's no longer. 00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:36.099 Now we have 00:56:36.099 --> 00:56:36.639 baptism 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:38.179 as a different thing 00:56:38.179 --> 00:56:39.379 that points to what God 00:56:39.379 --> 00:56:40.239 has accomplished. 00:56:40.460 --> 00:56:41.879 It's pointing back to a reality 00:56:41.879 --> 00:56:42.379 that he has 00:56:42.379 --> 00:56:43.579 created in us. 00:56:44.319 --> 00:56:44.759 Less 00:56:44.759 --> 00:56:46.219 continuity. 00:56:46.460 --> 00:56:47.259 And that's 00:56:47.259 --> 00:56:48.239 where the rub is. 00:56:48.879 --> 00:56:49.179 So 00:56:49.179 --> 00:56:50.239 hermeneutically 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.299 how you read these 00:56:52.299 --> 00:56:53.400 and there's a lot of text 00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:54.179 and I just decided 00:56:54.179 --> 00:56:55.480 I can't get into it all tonight. 00:56:55.579 --> 00:56:56.420 There's just no way. 00:56:56.980 --> 00:56:58.059 I don't even have the notes for it 00:56:58.059 --> 00:56:58.539 so don't ask me 00:56:58.539 --> 00:56:59.220 what all the texts are. 00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:01.559 There's a lot to be 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:02.900 peeled through 00:57:02.900 --> 00:57:03.500 and understood. 00:57:04.300 --> 00:57:04.800 Read your Bibles 00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:05.639 over and over 00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:06.340 and over and over 00:57:06.340 --> 00:57:07.400 again. 00:57:08.220 --> 00:57:08.480 But how 00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:09.539 you read the Bible 00:57:09.539 --> 00:57:10.420 how you approach 00:57:10.420 --> 00:57:12.000 these covenants 00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:14.360 God's redemptive purpose 00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.860 is going to tend you 00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:17.320 toward 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:18.220 one conclusion 00:57:18.220 --> 00:57:18.860 or another. 00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:20.559 Tend you 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:21.460 one conclusion 00:57:21.460 --> 00:57:22.639 or another. 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:24.800 Yes? 00:57:24.800 --> 00:57:31.680 Seal. 00:57:33.300 --> 00:57:34.500 The covenants of God 00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:35.820 all needed blood sacrifice 00:57:35.820 --> 00:57:36.480 to make them 00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.160 it's like the way 00:57:38.160 --> 00:57:38.980 that he signed them 00:57:38.980 --> 00:57:39.580 was with blood. 00:57:40.500 --> 00:57:40.580 Yeah. 00:57:42.080 --> 00:57:42.840 Is that a fair 00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:43.640 definition, Ty? 00:57:46.200 --> 00:57:46.640 Yeah. 00:57:47.740 --> 00:57:48.140 Yeah. 00:57:48.620 --> 00:57:49.019 Yeah. 00:57:49.720 --> 00:57:50.980 Your brow looked furrowed 00:57:50.980 --> 00:57:51.320 that's why. 00:57:52.860 --> 00:57:53.300 Okay. 00:57:53.300 --> 00:57:54.960 Is that your listening face? 00:57:57.200 --> 00:57:57.960 I have yet 00:57:57.960 --> 00:57:58.340 I'm going to 00:57:58.340 --> 00:57:59.019 I'm going to figure out 00:57:59.019 --> 00:57:59.519 a way to draw 00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:00.000 the progressive 00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:01.060 covenantal thing. 00:58:01.140 --> 00:58:02.140 I have not figured out 00:58:02.140 --> 00:58:02.700 how to make it 00:58:02.700 --> 00:58:03.280 look different 00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:03.740 than this one 00:58:03.740 --> 00:58:05.539 but I'm working on it. 00:58:07.940 --> 00:58:09.960 Maybe a less dashed line 00:58:09.960 --> 00:58:10.380 like 00:58:10.380 --> 00:58:11.700 big dashes 00:58:11.700 --> 00:58:12.080 I don't know. 00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:17.279 Okay. 00:58:17.279 --> 00:58:17.319 Okay. 00:58:17.779 --> 00:58:18.139 So 00:58:18.139 --> 00:58:19.920 I'm going to 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:20.279 I'm going to 00:58:20.279 --> 00:58:21.340 just press a little bit 00:58:21.340 --> 00:58:22.199 on 00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:24.599 credo baptism 00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:26.139 from the scripture 00:58:26.139 --> 00:58:27.539 why 00:58:27.539 --> 00:58:28.779 that's where I'm at 00:58:28.779 --> 00:58:30.099 where 00:58:30.099 --> 00:58:30.679 again 00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:31.239 as a 00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:31.940 total 00:58:31.940 --> 00:58:32.659 our church 00:58:32.659 --> 00:58:33.400 is at 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:36.420 this is from 00:58:36.420 --> 00:58:36.980 the 00:58:36.980 --> 00:58:37.900 Second London Baptist 00:58:37.900 --> 00:58:38.400 Confession 00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:38.960 this is 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:39.759 article 00:58:39.759 --> 00:58:40.840 29 00:58:40.840 --> 00:58:42.539 which is on baptism 00:58:42.539 --> 00:58:43.920 and it has 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:45.500 has four sections 00:58:45.500 --> 00:58:46.200 so 00:58:46.200 --> 00:58:47.300 we're going to 00:58:47.300 --> 00:58:47.840 take each of those 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:48.800 sections as a point 00:58:48.800 --> 00:58:50.780 so 00:58:50.780 --> 00:58:51.660 number one 00:58:51.660 --> 00:58:53.559 they write 00:58:53.559 --> 00:58:54.440 baptism is an 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:55.120 ordinance of the 00:58:55.120 --> 00:58:55.680 New Testament 00:58:55.680 --> 00:58:57.240 ordained by 00:58:57.240 --> 00:58:57.960 Jesus Christ 00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:58.340 that's 00:58:58.340 --> 00:58:59.240 Mark 1 00:58:59.240 --> 00:58:59.519 9 00:58:59.519 --> 00:59:01.200 to those baptized 00:59:01.200 --> 00:59:02.000 it is a sign 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:02.780 of their fellowship 00:59:02.780 --> 00:59:03.300 with him 00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:03.760 and his death 00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:04.320 and resurrection 00:59:04.320 --> 00:59:05.660 of their being 00:59:05.660 --> 00:59:06.740 grafted into 00:59:06.740 --> 00:59:07.579 or united 00:59:07.579 --> 00:59:08.160 with him 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:09.639 of remission 00:59:09.639 --> 00:59:10.299 of sins 00:59:10.299 --> 00:59:11.539 and of submitting 00:59:11.539 --> 00:59:12.440 themselves to God 00:59:12.440 --> 00:59:13.179 through Jesus Christ 00:59:13.179 --> 00:59:13.699 to live 00:59:13.699 --> 00:59:14.699 and walk 00:59:14.699 --> 00:59:15.579 in newness of life 00:59:15.579 --> 00:59:15.879 so 00:59:15.879 --> 00:59:16.759 baptism 00:59:16.759 --> 00:59:17.460 they're saying 00:59:17.460 --> 00:59:19.059 pictures a thing 00:59:19.059 --> 00:59:19.699 that has occurred 00:59:19.699 --> 00:59:21.799 symbolically pictures 00:59:21.799 --> 00:59:22.659 a thing that's already 00:59:22.659 --> 00:59:23.139 happened 00:59:23.139 --> 00:59:26.679 Romans 6 00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:27.599 3-5 00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:28.920 do you not know 00:59:28.920 --> 00:59:29.639 that all of us 00:59:29.639 --> 00:59:29.940 who have been 00:59:29.940 --> 00:59:30.759 baptized into 00:59:30.759 --> 00:59:31.279 Christ Jesus 00:59:31.279 --> 00:59:31.900 were baptized 00:59:31.900 --> 00:59:33.019 into his death 00:59:33.019 --> 00:59:33.719 we were buried 00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:34.500 therefore with 00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:35.659 him by baptism 00:59:35.659 --> 00:59:36.440 into death 00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:37.679 in order that 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:38.299 just as Christ 00:59:38.299 --> 00:59:38.739 was raised 00:59:38.739 --> 00:59:39.299 from the dead 00:59:39.299 --> 00:59:39.779 by the glory 00:59:39.779 --> 00:59:40.199 of the Father 00:59:40.199 --> 00:59:41.000 we too might 00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:41.420 walk 00:59:41.420 --> 00:59:42.420 in newness 00:59:42.420 --> 00:59:42.900 of life 00:59:42.900 --> 00:59:43.819 for if we 00:59:43.819 --> 00:59:44.139 have been 00:59:44.139 --> 00:59:44.659 united with 00:59:44.659 --> 00:59:44.940 him in a 00:59:44.940 --> 00:59:45.099 death 00:59:45.099 --> 00:59:45.500 like his 00:59:45.500 --> 00:59:45.819 we shall 00:59:45.819 --> 00:59:46.159 certainly 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:46.599 be united 00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:47.000 with him 00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:47.759 in a 00:59:47.759 --> 00:59:48.159 resurrection 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:49.079 like his 00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:49.900 so a thing 00:59:49.900 --> 00:59:50.400 that's happened 00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:50.920 baptism 00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:52.659 pictures it 00:59:52.659 --> 00:59:53.219 for us 00:59:53.219 --> 00:59:54.679 by the way 00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:55.199 Pato-Baptists 00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:56.639 have good 00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:57.539 good 00:59:57.539 --> 00:59:58.239 faithful 00:59:58.239 --> 00:59:58.719 explanations 00:59:58.719 --> 00:59:59.099 for a lot 00:59:59.099 --> 00:59:59.299 of these 00:59:59.299 --> 00:59:59.559 texts 00:59:59.559 --> 00:59:59.779 so 00:59:59.779 --> 01:00:01.319 yeah 01:00:01.319 --> 01:00:02.759 talk 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01:11:27.139 go 01:11:27.139 --> 01:11:27.579 I'll 01:11:27.579 --> 01:11:27.779 get back 01:11:27.779 --> 01:11:27.920 to you 01:11:27.920 --> 01:11:28.199 on that 01:11:28.199 --> 01:11:28.460 let me 01:11:28.460 --> 01:11:28.659 go 01:11:28.659 --> 01:11:29.420 run 01:11:29.420 --> 01:11:29.659 that 01:11:29.659 --> 01:11:30.019 down 01:11:30.019 --> 01:11:30.739 but 01:11:30.739 --> 01:11:30.939 anything 01:11:30.939 --> 01:11:31.099 that 01:11:31.099 --> 01:11:31.259 I've 01:11:31.259 --> 01:11:31.719 said 01:11:31.719 --> 01:11:31.960 that 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:32.199 needs 01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:32.739 to be 01:11:32.739 --> 01:11:33.559 clarified 01:11:33.559 --> 01:11:34.099 a bit 01:11:34.099 --> 01:11:34.659 repeated 01:11:34.659 --> 01:11:35.939 etc 01:11:35.939 --> 01:11:39.419 yes 01:11:39.419 --> 01:11:55.919 I don't 01:11:55.919 --> 01:11:56.419 anybody 01:11:56.419 --> 01:11:56.699 know the 01:11:56.699 --> 01:11:56.979 answer to 01:11:56.979 --> 01:11:57.239 that 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.279 congregational 01:12:00.279 --> 01:12:00.919 Quakers 01:12:00.919 --> 01:12:03.239 yeah 01:12:03.239 --> 01:12:04.839 yeah 01:12:04.839 --> 01:12:05.739 yeah 01:12:05.739 --> 01:12:08.139 there you 01:12:08.139 --> 01:12:08.479 go 01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:10.059 there's a 01:12:10.059 --> 01:12:10.319 handful 01:12:10.319 --> 01:12:10.639 yeah 01:12:10.639 --> 01:12:12.279 I should 01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:12.460 probably 01:12:12.460 --> 01:12:13.420 know more 01:12:13.420 --> 01:12:14.599 yep 01:12:14.599 --> 01:12:24.519 yep 01:12:24.519 --> 01:12:24.819 yep 01:12:24.819 --> 01:12:25.319 yep 01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:25.559 yep 01:12:25.559 --> 01:12:26.420 so again 01:12:26.420 --> 01:12:27.039 lots of 01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:27.380 agreement 01:12:27.380 --> 01:12:28.579 a lot of 01:12:28.579 --> 01:12:28.819 agreement 01:12:28.819 --> 01:12:29.260 going on 01:12:29.260 --> 01:12:29.420 here 01:12:29.420 --> 01:12:30.019 it really 01:12:30.019 --> 01:12:30.380 has to 01:12:30.380 --> 01:12:30.859 do with 01:12:30.859 --> 01:12:31.739 with the 01:12:31.739 --> 01:12:32.039 covenant 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:32.779 of grace's 01:12:32.779 --> 01:12:33.399 activity 01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:34.500 so here 01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:34.859 you've got 01:12:34.859 --> 01:12:35.159 covenant 01:12:35.159 --> 01:12:35.539 of grace 01:12:35.539 --> 01:12:36.039 with two 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:36.720 administrations 01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:37.060 I'd say 01:12:37.060 --> 01:12:37.439 this is the 01:12:37.439 --> 01:12:38.140 most distinct 01:12:38.140 --> 01:12:38.859 thing going 01:12:38.859 --> 01:12:39.279 on 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:39.859 two 01:12:39.859 --> 01:12:40.600 administrations 01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:42.859 and here 01:12:42.859 --> 01:12:43.619 they're saying 01:12:43.619 --> 01:12:44.019 it wasn't 01:12:44.019 --> 01:12:44.819 ratified until 01:12:44.819 --> 01:12:45.119 Christ 01:12:45.119 --> 01:12:45.500 so it's 01:12:45.500 --> 01:12:46.380 it just 01:12:46.380 --> 01:12:46.960 it just 01:12:46.960 --> 01:12:47.319 sees 01:12:47.319 --> 01:12:48.359 more 01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:50.079 discontinuity 01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:50.779 something 01:12:50.779 --> 01:12:51.539 different is 01:12:51.539 --> 01:12:52.260 happening here 01:12:52.260 --> 01:12:53.060 these 01:12:53.060 --> 01:12:54.340 these 01:12:54.340 --> 01:12:54.939 covenants 01:12:54.939 --> 01:12:56.199 are doing 01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:56.720 things 01:12:56.720 --> 01:12:57.399 right 01:12:57.399 --> 01:12:58.079 they're active 01:12:58.079 --> 01:12:59.019 they're involved 01:12:59.019 --> 01:12:59.659 in God's 01:12:59.659 --> 01:13:00.439 redemptive plan 01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:01.359 but as 01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:02.359 as pointing 01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:03.699 covenant of grace 01:13:03.699 --> 01:13:04.100 covenant of grace 01:13:04.100 --> 01:13:04.780 covenant of grace 01:13:04.780 --> 01:13:05.480 there's just 01:13:05.480 --> 01:13:06.220 more discontinuity 01:13:06.220 --> 01:13:06.720 in the process 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:07.100 of it all 01:13:07.100 --> 01:13:08.800 it's really 01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:09.340 that simple 01:13:09.340 --> 01:13:10.940 what do you 01:13:10.940 --> 01:13:11.520 mean by 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:12.380 administration 01:13:12.380 --> 01:13:13.980 Ty you want 01:13:13.980 --> 01:13:14.320 to define 01:13:14.320 --> 01:13:14.780 administration 01:13:14.780 --> 01:13:15.960 yes 01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:17.620 so we all 01:13:17.620 --> 01:13:18.000 know about 01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:18.520 presidential 01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:19.160 administration 01:13:19.160 --> 01:13:20.380 so matter 01:13:20.380 --> 01:13:20.960 of presidential 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:21.440 administration 01:13:21.440 --> 01:13:21.860 not 01:13:21.860 --> 01:13:22.360 administration 01:13:22.360 --> 01:13:22.880 administration 01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:23.880 there's 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:24.780 a direct 01:13:24.780 --> 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01:14:37.939 --> 01:14:38.359 testament 01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:39.220 promises 01:14:39.220 --> 01:14:40.199 to Israel 01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:40.840 easy 01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:41.359 just to go 01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:41.579 oh 01:14:41.579 --> 01:14:41.920 they're talking 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:42.119 about the 01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:42.420 church 01:14:42.420 --> 01:14:43.039 it's nice 01:14:43.039 --> 01:14:43.300 when you 01:14:43.300 --> 01:14:43.680 read it 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:44.779 simpler 01:14:44.779 --> 01:14:45.560 that way 01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:46.380 I don't 01:14:46.380 --> 01:14:47.980 find my 01:14:47.980 --> 01:14:48.359 reading of 01:14:48.359 --> 01:14:48.600 the old 01:14:48.600 --> 01:14:48.920 testament 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:50.699 that easy 01:14:50.699 --> 01:14:51.039 I don't 01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:51.699 think it's 01:14:51.699 --> 01:14:51.980 I think it's 01:14:51.980 --> 01:14:52.119 a little 01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:52.739 too simple 01:14:52.739 --> 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--> 01:24:19.079 and then I 01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:19.539 read what 01:24:19.539 --> 01:24:20.700 the apostles 01:24:20.700 --> 01:24:21.920 say about 01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:22.640 that instance 01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:23.500 my understanding 01:24:23.500 --> 01:24:24.119 is that 01:24:24.119 --> 01:24:26.020 it was 01:24:26.020 --> 01:24:26.780 meant to 01:24:26.780 --> 01:24:27.300 point to 01:24:27.300 --> 01:24:27.780 Christ 01:24:27.780 --> 01:24:28.520 it was 01:24:28.520 --> 01:24:29.380 for 01:24:29.380 --> 01:24:30.680 them 01:24:30.680 --> 01:24:31.180 in that 01:24:31.180 --> 01:24:31.840 time 01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:32.380 so for 01:24:32.380 --> 01:24:32.659 example 01:24:32.659 --> 01:24:33.279 God told 01:24:33.279 --> 01:24:33.800 Moses to 01:24:33.800 --> 01:24:34.239 strike the 01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:34.519 rock 01:24:34.519 --> 01:24:36.180 and water 01:24:36.180 --> 01:24:36.479 would come 01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:36.659 out 01:24:36.659 --> 01:24:36.960 so he 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:37.319 did 01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:38.479 and there 01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:38.979 is that 01:24:38.979 --> 01:24:41.559 in a way 01:24:41.559 --> 01:24:42.079 it's a 01:24:42.079 --> 01:24:42.519 prophecy 01:24:42.519 --> 01:24:43.479 Christ 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.720 being struck 01:24:45.720 --> 01:24:46.819 put to 01:24:46.819 --> 01:24:47.119 death on 01:24:47.119 --> 01:24:47.559 the cross 01:24:47.559 --> 01:24:48.019 for a 01:24:48.019 --> 01:24:48.239 sin 01:24:48.239 --> 01:24:49.039 and out 01:24:49.039 --> 01:24:49.479 from that 01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:49.699 is 01:24:49.699 --> 01:24:50.260 floating 01:24:50.260 --> 01:24:50.559 in the 01:24:50.559 --> 01:24:50.819 water 01:24:50.819 --> 01:24:52.079 the second 01:24:52.079 --> 01:24:52.659 time when 01:24:52.659 --> 01:24:53.300 he told 01:24:53.300 --> 01:24:54.139 Moses to 01:24:54.139 --> 01:24:55.220 speak to 01:24:55.220 --> 01:24:55.680 the rock 01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:56.279 was 01:24:56.279 --> 01:24:57.979 that 01:24:57.979 --> 01:25:00.119 Christ 01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:00.939 crucifying 01:25:00.939 --> 01:25:01.500 and dying 01:25:01.500 --> 01:25:01.939 would be 01:25:01.939 --> 01:25:02.260 put to 01:25:02.260 --> 01:25:02.479 death 01:25:02.479 --> 01:25:02.679 our 01:25:02.679 --> 01:25:03.079 sins 01:25:03.079 --> 01:25:04.099 bringing 01:25:04.099 --> 01:25:04.479 us 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:04.819 living 01:25:04.819 --> 01:25:05.219 water 01:25:05.219 --> 01:25:05.599 that's 01:25:05.599 --> 01:25:06.079 happened 01:25:06.079 --> 01:25:07.779 and now 01:25:07.779 --> 01:25:08.239 God is 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:08.519 saying 01:25:08.519 --> 01:25:09.439 in faith 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:10.279 ask 01:25:10.279 --> 01:25:10.859 and receive 01:25:10.859 --> 01:25:12.099 but Moses 01:25:12.099 --> 01:25:12.519 didn't do 01:25:12.519 --> 01:25:12.879 that 01:25:12.879 --> 01:25:14.139 he disobeyed 01:25:14.139 --> 01:25:14.419 God 01:25:14.419 --> 01:25:15.399 and 01:25:15.399 --> 01:25:19.599 I guess 01:25:19.599 --> 01:25:20.539 if I'm 01:25:20.539 --> 01:25:21.019 understanding 01:25:21.019 --> 01:25:21.479 it right 01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:22.519 I guess 01:25:22.519 --> 01:25:23.679 the talk 01:25:23.679 --> 01:25:24.279 people would 01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:24.579 say 01:25:24.579 --> 01:25:25.839 that 01:25:25.839 --> 01:25:27.699 those that 01:25:27.699 --> 01:25:28.779 saw that 01:25:28.779 --> 01:25:29.319 as 01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:30.399 prophetic 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:31.460 that 01:25:31.460 --> 01:25:31.619 there 01:25:31.619 --> 01:25:32.099 somehow 01:25:32.099 --> 01:25:33.099 an 01:25:33.099 --> 01:25:33.939 administering 01:25:33.939 --> 01:25:34.479 of their 01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:35.699 salvation 01:25:35.699 --> 01:25:36.439 through that 01:25:36.439 --> 01:25:36.899 faith 01:25:36.899 --> 01:25:37.460 in the 01:25:37.460 --> 01:25:38.000 what was 01:25:38.000 --> 01:25:38.380 to come 01:25:38.380 --> 01:25:39.659 versus 01:25:39.659 --> 01:25:40.880 the lower 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:41.259 view 01:25:41.259 --> 01:25:42.179 which is 01:25:42.179 --> 01:25:42.439 simply 01:25:42.439 --> 01:25:42.759 saying 01:25:42.759 --> 01:25:43.179 that's 01:25:43.179 --> 01:25:43.380 just 01:25:43.380 --> 01:25:43.779 prophetic 01:25:43.779 --> 01:25:44.380 Christ 01:25:44.380 --> 01:25:45.000 but it 01:25:45.000 --> 01:25:45.219 doesn't 01:25:45.219 --> 01:25:46.119 administer 01:25:46.119 --> 01:25:46.739 anything 01:25:46.739 --> 01:25:47.139 to 01:25:47.139 --> 01:25:47.380 salvation 01:25:47.380 --> 01:25:48.840 is that 01:25:48.840 --> 01:25:49.840 there's 01:25:49.840 --> 01:25:49.979 still 01:25:49.979 --> 01:25:50.840 salvation 01:25:50.840 --> 01:25:51.159 comes 01:25:51.159 --> 01:25:51.399 through 01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:51.880 faith 01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:54.259 but how 01:25:54.259 --> 01:25:54.800 does that 01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:55.259 example 01:25:55.259 --> 01:25:56.199 practically 01:25:56.199 --> 01:25:57.000 come 01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:57.479 together 01:25:57.479 --> 01:25:58.279 I guess 01:25:58.279 --> 01:26:01.619 yeah 01:26:01.619 --> 01:26:02.279 when I 01:26:02.279 --> 01:26:02.500 hear the 01:26:02.500 --> 01:26:02.880 questions 01:26:02.880 --> 01:26:03.259 what I 01:26:03.259 --> 01:26:03.639 think 01:26:03.639 --> 01:26:03.939 they're 01:26:03.939 --> 01:26:04.259 asking 01:26:04.259 --> 01:26:04.719 about 01:26:04.719 --> 01:26:05.460 is that 01:26:05.460 --> 01:26:06.699 required 01:26:06.699 --> 01:26:07.800 self-dific 01:26:07.800 --> 01:26:08.359 knowledge 01:26:08.359 --> 01:26:08.819 base 01:26:08.819 --> 01:26:09.899 like 01:26:09.899 --> 01:26:10.039 it's 01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:10.279 about 01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:12.739 Jesus 01:26:12.739 --> 01:26:14.380 and I 01:26:14.380 --> 01:26:14.539 would 01:26:14.539 --> 01:26:14.739 just 01:26:14.739 --> 01:26:15.019 say 01:26:15.019 --> 01:26:15.899 don't 01:26:15.899 --> 01:26:16.300 conflate 01:26:16.300 --> 01:26:16.539 those 01:26:16.539 --> 01:26:16.739 two 01:26:16.739 --> 01:26:17.179 things 01:26:17.179 --> 01:26:18.219 that 01:26:18.219 --> 01:26:19.000 that's 01:26:19.000 --> 01:26:19.099 a 01:26:19.099 --> 01:26:19.420 ruling 01:26:19.420 --> 01:26:19.920 target 01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:21.219 what's 01:26:21.219 --> 01:26:21.319 a 01:26:21.319 --> 01:26:21.759 progressive 01:26:21.759 --> 01:26:22.399 revelation 01:26:22.399 --> 01:26:23.099 implies 01:26:23.099 --> 01:26:23.719 is that 01:26:23.719 --> 01:26:24.199 people know 01:26:24.199 --> 01:26:24.439 more 01:26:24.439 --> 01:26:25.059 over time 01:26:25.059 --> 01:26:26.340 so it's 01:26:26.340 --> 01:26:26.840 not like 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:27.500 you believe 01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:29.020 that's 01:26:29.020 --> 01:26:29.279 how we 01:26:29.279 --> 01:26:29.680 identify 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:30.100 that you're 01:26:30.100 --> 01:26:30.460 redeemed 01:26:30.460 --> 01:26:31.560 but that 01:26:31.560 --> 01:26:32.199 one covenant 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:32.840 of grace 01:26:32.840 --> 01:26:34.600 would entail 01:26:34.600 --> 01:26:35.359 a specific 01:26:35.359 --> 01:26:35.840 amount of 01:26:35.840 --> 01:26:36.220 knowledge 01:26:36.220 --> 01:26:36.760 at various 01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:37.119 points 01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:37.680 in time 01:26:37.680 --> 01:26:38.680 does that 01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:39.180 help at all 01:26:39.180 --> 01:26:39.380 yeah 01:26:39.380 --> 01:26:41.319 I fear I drew 01:26:41.319 --> 01:26:41.699 a picture 01:26:41.699 --> 01:26:42.140 and it 01:26:42.140 --> 01:26:42.819 complicated it 01:26:42.819 --> 01:26:43.060 for you 01:26:43.060 --> 01:26:43.319 instead of 01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:43.939 simplifying it 01:26:43.939 --> 01:26:44.300 for you 01:26:44.300 --> 01:26:46.840 that 01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:48.079 that story 01:26:48.079 --> 01:26:49.779 of a 01:26:49.779 --> 01:26:50.079 faithful 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:50.800 paedo-baptist 01:26:50.800 --> 01:26:51.220 and a 01:26:51.220 --> 01:26:51.739 faithful 01:26:51.739 --> 01:26:52.260 credo-baptist 01:26:52.260 --> 01:26:52.960 would preach 01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:53.319 the same 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:53.600 way 01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:54.279 I don't 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:54.539 think we 01:26:54.539 --> 01:26:54.979 would have 01:26:54.979 --> 01:26:55.800 I mean 01:26:55.800 --> 01:26:56.159 it would be 01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:56.819 so minute 01:26:56.819 --> 01:26:58.779 in maybe 01:26:58.779 --> 01:26:59.059 some of 01:26:59.059 --> 01:26:59.799 the language 01:26:59.799 --> 01:27:00.259 we would 01:27:00.259 --> 01:27:00.799 use 01:27:00.799 --> 01:27:01.380 perhaps 01:27:01.380 --> 01:27:02.159 but yeah 01:27:02.159 --> 01:27:02.559 I think 01:27:02.559 --> 01:27:03.139 that's my 01:27:03.139 --> 01:27:04.039 knee-jerk 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:04.399 response 01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:04.880 is nothing 01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:05.219 it doesn't 01:27:05.219 --> 01:27:05.699 change anything 01:27:05.699 --> 01:27:08.219 there's so 01:27:08.219 --> 01:27:08.899 much agreement 01:27:08.899 --> 01:27:10.079 between the 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:10.299 two 01:27:10.299 --> 01:27:11.759 the big 01:27:11.759 --> 01:27:12.139 thing 01:27:12.139 --> 01:27:12.799 is really 01:27:12.799 --> 01:27:14.340 when is 01:27:14.340 --> 01:27:15.139 this ratified 01:27:15.139 --> 01:27:16.899 and therefore 01:27:16.899 --> 01:27:18.420 the conclusion 01:27:18.420 --> 01:27:19.599 that there's 01:27:19.599 --> 01:27:20.340 more or 01:27:20.340 --> 01:27:20.799 less 01:27:20.799 --> 01:27:21.899 continuity 01:27:21.899 --> 01:27:22.759 between 01:27:22.759 --> 01:27:23.559 old and 01:27:23.559 --> 01:27:23.759 new 01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:26.300 but the 01:27:26.300 --> 01:27:26.900 people of 01:27:26.900 --> 01:27:27.159 god 01:27:27.159 --> 01:27:27.600 believe 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:27.980 god 01:27:27.980 --> 01:27:28.739 and 01:27:28.739 --> 01:27:29.140 old and 01:27:29.140 --> 01:27:29.260 new 01:27:29.260 --> 01:27:29.600 testament 01:27:29.600 --> 01:27:29.940 they 01:27:29.940 --> 01:27:30.199 believe 01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:30.520 whatever 01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:30.820 he had 01:27:30.820 --> 01:27:31.100 revealed 01:27:31.100 --> 01:27:31.380 up to 01:27:31.380 --> 01:27:31.780 that point 01:27:31.780 --> 01:27:32.680 even if 01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:32.940 they didn't 01:27:32.940 --> 01:27:33.640 fully understand 01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:33.900 it 01:27:33.900 --> 01:27:34.760 that's the 01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:35.800 distinction 01:27:35.800 --> 01:27:36.800 that's the 01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:37.039 unity 01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:37.280 of the 01:27:37.280 --> 01:27:37.480 matter 01:27:37.480 --> 01:27:38.039 yep 01:27:38.039 --> 01:27:39.300 yep 01:27:39.300 --> 01:27:40.300 yep 01:27:40.300 --> 01:27:41.300 yep 01:27:41.300 --> 01:27:41.640 okay 01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:41.960 Matthew 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:42.300 this is the 01:27:42.300 --> 01:27:42.640 last one 01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:42.980 and then I'm 01:27:42.980 --> 01:27:43.260 going to pray 01:27:43.260 --> 01:27:44.039 and let you 01:27:44.039 --> 01:27:44.340 guys go 01:27:44.340 --> 01:27:44.619 if you want 01:27:44.619 --> 01:27:44.780 to go 01:27:44.780 --> 01:27:45.039 and you can 01:27:45.039 --> 01:27:45.300 hang out 01:27:45.300 --> 01:27:45.539 and talk 01:27:45.539 --> 01:27:45.860 if you want 01:27:45.860 --> 01:27:45.960 to 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:46.360 as long 01:27:46.360 --> 01:27:46.560 as you 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:46.720 want 01:27:46.720 --> 01:27:47.020 to 01:27:47.020 --> 01:28:03.540 it depends 01:28:03.540 --> 01:28:04.580 it depends 01:28:04.580 --> 01:28:05.060 broadly 01:28:05.060 --> 01:28:05.620 so you're 01:28:05.620 --> 01:28:05.760 going to 01:28:05.760 --> 01:28:06.100 have 01:28:06.100 --> 01:28:06.980 one end 01:28:06.980 --> 01:28:07.160 of the 01:28:07.160 --> 01:28:07.480 spectrum 01:28:07.480 --> 01:28:08.800 spontaneous 01:28:08.800 --> 01:28:09.280 even 01:28:09.280 --> 01:28:10.120 make a 01:28:10.120 --> 01:28:10.480 profession 01:28:10.480 --> 01:28:11.280 baptized 01:28:11.280 --> 01:28:12.200 and then 01:28:12.200 --> 01:28:12.380 there's 01:28:12.380 --> 01:28:12.580 some 01:28:12.580 --> 01:28:13.260 traditions 01:28:13.260 --> 01:28:13.660 or even 01:28:13.660 --> 01:28:13.860 just 01:28:13.860 --> 01:28:14.200 churches 01:28:14.200 --> 01:28:14.680 individually 01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:15.340 that have 01:28:15.340 --> 01:28:15.840 big 01:28:15.840 --> 01:28:16.280 examination 01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:17.059 processes 01:28:17.059 --> 01:28:18.119 for that 01:28:18.119 --> 01:28:18.420 to take 01:28:18.420 --> 01:28:18.779 place 01:28:18.779 --> 01:28:19.380 so it's 01:28:19.380 --> 01:28:20.019 a spectrum 01:28:20.019 --> 01:28:20.420 all over 01:28:20.420 --> 01:28:20.800 the place 01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:21.639 so 01:28:21.639 --> 01:28:22.179 yeah 01:28:22.179 --> 01:28:25.259 I said 01:28:25.259 --> 01:28:25.559 one more 01:28:25.559 --> 01:28:25.920 go ahead 01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.179 okay 01:28:28.179 --> 01:28:29.819 okay 01:28:29.819 --> 01:28:30.420 thank y'all 01:28:30.420 --> 01:28:30.719 for coming 01:28:30.719 --> 01:28:31.079 let me pray 01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:31.460 for us 01:28:31.460 --> 01:28:32.059 and I'll 01:28:32.059 --> 01:28:32.340 dismiss you 01:28:32.340 --> 01:28:32.619 and again 01:28:32.619 --> 01:28:33.179 hang out 01:28:33.179 --> 01:28:34.119 you can 01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:35.619 convene 01:28:35.619 --> 01:28:35.920 around the 01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:36.099 board 01:28:36.099 --> 01:28:36.300 if you 01:28:36.300 --> 01:28:36.639 want to 01:28:36.639 --> 01:28:37.099 and I 01:28:37.099 --> 01:28:37.300 will 01:28:37.300 --> 01:28:38.199 regret 01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:38.539 drawing 01:28:38.539 --> 01:28:38.920 pictures 01:28:38.920 --> 01:28:39.840 so 01:28:39.840 --> 01:28:40.399 yeah 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:40.719 let's 01:28:40.719 --> 01:28:40.880 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