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 Hi, my name is George Sinclair. I'm the lead pastor of Church of the Messiah. It is wonderful

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 that you would like to check out some of the sermons done by Church of the Messiah,

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 either by myself or some of the others. Listen, just a couple of things. First of all,

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 would you pray for us that we will open God's Word well to His glory and for the good of people

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 like yourself? The second thing is, if you aren't connected to a church and if you are a Christian,

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 we really, I would really like to encourage you to find a good local church where they believe the

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 Bible, they preach the gospel, and if you have some trouble finding that, send us an email. We

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 will do what we can to help connect you with a good local church wherever you are. And if you're

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 a non-Christian checking us out, we're really, really, really glad you're doing that. Don't

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 hesitate to send us questions. It helps me actually to know as I'm preaching how to deal with the types

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 of things that you're really struggling with. So God bless.

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 It is a privilege to step in for George. I'm Steve Griffin, by the way. Welcome to you if you

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 are visiting or if you're joining us online, either as we are gathering together at 10 a.m. or whether

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 you meet us downstream. Either way, welcome. It's a pleasure to have you with us. I'm stepping in for

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 George over the next four weeks, and it is a joy to be able to do that and to open up God's Word with

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 you together. I'll just take this as a topical verse. Verse 5, as we just heard, Thomas said to

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 him, Lord, we do not know where you're going. How can we know the way? Jesus said to him, I am the way

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 and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. I invite you to join me

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 in prayer as we open up God's Word. Father, we thank you that we can gather in your name to hear

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 your Word, to sing your praises, to fellowship with one another, to encourage one another as we meet

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 regularly, to break bread and to fellowship together. We ask that you would strengthen us this morning by

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 your Spirit, to hear your Word, to take it and digest it inwardly, and to share it with others in a

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 needy world. This we ask in Jesus' name. Amen. Now, a very sad trend within the evangelical world over

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 the last, at least the last couple of decades, has been what I like to call the journey from

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 Kumbaya and into the flow. It's a journey that a Christian leader who, as far as anyone can tell,

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 starts really well. He accepts Jesus into his life, is converted, and because he's a gifted communicator,

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 many, many, many more come to do the same through his ministry. But eventually, he ends up embracing a

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 religion that completely undermines that early experience. He enters and publicly promotes the

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 flow, a system of belief that here and there sounds very Christian, but has no Christian foundation at all.

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 I'm thinking here of former leaders like Brian McLaren and Rob Bell. If you've followed Rob Bell

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 recently, you'll know that he's gone as far as to promote the use of psychedelic drugs as healing,

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 sacred, and even transformative. Somewhere along the way, these and other leaders embraced what is now

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 generally known as progressive Christianity, whose basic shape I want to unpack and respond to today

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 and over the next three Sundays. I've called the series The City with Foundations, recalling Abraham there

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 in Hebrews 11.10, because he was looking to the city that has foundations, whose designer and builder is God.

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 Now, you might be asking, well, what's the point of trying to understand progressive Christianity?

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 Why devote so much attention in a sermon to that? Well, the fact is, it's presented to us as a new and

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 better way to be a Christian. So it's very much an internal issue for us within the church and within

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 families. And many will find it compelling. Apart from that, it's the one version of Christianity that

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 modern Western culture finds that it can endorse, the kind that we'd be expected to bend to if we were

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 ever put on trial in any way for anti-social beliefs and behaviors, as it happened in the new Soviet Union

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 after 1917. I can't help but recall here, 1984, I've mentioned before how I did have the privilege of

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 studying there at the time. And as it happened, I met these ballet dancers, male, of the male kind, who befriended

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 me, who got to know me in that good, spontaneous Russian way. And they invited me to one of their rehearsals.

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 And it happened to be taking place in the, what's called the Palace of Congresses, Dvariyatsyazdov. It's where you have all of the

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 main party meetings happened there in the Kremlin or back in the Soviet times. And as, because we hadn't gotten

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 to know each other a little bit, they knew I was a Christian. And as we were in the Palace of Congresses,

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 the heart of Soviet land, and we were talking about Christianity. And they said, you know what, Steve,

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 that's not going to work in here. And for the first time, I felt like, okay, there's this strong sense of

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 censorship, or at least we could talk maybe freely out walking on the street, but not in here.

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 So my approach will be this. As someone who was also at one stage headed in that general progressive

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 direction, I'm not here to ridicule it. I'm not even here to try to oversimplify it, but to try to

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 understand why some or much of it might sound very compelling. So what do progressive Christians,

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 believe? Well, progressive Christianity is, as you'd expect, progressive. It's a work in progress.

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 It's focused mainly on the practice of the faith, and it shies away from producing statements of faith.

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 That said, it does operate with certain core values. So if you want to have a sneak peek at some of the

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 topics I'll be trying to cover, take a look this week at the Center for Progressive Christianity's website.

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 You'll see how it tries to present the movement as a thoughtful, humble, compassionate alternative

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 to traditional forms of Christianity.

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 Each of the four talks will have the same pattern. I'll describe a core value of progressive

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 Christianity on its own terms. I'll acknowledge a partial truth that's behind this core value

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 and point out some of the internal problems or issues that I see. I'll explain why, if we're not on our

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 guard, we may make space for it within the church, reckoning that, well, this just isn't a hill to die on.

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 And then we'll turn to Scripture in the second part of the talk, looking to see how God's view of the matter

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 satisfies our deepest needs and longings in a way that the progressive message can't.

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 So what's today's topic? Well, you see the title, I think.

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 The road is made as you walk it. Thank you, Claire, for the slides. I'll give you a cue at each stage,

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 and that will be great. The road we make and the road that is there.

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 And you've heard the passage that I'll be considering a little bit later on. To get to the first

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 core value of progressive Christianity, imagine that Jesus, imagine, right, let's not clip this and put it on YouTube

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 because it would be taking it out of context. Imagine that Jesus were to say

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 something like this to his disciples.

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 Don't be troubled about the things I've spoken to you, that is, about having to leave you

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 and that one of you will betray me. Look, if you believe in God, you should also believe in me,

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 and you should also believe in the Christ that's in the deepest part of you.

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 So you see, I won't really be leaving you. You won't see me, but I will be more fully in you,

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 and actually in everything that is, more than you can even imagine. Well, with that, Jesus

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 probably would have had the question from his disciples, so what's it going to mean to follow

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 you in that case? To which Jesus would have to reply, well, to follow me will mean to think of life

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 in terms of a journey, not a destination. It will mean to learn to live with questions without

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 claiming to have right answers, and here, thank you, we're on the right slide, to have the right answers.

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 To follow me, you'll have to learn to live in the moment and to listen to what your heart is telling you.

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 Well, there you have the first core value of progressive Christianity. It's summed up in

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 the idea that we make the road by walking. Brian McLaren gave one of his books the title,

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 that title, borrowing a line from a 1912 poem by a man named Antonio Machado that went like this,

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 just that one line, Traveler, your footprints are the path and nothing more. Traveler, there is no path,

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 the path. The path is made by walking. Now, when it comes to thinking about knowing God, since this is

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 intended as a philosophy of life, the popular wisdom here is about improvising our way through each

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 present moment. That's because the past is gone, and if we dwell on it, we're just going to,

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 well, we're going to feel sad. Living in or for the future, we're told, is just going to make us

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 anxious. So, let's just embrace the moment, so the wisdom goes, because only really the present is real.

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 So, let's just look a little more closely at what this core value involves.

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 Now, it's certainly true, isn't it, that life's challenges do often require us to improvise,

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 to make do with what we have, and in a sense to create the road as we walk it, in a manner of

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 speaking. Even Abraham must have known something of this when he obeyed God, because scripture says

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 he set out for the promised land, even though he didn't know where he was going.

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 It's also true that the future is in some sense, at least, open, because God's sovereignty and promise

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 to do this or that does not make your freedom and my freedom an illusion. And the present,

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 the moments of our day-to-day lives, really, this present moment is something we should be paying

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 attention to. But the first core value of progressive Christianity isn't about that precisely. It's about

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 knowing the truth only as you look within yourself. That means, at least in principle, that there's no

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 reliable word or promise from above or outside ourselves. With that very individual approach

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 to knowing God, you wouldn't think that progressive Christians would want to make particular claims

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 about God and salvation. But the fact is, is that they do. Consider these statements from a progressive

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 theologian named Lindsay Paris Lopez, who writes for Sojourners magazine. For those unfamiliar with that

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 magazine, Sojourners describes itself as the largest network of progressive Christians in the United States,

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 focused on the biblical call to social justice. You see the practical emphasis. It happens to be,

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 an affiliate member of the World Evangelical Alliance, for those of you familiar with that large

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 organization. Well, Paris Lopez does have specific claims in a piece she has written on progressive

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 Christianity about God and about salvation. She says this, God is love. Love has moved through the world

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 from the beginning and is carried in every heart, uniting all creation.

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 Love redeems and reconciles us all. Faithfulness is trusting the voice of love within us that keeps

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 us seeking understanding, knowing that the journey never ends. And then she concludes,

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 if I'm asked, how do I know that love is at the heart of all things? I reply that my faith simply takes two

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 things to be absolute. Love and the redemption and reconciliation of all things.

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 If I could have the next slide, the internal problems slide. Clearly, according to Paris Lopez,

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 there is a road after all, a vision that guides the journey. And it is that there is only one road to take.

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 And it's endless. And it has one clear road sign, universal salvation ahead.

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 And that vision is based on the basic, on one basic theological assumption. And that is that divine love

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 flows through everything and everyone, bringing all things into an ever deeper unity.

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 So salvation is not an if question, but a when question. We are taken up more and more

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 into divine love as we learn to trust the voice of love that's inside us.

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 Now, I would suggest that there's just one small problem here, and that's basic consistency.

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 That is, if I say I only have the voice inside me to guide me, where do I get the ideas that God is love?

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 That love is absolute. And that all will be reconciled in the end. How can I possibly know these things?

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 They're not universal. For that matter, how do I even know that God is one?

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 One. The fact is, the truths that God is one and that he's love are particular to biblical revelation.

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 These truths can only come to us from above. That is, by revelation that comes to us from outside

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 ourselves through external means that God chooses to use. If I listen to voices from within or that are

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 within me, I'm bound to imagine God or the gods in all sorts of ways. And the assumption that everyone

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 will be reconciled to God in the end has been the view of some Christian thinkers and leaders who are

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 happy to play pick and choose with the clear teachings of Scripture. Jesus himself made it very clear that

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 there will be a final, eternal separation of the righteous from the unrighteous.

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 Jesus. Furthermore, the assumption that divine love flows through everyone and everything is based

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 on a misreading of Paul when he said there in Acts 17 that in him we live and move and have our being.

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 He was taking a quote from the pagan poets and affirming, yes, God is closer to us than we can imagine.

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 He's everywhere accessible to us. But his whole message there in that sermon in the Acropolis makes

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 it very clear that God is maker of heaven and earth not to be confused with anything in creation and that

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 he has appointed a day of judgment when everything will be exposed in the light of the one he raised from

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 the dead. Look it up in Acts 17. You'll see what that phrase that Paul borrows from the poets means and

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 doesn't mean in the context of the whole message. So as God gives us the opportunity we have to ask our

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 progressive friends, why this biblical teaching and not that one? Does that not leave us deciding what

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 salvation is? Does that not, or perhaps worse, does that not leave us in the place of God? Well where does

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 progressive Christianity lead? If we follow it to its conclusion. If revelation, in other words, if knowing

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 God is what happens as we look within our own hearts, well the end of that can only be death. Agustin Laje,

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 a public intellectual from Argentina, a sort of Latin American Jordan Peterson, if you like, can help us here.

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 Very, very perceptively he says, consider how it's come to be that a child that's in its mother's womb

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 has no intrinsic, no objective value. Whether it's to be considered a human being or not comes down to

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 this question, is it wanted? Think of that. It's a human being if it's wanted, but if it's not wanted, well

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 that's another matter. Behold the culture of death. It's the end of the road when the value of things

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 is a matter of personal preference. Now before we turn to scripture, let's consider briefly how we

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 we make room for this, how we accommodate this in one way or another within the church. It happens like

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 this. Someone at some point in the life of the church, maybe even a leader will come along and

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 say, you know what? As long as you love Jesus, as long as you are Christ-centered, as long as you have

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 your quiet times, you know what? Your specific beliefs about God and about his nature, about salvation and

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 revelation really are secondary. They're important, they're important, but they're very secondary.

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 They're not hills to die on. I wonder if you've ever heard anything like that. I certainly have.

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 My brothers and sisters, this may come in evangelical dress at times, those of us who come from that

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 evangelical background, but it comes straight out of 19th century liberal Christianity. We can thank

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 Mr. Schleiermacher and others for giving it credibility within the Protestant tradition.

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 And the idea is this, true religion is about a relationship, not doctrines. Please don't

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 excerpt that either in the... This has the advantage of sounding very pious, but it's always a conversation

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 stopper on the pretext that, no, no, we're just going to get into arguments.

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 And it, but it almost never acknowledges that the statement, true religion is not about doctrine,

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 but about a relationship is itself a doctrine. And the bottom line here is that we can't get away

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 from doctrine at some point in the life of the church. We can do it graciously, and we pray that

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 we'll do it graciously, but we can't get away from it. So with that, please turn with me back to John 14.

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 What I want us to consider together is the way in which scripture offers a totally different way of

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 thinking about God and about time and about revelation and about salvation from the one that

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 the progressive Christianity holds out to us. So how does the chapter begin? And here we on the

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 scripture slide. Thank you. How does Jesus begin? He says, let not your hearts be troubled.

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 In moments leading up to this point, Jesus had spoken of troubling things. The disciples are now

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 looking within themselves and they're saying, maybe I'm going to betray the master. And maybe I'm worried

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 that this whole Jesus discipleship project isn't going to turn out so well for me after all. But

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 Jesus says, don't let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God. Believe in me too. He speaks a word of

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 comfort. Even as David heard from God when he declared in Psalm 27, 1, the Lord is my light and my

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 salvation. Whom shall I what? Whom shall I fear? Comfort. We have here what we need, a word from

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 above, a word that comes from outside ourselves, from our own resources. God has spoken and God has

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 acted by sending his son into the world. So we can say, whom shall I fear? Because we're not having to

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 look within ourselves, but to the living God who has come among us. This means that we can believe

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 in Jesus in the same way that we believe in God. To believe in something is to entrust yourself to it.

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 And so here we're offering our whole selves, our hearts and minds and wills to God.

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 We're not going to do this perfectly. We need to constantly depend on God's grace to give him our

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 wills, to give him our thoughts and our hearts. But it's only that way that we can rest and find rest

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 in the one who's our light and our salvation in David's words. We can rest in the God who rescues us,

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 who cleanses us as we repent and we receive his pardon, and who gives us his law to guide us. What

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 comfort? Well, the progressive gospel doesn't even begin to grasp the depth of our need for God. The

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 sin and rebellion that's in our hearts doesn't quite manage to hit the register. Well, from the

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 foundation of belief in Jesus, we come to the blessings that we have in him. Think mentally down to

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 verse 4 of Psalm 27, if you know that Psalm, where David says, he already has said, the Lord is his

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 light and his salvation in verse 1. And then he says, one thing I have desired, that thing will I seek,

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 that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to dwell in his house. As if to

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 reassure the disciples with the blessings that God promises in that Psalm, Jesus promises them in the

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 first place, enduring fellowship, an eternal dwelling with him. So he says in John 14 too, in my father's

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 house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I'm going to prepare a place for you?

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 What's the source of comfort here? In a word, a promise regarding a future that's already there.

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 It's already there. I don't think we need to imagine here that when we come into Jesus's presence,

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 we're going to be issued the keys to a heavenly hotel room or to be taken in a golf cart out to

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 a private mansion somewhere in the outskirts of the new city. I don't think the point is that.

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 The point, to borrow from C.S. Lewis, is that the future is heavy and it's solid in a way that this

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 present life isn't. It's there and the promise is one of an enduring identity for us. Jesus says,

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 a place for you. It's all about dwelling with him forever, about knowing who we are precisely because

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 we're already known by him. The journey home will have ended and we'll enjoy eternal rest with God.

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 And this promise brings us to the second thing that David desires in Psalm 27 4, and that's what?

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 To behold God's beauty. To anticipate the revelation of Jesus's glory and majesty is to have the blessing

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 of purpose, of direction. So not only do we know who we are, we know where we're going. So Jesus says in

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 verse 3, and if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself,

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 that where I am you also may be. For comparison again, the progressive gospel speaks of an endless

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 process of universal reconciliation and we really must ask whether anyone ever arrives, whether anyone

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 ever has a homecoming. In any case, the God who's reduced to a kind of force that animates all things

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 is hardly personal, but more like an impersonal power that just kind of overwhelms us and swallows us up.

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 Even Chekhov, an agnostic, quarreled with Tolstoy over that. He says, I'm not interested in your view

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 of the afterlife where the eye is just poured out into space. But through Christ, through union with him,

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 by his spirit, we have a personal relationship with God. We are children by adoption. As we heard in

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 the epistle, we're part of God's family, part of his household. And in all this, there's a third

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 blessing, and it's marvelous. It's a blessing of understanding. David's desire in Psalm 27, 4 is also

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 to inquire in God's temple. And Jesus opens a way to understanding what his promises mean when he

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 says to them in verse 4. You know the way to where I'm going. This statement must have come as a

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 head-scratcher. To say the least, Jesus has them fixing their eyes on a destination, a dwelling with

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 him in the new creation. And there's already a clue as to how they're going to get there, because he

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 himself has promised to return to take them there. But still, the disciples are lacking in understanding.

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 And here, Thomas speaks up first. He asks in verse 5, Lord, we don't know where you're going.

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 How can we know the way? And whatever Thomas might be thinking, maybe he's thinking that Jesus is going

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 to go to some neighboring village or town in the region. Jesus names the road and the destination

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 in his reply in verse 6. I am the way and the truth and the life. There's the road. No one comes to the Father

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 except through me. There's the destination. In the light of progressive Christianity's first core value,

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 what Thomas learns here is that there is a way that's laid out before us.

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 Just because God is nearer to us than we can imagine doesn't mean that there's also a kind of distance

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 between us. It's not a distance that you can measure in physical terms, but it's a separation

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 all the same. It's the gulf that separates the holy and living God from a sinful humanity that's set

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 on a course of destruction. So it's a distance that requires a way, a way to God. Now Thomas also learns

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 that Jesus is the only way, but I'm going to hold off on that idea for right now because what concerns

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 us here simply is that there is a road. That is, that we don't have to come up with one on our own.

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 So let's move on to verse 7. Jesus says, if you had known me, you would have known my Father also.

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 From now on, and there's an underliner, from now on you do know him and have seen him.

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 Here we see something of God's kindness and patience in leading us into the truth because

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 there was much that the disciples would not really be able to understand until they had seen the,

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 witnessed the whole drama of Jesus's saving work. But in the light of the events that are unfolding,

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 Jesus can say from now on, you do know the Father and have seen him.

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 Starting in verse 8 and through the rest of the passage, there's something of a transition

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 because in his exchange with Philip, Jesus reminds him that there was much truth that they already knew

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 by revelation. That's why the tone is now one of mild or gentle rebuke, but it's rebuke all the same.

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 Let's hear Philip's question again, which comes as a request. Lord, show us the Father and that'll

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 suit us. That will be, we'll be content with that. And Jesus answers, and here let me, let me just

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 paraphrase the rest of the passage. He says, look, Philip, how can you, how can you not know who I am

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 after all the time we've been together? How can you ask, show us the Father when to see me means to

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 see the Father? You have to believe that the Father is in me and that I am in the Father. You see,

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 when I speak, it's the Father that's working. So you can believe that I'm in the Father and that the

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 Father is in me. In other words, you can believe it because I say it, or you can believe based on the

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 works themselves. What I think we need to see here is this, the understanding that Jesus graciously

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 imparts and that really is marvelous. It's grounded in what? Well, it's in grounded, we see, in a

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 relationship with him, a fellowship problem, if you like, that that's been sorted out. It's grounded

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 in a promise of being with him forever, a purpose and direction problem that's been sorted out.

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 And now we see God's blessing come as food for the mind, for all who inquire in God's temple,

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 as we learn a lesson about how God has chosen to make himself known in the world.

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 Let me just say a few words about how he's chosen to do that. The wonder of it is that God's works and

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 his words are one. Think of creation happening by the word of God, by the spoken word. Or think of Jesus

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 speaking healing into someone's life. Or look at it the other way around, as when Paul says that the

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 cross is a message. Where does he say that? He says, the word of the cross is folly to those who are

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 perishing. But to us who are being saved, it's the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1 18. The fact is,

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 biblical faith keeps words and works together. We don't have works in isolation with no understanding

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 of what they mean. And we don't have understanding apart from the mighty works of God themselves.

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 And so it is that Jesus, as God's chief work in the world, can declare this to Thomas,

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 and to you and to me this morning. I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father

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 except through me. To take hold of this, of his word, Jesus's word and promise, is to take hold of

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 him and to have eternal life. Thanks be to God. I'm not finished. I'm almost done. And for understanding,

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 Jesus can say to Philip and to us, whether you consider the things I've done or the things I've

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 taught you, either way, I've revealed that I'm in the Father and that the Father is in me.

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 In sending Jesus, the Father displayed his own works because Jesus did what only God can do.

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 He forgave sins. He raised the dead. He defeated Satan. And in sending Jesus, the Father spoke his

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 own words. He declared the Father's love for us. And we can be sure of that.

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 Well, let me just conclude with three questions that we can raise with progressive Christian friends

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 or with anyone who's struggling to understand whether there's really a road that's there for us to walk on.

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 Each question is asked in hopes that the other person might consider that what we really

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 need is a word from above, a word that by the Spirit of God invades our hearts and takes hold of us.

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 And the first question is about humility, a virtue that the progressive Christian tries to value.

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 Here's the question. If learning is an attitude of humility, I beg your pardon, if learning in an

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 attitude of humility is what you're after, is the commitment to living with questions without

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 presuming to have answers actually or necessarily humble. The point here is that we all operate with

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 some sort of hope, some sort of conviction that we can then approach either in humility or without it.

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 To say that we're not interested in answers but only questions is itself an answer.

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 It's an answer for the hope we have in us, namely the hope that life is not about a destination but only a journey.

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 So if the real way to know the things of God involves faith, seeking to understand,

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 humility and the claim to know things can be very compatible. Humility and the claim to know things can be very compatible.

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 The second question is all about discernment. We can ask if it's Christ you want to know and grow into,

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 how do you tell the difference between the real Christ and the counterfeits?

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 At heart the problem here is one of authority. We must ask at one stage or another, once we've come to believe

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 that Jesus is alive and that he speaks, how do we know that the voice we think is his is really his?

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 And here we turn to scripture, God's record, his own record of his own mighty acts.

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 And we have a standard in a way that we have no standard elsewhere.

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 And the third and last question is about the nature of God himself.

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 If it's eternal life with God that you're after, is it a real comfort to you to think of God in impersonal terms?

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 Does that really meet our deep need to know and be known?

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 The problem here, of course, is of our image of God.

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 We so often imagine God as a kind of force, as when we make the mistake of even referring to the Holy Spirit with the pronoun it.

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 But as we confess on the basis of Holy Scripture, that when we say God, we mean Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

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 May God teach us to look to the city with foundations, whose builder is God, and who offers us eternal life in the fellowship of the Most Holy Trinity.

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 I invite you to pray with me, and I'm going to use a collect that's actually for Ascension Day,

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 but given the theme, it very appropriately pulls together the thoughts that I've tried to share with you from God's word this morning.

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 Shall we pray?

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 Grant, we beseech the Almighty God,

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 that like as we do believe Thy only begotten Son, our Lord Jesus Christ,

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 to have ascended into the heavens.

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 So may we may also in heart and mind thither ascend,

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 and with him continually dwell,

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 who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit,

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 one God,

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 world without end.

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 Amen.