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 Well, good morning. It's five past the hour, so we might get underway.

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 I'll pray for us, and then our theme this morning is worship as a classroom.

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 My original draft was to call this worship is a dinner party,

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 but I wondered whether Americans would hear the words dinner party in the same way that I might.

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 I thought classroom was much less ambiguous, so we'll go with that today.

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 So let me pray for us.

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 Our gracious Lord, we thank you so much that we can be together.

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 We're safer when we're together than when we're apart.

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 So we ask you this morning to help us, to bless us individually,

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 that we might bless those sitting around us and those new people we'll meet.

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 And please give us a deep learning about how we might think of and participate in Sunday worship.

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 May this be for us an enormous encouragement along the way.

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 For we ask it in Christ's strong name. Amen.

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 Well, as I've done in the last few weeks, it's worth taking a few moments at the beginning of our time

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 to summarise or reflect on the last few weeks together.

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 As a teacher, I do this at the beginning of all my classes,

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 just to be reminded how little they learnt last time.

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 What have been your ongoing reflections or thoughts about these conversations on worship?

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 Every day, the notion is clearer and clearer.

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 I know that something inside me always wants to sin.

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 That law of sin that Paul talks about in Romans 7.

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 But I'm utterly, utterly, utterly dependent on His goodness and on His grace

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 and on the knowledge that He gives me through the Spirit and His Word that points me to Christ.

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 I suffer from depression, really bad depression.

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 And sometimes I just have to hang on and just repeat scriptures

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 when I'm in bed under the sheets for 17 hours or, I mean, anywhere.

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 I'm watching TV or I'm bored or it's just that I'm utterly dependent.

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 But that something inside says that there's a hope.

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 You're suffering, you're suffering, you're suffering, but there's a hope.

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 So, Royal's point is that we need to be reminded of our dependence on the Lord.

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 Our dependence, which I think in the...

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 The word faith, I think, in the end just means dependence.

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 And that's what we have to do.

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 I suppose church, coming to church, worshipping at church,

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 reminds us of our dependence or teaches us that dependence.

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 Thank you.

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 Can people remember what the actual metaphors, the topics were over the last two weeks?

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 Church is a party.

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 Church is a party, which was...

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 Worship is a party.

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 Worship is a party, that's right.

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 That was last week's topic.

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 Worship is a compass.

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 And worship is a compass was the first week, that's right.

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 And anything about those particular images that have resonated with you over the last few weeks?

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 Yes.

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 I've been thinking a lot about, in that first week,

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 when you talked about how we come in response to God.

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 Yes.

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 That's personal, we come in response.

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 And just reflecting on how that's true in my personal relationship with Him,

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 that I come in response, so I don't have to work to get His attention.

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 Yes, sure.

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 Yep, yep, yep.

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 I have to be there to respond.

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 Yep.

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 It's already been said on that.

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 That's been really helpful for me the past week.

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 Yes, great.

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 And I think when I visit lots of different churches, not just in the US but elsewhere,

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 one of the things I notice is that more and more,

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 and I think it's partly through the influence of the charismatic movement,

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 I have a lot of regard for the charismatic movement,

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 but at this point I'm less patient,

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 where you come to church to get God's attention,

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 or the intensity of your singing gets God's attention,

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 or your intensity of experience more generally gets God's attention.

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 And I think it's just fundamentally wrong-headed that actually God's voice goes out.

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 And the fact that you and I are in church this morning is because we're responding to the voice that already went out.

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 He was here in church before we are.

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 He's the one who's calling us together, right?

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 We don't bring down his presence.

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 He's here waiting, right?

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 And I think that's a very fundamental kind of pattern that we need to be aware of and hold on to.

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 Anything on the Trinity from last week's presentation?

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 I might remind you that one of my fundamental pitches last week was that the greatest danger to the church in America and beyond

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 is that we're giving up on the doctrine of the Trinity.

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 For good reasons, we think that we're being friendly to outsiders by talking down our understanding of God, the Holy Trinity,

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 but actually in the end it will be the undoing of us.

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 We cannot relinquish our faith in the Trinity.

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 After we talked about that, I realized, looking backward,

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 how often I've heard and cooperated with, I guess,

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 evangelists who say, oh joy, are you looking for joy?

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 Come, come, you'll find joy in Christ.

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 Yes, yes.

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 Oh, you're looking for security?

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 Then, you know, you can look for Christ for security.

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 Yes.

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 Instead of saying, here is our God, behold our God.

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 Yes, yes.

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 And then, eventually, by knowing Him and experiencing Him, you will know security.

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 No, of course, and we place our trust in joy, or we place our trust in security,

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 or, to be a little bit sharper, sometimes we place our trust in justification.

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 Actually, we should be placing our trust in Christ, who gives us joy,

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 who gives us security, and who gives us justification, right?

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 Well, this morning, perhaps the least kind of encouraging of the metaphors,

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 worship is a classroom.

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 Not all of us have had positive experiences of classrooms in our life,

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 either from being a student or from being a teacher.

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 But I think, nonetheless, it picks up some really important themes

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 that we need to engage with.

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 For this is our challenge.

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 The average Australian, and I suspect it's no different for the average American,

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 watches six hours of advertisements on TV per week.

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 All right?

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 And that's the average.

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 So there'll be people who are watching a lot more of that.

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 If you think every hour of television has about 20 minutes of ads,

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 it only takes a few hours a day to add up to quite a substantial amount.

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 And what we're doing in church is we're trying to reshape people's loves

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 and imagination and hearts and minds in 90 minutes a week.

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 90 at the best.

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 Some churches only have 45, 50 hour-long services, right?

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 So just think of that for a minute.

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 There's six hours of ads shaping your head and your heart.

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 And we try and combat it with 90 minutes of church.

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 We don't have a lot of time to address those who are in church,

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 their hearts and their minds and their souls and their spirit.

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 That 90 minutes of church here at Trinity, it's 90 minutes.

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 That 90 minutes of church is just so important.

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 We've got to do it so carefully and thoughtfully and well

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 because the opposite kind of pressures are loud and strong.

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 What might be some other cultural pressures

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 which church on Sundays is trying to combat?

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 I think the lady here.

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 It's always the sports teams.

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 Oh, yes, I see.

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 Sure.

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 On Sundays, you mean?

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 Yeah.

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 Yeah, sure.

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 Literally, that time slot has competing priorities.

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 I can't even remember when it was just starting.

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 Yes.

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 Now it's everywhere.

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 Yeah, yeah.

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 And much more acceptable.

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 So that's a really obvious time tabling challenge.

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 Yep, yep.

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 Our son is an oboe player and started missing school

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 because that's when the classes were.

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 And now he's in one of the greatest schools,

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 got his master's at NEC.

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 He stopped going to church.

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 You mentioned last week, I think.

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 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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 Out there.

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 Yep, so those are kind of time tabling pressures.

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 What are some other cultural pressures,

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 some things that make church look boring

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 or make church look unattractive?

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 TV.

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 So why TV?

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 Rather?

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 Yes.

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 Oh, entertainment is, you know,

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 maybe the, one of the greatest values in society.

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 Yep.

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 This has struck me that in the colonial US,

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 for a while the Massachusetts legislature,

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 considering a law requiring all churches

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 to have their midweek Bible study term meeting

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 on the same night

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 because they were concerned that some farmers

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 were going out every night of the week to church

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 and they wouldn't be, you know,

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 energetic enough to do their work well

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 because that was the entertainment.

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 Yes, yes.

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 Church was the entertainment,

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 which may have brought along a certain temptation

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 to weakness.

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 But whereas we had the corner on entertainment at one time.

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 Yeah, sure.

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 We don't.

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 Yes, of course, in days gone by,

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 churches where you got the political news that you shared

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 and you got to hear a speaker

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 who would be the most interesting presentation that week.

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 You didn't have much news from outside

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 or you didn't have people who were educated

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 who were speaking to you.

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 So all those kind of things.

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 But now entertainment is excellent and everywhere.

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 So sometimes it can make church look a bit dull, right?

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 Well, I was reading one guy this week who said,

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 in the MTV generation,

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 where you have visual clips that last perhaps for two seconds

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 or three seconds

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 and you go to the next frame or the next shot

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 and how can that kind of editing,

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 that kind of stimulating presentation

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 compete with one guy standing up the front

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 without different visual takes for half an hour?

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 No wonder church seems boring for people, right?

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 And I think this image that worship is a classroom

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 can make it worse for us.

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 If you say church is a classroom,

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 people, oh, I don't do classrooms.

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 Or if you go to some classrooms today, actually,

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 they're hyper-stimulated environments.

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 So I'm nervous about using the language of classroom

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 because it can have negative connotations.

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 The flip side of it is I think we can't

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 theologically get away from the fact

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 that church is for words.

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 Church is for learning, right?

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 So whatever we do,

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 these 90 minutes have to be well thought through

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 because we've got a massive opposing agenda

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 that we need to be confronting at some level somehow.

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 Now, of course, we have Bible study groups

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 or prayer meetings or other kinds of fellowship in the week.

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 So I'm exaggerating slightly to say

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 it all builds around these 90 minutes.

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 But I think you can probably see my educational point, right?

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 A lot rides on how we teach on Sundays.

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 Well, let me read to us from Psalm 95

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 because I think it has an important lesson for us

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 in our conversation this morning.

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 O come, let us sing to the Lord.

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 Let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

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 Let us come into his presence with thanksgiving.

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 Let us make a joyful noise to him with songs of praise.

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 For the Lord is a great God and a great King above all gods.

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 In his hand are the depths of the earth.

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 The heights of the mountains are his also.

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 The sea is his, for he made it,

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 and his hands formed to the dry land.

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 O come, let us worship and bow down.

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 Let us kneel before the Lord our Maker,

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 for he is our God,

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 and we are the people of his pasture

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 and the sheep of his hand.

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 Today, if you hear his voice,

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 do not harden your hearts as at Meribah,

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 as on the day at Massa in the wilderness,

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 when your fathers put me to the test

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 and put me to the proof,

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 though they had seen my work.

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 For forty years I loathed that generation and said,

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 they are a people who go astray in their hearts,

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 and they have not known my ways.

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 Therefore I swore in my wrath,

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 they shall not enter my rest.

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 Well, this is a familiar hymn,

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 a familiar psalm to many.

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 It's been turned into a hymn frequently.

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 But basically it has just one or two major points.

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 The first half describes worship as singing and praise.

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 Worship as us speaking.

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 And it gives a reason in verses three, four, and five.

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 We worship, we praise, we sing,

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 because God is a creator.

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 But in the second half,

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 our worship is not speaking.

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 Our worship is listening.

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 Let us worship and bow down, verse six.

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 Let us kneel before the Lord, our maker.

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 He is our God.

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 We are the people of his past,

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 the sheep of his hand.

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 So it's not just that we're created,

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 not just that we're creatures,

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 but we're redeemed creatures.

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 We are the sheep of his hand.

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 And what does sheep do?

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 Well, actually, better than that.

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 Today, if you hear his voice,

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 do not harden your hearts as at Meribah.

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 So the first half of the psalm is,

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 you worship by singing or praising.

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 And the second half of the psalm is,

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 you worship by listening.

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 Because sheep should listen.

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 Obviously, on occasions they don't.

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 Sheep should listen to the voice of the shepherd.

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 And John 10 points this out as well.

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 But basically, Psalm 95 said,

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 worship is about words.

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 Either we speak words or we hear words.

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 And certainly when I use this psalm with my students,

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 they're a bit shocked to think that you can be worshipping

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 by shutting up and listening, right?

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 Because we're so now shaped by the idea that worship is us,

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 singing actually,

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 was actually here in Psalm 95.

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 To worship is to sing, to speak,

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 and it is to listen as well.

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 If you want to worship in Sundays,

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 we need to speak and we need to listen.

00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:04.839
 Worship on Sundays is a classroom, right?

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 Someone's speaking,

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 someone's listening,

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 most of the time.

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 And I think our daily worship,

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 our daily God-focused living,

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 God-centred living,

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 as well as our Sunday God-centred living,

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 is about words.

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 Okay, Romans 12 tells us that we worship God with all our body,

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 as our living sacrifice, of course.

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 And next week we'll talk a little bit more about that.

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 But at least we can't get away from the fact that

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 our basic relationship with the Lord involves words.

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 How does man and wife make a marriage?

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 Well, they give words of promise.

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 How does God make a covenant of people?

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 Well, he gives them a covenant,

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 which is words of promise and words of threat.

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 How do we exercise our faith in the Lord?

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 Well, Calvin says,

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 the chief way you know you've got faith

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 is by praying,

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 by using words,

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 expressing our dependence.

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 You can't get away from words,

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 though some people try to, right?

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 And assume that worship is about silence.

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 I have no problem with silence,

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 as long as in worship,

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 our silence is about us listening to the Lord.

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 There was a chaplain,

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 a very liberal chaplain at my university

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 when I was an undergraduate,

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 and he didn't believe that words were so important.

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 In fact, he used to,

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 it was very strange,

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 he used to not use the word God.

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 He used to just talk about G-O-D,

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 because he thought that was kind of

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 getting closer to not using words.

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 But it always sounded to me like

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 there's a little kid present,

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 and he was wanting to swear,

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 wanting to curse.

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 So he'd spell out the curse word, right?

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 Because he was very embarrassed

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 about using the word itself.

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 I just thought it was very weird.

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 But that was his trajectory,

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 that worship was about

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 using fewer and fewer words,

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 and trembling in silence.

00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:32.179
 Okay, so let's talk about

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 our experiences of Sunday worship.

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 What are things that have helped your learning,

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 and what are things that have hindered your learning?

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 And if worship is a classroom,

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 then teaching and learning are essential elements, right?

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 Our speaking and listening.

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 What are things that have helped

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 that process of speaking and listening,

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 and what are things that have hindered

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 that process?

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 James?

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 I'm just thinking that

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 I've not ever been a very good Bible memorizer,

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 but I'm a pretty good hymn text memorizer.

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 Oh, yes, yes.

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 So I think hymns are really important

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 in teaching and that's why it's important

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 to have real spiritual content in hymns.

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 Yep, sure.

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 So the medium of versified songs is really important

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 because it takes thoughtful writing

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 to create theology that's memorable, right?

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 And it's very important, yeah, yeah.

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 I went and saw, I was in Chicago this week,

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 and I went and saw Hamilton,

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 and I've had, because it's just such brilliant writing,

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 and I've had the raps going through my head all week.

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 I haven't been able to shake them.

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 I think somehow having the truth taught

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 and proclaimed from various perspectives

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 is really comforting.

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 I love that we have three pastors.

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 Oh, yes, I see.

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 Wonderful.

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 So we hear the truth,

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 those words that are in a different line.

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 Interesting.

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 Of different trajectory.

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 Yeah, sure.

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 And so you get, you know,

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 much fuller appreciation.

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 That's a good point.

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 And even if a church doesn't have

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 a pastoral team like Trinity,

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 having different voices can actually be

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 of great help in our learning, right?

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 Different, and it's true, isn't it?

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 People have their own style,

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 and I warm to that person.

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 I warm less to that person.

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 That person uses images, which I relate to.

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 That person uses sporting images,

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 which I just don't even understand

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 or begin to pretend I understand.

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 And of course that's going to happen,

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 and that's a good point.

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 Thank you.

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 I think also, as Susan started talking,

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 I was thinking of different perspectives,

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 as in within one service,

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 when I'm able to make connections between,

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 say, a hymn, the scripture reading,

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 the sermon text,

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 like across the service,

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 there's varying ways,

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 and it's the same truth that's expressed,

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 or different angles.

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 Yeah, sure.

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 The facets of the same.

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 Yeah, and I think that's really important,

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 and I think the folk at Trinity do this really well,

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 that I think if you've got this 90 minutes,

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 and we want to make it count,

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 and we want to make it an effective learning unit,

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 then I think every part needs to somehow bear

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 a connection to every other part,

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 and so that each part becomes mutually strengthening,

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 and so you've got one big teaching aim

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 that's expressed through the songs,

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 or through the prayers,

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 or through the reading,

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 through the sermon,

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 through the testimony,

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 whatever it might be,

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 and I think that's really, really important.

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 So I actually,

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 this is giving away my biases,

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 but I think it's really useful

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 that there's one mind behind a Sunday service.

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 In many contemporary churches,

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 contemporary worship-styled services,

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 they have a mind that's put together

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 the bracket of songs,

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 and a mind that prepares the sermon,

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 and a mind that might have

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 some other responsibilities in the service

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 for communion or something else.

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 I think that can mean that one part

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 is kind of knocking up against another part,

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 and there's not necessarily a helpful connection

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 between all three.

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 So I run the daily chapel service

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 at Ridley College where I teach,

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 and my students find this very odd

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 because they're so used now

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 to having different minds

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 behind different parts of the service.

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 There's one person who puts the service together.

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 There's one mind behind it.

00:24:03.680 --> 00:24:05.160
 Okay, that mind might not be the person

00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:05.640
 who's leading.

00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:06.700
 It might be.

00:24:06.900 --> 00:24:09.019
 That's a subsequent question.

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 But to have a unified educational

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 educational or pedagogical unit,

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 I think is very important.

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 But picking up Susan's point

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 about different voices,

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 well, something that it's useful to do,

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 even if you've got the same preacher,

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 is when you have Bible readings

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 to have two or three people

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 speaking the Bible reading.

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 It especially works well

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 if you've got an Old Testament narrative

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 where you've got King David

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 and you've got Absalom

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 and you've got Abigail or something.

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 I don't know if they ever appear

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 in the same passage.

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 I just made that up.

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 But if you've got three different voices

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 or gospel narratives

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 where you've got Jesus speaking

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 with different people and a narrator

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 and having some different voices

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 can freshen the Bible readings as well

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 because you've got a woman

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 speaking the woman's part or something

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 and you've got an excellent narrator

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 speaking that part and so on.

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 They're not big things,

00:25:03.900 --> 00:25:06.680
 but those little things

00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:07.900
 can make enormous difference

00:25:08.440 --> 00:25:10.360
 in lifting the mood of the service.

00:25:10.660 --> 00:25:12.060
 Sister, I think you had your hand up there,

00:25:12.080 --> 00:25:12.320
 did you?

00:25:12.780 --> 00:25:13.700
 Well, for me,

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 I think it's metaphor and similar

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 that I seem to learn from the most.

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 Like, I'll listen to all the words

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 and take notes

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 and then I get home

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 and don't remember the specifics.

00:25:25.759 --> 00:25:26.100
 Right.

00:25:26.100 --> 00:25:29.460
 I will remember a metaphor

00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:31.740
 that the pastor has used.

00:25:31.860 --> 00:25:32.480
 Yes, I see.

00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:37.180
 Or a simile or something very sharp.

00:25:37.420 --> 00:25:39.000
 Yes, and you might have a mind

00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.960
 that kind of is readily engaged

00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:46.079
 with kind of pictorial kind of presentations.

00:25:46.299 --> 00:25:46.720
 Yeah, yeah.

00:25:50.940 --> 00:25:53.519
 I really like the portion of the service

00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.539
 about confession and prayer,

00:25:55.539 --> 00:25:57.380
 like the movement through both

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 the reading of the word

00:26:00.019 --> 00:26:03.160
 and then the assurance of our pardon

00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:04.700
 in that time.

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:06.940
 That's when Nick and I were first married.

00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:08.700
 We were in a Presbyterian church

00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:09.639
 that passed the peace.

00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:10.559
 Yes, yes.

00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:12.160
 And for a newly married couple

00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:13.759
 passing the peace every Sunday,

00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:15.980
 this idea of not letting our hearts get hardened.

00:26:16.639 --> 00:26:17.259
 Oh, interesting.

00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:17.819
 Yeah, right.

00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.579
 That clause before hearing the sermon

00:26:19.579 --> 00:26:20.179
 Yes.

00:26:20.179 --> 00:26:21.879
 To have a soft heart, I think,

00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:23.619
 is really that assurance.

00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.559
 Yes, and at least in Australia,

00:26:25.699 --> 00:26:28.759
 Baptists rarely do that moment of confession.

00:26:28.939 --> 00:26:30.419
 I love it when we do it.

00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:31.299
 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:31.299 --> 00:26:40.440
 And it's a moment that uses words importantly

00:26:40.440 --> 00:26:42.940
 as we try and engage the whole congregation

00:26:42.940 --> 00:26:45.079
 and their recognition of their own sin

00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.519
 and give some very strong words of assurance.

00:26:49.180 --> 00:26:52.220
 It's a very, it's a profoundly gospel moment

00:26:52.220 --> 00:26:52.940
 in the service,

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 and it's also an importantly wordy part.

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 I mean that positively.

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 In the Old Testament, I don't know where,

00:27:00.099 --> 00:27:02.839
 but it says that we suffer because we forget.

00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:04.440
 And it's not that,

00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:06.660
 it's because we forget words.

00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:08.279
 Words from the pastor,

00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:10.519
 words from his book.

00:27:11.120 --> 00:27:12.819
 We suffer because we forget.

00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:14.680
 We forget his words and we turn away from them.

00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:15.279
 Yep, sure.

00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:16.859
 And Moses reminded the people

00:27:16.859 --> 00:27:18.720
 before they entered the promised land

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 that they were likely to forget

00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:21.779
 when they got prosperous

00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:23.440
 and that they had to remember.

00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:26.740
 And Keller, I just want to go to Redeemer,

00:27:26.740 --> 00:27:28.259
 one thing he said was that

00:27:28.259 --> 00:27:31.799
 there aren't any wild sheep

00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.440
 in the wilderness.

00:27:34.180 --> 00:27:34.720
 They die.

00:27:35.259 --> 00:27:36.200
 They need a shepherd.

00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:38.640
 You might see a wild wolf, bison,

00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:40.180
 but never a wild sheep.

00:27:40.180 --> 00:27:40.640
 Ah, I see.

00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:41.599
 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:42.160
 Sure.

00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:42.839
 Not out there.

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 They die.

00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:44.620
 We're safer when we're together

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 than when we're apart.

00:27:45.299 --> 00:27:45.740
 That's true.

00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:46.420
 That's true.

00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:49.740
 Any other hindrances,

00:27:50.100 --> 00:27:51.440
 I can't even say the word,

00:27:51.779 --> 00:27:53.620
 hindrances or helps

00:27:53.620 --> 00:27:57.279
 that you would want to share

00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:58.019
 about your worship?

00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:03.200
 Maybe just hindrances,

00:28:03.200 --> 00:28:03.640
 sorry,

00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.120
 as far as my mind wandering.

00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:07.679
 Yes.

00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:14.119
 So I'm just trying to remain focused.

00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:14.699
 Yes.

00:28:15.099 --> 00:28:16.379
 Do you have some tips for us?

00:28:18.239 --> 00:28:19.979
 When I feel myself wandering,

00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:20.459
 come on,

00:28:20.899 --> 00:28:21.339
 back.

00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:22.179
 Yes, yes.

00:28:22.179 --> 00:28:22.879
 Can I talk to you?

00:28:23.019 --> 00:28:24.059
 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:28:24.679 --> 00:28:25.779
 I suppose that means,

00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.099
 from my perspective,

00:28:28.339 --> 00:28:31.279
 because worship is a classroom,

00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.679
 our Sunday service is a classroom,

00:28:34.099 --> 00:28:35.319
 that it really means I need to get

00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.159
 a good night's sleep on Saturday night,

00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:41.119
 because I would do that

00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.419
 if I were attending classes myself

00:28:43.419 --> 00:28:45.059
 on a Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday.

00:28:46.379 --> 00:28:47.679
 Why would I then think

00:28:47.679 --> 00:28:49.220
 that a late night on Saturday night

00:28:49.220 --> 00:28:50.240
 is the appropriate way to go

00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:51.019
 if I'm going to turn up

00:28:51.019 --> 00:28:52.119
 to a classroom or something?

00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:54.039
 Well, I think if it's a classroom,

00:28:54.179 --> 00:28:55.619
 we need energy to learn, right?

00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.819
 That's just the way it is.

00:28:59.139 --> 00:29:02.220
 I know that Mr Willow Creek,

00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:03.679
 whose name escapes me,

00:29:03.680 --> 00:29:06.460
 Bill Hyvel, thank you,

00:29:06.539 --> 00:29:08.519
 would never go out on Saturday nights.

00:29:08.560 --> 00:29:09.820
 It was a prayer meeting for him.

00:29:10.600 --> 00:29:12.480
 Any social engagements he'd say no to,

00:29:12.539 --> 00:29:12.880
 because he'd say,

00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:14.060
 I've got to make sure

00:29:14.060 --> 00:29:15.660
 that the night before Sunday,

00:29:15.880 --> 00:29:17.820
 I'm rested and I've prayed.

00:29:18.580 --> 00:29:19.660
 And while I don't agree with him

00:29:19.660 --> 00:29:21.539
 on all his thinking about church,

00:29:21.600 --> 00:29:23.880
 I really think that's just so commendable.

00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:26.200
 I mean, he probably had a big day

00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:26.980
 on Sunday as well, right,

00:29:27.019 --> 00:29:28.580
 with 75 services

00:29:28.580 --> 00:29:30.820
 and 2.5 trillion people turning up.

00:29:30.819 --> 00:29:37.419
 I have a similar thing

00:29:37.419 --> 00:29:38.559
 with mind-wandering,

00:29:38.700 --> 00:29:40.119
 but one of the words

00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:41.200
 that comes to mind for me

00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:42.419
 is I need this,

00:29:42.679 --> 00:29:43.500
 this is for me,

00:29:43.939 --> 00:29:44.220
 you know,

00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:45.119
 that reminder that

00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:46.720
 in our corporate gathering,

00:29:46.899 --> 00:29:48.980
 this word is for my heart.

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:49.980
 Yep, yep, yep.

00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:50.740
 Yep.

00:29:52.639 --> 00:29:53.579
 Yes, a little bit of

00:29:53.579 --> 00:29:55.099
 wrap yourself over the knuckles.

00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:55.740
 I beg your pardon?

00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:56.700
 You have the right to take

00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:58.240
 so taking notice is huge.

00:29:58.240 --> 00:29:59.460
 Yeah, it is, isn't it?

00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.120
 And most weeks, I think,

00:30:01.180 --> 00:30:01.420
 at Trinity,

00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:02.900
 there's some blank space,

00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:03.279
 isn't there,

00:30:03.339 --> 00:30:04.880
 in the pew sheet

00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:05.700
 for taking notes.

00:30:05.920 --> 00:30:06.740
 You might have your own

00:30:06.740 --> 00:30:08.299
 journal otherwise.

00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:11.339
 Are you saying then

00:30:11.339 --> 00:30:12.859
 that there's no place

00:30:12.859 --> 00:30:13.620
 for emotion

00:30:13.620 --> 00:30:15.039
 or perhaps you've talked about

00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:15.660
 I wasn't here

00:30:15.660 --> 00:30:16.640
 the other two weeks

00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.240
 about emotion in worship?

00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:21.079
 So no,

00:30:21.339 --> 00:30:22.700
 I'm thinking emotion

00:30:22.700 --> 00:30:23.420
 is a big part,

00:30:24.099 --> 00:30:25.700
 but it's responsive.

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:28.400
 The word always comes

00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:29.660
 before our reaction.

00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:32.900
 And I think one of the most

00:30:32.900 --> 00:30:34.319
 fundamental lessons of worship

00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:35.740
 is that it's responsive.

00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:39.500
 The God speaks first

00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:40.480
 and that's why we gather,

00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:41.559
 that's why we learn,

00:30:42.080 --> 00:30:43.660
 that's how we build each other up.

00:30:44.059 --> 00:30:45.819
 No, I'm more than happy

00:30:45.819 --> 00:30:47.140
 for worship to be

00:30:47.140 --> 00:30:47.740
 an emotional experience.

00:30:47.819 --> 00:30:48.580
 I think actually

00:30:48.580 --> 00:30:51.180
 the range of emotions

00:30:51.180 --> 00:30:52.240
 in church these days

00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:53.220
 is so narrow

00:30:53.220 --> 00:30:54.700
 we ought to broaden

00:30:54.700 --> 00:30:55.559
 the band.

00:30:56.500 --> 00:30:57.539
 So before Christmas

00:30:57.539 --> 00:30:59.140
 the staff asked me

00:30:59.140 --> 00:30:59.720
 to preach

00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.259
 the lament service

00:31:01.259 --> 00:31:02.880
 here on the Sunday

00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:03.740
 before Christmas

00:31:03.740 --> 00:31:05.720
 and I made this point

00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:06.600
 that actually

00:31:06.600 --> 00:31:08.920
 the band of emotions

00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:09.559
 these days

00:31:09.559 --> 00:31:10.200
 has got smaller

00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:10.660
 and smaller

00:31:10.660 --> 00:31:11.380
 and smaller in church.

00:31:11.460 --> 00:31:11.920
 You're only allowed

00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:12.480
 to be happy.

00:31:13.019 --> 00:31:13.360
 I have nothing

00:31:13.360 --> 00:31:14.299
 against happiness.

00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.319
 I enjoy it most of the time.

00:31:17.220 --> 00:31:18.319
 But it's okay too

00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:19.480
 to include other emotions,

00:31:19.579 --> 00:31:19.759
 right?

00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:20.900
 In fact,

00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:21.839
 the Psalms give me

00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:22.940
 a third of the Psalms

00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:23.359
 are laments

00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:23.920
 and they give me

00:31:23.920 --> 00:31:25.420
 permission to be sad

00:31:25.420 --> 00:31:26.299
 in church as well.

00:31:29.660 --> 00:31:30.559
 Isn't that part

00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.500
 of what we're being taught?

00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:34.160
 It's a classroom.

00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:34.839
 Yes.

00:31:34.900 --> 00:31:35.819
 The Psalms teach us

00:31:35.819 --> 00:31:36.799
 how to express.

00:31:36.879 --> 00:31:37.480
 Yes, that's right.

00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:37.900
 That's right.

00:31:38.980 --> 00:31:39.859
 The rest of the world

00:31:39.859 --> 00:31:41.059
 isn't doing that much better

00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:41.779
 than the church

00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:42.980
 and not,

00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:45.059
 the rest of the world

00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:45.740
 doesn't really want you

00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:46.079
 to be anything

00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:46.680
 but happy either.

00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:47.240
 Yeah, that's true.

00:31:47.299 --> 00:31:48.000
 That's true actually.

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:48.960
 That's probably one of the ways

00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.559
 that there are cultural pressures

00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:52.039
 that we've given into.

00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:52.859
 Yeah, yeah.

00:31:54.019 --> 00:31:55.220
 I'm thinking of James' point before

00:31:55.220 --> 00:31:56.000
 about repetition

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.359
 or memorisation of verses

00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.759
 which is kind of a struggle

00:31:58.759 --> 00:31:59.460
 for some of us.

00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:03.039
 What do you think

00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:04.420
 is the value in church

00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:06.400
 of doing things repeatedly?

00:32:09.339 --> 00:32:10.259
 It sinks in.

00:32:10.619 --> 00:32:11.720
 It sinks in, sure.

00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:12.140
 Yeah.

00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:13.539
 Like a cow chewing the cud.

00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:14.759
 It just sinks in.

00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:15.680
 That image is going to stay

00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:16.319
 with me all day.

00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:16.680
 Yeah.

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:18.960
 So he does all day.

00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:19.880
 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:21.819
 Well, in preparation

00:32:21.819 --> 00:32:22.740
 is this kind of

00:32:22.740 --> 00:32:23.799
 inculcation?

00:32:24.299 --> 00:32:25.000
 Yep, yep.

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.839
 It's always been a methodology

00:32:26.839 --> 00:32:28.200
 especially because

00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.339
 we've grown up

00:32:29.339 --> 00:32:30.119
 with so many

00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.180
 beliefs

00:32:32.180 --> 00:32:33.259
 and grievances

00:32:33.259 --> 00:32:33.700
 that we think

00:32:33.700 --> 00:32:34.259
 within ourselves

00:32:34.259 --> 00:32:35.099
 that to go ahead

00:32:35.099 --> 00:32:36.099
 and replace them

00:32:36.099 --> 00:32:37.900
 or like John Baptist put it

00:32:37.900 --> 00:32:38.180
 you know,

00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:39.099
 he must increase

00:32:39.099 --> 00:32:40.039
 that I may decrease.

00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:41.339
 Why am I going to do that?

00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:42.400
 Well, by continually

00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:42.880
 to study

00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:43.559
 and show myself

00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:44.039
 a truth.

00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:46.420
 So by inculcation

00:32:46.420 --> 00:32:46.900
 and learning.

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:47.600
 Yep, yep.

00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:48.800
 I'm with you.

00:32:49.120 --> 00:32:50.080
 It's a pretty

00:32:50.080 --> 00:32:51.560
 hard sell

00:32:51.560 --> 00:32:52.540
 in many churches

00:32:52.540 --> 00:32:53.120
 to say

00:32:53.120 --> 00:32:53.820
 we're going to do

00:32:53.820 --> 00:32:54.800
 the same thing

00:32:54.800 --> 00:32:55.560
 every week

00:32:55.560 --> 00:32:58.340
 because we want

00:32:58.340 --> 00:32:59.120
 it to be fresh

00:32:59.120 --> 00:33:00.500
 we think

00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:01.160
 repetition

00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:02.640
 is inauthentic

00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:03.019
 we want it

00:33:03.019 --> 00:33:03.800
 to be spontaneous

00:33:03.800 --> 00:33:05.360
 so it's actually

00:33:05.360 --> 00:33:06.380
 a hard gig

00:33:06.380 --> 00:33:07.580
 teaching people

00:33:07.580 --> 00:33:08.200
 the value

00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:08.920
 of repetition

00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:09.880
 unless you're a parent

00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:10.759
 and you know

00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:11.240
 that you've got to

00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:11.720
 tell your kid

00:33:11.720 --> 00:33:12.660
 17 times a day

00:33:12.660 --> 00:33:13.280
 to say please

00:33:13.280 --> 00:33:14.060
 and thank you, right?

00:33:14.059 --> 00:33:14.899
 we kind of

00:33:14.899 --> 00:33:16.379
 but we don't

00:33:16.379 --> 00:33:17.179
 take it the next step

00:33:17.179 --> 00:33:17.859
 and say presumably

00:33:17.859 --> 00:33:18.319
 therefore

00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:19.240
 even adults

00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:20.879
 have to be taught

00:33:20.879 --> 00:33:21.599
 to say please

00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:22.159
 and thank you

00:33:22.159 --> 00:33:22.720
 in church

00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:23.720
 kind of regularly

00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:24.700
 or at least weekly.

00:33:24.879 --> 00:33:25.679
 Michael Horton

00:33:25.679 --> 00:33:26.279
 says that

00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:27.879
 the problem is that

00:33:27.879 --> 00:33:29.740
 people don't know

00:33:29.740 --> 00:33:30.139
 what to do

00:33:30.139 --> 00:33:30.819
 when they're bored

00:33:30.819 --> 00:33:32.259
 and that boredom

00:33:32.259 --> 00:33:33.200
 is a bad thing

00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:34.679
 and most of life

00:33:34.679 --> 00:33:35.960
 is full of

00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.359
 rote

00:33:37.359 --> 00:33:40.419
 rhythmic

00:33:40.419 --> 00:33:42.240
 you know

00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:42.979
 we do the same

00:33:42.979 --> 00:33:43.779
 thing every day

00:33:43.779 --> 00:33:44.459
 and you know

00:33:44.459 --> 00:33:45.439
 to look for excitement

00:33:45.439 --> 00:33:46.559
 around every corner

00:33:46.559 --> 00:33:47.699
 it's not a good thing.

00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:48.299
 No, that's right

00:33:48.299 --> 00:33:49.839
 and lots of our kids

00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:52.539
 are overstimulated, right?

00:33:52.740 --> 00:33:53.119
 My niece

00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:54.779
 is like always on her

00:33:54.779 --> 00:33:55.379
 I mean she doesn't

00:33:55.379 --> 00:33:56.379
 even talk to me anymore.

00:33:57.379 --> 00:33:58.199
 Yeah, sure, sure.

00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:00.759
 Yes, please.

00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.119
 Just the fact that

00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:03.459
 I think in our culture

00:34:03.459 --> 00:34:05.479
 we so worship technology

00:34:05.479 --> 00:34:06.159
 and entertainment

00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:07.900
 we've lost connection

00:34:07.900 --> 00:34:09.240
 to the rhythms of life

00:34:09.240 --> 00:34:10.760
 you know

00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:12.039
 the tide comes in

00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:13.380
 the tide comes out

00:34:13.380 --> 00:34:15.519
 the night follows day

00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:16.780
 and there's a certain

00:34:16.780 --> 00:34:17.780
 goodness

00:34:17.780 --> 00:34:19.220
 in tune

00:34:19.220 --> 00:34:20.360
 with those rhythms

00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.380
 that God has given us

00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:23.740
 and we're just

00:34:23.740 --> 00:34:24.960
 cut off from it.

00:34:25.079 --> 00:34:26.119
 Well the modern world

00:34:26.119 --> 00:34:27.039
 has been all about

00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:28.700
 disconnecting

00:34:28.700 --> 00:34:29.980
 from the

00:34:29.980 --> 00:34:31.940
 patterns of nature, right?

00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:32.400
 So we can

00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.360
 use electricity

00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:34.300
 and stay up at night

00:34:34.300 --> 00:34:35.159
 rather than going to bed

00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.359
 when the sun goes down

00:34:37.359 --> 00:34:38.239
 and all those kind of things

00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:39.159
 yeah, sure, sure.

00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:42.799
 I think the more potent

00:34:42.799 --> 00:34:44.940
 argument against repetition

00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:46.619
 is that things become

00:34:46.619 --> 00:34:47.139
 rote

00:34:47.139 --> 00:34:48.699
 and then we disconnect

00:34:48.699 --> 00:34:49.839
 from them.

00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:52.000
 You know, I think

00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:52.779
 I've been in churches

00:34:52.779 --> 00:34:53.920
 where we say creeds

00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:54.879
 we say

00:34:54.879 --> 00:34:56.319
 our Father

00:34:56.319 --> 00:34:58.319
 maker of heaven and earth

00:34:58.319 --> 00:34:59.739
 Jesus Christ

00:34:59.739 --> 00:35:00.279
 his Son

00:35:00.279 --> 00:35:01.699
 we say very important

00:35:01.699 --> 00:35:02.799
 profound things

00:35:02.799 --> 00:35:03.599
 that are not boring

00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:04.039
 at all

00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.279
 but we say them

00:35:06.279 --> 00:35:07.139
 in the same way

00:35:07.139 --> 00:35:07.919
 in the same fashion

00:35:07.919 --> 00:35:08.819
 at the same time

00:35:08.819 --> 00:35:09.579
 and we all get up

00:35:09.579 --> 00:35:10.559
 and it becomes

00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:11.439
 almost like a chant

00:35:11.439 --> 00:35:13.419
 like ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba

00:35:13.419 --> 00:35:14.159
 ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba

00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:14.859
 and then sort of

00:35:14.859 --> 00:35:15.839
 on to the next thing.

00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:16.439
 Yes, yes.

00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:17.179
 I mean an example

00:35:17.179 --> 00:35:17.919
 for us here

00:35:17.919 --> 00:35:18.719
 would be communion

00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:19.619
 because that's

00:35:19.619 --> 00:35:20.719
 obviously a thing

00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:21.359
 we repeat

00:35:21.359 --> 00:35:22.379
 regularly

00:35:22.379 --> 00:35:23.439
 and it's very similar

00:35:23.439 --> 00:35:24.199
 in its forms

00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:26.939
 and I think

00:35:26.939 --> 00:35:27.679
 the bottom line

00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:28.039
 is

00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.099
 do we collectively

00:35:30.099 --> 00:35:30.699
 as a church

00:35:30.699 --> 00:35:31.639
 recognize

00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.519
 the problem

00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:34.559
 of human nature

00:35:34.559 --> 00:35:35.159
 and the fact

00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:35.519
 that

00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:37.359
 we need

00:35:37.359 --> 00:35:38.139
 these constant

00:35:38.139 --> 00:35:38.719
 reminders

00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:39.619
 of ultimate

00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:40.379
 reality

00:35:40.379 --> 00:35:41.899
 and

00:35:41.899 --> 00:35:42.919
 I think

00:35:42.919 --> 00:35:43.319
 you know

00:35:43.319 --> 00:35:44.039
 if you take communion

00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:44.659
 in particular

00:35:44.659 --> 00:35:46.419
 that's a big part

00:35:46.419 --> 00:35:47.179
 of what's going on

00:35:47.179 --> 00:35:47.619
 in communion

00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:50.339
 and you're right

00:35:50.339 --> 00:35:51.319
 the danger

00:35:51.319 --> 00:35:52.179
 of repetition

00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:54.139
 is that it becomes

00:35:54.139 --> 00:35:55.519
 we think it becomes

00:35:55.519 --> 00:35:56.219
 inauthentic

00:35:56.219 --> 00:35:56.699
 we're just going

00:35:56.699 --> 00:35:57.379
 through the motions

00:35:57.379 --> 00:35:58.019
 we're just

00:35:58.019 --> 00:35:59.239
 we're just going

00:35:59.239 --> 00:35:59.759
 through the

00:35:59.759 --> 00:36:01.639
 the process

00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:03.059
 but actually

00:36:03.059 --> 00:36:04.159
 getting rid of

00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:05.159
 the regularity

00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:06.139
 or saying

00:36:06.139 --> 00:36:07.239
 the Lord's Prayer

00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:07.659
 in church

00:36:07.659 --> 00:36:08.399
 or having communion

00:36:08.399 --> 00:36:09.159
 however often

00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:09.739
 it might be

00:36:09.739 --> 00:36:10.599
 doesn't mean

00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:11.159
 that my mind

00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:11.599
 is necessarily

00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:12.639
 engaged either

00:36:12.639 --> 00:36:13.500
 that is

00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:14.179
 I've been in

00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:15.399
 in churches

00:36:15.399 --> 00:36:16.819
 that are very lively

00:36:16.819 --> 00:36:18.919
 without any sense

00:36:18.919 --> 00:36:19.639
 that there should be

00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:20.199
 repetition

00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:21.159
 or liturgy

00:36:21.159 --> 00:36:22.420
 but my mind

00:36:22.420 --> 00:36:22.879
 has wandered

00:36:22.879 --> 00:36:23.339
 and I've seen

00:36:23.339 --> 00:36:23.839
 other people

00:36:23.839 --> 00:36:24.759
 scrolling through

00:36:24.759 --> 00:36:25.099
 YouTube

00:36:25.099 --> 00:36:25.899
 and kind of

00:36:25.899 --> 00:36:26.399
 doing their

00:36:26.399 --> 00:36:27.119
 doing their

00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:27.399
 thing

00:36:27.399 --> 00:36:27.859
 in church

00:36:27.859 --> 00:36:28.079
 and I think

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:28.259
 well

00:36:28.259 --> 00:36:30.219
 losing repetition

00:36:30.219 --> 00:36:30.920
 doesn't necessarily

00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:31.659
 mean that I'm

00:36:31.659 --> 00:36:32.059
 going to be

00:36:32.059 --> 00:36:33.159
 more engaged

00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:34.139
 it could be

00:36:34.139 --> 00:36:35.259
 it could be

00:36:35.259 --> 00:36:35.679
 that some

00:36:35.679 --> 00:36:36.299
 things repeated

00:36:36.299 --> 00:36:37.219
 actually helps

00:36:37.219 --> 00:36:37.899
 my engagement

00:36:37.899 --> 00:36:39.219
 I was actually

00:36:39.219 --> 00:36:39.539
 going to say

00:36:39.539 --> 00:36:40.299
 just push on that

00:36:40.299 --> 00:36:40.779
 a little bit

00:36:40.779 --> 00:36:41.179
 because

00:36:41.179 --> 00:36:43.099
 I grew up

00:36:43.099 --> 00:36:43.539
 in a church

00:36:43.539 --> 00:36:44.039
 that had

00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:44.739
 more liturgy

00:36:44.739 --> 00:36:45.219
 like that

00:36:45.219 --> 00:36:45.699
 and I

00:36:45.699 --> 00:36:47.599
 some of those

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:48.799
 turns of phrases

00:36:48.799 --> 00:36:49.519
 or some of the

00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:50.440
 things that we

00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:51.019
 said

00:36:51.019 --> 00:36:52.079
 frequently

00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:52.740
 come back

00:36:52.740 --> 00:36:53.380
 to my head

00:36:53.380 --> 00:36:54.440
 as like

00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:55.460
 a little promise

00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:56.300
 and again

00:36:56.300 --> 00:36:57.340
 it's sort of

00:36:57.340 --> 00:36:57.700
 you know

00:36:57.700 --> 00:36:58.300
 not trying to

00:36:58.300 --> 00:36:58.920
 excuse that I

00:36:58.920 --> 00:36:59.599
 should memorize

00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.139
 more scripture

00:37:00.139 --> 00:37:00.940
 but these hymns

00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:01.599
 these liturgies

00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:02.139
 these things

00:37:02.139 --> 00:37:02.860
 that we've

00:37:02.860 --> 00:37:03.960
 done

00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:04.700
 do

00:37:04.700 --> 00:37:06.159
 are easier

00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:07.019
 to call to mind

00:37:07.019 --> 00:37:07.579
 because they

00:37:07.579 --> 00:37:08.039
 were placed

00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:08.860
 so deeply

00:37:08.860 --> 00:37:09.960
 that's right

00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:10.420
 I remember

00:37:10.420 --> 00:37:10.740
 being

00:37:10.740 --> 00:37:13.280
 I was just

00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:13.559
 saying

00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:13.960
 that's the

00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:14.340
 critique

00:37:14.340 --> 00:37:14.980
 against them

00:37:14.980 --> 00:37:15.800
 not that I

00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:16.019
 agree

00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:17.400
 I'm actually

00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:18.220
 very pro

00:37:18.220 --> 00:37:20.220
 I actually

00:37:20.220 --> 00:37:21.079
 heard a

00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.000
 really great

00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:22.240
 sermon

00:37:22.240 --> 00:37:22.820
 podcast

00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:23.420
 not at a

00:37:23.420 --> 00:37:23.599
 church

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.880
 that was

00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:28.420
 about the

00:37:28.420 --> 00:37:28.940
 Lord's Prayer

00:37:28.940 --> 00:37:29.579
 and it really

00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:30.280
 convinced me

00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:31.260
 that it's

00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:32.300
 not a cop

00:37:32.300 --> 00:37:32.880
 out to

00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:33.880
 say that

00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:34.539
 daily and

00:37:34.539 --> 00:37:34.980
 frequently

00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:37.320
 I was

00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:38.699
 at the

00:37:38.699 --> 00:37:39.159
 bedside

00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:39.579
 of a man

00:37:39.579 --> 00:37:39.860
 who was

00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:40.219
 dying

00:37:40.219 --> 00:37:41.780
 and his

00:37:41.780 --> 00:37:43.320
 face looked

00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:43.840
 like it

00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:44.240
 had lost

00:37:44.240 --> 00:37:45.000
 all affect

00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.240
 and so

00:37:47.240 --> 00:37:47.579
 I said to

00:37:47.579 --> 00:37:47.679
 him

00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:47.920
 Jim

00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:48.980
 let me

00:37:48.980 --> 00:37:49.400
 pray with

00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:49.599
 you

00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:50.599
 and so

00:37:50.599 --> 00:37:51.300
 I knew

00:37:51.300 --> 00:37:51.740
 that he'd

00:37:51.740 --> 00:37:52.179
 learnt the

00:37:52.179 --> 00:37:52.639
 Lord's Prayer

00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:53.039
 he'd been in

00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:53.599
 church all his

00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:53.880
 life

00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:54.280
 and in the

00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:54.699
 old King

00:37:54.699 --> 00:37:55.480
 James version

00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:56.539
 so I

00:37:56.539 --> 00:37:57.219
 started praying

00:37:57.219 --> 00:37:57.900
 our Father

00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:58.579
 which art in

00:37:58.579 --> 00:37:58.840
 heaven

00:37:58.840 --> 00:37:59.800
 and his

00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:00.780
 eyes popped

00:38:00.780 --> 00:38:01.300
 open

00:38:01.300 --> 00:38:02.280
 and his lips

00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:02.940
 started moving

00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:03.360
 and he was

00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:04.219
 able to pray

00:38:04.219 --> 00:38:04.559
 with me

00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:04.980
 the Lord's

00:38:04.980 --> 00:38:05.239
 Prayer

00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:06.519
 and then

00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:06.739
 at the

00:38:06.739 --> 00:38:07.019
 end

00:38:07.019 --> 00:38:07.880
 there was

00:38:07.880 --> 00:38:08.259
 just no

00:38:08.259 --> 00:38:08.599
 affect

00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:09.380
 left in

00:38:09.380 --> 00:38:09.799
 his face

00:38:09.799 --> 00:38:10.059
 at all

00:38:10.059 --> 00:38:10.360
 it was

00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:11.139
 so deep

00:38:11.139 --> 00:38:12.059
 in his

00:38:12.059 --> 00:38:12.299
 soul

00:38:12.299 --> 00:38:12.679
 that even

00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:13.079
 in his

00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:13.380
 dying

00:38:13.380 --> 00:38:13.820
 breaths

00:38:13.820 --> 00:38:14.159
 he knew

00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:15.179
 how to

00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:15.739
 kind of

00:38:15.739 --> 00:38:16.279
 express

00:38:16.279 --> 00:38:16.699
 his

00:38:16.699 --> 00:38:17.940
 thankfulness

00:38:17.940 --> 00:38:18.259
 and his

00:38:18.259 --> 00:38:18.679
 dependence

00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:19.119
 on the

00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:19.380
 Lord

00:38:19.380 --> 00:38:19.799
 it was

00:38:19.799 --> 00:38:20.000
 just

00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:20.440
 wonderful

00:38:20.440 --> 00:38:22.579
 so I'm

00:38:22.579 --> 00:38:23.099
 a big

00:38:23.099 --> 00:38:23.480
 fan of

00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:23.799
 repetition

00:38:23.799 --> 00:38:24.400
 in church

00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:25.539
 done

00:38:25.539 --> 00:38:26.099
 kind of

00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:26.299
 well

00:38:26.299 --> 00:38:26.820
 and carefully

00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:27.380
 of course

00:38:27.380 --> 00:38:28.579
 but the

00:38:28.579 --> 00:38:29.199
 idea that

00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:29.699
 church should

00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:30.480
 be totally

00:38:30.480 --> 00:38:30.860
 different

00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:31.460
 every week

00:38:31.460 --> 00:38:31.940
 is just

00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:32.639
 an extraordinary

00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:33.420
 burden on

00:38:33.420 --> 00:38:34.000
 the pastoral

00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:34.320
 team

00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:35.920
 as well

00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:37.120
 as educationally

00:38:37.120 --> 00:38:38.320
 not necessarily

00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.019
 very wise

00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:41.880
 when your

00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:42.660
 kids are in

00:38:42.660 --> 00:38:43.860
 five or six

00:38:43.860 --> 00:38:44.420
 presumably they're

00:38:44.420 --> 00:38:44.820
 going to learn

00:38:44.820 --> 00:38:45.780
 their we say

00:38:45.780 --> 00:38:46.559
 times tables

00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:47.140
 is that what you

00:38:47.140 --> 00:38:47.440
 say

00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:48.660
 and they just

00:38:48.660 --> 00:38:49.280
 have to repeat

00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:49.860
 and repeat

00:38:49.860 --> 00:38:50.440
 and repeat

00:38:50.440 --> 00:38:50.920
 and repeat

00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:51.580
 and that's the

00:38:51.580 --> 00:38:53.380
 way you learn

00:38:53.380 --> 00:38:55.880
 now point six

00:38:55.880 --> 00:38:56.320
 I'm going to

00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:57.619
 leave on your

00:38:57.619 --> 00:38:58.059
 sheet the

00:38:58.059 --> 00:38:58.320
 relationship

00:38:58.320 --> 00:38:58.720
 between the

00:38:58.720 --> 00:38:59.180
 Bible reading

00:38:59.180 --> 00:38:59.420
 and the

00:38:59.420 --> 00:38:59.740
 sermon

00:38:59.740 --> 00:39:00.980
 that is

00:39:00.980 --> 00:39:01.380
 probably more

00:39:01.380 --> 00:39:02.320
 relevant in

00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:02.700
 some other

00:39:02.700 --> 00:39:03.320
 churches where

00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:03.760
 there are

00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:04.760
 very little

00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:05.500
 sermon and a

00:39:05.500 --> 00:39:05.760
 lot of

00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:06.460
 Bible readings

00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:07.340
 but we

00:39:07.340 --> 00:39:08.340
 might skip

00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:08.720
 that and

00:39:08.720 --> 00:39:09.320
 turn over

00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:09.960
 the page

00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:11.340
 what I've

00:39:11.340 --> 00:39:11.639
 been saying

00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:12.119
 this morning

00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:13.980
 is that

00:39:13.980 --> 00:39:15.019
 worship is

00:39:15.019 --> 00:39:15.380
 like a

00:39:15.380 --> 00:39:15.940
 classroom

00:39:15.940 --> 00:39:17.340
 given the

00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:18.099
 cues from

00:39:18.099 --> 00:39:19.059
 Psalm 95

00:39:19.059 --> 00:39:19.659
 that it's

00:39:19.659 --> 00:39:20.599
 about words

00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:22.380
 God's words

00:39:22.380 --> 00:39:23.000
 to us

00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:23.860
 our words

00:39:23.860 --> 00:39:24.760
 in response

00:39:24.760 --> 00:39:27.159
 or God's

00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:27.639
 words to

00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:28.380
 us and

00:39:28.380 --> 00:39:29.139
 listening to

00:39:29.139 --> 00:39:30.000
 his words

00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:30.940
 as a kind

00:39:30.940 --> 00:39:31.400
 of worship

00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:31.940
 as well

00:39:31.940 --> 00:39:32.980
 but this idea

00:39:32.980 --> 00:39:33.420
 that worship

00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:33.940
 is a classroom

00:39:33.940 --> 00:39:34.800
 has not been

00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:35.820
 a dominant

00:39:35.820 --> 00:39:37.039
 idea in

00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:37.980
 Christian history

00:39:37.980 --> 00:39:39.420
 and I

00:39:39.420 --> 00:39:39.740
 thought for

00:39:39.740 --> 00:39:40.240
 the architects

00:39:40.240 --> 00:39:40.699
 amongst us

00:39:40.699 --> 00:39:41.039
 this morning

00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:41.460
 I'd put in

00:39:41.460 --> 00:39:41.980
 some pictures

00:39:41.980 --> 00:39:43.059
 just to keep

00:39:43.059 --> 00:39:43.340
 them on

00:39:43.340 --> 00:39:43.719
 board

00:39:43.719 --> 00:39:46.260
 in the

00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:46.860
 Middle Ages

00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:47.440
 church was

00:39:47.440 --> 00:39:48.059
 understood as

00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:48.760
 a fort

00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:49.780
 and I've

00:39:49.780 --> 00:39:50.219
 given you a

00:39:50.219 --> 00:39:50.719
 small picture

00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:51.760
 and Matt's

00:39:51.760 --> 00:39:52.079
 helpfully

00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:52.840
 included them

00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:53.260
 in colour

00:39:53.260 --> 00:39:54.740
 a fort where

00:39:54.740 --> 00:39:55.579
 there's very

00:39:55.579 --> 00:39:56.480
 few windows

00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.079
 very close

00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:58.860
 to the ground

00:39:58.860 --> 00:40:00.380
 very thick

00:40:00.380 --> 00:40:01.119
 walls because

00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:01.760
 the world

00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:02.300
 is evil

00:40:02.300 --> 00:40:03.460
 and you need

00:40:03.460 --> 00:40:04.000
 to be in a

00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.159
 fort for God

00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:07.039
 to hold back

00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:08.039
 the evil

00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:08.679
 empire

00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.480
 but then as

00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:11.259
 the church

00:40:11.259 --> 00:40:11.800
 grew more

00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:12.639
 confident and

00:40:12.639 --> 00:40:13.159
 powerful

00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:15.099
 more and more

00:40:15.099 --> 00:40:15.759
 the church

00:40:15.759 --> 00:40:16.320
 was seen

00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:16.920
 not as a

00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:17.860
 fort for God

00:40:17.860 --> 00:40:18.940
 but as a

00:40:18.940 --> 00:40:20.239
 palace for God

00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.019
 with high

00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:22.639
 walls

00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:23.340
 lots of

00:40:23.340 --> 00:40:23.980
 glass

00:40:23.980 --> 00:40:26.579
 architecturally

00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:27.079
 the walls

00:40:27.079 --> 00:40:27.559
 could stand

00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:28.059
 up because

00:40:28.059 --> 00:40:28.719
 they'd invented

00:40:28.719 --> 00:40:30.219
 flying buttresses

00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:31.199
 or small

00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:32.400
 stone

00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:33.079
 pillars

00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:33.619
 outside

00:40:33.619 --> 00:40:34.460
 that enabled

00:40:34.460 --> 00:40:36.019
 walls that

00:40:36.019 --> 00:40:36.900
 were load

00:40:36.900 --> 00:40:37.380
 bearing to

00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:37.739
 have lots

00:40:37.739 --> 00:40:38.179
 of glass

00:40:38.179 --> 00:40:38.440
 in it

00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:39.039
 and this

00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:39.380
 was a

00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:40.619
 kind of

00:40:40.619 --> 00:40:40.860
 church

00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:41.639
 when the

00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:42.320
 chief goal

00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:42.739
 was to

00:40:42.739 --> 00:40:43.039
 help you

00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:43.500
 understand

00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:44.300
 that Christ

00:40:44.300 --> 00:40:44.960
 is king

00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.139
 not a bad

00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:46.579
 goal

00:40:46.579 --> 00:40:47.440
 but certainly

00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:48.259
 not designed

00:40:48.259 --> 00:40:50.159
 around hearing

00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:51.159
 and speaking

00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:53.780
 then after the

00:40:53.780 --> 00:40:54.440
 reformation

00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:55.800
 church became

00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:56.440
 a theatre

00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:56.840
 especially

00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:57.380
 amongst Roman

00:40:57.380 --> 00:40:57.739
 Catholics

00:40:57.739 --> 00:40:58.039
 who were

00:40:58.039 --> 00:40:59.079
 trying to

00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:00.519
 reassert the

00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:01.159
 centrality of

00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:01.699
 the mass

00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:02.679
 and so

00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:03.299
 the interior

00:41:03.299 --> 00:41:03.559
 of a

00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:03.859
 church

00:41:03.859 --> 00:41:04.519
 became more

00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:04.739
 and more

00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:05.359
 ornate

00:41:05.359 --> 00:41:06.960
 and full

00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:07.819
 of dramatic

00:41:07.819 --> 00:41:08.599
 imagery

00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.139
 a good place

00:41:10.139 --> 00:41:10.819
 in which to

00:41:10.819 --> 00:41:11.419
 celebrate the

00:41:11.419 --> 00:41:12.199
 drama of the

00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:12.539
 mass

00:41:12.539 --> 00:41:14.279
 but then in

00:41:14.279 --> 00:41:14.879
 the 17th

00:41:14.879 --> 00:41:15.619
 century and

00:41:15.619 --> 00:41:16.079
 forward

00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:17.139
 Protestants

00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:17.679
 especially

00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:18.719
 have seen

00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:19.739
 church as

00:41:19.739 --> 00:41:20.659
 a classroom

00:41:20.659 --> 00:41:22.659
 that is

00:41:22.659 --> 00:41:24.079
 built around

00:41:24.079 --> 00:41:24.819
 listening

00:41:24.819 --> 00:41:26.399
 not around

00:41:26.399 --> 00:41:27.899
 seeing the

00:41:27.899 --> 00:41:28.239
 mass

00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:29.000
 performed

00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.000
 and acoustically

00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.079
 designed such

00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:32.679
 that people

00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:33.980
 could hear

00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:35.519
 not with

00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:36.199
 a sung

00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:36.719
 voice

00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:37.440
 but with

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:38.139
 a spoken

00:41:38.139 --> 00:41:38.820
 voice in

00:41:38.820 --> 00:41:39.420
 each part

00:41:39.420 --> 00:41:39.679
 of the

00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:40.039
 building

00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:41.780
 and I

00:41:41.780 --> 00:41:42.639
 think this

00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:43.659
 has become

00:41:43.659 --> 00:41:44.260
 more or less

00:41:44.260 --> 00:41:45.059
 standard

00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:45.699
 amongst many

00:41:45.699 --> 00:41:46.079
 Protestants

00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:46.539
 except

00:41:46.539 --> 00:41:48.400
 in the last

00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:49.119
 perhaps I

00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:49.440
 don't know

00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:50.599
 30-40 years

00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:51.539
 where we're

00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:52.199
 taking our

00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:52.940
 cues for

00:41:52.940 --> 00:41:53.340
 building

00:41:53.340 --> 00:41:53.960
 churches

00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:55.679
 not around

00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:56.260
 the church

00:41:56.260 --> 00:41:56.719
 being a

00:41:56.719 --> 00:41:57.440
 classroom

00:41:57.440 --> 00:41:58.700
 but an

00:41:58.700 --> 00:41:59.420
 entertainment

00:41:59.420 --> 00:42:00.240
 space

00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:01.700
 so we're

00:42:01.700 --> 00:42:02.360
 taking our

00:42:02.360 --> 00:42:03.360
 cues for

00:42:03.360 --> 00:42:04.500
 some modern

00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:05.059
 church

00:42:05.059 --> 00:42:05.760
 architecture

00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:06.920
 from the

00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:07.780
 concert hall

00:42:07.780 --> 00:42:08.579
 or from

00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:10.599
 the rock

00:42:10.599 --> 00:42:11.460
 stadium

00:42:11.460 --> 00:42:13.019
 not so much

00:42:13.019 --> 00:42:14.380
 as a place

00:42:14.380 --> 00:42:15.519
 for teaching

00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:16.079
 and learning

00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:17.099
 or for words

00:42:17.099 --> 00:42:17.960
 to be

00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:18.740
 transacted

00:42:18.740 --> 00:42:20.619
 so this

00:42:20.619 --> 00:42:21.820
 worries me

00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:22.360
 to be quite

00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:22.720
 frank

00:42:22.720 --> 00:42:24.700
 so churches

00:42:24.700 --> 00:42:26.059
 that have

00:42:26.059 --> 00:42:26.700
 the lights

00:42:26.699 --> 00:42:27.739
 so dim

00:42:27.739 --> 00:42:28.919
 in the

00:42:28.919 --> 00:42:29.399
 congregation

00:42:29.399 --> 00:42:30.039
 that even

00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:30.679
 if you had

00:42:30.679 --> 00:42:31.119
 a bible

00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:31.779
 when you

00:42:31.779 --> 00:42:32.039
 get to

00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:32.519
 my age

00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:32.899
 you can't

00:42:32.899 --> 00:42:33.419
 really read

00:42:33.419 --> 00:42:33.679
 it

00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:35.259
 or you

00:42:35.259 --> 00:42:35.819
 can't take

00:42:35.819 --> 00:42:36.199
 notes

00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:36.500
 as our

00:42:36.500 --> 00:42:36.819
 sister at

00:42:36.819 --> 00:42:37.119
 the back

00:42:37.119 --> 00:42:37.339
 said

00:42:37.339 --> 00:42:37.879
 because

00:42:37.879 --> 00:42:40.079
 you can't

00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:40.980
 see to

00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:41.339
 write

00:42:41.339 --> 00:42:42.379
 or you

00:42:42.379 --> 00:42:42.579
 have to

00:42:42.579 --> 00:42:42.839
 turn on

00:42:42.839 --> 00:42:43.219
 your phone

00:42:43.219 --> 00:42:43.659
 and shine

00:42:43.659 --> 00:42:43.919
 it down

00:42:43.919 --> 00:42:44.119
 on your

00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:44.419
 piece of

00:42:44.419 --> 00:42:44.639
 paper

00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:44.960
 and that

00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:45.539
 distracts

00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:45.739
 people

00:42:45.739 --> 00:42:46.139
 around

00:42:46.139 --> 00:42:46.439
 you

00:42:46.439 --> 00:42:50.079
 I don't

00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:50.460
 mind

00:42:50.460 --> 00:42:51.159
 there being

00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:52.159
 a band

00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:52.879
 on the

00:42:52.879 --> 00:42:53.919
 platform

00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:55.039
 I have

00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:55.760
 no problem

00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.000
 with bands

00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:57.940
 with various

00:42:57.940 --> 00:42:58.360
 kinds of

00:42:58.360 --> 00:42:58.559
 instruments

00:42:58.559 --> 00:42:58.900
 I'm not

00:42:58.900 --> 00:42:59.340
 saying we

00:42:59.340 --> 00:42:59.539
 have to

00:42:59.539 --> 00:42:59.960
 have organs

00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:01.099
 but I want

00:43:01.099 --> 00:43:01.700
 the architecture

00:43:01.700 --> 00:43:02.059
 to somehow

00:43:02.059 --> 00:43:02.740
 say that the

00:43:02.740 --> 00:43:03.180
 word is

00:43:03.180 --> 00:43:03.940
 important here

00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:07.059
 and having a

00:43:07.059 --> 00:43:07.440
 pulpit

00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:08.820
 or having a

00:43:08.820 --> 00:43:09.700
 communion table

00:43:09.700 --> 00:43:10.880
 which is God

00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:11.480
 speaking his

00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:12.619
 word through

00:43:12.619 --> 00:43:13.079
 bread and

00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:13.400
 wine

00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.200
 seems to me

00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:15.900
 really important

00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:16.360
 ways of

00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:17.420
 reminding ourselves

00:43:17.420 --> 00:43:18.380
 that church

00:43:18.380 --> 00:43:19.480
 is a

00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:20.240
 classroom

00:43:20.240 --> 00:43:22.079
 not just

00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:22.840
 an entertainment

00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:23.140
 space

00:43:23.140 --> 00:43:23.620
 now I get

00:43:23.620 --> 00:43:24.059
 the fact

00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:25.600
 that our

00:43:25.600 --> 00:43:26.280
 world feels

00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:26.960
 comfortable in

00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:27.360
 entertainment

00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:28.260
 spaces and

00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:29.140
 so we build

00:43:29.140 --> 00:43:29.660
 buildings that

00:43:29.660 --> 00:43:30.120
 are going to

00:43:30.120 --> 00:43:30.660
 be comfortable

00:43:30.660 --> 00:43:31.200
 for people

00:43:31.200 --> 00:43:31.740
 but I'm not

00:43:31.740 --> 00:43:32.260
 sure their

00:43:32.260 --> 00:43:33.320
 primary goal

00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:34.760
 is helping

00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:35.240
 people to

00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:36.039
 feel comfortable

00:43:36.039 --> 00:43:37.519
 because if we

00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:38.360
 are in church

00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:39.760
 to enjoy the

00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:40.360
 presence of the

00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:40.720
 Lord

00:43:40.720 --> 00:43:42.320
 well there's

00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:42.539
 going to be

00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:43.120
 moments that

00:43:43.120 --> 00:43:43.559
 are slightly

00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:44.440
 less comfortable

00:43:44.440 --> 00:43:44.760
 right

00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.539
 and making

00:43:47.539 --> 00:43:48.600
 architectural

00:43:48.600 --> 00:43:50.620
 space for

00:43:50.620 --> 00:43:51.579
 the word to

00:43:51.579 --> 00:43:52.360
 be highlighted

00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:53.620
 and our

00:43:53.620 --> 00:43:54.200
 learning to

00:43:54.200 --> 00:43:54.760
 be enabled

00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:56.000
 seems to

00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:56.559
 me to be

00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:57.860
 of extraordinary

00:43:57.860 --> 00:43:58.579
 importance

00:43:58.579 --> 00:44:01.160
 we've got a

00:44:01.160 --> 00:44:01.480
 couple of

00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:02.039
 minutes until

00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:03.480
 10-2 so you

00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:03.940
 might have some

00:44:03.940 --> 00:44:04.700
 comments or

00:44:04.700 --> 00:44:06.059
 reactions

00:44:06.059 --> 00:44:11.320
 in talking about

00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:12.239
 repetition one

00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:12.719
 thing that I

00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:13.340
 thought a lot

00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:14.440
 about is how

00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:15.599
 you just

00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:16.340
 mentioned you

00:44:16.340 --> 00:44:17.059
 mentioned the

00:44:17.059 --> 00:44:17.799
 story of the

00:44:17.799 --> 00:44:18.480
 man who was

00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:18.960
 dying

00:44:18.960 --> 00:44:24.219
 and how for

00:44:24.219 --> 00:44:25.019
 a generation

00:44:25.019 --> 00:44:26.000
 for generations

00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.920
 that was the

00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:27.880
 Bible and

00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:28.460
 that's what we

00:44:28.460 --> 00:44:29.639
 heard anywhere

00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.559
 it didn't

00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:32.440
 matter where

00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:32.940
 you went

00:44:32.940 --> 00:44:33.759
 you read the

00:44:33.759 --> 00:44:34.259
 King James

00:44:34.259 --> 00:44:34.759
 and you read

00:44:34.759 --> 00:44:35.400
 the King James

00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:36.679
 and you know

00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:37.339
 that was fading

00:44:37.339 --> 00:44:38.079
 as I got into

00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:38.719
 my mind

00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.359
 but there's a

00:44:41.359 --> 00:44:42.379
 value in that

00:44:42.379 --> 00:44:43.779
 in having the

00:44:43.779 --> 00:44:44.799
 same translation

00:44:44.799 --> 00:44:47.299
 that I've just

00:44:47.299 --> 00:44:49.279
 really come to

00:44:49.279 --> 00:44:49.839
 find very

00:44:49.839 --> 00:44:50.839
 important that I

00:44:50.839 --> 00:44:52.239
 told my read

00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.299
 the same

00:44:53.299 --> 00:44:54.539
 translation that

00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:55.359
 is being preached

00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.620
 from a single

00:44:59.620 --> 00:45:00.320
 translation

00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:06.059
 it is quite a

00:45:06.059 --> 00:45:06.519
 significant thing

00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:06.840
 isn't it when

00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:07.620
 many of us in

00:45:07.620 --> 00:45:07.980
 the room will

00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:08.440
 have different

00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:09.620
 Bible translations

00:45:09.620 --> 00:45:10.079
 and so on

00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:10.920
 I went to my

00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:11.579
 aunt's funeral

00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:12.519
 I don't mean to

00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:12.880
 be talking lots

00:45:12.880 --> 00:45:13.300
 about funerals

00:45:13.300 --> 00:45:13.599
 this moment

00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:13.820
 I don't know

00:45:13.820 --> 00:45:14.099
 why this is

00:45:14.099 --> 00:45:14.300
 happening

00:45:14.300 --> 00:45:14.880
 but I went to

00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:15.160
 my aunt's

00:45:15.160 --> 00:45:15.700
 funeral and it

00:45:15.700 --> 00:45:16.220
 was a civil

00:45:16.220 --> 00:45:16.760
 service she

00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:17.079
 wasn't a

00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:17.380
 Christian

00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:18.620
 there was a

00:45:18.620 --> 00:45:20.059
 civil celebrant

00:45:20.059 --> 00:45:21.820
 and there was a

00:45:21.820 --> 00:45:22.300
 little handout

00:45:22.300 --> 00:45:23.059
 with the order

00:45:23.059 --> 00:45:23.740
 of service which

00:45:23.740 --> 00:45:24.380
 was fine and

00:45:24.380 --> 00:45:25.240
 then this woman

00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:25.839
 who was she

00:45:25.839 --> 00:45:26.939
 was probably

00:45:26.939 --> 00:45:28.019
 in her 60s I

00:45:28.019 --> 00:45:28.500
 think who was

00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:29.099
 leading the

00:45:29.099 --> 00:45:30.979
 service went

00:45:30.979 --> 00:45:31.879
 off script and

00:45:31.879 --> 00:45:33.099
 said now we're

00:45:33.099 --> 00:45:33.639
 going to say the

00:45:33.639 --> 00:45:34.079
 Lord's Prayer

00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:35.239
 together and

00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:36.279
 everyone there at

00:45:36.279 --> 00:45:36.919
 the funeral who

00:45:36.919 --> 00:45:39.079
 was over 50 knew

00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:39.939
 the Lord's Prayer

00:45:39.939 --> 00:45:40.419
 in the King

00:45:40.419 --> 00:45:42.579
 James Version and

00:45:42.579 --> 00:45:43.459
 everyone under 50

00:45:43.459 --> 00:45:44.619
 had no idea what

00:45:44.619 --> 00:45:46.419
 was going on I

00:45:46.419 --> 00:45:47.139
 was asked to read

00:45:47.139 --> 00:45:48.179
 Psalm 23 and

00:45:48.179 --> 00:45:48.699
 this guy who was

00:45:48.699 --> 00:45:49.579
 about 40 came up

00:45:49.579 --> 00:45:49.939
 to me afterwards

00:45:49.939 --> 00:45:52.559
 and said mate that

00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:53.319
 was a great poem

00:45:53.319 --> 00:45:53.759
 you read

00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:56.280
 and I said

00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:56.860
 yeah it's a

00:45:56.860 --> 00:45:57.540
 poem like in

00:45:57.540 --> 00:45:58.200
 the Bible there's

00:45:58.200 --> 00:45:59.100
 a whole book of

00:45:59.100 --> 00:45:59.900
 poems called

00:45:59.900 --> 00:46:00.600
 Psalms he goes

00:46:00.600 --> 00:46:02.080
 well I don't

00:46:02.080 --> 00:46:02.460
 even know what

00:46:02.460 --> 00:46:04.560
 that is and I

00:46:04.560 --> 00:46:04.920
 thought what

00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.680
 happened those

00:46:06.680 --> 00:46:08.060
 over 50 all knew

00:46:08.060 --> 00:46:08.860
 how to recite the

00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:09.960
 Lord's Prayer the

00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:11.240
 guy under 50 didn't

00:46:11.240 --> 00:46:11.820
 even know what the

00:46:11.820 --> 00:46:13.880
 Bible was I think

00:46:13.880 --> 00:46:14.680
 the answer is the

00:46:14.680 --> 00:46:16.480
 1960s and 1970s

00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.560
 actually but yeah

00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:19.460
 but it just shows

00:46:19.460 --> 00:46:20.560
 you that in days

00:46:20.560 --> 00:46:21.840
 past that was part

00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:22.320
 of people's

00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:22.980
 learning now they

00:46:22.980 --> 00:46:23.840
 the people who

00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:24.300
 said the Lord's

00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:24.700
 Prayer probably

00:46:24.700 --> 00:46:25.320
 most of them

00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:25.800
 weren't Christians

00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:27.280
 that they'd

00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:28.120
 learnt it from

00:46:28.120 --> 00:46:29.280
 school or Sunday

00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:29.880
 school whatever it

00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:30.360
 might have been but

00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:30.980
 still it was quite

00:46:30.980 --> 00:46:32.280
 dramatic contrast

00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:33.680
 yeah that's right

00:46:33.680 --> 00:46:34.420
 yeah that's right

00:46:34.420 --> 00:46:38.320
 brother make this

00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:38.880
 last comment

00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.340
 when you were

00:46:41.340 --> 00:46:42.039
 talking about

00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:42.840
 how it became

00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.400
 the entertainment

00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:45.820
 actor that

00:46:45.820 --> 00:46:46.320
 becomes

00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:47.559
 the people that

00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:48.320
 ends up happening

00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:49.460
 is that because

00:46:49.460 --> 00:46:51.000
 it addresses the

00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:51.760
 flesh more than it

00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:52.480
 does the spirit

00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.519
 it separates even

00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:55.820
 further and the

00:46:55.820 --> 00:46:56.880
 adversary's goal

00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:57.880
 from the very

00:46:57.880 --> 00:46:58.980
 beginning is to

00:46:58.980 --> 00:46:59.760
 buy and conquer

00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:00.720
 and doing it

00:47:00.720 --> 00:47:01.300
 since the beginning

00:47:01.300 --> 00:47:03.760
 and if we're

00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:04.519
 all lost in

00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:05.900
 the dim

00:47:05.900 --> 00:47:06.640
 lighting and

00:47:06.640 --> 00:47:07.380
 they got

00:47:07.380 --> 00:47:08.280
 lasers they got

00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:08.720
 the lighting

00:47:08.720 --> 00:47:09.740
 just like a rock

00:47:09.740 --> 00:47:11.019
 concert it's all

00:47:11.019 --> 00:47:11.620
 nailed to the

00:47:11.620 --> 00:47:12.420
 flesh and praising

00:47:12.420 --> 00:47:13.860
 God at whatever

00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:15.000
 level is wonderful

00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:16.220
 except for the fact

00:47:16.220 --> 00:47:17.300
 that what ends up

00:47:17.300 --> 00:47:18.480
 losing what gets

00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:19.080
 lost is the

00:47:19.080 --> 00:47:20.300
 cohesiveness of

00:47:20.300 --> 00:47:21.800
 the body because

00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:22.160
 there's no

00:47:22.160 --> 00:47:23.000
 interaction it's

00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:23.820
 loud it's

00:47:23.820 --> 00:47:25.240
 so it becomes a

00:47:25.240 --> 00:47:26.000
 very individualistic

00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:26.760
 experience yeah

00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:37.660
 what I think

00:47:37.660 --> 00:47:38.440
 those folk would

00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:39.020
 say in those

00:47:39.020 --> 00:47:39.640
 churches is

00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:40.460
 accountability comes

00:47:40.460 --> 00:47:41.040
 through small

00:47:41.040 --> 00:47:42.140
 groups and so

00:47:42.140 --> 00:47:42.700
 they've radically

00:47:42.700 --> 00:47:43.900
 changed the balance

00:47:43.900 --> 00:47:44.680
 where accountability

00:47:44.680 --> 00:47:45.840
 lies from the

00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:47.060
 Sunday meeting to

00:47:47.060 --> 00:47:47.700
 the midweek

00:47:47.700 --> 00:47:48.540
 meeting and I

00:47:48.540 --> 00:47:49.620
 mean that that

00:47:49.620 --> 00:47:50.600
 has some value

00:47:50.600 --> 00:47:52.500
 but I still

00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:53.440
 think there's a

00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:55.580
 loss okay thank

00:47:55.580 --> 00:47:56.140
 you brothers and

00:47:56.140 --> 00:47:56.440
 sisters

00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:58.099
 next week worship

00:47:58.099 --> 00:47:59.840
 is a gym so if

00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:00.440
 you're feeling like

00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:00.940
 getting your

00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:03.119
 getting your

00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:03.940
 fitness on then

00:48:03.940 --> 00:48:04.599
 join us at

00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:05.159
 nine o'clock