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 uh so i wonder what you think about when someone gets up to talk about money

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 i bet some of you or maybe me think actually that's a private affair don't intrude what i do

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 with my money is my affair it's not it's not god's um other people might be like oh i already

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 know the church's agenda here they just want me to give more come on that's it done

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 so i'll just switch off and i'll nod along and just dave will think he's doing a great talk if i

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 smile and nod but inside i'm thinking what am i making for dinner what am i gonna have for lunch

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 because you know i've already thought this through i tithe it's fine um or do we feel condemned or

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 guilty so often i've been to see inspiring preachers uh who talk about money sometimes and they

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 you you hear of inspiring people like um i can't remember his name american pastor he he earned

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 loads of money through the purpose-driven life if you rick warren rick warren uh so he earned a lot

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 money through that book and he said he started to tithe at 10 and then him and his wife sat down

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 they figured i actually would give a bit more 20 and now he's giving up to 90 of his wages back to

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 the church and living off that 10 and that's like the other way around what we expect and i think

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 that's great for you i'm just going to hold that arm's length and just you do that that's fine i can't do

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 that um and so we hear these inspiring messages people have laid down everything and gone off and

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 done something else and inside if i'm honest i just feel a bit condemned and guilty and then as a

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 result i'll switch off and just nod along and say yeah great don't disturb me in my way of doing things

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 so i've been given the task of talking about money in church so you might be feeling various of those

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 responses um that's that's the reality isn't it that's where we're at you also might feel joy and

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 happiness at stages of this talk which is lovely as well so we'll go we'll see so why is money so

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 important to god um quick question did jesus say more about money in the bible than he did about

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 heaven and hell yes he did he said a lot more about money jesus said more about handling money

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 possessions than any other single thing in the bible now i've got a friend called pete berry and he got

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 up to do a sermon once a previous church i went to and it was about money and he pulled out a 10 pound

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 note and i wish i was doing i'm not brave enough he pulled out a 10 pound note and he turned on his

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 lighter and he burnt it in front of everyone to start his talk on money we're like whoa what is he

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 doing and again various responses pop out of you they they so some people went treason you can't burn

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 the face of the of the queen that's just awful how could you do that other people were like that money

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 could have been given to the poor to charity which really reflects with mary's pouring the perfume onto

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 jesus and judas saying that money should be given to the poor because that might have been pete offering

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 up to god in his own way and a lot of people got angry some people were just like you just burnt money

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 for entertainment what are you doing like all these various responses come out of people and as a speaker

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 you can't you you just don't know what's going to come out of these kind of things we all have

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 different emotional and physical responses to money um uh but i'll always remember that talk because it

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 was shocking it was really shocking he's burnt 10 pound 10 pound note

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 his his his point though is that often

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 so he has a history of um gambling addiction and he was trapped by a crushing debt in for most of his

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 adult life at this moment he'd lost his his partner he'd lost his wife his car his job everything

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 and through god it completely turned around he's now really he's an amazing salesman

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 he's got a wife he's got a child and he's got a house and he is on fire for god and when he got up

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 to do that talk he just wanted to say i am free of this and burnt it and obviously other people in

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 that congregation weren't at that point they might be on the journey and they might be nowhere near it but

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 they weren't where he was at and so he got a real angry shocking response but petebury is free of

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 money which you know i think in itself is a miracle after seeing what he's been through

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 there's also around money various myths so you might have heard from my accent i'm scottish

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 um it doesn't really come out that strong but have you ever heard of the stingy scotsman

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 well that's a no that's not a myth i'm really stingy

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 i'd like to think it was a myth but it's not the way i've been brought up

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 and there's a famous saying if you want to know what god thinks about money just look at the people

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 that have it or that he's given it to you i'm like actually i'm quite privileged is that me

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 and when we hear stories of the widow's mite in the bible she gave out of her poverty she gave

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 everything and jesus said look at that woman look what she's done compared to just giving a little

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 bit out for her wealth again is that an uncomfortable reaction you get in yourself

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 i do i feel a bit guilty and condemned

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 but if we are feeling condemned or guilty when we talk about money then we're missing the point

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 because all these stories are about the joy and the love that people encountered through jesus

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 zacchaeus met jesus transformed his life and gave back loads of his money the widow's mite

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 out of this generosity and love gave all that she had it's not about the comparison it's not about

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 a measuring stick that we've got to live up to it's not you know if we're feeling these feelings of guilt

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 and condemnation that it's wrong and often we look at the end product and not the journey they've gone

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 on so we compare ourselves to the end product like isn't rick warren amazing instead of looking at

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 the journey that he's been on i'm thinking actually that's okay

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 because we've all got different journeys to take

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 so i've got a little confession to make i am judgmental who else here is judgmental

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 well done most people that's good uh so my brother recently spent a few hundred

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 pounds quite a few hundred pounds of my parents money how dare he on my inheritance on um

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 a sleep therapist so his son was going through just not sleeping um and he's was he was two years old

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 and they just really needed some help so they sought professional help that's quite expensive

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 and me in my um thinking i know it all kind of frame of mind after having joy who's now three years

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 old and she was a great sleeper so i approached the subject of well joy slept i know how to make

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 this person sleep just give me a call i'll tell you all you need to know now i've got two children

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 the second one doesn't sleep i think god's got a sense of humor

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 but at that point in my life i was really judgmental like how dare you spend my parents

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 money on something like this it's just like like come on it's easy i did it it's easy

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 now i'm like oh a sleep therapist let's look that up

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 the point um the point is i haven't walked in your shoes you haven't walked in mine

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 and often we project our own path our own journey onto each other so i don't know what you've been

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 through i don't know what financial hardship you've been through i have never uh lived hand to mouth

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 i've never missed a meal unless it's my own choice

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 that's like um if if i had been through real poverty i might have a very different outlook on life

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 and none of us have walked the same journey we've all got our individual stories to tell

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 and so it's really hard to try to try not to be judgmental and actually just to

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 just to allow allow god to speak to us in our own place it's good to seek wisdom from each other

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 um but we need to be careful as well

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 so jesus said jesus says that you are not condemned

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 jesus said to the women in adultery in john 8 where are your accusers didn't even one of them accuse you

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 no lord she said jesus said neither do i go and sin no more for in christ jesus there is no condemnation

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 so right now no matter how you're feeling i want you to hear the message there is no condemnation

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 no matter where you're at with money there is no condemnation

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 so in praying for this talk

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 um myself and donna had a had a little pray and donna's really good at getting images from god

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 and she got this picture of a money spider and then the various things that come along with the

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 the figure you know a picture of a spider and she felt that was from god so i'm here to share it

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 so there's three aspects of spiders that we might have one is fear

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 are you scared of them and relating to money are you scared are you scared of not having enough

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 or maybe you have enough but you're scared that one day you won't or your children won't

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 how much fear do you have

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 now quite early on in my christian walk someone i went up for prayer ministry and someone was very

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 bold and said i've had a word from god for you and it is you will always have enough you will never

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 be rich or poor but you will have enough i was like oof okay and i actually throughout the years

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 i've hung on to that when there's been difficult times when i've been scared there's not enough

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 in the culture around me today it says i meant to be the breadwinner i meant to be earning lots of

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 money for my family my wife's on maternity leave we're now trying to save some money it's quite tight

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 and i feel like i should be out earning all the money it's the culture but i keep going back on

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 this word from god that they will will always have enough and just to do what i think god is telling

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 me to do i also um when i started doing youth work i just finished a degree in astrophysics i might

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 have told this story before but i had this huge student debt i had um yeah some debt and i couldn't

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 see a way of doing what god wants what i thought god wanted me to do which was youth work and getting

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 paid very little and still being financially stable and paying off this loan and so i asked god you

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 know i will i will go into ministry if you pay off this loan for me because i was scared i was scared

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 of like actually you know doing it without the financial backing and then i got a phone call from

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 my uncle who we hardly ever hear from he lives in malaysia and he says david i just want to pay off

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 the student debt that you got you had i'm like what you don't know what you've just done it was 15 grand

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 just gone and so then i enrolled in a in bristol baptist college and started doing a youth work degree

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 and i didn't get more debt from that it was good um but that was just an incredible moment where

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 actually my uncle said oh i was going to tell you at the start of the degree that all your student debt

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 was going to be paid for but your parents asked me not to and it just so happened at that point i

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 prayed to god and then it had been answered and so i haven't looked back since

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 the second part of being a spider of not being a spider of a spider is um perhaps feeling overwhelmed

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 if there's too many of them is it you know if there's a bunch of spiders like you know when

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 there's nests they're all hatching out

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 maybe you have too much money

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 which is an interesting thing so you often um maybe you don't have enough maybe you've got too much

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 so this reminds me of a song by c6 steve does anyone know c6 steve is he's an american yes

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 he's an american singer he's i think he's in his 60s he's got a big gray beard he's really lived

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 a life and he does this kind of country style singing but it is very good well he's got this

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 one song called treasures i just want to read out the lyrics to you i would quite like to sing it but i'm

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 not sure when i walk down that's okay when i walk down your street through your barred windows you look

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 at me and you wonder have i come to ask for one of your precious things that do not last all your

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 treasures all your treasures you think you know me but you don't know that there's more to this picture

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 than that shows and you fear that i come to steal your security that ain't real all your treasures

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 all your treasures i will leave now and you won't cry with relief you'll just sigh you'll remember come

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 one day and you'll walk out your door because you can't stay while all your treasures all your treasures

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 slip away so he wrote that um after reflecting on his youth he used to go just walking aimlessly

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 walking and walking and he used to go through these american suburbs and he never looked that well to do

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 and people would look out their windows at him and go what does he want and he didn't want anything

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 he's just walking he didn't want any of their stuff but they'd always look out with that look of what

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 do you want and look through the windows and then sigh with relief when he's gone but he says in

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 an interview and about this song is that they all look like they're imprisoned by their stuff he was

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 there walking down the street free and they're all in their houses peeking out going what does he want

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 and sighing with relief and they shut the door and he's out there going you you all look trapped

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 what's going on why are you all trapped in your possessions all your houses all your treasures

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 that will slip away that was his perspective on things it's a very powerful song if you get the

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 chance to listen to it c6 steve treasures it's a good plug for him so we can be trapped by money

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 the more we have maybe the more security you want to have more cameras we might put up more insurance we get

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 the third part is exchange so there are myths about spiders do you i wonder if you know some of these

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 i was surprised by a few so there's superstitions surrounding spiders if you step on a spider

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 you'll bring on rain did you know that it's gonna rain if you said all spiders except tarantulas

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 are omens of good luck the larger the spider the bigger the rewards if you see a spider climbing

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 the wall you will have your dearest wish come true seeing a spider run across the wall is another

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 sign of good luck i mean if you see a spider spinning a web you'll have an increase in your income due to

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 it's hard work like do people know this stuff if a spider crawls into your pocket you'll always have

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 money like get in there if a spider hangs over your head you'll get a letter that day and if a spider

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 builds its web across your door you can expect company and if you walk into a spider web you'll meet a

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 friend that day and one of the more interesting ones is um don't kill spiders because it has been

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 unlucky since a spider spun a web over baby jesus to hide him from herod seriously i haven't read that in

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 the bible did that happen there are superstitions that exist um so there's also superstitions

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 around around around money and it's like it's it's the exchange of money that superstitions around

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 surround so consumerism if you buy the next model up of car of whatever it is you'll be happier

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 one of the ones i've been i have encountered time to time in myself

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 is the exchange superstition with church and tithing so if i give my tithe to christ church it will meet

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 my need and if it does not meet my need it i will reduce my tithe that is a superstition that's a

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 consumerist myth being put onto your tithe that's not biblical and i've i've i've had that

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 so it's annoyed me you've sung the wrong hymn you've got the wrong guy up to speak i'm not giving my

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 tithe this week it's that exchange that that superstition that is in our culture of this consumerism

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 that money rules

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 but we've already received we give because we received first

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 we we give out of what jesus has done for us not what we're yet to get

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 but in all these examples the fear feeling overwhelmed the exchange money has been given too much power

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 god wants us to give that power over to him

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 our god is a jealous god he's a loving god he loves you so much

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 and he warns us that you can't serve both god and money

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 because money will give you orders it will boss you around

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 if we don't put god first

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 and god wants freedom not condemnation

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 he wants

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 money that comes from generosity

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 not from guilt

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 so if it's like oh if i have to give 10% oh because everyone

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 says i has to you know is it

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 if you're feeling guilty it's your heart's in the wrong place it needs to come from a joyous generosity of what

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 god and jesus has already done for us

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 so we had that reading

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 jesus saying do not worry

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 and that has annoyed me from time to time

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 because it's so hard not to worry

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 the world is full of anxiety

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 on the news all the time

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 the unemployment level

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 brexit

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 just like everything

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 so i encounter young people

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 um so i work at the ymca twice a week

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 and this summer i was um given a job

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 at the skate park at locking

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 in western supermare

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 and my job was just to get to know the young people there

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 and hang out there

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 um

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 and through the ymca as well recently i've been allowed to take some young people for meals

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 that wouldn't otherwise have you know had the opportunity to

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 and during my time with these young people i've been asking them

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 are you hopeful you know what are your aspirations for the future

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 and many of them

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 just

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 aren't hopeful of what's to come

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 they read the news they oh we're all going to die in a nuclear war between america and north korea anyway

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 world war three is not far away

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 or they look at house prices and think we're never going to afford a house

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 they look at jobs and think it's very competitive i don't know if i could do that

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 and they're crushed by this anxiety and the schools and everyone trying to get the best out of them the results

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 and the anxiety level between young people is going up and up and up and it's coming out in self-harm

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 in eating disorders

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 in you know mental health

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 and it's really hard to see to see that happening

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 so this world is filled with anxiety

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 and yet jesus says do not worry

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 so we need to be

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 able to show these young people that you can get through life without worrying

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 i wonder if we could do that i mean i think that's one of the gifts

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 as you get older and wiser

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 you've encountered

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 things in your life

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 hardship

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 moments where you're not sure if you've been made redundant what's going to happen

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 but you're sitting here you've got through it somehow

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 these are things that we need to pass on this good news that actually

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 you don't have to worry

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 so much

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 now i wonder is your picture of jesus a happy person

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 or is it someone who's very

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 doom and gloom

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 because a lot of people like to think

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 that the message that the church gives is this world is a place of shadows

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 it's a place of sin

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 of war

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 you know it's

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 it's just not a hopeful place

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 but is your picture of jesus

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 out of a happy person

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 because yes

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 there is darkness

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 and all the darkness and sadness in the world landed on him at the crucifixion

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 yes he wept at lazarus's tomb when he died and raised him from life

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 yes he became sad when angry when people did not trust god

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 and there's the agony of the garden of gethsemane

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 but these are the exceptions

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 they're the dark patches on a bright background

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 jesus is watching the birds in this passage

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 and he's going look at them

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 look how they're enjoying life swooping together

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 just having a great time

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 they're not worried

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 then he looks at the flowers in the fertile

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 galilean soil

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 says look at the colors and the patterns

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 look at these flowers

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 look what god has done

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 and yet they could be cut or trampled

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 really easily

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 but just look at the beauty in this world

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 we have a creator god

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 that has

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 made an amazing

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 world

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 for us

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 i wonder who here watches planet earth

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 because that really brings it out doesn't it

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 where you see things that just amaze you

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 i can't believe that the world does this

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 jesus isn't filled with anxiety about tomorrow

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 but he's able to be fully present in today

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 so he's able to wear

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 i i never thought about this before

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 but when he when he was crucified

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 the roman soldiers cast lots over his tunic

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 that's because it was an amazingly beautiful tunic

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 it wasn't just a piece of sackcloth

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 that it would have torn and thrown away

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 because it had blood on it and stuff

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 they cast lots over it

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 they wanted it

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 because he was able to wear a tunic

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 there's that story of the perfume being poured over him

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 and he he's able to appreciate it

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 and be fully present in the moment

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 he's able to put money in its place

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 when jesus tells us not to worry about what to eat drink or wear

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 he is not saying that it doesn't matter

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 it isn't about eating less

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 or drinking less

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 or wearing the worst clothes

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 jesus liked to party

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 and when he done

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 and he was able to wear things like this tunic

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 so we are to work

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 we are to earn a living

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 but we should do it with joy

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 because our father the creator god of all

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 wants to clothe us and feed us

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 there's a saying like

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 put the world first

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 and you'll find it gets moth eaten in your hands

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 but put god first

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 and you'll get the whole world thrown in

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 and you'll find it