WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.100 I'm going to talk to you guys this morning about building a culture of discipleship. 00:00:05.459 --> 00:00:08.419 Building a culture of discipleship. 00:00:09.099 --> 00:00:16.600 We were talking a little bit this weekend about how, because it's a new church and it's in the early stages, 00:00:17.400 --> 00:00:23.199 that we should be thinking about what's the culture we want to build as a church. 00:00:23.839 --> 00:00:26.379 You know, this isn't like this long established culture. 00:00:26.379 --> 00:00:28.100 We're 10 months into this. 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:31.000 And what is the culture we want to build? 00:00:31.060 --> 00:00:37.460 Well, one of those things I think that we should be intentional to build into our church culture is a culture of discipleship. 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:37.859 Okay. 00:00:38.060 --> 00:00:45.420 So I want to talk about that this morning and hopefully bring a sense of clarity from the scriptures. 00:00:46.420 --> 00:00:48.240 And we'll jump in. 00:00:48.240 --> 00:00:56.700 Well, before we jump in to the actual main text is Matthew 28, which many of you are familiar with, Matthew 28, 18 to 20. 00:00:56.700 --> 00:01:04.939 But before I say that, I think one thing that's happened in the context of discipleship is two things have been lowered, 00:01:04.939 --> 00:01:10.820 which created this kind of weird vacuum for discipleship to be interpreted in a wrong way. 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:11.560 Okay. 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:21.700 So the first one is, is that we've lowered the bar on what it means to be a Christian because so many people have been Christians in name only or have professed Christ. 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:25.600 But it's like, okay, this isn't adding up. 00:01:25.820 --> 00:01:27.500 I don't think this person is really a Christian. 00:01:27.500 --> 00:01:38.900 And it's almost like we had people felt the need to create this new, this other term to define the people who actually are Christians, you know, the real Christians. 00:01:38.900 --> 00:01:47.400 And so we talked about, because people say things even, heard people say weird things like, well, he's a Christian, but he's just not walking with the Lord. 00:01:47.500 --> 00:01:51.460 It's like, well, that's kind of the same thing. 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:52.380 You know, what do you mean? 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:53.840 He's not walking with the Lord and he's a Christian. 00:01:55.540 --> 00:01:56.540 Things like that. 00:01:56.540 --> 00:02:05.600 And so we almost created, it's like, well, since Christian has been dumbed down, since Christian has been relegated to things that aren't really Christian, 00:02:06.460 --> 00:02:09.620 maybe disciple is something that's like, that's a real Christian. 00:02:10.040 --> 00:02:11.620 Yeah, you're a Christian, but are you a disciple? 00:02:11.939 --> 00:02:16.580 You know, it's almost like we've elevated this word disciple to mean something way more than a Christian. 00:02:16.980 --> 00:02:22.640 And I think it's really because we've lowered the bar on what it means to be a Christian and we shouldn't do that. 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:28.539 In the same way, I think what also has happened is we've lowered the bar on what it means to be the church, 00:02:28.539 --> 00:02:34.719 because there's a lot of churches in name that don't really make disciples. 00:02:35.279 --> 00:02:39.279 Churches in name that don't do a lot of discipleship or teaching people how to obey Jesus, 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:43.619 or it's only, or they do, but it's only from a pulpit. 00:02:43.779 --> 00:02:45.719 Like it's not life on life. 00:02:45.819 --> 00:02:48.819 It's not in each other's lives the way Jesus did it. 00:02:48.819 --> 00:02:56.120 But then what ends up happening is we think, oh, okay, well, because church has been so dumbed down, 00:02:56.219 --> 00:02:59.919 well, then I have to think of, well, I have to create other things to make disciples. 00:03:00.239 --> 00:03:02.900 You know, there's, yeah, you're a part of church, but are you making disciples? 00:03:03.159 --> 00:03:06.659 And it's like, well, is there a kind of church that doesn't make disciples? 00:03:07.379 --> 00:03:11.620 We've dumbed it down so much to think that churches don't make disciples. 00:03:11.620 --> 00:03:19.120 And then we've even gone farther and people start whole parachurch organizations just so that they can make disciples. 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:27.539 You hear what I'm saying here where it's just like, well, you know, I started this parachurch thing to, so I can make disciples. 00:03:27.640 --> 00:03:29.020 And I'm thinking, really? 00:03:29.400 --> 00:03:35.759 Didn't Jesus start something that has part of that word in it, church, that was supposed to make disciples? 00:03:35.920 --> 00:03:37.120 Why do you need another entity? 00:03:37.300 --> 00:03:39.780 Why do you need another thing to make disciples? 00:03:39.780 --> 00:03:41.140 That's what the church is supposed to do. 00:03:41.140 --> 00:03:43.300 Well, yeah, but the churches are doing that. 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:47.620 So start a new one, like start a new entity. 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:52.300 Why not just make the one that God created, that God is building, and just do it right? 00:03:53.159 --> 00:03:58.520 But what ended up happening is people, many of this kind of proliferation of parachurches all over the place, 00:03:59.139 --> 00:04:04.780 basically doing the things that they couldn't do in a church because a lot of churches were just relegated to, 00:04:04.780 --> 00:04:08.439 the only guy who could do that was the guy standing behind the pulpit who was the paid professional. 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:11.020 And so there was no room to do discipleship. 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:16.319 And so we had to start these, people start these parachurch organizations just so they have an avenue for it. 00:04:16.740 --> 00:04:19.560 And that's unfortunate, but it's also just not right. 00:04:19.620 --> 00:04:21.699 It's not what God initially intended. 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:26.000 So I think you have this dumbing down of the word Christian and dumbling down of the word church. 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:31.319 And so then you have like this elevated, like disciple becomes something I don't think it was supposed to mean. 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:35.879 And then disciple making becomes this thing that's like separate from the church. 00:04:36.040 --> 00:04:36.939 And that's weird. 00:04:37.139 --> 00:04:38.680 It was never supposed to be that way. 00:04:39.899 --> 00:04:43.579 In this conversation of disciple making and building a discipleship culture, 00:04:43.579 --> 00:04:51.620 I think it's really important to ask a basic but necessary question. 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.139 What does the Bible say? 00:04:53.899 --> 00:04:55.000 What does the Bible say? 00:04:55.000 --> 00:05:01.839 There are a lot of opinions on discipleship that a lot of times I'll hear things when people talk about making disciples. 00:05:01.980 --> 00:05:03.600 I'm like, where are you getting that from? 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:10.480 I mean, I know where people do that or I know what stream of the church is into that. 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.819 But my question is, where in the Bible does it say that? 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:16.800 Like that's a strong take or a strong opinion. 00:05:17.139 --> 00:05:18.980 But is it grounded in the scriptures? 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:20.379 And that's what we need to ask ourselves. 00:05:20.379 --> 00:05:25.100 Is what we're talking about when we talk about discipleship, is it grounded in the scriptures? 00:05:25.300 --> 00:05:28.779 Not is it, well, that's what I've, I've been a Christian for a long time. 00:05:28.819 --> 00:05:29.699 That's what we've always done. 00:05:30.139 --> 00:05:34.519 Or at my church that I was a part of before, that's the way we did it. 00:05:34.540 --> 00:05:36.600 Or at this church, that's the way they did it. 00:05:36.860 --> 00:05:40.079 And so that must be the way it's done or that must be the best way it's done. 00:05:40.219 --> 00:05:42.199 Or that must be how it's defined. 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.719 And my question is, what do the scriptures say? 00:05:45.800 --> 00:05:46.939 Is it grounded in scripture? 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:47.779 Is it biblical? 00:05:47.779 --> 00:05:54.279 And if we have a strong opinion about discipleship, but don't have any ties to the scripture with it, 00:05:54.579 --> 00:05:57.039 you should question that belief. 00:05:57.199 --> 00:06:03.819 You should question that conviction and make sure it's aligned to the scriptures. 00:06:04.159 --> 00:06:09.799 So now let's jump into Matthew chapter 28, starting verse 18 through 20. 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.279 What many call the Great Commission. 00:06:12.279 --> 00:06:13.199 It says, 00:06:17.779 --> 00:06:18.779 Okay. 00:06:18.779 --> 00:06:18.779 00:06:18.779 --> 00:06:39.159 So let's, let's, let's break this down. 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:40.560 Let's look at this in more depth. 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:45.360 First question when I look at this scripture is who is he speaking to? 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:46.180 Okay. 00:06:46.520 --> 00:06:47.660 Who's he talking to? 00:06:47.740 --> 00:06:48.700 That makes a difference. 00:06:49.020 --> 00:06:51.440 Well, he's talking to his disciples. 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:57.540 So speaking to his disciples, he says, uh, to make disciples. 00:06:57.939 --> 00:07:00.639 That gives us a clue about what a disciple is. 00:07:01.459 --> 00:07:03.240 Disciples make disciples. 00:07:03.740 --> 00:07:08.600 There's no such thing as a disciple doesn't make a disciple because the disciple is supposed 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:12.920 to obey what Jesus commanded and Jesus commanded to make disciples. 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:18.100 So it's kind of an oxymoron to say, well, yeah, I'm a disciple doesn't make disciples. 00:07:18.220 --> 00:07:19.319 No, that's not a disciple. 00:07:19.840 --> 00:07:22.660 He, he, he makes it clear here, go make disciples. 00:07:22.660 --> 00:07:24.160 And he's speaking to disciples. 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:29.300 So a disciple maker, a disciple is someone who makes disciples. 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.240 Disciples make disciples. 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:32.259 Okay. 00:07:32.819 --> 00:07:35.240 Verse 19 starts off with the word go. 00:07:35.660 --> 00:07:36.120 Okay. 00:07:36.120 --> 00:07:36.819 He says, go. 00:07:37.379 --> 00:07:41.400 This implies that with disciple making there's, there's action that's required. 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:43.000 There's action that's a part of it. 00:07:43.500 --> 00:07:45.159 Uh, we can't, you can't stay where you're at. 00:07:45.299 --> 00:07:46.279 You need to go. 00:07:46.739 --> 00:07:52.620 You need to, uh, pursue people, pursue people to, uh, be made into disciples. 00:07:53.679 --> 00:08:00.079 So, uh, sometimes we think, you know, well, I kind of like where I'm comfortable. 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:02.959 I just want to do my own thing and people can come to me. 00:08:03.019 --> 00:08:03.579 That's fine. 00:08:03.579 --> 00:08:04.959 But no, this says go. 00:08:05.579 --> 00:08:07.959 It doesn't say wait for someone to come to you. 00:08:08.039 --> 00:08:11.039 It says, go, go, go make disciples. 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:11.679 Okay. 00:08:11.899 --> 00:08:12.539 So go. 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:20.819 Secondly, it says make, which then also brings us to the concept that disciples are made. 00:08:21.239 --> 00:08:21.679 Okay. 00:08:22.099 --> 00:08:23.099 Disciples are made. 00:08:23.259 --> 00:08:28.939 Now, if you know, something's made, you know, like you see something like, oh, that's an 00:08:28.939 --> 00:08:29.599 interesting thing. 00:08:29.639 --> 00:08:31.219 I would like to have that. 00:08:31.679 --> 00:08:32.720 Somebody made that. 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:35.120 How do you make that is the question, right? 00:08:35.500 --> 00:08:38.079 If you have, you know, something you eat, it's like, wow, that was great. 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.139 How did you make that, right? 00:08:40.160 --> 00:08:44.100 When you see something that you like or enjoy, you usually ask the question, how is that made? 00:08:44.340 --> 00:08:46.960 Well, we know that disciples are made. 00:08:47.060 --> 00:08:51.000 So the question then that we should have is how are disciples made? 00:08:51.100 --> 00:08:52.040 It begs the question. 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:57.159 And that's a question we shouldn't just answer on our own apart from the scriptures. 00:08:57.159 --> 00:09:01.000 We just get to say, well, this is how I'd like to do it or this is how I'd like to do it. 00:09:01.199 --> 00:09:04.000 And where there's freedom, let there be freedom. 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:08.480 But where the Bible says you should do it this way or where the Bible gives us a path of doing 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.039 it, we should follow that. 00:09:10.339 --> 00:09:10.500 Okay. 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:11.839 So we'll get into that more. 00:09:11.939 --> 00:09:14.519 But I just wanted to make that point that disciples are made. 00:09:14.559 --> 00:09:17.159 And so we should at least ask the question, how are they made? 00:09:17.159 --> 00:09:17.600 Okay. 00:09:19.259 --> 00:09:20.639 So go make what? 00:09:20.839 --> 00:09:21.759 You make disciples. 00:09:22.259 --> 00:09:23.219 What are you making? 00:09:23.259 --> 00:09:25.819 You're making disciples, which then begs another question. 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:27.719 What is a disciple? 00:09:28.819 --> 00:09:29.120 Okay. 00:09:29.299 --> 00:09:33.240 So if you think a disciple is one thing and I think a disciple is another thing and we 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:35.719 both say, hey, we're making disciples. 00:09:36.139 --> 00:09:36.980 No, no, no, no. 00:09:37.860 --> 00:09:41.799 You're making something different than I am, but I'm making a disciple. 00:09:42.100 --> 00:09:44.720 Not if you don't have the same definition of what a disciple is. 00:09:44.899 --> 00:09:46.159 It's pretty important, right? 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:49.199 You can't say, well, I'm making disciples. 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:49.819 You're making disciples. 00:09:49.939 --> 00:09:50.079 Great. 00:09:50.139 --> 00:09:50.919 We're all making disciples. 00:09:51.539 --> 00:09:54.079 Not if that word doesn't mean the same thing to us. 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:55.980 And again, what's the unifying factor? 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:59.079 How do we get the word to make, to mean the same thing for both of us? 00:09:59.439 --> 00:09:59.919 The scriptures. 00:10:00.659 --> 00:10:00.819 Okay. 00:10:00.819 --> 00:10:03.939 So we got to look to the scriptures, which we'll look to that question as well. 00:10:04.199 --> 00:10:09.240 But I'm just trying to go through this and try to, sometimes the best thing to do is 00:10:09.240 --> 00:10:11.339 make sure you're asking the right questions too, right? 00:10:11.980 --> 00:10:14.199 So you go, you make, what are you making? 00:10:14.259 --> 00:10:15.019 You're making disciples. 00:10:15.980 --> 00:10:16.879 How do you make them? 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:17.679 We'll look at that. 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:18.600 Okay. 00:10:19.059 --> 00:10:19.659 Of what? 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:20.639 Of all nations. 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:23.340 So that answers the question of where, right? 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:26.179 So do we only do it here? 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:32.120 Well, you start here and you always are open to the fact that God could send you elsewhere, 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:33.139 right? 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:34.840 Some people are to go. 00:10:35.299 --> 00:10:37.720 Clearly not all, because if everybody went, then no one would stay. 00:10:37.799 --> 00:10:40.259 And if nobody stayed, well, who's going to make disciples where you were at? 00:10:40.700 --> 00:10:41.980 Then it would just be this mass shuffle. 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:43.639 Everybody's just moving to where they don't live, right? 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:47.919 I don't think that's what Jesus was saying here, that you can't live where you're from 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:50.379 and everybody has to go live somewhere else. 00:10:50.899 --> 00:10:55.379 But I do believe that what he's saying here is you do, some people do have to go to different 00:10:55.379 --> 00:10:55.840 places. 00:10:56.159 --> 00:10:58.319 There's people who haven't heard, right? 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.180 There's people where there's no gospel witness. 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:02.140 There's countries where there's no gospel witness. 00:11:02.520 --> 00:11:04.140 Cities where there's no gospel witness. 00:11:04.900 --> 00:11:09.980 And although not everyone is called to do that, we should always be willing to do that 00:11:09.980 --> 00:11:16.640 and open to doing that and be in a place where we can, where God could tell us that and we 00:11:16.640 --> 00:11:17.160 could hear him. 00:11:17.660 --> 00:11:22.280 That we're not so entrenched and comfortable in our own life, but we could say, okay, God, 00:11:22.620 --> 00:11:23.720 I'm here. 00:11:23.780 --> 00:11:24.220 I'm available. 00:11:24.420 --> 00:11:25.860 Like, I'm going to be where I'm at right now. 00:11:25.860 --> 00:11:27.100 I'm going to do what I need to do here. 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:28.139 I'm going to make disciples here. 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:32.200 But if you would want to call me somewhere else, may I be receptive to that. 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:33.659 That's just a good prayer to pray. 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:40.500 It's a good thing to be thinking about because God does call people to go to other nations, 00:11:40.580 --> 00:11:40.820 right? 00:11:40.940 --> 00:11:42.980 And he wants to disciple all nations. 00:11:43.100 --> 00:11:47.680 He wants people everywhere to become disciples. 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:53.980 And until the gospel is, the end won't come until the gospel is preached to all people groups, 00:11:54.019 --> 00:11:54.279 right? 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:54.319 Right? 00:11:56.519 --> 00:12:02.000 So in asking the question of how, part of that is answered here in this verse as well. 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:04.079 So we go, we make, make what? 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:04.819 Make disciples. 00:12:05.199 --> 00:12:05.419 Where? 00:12:05.539 --> 00:12:06.120 All nations. 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:06.959 How? 00:12:07.439 --> 00:12:09.000 There's two ways that he's saying that. 00:12:09.079 --> 00:12:12.659 First, he says, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. 00:12:13.100 --> 00:12:15.740 Clearly, he's not telling us to baptize people who aren't Christians. 00:12:15.740 --> 00:12:22.120 That, the fact that he's saying, go baptize people, we can, we can allude from that, that 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:25.659 he wants us to preach the gospel to people and see people get saved. 00:12:26.259 --> 00:12:26.639 Right? 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:31.039 The first how of discipleship is they have to become a Christian. 00:12:32.059 --> 00:12:34.919 Like, we're not going to disciple someone who's not. 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:39.199 So when he's saying, go disciple people, he's saying, baptize them. 00:12:39.899 --> 00:12:42.319 Preach the gospel to them, get them saved, and then baptize them. 00:12:43.100 --> 00:12:47.740 And then the second thing is, he says, and teach them to observe, or another word that could 00:12:47.740 --> 00:12:50.519 be used there is obey, everything Jesus commanded. 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:51.399 Okay? 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:57.419 So it's baptizing and teaching people to obey. 00:12:57.539 --> 00:12:58.480 Baptizing and teaching. 00:12:58.899 --> 00:13:00.240 Preaching the gospel and teaching. 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:00.919 Okay? 00:13:00.939 --> 00:13:03.620 Very important in answering the question of how. 00:13:04.460 --> 00:13:05.100 All right. 00:13:05.379 --> 00:13:11.960 Let's look at a more detailed, detailed into some of these questions. 00:13:12.539 --> 00:13:14.799 How about the question of, what is a disciple? 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:15.600 Okay? 00:13:15.980 --> 00:13:16.960 What is a disciple? 00:13:16.960 --> 00:13:21.820 Well, a clue of this is, I think, Acts chapter 11, verse 26. 00:13:22.620 --> 00:13:26.240 Before Acts chapter 11, there's no mention of a Christian. 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:27.879 There's only mention of disciples. 00:13:28.620 --> 00:13:28.800 Right? 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:34.660 And then in Acts chapter 11, 26, it says, and in Antioch, the disciples were first called 00:13:34.660 --> 00:13:35.480 Christians. 00:13:36.540 --> 00:13:40.480 So you got to ask the question, is a disciple a Christian? 00:13:41.460 --> 00:13:42.379 Are they synonymous? 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.680 Or is a disciple more than a Christian? 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:46.979 I don't think a disciple is. 00:13:47.059 --> 00:13:51.019 I believe that when he says, go make disciples, he's saying, go make Christians. 00:13:52.099 --> 00:13:52.259 Okay? 00:13:52.759 --> 00:13:55.519 They're used synonymous in the scriptures here. 00:13:55.919 --> 00:13:59.779 And that's why we have to, what he's saying, baptize them is because they need to become 00:13:59.779 --> 00:14:00.299 a Christian. 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:04.879 But I think the first thing that's important to say is a disciple is a Christian. 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:06.259 A Christian is the disciple. 00:14:06.819 --> 00:14:11.939 We've, again, when you dumb down the word Christian and then disciple becomes this better thing. 00:14:11.940 --> 00:14:15.860 And, well, if Christian just was what it was always meant to be and what it was in the 00:14:15.860 --> 00:14:18.260 book of Acts, they mean the same thing. 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:19.460 A Christian is a disciple. 00:14:20.160 --> 00:14:21.480 An disciple is a Christian. 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.700 I think that's a really important thing to think about because sometimes we're trying to 00:14:25.700 --> 00:14:27.540 make it into something that it's not. 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.460 And I don't think the Bible is doing that. 00:14:30.680 --> 00:14:34.440 Another way to look at when you ask the question, what is a disciple is? 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:36.580 What did Jesus say a disciple was? 00:14:36.800 --> 00:14:41.340 The one who's saying, go make a disciple is, what are the marks, the distinguishing marks 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:42.100 that he gave? 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:47.720 Because Jesus would say things very cut and dry, black and white things like, if you don't 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.540 do this, then you can't be my disciple. 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:53.660 Well, if I'm asking the question, what is a disciple? 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.160 Those kind of things are, those are piquing my interest. 00:14:57.240 --> 00:14:59.380 My ears are, okay, that's important. 00:14:59.379 --> 00:15:05.559 So as far as I can see, I can see seven different things that kind of seven different marks of 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.340 a disciple that Jesus brings up. 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:09.659 All right, let's look at them. 00:15:10.120 --> 00:15:14.679 And I think if you look at these seven things, these also are great things to think about 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:21.580 when you have a new disciple or a new Christian, what are some things that we like groundwork 00:15:21.580 --> 00:15:22.519 that we need to lay with them? 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:27.480 What are things that they need to understand, be taught and make sure that that's there? 00:15:27.480 --> 00:15:30.700 Again, number one, to just make sure that they're a disciple, period. 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:35.500 But two, in making sure that they're a disciple, you're also building confidence in them to 00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:38.560 disciple and then they can go teach other people and make disciples as well. 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:41.259 If you don't know what a disciple is, how will you make one? 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.899 If you don't know what a disciple is and you're not teaching other people what a disciple is, 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:46.039 how will they make one? 00:15:46.920 --> 00:15:48.500 So let's look at these seven things. 00:15:49.500 --> 00:15:53.259 The first four of them are in Luke chapter 14, okay? 00:15:53.259 --> 00:16:01.000 Luke chapter 14, verse 26, he says, if you don't hate your family and even your own life, 00:16:01.059 --> 00:16:03.340 you cannot be my disciple, okay? 00:16:03.659 --> 00:16:05.759 So this speaks of priority, right? 00:16:06.259 --> 00:16:10.840 We clearly know from the rest of the scripture, he's not saying you have to literally hate your 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.080 family because he tells you another place to love. 00:16:13.139 --> 00:16:18.220 But in view of the difference between how you love God and how you love your family, 00:16:18.220 --> 00:16:22.940 it should, there should be such a drastic difference there that it would look like hate. 00:16:23.100 --> 00:16:25.040 And he says, even hate your own life. 00:16:25.379 --> 00:16:29.000 Where you're not loving your own life and counting your own life as better than other people. 00:16:29.620 --> 00:16:35.040 Like Chris just talked about this in Philippians chapter 2, considering other people better 00:16:35.040 --> 00:16:36.440 than yourself, right? 00:16:37.000 --> 00:16:40.660 So this is a mark of discipleship. 00:16:40.700 --> 00:16:45.519 He says, you cannot be my disciple unless you hate your family and even your own life. 00:16:45.519 --> 00:16:50.519 And so we should teach, we should use this as a distinguisher of a disciple, but also teach 00:16:50.519 --> 00:16:56.659 them that there's an order of priority that you, Jesus is first, your family has to be 00:16:56.659 --> 00:16:58.019 less than, and you're last. 00:16:58.579 --> 00:17:02.740 You know, you don't count your life as valuable, but you lay down your life, all right? 00:17:03.460 --> 00:17:06.139 Secondly, he says you have to carry your cross. 00:17:06.259 --> 00:17:09.559 And if you don't carry your cross, you cannot be my disciple, all right? 00:17:09.579 --> 00:17:15.240 So there's a cost to discipleship or there's a cost to Christianity, all right? 00:17:15.599 --> 00:17:17.380 And we need to teach people that. 00:17:17.799 --> 00:17:27.339 There's been a crossless Christianity that's been preached many times in church context. 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:29.039 That's a false gospel. 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:30.220 It's a false Christianity. 00:17:30.940 --> 00:17:34.059 Because Jesus says you can't be a disciple unless you carry your cross. 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:38.720 So if you preach a gospel or a Christianity that doesn't cost you or you don't have to 00:17:38.720 --> 00:17:41.400 carry your cross, you're selling them a bill of goods. 00:17:41.460 --> 00:17:42.339 That's not the real deal. 00:17:42.339 --> 00:17:47.459 They can't actually be a disciple if they have a crossless Christianity, okay? 00:17:47.879 --> 00:17:52.720 Number three, he says you have to follow Jesus. 00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:56.779 You pick up your cross and follow Jesus or you can't be my disciple. 00:17:57.399 --> 00:17:58.939 So you can't just be a good person. 00:17:59.459 --> 00:18:01.679 You can't just ascend to higher morals. 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:03.599 You can't just attend church. 00:18:03.859 --> 00:18:05.759 You have to actually follow Jesus. 00:18:05.759 --> 00:18:13.379 You have to actually listen to him, obey him, reverence him as God, believe that he is who 00:18:13.379 --> 00:18:17.379 he says he is and not just a prophet, but that he's actually God. 00:18:17.420 --> 00:18:18.359 And you have to follow him. 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:20.599 You have to follow his leading and obey his scriptures. 00:18:20.599 --> 00:18:28.019 And then at the end of Luke 14 and verse 33, he then makes an even more sweeping statement. 00:18:28.679 --> 00:18:33.759 He says, unless you give up everything, or another version would say, unless you forsake 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:36.259 all, you cannot be my disciple. 00:18:36.959 --> 00:18:41.259 So there has to be this, now we're talking an even more pervasive set of priorities where 00:18:41.259 --> 00:18:46.519 it's just like, hey, you can't hold anything in higher value than Jesus. 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.940 You have to forsake everything in order to follow Jesus. 00:18:50.039 --> 00:18:51.079 You have to lose your life. 00:18:51.420 --> 00:18:53.259 Anyone who tries to save their life will lose it. 00:18:53.619 --> 00:18:56.460 Whoever loses his life for my sake in the gospel will find it. 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:57.639 Mark 8, 35. 00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:58.619 Okay. 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:01.960 And so there's this giving up of everything. 00:19:02.059 --> 00:19:03.539 Or you cannot be my disciple. 00:19:03.819 --> 00:19:06.440 And so you have people, it's like they've given up certain things. 00:19:07.059 --> 00:19:14.000 Just talking to someone about a month or two ago, and he was just so distraught because 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.500 he felt like, I've given up this, I've given up this, I've given up this. 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:17.819 I've given up so much. 00:19:18.480 --> 00:19:21.240 And yet there was one thing he was unwilling to give up. 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:25.000 And he was constantly in this up and down. 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:26.460 He was bound up by things. 00:19:26.539 --> 00:19:28.680 And like, I don't believe you're a Christian. 00:19:29.259 --> 00:19:34.779 Even though you attend church and you talk the talk and you know verses and you've been 00:19:34.779 --> 00:19:38.180 around for a long time, I don't think you've actually forsaken all. 00:19:38.259 --> 00:19:41.119 There's still this thing that you're unwilling to give up. 00:19:41.619 --> 00:19:47.299 There's still an area where you are still walking in rebellion, where you give God the stiff 00:19:47.299 --> 00:19:49.439 arm and say, no, like I'll do this. 00:19:49.459 --> 00:19:50.000 I'll do this. 00:19:50.019 --> 00:19:50.419 I'll do this. 00:19:50.479 --> 00:19:51.239 But I won't do that. 00:19:52.739 --> 00:19:56.459 And he said, you cannot be his disciple if you're not willing to give up everything. 00:19:56.900 --> 00:19:58.680 You're still holding on to this. 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:03.259 And unfortunately, from that conversation, he went away sad. 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.460 But that's the same thing that happened when Jesus spoke this way. 00:20:06.940 --> 00:20:09.940 Like when he said to the rich young ruler, he's like, well, I've done, what do I got to do? 00:20:10.660 --> 00:20:11.299 I've done that. 00:20:11.360 --> 00:20:11.779 I've done this. 00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:12.180 I've done this. 00:20:12.220 --> 00:20:12.500 I've done that. 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:13.720 I've done all those things, Lord. 00:20:14.440 --> 00:20:15.740 He's like, well, one thing you lack. 00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:17.019 Go sell everything you have. 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:18.460 Well, he was rich. 00:20:19.120 --> 00:20:20.799 And so like, well, I'm not going to do that. 00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:24.039 And why did he not tell everyone to sell all their stuff? 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:29.180 I think he was discerning that this person loved his money and his stuff. 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:30.200 And that was his God. 00:20:30.500 --> 00:20:34.840 And until he was going to forsake that, he couldn't be his disciple. 00:20:34.980 --> 00:20:35.720 And what did he do? 00:20:35.779 --> 00:20:36.579 He went away sad. 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:41.340 The fact that more people don't go away sad when we preach the gospel and talk about what 00:20:41.340 --> 00:20:42.840 it means to be a disciple or a Christian. 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:46.259 When Jesus talked about it, people did go away sad. 00:20:46.259 --> 00:20:48.500 You got to ask the question, are we preaching the same thing Jesus did? 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:53.960 Is our version of Christianity or discipleship the same as Jesus if nobody goes away sad? 00:20:54.700 --> 00:20:56.420 People should go away sad sometimes. 00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:57.660 No, we hope that they don't. 00:20:57.859 --> 00:21:01.220 We hope that they would forsake those things and turn to Christ. 00:21:01.299 --> 00:21:01.920 They would repent. 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:03.099 Okay. 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:04.339 But that's required. 00:21:04.440 --> 00:21:05.720 Or you cannot be my disciple. 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:07.420 Jesus is saying it unequivocally. 00:21:07.539 --> 00:21:08.000 You cannot. 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:12.259 Fifth one, John 13, 35. 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:13.240 Okay. 00:21:13.240 --> 00:21:19.200 He talks about all people will know that you are my disciples. 00:21:19.660 --> 00:21:20.019 How? 00:21:20.700 --> 00:21:22.079 By your love for one another. 00:21:22.620 --> 00:21:22.819 Okay. 00:21:23.299 --> 00:21:27.480 So if you end up saying, well, yeah, I'm a Christian, but I don't value church. 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:28.720 I don't value the one another. 00:21:28.819 --> 00:21:29.859 I don't value people. 00:21:30.019 --> 00:21:32.400 It's like, well, I don't know about this. 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:33.759 I don't know if you're really a disciple. 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:35.980 You prove. 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:37.000 Okay. 00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:38.039 They'll know. 00:21:38.339 --> 00:21:40.640 They'll know that you're a disciple by your love for one another. 00:21:40.640 --> 00:21:43.580 This is where we teach people the importance of a new disciple. 00:21:43.720 --> 00:21:45.259 We say, hey, you need the church. 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:46.740 You need the church. 00:21:46.840 --> 00:21:47.400 A disciple. 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:50.540 We know you're a disciple because you love one another. 00:21:51.220 --> 00:21:52.800 And that's what we need to teach people. 00:21:52.940 --> 00:21:54.620 And if that's not there, you got to ask the question. 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.100 I don't know if this person's a disciple. 00:21:57.040 --> 00:21:58.140 Jesus gives us these clues. 00:21:58.280 --> 00:21:58.960 Number six. 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:01.240 John 15, verse eight. 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:03.400 He says, bear much fruit. 00:22:03.400 --> 00:22:08.400 And by bearing much fruit, you prove to be my disciples. 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:11.120 So the question would be, you're a disciple? 00:22:11.680 --> 00:22:12.500 What's the proof? 00:22:13.099 --> 00:22:16.059 Well, Jesus gives us the proof that you're bearing much fruit. 00:22:16.660 --> 00:22:18.539 And again, this is what we're teaching a new believer. 00:22:18.960 --> 00:22:20.900 How do you teach a believer that they bear much fruit? 00:22:21.299 --> 00:22:22.319 You abide in Christ. 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.000 And if you abide in Christ, you'll bear much fruit. 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:27.759 You don't bear fruit on yourself. 00:22:27.759 --> 00:22:29.859 You don't bear fruit by trying harder. 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.000 There's only one person who could truly be a Christian. 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:33.680 That's Jesus. 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.740 And so a Christian puts their faith in Jesus. 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:38.019 Jesus lives inside of them. 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:39.960 And Jesus lives the Christian life through you. 00:22:40.500 --> 00:22:40.900 Right? 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:42.619 And you begin to bear much fruit. 00:22:43.099 --> 00:22:46.539 It's the fruit of the Spirit inside of you. 00:22:46.940 --> 00:22:47.140 Okay? 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:49.359 This is how you prove to be a disciple. 00:22:49.779 --> 00:22:51.240 If you look at someone, they don't have the fruit. 00:22:52.160 --> 00:22:53.940 You know, I was talking to someone the other day. 00:22:53.940 --> 00:23:01.559 They've been looking at porn for 15 years almost every single day, many times, multiple times a day, for 15 years straight. 00:23:01.779 --> 00:23:02.820 I said, hey, listen. 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.320 I don't care that you profess to be a Christian for all this time. 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:07.820 Where's the fruit, man? 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:09.440 Where's the fruit? 00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:15.440 You're not proving to be a disciple because the fruit that's coming to your life is not the life of a disciple. 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:16.559 It's a different kind of fruit. 00:23:16.620 --> 00:23:17.180 It's bad fruit. 00:23:17.660 --> 00:23:19.080 This tells me this is a bad tree. 00:23:19.420 --> 00:23:20.620 You want to prove that you're a disciple? 00:23:20.759 --> 00:23:21.580 There has to be fruit. 00:23:21.579 --> 00:23:23.939 Number seven. 00:23:24.919 --> 00:23:26.220 John 8, 31. 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:32.740 Jesus says, if you hold to my teaching, you are truly my disciples. 00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:37.279 Again, using the language of truly tells you that there's false disciples. 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:41.199 If Jesus was telling us how to distinguish what a true disciple was, 00:23:41.699 --> 00:23:44.720 you've got to infer that there must be people who are false disciples, 00:23:45.059 --> 00:23:47.699 who profess to be disciples but aren't truly. 00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:51.559 And he said the distinguishing marker is that they hold to Jesus' teaching. 00:23:52.100 --> 00:23:57.940 And so this is why any new disciple, they have to believe the Bible and obey the Bible. 00:23:58.140 --> 00:23:59.539 Read the Bible and obey the Bible. 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:00.759 Hear and obey. 00:24:01.259 --> 00:24:01.440 Right? 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:09.880 And when you see a person who reads the Bible, hears the Bible, he holds to the teachings of Jesus. 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:12.880 Okay, now we're talking here. 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:15.120 Now I can see you're truly his disciple. 00:24:15.559 --> 00:24:20.900 If someone's not holding to Jesus' teaching, you've got to ask, is this person truly a disciple? 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.060 Jesus says, no, you're not truly my disciple if you don't hold to my teachings. 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:26.759 So you have these seven marks. 00:24:28.200 --> 00:24:29.540 Hating your family and your life. 00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:30.460 Carrying your cross. 00:24:30.580 --> 00:24:31.259 Following Jesus. 00:24:31.700 --> 00:24:32.519 Giving up everything. 00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:33.500 Love for one another. 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:34.759 Bearing much fruit. 00:24:35.180 --> 00:24:36.620 And holding to Jesus' teaching. 00:24:37.380 --> 00:24:40.820 Okay, I think those are really good things to answer the question, what is a disciple? 00:24:41.820 --> 00:24:42.140 All right? 00:24:42.540 --> 00:24:46.540 And the next question would be, disciples of who? 00:24:47.359 --> 00:24:49.420 Like, are we supposed to make disciples of ourselves? 00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:52.059 Or are we supposed to make disciples of Jesus? 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:59.819 I think one of the reasons where this can get distorted is that people are trying to make disciples of themselves instead of making disciples of Jesus. 00:25:00.659 --> 00:25:04.559 Now, if you look in the Bible, you have Mark 2, verse 18. 00:25:05.059 --> 00:25:06.379 You have John had disciples. 00:25:06.879 --> 00:25:08.319 And the Pharisees had disciples. 00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:09.379 Okay? 00:25:09.899 --> 00:25:16.359 The Pharisees even said in John 9, that guy who got healed, he's like, why are you asking all these questions? 00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:18.319 Do you too want to become Jesus' disciple? 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:19.419 And they're like, no. 00:25:19.939 --> 00:25:21.199 We're disciples of Moses. 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:21.719 You know? 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:27.299 And just kind of dropped the hammer and then made a bunch of, said a bunch of mean things about him or whatever. 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:32.359 But here you see, the only, you see there was disciples of John. 00:25:32.439 --> 00:25:33.819 There was disciples of the Pharisees. 00:25:33.899 --> 00:25:35.879 The Pharisees claimed to be disciples of Moses. 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:40.240 But in Acts 9, verse 1, it says, 00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:45.800 But Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord. 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:46.420 Okay? 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:48.580 The disciples were disciples of the Lord. 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:50.300 The disciples are disciples of Christ. 00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.460 Paul confronted this in 1 Corinthians 1. 00:25:54.100 --> 00:25:54.340 Okay? 00:25:54.720 --> 00:25:59.520 There's a little bit of, a little quarreling among the brothers, so to speak. 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.400 And in verse 12, it says, 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:04.619 One of you says, I follow Paul. 00:26:05.019 --> 00:26:06.440 One says, I follow Apollos. 00:26:06.460 --> 00:26:07.619 Or I follow Cephas. 00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:12.220 Or, the really spiritual ones, I follow Christ. 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:14.039 I'm not a man follower. 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.599 I don't follow Paul and Cephas and Apollos. 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:18.200 I follow Christ. 00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:18.579 Yeah. 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:19.660 We're the Christ followers. 00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:22.400 And he says, 00:26:22.519 --> 00:26:23.440 Is Christ divided? 00:26:23.539 --> 00:26:25.660 Was Paul crucified for you? 00:26:26.560 --> 00:26:27.040 Okay? 00:26:28.040 --> 00:26:30.200 Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? 00:26:30.860 --> 00:26:32.360 So his whole point is, 00:26:32.900 --> 00:26:35.380 It's not about becoming disciples of Paul. 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.800 You don't get baptized in the name of Paul. 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:39.860 Paul wasn't crucified for you. 00:26:40.220 --> 00:26:41.920 Jesus was crucified for you. 00:26:42.300 --> 00:26:43.480 You're discipled in his, 00:26:43.820 --> 00:26:46.320 I mean, you're baptized in his name. 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:47.180 Okay? 00:26:47.420 --> 00:26:49.019 But these guys were wanting to separate 00:26:49.019 --> 00:26:50.080 and saying, 00:26:50.180 --> 00:26:51.420 Well, I'm a disciple of this person. 00:26:51.500 --> 00:26:52.480 I'm a disciple of this person. 00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:54.320 Where they should have been uniting in that 00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:55.799 we're all disciples of the Lord. 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:57.919 We're disciples of the Lord. 00:26:58.439 --> 00:27:00.299 And that's where I think things can get a little off. 00:27:00.359 --> 00:27:01.159 You see that also 00:27:01.159 --> 00:27:03.579 in chapter 3 of 1 Corinthians. 00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:04.859 He brings this up again. 00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:05.319 He says, 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:06.460 When one says, 00:27:06.639 --> 00:27:07.339 I follow Paul, 00:27:07.419 --> 00:27:07.740 and another, 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:08.879 I follow Apollos, 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:10.619 are you not merely being human? 00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:11.359 And he says, 00:27:11.399 --> 00:27:12.359 What then is Apollos? 00:27:12.379 --> 00:27:13.099 What is Paul? 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:15.299 Servants through whom you believed, 00:27:15.599 --> 00:27:16.879 as the Lord assigned to each. 00:27:16.879 --> 00:27:17.720 I planted, 00:27:17.939 --> 00:27:18.879 Apollos watered, 00:27:18.919 --> 00:27:19.259 but 00:27:19.259 --> 00:27:20.960 God gave the growth. 00:27:21.439 --> 00:27:21.619 Okay? 00:27:21.619 --> 00:27:23.639 So neither he who plants, 00:27:23.739 --> 00:27:24.639 nor he who waters is anything, 00:27:24.739 --> 00:27:26.739 but only God who gives the growth. 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:27.539 Okay? 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:29.699 So I think he's making this point here 00:27:29.699 --> 00:27:30.519 that 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.979 don't be associating with these particular people. 00:27:34.059 --> 00:27:35.719 You don't make disciples of yourselves. 00:27:36.059 --> 00:27:37.819 You're to make disciples of Christ. 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.239 And I think the danger in making disciples 00:27:40.239 --> 00:27:41.779 of ourselves 00:27:41.779 --> 00:27:43.979 is we end up drawing people to ourselves. 00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:46.059 Acts chapter 20, 00:27:46.179 --> 00:27:47.179 Paul warned of this. 00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:48.779 When he was talking to the Ephesian elders, 00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:51.139 his last kind of address to the Ephesian elders, 00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.440 this quintessential, 00:27:53.559 --> 00:27:53.819 like, 00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.099 exhortation to elders. 00:27:56.279 --> 00:27:56.819 It's awesome. 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:57.940 Acts chapter 20. 00:27:58.899 --> 00:27:59.859 Towards the end of it, 00:27:59.920 --> 00:28:00.779 in verse 29, 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:02.059 he says that, 00:28:02.139 --> 00:28:03.339 I know that after my departure, 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:05.220 fierce wolves will come in among you, 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:06.740 not sparing the flock. 00:28:07.099 --> 00:28:08.139 And from among you, 00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:09.519 your own selves, 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:11.279 from among your own selves, 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:14.039 will arise men speaking twisted things, 00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:17.619 to draw away the disciples after them. 00:28:17.619 --> 00:28:18.979 Okay? 00:28:19.339 --> 00:28:21.279 To draw away the disciples after them. 00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.079 And that's the danger in thinking that, 00:28:25.199 --> 00:28:27.159 oh, I'm supposed to make my disciples. 00:28:27.359 --> 00:28:29.119 No, you make Christ disciples. 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:31.239 And when you make disciples of you, 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.219 they end up being drawn after you. 00:28:33.779 --> 00:28:36.159 And they can end up looking a little bit more like you 00:28:36.159 --> 00:28:36.679 than like Jesus. 00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:38.159 Even though you look like Jesus, 00:28:38.879 --> 00:28:40.659 you want to always be pointing them to Jesus. 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:41.659 Yes, 00:28:41.939 --> 00:28:44.000 different people are going to have influence over people, 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.679 but they should be influencing them to Jesus. 00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:47.320 Okay? 00:28:47.840 --> 00:28:49.420 Making disciples of Jesus. 00:28:49.600 --> 00:28:50.620 Disciples of the Lord, 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:52.720 as it says in Acts chapter 9, 00:28:53.140 --> 00:28:54.500 verse 1. 00:28:55.420 --> 00:28:57.080 In Matthew chapter 23, 00:28:57.720 --> 00:28:59.620 Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees. 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:00.000 So again, 00:29:00.080 --> 00:29:02.779 they had these disciples that were their disciples. 00:29:03.620 --> 00:29:05.700 And Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:09.180 the scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat, 00:29:09.840 --> 00:29:12.160 so do and observe what they tell you. 00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:12.640 Okay? 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:14.340 That word observe there, 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.160 that's the exact same Greek word that you saw in Matthew chapter 28, 00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:19.180 when it says, 00:29:19.660 --> 00:29:23.360 teaching them to observe all that I've commanded you. 00:29:23.600 --> 00:29:24.620 So same concept, 00:29:24.800 --> 00:29:25.600 same thing there. 00:29:25.660 --> 00:29:25.960 He's saying, 00:29:26.040 --> 00:29:26.180 hey, 00:29:26.820 --> 00:29:28.220 observe what they're telling you to do. 00:29:28.320 --> 00:29:29.120 Obey what they're telling you to do, 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:31.060 because they're telling you to do what the Bible says, 00:29:31.560 --> 00:29:31.860 but 00:29:31.860 --> 00:29:34.019 not the works they do. 00:29:34.680 --> 00:29:35.640 Not the works they do. 00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:36.280 For they preach, 00:29:36.380 --> 00:29:37.620 but they do not practice. 00:29:38.620 --> 00:29:39.720 They tie up heavy burdens, 00:29:39.820 --> 00:29:40.400 hard to bear, 00:29:40.560 --> 00:29:41.820 and lay them on people's shoulders, 00:29:42.180 --> 00:29:46.540 but they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger. 00:29:46.620 --> 00:29:48.880 They do all their deeds to be seen by others. 00:29:49.860 --> 00:29:51.400 For they make their phylacteries broad, 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:52.300 and their fringes long, 00:29:52.340 --> 00:29:54.300 and they love the place of honor at feasts, 00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:56.420 and the best seats in the synagogues, 00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.160 and greetings in the marketplaces, 00:29:58.280 --> 00:30:00.800 and being called rabbi by others. 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:01.900 Okay? 00:30:01.900 --> 00:30:02.700 This is, 00:30:02.860 --> 00:30:05.980 I think sometimes what can even happen in discipleship, 00:30:06.120 --> 00:30:08.120 where people are drawing people to themselves, 00:30:08.300 --> 00:30:11.360 is they want people to know how many disciples they have, 00:30:11.420 --> 00:30:12.780 and how well I'm doing that, 00:30:12.820 --> 00:30:13.120 and it's like, 00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:14.140 how many disciples do you have? 00:30:14.220 --> 00:30:15.560 Who are you discipling? 00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:17.340 And it just ends up, 00:30:17.380 --> 00:30:17.540 well, 00:30:17.900 --> 00:30:18.759 I'm doing this. 00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:20.300 Do you see how I'm doing this? 00:30:20.320 --> 00:30:21.480 It becomes this stature, 00:30:21.840 --> 00:30:24.600 becomes this kind of drawing attention to oneself, 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:26.519 kind of like the fact that people 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:28.420 maybe call them pastor, 00:30:28.720 --> 00:30:29.400 or call them, 00:30:29.820 --> 00:30:30.000 you know, 00:30:30.060 --> 00:30:31.200 whatever they might call them, 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:31.980 you know, 00:30:32.039 --> 00:30:32.640 and he says, 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:35.299 these people like being called rabbi by others. 00:30:36.340 --> 00:30:36.740 And then he says, 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.160 but you are not to be called rabbi, 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.120 for you have one teacher, 00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:41.600 and you are all brothers, 00:30:42.059 --> 00:30:44.140 and call no man your father on earth, 00:30:44.180 --> 00:30:45.440 for you have one father, 00:30:46.059 --> 00:30:47.000 who is in heaven. 00:30:47.299 --> 00:30:48.200 And then in verse 10 he says, 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.380 neither be called instructors, 00:30:49.779 --> 00:30:51.080 for you have one instructor, 00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:51.819 the Christ. 00:30:52.380 --> 00:30:54.400 The greatest among you shall be your servant. 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:55.480 Okay? 00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:57.180 Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, 00:30:57.580 --> 00:30:59.380 whoever humbles himself will be exalted. 00:30:59.380 --> 00:31:00.580 You might say, 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:02.380 well does this mean we can't call anyone teacher, 00:31:02.520 --> 00:31:02.920 or father, 00:31:03.040 --> 00:31:03.500 or Christ? 00:31:03.860 --> 00:31:04.020 I mean, 00:31:04.060 --> 00:31:05.340 aren't there other parts of scripture? 00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:05.920 Again, 00:31:05.980 --> 00:31:08.160 let's interpret scripture with scripture. 00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:10.720 Didn't Paul say in 1 Corinthians 4, 00:31:10.800 --> 00:31:11.220 15, 00:31:11.620 --> 00:31:13.740 that you have many instructors in Christ? 00:31:13.820 --> 00:31:17.080 Some translations say you have 10,000 instructors in Christ. 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:18.240 I thought he just said, 00:31:18.340 --> 00:31:19.960 you only have one instructor, 00:31:20.700 --> 00:31:21.060 Christ. 00:31:21.600 --> 00:31:22.060 And then he said, 00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:22.740 you have, 00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:23.440 but he goes, 00:31:23.520 --> 00:31:24.480 but you don't have many fathers. 00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:25.360 And then Paul said, 00:31:25.420 --> 00:31:26.360 I became your father. 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:27.599 I thought he says here, 00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:30.099 you don't call anyone father because you have one father. 00:31:30.700 --> 00:31:31.000 Well, 00:31:31.059 --> 00:31:32.259 why is Paul saying that then? 00:31:32.860 --> 00:31:35.940 So let's take it in context and interpret scripture with scripture. 00:31:36.660 --> 00:31:36.839 Okay? 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:37.880 I don't think he's, 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.839 he's clearly not saying you can't ever do this, 00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:43.039 but in the context that he's talking here, 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:43.880 he's saying, 00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.079 don't do this in the sense where you're, 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:49.660 you're gravitating more towards people as a, 00:31:49.660 --> 00:31:50.940 as a father rather than God, 00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:51.400 the father, 00:31:51.620 --> 00:31:54.940 because any person who's a father to you is supposed to reflect the father, 00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:57.519 not draw attention to himself as being a father. 00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:59.220 Anyone who's a teacher, 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:00.120 you know, 00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:03.019 don't be so enamored with the fact that he's a teacher, 00:32:03.539 --> 00:32:03.900 um, 00:32:04.140 --> 00:32:04.960 or an instructor, 00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:05.519 uh, 00:32:05.620 --> 00:32:05.920 that, 00:32:05.980 --> 00:32:08.880 that he's a teacher and you're really just hung up on his teaching. 00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:12.380 Like realize that it's ultimately God who is our teacher. 00:32:12.380 --> 00:32:13.840 You really only have one teacher. 00:32:13.840 --> 00:32:16.900 And these people are all just teaching you the things that God has already 00:32:16.900 --> 00:32:17.340 taught. 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:18.960 They're not coming up with anything new. 00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.200 And although they might be a father to you, 00:32:22.220 --> 00:32:24.340 and you can even say this person's like a father to me, 00:32:24.660 --> 00:32:26.559 you're not ultimately obsessed with them. 00:32:26.620 --> 00:32:28.140 You're obsessed with the one they're pointing to. 00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:29.539 You're obsessed with the one, 00:32:29.840 --> 00:32:30.539 uh, 00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:31.039 the, 00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:31.360 the, 00:32:31.360 --> 00:32:33.220 the God who's behind all this. 00:32:33.779 --> 00:32:34.200 Right. 00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.220 And so I think that's an important thing to grasp when it comes to 00:32:38.220 --> 00:32:38.980 discipleship, 00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:41.340 but it begs the question then, 00:32:41.340 --> 00:32:43.640 and here's really a very important question. 00:32:43.940 --> 00:32:45.059 How are disciples made? 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.880 And this is where a lot of times people disagree or there's different 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:49.080 arguments or, 00:32:49.140 --> 00:32:49.620 you know, 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:50.340 conversations. 00:32:51.180 --> 00:32:51.580 And, 00:32:51.620 --> 00:32:51.900 um, 00:32:52.080 --> 00:32:52.460 again, 00:32:52.560 --> 00:32:54.160 we got to go back to the scripture. 00:32:54.380 --> 00:32:55.720 So first and foremost, 00:32:56.100 --> 00:32:58.720 let's look at the 10,000 foot view and then we'll go to more of a 00:32:58.720 --> 00:32:59.300 detailed view. 00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:01.760 So the 10,000 foot view in Matthew 28, 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.280 we see two ways that you make disciples, 00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:06.900 baptizing them and teaching them to obey. 00:33:07.380 --> 00:33:07.740 Okay. 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:09.240 So baptism and teaching, 00:33:09.339 --> 00:33:11.000 you get them saved and you teach them to obey. 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:13.440 I've, 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.740 I've heard a lot of way more complicated explanations of discipleship and I 00:33:17.740 --> 00:33:19.380 just don't know where they're getting it from. 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:20.720 Okay. 00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.559 I think it should be that simple. 00:33:22.819 --> 00:33:26.559 You make disciples by preaching the gospel to them. 00:33:26.660 --> 00:33:27.120 They believe, 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:29.460 and then you teach them to obey what Jesus commanded. 00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:30.700 That's how you make disciples. 00:33:31.180 --> 00:33:32.279 They become a Christian. 00:33:32.460 --> 00:33:34.100 Then you teach them how to be a Christian. 00:33:34.660 --> 00:33:35.059 Okay. 00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:38.019 So they become a disciple and you teach them how to be a disciple. 00:33:38.700 --> 00:33:39.180 All right. 00:33:39.180 --> 00:33:40.660 That's the 10,000 foot view. 00:33:41.100 --> 00:33:41.839 Acts 14, 00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:42.940 21 to 22. 00:33:44.019 --> 00:33:44.880 Paul's doing this. 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:45.320 He says, 00:33:46.080 --> 00:33:50.720 when they had preached the gospel to that city and had made many disciples, 00:33:51.260 --> 00:33:54.080 they returned to Lystra and Iconium and Antioch, 00:33:54.500 --> 00:33:56.300 strengthening the souls of the disciples, 00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.040 encouraging them to continue in the faith and saying that through many 00:34:00.040 --> 00:34:00.620 tribulations, 00:34:00.620 --> 00:34:02.240 we must enter the kingdom of God. 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.240 So they first made the disciples by preaching the gospel to them. 00:34:06.560 --> 00:34:09.860 And then they continue to make them into disciples by strengthening them and 00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:14.579 encouraging them in the things of discipleship and the things that are 00:34:14.579 --> 00:34:16.239 commanded by God in the scriptures. 00:34:16.920 --> 00:34:17.059 Okay. 00:34:17.340 --> 00:34:18.679 That's a 10,000 foot view. 00:34:18.759 --> 00:34:21.940 And I really think we should think of it that simply. 00:34:22.380 --> 00:34:26.179 And I think that sometimes overcomplicating it gets us in the weeds. 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:27.000 That, 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:29.679 that should be kind of the 10,000 foot simplistic view. 00:34:29.900 --> 00:34:30.299 Now, 00:34:30.340 --> 00:34:31.539 if we get more into the detail, 00:34:31.659 --> 00:34:33.019 and I'm not saying don't get in the weeds, 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:34.199 meaning don't talk about details. 00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:35.519 We need to talk about details. 00:34:35.799 --> 00:34:38.880 But if you talk about the details and forget the 10,000 foot view, 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:40.719 that's when I think we get off, 00:34:41.059 --> 00:34:42.860 like start from there and drill down. 00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:44.139 Don't start from, 00:34:44.139 --> 00:34:48.259 down here and drill up because then you might end up at a different destination. 00:34:48.819 --> 00:34:48.980 Okay. 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:51.559 So start with the great commission in Matthew 28, 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:55.059 and then drill down into it and drill down into the rest of the scriptures. 00:34:55.819 --> 00:34:57.779 So if we drill down into the rest, 00:34:58.699 --> 00:34:59.920 in the more of a detailed view, 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.019 there's a few things that emerge throughout the scriptures that I want to point 00:35:03.019 --> 00:35:03.299 out. 00:35:03.759 --> 00:35:03.900 Okay. 00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.940 First one substance. 00:35:06.980 --> 00:35:08.639 It's the man and the message, 00:35:08.779 --> 00:35:09.779 not just the message, 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:10.819 but the man as well. 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:11.239 Okay. 00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:12.179 In other words, 00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:13.339 it takes one to make one. 00:35:13.719 --> 00:35:15.319 If you're going to be a disciple maker, 00:35:15.619 --> 00:35:17.039 you need to first be a disciple. 00:35:17.799 --> 00:35:17.939 Okay. 00:35:18.219 --> 00:35:21.159 And sometimes the problem with making disciples is the guy's not even a Christian 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:22.159 who's trying to make disciples, 00:35:22.399 --> 00:35:24.099 or he's not a very good one. 00:35:24.379 --> 00:35:24.619 You know, 00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:25.000 he's not, 00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:25.899 he's, 00:35:25.899 --> 00:35:26.239 he's, 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:26.719 he's, 00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:27.739 he's really weak, 00:35:27.819 --> 00:35:28.399 really struggling. 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:29.039 And so it's like, 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.359 that doesn't mean a weak Christian can't make a disciple, 00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.079 but we want to be effective disciple makers. 00:35:34.820 --> 00:35:37.820 Those seven aspects of discipleship should be present. 00:35:37.940 --> 00:35:38.720 They should be obvious. 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:40.260 We should be able to see those things. 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:41.180 Okay. 00:35:41.380 --> 00:35:42.880 It takes one to make one. 00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:47.400 Do you have the seven marks of discipleship that Jesus gave? 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:48.920 If we don't, 00:35:49.099 --> 00:35:49.320 well, 00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:50.480 let's start there, 00:35:50.640 --> 00:35:50.920 right? 00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:52.160 Let's start there first. 00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:54.559 So let's start with the man, 00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:56.700 but let's also have the right message. 00:35:56.700 --> 00:35:58.160 And really when it comes to disciples, 00:35:58.260 --> 00:36:00.840 you're teaching them to obey all that Jesus commanded. 00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.800 So I think you have to do Colossians 3, 00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:04.320 16, 00:36:04.700 --> 00:36:06.660 let the word of Christ dwell in you richly. 00:36:06.940 --> 00:36:08.380 If you're going to be a good disciple maker, 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:10.440 you got to be able to teach what the Bible says. 00:36:11.120 --> 00:36:12.480 Like read the Bible, 00:36:12.620 --> 00:36:13.140 teach the Bible, 00:36:13.260 --> 00:36:13.820 know the Bible, 00:36:14.059 --> 00:36:14.640 share the Bible, 00:36:14.740 --> 00:36:16.900 like get it into you and then give it out. 00:36:17.300 --> 00:36:18.220 And you know, 00:36:18.260 --> 00:36:18.420 you, 00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:20.059 you get the Bible into you and then you notice, 00:36:20.180 --> 00:36:20.320 oh, 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.840 they're not doing what the Bible said. 00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:23.240 I'm going to teach them. 00:36:23.860 --> 00:36:24.220 Right. 00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:26.280 That sounds overly simplistic, 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:28.300 but that's really what discipleship is. 00:36:28.460 --> 00:36:30.800 Like I'm reading things in the scripture that I'm not, 00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:31.940 seeing in this other person, 00:36:32.059 --> 00:36:33.720 I'm going to teach them how to obey. 00:36:34.620 --> 00:36:35.019 Okay. 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:40.000 Another aspect of the drill down view of discipleship, 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:41.559 the concept of family. 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:42.180 Okay. 00:36:42.179 --> 00:36:45.159 And it's natural and spiritual family. 00:36:45.619 --> 00:36:46.059 Okay. 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:47.460 So the natural first, 00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:48.819 well, 00:36:48.859 --> 00:36:50.199 you start with your own household. 00:36:50.659 --> 00:36:51.079 Okay. 00:36:52.059 --> 00:36:53.460 The Bible talks about, 00:36:53.539 --> 00:36:54.019 you know, 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:55.159 how can you take care of the church? 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:56.639 You can't take care of your own household. 00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:58.480 So start from there. 00:36:58.799 --> 00:36:59.539 You learn, 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.059 you learn by that. 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:02.799 And that, 00:37:02.860 --> 00:37:03.019 that, 00:37:03.019 --> 00:37:03.039 that, 00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.480 that's like a grounds for, 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:05.340 um, 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:09.820 that's a grounds for, 00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:10.340 uh, 00:37:10.619 --> 00:37:12.739 the spiritual family is first the natural family. 00:37:13.019 --> 00:37:14.380 And so start there, 00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:15.980 make disciples of your own kids. 00:37:15.980 --> 00:37:16.639 If you have them, 00:37:16.659 --> 00:37:17.340 if you don't have kids, 00:37:17.340 --> 00:37:17.579 well, 00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:20.340 then go make disciples of other people. 00:37:20.340 --> 00:37:20.639 Right. 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:21.759 But we, 00:37:21.759 --> 00:37:22.699 we start in that. 00:37:22.820 --> 00:37:23.099 If you got, 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:23.820 people are just like, 00:37:23.860 --> 00:37:24.039 well, 00:37:24.139 --> 00:37:25.719 I'm just all about making disciples, 00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:26.460 but I haven't, 00:37:26.579 --> 00:37:28.719 I don't really care about making disciples of my own kids. 00:37:28.719 --> 00:37:29.079 It's like, 00:37:29.379 --> 00:37:29.719 hello, 00:37:30.500 --> 00:37:31.719 there's something wrong here. 00:37:32.419 --> 00:37:35.299 I don't know if you quite understand discipleship. 00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:35.859 Yeah, 00:37:35.859 --> 00:37:37.279 but I got this parachurch ministry. 00:37:37.399 --> 00:37:43.239 I'm a missionary and I've been doing this for many years and all your kids hate God and they don't want to have anything to do with God. 00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:44.859 There's a disconnect here. 00:37:44.980 --> 00:37:46.939 Like something's not right here. 00:37:46.939 --> 00:37:50.439 I don't think you understand how to make disciples here. 00:37:51.099 --> 00:37:51.299 Okay. 00:37:51.799 --> 00:37:54.379 So start in your household first, 00:37:54.379 --> 00:37:57.939 but there is an aspect of spiritual parenting. 00:37:57.940 --> 00:37:59.980 Parenting in discipleship. 00:38:00.059 --> 00:38:02.139 Like I would say mature discipleship, 00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:03.300 mature, 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.800 mature disciple making looks like parenting. 00:38:07.159 --> 00:38:07.639 Okay. 00:38:08.179 --> 00:38:08.619 Fathers, 00:38:08.780 --> 00:38:08.980 mothers, 00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:09.280 sons, 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:09.519 daughters. 00:38:09.619 --> 00:38:10.579 That's why you have the language, 00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.240 even in the scriptures where Paul says to Timothy, 00:38:13.340 --> 00:38:13.980 my son, 00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:14.820 right? 00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:15.539 Onesimus, 00:38:15.619 --> 00:38:16.099 my son, 00:38:16.420 --> 00:38:16.720 Titus, 00:38:16.820 --> 00:38:17.300 my son, 00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:18.059 Mark, 00:38:18.260 --> 00:38:18.539 uh, 00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:18.740 or, 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:18.940 uh, 00:38:18.940 --> 00:38:20.119 Paul refers to Mark. 00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:20.500 I'm sorry. 00:38:21.019 --> 00:38:23.860 Peter refers to Mark as his true son in the faith. 00:38:24.019 --> 00:38:25.740 You have this familial language. 00:38:26.099 --> 00:38:26.760 Paul says, 00:38:26.840 --> 00:38:27.500 first Corinthians four, 00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:28.019 15. 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:29.320 You have many instructors, 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:30.539 but I became your father. 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:31.460 Okay. 00:38:31.780 --> 00:38:33.440 Treat older men as fathers, 00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.639 younger or older women as mothers, 00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:37.239 younger women as sisters, 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:38.420 younger men as brothers. 00:38:38.739 --> 00:38:39.940 First Timothy five. 00:38:40.300 --> 00:38:40.519 Okay. 00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:41.559 So you have this familial language, 00:38:41.559 --> 00:38:44.599 but I would say everyone can make disciples, 00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.639 but not everyone can be a spiritual parent. 00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:48.480 Okay. 00:38:48.699 --> 00:38:50.699 That's an important distinction to make. 00:38:50.980 --> 00:38:51.440 Right. 00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:52.280 Cause, 00:38:52.780 --> 00:38:53.219 uh, 00:38:53.420 --> 00:38:53.820 you know, 00:38:53.820 --> 00:38:56.760 you got two people kind of around the same age or something. 00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:58.100 It's like, 00:38:58.260 --> 00:38:58.539 Hey man, 00:38:58.559 --> 00:38:59.880 I'm going to be your spiritual father. 00:39:00.120 --> 00:39:00.580 It's like, 00:39:00.660 --> 00:39:00.900 bro, 00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:01.980 I don't know about that. 00:39:03.059 --> 00:39:03.539 Uh, 00:39:04.820 --> 00:39:05.220 this, 00:39:05.340 --> 00:39:06.160 this really kind of weird. 00:39:06.160 --> 00:39:08.300 Like we're kind of in the same spot here. 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.260 Now there could be a sense where someone could in some ways, 00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:15.060 almost father someone their same age or even older than them. 00:39:15.560 --> 00:39:16.160 If they, 00:39:16.280 --> 00:39:17.020 if they have, 00:39:17.100 --> 00:39:17.640 uh, 00:39:17.640 --> 00:39:19.140 if they're sourcing them in such a way, 00:39:19.180 --> 00:39:20.500 the word father means source. 00:39:20.500 --> 00:39:21.020 In fact, 00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:24.480 there's a verse in Corinthians where it's even that same word is translated. 00:39:24.680 --> 00:39:28.120 The source of all compassion or the father of all compassion. 00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:29.380 We're talking about God, 00:39:29.900 --> 00:39:31.380 but let's be realistic. 00:39:31.780 --> 00:39:34.800 Not everyone can be a spiritual parent to one another. 00:39:34.960 --> 00:39:38.600 And sometimes you can get really weird in a relationship when someone's trying to be 00:39:38.600 --> 00:39:39.820 your spiritual father and mother. 00:39:39.820 --> 00:39:40.300 And it's like, 00:39:40.740 --> 00:39:40.880 Hey, 00:39:40.940 --> 00:39:41.460 can you know, 00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:44.980 we haven't really developed like a brother brother relationship yet, 00:39:44.980 --> 00:39:47.019 or a sister sister relationship. 00:39:47.420 --> 00:39:49.240 Why all of a sudden you jump into your, 00:39:49.340 --> 00:39:50.360 my spiritual father. 00:39:50.940 --> 00:39:51.420 That's, 00:39:51.580 --> 00:39:52.100 that's weird. 00:39:52.100 --> 00:39:54.100 And it may actually never happen. 00:39:54.620 --> 00:40:00.480 Like we may just be brothers or sisters because we're in the same place or the same age. 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:01.820 Like that's weird. 00:40:02.080 --> 00:40:06.000 And so if you only think of discipleship in a familial context, 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.059 well, 00:40:07.200 --> 00:40:08.760 then you start to get, 00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:09.360 um, 00:40:09.820 --> 00:40:14.100 it starts to look different than I think the Bible wants it to look. 00:40:14.539 --> 00:40:14.740 Now, 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:15.280 if you put it, 00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:18.480 have a category for that being mature discipleship and the fact that yes, 00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.519 ideally we have fathers and mothers in the faith who can, 00:40:23.380 --> 00:40:24.940 by imitation and example, 00:40:25.100 --> 00:40:30.420 be followed in a way that maybe it's not going to be the same at a brother sister level. 00:40:30.700 --> 00:40:31.059 That, 00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:31.240 that, 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:31.480 that, 00:40:31.480 --> 00:40:32.340 that's a huge thing. 00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:33.100 That's important. 00:40:33.099 --> 00:40:34.819 shepherds, 00:40:34.819 --> 00:40:34.019 uh, 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:34.019 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:35.880 shepherds, 00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.179 elders are to be examples to the flock. 00:40:39.500 --> 00:40:39.900 Paul, 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:40.880 when he was speaking, 00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.739 um, 00:40:41.900 --> 00:40:43.039 to younger men, 00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:44.339 he was saying to them, 00:40:44.420 --> 00:40:44.559 Hey, 00:40:44.699 --> 00:40:45.440 imitate me, 00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:46.839 follow me as I follow Christ, 00:40:47.019 --> 00:40:48.239 imitate my way of life. 00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:48.960 Right? 00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.539 So there's a place for that. 00:40:50.900 --> 00:40:52.260 But when you say that that's the, 00:40:52.380 --> 00:40:53.740 that is the only kind of, 00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:55.380 that is discipleship. 00:40:55.460 --> 00:40:57.500 That's the only context for discipleship. 00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.240 That is the definition of discipleship. 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:01.460 We're really missing out. 00:41:01.460 --> 00:41:06.679 And you've just cut off a lot of people from being able to make disciples and you're doing people a disservice. 00:41:06.900 --> 00:41:07.960 It's just not biblical. 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.280 Separate that into mature discipleship. 00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.340 And there is a need for fathers and mothers. 00:41:13.740 --> 00:41:15.199 But if you're not a father or mother, 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:16.940 that doesn't mean you can't disciple. 00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.119 Doesn't mean you can't make disciples. 00:41:19.940 --> 00:41:21.980 You can still teach people to obey Jesus. 00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:25.179 You can still preach the gospel and people get saved. 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:25.940 Any, 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.099 any disciple can make disciples. 00:41:28.099 --> 00:41:32.699 Not any disciple can truly be a real legit father or mother to someone. 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:33.299 Do you see, 00:41:33.339 --> 00:41:34.400 do you see the difference there? 00:41:34.659 --> 00:41:37.659 I think that's a really important distinction. 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:42.079 And I think what ends up happening is questions like, 00:41:42.219 --> 00:41:43.360 who are you discipling? 00:41:43.420 --> 00:41:45.119 Or who has discipled you? 00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:51.940 It ends up making these kind of categories of discipleship that feel really unattainable for, 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:53.099 for someone else, 00:41:53.099 --> 00:41:57.099 because they're kind of more talking about like who fathered you or who mothered you. 00:41:58.099 --> 00:41:59.179 Or they're asked, 00:41:59.259 --> 00:42:00.440 I think a better question would be, 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:00.679 Hey, 00:42:00.819 --> 00:42:02.819 have you had like a father or mother in your life? 00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:04.119 Or who, 00:42:04.279 --> 00:42:07.500 who has helped make you a disciple? 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.619 Who has helped teach you about Jesus? 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:10.639 Okay. 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:12.099 Like I would, 00:42:12.199 --> 00:42:13.559 like if I personally talk to myself, 00:42:13.579 --> 00:42:16.559 I would say I had three spiritual fathers in my life, 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:18.739 but I've been discipled by many. 00:42:19.299 --> 00:42:21.839 I've had many people teach me to obey Jesus. 00:42:22.259 --> 00:42:23.099 People older, 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:23.679 younger. 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:24.500 Okay. 00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:26.619 Now all my spiritual fathers were older than me, 00:42:26.619 --> 00:42:28.000 but the people who have helped make me disciples, 00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:29.940 many of them are younger than me. 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:30.839 I mean, 00:42:30.980 --> 00:42:33.599 many times in this church or at Bellicose, 00:42:33.759 --> 00:42:34.139 like young, 00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:38.299 younger people have challenged me and taught me how to obey Jesus. 00:42:38.940 --> 00:42:40.679 I've learned from people in my life. 00:42:40.779 --> 00:42:41.259 And that's the, 00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.179 the most effective is to be life on life. 00:42:44.219 --> 00:42:45.259 And Jesus modeled that. 00:42:45.500 --> 00:42:47.739 But anything that's teaching you to obey Jesus, 00:42:47.739 --> 00:42:49.739 if I read a book by someone, 00:42:49.900 --> 00:42:52.079 they're helping make me disciple. 00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:53.679 Now I'm not going to say, 00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:54.380 you know, 00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:54.779 so, 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:55.199 you know, 00:42:55.299 --> 00:42:58.159 so-and-so is discipling me. 00:42:58.219 --> 00:42:58.719 It's like, 00:42:58.779 --> 00:42:58.920 well, 00:42:59.059 --> 00:42:59.480 no, 00:42:59.960 --> 00:43:02.000 not in the sense of, 00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:04.619 if you're thinking of it in the sense of like fathering or mothering, 00:43:04.659 --> 00:43:05.699 that's ridiculous. 00:43:06.259 --> 00:43:07.480 But if you're thinking about it in the sense like, 00:43:07.599 --> 00:43:08.400 is this book, 00:43:08.699 --> 00:43:11.799 this person indirectly helping me obey Jesus? 00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:12.519 Yes, 00:43:13.219 --> 00:43:13.699 absolutely. 00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:15.420 Did that sermon help me obey Jesus? 00:43:15.579 --> 00:43:15.799 Yes, 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:17.039 but I don't know them, 00:43:17.139 --> 00:43:18.719 but it still helps. 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:20.759 And that's a form of discipleship. 00:43:20.899 --> 00:43:21.299 Now, 00:43:21.359 --> 00:43:24.719 if people are only getting their discipleship from podcasts and books, 00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:26.619 and there's no context of church, 00:43:26.939 --> 00:43:27.099 well, 00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:28.039 that goes back to, 00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:28.919 you know, 00:43:28.919 --> 00:43:29.679 that you're disciples, 00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:30.119 you can, 00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:33.179 you can see that you're a disciple by your love for one another. 00:43:33.179 --> 00:43:34.799 Like there has to be life on life. 00:43:34.879 --> 00:43:36.139 There has to be that. 00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.879 And Jesus spent a lot of time with, 00:43:37.959 --> 00:43:40.079 with 12 and particularly with three. 00:43:40.839 --> 00:43:41.279 Okay. 00:43:41.779 --> 00:43:42.179 Which, 00:43:42.319 --> 00:43:42.779 uh, 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.019 gets you into another, 00:43:45.019 --> 00:43:45.459 uh, 00:43:45.459 --> 00:43:46.659 kind of detailed view. 00:43:46.919 --> 00:43:48.619 You do it with others. 00:43:49.019 --> 00:43:50.480 Discipleship happens with others. 00:43:50.779 --> 00:43:51.179 Okay. 00:43:51.439 --> 00:43:52.739 Small groups and group groups. 00:43:52.759 --> 00:43:54.980 You always have people that kind of argue this in the church. 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:55.459 No, 00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:55.559 no, 00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:55.659 no. 00:43:55.859 --> 00:43:57.480 Discipleship's only in the small, 00:43:57.579 --> 00:43:58.819 small settings. 00:43:59.219 --> 00:43:59.619 Okay. 00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:00.939 Cause I mean, 00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:01.399 come on, 00:44:01.419 --> 00:44:01.619 man. 00:44:01.699 --> 00:44:03.099 Jesus had 12 disciples. 00:44:03.419 --> 00:44:03.819 Like, 00:44:03.939 --> 00:44:04.759 and then, 00:44:04.799 --> 00:44:05.799 and then you have others just like, 00:44:05.859 --> 00:44:06.000 no, 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:07.679 discipleship is from the pulpit, 00:44:07.739 --> 00:44:07.959 man. 00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:09.000 It's about preaching. 00:44:09.259 --> 00:44:12.439 And those are the churches you go to where the pulpit is almost bigger than the 00:44:12.439 --> 00:44:12.859 stage. 00:44:12.879 --> 00:44:13.599 It's like massive. 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:13.939 Right. 00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:16.000 And that's clearly telling you something. 00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:16.359 Hey, 00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:18.579 this is where discipleship happens. 00:44:18.719 --> 00:44:20.119 Unless you get behind here, 00:44:20.179 --> 00:44:21.959 you ain't doing any disciple making. 00:44:22.099 --> 00:44:22.299 That's, 00:44:22.379 --> 00:44:22.759 that's me. 00:44:22.799 --> 00:44:23.579 And that's my job. 00:44:23.939 --> 00:44:24.179 Okay. 00:44:24.579 --> 00:44:24.939 Well, 00:44:25.500 --> 00:44:26.299 number one, 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:27.879 did Jesus make, 00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:31.299 did he make disciples in small groups or big? 00:44:31.359 --> 00:44:32.059 What's the answer? 00:44:32.059 --> 00:44:33.860 The answer is both. 00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:35.480 The answer is both. 00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:36.099 Well, 00:44:36.099 --> 00:44:36.860 how do I know that? 00:44:37.199 --> 00:44:37.360 Well, 00:44:37.380 --> 00:44:38.320 let me ask you the question. 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:41.179 When Jesus ascended into heaven, 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:43.639 how many disciples did he have? 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:45.360 Did he have 12? 00:44:46.019 --> 00:44:47.320 Or did he have 120? 00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.559 Or maybe even over 500? 00:44:49.980 --> 00:44:51.380 Cause he appeared to 500, 00:44:51.380 --> 00:44:54.160 but we know for sure he had at least 120. 00:44:54.160 --> 00:44:55.559 Cause 120, 00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:56.760 what did he call them? 00:44:57.099 --> 00:44:58.880 Disciples were meeting together. 00:44:59.079 --> 00:44:59.380 Well, 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:00.780 Jesus didn't spend quality, 00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:02.780 small group time with 120. 00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:06.940 How did he end up with 120 when he only spent time with 12? 00:45:08.220 --> 00:45:08.700 Well, 00:45:08.740 --> 00:45:10.019 he did spend time with the others, 00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:11.480 just not the same kind of time, 00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.019 which tells you, 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.599 you make disciples in that smaller context. 00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:18.699 And clearly that was a priority of Jesus's, 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:19.960 which is worth noting, 00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.219 but you also make disciples in the bigger context. 00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:24.880 When he was preaching to the multitudes, 00:45:25.179 --> 00:45:26.719 there's actually phrases in the Bible say, 00:45:26.860 --> 00:45:28.460 multitude of disciples. 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.000 It says crowds of disciples. 00:45:32.619 --> 00:45:34.400 So it was more than the 12. 00:45:35.179 --> 00:45:35.319 Okay. 00:45:35.380 --> 00:45:38.259 And so right now I'm speaking to, 00:45:38.319 --> 00:45:38.719 I don't know, 00:45:38.819 --> 00:45:39.059 20, 00:45:39.139 --> 00:45:40.039 30 people here. 00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:42.519 Most something like that. 00:45:44.259 --> 00:45:44.739 I'm, 00:45:44.900 --> 00:45:46.299 that's a larger group. 00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:48.900 If I speak to hundreds of people somewhere else, 00:45:48.900 --> 00:45:52.179 I'm still making disciples by preaching and teaching. 00:45:52.279 --> 00:45:52.400 Why? 00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.059 Cause I'm teaching and obey what Jesus commanded. 00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:56.159 Now, 00:45:56.219 --> 00:45:57.920 if I only did that while I'm missing out, 00:45:58.039 --> 00:45:59.559 Jesus clearly prioritized the 12. 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.139 So it's gotta be both. 00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:04.579 Some people even go more granular and say, 00:46:05.219 --> 00:46:05.739 well, 00:46:05.779 --> 00:46:05.980 just, 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:07.259 it's only one-on-one. 00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:08.239 Like, 00:46:08.279 --> 00:46:11.960 unless you're discipling one person and one person is discipling you, 00:46:12.139 --> 00:46:13.579 you're not doing discipleship. 00:46:14.179 --> 00:46:18.139 And some people have mistakenly heard me talk about this and think, 00:46:18.259 --> 00:46:20.659 I don't believe in one-on-one discipleship. 00:46:20.860 --> 00:46:21.739 That's not true. 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.159 I meet with people one-on-one all the time, 00:46:24.219 --> 00:46:25.179 every single week. 00:46:25.259 --> 00:46:28.360 There's not a week that goes by where I don't meet with someone one-on-one. 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.000 I clearly believe in that. 00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:36.980 And the reason I believe in that is because there's effective way to teach people how to believe something when you're mean with one-on-one. 00:46:37.219 --> 00:46:41.360 What I don't believe in is one-on-one exclusivity, 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:45.300 where everybody has to have one person they're discipling, 00:46:45.579 --> 00:46:48.139 and everyone has to have one person discipling them. 00:46:48.860 --> 00:46:50.900 There's nothing in the Bible that says that. 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:56.660 So what I'm against is this thing that we must do one-on-one exclusivity when it comes to discipleship, 00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:58.180 because some people teach that. 00:46:58.760 --> 00:46:59.200 And I'm saying, 00:46:59.260 --> 00:46:59.460 no. 00:46:59.820 --> 00:47:00.039 Again, 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:06.099 that's dumbing down the church and thinking that we can't make disciples of each other. 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:11.139 Some of the best contexts of disciple-making that have happened in my life is when I've been in a small group of people, 00:47:11.340 --> 00:47:14.300 and multiple people are helping teach what Jesus commanded. 00:47:14.300 --> 00:47:18.180 I've been so blessed and challenged in those settings multiple times. 00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:24.720 But I've also been really blessed and challenged when one person was pouring into my life in a huge way. 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:30.500 But I've also never had a time in my life where it was only one person who's pouring into my life, 00:47:30.560 --> 00:47:35.940 and I didn't receive from the church and help be made into a better disciple through the church, 00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:39.539 even while one person had more time in my life as a father. 00:47:40.900 --> 00:47:43.920 And I don't understand sometimes why people argue about this. 00:47:44.300 --> 00:47:44.599 It's like, 00:47:44.760 --> 00:47:46.260 why don't we just do both? 00:47:46.340 --> 00:47:46.500 Like, 00:47:46.539 --> 00:47:47.700 they're both really important. 00:47:48.659 --> 00:47:49.619 They're both really important. 00:47:49.700 --> 00:47:50.019 It's just, 00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.059 we shouldn't think this exclusive thing where everybody's got to just have one. 00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:55.159 It's just not in the scriptures. 00:47:56.659 --> 00:47:56.800 Okay, 00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:02.760 another thing we do with this is teaching is obviously a part of it. 00:48:03.099 --> 00:48:03.780 So the question is, 00:48:03.820 --> 00:48:03.880 well, 00:48:03.900 --> 00:48:04.760 is that formal teaching? 00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:05.280 Like I said, 00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:05.780 some people say, 00:48:05.820 --> 00:48:05.900 well, 00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:06.780 it's only behind a pulpit. 00:48:06.780 --> 00:48:08.200 Or is it also informal? 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:09.780 Or is it only informal? 00:48:10.180 --> 00:48:12.840 Is discipleship only in the context of informal teaching, 00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:17.600 never in the form of preaching or reading a book or studying something? 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:18.320 No, 00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:18.800 it's, 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:19.860 it's both. 00:48:20.620 --> 00:48:21.000 Okay. 00:48:21.579 --> 00:48:22.180 There are, 00:48:22.260 --> 00:48:26.200 there are times and places where we should have formal teaching and that helps make people 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:26.839 than disciples. 00:48:27.219 --> 00:48:29.519 But if that's the only place you're getting discipleship, 00:48:29.699 --> 00:48:31.219 you're not doing it the way Jesus did. 00:48:31.279 --> 00:48:32.480 You're not doing it the way Paul did. 00:48:33.219 --> 00:48:34.279 You're missing out. 00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.079 There has to be the Deuteronomy six, 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:37.819 six to seven. 00:48:37.899 --> 00:48:40.779 And these words that I command you today should be in your heart. 00:48:40.879 --> 00:48:43.039 You shall teach them diligently to your children. 00:48:43.439 --> 00:48:45.419 You should talk to them when you sit in your house, 00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:46.879 when you walk by the way, 00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:48.659 when you lie down and when you rise, 00:48:49.460 --> 00:48:53.419 like there should be no limits to when we should help make each other disciples. 00:48:53.420 --> 00:48:54.940 So you get together with someone. 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:55.200 You're like, 00:48:55.260 --> 00:48:55.320 Hey, 00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:56.260 what are you reading the Bible? 00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:57.340 What's God teaching you? 00:48:57.420 --> 00:48:57.559 Like, 00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:57.780 what, 00:48:58.159 --> 00:48:59.180 what are you learning? 00:48:59.599 --> 00:48:59.920 Or, 00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:00.159 Hey, 00:49:00.220 --> 00:49:01.340 this is what I've been learning. 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.000 Or what do you think about this topic? 00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:03.280 Like, 00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:05.780 what do you think about discipleship? 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:07.180 What do you think about drinking? 00:49:07.340 --> 00:49:08.000 Like how much should, 00:49:08.420 --> 00:49:10.079 how do we do drinking as Christians? 00:49:10.180 --> 00:49:10.720 Should we drink? 00:49:10.820 --> 00:49:11.579 How much we drink? 00:49:11.659 --> 00:49:11.800 You know, 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:12.260 what about that? 00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:13.240 Or how do we, 00:49:13.579 --> 00:49:14.559 what about parenting? 00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:16.659 Like there's a lot of different views on parenting. 00:49:16.740 --> 00:49:17.780 What do you believe about gentle parenting? 00:49:17.860 --> 00:49:18.400 What about this? 00:49:18.460 --> 00:49:18.559 Well, 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:19.480 what does the Bible say? 00:49:20.099 --> 00:49:20.360 Or, 00:49:20.500 --> 00:49:20.780 you know, 00:49:20.780 --> 00:49:23.880 this is something that I was really convicted of in the scriptures. 00:49:24.620 --> 00:49:25.600 If you ever read this verse, 00:49:25.680 --> 00:49:25.800 man, 00:49:25.860 --> 00:49:28.140 this verse just like arrested me today. 00:49:28.600 --> 00:49:32.240 And we have these conversations or we have more diligent times where it's like, 00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:32.360 Hey, 00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:32.980 let's get together. 00:49:33.060 --> 00:49:33.960 We're going to study this. 00:49:34.300 --> 00:49:35.080 Let's get together. 00:49:35.160 --> 00:49:35.960 And I'm going to teach this. 00:49:36.060 --> 00:49:36.540 Or it's just, 00:49:36.620 --> 00:49:38.040 as you're going along the way, 00:49:38.460 --> 00:49:39.580 you notice things, 00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:40.300 right? 00:49:40.540 --> 00:49:40.960 While you're, 00:49:41.019 --> 00:49:41.980 while you're doing life, 00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:42.620 you know, 00:49:42.640 --> 00:49:43.060 you just say, 00:49:43.120 --> 00:49:43.360 Hey, 00:49:43.460 --> 00:49:45.440 I noticed that you talked to your kid this way. 00:49:45.519 --> 00:49:45.620 Hey, 00:49:45.640 --> 00:49:46.180 I notice, 00:49:46.179 --> 00:49:50.980 you're kind of like a loner sometimes where you just kind of are more independent. 00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:52.519 And that's not good. 00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:52.739 Like, 00:49:52.799 --> 00:49:52.980 let's, 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:53.359 I want to, 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.099 you could be breaking out against sound judgment. 00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:57.619 You're not really connected with us, 00:49:57.619 --> 00:49:58.319 you know, 00:49:58.319 --> 00:49:59.079 and you're noticing this. 00:49:59.179 --> 00:49:59.339 Hey, 00:49:59.359 --> 00:50:00.699 I noticed that you, 00:50:00.839 --> 00:50:02.599 you talk this way. 00:50:02.659 --> 00:50:02.960 And I'm like, 00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:03.619 maybe, 00:50:03.899 --> 00:50:04.359 you know, 00:50:04.359 --> 00:50:08.519 the Bible talks about controlling your tongue and talks about speech being building up. 00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:10.419 And I'm not sure the way that you're talking, 00:50:10.419 --> 00:50:11.940 if that's a good thing, 00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:16.780 or have you thought about this when you do this and that that's discipleship as well. 00:50:17.240 --> 00:50:17.700 Right. 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:18.360 But it's both. 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:20.300 There's the formal times of discipleship. 00:50:20.539 --> 00:50:23.340 This is what I'm doing right now is an important for discipleship, 00:50:23.420 --> 00:50:27.599 but it's also very important that when I'm going along the way and talking to people, 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:28.280 we, 00:50:28.340 --> 00:50:30.240 we address things as they come up. 00:50:30.780 --> 00:50:31.240 Okay. 00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:35.159 Another important thing in the drill down is open hearts. 00:50:35.460 --> 00:50:35.920 Okay. 00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:39.519 2 Corinthians 6 and 7 talks about opening your heart to people. 00:50:39.519 --> 00:50:42.079 I think realistically opening your homes to people. 00:50:42.179 --> 00:50:43.559 What did they do in the early church? 00:50:43.659 --> 00:50:46.880 They met in the temple courts and in their homes. 00:50:47.059 --> 00:50:47.900 So what is it? 00:50:47.940 --> 00:50:48.519 Is it the big, 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.099 big meeting in the temple courts, 00:50:50.099 --> 00:50:51.659 like on a Sunday gathering, 00:50:51.659 --> 00:50:52.639 or is it in homes? 00:50:52.739 --> 00:50:53.280 It's both. 00:50:53.780 --> 00:50:55.679 Or are you a house church guy or a Sunday morning guy? 00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:56.239 Both. 00:50:56.420 --> 00:50:57.739 Like just everywhere. 00:50:57.960 --> 00:50:58.480 I don't care. 00:50:58.980 --> 00:50:59.380 Home, 00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:00.099 outside, 00:51:00.259 --> 00:51:00.639 inside, 00:51:01.059 --> 00:51:01.539 big group, 00:51:01.619 --> 00:51:02.079 small group. 00:51:02.139 --> 00:51:02.300 Like, 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:03.480 why are we limiting this? 00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:04.619 Okay. 00:51:04.980 --> 00:51:06.079 I want to open my heart. 00:51:06.139 --> 00:51:06.820 I want to open my home. 00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:09.099 I want to open my schedule so that discipleship can happen. 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:12.099 Many times a hindrance to that is if your heart isn't open, 00:51:12.659 --> 00:51:13.940 your home isn't open, 00:51:13.940 --> 00:51:15.579 and your schedule isn't open, 00:51:15.619 --> 00:51:16.400 that isn't going to happen. 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.219 So much discipleship happens over kitchen tables, 00:51:19.619 --> 00:51:20.800 right? 00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:22.619 Or living room couches. 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:24.759 Are we available for that? 00:51:26.420 --> 00:51:27.559 A few more here. 00:51:28.179 --> 00:51:28.500 Jesus, 00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:28.940 he did, 00:51:29.039 --> 00:51:29.619 he taught, 00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:30.599 he modeled, 00:51:31.059 --> 00:51:31.820 he did it together, 00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:32.400 and then he sent. 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:33.860 He would teach and model it for them. 00:51:34.380 --> 00:51:35.840 He would do it together with them, 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:37.480 and then he'd send them off on their, 00:51:37.539 --> 00:51:38.480 on their own to do it. 00:51:38.820 --> 00:51:40.300 You see that pattern of how he did it? 00:51:40.600 --> 00:51:41.420 So that's what we do. 00:51:41.519 --> 00:51:42.079 You teach, 00:51:42.700 --> 00:51:43.300 model it, 00:51:43.780 --> 00:51:44.900 then do it with them. 00:51:45.380 --> 00:51:46.140 And then at some point in time, 00:51:46.160 --> 00:51:47.640 you got to let people do things on their own. 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:49.039 That's the way Jesus did it. 00:51:49.660 --> 00:51:49.920 Right? 00:51:52.100 --> 00:51:53.920 We also have to persevere with people, 00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:54.760 bear with people. 00:51:55.140 --> 00:51:55.820 Sometimes you think, 00:51:55.880 --> 00:51:55.980 oh, 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:56.980 this discipleship's hard. 00:51:57.059 --> 00:51:57.260 Yeah. 00:51:57.820 --> 00:51:58.680 That's why Jesus said, 00:51:58.760 --> 00:51:59.539 bear with one another. 00:51:59.539 --> 00:52:00.160 You have to, 00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:01.620 it's just bear with it. 00:52:02.180 --> 00:52:03.240 It's hard sometimes. 00:52:03.359 --> 00:52:04.239 It's grueling sometimes. 00:52:04.359 --> 00:52:05.339 It's waiting sometimes. 00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:07.439 And it takes time. 00:52:07.899 --> 00:52:09.119 It takes time and patience 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.699 to inherit the promises. 00:52:10.859 --> 00:52:12.199 It takes time to build relationships. 00:52:13.099 --> 00:52:13.379 It's like, 00:52:13.459 --> 00:52:13.539 wow, 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:15.259 we've been doing this church for 10 months, 00:52:15.339 --> 00:52:16.919 and I'm still not really close to people, 00:52:17.059 --> 00:52:17.799 to certain people. 00:52:19.099 --> 00:52:19.500 Yeah. 00:52:20.619 --> 00:52:21.259 Keep going. 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:22.919 Keep going. 00:52:23.739 --> 00:52:23.939 Well, 00:52:23.959 --> 00:52:24.179 I've been, 00:52:24.199 --> 00:52:25.299 I've been reaching out to this person, 00:52:25.379 --> 00:52:25.919 trying to go across, 00:52:25.919 --> 00:52:27.839 trying to get more discipleship avenues there. 00:52:28.239 --> 00:52:29.079 It's just not happening. 00:52:29.399 --> 00:52:29.559 Well, 00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:31.019 you haven't been doing it for very long. 00:52:32.039 --> 00:52:32.699 Keep going. 00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.339 It takes time for people to believe that you love them, 00:52:36.439 --> 00:52:37.319 to trust you, 00:52:37.479 --> 00:52:39.259 to grow in relationship. 00:52:39.819 --> 00:52:40.699 Relationship takes time. 00:52:40.779 --> 00:52:42.439 There's no relationship you have that's good, 00:52:42.539 --> 00:52:43.599 that didn't take time. 00:52:43.919 --> 00:52:44.599 And let's be honest, 00:52:44.659 --> 00:52:45.819 a lot of them take years. 00:52:46.359 --> 00:52:46.939 Do they not? 00:52:50.359 --> 00:52:51.179 In conclusion, 00:52:51.379 --> 00:52:52.279 2 Timothy 4, 00:52:52.339 --> 00:52:52.839 1 to 4, 00:52:52.879 --> 00:52:53.859 to wrap it up in the NIV, 00:52:54.399 --> 00:52:54.939 he says, 00:52:54.939 --> 00:52:56.739 in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, 00:52:56.879 --> 00:52:58.339 who will judge the living and the dead, 00:52:58.839 --> 00:53:00.339 and in view of his appearing in his kingdom, 00:53:00.459 --> 00:53:01.539 I will give you this charge. 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:02.859 Preach the word, 00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:05.859 be prepared in season and out of season. 00:53:06.019 --> 00:53:06.419 Correct, 00:53:06.819 --> 00:53:07.299 rebuke, 00:53:07.379 --> 00:53:11.079 and encourage with great patience and careful instruction. 00:53:11.779 --> 00:53:15.219 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. 00:53:15.819 --> 00:53:16.119 Instead, 00:53:16.259 --> 00:53:17.279 to suit their own desires, 00:53:17.399 --> 00:53:19.459 they will gather around them a great number of teachers 00:53:19.459 --> 00:53:22.019 to say what their itching ears want to hear. 00:53:22.019 --> 00:53:25.599 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:28.940 We got a lot of work cut out for us. 00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.639 There's a lot of people looking to hear what their itching ears want to hear. 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:32.800 What do we got to do? 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:34.480 We got to be prepared in season and out of season. 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:35.139 We got to teach, 00:53:35.300 --> 00:53:35.639 correct, 00:53:35.980 --> 00:53:36.320 rebuke, 00:53:36.400 --> 00:53:36.759 encourage, 00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.040 with great patience and careful instruction. 00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:40.200 In other words, 00:53:40.220 --> 00:53:42.640 we got to make disciples who make disciples. 00:53:43.020 --> 00:53:44.680 And we get to build that into our culture. 00:53:45.160 --> 00:53:48.780 How often would that be if it was just normal that everyone saw that I have, 00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:54.820 everyone has the possibility and the responsibility to make people disciples 00:53:54.820 --> 00:53:58.940 by either bringing them to Christ in the first place through preaching the gospel 00:53:58.940 --> 00:54:01.440 or teaching them to obey everything Jesus commanded. 00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:02.480 We're supposed to do that. 00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:03.160 And ultimately, 00:54:03.300 --> 00:54:06.120 we should all be aiming to become spiritual fathers and mothers, 00:54:06.540 --> 00:54:08.160 examples that people can imitate, 00:54:08.600 --> 00:54:10.340 where we'd have true sons and daughters that, 00:54:10.740 --> 00:54:13.640 where there's just like this heightened level of exchange of the love, 00:54:13.780 --> 00:54:13.920 wisdom, 00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:14.800 and power of God. 00:54:15.060 --> 00:54:17.140 We also need to know that that's not going to happen, 00:54:17.139 --> 00:54:18.319 you know, 00:54:18.359 --> 00:54:19.059 with everybody. 00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:20.879 And for some of us, 00:54:20.900 --> 00:54:23.379 it's not going to happen until we get more mature or we grow older. 00:54:24.259 --> 00:54:26.579 But let's build this into our culture. 00:54:26.759 --> 00:54:28.119 Let's be intentional to say, 00:54:28.539 --> 00:54:28.679 hey, 00:54:28.759 --> 00:54:30.420 do we have a disciple making culture? 00:54:31.039 --> 00:54:35.039 And I'm sure we'll talk about this more and we'll have more discussions on it, 00:54:35.059 --> 00:54:35.920 maybe even some questions, 00:54:36.059 --> 00:54:37.239 maybe even some disagreements. 00:54:37.539 --> 00:54:40.299 But I think it's really important as we're thinking about things to like, 00:54:40.699 --> 00:54:42.920 so into our culture of our church on the front end, 00:54:43.319 --> 00:54:44.960 that disciple making is one of them. 00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:45.339 Amen.