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 Why don't I open us up in prayer first?

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 Father God, I thank you for this day.

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 I thank you for this opportunity for us to think about you and to learn about you, Lord.

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 I ask that you give me clarity of mind and clear speech,

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 and that this would be helpful and edifying to your body.

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 We love you, Lord. In Jesus' name, amen.

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 Okay, so let me start with a lot of preamble.

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 So the preamble is, this is like a really huge subject.

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 And when I was asked to give a class on it, initially I was like, okay, I'll do one tight class about it.

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 And then I realized that's not going to work. I had to do more than one.

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 And then the longer I was reading and looking, there's just no way for me to put everything that I would like to say into a class,

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 unless we want to go all year.

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 And so I had to focus on one specific thing.

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 So I'll talk about what the goal of this class is in a second.

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 But first, I'm Luke Batty.

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 I'm one of the deacons here at church.

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 I'm also what would be called a natural theologian back in the day.

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 And we'll get into that.

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 But this is a little controversial.

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 I don't know if you guys have noticed, but there is sort of a discussion going on in Christian circles.

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 And it has been for a long time.

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 And so what I hope to do in talking about creationism, intelligent design, theistic evolution, all these different topics,

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 is to provide a framework for unity in the body.

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 I feel like a lot of times among Christians,

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 when we want to be having useful, helpful discussions about these topics,

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 you know, sort of like Bilbo hanging out and smoking a pipe and talking to Gandalf.

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 We want to be doing that.

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 But a lot of times it's more like that, right?

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 We're kind of yelling at each other and we're just not connecting.

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 And so that's what I want to do.

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 My goal here was to provide a couple tools to help us to understand each other,

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 all the different positions that are there,

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 and more generally talk about two sort of big picture philosophical positions

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 that carry a lot of weight in this discussion.

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 So with that, let me go into what we're doing today, which is introduction.

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 I know everybody loves introductory classes,

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 but I felt like there really wasn't any way for me to avoid it

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 because to understand a lot of the tension and a lot of the rancor in the debate,

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 we have to really understand how we got where we are right now.

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 So I wanted to give sort of a historical overview of the debate in Christianity,

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 in science, and how science and faith sort of have been together and not together.

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 And then we can go into this specific part of that debate,

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 which is intelligent design and theistic evolution.

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 So I'm going to apologize ahead of time for this PowerPoint.

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 It is probably the most boring PowerPoint I've ever made.

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 But I promise next week it'll probably be as bad.

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 So let's be honest.

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 Okay.

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 So let's start with the rise of the scientific method.

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 Now, believe it or not, the scientific method didn't actually pop out of the Enlightenment

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 after those horrible dark ages.

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 But in fact, actually, the beginnings of the scientific method

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 were actually developed in medieval Christian universities.

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 And the way this developed is actually very interesting

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 because if you go back to antiquity, when thinking about the natural world,

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 especially if we're talking about ancient Greeks, for instance,

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 they would actually do propositional thinking,

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 which meant they would think about first principles

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 and then using reason apply those first principles to nature

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 and say this must be what's going on in nature.

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 Because their view of God and creator, the logos,

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 is reason sort of imprinted on nature.

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 And so you didn't have to go out and look at nature and, you know, observe.

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 You just had to think about it and be like, okay, that's what's going on.

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 And you didn't have to worry about it.

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 But with the rise of Christianity, we had the rise of a free creator,

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 a creator that was personal and that now he had a will.

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 And because God had will, that meant he could have done otherwise.

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 He chose to create things a specific way.

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 And so the only way that we can know what's going on in nature

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 is to actually observe it, to go and look at it and say,

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 this is what must be going on.

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 So empiricism, the view that we can look at nature

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 and over testing and observation,

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 we can learn something about the way that it works,

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 develops from Christian theology of the nature of God as a free person.

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 And the other component of this sort of development

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 is that God is rational and we are made in his image,

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 which means that we can actually,

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 we have reason to believe that we can go into nature

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 and determine what's going on, that we can understand it.

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 I mean, it seems obvious to us now,

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 but before Christianity, there was no feeling

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 that nature could be intelligible to human beings, right?

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 So with these two pillars,

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 we have the will of God and we have intelligibility,

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 we can now, as some of the early natural theologians,

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 which was what they called scientists back in the day.

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 So I'm a scientist, if that wasn't clear from earlier on.

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 These natural theologians sought to think God's thoughts after him

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 and by learning about how God created the world

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 to then glorify him and praise him for his amazing works,

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 which is the impetus for a lot of the early scientific breakthroughs.

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 But over time, this was formalized and systematized,

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 institutionalized throughout the 17th and 19th century.

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 Earlier, you know, as the effort of science sort of progressed,

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 we go from sort of medieval university professors

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 sort of thinking about it.

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 It wasn't a huge, it wasn't like it exploded, right?

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 But it started there.

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 And over time, you had a growth of sort of independent scientists

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 sort of doing their own thing, like,

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 oh, hey, I was, you know, out in my mansion

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 and I was looking in the backyard and I was like,

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 hey, what about these peas, you know?

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 So that moved on.

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 And then over time, it became,

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 there started to become philosophy of science

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 where people were thinking about how we do science,

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 what's best practices, what is the scientific method,

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 how can we best challenge hypotheses

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 and bring up evidence, et cetera.

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 And in the second half of the 19th century,

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 science over time gets continuously narrowed

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 and narrowed and narrowed down in its scope.

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 So in, oh, hold on, I skipped a thing.

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 But at the end of the 19th century,

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 that's when we have the narrowing of science

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 into sort of the epistemological method

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 outside of the supernatural, right?

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 So science now becomes this method

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 to determine things outside of theology and philosophy.

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 This is where we go out and we see what's in nature

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 and we don't, we try not to bring any philosophy

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 or theology into it.

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 And this is actually when this sort of assumption,

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 and it's informal,

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 it's not actually ever been formally inserted

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 into the scientific method,

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 but methodological naturalism is now assumed, right?

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 And what methodological naturalism is,

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 is the assumption that everything that we look at in nature

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 has a natural explanation, right?

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 So we do not appeal to agents.

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 We do not appeal to God.

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 We just say, this must have happened because of this.

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 And it's an endless sort of chain of causation.

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 And this is methodological naturalism.

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 Now, at the same time, throughout this period,

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 that science is becoming institutionalized,

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 we also have the rise of a variety of new sort of disciplines

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 and new discoveries from these disciplines.

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 So we have advances in geology, paleontology, biology.

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 And the interesting thing about these advances is that

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 while starting from a Christian foundation

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 of understanding how we can understand nature,

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 we started to discover things about nature

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 that didn't really gel easily

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 with the contemporary Christian worldview.

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 So, for instance, geology was moving away

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 from what's called catastrophism

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 and towards uniformitarianism.

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 Basically, the idea that most of the geological formations

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 that we see today

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 are the result of the same sort of forces

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 that we see every day on the street,

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 but over long periods of time.

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 So instead of there being catastrophic events

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 that produce these geological formations,

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 it's actually little tiny things

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 over a long period of time.

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 And so this implicated that the Earth

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 seemed to be very old.

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 Also, paleontology started to unearth

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 some pretty crazy things, you know?

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 Dinosaurs were showing up, you know?

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 Like, what are these?

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 We don't have these anymore.

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 You know, all these strange

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 and wonderful different created...

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 Well, I guess I'm inserting

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 my own worldview there, right?

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 But all these interesting new body plans

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 and biological systems

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 and new sort of creatures

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 we had never seen before

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 are being discovered,

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 their bones are being discovered

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 out of the Earth.

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 And so this sort of shakes the idea

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 that the biological makeup of the Earth

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 right now is permanent.

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 Like, this is how it's always been.

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 Apparently, this isn't always how it's been.

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 There were things around

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 that aren't around anymore.

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 And then finally, most famously,

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 Charles Darwin and Alfred Russell Wallace

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 were discovering mechanisms of adaptation

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 and natural selection,

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 which, in biology,

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 which now posited the possibility

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 that there were a continuum of animal forms

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 just slowly morphing one into the other.

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 And so, as you can see,

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 these new discoveries are sort of...

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 They're poking.

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 They're not very comfortable

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 with the traditional Christian theistic worldview.

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 Suddenly, things are starting

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 to look a little dissonant.

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 And this is actually when we get

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 the appearance of a new worldview.

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 And this new worldview is scientific materialism.

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 So, cumulatively,

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 all these different research areas

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 started to allow the creation

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 of a secular worldview.

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 Right?

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 So now we have a universe that is...

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 an Earth that is very old.

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 We have creatures that have been dying.

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 We have this new theory

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 that allows us to explain

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 how one animal can get into another animal

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 in principle.

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 And so this becomes scientific materialism.

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 Now, what scientific materialism is

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 is basically it marries

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 two different philosophical positions.

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 The first one is familiar to all of us,

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 which is materialism.

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 What materialism says is that

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 the world, the physical world,

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 is all that there is.

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 Right?

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 There is nothing but atoms

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 and other kinds of atoms.

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 And there's just a whole bunch

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 of different atoms

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 and different configurations.

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 And that's what we call

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 the physical world.

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 And that's all there is.

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 Now, this was actually married

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 to another view called scientism.

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 And so what scientism is

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 is that science alone...

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 Now, this is the hard version.

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 There actually is a soft version,

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 but I won't get into that

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 unless somebody wants

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 to ask a question about that,

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 which, by the way,

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 if you have any questions at all

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 about anything,

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 even in the middle of the class,

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 please raise your hand.

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 I wanted this to be clear.

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 But scientism posits

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 that the scientific method alone,

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 especially in the hard sciences,

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 is capable of explaining truth.

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 The only way to get at truth,

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 the only way to get

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 at verifiable information,

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 knowledge,

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 is through the scientific method.

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 Now, you can see how these both

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 sort of reinforce each other.

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 Right?

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 Science, as I had said before,

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 over the course of this period,

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 had continuously narrowed

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 and narrowed and narrowed

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 into the point where we have

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 this assumption

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 of methodological naturalism,

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 which says,

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 we're not going to appeal

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 to outside agents.

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 We're not going to appeal

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 to God for anything.

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 We're going to assume,

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 for the sake of argument,

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 let's say,

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 in the case of Francis Bacon,

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 he posited methodological naturalism

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 as a thought exercise.

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 Right?

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 I'm going to assume

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 that there's nothing supernatural

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 going on here.

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 There's no design going on here.

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 I'm just going to look at,

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 well, I guess he wouldn't say

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 there's no design,

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 but I'm going to assume

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 that a natural process

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 is going on.

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 So that,

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 coupled with this new view

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 that the material world

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 is all there is,

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 you can see that

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 science is our method

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 of getting verifiable information

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 from the natural world.

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 and if the natural world

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 is the only thing

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 that exists,

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 then science

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 is the only thing

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 that can give us

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 any real information about it.

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 So this is how

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 we get to the point

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 where there is

00:16:40.259 --> 00:16:42.159
 an open hostility

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 between sort of

00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:46.519
 institutionalized science

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 and theistic worldview.

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 Right?

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 So we have these early

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 sort of discoveries

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 which are uncomfortable

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 with the contemporary

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 theistic worldview,

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 but not insurmountable.

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 But this new secular

00:17:07.180 --> 00:17:08.660
 comprehensive worldview

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 is very much

00:17:10.040 --> 00:17:11.279
 uncompatible

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 with Christianity.

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 And this is how

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 the scientific establishment,

00:17:17.840 --> 00:17:18.460
 you might say,

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 you know,

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 becomes hostile

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 to religious belief

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 in general.

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 And this institutionalization

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 has been

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 one of the major drivers

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 of most of the philosophical

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 and metaphysical trends

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 that we see

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 in our culture.

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 You know,

00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:39.620
 modernism,

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 postmodernism,

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 they're all

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 as a baseline

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 assuming scientific materialism

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 in many ways.

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 and they rely

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 on the authority

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 and the track record

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 of scientific discoveries

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 to sort of

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 prop up

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 that philosophical worldview.

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 And that's one of the things

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 that we're going to talk about

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 in this class

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 is that a lot

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 of the perceived hostility

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 between science

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 and specifically

00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:10.419
 the Christian worldview

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 is actually

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 a philosophical disagreement.

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 Where we,

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 as Christians,

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 reject scientific

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 materialism,

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 obviously,

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 right?

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 Because there's

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 at least one thing

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 that is not material

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 and that's God,

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 right?

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 And so

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 we have to reject that

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 and because

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 this has sort of been

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 this philosophy

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 has sort of been

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 interwoven

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 with the way

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 that we do science

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 and the assumptions

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 that we make,

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 this creates

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 a lot of tension

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 in our world.

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 So

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 this leads us

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 to the Christian

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 bind.

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 So if you're thinking

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 about the

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 development

00:18:54.899 --> 00:18:56.180
 of the scientific method

00:18:56.180 --> 00:18:56.879
 over time,

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 then we're going

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 to be looking

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 at the fact

00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:01.299
 that Christianity

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 at a base level

00:19:03.619 --> 00:19:05.960
 has the assumptions

00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:08.779
 that brought science

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 into the fore,

00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:10.619
 right?

00:19:10.619 --> 00:19:11.379
 we started off

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 talking about

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 how the theology

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 of God

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 as a independent

00:19:16.719 --> 00:19:18.000
 person

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 with a free will

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 and our status

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 as image bearers

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 is what

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 cumulatively

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 sets up

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 the system

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 for science.

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 but

00:19:30.859 --> 00:19:32.480
 over time

00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:33.460
 this has become

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 more difficult

00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:35.740
 and so the

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 Christian bind

00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:36.960
 is that we

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 acknowledge

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 wholeheartedly

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 that men

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 can understand

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 the physical world

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 and learn

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 something true

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 about God

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 and nature.

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 We're made

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 in the image

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 of God

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 and this is

00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:50.740
 what allows

00:19:50.740 --> 00:19:51.159
 us

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 to confidently

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 come

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 to nature

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 and say

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 we can learn

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 something.

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 But secondly

00:20:00.300 --> 00:20:02.960
 the world

00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:03.460
 view of

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 scientific

00:20:03.900 --> 00:20:04.600
 materialism

00:20:04.600 --> 00:20:05.760
 which has

00:20:05.760 --> 00:20:06.400
 been supported

00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.600
 by the

00:20:08.600 --> 00:20:09.040
 findings of

00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:09.440
 this method

00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:10.280
 are clearly

00:20:10.280 --> 00:20:10.980
 contrary to

00:20:10.980 --> 00:20:11.220
 scripture.

00:20:12.340 --> 00:20:12.660
 Scientific

00:20:12.660 --> 00:20:13.220
 materialism

00:20:13.220 --> 00:20:13.820
 doesn't mesh

00:20:13.820 --> 00:20:14.900
 with scripture

00:20:14.900 --> 00:20:15.840
 and so

00:20:15.840 --> 00:20:16.340
 Christians

00:20:16.340 --> 00:20:17.080
 are seemingly

00:20:17.080 --> 00:20:17.780
 stuck

00:20:17.780 --> 00:20:18.440
 between

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 what I

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 call

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 truth

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 lowercase

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 t

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 truth

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 being

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 what we

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 can know

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 about

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 general

00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:27.380
 revelation

00:20:27.380 --> 00:20:28.020
 revelation

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 what we

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 can learn

00:20:29.340 --> 00:20:29.620
 about

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 the world

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 nature

00:20:30.880 --> 00:20:31.480
 you know

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 in the

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 bible

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 Paul

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 tells us

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 that

00:20:35.800 --> 00:20:36.840
 God

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 is clearly

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 seen

00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:38.020
 in the

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 works

00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:38.340
 of

00:20:38.340 --> 00:20:38.620
 nature

00:20:38.620 --> 00:20:39.520
 so

00:20:39.520 --> 00:20:39.720
 this

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 is

00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:40.320
 the

00:20:40.320 --> 00:20:40.920
 basis

00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:41.160
 of

00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:41.280
 what

00:20:41.280 --> 00:20:41.480
 we

00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:41.740
 would

00:20:41.740 --> 00:20:41.920
 call

00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:42.260
 general

00:20:42.260 --> 00:20:42.720
 revelation

00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:44.280
 but

00:20:44.280 --> 00:20:45.400
 we

00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:45.660
 also

00:20:45.660 --> 00:20:45.900
 have

00:20:45.900 --> 00:20:46.020
 a

00:20:46.020 --> 00:20:46.340
 capital

00:20:46.340 --> 00:20:46.580
 T

00:20:46.580 --> 00:20:46.940
 truth

00:20:46.940 --> 00:20:47.440
 right

00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:47.780
 which

00:20:47.780 --> 00:20:47.960
 is

00:20:47.960 --> 00:20:48.360
 scripture

00:20:48.360 --> 00:20:50.200
 God's

00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:50.980
 actual

00:20:50.980 --> 00:20:51.920
 revelation

00:20:51.920 --> 00:20:52.660
 to us

00:20:52.660 --> 00:20:53.500
 specially

00:20:53.500 --> 00:20:55.500
 and this

00:20:55.500 --> 00:20:55.960
 special

00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:56.519
 revelation

00:20:56.519 --> 00:20:57.619
 has its

00:20:57.619 --> 00:20:57.799
 own

00:20:57.799 --> 00:20:58.039
 truth

00:20:58.039 --> 00:20:58.400
 claims

00:20:58.400 --> 00:20:59.640
 right

00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:00.640
 and so

00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:01.920
 when

00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:02.500
 scientific

00:21:02.500 --> 00:21:03.319
 materialism

00:21:03.319 --> 00:21:04.079
 based on

00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:04.880
 lowercase

00:21:04.880 --> 00:21:05.059
 t

00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:05.420
 truth

00:21:05.420 --> 00:21:06.339
 and

00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:07.380
 Christianity

00:21:07.380 --> 00:21:08.059
 based on

00:21:08.059 --> 00:21:08.700
 uppercase

00:21:08.700 --> 00:21:08.980
 t

00:21:08.980 --> 00:21:09.519
 truth

00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:10.279
 come into

00:21:10.279 --> 00:21:10.799
 conflict

00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:11.420
 Christianity

00:21:11.420 --> 00:21:12.059
 Christians

00:21:12.059 --> 00:21:12.660
 feel like

00:21:12.660 --> 00:21:13.960
 right

00:21:13.960 --> 00:21:14.960
 because we

00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:15.619
 want to

00:21:15.619 --> 00:21:16.019
 affirm

00:21:16.019 --> 00:21:17.480
 that we

00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:17.880
 can learn

00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:18.160
 something

00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:18.579
 from nature

00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:18.859
 but we

00:21:18.859 --> 00:21:19.359
 also want

00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:19.819
 to

00:21:19.819 --> 00:21:20.720
 affirm

00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:21.339
 the truth

00:21:21.339 --> 00:21:21.500
 of

00:21:21.500 --> 00:21:21.779
 scripture

00:21:21.779 --> 00:21:23.159
 and so

00:21:23.159 --> 00:21:23.799
 historically

00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:24.099
 this

00:21:24.099 --> 00:21:24.559
 actually

00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:27.339
 developed

00:21:27.339 --> 00:21:29.079
 this

00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:29.759
 bind

00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:30.839
 sort

00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:30.980
 of

00:21:30.980 --> 00:21:32.439
 developed

00:21:32.439 --> 00:21:32.679
 sort

00:21:32.679 --> 00:21:32.899
 of a

00:21:32.899 --> 00:21:33.259
 split

00:21:33.259 --> 00:21:34.079
 in

00:21:34.079 --> 00:21:34.759
 at least

00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:34.919
 in

00:21:34.919 --> 00:21:35.240
 American

00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:35.879
 Christianity

00:21:35.879 --> 00:21:37.399
 between

00:21:37.399 --> 00:21:39.579
 what we

00:21:39.579 --> 00:21:40.179
 would call

00:21:40.179 --> 00:21:41.579
 the

00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:42.359
 fundamentalist

00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:42.699
 movement

00:21:42.699 --> 00:21:43.779
 these

00:21:43.779 --> 00:21:43.980
 were

00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:44.500
 Christians

00:21:44.500 --> 00:21:45.339
 that

00:21:45.339 --> 00:21:47.839
 above

00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:48.480
 all

00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:49.019
 wanted

00:21:49.019 --> 00:21:49.319
 to

00:21:49.319 --> 00:21:50.039
 protect

00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:51.240
 the

00:21:51.240 --> 00:21:52.079
 truth

00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:52.460
 of

00:21:52.460 --> 00:21:53.559
 special

00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:54.019
 revelation

00:21:54.019 --> 00:21:54.940
 and as

00:21:54.940 --> 00:21:55.579
 a result

00:21:55.579 --> 00:21:56.619
 they stayed

00:21:56.619 --> 00:21:57.139
 what we

00:21:57.139 --> 00:21:57.460
 would call

00:21:57.460 --> 00:21:58.079
 theologically

00:21:58.079 --> 00:21:58.700
 orthodox

00:21:58.700 --> 00:21:59.039
 but they

00:21:59.039 --> 00:21:59.259
 actually

00:21:59.259 --> 00:21:59.579
 became

00:21:59.579 --> 00:22:00.259
 intellectually

00:22:00.259 --> 00:22:00.960
 sort of

00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:01.779
 isolationist

00:22:01.779 --> 00:22:03.700
 they

00:22:03.700 --> 00:22:04.519
 stayed

00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:05.019
 true to

00:22:05.019 --> 00:22:05.299
 scripture

00:22:05.299 --> 00:22:05.899
 but they

00:22:05.899 --> 00:22:06.819
 no longer

00:22:06.819 --> 00:22:08.039
 wanted

00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:08.460
 to

00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:09.779
 work with

00:22:09.779 --> 00:22:10.379
 or

00:22:10.379 --> 00:22:13.180
 interact

00:22:13.180 --> 00:22:13.480
 with

00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:13.859
 that's the word

00:22:13.859 --> 00:22:14.200
 I'm looking for

00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:15.559
 they no longer

00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:16.000
 wanted to

00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:16.759
 interact with

00:22:16.759 --> 00:22:17.740
 the scientific

00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:18.440
 establishment

00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:19.240
 or many

00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:20.019
 other forms

00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:20.700
 of intellectual

00:22:20.700 --> 00:22:21.220
 pursuit

00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:21.600
 because they

00:22:21.600 --> 00:22:22.000
 thought that it

00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:22.460
 was all

00:22:22.460 --> 00:22:23.240
 sort of

00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:23.600
 corrupted

00:22:23.600 --> 00:22:25.019
 but on the

00:22:25.019 --> 00:22:25.600
 other side

00:22:25.600 --> 00:22:26.820
 we had

00:22:26.820 --> 00:22:27.740
 a different

00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:29.539
 group of

00:22:29.539 --> 00:22:29.880
 Christians

00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:31.100
 who tended

00:22:31.100 --> 00:22:32.400
 to side

00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:33.539
 more with

00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:34.779
 general revelation

00:22:34.779 --> 00:22:36.360
 than with

00:22:36.360 --> 00:22:37.160
 special revelation

00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:37.700
 and these

00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:41.640
 became what we

00:22:41.640 --> 00:22:42.000
 would call

00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:42.740
 the liberal

00:22:42.740 --> 00:22:43.299
 mainline

00:22:43.299 --> 00:22:43.960
 denominations

00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:44.559
 that we have

00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:45.320
 today

00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.039
 and they

00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:47.539
 became

00:22:47.539 --> 00:22:48.599
 less and

00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:48.879
 less

00:22:48.879 --> 00:22:49.460
 orthodox

00:22:49.460 --> 00:22:50.099
 over time

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 due to

00:22:50.659 --> 00:22:51.179
 a greater

00:22:51.179 --> 00:22:51.619
 and greater

00:22:51.619 --> 00:22:52.139
 desire

00:22:52.139 --> 00:22:53.059
 to fit

00:22:53.059 --> 00:22:53.720
 sort of

00:22:53.720 --> 00:22:54.039
 this

00:22:54.039 --> 00:22:54.859
 new

00:22:54.859 --> 00:22:55.839
 materialist

00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:56.859
 intellectual

00:22:56.859 --> 00:22:57.319
 milieu

00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:58.419
 into

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 Christianity

00:22:59.879 --> 00:23:00.319
 to the point

00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:00.899
 where a lot

00:23:00.899 --> 00:23:01.779
 of

00:23:01.779 --> 00:23:03.779
 times

00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:04.359
 they will

00:23:04.359 --> 00:23:05.480
 deny

00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:07.659
 the deity

00:23:07.659 --> 00:23:08.980
 or even

00:23:08.980 --> 00:23:09.359
 existence

00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:10.119
 of Christ

00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:11.879
 they will

00:23:11.879 --> 00:23:12.279
 deny the

00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:12.720
 resurrection

00:23:12.720 --> 00:23:13.539
 often

00:23:13.539 --> 00:23:14.099
 they will

00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:14.659
 reinterpret

00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:15.200
 the gospel

00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:17.279
 and maybe

00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:17.920
 even reject

00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:18.259
 theism

00:23:18.259 --> 00:23:18.680
 itself

00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:19.000
 so

00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:21.640
 I guess

00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:22.360
 what I'm

00:23:22.360 --> 00:23:23.019
 trying to

00:23:23.019 --> 00:23:25.259
 explain to

00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:25.860
 us as we

00:23:25.860 --> 00:23:26.640
 approach this

00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:27.279
 topic is

00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:28.140
 because a

00:23:28.140 --> 00:23:28.900
 lot of

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:30.100
 the emotion

00:23:30.100 --> 00:23:31.400
 right

00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:32.380
 a lot of

00:23:32.380 --> 00:23:33.080
 the anger

00:23:33.080 --> 00:23:35.100
 in this

00:23:35.100 --> 00:23:35.580
 topic is

00:23:35.580 --> 00:23:36.000
 because we

00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:36.700
 have groups

00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:37.279
 of Christians

00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:39.940
 who guard

00:23:39.940 --> 00:23:40.759
 jealously

00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:42.340
 special revelation

00:23:42.340 --> 00:23:43.600
 right

00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:44.539
 because historically

00:23:44.539 --> 00:23:45.099
 we've had

00:23:45.099 --> 00:23:45.740
 situations

00:23:45.740 --> 00:23:46.480
 in which

00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:47.199
 Christians

00:23:47.199 --> 00:23:47.659
 have

00:23:47.659 --> 00:23:49.419
 slowly

00:23:49.419 --> 00:23:51.219
 disregarded

00:23:51.219 --> 00:23:52.519
 the authority

00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:53.000
 of special

00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:53.339
 revelation

00:23:53.339 --> 00:23:54.439
 and fallen

00:23:54.439 --> 00:23:54.939
 away

00:23:54.939 --> 00:23:55.619
 right

00:23:55.619 --> 00:23:58.000
 but then

00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:58.419
 at the other

00:23:58.419 --> 00:23:58.819
 end of the

00:23:58.819 --> 00:23:59.039
 spectrum

00:23:59.039 --> 00:23:59.259
 we have

00:23:59.259 --> 00:23:59.539
 Christians

00:23:59.539 --> 00:23:59.899
 saying

00:23:59.899 --> 00:24:00.319
 but

00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:02.000
 we have

00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:02.659
 every reason

00:24:02.659 --> 00:24:03.199
 biblically

00:24:03.199 --> 00:24:04.139
 to believe

00:24:04.139 --> 00:24:04.599
 that we

00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:05.119
 as image

00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:05.459
 bearers

00:24:05.459 --> 00:24:06.219
 have a

00:24:06.219 --> 00:24:06.779
 responsibility

00:24:06.779 --> 00:24:07.359
 and an

00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:07.759
 ability

00:24:07.759 --> 00:24:08.579
 to know

00:24:08.579 --> 00:24:09.099
 about the

00:24:09.099 --> 00:24:09.399
 natural

00:24:09.399 --> 00:24:09.839
 world

00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:10.720
 and so

00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:12.319
 there is

00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:12.579
 this

00:24:12.579 --> 00:24:13.819
 tension

00:24:13.819 --> 00:24:14.599
 right

00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:15.159
 and a lot

00:24:15.159 --> 00:24:15.419
 of it

00:24:15.419 --> 00:24:16.000
 has to do

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:16.399
 with our

00:24:16.399 --> 00:24:17.259
 historical

00:24:17.259 --> 00:24:17.939
 situation

00:24:17.939 --> 00:24:18.299
 as we

00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:18.559
 are right

00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:18.740
 now

00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:19.980
 evangelicals

00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:21.559
 which

00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:23.379
 broadly

00:24:23.379 --> 00:24:23.919
 we are

00:24:23.919 --> 00:24:24.459
 right

00:24:24.459 --> 00:24:26.399
 evangelicals

00:24:26.399 --> 00:24:27.099
 didn't really

00:24:27.099 --> 00:24:28.199
 ever fit

00:24:28.199 --> 00:24:28.639
 neatly

00:24:28.639 --> 00:24:29.500
 in the

00:24:29.500 --> 00:24:30.119
 fundamentalist

00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:30.539
 category

00:24:30.539 --> 00:24:31.059
 or

00:24:31.059 --> 00:24:31.879
 the

00:24:31.879 --> 00:24:32.500
 mainline

00:24:32.500 --> 00:24:33.039
 category

00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:34.159
 so

00:24:34.159 --> 00:24:35.500
 in a

00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:35.659
 certain

00:24:35.659 --> 00:24:36.119
 sense

00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:37.899
 we are

00:24:37.899 --> 00:24:38.139
 like

00:24:38.139 --> 00:24:38.399
 hey

00:24:38.399 --> 00:24:38.779
 man

00:24:38.779 --> 00:24:39.059
 let's

00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:40.019
 all

00:24:40.019 --> 00:24:40.259
 be

00:24:40.259 --> 00:24:40.619
 together

00:24:40.619 --> 00:24:42.339
 but

00:24:42.339 --> 00:24:43.000
 at the

00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:43.180
 same

00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:43.399
 time

00:24:43.399 --> 00:24:43.839
 we can't

00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:44.059
 help

00:24:44.059 --> 00:24:44.519
 but be

00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:45.220
 influenced

00:24:45.220 --> 00:24:46.579
 by the

00:24:46.579 --> 00:24:47.399
 major

00:24:47.399 --> 00:24:47.819
 big

00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:48.359
 streams

00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:48.740
 of

00:24:48.740 --> 00:24:49.079
 Christianity

00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:49.440
 going

00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:49.599
 through

00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:49.740
 our

00:24:49.740 --> 00:24:50.039
 culture

00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:51.339
 and so

00:24:51.339 --> 00:24:52.680
 if this

00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:52.960
 is the

00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:53.339
 origin

00:24:53.339 --> 00:24:53.940
 of

00:24:53.940 --> 00:24:54.500
 this

00:24:54.500 --> 00:24:55.200
 view

00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:55.599
 of the

00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:56.119
 scientific

00:24:56.119 --> 00:24:56.619
 versus

00:24:56.619 --> 00:24:57.500
 science

00:24:57.500 --> 00:24:57.759
 versus

00:24:57.759 --> 00:24:58.099
 faith

00:24:58.099 --> 00:24:58.759
 dichotomy

00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:01.119
 this is

00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:01.299
 something

00:25:01.299 --> 00:25:01.559
 that we

00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:01.779
 need to

00:25:01.779 --> 00:25:02.099
 look at

00:25:02.099 --> 00:25:02.460
 how

00:25:02.460 --> 00:25:02.940
 do we

00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:03.519
 balance

00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:04.360
 general

00:25:04.360 --> 00:25:04.880
 revelation

00:25:04.880 --> 00:25:05.779
 and special

00:25:05.779 --> 00:25:06.279
 revelation

00:25:06.279 --> 00:25:06.940
 how do

00:25:06.940 --> 00:25:07.299
 different

00:25:07.299 --> 00:25:07.700
 people

00:25:07.700 --> 00:25:08.059
 different

00:25:08.059 --> 00:25:08.559
 Christians

00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:09.880
 come to

00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:10.120
 different

00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:10.580
 conclusions

00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:11.080
 about how

00:25:11.080 --> 00:25:11.380
 we do

00:25:11.380 --> 00:25:11.600
 that

00:25:11.600 --> 00:25:12.000
 and that

00:25:12.000 --> 00:25:12.320
 is going

00:25:12.320 --> 00:25:12.519
 to be

00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:12.799
 the

00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:13.440
 topic

00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:13.960
 of our

00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:15.019
 next

00:25:15.019 --> 00:25:15.460
 class

00:25:15.460 --> 00:25:16.100
 is

00:25:16.100 --> 00:25:17.059
 the

00:25:17.059 --> 00:25:17.460
 different

00:25:17.460 --> 00:25:17.860
 ways

00:25:17.860 --> 00:25:18.039
 of

00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:18.440
 balancing

00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:18.860
 general

00:25:18.860 --> 00:25:19.259
 and special

00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:19.720
 revelation

00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:20.700
 and the

00:25:20.700 --> 00:25:21.019
 different

00:25:21.019 --> 00:25:21.539
 ways

00:25:21.539 --> 00:25:22.080
 in which

00:25:22.080 --> 00:25:22.360
 this

00:25:22.360 --> 00:25:22.980
 influences

00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:23.559
 how we

00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:24.220
 understand

00:25:24.220 --> 00:25:24.779
 scripture

00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:25.799
 and the

00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:26.120
 natural

00:25:26.120 --> 00:25:26.500
 world

00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:28.360
 okay

00:25:28.360 --> 00:25:31.240
 this is

00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:31.559
 the most

00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:32.160
 boring slide

00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:33.160
 but also

00:25:33.160 --> 00:25:33.680
 the rest

00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:33.880
 are

00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:34.500
 equally

00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:34.820
 boring

00:25:34.820 --> 00:25:35.620
 so

00:25:35.620 --> 00:25:37.120
 let's

00:25:37.120 --> 00:25:37.600
 move on

00:25:37.600 --> 00:25:38.120
 to

00:25:38.120 --> 00:25:39.240
 what

00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:39.600
 we're

00:25:39.600 --> 00:25:39.740
 going to

00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:39.860
 be

00:25:39.860 --> 00:25:40.160
 talking

00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:40.500
 about

00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:40.779
 more

00:25:40.779 --> 00:25:41.259
 specifically

00:25:41.259 --> 00:25:41.740
 in this

00:25:41.740 --> 00:25:42.380
 wider

00:25:42.380 --> 00:25:43.120
 science

00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:43.440
 versus

00:25:43.440 --> 00:25:44.320
 faith

00:25:44.320 --> 00:25:44.980
 debate

00:25:44.980 --> 00:25:46.259
 which is

00:25:46.259 --> 00:25:47.080
 intelligent

00:25:47.080 --> 00:25:47.519
 design

00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:47.720
 and

00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:48.000
 theistic

00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:48.420
 evolution

00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:48.779
 so

00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:49.759
 today

00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:50.279
 I'm not

00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:50.460
 going to

00:25:50.460 --> 00:25:51.220
 go into

00:25:51.220 --> 00:25:53.040
 a whole

00:25:53.040 --> 00:25:53.300
 bunch of

00:25:53.300 --> 00:25:53.640
 details

00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:54.000
 about

00:25:54.000 --> 00:25:54.820
 what

00:25:54.820 --> 00:25:55.140
 intelligent

00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:55.660
 design

00:25:55.660 --> 00:25:56.660
 what are

00:25:56.660 --> 00:25:57.320
 the arguments

00:25:57.320 --> 00:25:57.779
 what are the

00:25:57.779 --> 00:25:58.060
 arguments

00:25:58.060 --> 00:25:58.440
 against

00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:58.799
 that's

00:25:58.799 --> 00:25:58.940
 going to

00:25:58.940 --> 00:25:59.039
 be

00:25:59.039 --> 00:25:59.200
 our

00:25:59.200 --> 00:25:59.440
 third

00:25:59.440 --> 00:25:59.920
 class

00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:00.820
 where

00:26:00.820 --> 00:26:01.100
 we're

00:26:01.100 --> 00:26:01.259
 going to

00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:01.420
 talk

00:26:01.420 --> 00:26:01.580
 about

00:26:01.580 --> 00:26:01.740
 a

00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:02.240
 different

00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.340
 sort

00:26:03.340 --> 00:26:03.460
 of

00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:04.039
 balance

00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:06.200
 but

00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:06.660
 I want

00:26:06.660 --> 00:26:06.799
 to

00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:07.180
 start

00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:07.580
 off

00:26:07.580 --> 00:26:08.059
 with

00:26:08.059 --> 00:26:08.320
 a

00:26:08.320 --> 00:26:08.660
 definition

00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:09.460
 right

00:26:09.460 --> 00:26:09.799
 I want

00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:09.900
 us

00:26:09.900 --> 00:26:10.019
 to

00:26:10.019 --> 00:26:10.279
 all

00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:10.460
 be

00:26:10.460 --> 00:26:10.580
 on

00:26:10.580 --> 00:26:10.700
 the

00:26:10.700 --> 00:26:11.360
 same

00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:11.820
 page

00:26:11.820 --> 00:26:12.120
 about

00:26:12.120 --> 00:26:12.480
 what

00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:12.620
 it

00:26:12.620 --> 00:26:12.840
 is

00:26:12.840 --> 00:26:12.960
 that

00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:13.059
 we're

00:26:13.059 --> 00:26:13.420
 talking

00:26:13.420 --> 00:26:13.779
 about

00:26:13.779 --> 00:26:14.259
 so

00:26:14.259 --> 00:26:14.539
 we

00:26:14.539 --> 00:26:14.680
 don't

00:26:14.680 --> 00:26:14.840
 get

00:26:14.840 --> 00:26:15.200
 confused

00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:15.519
 so

00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:16.519
 what

00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:17.160
 is

00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.240
 the

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:18.620
 intelligent

00:26:18.620 --> 00:26:19.019
 design

00:26:19.019 --> 00:26:19.400
 movement

00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:21.080
 well

00:26:21.080 --> 00:26:23.960
 if we

00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:24.500
 take them

00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:25.180
 at their

00:26:25.180 --> 00:26:25.420
 own

00:26:25.420 --> 00:26:25.680
 word

00:26:25.680 --> 00:26:26.140
 which I

00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:26.279
 think

00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:26.720
 is the

00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:27.680
 intellectually

00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:28.039
 honest

00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:28.220
 thing

00:26:28.220 --> 00:26:28.539
 to do

00:26:28.539 --> 00:26:29.900
 intelligent

00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:30.319
 design

00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:30.920
 is

00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:32.039
 primarily

00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:32.299
 a

00:26:32.299 --> 00:26:32.599
 scientific

00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:33.059
 movement

00:26:33.059 --> 00:26:34.079
 or

00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:34.420
 ID

00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:34.839
 I'm

00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:34.940
 going to

00:26:34.940 --> 00:26:35.099
 call

00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:35.220
 them

00:26:35.220 --> 00:26:35.440
 ID

00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:35.960
 because

00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:37.140
 that's

00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:37.220
 how

00:26:37.220 --> 00:26:37.339
 they

00:26:37.339 --> 00:26:37.559
 go

00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:38.960
 they

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:39.240
 have

00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:39.380
 a

00:26:39.380 --> 00:26:39.819
 variety

00:26:39.819 --> 00:26:40.180
 of

00:26:40.180 --> 00:26:40.980
 minor

00:26:40.980 --> 00:26:41.279
 sort

00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:41.400
 of

00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:41.960
 philosophical

00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:42.579
 metaphysical

00:26:42.579 --> 00:26:43.019
 arguments

00:26:43.019 --> 00:26:43.599
 associated

00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:43.839
 but

00:26:43.839 --> 00:26:44.119
 what

00:26:44.119 --> 00:26:44.400
 ID

00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:44.839
 really

00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:45.160
 seeks

00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:45.319
 to

00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:45.759
 argue

00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:46.200
 is

00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:46.420
 that

00:26:46.420 --> 00:26:47.000
 many

00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:47.460
 elements

00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:47.640
 of

00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:47.940
 nature

00:26:47.940 --> 00:26:48.779
 are

00:26:48.779 --> 00:26:49.279
 best

00:26:49.279 --> 00:26:49.960
 explained

00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:50.240
 through

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:50.400
 the

00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:50.960
 activity

00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:51.359
 of an

00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:51.759
 intelligent

00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:52.180
 agent

00:26:52.180 --> 00:26:53.579
 they

00:26:53.579 --> 00:26:53.900
 try to

00:26:53.900 --> 00:26:54.119
 argue

00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:54.400
 that

00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:55.540
 design

00:26:55.540 --> 00:26:56.160
 is

00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:56.900
 scientifically

00:26:56.900 --> 00:26:57.920
 detectable

00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:58.920
 specifically

00:26:58.920 --> 00:26:59.259
 in the

00:26:59.259 --> 00:26:59.700
 biological

00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:00.120
 realm

00:27:00.120 --> 00:27:01.980
 and so

00:27:01.980 --> 00:27:05.380
 the

00:27:05.380 --> 00:27:06.120
 challenge

00:27:06.120 --> 00:27:08.200
 to

00:27:08.200 --> 00:27:09.160
 intelligent

00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:09.560
 design

00:27:09.560 --> 00:27:10.060
 often

00:27:10.060 --> 00:27:10.940
 is

00:27:10.940 --> 00:27:11.460
 actually

00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:11.980
 that

00:27:11.980 --> 00:27:12.259
 they

00:27:12.259 --> 00:27:12.860
 are

00:27:12.860 --> 00:27:14.700
 pseudoscientific

00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:15.540
 right

00:27:15.540 --> 00:27:16.420
 and

00:27:16.420 --> 00:27:17.220
 pseudoscientific

00:27:17.220 --> 00:27:17.780
 is a

00:27:17.780 --> 00:27:18.060
 way

00:27:18.060 --> 00:27:18.640
 of

00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.720
 arguing

00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:22.160
 that

00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:22.540
 their

00:27:22.540 --> 00:27:24.380
 methodology

00:27:24.380 --> 00:27:24.500
 methodology

00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:26.260
 is not

00:27:26.260 --> 00:27:26.920
 in line

00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:27.620
 with the

00:27:27.620 --> 00:27:27.980
 scientific

00:27:27.980 --> 00:27:28.520
 method

00:27:28.520 --> 00:27:29.460
 okay

00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:29.800
 let me

00:27:29.800 --> 00:27:30.200
 let me go

00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:30.560
 a little

00:27:30.560 --> 00:27:30.840
 bit

00:27:30.840 --> 00:27:31.620
 into that

00:27:31.620 --> 00:27:31.800
 so we

00:27:31.800 --> 00:27:31.900
 can

00:27:31.900 --> 00:27:32.420
 understand

00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:33.200
 that

00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:33.760
 criticism

00:27:33.760 --> 00:27:34.480
 before we

00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:35.020
 move on

00:27:35.020 --> 00:27:35.840
 to

00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:37.340
 criticism

00:27:37.340 --> 00:27:37.720
 of their

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:38.060
 arguments

00:27:38.060 --> 00:27:38.520
 on the

00:27:38.520 --> 00:27:38.920
 merits

00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:39.380
 of their

00:27:39.380 --> 00:27:39.700
 arguments

00:27:39.700 --> 00:27:40.240
 this is

00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:40.860
 the

00:27:40.860 --> 00:27:41.520
 challenge

00:27:41.520 --> 00:27:41.700
 of

00:27:41.700 --> 00:27:42.320
 pseudoscience

00:27:42.320 --> 00:27:42.920
 is sort

00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:43.120
 of a

00:27:43.120 --> 00:27:43.620
 dismissal

00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:45.679
 and

00:27:45.679 --> 00:27:46.139
 basically

00:27:46.139 --> 00:27:47.479
 their

00:27:47.479 --> 00:27:47.899
 critics

00:27:47.899 --> 00:27:48.339
 argue

00:27:48.339 --> 00:27:48.779
 that

00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:51.399
 you

00:27:51.399 --> 00:27:52.359
 can't

00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:52.939
 appeal

00:27:52.939 --> 00:27:53.979
 to

00:27:53.979 --> 00:27:54.519
 an

00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:54.859
 agent

00:27:54.859 --> 00:27:55.739
 when

00:27:55.739 --> 00:27:56.019
 doing

00:27:56.019 --> 00:27:56.559
 science

00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.039
 that

00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:00.519
 this

00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:01.739
 now

00:28:01.739 --> 00:28:02.599
 puts you

00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:03.039
 outside

00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:03.339
 of the

00:28:03.339 --> 00:28:03.659
 scientific

00:28:03.659 --> 00:28:04.039
 method

00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:04.639
 but as

00:28:04.639 --> 00:28:05.019
 we talked

00:28:05.019 --> 00:28:05.239
 about

00:28:05.239 --> 00:28:05.500
 earlier

00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:05.859
 that doesn't

00:28:05.859 --> 00:28:06.279
 necessarily

00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:06.799
 need to

00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:07.119
 be the

00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:07.479
 case

00:28:07.479 --> 00:28:08.279
 right

00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:10.859
 you'll

00:28:10.859 --> 00:28:11.160
 find

00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:11.399
 that

00:28:11.399 --> 00:28:11.779
 most

00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:11.980
 of the

00:28:11.980 --> 00:28:12.319
 time

00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:12.639
 when

00:28:12.639 --> 00:28:13.660
 scientists

00:28:13.660 --> 00:28:14.500
 are

00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:15.079
 dismissing

00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:15.379
 the

00:28:15.379 --> 00:28:15.879
 intelligent

00:28:15.879 --> 00:28:16.319
 design

00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:16.720
 movement

00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:17.500
 on this

00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:17.960
 basis

00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:18.299
 they're

00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:18.799
 actually

00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:19.599
 arguing

00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.220
 implicitly

00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:21.899
 for

00:28:21.899 --> 00:28:22.639
 methodological

00:28:22.639 --> 00:28:23.240
 naturalism

00:28:23.240 --> 00:28:24.200
 right

00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:24.740
 now

00:28:24.740 --> 00:28:25.440
 interestingly

00:28:25.440 --> 00:28:25.819
 if you

00:28:25.819 --> 00:28:26.180
 actually

00:28:26.180 --> 00:28:26.660
 look

00:28:26.660 --> 00:28:27.500
 at the

00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:28.339
 various

00:28:28.339 --> 00:28:30.799
 explanations

00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:31.680
 and

00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:32.960
 demarcations

00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:33.579
 of what

00:28:33.579 --> 00:28:34.059
 the scientific

00:28:34.059 --> 00:28:34.599
 method is

00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:35.039
 you won't

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:35.819
 actually find

00:28:35.819 --> 00:28:36.519
 methodological

00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:37.119
 naturalism

00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.259
 it is not

00:28:38.259 --> 00:28:38.559
 a

00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:39.399
 expressed

00:28:39.399 --> 00:28:40.439
 tenet

00:28:40.439 --> 00:28:40.699
 of the

00:28:40.699 --> 00:28:41.019
 scientific

00:28:41.019 --> 00:28:41.399
 method

00:28:41.399 --> 00:28:42.399
 right

00:28:42.399 --> 00:28:43.739
 so a lot

00:28:43.739 --> 00:28:44.239
 of times

00:28:44.239 --> 00:28:44.739
 because

00:28:44.739 --> 00:28:46.079
 the ID

00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:47.039
 crowd

00:28:47.039 --> 00:28:49.279
 rejects

00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:49.839
 methodological

00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:50.359
 naturalism

00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:50.939
 right

00:28:50.939 --> 00:28:51.500
 because their

00:28:51.500 --> 00:28:52.039
 argument is

00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:52.899
 that we

00:28:52.899 --> 00:28:53.419
 can actually

00:28:53.419 --> 00:28:53.959
 see

00:28:53.959 --> 00:28:55.179
 the

00:28:55.179 --> 00:28:55.939
 activity

00:28:55.939 --> 00:28:56.539
 of God

00:28:56.539 --> 00:28:56.959
 in

00:28:56.959 --> 00:28:57.719
 nature

00:28:57.719 --> 00:28:58.299
 now of

00:28:58.299 --> 00:28:58.479
 course

00:28:58.479 --> 00:28:59.079
 they don't

00:28:59.079 --> 00:28:59.500
 make

00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:00.099
 well I'll

00:29:00.099 --> 00:29:00.479
 explain that

00:29:00.479 --> 00:29:01.359
 what they

00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:01.719
 aren't

00:29:01.719 --> 00:29:02.019
 but

00:29:02.019 --> 00:29:04.899
 this

00:29:04.899 --> 00:29:05.839
 sort of

00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:06.319
 tension

00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:07.259
 between

00:29:07.259 --> 00:29:08.139
 methodological

00:29:08.139 --> 00:29:08.619
 naturalism

00:29:08.619 --> 00:29:08.899
 and the

00:29:08.899 --> 00:29:09.159
 ID

00:29:09.159 --> 00:29:09.639
 crowd

00:29:09.639 --> 00:29:10.740
 is really

00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:11.079
 what I

00:29:11.079 --> 00:29:11.359
 think is

00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:11.579
 at the

00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:11.960
 root of

00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:12.279
 this

00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:13.579
 challenge

00:29:13.579 --> 00:29:13.779
 of

00:29:13.779 --> 00:29:14.359
 pseudoscience

00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:15.419
 now

00:29:15.419 --> 00:29:16.099
 the

00:29:16.099 --> 00:29:16.599
 problem

00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:17.059
 is

00:29:17.059 --> 00:29:17.980
 because

00:29:17.980 --> 00:29:18.659
 methodological

00:29:18.659 --> 00:29:19.240
 naturalism

00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:20.220
 isn't a

00:29:20.220 --> 00:29:20.460
 core

00:29:20.460 --> 00:29:21.359
 tenet of

00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:21.519
 the

00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:21.859
 scientific

00:29:21.859 --> 00:29:22.159
 method

00:29:22.159 --> 00:29:22.319
 they

00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:22.599
 actually

00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:22.960
 can't

00:29:22.960 --> 00:29:23.259
 argue

00:29:23.259 --> 00:29:23.919
 for it

00:29:23.919 --> 00:29:25.179
 so

00:29:25.179 --> 00:29:25.559
 often

00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:26.059
 times

00:29:26.059 --> 00:29:26.659
 they

00:29:26.659 --> 00:29:27.480
 will

00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:27.980
 argue

00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:30.480
 that

00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:31.599
 the

00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:33.019
 ID

00:29:33.019 --> 00:29:33.519
 community

00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:34.420
 doesn't

00:29:34.420 --> 00:29:35.259
 present

00:29:35.259 --> 00:29:36.059
 falsifiable

00:29:36.059 --> 00:29:36.779
 claims

00:29:36.779 --> 00:29:38.000
 or that

00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:38.740
 it's an

00:29:38.740 --> 00:29:39.299
 argument from

00:29:39.299 --> 00:29:39.859
 ignorance

00:29:39.859 --> 00:29:40.639
 or doesn't

00:29:40.639 --> 00:29:40.819
 make

00:29:40.819 --> 00:29:41.299
 predictions

00:29:41.299 --> 00:29:42.259
 these are

00:29:42.259 --> 00:29:42.539
 all

00:29:42.539 --> 00:29:43.160
 different

00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.559
 tenets of

00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:44.680
 the

00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:45.019
 scientific

00:29:45.019 --> 00:29:45.460
 method

00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:46.660
 but

00:29:46.660 --> 00:29:48.539
 I

00:29:48.539 --> 00:29:50.019
 don't

00:29:50.019 --> 00:29:50.240
 think

00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:50.619
 most of

00:29:50.619 --> 00:29:50.920
 those

00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:51.660
 challenges

00:29:51.660 --> 00:29:52.200
 actually

00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:52.940
 pass

00:29:52.940 --> 00:29:53.359
 muster

00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:53.839
 I think

00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:54.299
 most of

00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:54.660
 the time

00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:55.819
 they are

00:29:55.819 --> 00:29:56.619
 confronted

00:29:56.619 --> 00:29:58.119
 critics of

00:29:58.119 --> 00:29:58.400
 intelligent

00:29:58.400 --> 00:29:58.720
 design

00:29:58.720 --> 00:29:59.400
 are confronted

00:29:59.400 --> 00:29:59.700
 with the

00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:00.079
 fact that

00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:00.680
 they are

00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:01.400
 expressing

00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:01.880
 rejecting

00:30:01.880 --> 00:30:03.180
 methodological

00:30:03.180 --> 00:30:03.720
 naturalism

00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:04.060
 and being

00:30:04.060 --> 00:30:04.500
 brought to

00:30:04.500 --> 00:30:04.860
 the fore

00:30:04.860 --> 00:30:05.080
 and they

00:30:05.080 --> 00:30:05.360
 are like

00:30:05.360 --> 00:30:05.860
 oh man

00:30:05.860 --> 00:30:06.860
 I can't

00:30:06.860 --> 00:30:07.100
 actually

00:30:07.100 --> 00:30:07.400
 argue

00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.160
 the problem

00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:10.560
 is

00:30:10.560 --> 00:30:11.320
 with

00:30:11.320 --> 00:30:11.799
 scientific

00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:12.580
 materialism

00:30:12.580 --> 00:30:14.500
 is that

00:30:14.500 --> 00:30:15.259
 scientism

00:30:15.259 --> 00:30:15.600
 one of

00:30:15.600 --> 00:30:15.880
 those

00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:16.539
 pillars

00:30:16.539 --> 00:30:17.820
 that

00:30:17.820 --> 00:30:18.900
 the hard

00:30:18.900 --> 00:30:19.299
 sciences

00:30:19.299 --> 00:30:19.580
 are the

00:30:19.580 --> 00:30:19.980
 only way

00:30:19.980 --> 00:30:20.299
 to

00:30:20.299 --> 00:30:21.360
 get

00:30:21.360 --> 00:30:21.700
 true

00:30:21.700 --> 00:30:22.200
 knowledge

00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.580
 is

00:30:23.580 --> 00:30:24.400
 not

00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:25.640
 is a

00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:26.279
 self-refuting

00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:26.740
 statement

00:30:26.740 --> 00:30:27.960
 right

00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:29.299
 so

00:30:29.299 --> 00:30:30.379
 that

00:30:30.379 --> 00:30:30.720
 the

00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:31.740
 sentence

00:30:31.740 --> 00:30:33.220
 science

00:30:33.220 --> 00:30:33.539
 is the

00:30:33.539 --> 00:30:33.980
 only way

00:30:33.980 --> 00:30:34.259
 to get

00:30:34.259 --> 00:30:34.519
 true

00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:35.000
 knowledge

00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:36.399
 is not

00:30:36.399 --> 00:30:36.940
 testable

00:30:36.940 --> 00:30:37.139
 by

00:30:37.139 --> 00:30:37.539
 science

00:30:37.539 --> 00:30:38.579
 you see

00:30:38.579 --> 00:30:38.700
 the

00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:39.039
 problem

00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:40.000
 and so

00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:40.240
 because

00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:40.579
 that

00:30:40.579 --> 00:30:41.000
 sentence

00:30:41.000 --> 00:30:41.379
 is not

00:30:41.379 --> 00:30:41.899
 testable

00:30:41.899 --> 00:30:42.099
 by

00:30:42.099 --> 00:30:42.419
 science

00:30:42.419 --> 00:30:42.599
 it

00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:42.839
 cannot

00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:43.099
 be

00:30:43.099 --> 00:30:43.299
 true

00:30:43.299 --> 00:30:43.480
 by

00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:43.619
 its

00:30:43.619 --> 00:30:43.980
 own

00:30:43.980 --> 00:30:45.519
 argument

00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:46.039
 right

00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:47.079
 and so

00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:47.419
 a lot

00:30:47.419 --> 00:30:47.940
 of times

00:30:47.940 --> 00:30:48.259
 when

00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:48.480
 the

00:30:48.480 --> 00:30:48.740
 ID

00:30:48.740 --> 00:30:49.059
 crowd

00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:49.419
 brings

00:30:49.419 --> 00:30:49.619
 up

00:30:49.619 --> 00:30:49.799
 their

00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:50.379
 arguments

00:30:50.379 --> 00:30:53.180
 methodological

00:30:53.180 --> 00:30:53.720
 naturalism

00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:54.279
 starts to

00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:54.740
 come to

00:30:54.740 --> 00:30:55.059
 the fore

00:30:55.059 --> 00:30:55.460
 and then

00:30:55.460 --> 00:30:56.079
 scientists

00:30:56.079 --> 00:30:56.419
 are like

00:30:56.419 --> 00:30:56.779
 well I

00:30:56.779 --> 00:30:57.019
 can't

00:30:57.019 --> 00:30:57.240
 argue

00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:57.500
 for

00:30:57.500 --> 00:30:58.299
 methodological

00:30:58.299 --> 00:30:58.879
 naturalism

00:30:58.880 --> 00:30:59.040
 because

00:30:59.040 --> 00:30:59.200
 that's

00:30:59.200 --> 00:30:59.320
 a

00:30:59.320 --> 00:30:59.860
 philosophical

00:30:59.860 --> 00:31:01.360
 argument

00:31:01.360 --> 00:31:01.660
 and

00:31:01.660 --> 00:31:02.840
 based on

00:31:02.840 --> 00:31:03.220
 scientific

00:31:03.220 --> 00:31:03.660
 materialism

00:31:03.660 --> 00:31:04.100
 I can't

00:31:04.100 --> 00:31:04.320
 argue

00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:04.700
 for that

00:31:04.700 --> 00:31:06.600
 so

00:31:06.600 --> 00:31:06.980
 they're

00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:07.180
 putting

00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:07.360
 a

00:31:07.360 --> 00:31:07.620
 bind

00:31:07.620 --> 00:31:07.980
 I

00:31:07.980 --> 00:31:08.180
 think

00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:08.420
 it's

00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:08.700
 an

00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:09.020
 uncomfortable

00:31:09.020 --> 00:31:09.580
 position

00:31:09.580 --> 00:31:10.760
 and I

00:31:10.760 --> 00:31:10.960
 don't

00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:11.740
 mean

00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:12.160
 to

00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:14.000
 dismiss

00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:14.440
 the

00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:14.720
 critics

00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:14.920
 of

00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:15.220
 intelligent

00:31:15.220 --> 00:31:15.560
 design

00:31:15.560 --> 00:31:15.980
 because

00:31:15.980 --> 00:31:16.220
 there

00:31:16.220 --> 00:31:16.480
 are

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:17.000
 legitimate

00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:17.540
 criticisms

00:31:17.540 --> 00:31:18.560
 of

00:31:18.560 --> 00:31:18.900
 the

00:31:18.900 --> 00:31:19.480
 different

00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:19.840
 claims

00:31:19.840 --> 00:31:20.020
 on

00:31:20.020 --> 00:31:20.420
 scientific

00:31:20.420 --> 00:31:20.840
 grounds

00:31:20.840 --> 00:31:21.040
 on

00:31:21.040 --> 00:31:21.500
 philosophical

00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:22.020
 grounds

00:31:22.020 --> 00:31:22.600
 I

00:31:22.600 --> 00:31:22.980
 think

00:31:22.980 --> 00:31:23.660
 what I

00:31:23.660 --> 00:31:23.800
 want

00:31:23.800 --> 00:31:23.900
 to

00:31:23.900 --> 00:31:24.100
 say

00:31:24.100 --> 00:31:24.420
 is

00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:24.700
 I'm

00:31:24.700 --> 00:31:24.880
 not

00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:25.020
 going

00:31:25.020 --> 00:31:25.120
 to

00:31:25.120 --> 00:31:25.400
 really

00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:26.100
 focus

00:31:26.100 --> 00:31:27.840
 primarily

00:31:27.840 --> 00:31:28.180
 in

00:31:28.180 --> 00:31:28.380
 this

00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:28.820
 class

00:31:28.819 --> 00:31:29.159
 on

00:31:29.159 --> 00:31:29.339
 the

00:31:29.339 --> 00:31:30.019
 challenge

00:31:30.019 --> 00:31:30.240
 that

00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:30.379
 it's

00:31:30.379 --> 00:31:31.059
 pseudoscientific

00:31:31.059 --> 00:31:31.919
 I

00:31:31.919 --> 00:31:32.139
 think

00:31:32.139 --> 00:31:32.319
 it's

00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:32.740
 not

00:31:32.740 --> 00:31:33.079
 really

00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:33.399
 worth

00:31:33.399 --> 00:31:33.599
 our

00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:33.919
 time

00:31:33.919 --> 00:31:34.740
 and

00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:34.879
 I

00:31:34.879 --> 00:31:35.179
 think

00:31:35.179 --> 00:31:36.519
 it's

00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:36.679
 not

00:31:36.679 --> 00:31:36.859
 worth

00:31:36.859 --> 00:31:37.019
 our

00:31:37.019 --> 00:31:37.179
 time

00:31:37.179 --> 00:31:37.399
 because

00:31:37.399 --> 00:31:37.519
 it

00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:37.720
 doesn't

00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:37.919
 really

00:31:37.919 --> 00:31:38.240
 work

00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:39.399
 so

00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:40.820
 that

00:31:40.820 --> 00:31:41.060
 is

00:31:41.060 --> 00:31:41.280
 what

00:31:41.280 --> 00:31:41.660
 intelligent

00:31:41.660 --> 00:31:41.940
 design

00:31:41.940 --> 00:31:42.300
 is

00:31:42.300 --> 00:31:42.880
 what

00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:43.600
 isn't

00:31:43.600 --> 00:31:43.940
 it

00:31:43.940 --> 00:31:45.080
 okay

00:31:45.080 --> 00:31:46.040
 it

00:31:46.040 --> 00:31:46.259
 is

00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:46.820
 not

00:31:46.820 --> 00:31:48.540
 a

00:31:48.540 --> 00:31:48.880
 religious

00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:49.180
 movement

00:31:49.180 --> 00:31:50.440
 so

00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:51.480
 ID

00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:52.019
 proponents

00:31:52.019 --> 00:31:52.560
 don't

00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:52.960
 make

00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:53.340
 arguments

00:31:53.340 --> 00:31:53.519
 from

00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:53.820
 scripture

00:31:53.820 --> 00:31:55.300
 they

00:31:55.300 --> 00:31:55.640
 don't

00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:55.860
 they're

00:31:55.860 --> 00:31:56.160
 not

00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.440
 expressly

00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:57.780
 Christian

00:31:57.780 --> 00:31:58.920
 they're

00:31:58.920 --> 00:31:59.160
 not

00:31:59.160 --> 00:31:59.519
 even

00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:00.360
 all

00:32:00.360 --> 00:32:01.200
 theists

00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:01.980
 to be

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:02.180
 honest

00:32:02.180 --> 00:32:02.360
 with

00:32:02.360 --> 00:32:02.440
 you

00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:02.620
 there

00:32:02.620 --> 00:32:02.860
 are

00:32:02.860 --> 00:32:03.680
 agnostics

00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:04.220
 part of

00:32:04.220 --> 00:32:04.380
 the

00:32:04.380 --> 00:32:04.660
 ID

00:32:04.660 --> 00:32:04.980
 crowd

00:32:04.980 --> 00:32:05.160
 there

00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:05.360
 are

00:32:05.360 --> 00:32:05.900
 Muslims

00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:06.780
 there

00:32:06.780 --> 00:32:07.400
 are

00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:10.000
 what's

00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:10.220
 up

00:32:10.220 --> 00:32:12.600
 I'm

00:32:12.600 --> 00:32:12.720
 sorry

00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:12.880
 say

00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:14.240
 yeah

00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:15.340
 yeah

00:32:15.340 --> 00:32:15.600
 I mean

00:32:15.600 --> 00:32:15.840
 there's

00:32:15.840 --> 00:32:16.680
 there's

00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:17.040
 just a

00:32:17.040 --> 00:32:17.280
 whole

00:32:17.280 --> 00:32:17.500
 bunch

00:32:17.500 --> 00:32:17.720
 there's

00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:17.840
 like

00:32:17.840 --> 00:32:18.880
 neoplatonists

00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:19.340
 as part

00:32:19.340 --> 00:32:19.660
 of it

00:32:19.660 --> 00:32:20.060
 you know

00:32:20.060 --> 00:32:20.560
 so

00:32:20.560 --> 00:32:20.740
 there's

00:32:20.740 --> 00:32:20.860
 like

00:32:20.860 --> 00:32:21.000
 a

00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:21.180
 whole

00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:21.660
 it's

00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:21.760
 a

00:32:21.760 --> 00:32:22.300
 hodgepodge

00:32:22.300 --> 00:32:22.940
 so

00:32:22.940 --> 00:32:23.360
 I

00:32:23.360 --> 00:32:23.600
 think

00:32:23.600 --> 00:32:23.880
 to

00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:24.300
 argue

00:32:24.300 --> 00:32:24.960
 that

00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:25.280
 it

00:32:25.280 --> 00:32:26.940
 is

00:32:26.940 --> 00:32:27.180
 sort

00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:27.340
 of

00:32:27.340 --> 00:32:27.680
 a

00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:28.640
 creationist

00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:29.380
 group

00:32:29.380 --> 00:32:29.800
 is

00:32:29.800 --> 00:32:30.000
 not

00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:30.580
 necessarily

00:32:30.580 --> 00:32:30.920
 true

00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:31.220
 although

00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:32.480
 the

00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:33.040
 implications

00:32:33.040 --> 00:32:34.040
 of

00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:34.319
 intelligent

00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:34.740
 design

00:32:34.740 --> 00:32:35.480
 really

00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:35.819
 point

00:32:35.819 --> 00:32:35.940
 to

00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:36.059
 the

00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:36.279
 fact

00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:36.399
 that

00:32:36.399 --> 00:32:36.559
 there

00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:36.960
 is

00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:37.519
 some

00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:37.700
 sort

00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:37.779
 of

00:32:37.779 --> 00:32:38.079
 intelligent

00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:38.379
 agent

00:32:38.379 --> 00:32:38.879
 so

00:32:38.879 --> 00:32:40.039
 you know

00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:40.379
 they would

00:32:40.379 --> 00:32:40.700
 argue

00:32:40.700 --> 00:32:42.279
 that

00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:42.940
 when they're

00:32:42.940 --> 00:32:43.339
 given the

00:32:43.339 --> 00:32:44.039
 charge of

00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:44.899
 creationism

00:32:44.899 --> 00:32:45.779
 that they

00:32:45.779 --> 00:32:46.240
 would say

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:46.579
 well

00:32:46.579 --> 00:32:47.059
 it doesn't

00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:47.259
 have to

00:32:47.259 --> 00:32:47.379
 be

00:32:47.379 --> 00:32:47.619
 God

00:32:47.619 --> 00:32:47.920
 it could

00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:48.220
 be

00:32:48.220 --> 00:32:48.779
 you know

00:32:48.779 --> 00:32:49.139
 like a

00:32:49.139 --> 00:32:49.359
 super

00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:49.759
 advanced

00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:50.180
 alien

00:32:50.180 --> 00:32:51.259
 right

00:32:51.259 --> 00:32:51.599
 that's

00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:51.879
 doing

00:32:51.879 --> 00:32:52.159
 it

00:32:52.159 --> 00:32:53.680
 but

00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:54.279
 really

00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:55.559
 when

00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:55.779
 we're

00:32:55.779 --> 00:32:56.039
 I mean

00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:56.319
 when we're

00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:56.639
 talking

00:32:56.639 --> 00:32:57.039
 about

00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:57.740
 the kinds

00:32:57.740 --> 00:32:57.879
 of

00:32:57.879 --> 00:32:58.159
 things

00:32:58.159 --> 00:32:58.480
 that

00:32:58.480 --> 00:32:59.059
 the

00:32:59.059 --> 00:32:59.359
 ID

00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:01.639
 movement

00:33:01.639 --> 00:33:02.200
 is saying

00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:02.940
 has been

00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:03.240
 done

00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:03.599
 in the

00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:03.839
 history

00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:04.000
 of

00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:04.419
 biology

00:33:04.419 --> 00:33:04.799
 it

00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:05.259
 looks

00:33:05.259 --> 00:33:05.480
 a lot

00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:05.699
 like

00:33:05.699 --> 00:33:05.899
 God

00:33:05.899 --> 00:33:06.419
 so

00:33:06.419 --> 00:33:07.399
 I

00:33:07.399 --> 00:33:07.899
 understand

00:33:07.899 --> 00:33:08.240
 the

00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:09.139
 sentiment

00:33:09.139 --> 00:33:09.480
 but we

00:33:09.480 --> 00:33:09.699
 want to

00:33:09.699 --> 00:33:10.079
 understand

00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:10.559
 what

00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:11.119
 the

00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:11.439
 movement

00:33:11.439 --> 00:33:11.799
 is

00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:12.019
 on

00:33:12.019 --> 00:33:12.159
 its

00:33:12.159 --> 00:33:12.480
 own

00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:12.919
 grounds

00:33:12.919 --> 00:33:13.599
 right

00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:14.000
 they

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:14.220
 would

00:33:14.220 --> 00:33:14.500
 never

00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:14.839
 argue

00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:15.059
 from

00:33:15.059 --> 00:33:15.379
 scripture

00:33:15.379 --> 00:33:16.359
 and

00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:16.500
 they

00:33:16.500 --> 00:33:16.679
 would

00:33:16.679 --> 00:33:17.000
 never

00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:18.159
 argue

00:33:18.159 --> 00:33:18.459
 from

00:33:18.459 --> 00:33:18.959
 theology

00:33:18.959 --> 00:33:19.439
 either

00:33:19.439 --> 00:33:20.899
 now

00:33:20.899 --> 00:33:21.959
 individual

00:33:21.959 --> 00:33:22.399
 ID

00:33:22.399 --> 00:33:23.339
 proponents

00:33:23.339 --> 00:33:24.519
 will say

00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.000
 yes

00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:26.419
 but I

00:33:26.419 --> 00:33:26.799
 also am

00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:26.899
 a

00:33:26.899 --> 00:33:27.240
 Christian

00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:27.899
 and so

00:33:27.899 --> 00:33:28.240
 to

00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:28.699
 Christians

00:33:28.699 --> 00:33:29.079
 they will

00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:29.579
 talk about

00:33:29.579 --> 00:33:30.039
 theology

00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:30.980
 and stuff

00:33:30.980 --> 00:33:31.299
 but not

00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:31.599
 as a

00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:32.419
 major part

00:33:32.420 --> 00:33:33.759
 of their

00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:34.240
 scientific

00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:34.840
 work

00:33:34.840 --> 00:33:36.400
 so they

00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:36.820
 do

00:33:36.820 --> 00:33:37.680
 take great

00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:37.980
 pains

00:33:37.980 --> 00:33:38.680
 to separate

00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:39.279
 theological

00:33:39.279 --> 00:33:40.000
 arguments

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:40.360
 from their

00:33:40.360 --> 00:33:40.720
 scientific

00:33:40.720 --> 00:33:41.160
 case

00:33:41.160 --> 00:33:43.160
 they don't

00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:43.340
 make

00:33:43.340 --> 00:33:43.840
 interpretations

00:33:43.840 --> 00:33:44.060
 of

00:33:44.060 --> 00:33:44.340
 Genesis

00:33:44.340 --> 00:33:45.460
 although

00:33:45.460 --> 00:33:46.720
 if you

00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:46.900
 were to

00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:47.200
 take a

00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:47.519
 poll

00:33:47.519 --> 00:33:48.220
 you would

00:33:48.220 --> 00:33:48.500
 find

00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:48.720
 that

00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:49.759
 most

00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.580
 Christians

00:33:52.580 --> 00:33:52.960
 who are

00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:53.180
 in the

00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:53.360
 ID

00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:53.700
 movement

00:33:53.700 --> 00:33:54.039
 would be

00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:54.300
 called

00:33:54.300 --> 00:33:55.500
 old earth

00:33:55.500 --> 00:33:56.259
 creationists

00:33:56.259 --> 00:33:57.440
 is the

00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:57.779
 general

00:33:57.779 --> 00:33:58.779
 field

00:33:58.779 --> 00:34:01.059
 and they're

00:34:01.059 --> 00:34:01.900
 not dedicated

00:34:01.900 --> 00:34:02.259
 to any

00:34:02.259 --> 00:34:02.819
 specific

00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:03.279
 designer

00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:04.339
 it could

00:34:04.339 --> 00:34:04.599
 be

00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:05.319
 anything

00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:05.879
 that has

00:34:05.879 --> 00:34:06.039
 the

00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:06.680
 power

00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:07.200
 and capacity

00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:07.720
 to design

00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:08.219
 which

00:34:08.219 --> 00:34:08.880
 in our

00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:09.500
 situation

00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:09.679
 let's

00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:10.880
 call this

00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.039
 guy

00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:11.300
 God

00:34:11.300 --> 00:34:13.599
 so

00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:14.460
 that's

00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:14.780
 intelligent

00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:15.239
 design

00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:18.920
 again

00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:19.519
 I'm

00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:19.880
 happy to

00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:20.159
 take any

00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:20.559
 questions

00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.019
 after

00:34:21.019 --> 00:34:22.559
 the lesson

00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:23.159
 or during

00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:23.579
 the lesson

00:34:23.579 --> 00:34:25.920
 but my

00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:26.880
 goal here

00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.299
 in this

00:34:28.299 --> 00:34:28.699
 class

00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:29.059
 is to

00:34:29.059 --> 00:34:29.920
 try to

00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:30.440
 present

00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:31.340
 what the

00:34:31.340 --> 00:34:31.759
 arguments

00:34:31.759 --> 00:34:32.279
 is that

00:34:32.279 --> 00:34:34.679
 each

00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:35.639
 side is

00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:35.900
 actually

00:34:35.900 --> 00:34:36.480
 presenting

00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:37.019
 for

00:34:37.019 --> 00:34:37.500
 themselves

00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:38.380
 and not

00:34:38.380 --> 00:34:39.739
 caricature

00:34:39.739 --> 00:34:40.019
 them

00:34:40.019 --> 00:34:42.480
 so that

00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:42.980
 is what

00:34:42.980 --> 00:34:43.659
 we're doing

00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:44.000
 today

00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:44.420
 is trying

00:34:44.420 --> 00:34:44.920
 not to

00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:45.460
 caricature

00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:46.840
 each

00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:47.159
 side

00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:47.599
 so

00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:48.519
 what is

00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:48.940
 theistic

00:34:48.940 --> 00:34:49.400
 evolution

00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:50.199
 so theistic

00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:50.619
 evolution

00:34:50.619 --> 00:34:51.159
 as you

00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:51.420
 might

00:34:51.420 --> 00:34:52.099
 imagine

00:34:52.099 --> 00:34:52.719
 has something

00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:53.019
 to do

00:34:53.019 --> 00:34:53.699
 with evolution

00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:55.019
 and something

00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:55.280
 to do

00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:55.679
 with God

00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:56.500
 as well

00:34:56.500 --> 00:34:57.579
 so what

00:34:57.579 --> 00:34:57.900
 theistic

00:34:57.900 --> 00:34:58.300
 evolution

00:34:58.300 --> 00:34:58.940
 is

00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:00.400
 it is

00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:01.320
 a movement

00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:02.860
 or actually

00:35:02.860 --> 00:35:03.259
 I shouldn't

00:35:03.259 --> 00:35:03.759
 say movement

00:35:03.759 --> 00:35:04.840
 it is a

00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:05.679
 theological

00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:07.219
 slash

00:35:07.219 --> 00:35:08.219
 philosophical

00:35:08.219 --> 00:35:09.519
 position

00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.400
 so

00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:13.659
 they don't

00:35:13.659 --> 00:35:14.059
 really

00:35:14.059 --> 00:35:15.280
 make

00:35:15.280 --> 00:35:16.340
 specific

00:35:16.340 --> 00:35:16.780
 scientific

00:35:16.780 --> 00:35:17.239
 claims

00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:18.860
 what they

00:35:18.860 --> 00:35:19.340
 do

00:35:19.340 --> 00:35:19.780
 is they

00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:20.380
 argue

00:35:20.380 --> 00:35:22.880
 that

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:23.980
 the

00:35:23.980 --> 00:35:25.180
 Darwinian

00:35:25.180 --> 00:35:25.539
 macro

00:35:25.539 --> 00:35:26.019
 evolution

00:35:26.019 --> 00:35:28.079
 is

00:35:28.079 --> 00:35:28.700
 compatible

00:35:28.700 --> 00:35:29.059
 with

00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:29.360
 theistic

00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:30.740
 belief

00:35:30.740 --> 00:35:31.680
 that's

00:35:31.680 --> 00:35:32.640
 the

00:35:32.640 --> 00:35:33.160
 through

00:35:33.160 --> 00:35:33.579
 line

00:35:33.579 --> 00:35:34.500
 in all

00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:34.780
 of the

00:35:34.780 --> 00:35:35.160
 different

00:35:35.160 --> 00:35:36.260
 sort of

00:35:36.260 --> 00:35:36.820
 groups

00:35:36.820 --> 00:35:37.280
 within

00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:37.860
 what could

00:35:37.860 --> 00:35:38.260
 be called

00:35:38.260 --> 00:35:38.579
 theistic

00:35:38.579 --> 00:35:38.940
 evolution

00:35:38.940 --> 00:35:39.260
 because the

00:35:39.260 --> 00:35:39.559
 problem

00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:39.840
 is

00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:40.800
 unlike

00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:41.720
 ID

00:35:41.720 --> 00:35:42.980
 which is

00:35:42.980 --> 00:35:43.940
 a specific

00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:44.519
 thing

00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:45.140
 you know

00:35:45.140 --> 00:35:45.700
 it's ID

00:35:45.700 --> 00:35:46.260
 trademark

00:35:46.260 --> 00:35:47.220
 there are

00:35:47.220 --> 00:35:47.800
 groups

00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:48.500
 saying like

00:35:48.500 --> 00:35:49.060
 we are

00:35:49.060 --> 00:35:49.500
 part of

00:35:49.500 --> 00:35:49.620
 the

00:35:49.620 --> 00:35:49.960
 intelligent

00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:50.300
 design

00:35:50.300 --> 00:35:50.660
 movement

00:35:50.660 --> 00:35:51.600
 they have

00:35:51.600 --> 00:35:52.400
 institutions

00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:52.940
 etc

00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:54.180
 theistic

00:35:54.180 --> 00:35:54.480
 evolution

00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:55.180
 isn't like

00:35:55.180 --> 00:35:55.400
 that

00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:55.860
 it's not

00:35:55.860 --> 00:35:56.600
 a group

00:35:56.600 --> 00:35:57.520
 you know

00:35:57.520 --> 00:35:57.860
 it's not

00:35:57.860 --> 00:35:58.220
 like

00:35:58.220 --> 00:36:00.640
 there isn't

00:36:00.640 --> 00:36:01.220
 the theistic

00:36:01.220 --> 00:36:01.680
 evolution

00:36:01.680 --> 00:36:02.840
 center

00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:03.580
 right

00:36:03.580 --> 00:36:04.380
 it's a

00:36:04.380 --> 00:36:04.840
 position

00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:05.180
 it's a

00:36:05.180 --> 00:36:05.820
 philosophical

00:36:05.820 --> 00:36:06.580
 position

00:36:06.580 --> 00:36:07.320
 and what

00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:07.800
 that means

00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:08.040
 is that

00:36:08.040 --> 00:36:08.200
 there's

00:36:08.200 --> 00:36:08.420
 like a

00:36:08.420 --> 00:36:08.820
 huge

00:36:08.820 --> 00:36:09.380
 super

00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:10.100
 broad

00:36:10.100 --> 00:36:10.820
 category

00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:11.840
 of

00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:12.180
 different

00:36:12.180 --> 00:36:12.720
 views

00:36:12.720 --> 00:36:13.720
 that could

00:36:13.720 --> 00:36:14.020
 be

00:36:14.020 --> 00:36:14.560
 identified

00:36:14.560 --> 00:36:14.860
 as

00:36:14.860 --> 00:36:15.200
 theistic

00:36:15.200 --> 00:36:15.760
 evolutionary

00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:16.600
 right

00:36:16.600 --> 00:36:18.160
 so

00:36:18.160 --> 00:36:20.320
 and

00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:20.740
 depending

00:36:20.740 --> 00:36:21.360
 on

00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:21.920
 where

00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:22.540
 you are

00:36:22.540 --> 00:36:23.000
 on that

00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:23.440
 spectrum

00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:23.820
 within

00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:24.180
 theistic

00:36:24.180 --> 00:36:24.500
 evolution

00:36:24.500 --> 00:36:24.780
 you're

00:36:24.780 --> 00:36:24.940
 going to

00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:25.100
 get

00:36:25.100 --> 00:36:25.980
 very

00:36:25.980 --> 00:36:26.580
 different

00:36:26.580 --> 00:36:28.340
 interpretations

00:36:28.340 --> 00:36:29.180
 different

00:36:29.180 --> 00:36:30.500
 ways that

00:36:30.500 --> 00:36:30.800
 this is

00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:30.980
 going to

00:36:30.980 --> 00:36:31.660
 play out

00:36:31.660 --> 00:36:32.520
 in

00:36:32.520 --> 00:36:33.980
 in your

00:36:33.980 --> 00:36:34.460
 arguments

00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:36.980
 so

00:36:36.980 --> 00:36:38.560
 just to

00:36:38.560 --> 00:36:38.860
 give you

00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:40.140
 a small

00:36:40.140 --> 00:36:40.720
 taste of

00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:41.060
 the different

00:36:41.060 --> 00:36:41.960
 forms of

00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:42.540
 theistic

00:36:42.540 --> 00:36:42.980
 evolutionary

00:36:42.980 --> 00:36:43.600
 thought

00:36:43.600 --> 00:36:44.100
 you have

00:36:44.100 --> 00:36:45.160
 people who

00:36:45.160 --> 00:36:45.500
 argue

00:36:45.500 --> 00:36:45.860
 that

00:36:45.860 --> 00:36:47.000
 for

00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:47.260
 something

00:36:47.260 --> 00:36:47.480
 that

00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:47.659
 could

00:36:47.659 --> 00:36:47.840
 be

00:36:47.840 --> 00:36:48.199
 called

00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:48.920
 evolutionary

00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:49.599
 design

00:36:49.599 --> 00:36:50.920
 right

00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:52.239
 you could

00:36:52.239 --> 00:36:52.519
 have

00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:53.400
 a group

00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:53.960
 that argues

00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:54.239
 for

00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:54.699
 evolutionary

00:36:54.699 --> 00:36:55.340
 creation

00:36:55.340 --> 00:36:56.179
 which is

00:36:56.179 --> 00:36:56.480
 that

00:36:56.480 --> 00:36:56.739
 that

00:36:56.739 --> 00:36:57.539
 that is

00:36:57.539 --> 00:36:57.960
 associated

00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.260
 with the

00:36:58.260 --> 00:36:58.960
 biologos

00:36:58.960 --> 00:36:59.820
 consortium

00:36:59.820 --> 00:37:01.280
 evolutionary

00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:01.840
 creation

00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:02.739
 tends

00:37:02.739 --> 00:37:03.280
 to

00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:04.860
 disagree

00:37:04.860 --> 00:37:05.280
 with

00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:05.780
 the

00:37:05.780 --> 00:37:06.960
 evolutionary

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.599
 design

00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:08.199
 arguments

00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:09.500
 and I'll

00:37:09.500 --> 00:37:10.139
 explain that

00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:10.500
 in a second

00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:11.119
 you also

00:37:11.119 --> 00:37:11.460
 have

00:37:11.460 --> 00:37:12.079
 theistic

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:12.539
 evolutionists

00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:13.420
 to hold

00:37:13.420 --> 00:37:13.800
 a

00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:14.279
 deistic

00:37:14.279 --> 00:37:15.219
 worldview

00:37:15.219 --> 00:37:15.920
 about

00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:16.800
 the fact

00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.179
 that

00:37:17.179 --> 00:37:18.800
 God

00:37:18.800 --> 00:37:19.059
 set

00:37:19.059 --> 00:37:19.199
 the

00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:19.460
 clock

00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:19.759
 and

00:37:19.759 --> 00:37:20.719
 walked

00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:21.019
 away

00:37:21.019 --> 00:37:21.279
 and

00:37:21.279 --> 00:37:21.699
 that's

00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:21.960
 all there

00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:22.259
 is to

00:37:22.259 --> 00:37:22.480
 it

00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:22.779
 right

00:37:22.779 --> 00:37:24.000
 so

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:24.500
 I mean

00:37:24.500 --> 00:37:24.900
 these are

00:37:24.900 --> 00:37:25.860
 primarily

00:37:25.860 --> 00:37:26.360
 descriptors

00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:26.940
 that I'm

00:37:26.940 --> 00:37:28.179
 presenting

00:37:28.179 --> 00:37:29.739
 one of

00:37:29.739 --> 00:37:30.259
 the difficulties

00:37:30.259 --> 00:37:31.460
 with a

00:37:31.460 --> 00:37:31.980
 philosophical

00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:32.440
 position

00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:32.819
 is that

00:37:32.819 --> 00:37:33.219
 a lot

00:37:33.219 --> 00:37:33.519
 of times

00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:33.859
 they don't

00:37:33.859 --> 00:37:34.099
 really

00:37:34.099 --> 00:37:34.899
 define

00:37:34.899 --> 00:37:35.079
 their

00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:35.399
 terms

00:37:35.399 --> 00:37:36.059
 correctly

00:37:36.059 --> 00:37:36.299
 or

00:37:36.299 --> 00:37:36.919
 differentiate

00:37:36.919 --> 00:37:37.399
 themselves

00:37:37.399 --> 00:37:37.839
 from other

00:37:37.839 --> 00:37:38.339
 groups

00:37:38.339 --> 00:37:38.599
 so

00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:39.099
 I'm

00:37:39.099 --> 00:37:39.279
 trying

00:37:39.279 --> 00:37:39.460
 to

00:37:39.460 --> 00:37:39.899
 bring

00:37:39.899 --> 00:37:40.179
 clarity

00:37:40.179 --> 00:37:40.440
 yeah

00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:45.399
 yeah

00:37:45.399 --> 00:37:45.940
 sorry

00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:47.699
 so this

00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:48.000
 is

00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:48.759
 sort of

00:37:48.759 --> 00:37:49.679
 a

00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:50.579
 term

00:37:50.579 --> 00:37:51.599
 primarily

00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:52.339
 used

00:37:52.339 --> 00:37:53.279
 by

00:37:53.279 --> 00:37:53.739
 Christians

00:37:53.739 --> 00:37:55.759
 and it's

00:37:55.759 --> 00:37:56.399
 to

00:37:56.399 --> 00:37:57.039
 differentiate

00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:57.399
 the

00:37:57.399 --> 00:37:57.679
 different

00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:58.199
 kinds

00:37:58.199 --> 00:37:58.339
 of

00:37:58.339 --> 00:37:58.759
 evolution

00:37:58.759 --> 00:37:59.779
 evolutionary

00:37:59.779 --> 00:38:00.179
 theory

00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:00.579
 so

00:38:00.579 --> 00:38:03.539
 Darwinian

00:38:03.539 --> 00:38:04.679
 indicates

00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:05.279
 that

00:38:05.279 --> 00:38:05.719
 the

00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:06.419
 mechanism

00:38:06.419 --> 00:38:06.959
 by which

00:38:06.959 --> 00:38:07.179
 the

00:38:07.179 --> 00:38:07.639
 evolution

00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:08.359
 occurs

00:38:08.359 --> 00:38:09.079
 the

00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:09.719
 transition

00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:10.259
 of

00:38:10.259 --> 00:38:11.119
 species

00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:11.459
 into

00:38:11.459 --> 00:38:11.779
 other

00:38:11.779 --> 00:38:12.299
 species

00:38:12.299 --> 00:38:13.459
 into

00:38:13.459 --> 00:38:13.939
 different

00:38:13.939 --> 00:38:14.479
 animal

00:38:14.479 --> 00:38:15.139
 forms

00:38:15.139 --> 00:38:15.859
 the

00:38:15.859 --> 00:38:16.479
 method

00:38:16.479 --> 00:38:17.000
 by which

00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:17.259
 or the

00:38:17.259 --> 00:38:17.599
 mechanism

00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:17.959
 by which

00:38:17.959 --> 00:38:18.119
 that

00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:18.439
 happens

00:38:18.439 --> 00:38:18.639
 is

00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:19.000
 natural

00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:19.559
 selection

00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:20.979
 and

00:38:20.979 --> 00:38:21.519
 adaptation

00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:22.480
 well

00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:23.300
 neo-Darwinism

00:38:23.300 --> 00:38:23.599
 would say

00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:24.739
 there's also

00:38:24.739 --> 00:38:26.139
 the component

00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:26.639
 of genetic

00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:27.199
 mutations

00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:27.759
 is part

00:38:27.759 --> 00:38:28.000
 of that

00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:28.340
 genetic

00:38:28.340 --> 00:38:28.840
 mutations

00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:29.400
 on top

00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:30.059
 of

00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:30.880
 natural

00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:31.300
 selection

00:38:31.300 --> 00:38:31.800
 basically

00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:33.039
 random

00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:34.019
 changes

00:38:34.019 --> 00:38:34.840
 in the

00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:35.239
 genome

00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:36.000
 are then

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.320
 sort of

00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:38.179
 weeded out

00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:39.039
 by nature

00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:39.559
 itself

00:38:39.559 --> 00:38:40.119
 right

00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:40.360
 so

00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:40.980
 if you

00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:41.259
 have a

00:38:41.259 --> 00:38:41.460
 random

00:38:41.460 --> 00:38:41.780
 genetic

00:38:41.780 --> 00:38:42.280
 variation

00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:42.800
 that makes

00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:42.980
 you

00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:43.400
 better

00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:44.940
 slightly

00:38:44.940 --> 00:38:45.360
 better

00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:45.619
 at

00:38:45.619 --> 00:38:46.259
 digesting

00:38:46.259 --> 00:38:47.079
 a nut

00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:47.980
 and

00:38:47.980 --> 00:38:48.739
 you're

00:38:48.739 --> 00:38:49.259
 in this

00:38:49.259 --> 00:38:50.519
 environment

00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:51.259
 that has

00:38:51.260 --> 00:38:51.620
 like a

00:38:51.620 --> 00:38:51.920
 whole

00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:52.260
 bunch

00:38:52.260 --> 00:38:52.400
 of

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:52.540
 these

00:38:52.540 --> 00:38:52.820
 different

00:38:52.820 --> 00:38:53.200
 nuts

00:38:53.200 --> 00:38:53.800
 then

00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:53.960
 you're

00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:54.040
 going

00:38:54.040 --> 00:38:54.200
 to be

00:38:54.200 --> 00:38:54.480
 better

00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:55.020
 fed

00:38:55.020 --> 00:38:55.500
 than

00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:55.900
 the

00:38:55.900 --> 00:38:56.100
 other

00:38:56.100 --> 00:38:56.380
 members

00:38:56.380 --> 00:38:56.500
 of

00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:56.600
 the

00:38:56.600 --> 00:38:57.160
 population

00:38:57.160 --> 00:38:58.140
 and

00:38:58.140 --> 00:38:58.360
 then

00:38:58.360 --> 00:38:58.660
 that

00:38:58.660 --> 00:38:58.980
 means

00:38:58.980 --> 00:38:59.480
 you

00:38:59.480 --> 00:38:59.660
 will

00:38:59.660 --> 00:38:59.840
 out

00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:00.240
 compete

00:39:00.240 --> 00:39:00.640
 them

00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:01.240
 in terms

00:39:01.240 --> 00:39:01.640
 of

00:39:01.640 --> 00:39:02.940
 breeding

00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:03.400
 etc

00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:03.800
 and over

00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:04.280
 time

00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:04.820
 that

00:39:04.820 --> 00:39:06.200
 genetic

00:39:06.200 --> 00:39:06.880
 marker

00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:07.420
 essentially

00:39:07.420 --> 00:39:07.920
 becomes

00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:08.440
 dominant

00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:09.100
 and

00:39:09.100 --> 00:39:09.320
 this

00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:09.720
 happens

00:39:09.720 --> 00:39:10.180
 over

00:39:10.180 --> 00:39:10.660
 and over

00:39:10.660 --> 00:39:10.980
 and over

00:39:10.980 --> 00:39:11.280
 again

00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:12.020
 and over

00:39:12.020 --> 00:39:12.580
 time

00:39:12.580 --> 00:39:13.500
 these

00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:13.920
 small

00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:14.460
 changes

00:39:14.460 --> 00:39:15.340
 make

00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:15.740
 big

00:39:15.740 --> 00:39:16.200
 changes

00:39:16.200 --> 00:39:16.480
 so

00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:16.720
 that's

00:39:16.720 --> 00:39:16.880
 what

00:39:16.880 --> 00:39:17.100
 the

00:39:17.100 --> 00:39:17.680
 macro

00:39:17.680 --> 00:39:18.460
 in the

00:39:18.460 --> 00:39:18.780
 macro

00:39:18.780 --> 00:39:19.140
 evolution

00:39:19.140 --> 00:39:19.380
 is

00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:20.340
 talking

00:39:20.340 --> 00:39:20.720
 about

00:39:20.719 --> 00:39:21.079
 macro

00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:21.439
 evolution

00:39:21.439 --> 00:39:22.579
 is

00:39:22.579 --> 00:39:24.000
 talking

00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:24.379
 about

00:39:24.379 --> 00:39:24.919
 the

00:39:24.919 --> 00:39:25.359
 common

00:39:25.359 --> 00:39:26.000
 ancestry

00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:26.359
 of

00:39:26.359 --> 00:39:26.859
 all

00:39:26.859 --> 00:39:27.819
 biological

00:39:27.819 --> 00:39:28.759
 forms

00:39:28.759 --> 00:39:29.919
 starting

00:39:29.919 --> 00:39:30.339
 from

00:39:30.339 --> 00:39:31.159
 single

00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:31.879
 celled

00:39:31.879 --> 00:39:32.759
 all the

00:39:32.759 --> 00:39:32.959
 way

00:39:32.959 --> 00:39:33.419
 through

00:39:33.419 --> 00:39:34.099
 there's

00:39:34.099 --> 00:39:34.279
 a

00:39:34.279 --> 00:39:34.980
 branch

00:39:34.980 --> 00:39:36.019
 of

00:39:36.019 --> 00:39:36.679
 ancestry

00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.659
 going

00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:37.959
 through

00:39:37.959 --> 00:39:38.139
 that

00:39:38.139 --> 00:39:38.339
 we're

00:39:38.339 --> 00:39:38.519
 all

00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:38.819
 connected

00:39:38.819 --> 00:39:39.199
 through

00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:39.719
 this

00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:41.399
 Darwinian

00:39:41.399 --> 00:39:41.919
 mechanism

00:39:41.919 --> 00:39:42.719
 now

00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:43.199
 scientists

00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:43.539
 don't use

00:39:43.539 --> 00:39:43.859
 the word

00:39:43.859 --> 00:39:44.179
 macro

00:39:44.179 --> 00:39:44.559
 evolution

00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:45.860
 scientists

00:39:45.860 --> 00:39:46.059
 would

00:39:46.059 --> 00:39:46.199
 just

00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:46.320
 say

00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:46.779
 evolution

00:39:46.779 --> 00:39:47.559
 right

00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:48.579
 we

00:39:48.579 --> 00:39:49.219
 in the

00:39:49.219 --> 00:39:49.440
 Christian

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:49.900
 community

00:39:49.900 --> 00:39:50.559
 often

00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:50.860
 use

00:39:50.860 --> 00:39:51.019
 the

00:39:51.019 --> 00:39:51.360
 term

00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:51.679
 macro

00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:52.039
 evolution

00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:52.559
 to

00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:54.059
 differentiate

00:39:54.059 --> 00:39:55.480
 the

00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:56.099
 big

00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:56.460
 sort of

00:39:56.460 --> 00:39:56.980
 world view

00:39:56.980 --> 00:39:57.519
 picture

00:39:57.519 --> 00:39:58.440
 of

00:39:58.440 --> 00:39:59.039
 Darwinism

00:39:59.039 --> 00:39:59.579
 from

00:39:59.579 --> 00:40:00.199
 micro

00:40:00.199 --> 00:40:00.699
 evolution

00:40:00.699 --> 00:40:01.940
 which is

00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:02.159
 again

00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:02.400
 another

00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:02.779
 Christian

00:40:02.779 --> 00:40:04.119
 mostly a

00:40:04.119 --> 00:40:04.340
 Christian

00:40:04.340 --> 00:40:04.699
 term

00:40:04.699 --> 00:40:05.519
 which is

00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.159
 talking

00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:07.699
 about how

00:40:07.699 --> 00:40:08.299
 that mechanism

00:40:08.299 --> 00:40:09.039
 works in

00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:10.340
 small scale

00:40:10.340 --> 00:40:10.860
 and discrete

00:40:10.860 --> 00:40:11.480
 places that

00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:11.699
 we can

00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:12.360
 actually see

00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:13.220
 so

00:40:13.220 --> 00:40:14.160
 basically

00:40:14.160 --> 00:40:14.900
 nobody

00:40:14.900 --> 00:40:16.320
 argues that

00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:17.079
 micro evolution

00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:17.840
 doesn't happen

00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:18.800
 and what

00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.320
 micro evolution

00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:20.059
 is is what

00:40:20.059 --> 00:40:20.300
 I just

00:40:20.300 --> 00:40:20.720
 described

00:40:20.720 --> 00:40:21.760
 that you

00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:22.019
 have a

00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:22.460
 mutation

00:40:22.460 --> 00:40:23.740
 you know

00:40:23.740 --> 00:40:24.860
 it makes

00:40:24.860 --> 00:40:25.640
 the bird

00:40:25.640 --> 00:40:26.220
 better at

00:40:26.220 --> 00:40:26.579
 eating a

00:40:26.579 --> 00:40:26.800
 nut

00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:28.079
 and the

00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:28.340
 bird

00:40:28.340 --> 00:40:30.000
 proliferates

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:30.440
 and that

00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:31.000
 genetic

00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:32.180
 marker

00:40:32.180 --> 00:40:32.940
 is expanded

00:40:32.940 --> 00:40:33.500
 that is

00:40:33.500 --> 00:40:34.059
 micro evolution

00:40:34.059 --> 00:40:34.559
 something we

00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:35.420
 can test

00:40:35.420 --> 00:40:36.260
 in nature

00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:36.559
 and that's

00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:37.059
 what really

00:40:37.059 --> 00:40:39.240
 the pioneering

00:40:39.240 --> 00:40:40.880
 thought of

00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.420
 Charles Darwin

00:40:41.420 --> 00:40:42.820
 was this

00:40:42.820 --> 00:40:43.340
 idea that

00:40:43.340 --> 00:40:44.139
 adaptation

00:40:44.139 --> 00:40:44.920
 and natural

00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:45.440
 selection

00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:46.940
 can make

00:40:46.940 --> 00:40:47.599
 these changes

00:40:47.599 --> 00:40:47.940
 that can

00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:49.240
 explain these

00:40:49.240 --> 00:40:50.340
 morphological

00:40:50.340 --> 00:40:50.760
 changes

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.159
 and what

00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:53.000
 Christians often

00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.000
 argue is that

00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:54.840
 micro evolution

00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:56.420
 is true

00:40:56.420 --> 00:40:57.559
 but you can't

00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:58.820
 extrapolate the

00:40:58.820 --> 00:40:59.519
 micro evolution

00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:00.619
 into the past

00:41:00.619 --> 00:41:01.220
 to make the

00:41:01.220 --> 00:41:02.099
 big worldview

00:41:02.099 --> 00:41:02.700
 picture that we

00:41:02.700 --> 00:41:03.599
 call micro evolution

00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:04.599
 but scientists

00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.220
 would just call

00:41:06.220 --> 00:41:07.019
 everything evolution

00:41:07.019 --> 00:41:07.500
 right

00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:08.559
 so

00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:09.559
 so

00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:10.480
 the reason

00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:10.920
 I use

00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:11.360
 that term

00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:11.799
 here

00:41:11.799 --> 00:41:13.179
 is because

00:41:13.179 --> 00:41:14.199
 if I were

00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:14.759
 to say

00:41:14.759 --> 00:41:17.420
 theistic

00:41:17.420 --> 00:41:18.019
 evolutionists

00:41:18.019 --> 00:41:18.739
 argue that

00:41:18.739 --> 00:41:19.539
 evolution is

00:41:19.539 --> 00:41:20.099
 compatible with

00:41:20.099 --> 00:41:20.699
 theistic belief

00:41:20.699 --> 00:41:21.239
 it's too

00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:21.659
 broad

00:41:21.659 --> 00:41:22.820
 because

00:41:22.820 --> 00:41:24.739
 most creationists

00:41:24.739 --> 00:41:26.059
 almost all

00:41:26.059 --> 00:41:26.539
 stripe

00:41:26.539 --> 00:41:27.679
 would argue

00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:28.279
 that some

00:41:28.279 --> 00:41:28.920
 evolution is

00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:29.699
 compatible with

00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:31.739
 theistic

00:41:31.739 --> 00:41:32.119
 belief

00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.139
 in fact I

00:41:34.139 --> 00:41:34.380
 would say

00:41:34.380 --> 00:41:35.420
 almost everybody

00:41:35.420 --> 00:41:36.380
 says that

00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:37.099
 some form of

00:41:37.099 --> 00:41:37.440
 evolution

00:41:37.440 --> 00:41:37.920
 the argument

00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:38.739
 is what

00:41:38.739 --> 00:41:39.380
 kind of

00:41:39.380 --> 00:41:39.699
 evolution

00:41:39.699 --> 00:41:40.179
 what shape

00:41:40.179 --> 00:41:40.420
 does it

00:41:40.420 --> 00:41:40.679
 take

00:41:40.679 --> 00:41:41.860
 and what's

00:41:41.860 --> 00:41:42.219
 interesting

00:41:42.219 --> 00:41:42.900
 about theistic

00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:43.279
 evolution

00:41:43.279 --> 00:41:43.679
 what sets

00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:44.199
 it apart

00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:44.599
 is they

00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:45.199
 argue that

00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.460
 this specific

00:41:47.460 --> 00:41:48.179
 Darwinian

00:41:48.179 --> 00:41:49.119
 macro evolutionary

00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:49.719
 model

00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.579
 is compatible

00:41:52.579 --> 00:41:53.119
 with theistic

00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:53.400
 belief

00:41:53.400 --> 00:41:54.539
 and that

00:41:54.539 --> 00:41:56.219
 argument has

00:41:56.219 --> 00:41:56.579
 its own

00:41:56.579 --> 00:41:57.079
 discrete

00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:58.679
 tensions

00:41:58.679 --> 00:41:59.460
 with Christianity

00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:00.699
 specifically

00:42:00.699 --> 00:42:01.460
 you know

00:42:01.460 --> 00:42:02.639
 this descent

00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:03.179
 of man

00:42:03.179 --> 00:42:05.079
 is one of

00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:05.339
 the big

00:42:05.339 --> 00:42:05.980
 sticking points

00:42:05.980 --> 00:42:06.420
 there

00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:09.079
 another

00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:10.199
 problem that

00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:10.619
 many people

00:42:10.619 --> 00:42:11.400
 have is

00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:12.460
 with animal

00:42:12.460 --> 00:42:12.960
 death

00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:13.820
 before the

00:42:13.820 --> 00:42:14.159
 fall

00:42:14.159 --> 00:42:14.519
 what does

00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:14.980
 that look

00:42:14.980 --> 00:42:15.340
 like

00:42:15.340 --> 00:42:15.980
 how old

00:42:15.980 --> 00:42:16.300
 is the

00:42:16.300 --> 00:42:16.659
 earth

00:42:16.659 --> 00:42:17.559
 Darwinian

00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:17.780
 macro

00:42:17.780 --> 00:42:18.079
 evolution

00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:18.719
 assumes a

00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:19.240
 very old

00:42:19.240 --> 00:42:19.579
 earth

00:42:19.579 --> 00:42:20.760
 has to

00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:21.280
 otherwise

00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:21.659
 it doesn't

00:42:21.659 --> 00:42:22.000
 work

00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:22.820
 and so

00:42:22.820 --> 00:42:23.380
 if you

00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:24.059
 are a

00:42:24.059 --> 00:42:24.240
 young

00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:24.440
 earth

00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:24.900
 creationist

00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:25.139
 then you're

00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:25.240
 going to

00:42:25.240 --> 00:42:25.659
 be like

00:42:25.659 --> 00:42:26.179
 that doesn't

00:42:26.179 --> 00:42:26.460
 work

00:42:26.460 --> 00:42:26.880
 right

00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:28.000
 so

00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:29.519
 this is

00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:30.840
 sort of a

00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:31.300
 term of

00:42:31.300 --> 00:42:31.820
 art that I'm

00:42:31.820 --> 00:42:32.240
 using and I'm

00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:32.619
 glad that you

00:42:32.619 --> 00:42:33.019
 asked me to

00:42:33.019 --> 00:42:33.599
 explain it

00:42:33.599 --> 00:42:35.400
 because I'm

00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:36.500
 in this stuff

00:42:36.500 --> 00:42:36.900
 so much

00:42:36.900 --> 00:42:37.759
 that I just

00:42:37.759 --> 00:42:39.699
 what's jargon

00:42:39.699 --> 00:42:40.119
 and what isn't

00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:40.639
 it just kind of

00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:41.119
 flies over my

00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:41.299
 head

00:42:41.299 --> 00:42:41.619
 so

00:42:41.619 --> 00:42:45.079
 basically what

00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:46.299
 differentiates

00:42:46.299 --> 00:42:47.059
 the different

00:42:47.059 --> 00:42:48.619
 sort of

00:42:48.619 --> 00:42:49.940
 views within

00:42:49.940 --> 00:42:51.599
 theistic evolution

00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:52.839
 is to what

00:42:52.839 --> 00:42:54.019
 extent we can

00:42:54.019 --> 00:42:54.719
 say that

00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:55.539
 evolution is

00:42:55.539 --> 00:42:55.960
 directed

00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.719
 so if you're

00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:58.219
 somebody who

00:42:58.219 --> 00:42:59.239
 argues for an

00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:00.500
 evolutionary design

00:43:00.500 --> 00:43:01.860
 argument

00:43:01.860 --> 00:43:02.500
 then you

00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:02.780
 would be

00:43:02.780 --> 00:43:03.059
 more

00:43:03.059 --> 00:43:03.440
 comfortable

00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:04.099
 saying that

00:43:04.099 --> 00:43:04.620
 God

00:43:04.620 --> 00:43:06.000
 set up

00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:06.820
 this

00:43:06.820 --> 00:43:07.480
 evolutionary

00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:08.000
 paradigm

00:43:08.000 --> 00:43:09.000
 to

00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:10.840
 create

00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:11.640
 a specific

00:43:11.640 --> 00:43:12.099
 end

00:43:12.099 --> 00:43:13.720
 he had

00:43:13.720 --> 00:43:14.500
 this end

00:43:14.500 --> 00:43:15.579
 the world

00:43:15.579 --> 00:43:16.300
 right now

00:43:16.300 --> 00:43:17.019
 well

00:43:17.019 --> 00:43:17.960
 the world

00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:19.039
 pre-fall

00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:19.720
 let's say

00:43:19.720 --> 00:43:20.620
 but the world

00:43:20.620 --> 00:43:21.440
 that resulted

00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:22.099
 pre-fall

00:43:22.099 --> 00:43:22.860
 that was

00:43:22.860 --> 00:43:23.180
 God's

00:43:23.180 --> 00:43:23.559
 intention

00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:24.760
 and through

00:43:24.760 --> 00:43:25.340
 providence

00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:26.240
 God created

00:43:26.240 --> 00:43:26.900
 that

00:43:26.900 --> 00:43:27.360
 we can say

00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:27.820
 God created

00:43:27.820 --> 00:43:28.220
 that even

00:43:28.220 --> 00:43:28.660
 though

00:43:28.660 --> 00:43:30.200
 mechanistically

00:43:30.200 --> 00:43:30.720
 there's this

00:43:30.720 --> 00:43:31.180
 natural

00:43:31.179 --> 00:43:31.879
 system

00:43:31.879 --> 00:43:32.799
 producing it

00:43:32.799 --> 00:43:33.460
 now an

00:43:33.460 --> 00:43:33.859
 evolutionary

00:43:33.859 --> 00:43:34.799
 creationist

00:43:34.799 --> 00:43:35.739
 sort of

00:43:35.739 --> 00:43:35.960
 on the

00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:36.500
 biologus

00:43:36.500 --> 00:43:36.759
 form

00:43:36.759 --> 00:43:37.279
 would be

00:43:37.279 --> 00:43:37.659
 a little

00:43:37.659 --> 00:43:37.919
 less

00:43:37.919 --> 00:43:38.219
 comfortable

00:43:38.219 --> 00:43:38.599
 with that

00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:39.799
 they wouldn't

00:43:39.799 --> 00:43:40.219
 be so

00:43:40.219 --> 00:43:40.559
 comfortable

00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:41.059
 saying that

00:43:41.059 --> 00:43:41.359
 God

00:43:41.359 --> 00:43:42.799
 specifically

00:43:42.799 --> 00:43:43.279
 meant for

00:43:43.279 --> 00:43:43.619
 this

00:43:43.619 --> 00:43:44.539
 particular

00:43:44.539 --> 00:43:46.000
 creation

00:43:46.000 --> 00:43:46.259
 at the

00:43:46.259 --> 00:43:46.460
 end

00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:47.139
 just that

00:43:47.139 --> 00:43:47.399
 God

00:43:47.399 --> 00:43:47.940
 used

00:43:47.940 --> 00:43:48.259
 evolution

00:43:48.259 --> 00:43:48.460
 to

00:43:48.460 --> 00:43:48.819
 create

00:43:48.819 --> 00:43:49.799
 something

00:43:49.799 --> 00:43:50.219
 like

00:43:50.219 --> 00:43:50.659
 this

00:43:50.659 --> 00:43:51.619
 and

00:43:51.619 --> 00:43:51.839
 then

00:43:51.839 --> 00:43:52.239
 if you

00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:52.619
 go all

00:43:52.619 --> 00:43:52.859
 the way

00:43:52.859 --> 00:43:53.059
 other

00:43:53.059 --> 00:43:53.719
 to the

00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:53.919
 other

00:43:53.919 --> 00:43:54.099
 end

00:43:54.099 --> 00:43:54.279
 of the

00:43:54.279 --> 00:43:54.559
 spectrum

00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:54.919
 on the

00:43:54.919 --> 00:43:55.259
 deistic

00:43:55.259 --> 00:43:55.759
 side

00:43:55.759 --> 00:43:56.460
 now

00:43:56.460 --> 00:43:57.000
 sorry

00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:57.239
 I should

00:43:57.239 --> 00:43:58.000
 be clear

00:43:58.000 --> 00:43:58.539
 biologus

00:43:58.539 --> 00:43:59.019
 is also

00:43:59.019 --> 00:43:59.599
 its own

00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:00.559
 big

00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:01.099
 spectrum

00:44:01.099 --> 00:44:01.299
 of

00:44:01.299 --> 00:44:01.539
 different

00:44:01.539 --> 00:44:01.900
 beliefs

00:44:01.900 --> 00:44:02.179
 I'm

00:44:02.179 --> 00:44:02.299
 just

00:44:02.299 --> 00:44:02.460
 trying

00:44:02.460 --> 00:44:03.039
 to

00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:03.539
 paint

00:44:03.539 --> 00:44:03.779
 with a

00:44:03.779 --> 00:44:03.960
 broad

00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:04.320
 brush

00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:06.659
 if you're

00:44:06.659 --> 00:44:06.920
 on the

00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:07.179
 way

00:44:07.179 --> 00:44:07.500
 other end

00:44:07.500 --> 00:44:07.679
 of the

00:44:07.679 --> 00:44:07.980
 deistic

00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:08.320
 view

00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:09.980
 God

00:44:09.980 --> 00:44:11.340
 didn't

00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:11.539
 really

00:44:11.539 --> 00:44:11.779
 even

00:44:11.779 --> 00:44:12.039
 care

00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:12.960
 what

00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:13.739
 came

00:44:13.739 --> 00:44:14.039
 out

00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:14.320
 right

00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:14.599
 he's

00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:14.719
 just

00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:14.880
 like

00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:15.239
 I'm

00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:15.679
 creating

00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:16.000
 and look

00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:16.420
 oh man

00:44:16.420 --> 00:44:16.579
 this

00:44:16.579 --> 00:44:17.019
 mechanism

00:44:17.019 --> 00:44:17.699
 look at

00:44:17.699 --> 00:44:17.860
 that

00:44:17.860 --> 00:44:18.000
 it's

00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:18.179
 creating

00:44:18.179 --> 00:44:18.500
 stuff

00:44:18.500 --> 00:44:20.340
 so

00:44:20.340 --> 00:44:21.779
 and then

00:44:21.779 --> 00:44:22.179
 maybe

00:44:22.179 --> 00:44:22.460
 that's

00:44:22.460 --> 00:44:22.599
 a

00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.039
 caricature

00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:24.259
 but

00:44:24.259 --> 00:44:25.259
 there are

00:44:25.259 --> 00:44:25.940
 not many

00:44:25.940 --> 00:44:27.019
 Christians

00:44:27.019 --> 00:44:27.980
 who would

00:44:27.980 --> 00:44:28.320
 argue

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:28.920
 for that

00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:29.579
 deistic

00:44:29.579 --> 00:44:30.099
 worldview

00:44:30.099 --> 00:44:31.000
 in some

00:44:31.000 --> 00:44:31.500
 sense

00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:32.099
 God is

00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:32.619
 directing

00:44:32.619 --> 00:44:34.240
 the

00:44:34.240 --> 00:44:35.179
 evolutionary

00:44:35.179 --> 00:44:35.720
 framework

00:44:35.720 --> 00:44:36.340
 so let's

00:44:36.340 --> 00:44:36.760
 talk about

00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:36.900
 what

00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:37.300
 theistic

00:44:37.300 --> 00:44:37.579
 evolution

00:44:37.579 --> 00:44:38.059
 is not

00:44:38.059 --> 00:44:38.900
 it's not

00:44:38.900 --> 00:44:39.280
 a scientific

00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:39.639
 movement

00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:41.139
 they very

00:44:41.139 --> 00:44:41.840
 rarely make

00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:42.260
 scientific

00:44:42.260 --> 00:44:42.740
 arguments

00:44:42.740 --> 00:44:43.760
 they don't

00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:44.000
 make

00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:44.519
 predictions

00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:45.760
 they don't

00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:46.240
 argue

00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:47.480
 for

00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.440
 they don't

00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:49.800
 produce

00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:50.159
 their own

00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:50.780
 well I mean

00:44:50.780 --> 00:44:51.220
 if they're

00:44:51.220 --> 00:44:51.579
 scientists

00:44:51.579 --> 00:44:51.860
 they may

00:44:51.860 --> 00:44:52.200
 produce

00:44:52.200 --> 00:44:52.440
 their own

00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:52.760
 research

00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:53.139
 but not

00:44:53.139 --> 00:44:53.900
 as an

00:44:53.900 --> 00:44:54.159
 effort

00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:54.320
 of

00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:54.579
 theistic

00:44:54.579 --> 00:44:54.960
 evolution

00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:56.400
 and this

00:44:56.400 --> 00:44:56.880
 makes sense

00:44:56.880 --> 00:44:57.220
 to us

00:44:57.220 --> 00:44:57.440
 right

00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:57.800
 because

00:44:57.800 --> 00:44:58.500
 the

00:44:58.500 --> 00:44:58.760
 tenet

00:44:58.760 --> 00:44:58.980
 is

00:44:58.980 --> 00:44:59.260
 that

00:44:59.260 --> 00:44:59.619
 the

00:44:59.619 --> 00:45:00.720
 scientific

00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:01.400
 consensus

00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:02.199
 on

00:45:02.199 --> 00:45:02.639
 evolutionary

00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:03.039
 theory

00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:03.260
 is

00:45:03.260 --> 00:45:03.519
 true

00:45:03.519 --> 00:45:04.440
 so

00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:05.019
 they're

00:45:05.019 --> 00:45:05.119
 not

00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:05.220
 going

00:45:05.220 --> 00:45:05.260
 to

00:45:05.260 --> 00:45:05.480
 make

00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:06.400
 scientific

00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:06.820
 arguments

00:45:06.820 --> 00:45:07.079
 for

00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:07.360
 theistic

00:45:07.360 --> 00:45:07.659
 evolution

00:45:07.659 --> 00:45:07.980
 they're

00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:08.260
 saying

00:45:08.260 --> 00:45:08.519
 their

00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:08.780
 argument

00:45:08.780 --> 00:45:09.019
 is

00:45:09.019 --> 00:45:09.840
 we don't

00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:10.079
 have to

00:45:10.079 --> 00:45:10.260
 worry

00:45:10.260 --> 00:45:10.500
 about

00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:10.659
 it

00:45:10.659 --> 00:45:11.240
 right

00:45:11.240 --> 00:45:11.460
 we don't

00:45:11.460 --> 00:45:11.619
 have to

00:45:11.619 --> 00:45:11.780
 worry

00:45:11.780 --> 00:45:12.019
 about

00:45:12.019 --> 00:45:12.220
 the

00:45:12.220 --> 00:45:12.559
 scientific

00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:13.019
 evidence

00:45:13.019 --> 00:45:15.340
 and so

00:45:15.340 --> 00:45:15.699
 theistic

00:45:15.699 --> 00:45:16.139
 evolutionists

00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:16.840
 will often

00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:17.539
 disagree

00:45:17.539 --> 00:45:18.139
 with

00:45:18.139 --> 00:45:18.980
 sort of

00:45:18.980 --> 00:45:19.880
 mainstream

00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:20.539
 scientists

00:45:20.539 --> 00:45:21.139
 on their

00:45:21.139 --> 00:45:21.720
 philosophical

00:45:21.720 --> 00:45:22.740
 presuppositions

00:45:22.740 --> 00:45:23.679
 right

00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:24.000
 and their

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:24.300
 big

00:45:24.300 --> 00:45:24.780
 worldview

00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:26.420
 but they

00:45:26.420 --> 00:45:26.800
 don't

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:27.400
 argue

00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:27.960
 against

00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:29.280
 usually

00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:29.720
 the

00:45:29.720 --> 00:45:30.199
 science

00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:30.539
 that's

00:45:30.539 --> 00:45:30.920
 produced

00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:31.659
 by this

00:45:31.659 --> 00:45:33.920
 institution

00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:35.480
 and this

00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:35.840
 often

00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:36.699
 ends up

00:45:36.699 --> 00:45:38.139
 you know

00:45:38.139 --> 00:45:39.139
 the problem

00:45:39.139 --> 00:45:39.519
 you know

00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:40.240
 I feel bad

00:45:40.240 --> 00:45:40.579
 for

00:45:40.579 --> 00:45:42.079
 the theistic

00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:42.420
 evolution

00:45:42.420 --> 00:45:42.900
 community

00:45:42.900 --> 00:45:43.340
 because

00:45:43.340 --> 00:45:44.880
 they get a lot

00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.199
 of flack

00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:45.500
 from

00:45:45.500 --> 00:45:47.240
 sort of

00:45:47.240 --> 00:45:47.960
 Christians

00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:48.619
 creationist

00:45:48.619 --> 00:45:48.960
 Christians

00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:49.480
 right

00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:50.240
 but then also

00:45:50.240 --> 00:45:50.480
 they don't

00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:50.800
 get a lot

00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:51.280
 of respect

00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:51.880
 from the

00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:52.179
 scientific

00:45:52.179 --> 00:45:52.639
 community

00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:52.900
 either

00:45:52.900 --> 00:45:53.639
 you know

00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:54.500
 the scientific

00:45:54.500 --> 00:45:54.880
 community

00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:55.280
 says

00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:55.599
 you guys

00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:55.860
 are just

00:45:55.860 --> 00:45:56.220
 adding

00:45:56.220 --> 00:45:57.860
 you know

00:45:57.860 --> 00:45:59.099
 this

00:45:59.099 --> 00:45:59.740
 this

00:45:59.740 --> 00:46:00.680
 you know

00:46:00.680 --> 00:46:01.440
 sky

00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.200
 the sky

00:46:02.200 --> 00:46:02.599
 guy

00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:03.780
 to our

00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:04.559
 movement

00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:04.780
 and we

00:46:04.780 --> 00:46:04.960
 don't

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:05.260
 I mean

00:46:05.260 --> 00:46:05.440
 this

00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:05.760
 in our

00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.200
 theory

00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:06.480
 we don't

00:46:06.480 --> 00:46:07.360
 need it

00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:08.980
 so

00:46:08.980 --> 00:46:09.980
 I feel

00:46:09.980 --> 00:46:10.179
 bad

00:46:10.179 --> 00:46:10.599
 they get

00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:11.079
 hit

00:46:11.079 --> 00:46:11.539
 all over

00:46:11.539 --> 00:46:11.639
 the

00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:11.880
 place

00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:12.280
 so

00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:15.440
 they don't

00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.199
 they rarely

00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:17.840
 actually even

00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:18.480
 argue from a

00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:18.740
 scientific

00:46:18.740 --> 00:46:19.240
 position

00:46:19.240 --> 00:46:19.639
 now

00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:20.280
 often times

00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:20.719
 they'll

00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:21.480
 argue

00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:22.420
 maybe

00:46:22.420 --> 00:46:22.960
 with

00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.780
 a critic

00:46:24.780 --> 00:46:26.099
 of

00:46:26.099 --> 00:46:26.639
 evolution

00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.260
 right

00:46:27.260 --> 00:46:27.480
 they'll

00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:27.780
 argue

00:46:27.780 --> 00:46:28.480
 for

00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:29.179
 sort of

00:46:29.179 --> 00:46:29.320
 the

00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:29.699
 mainstream

00:46:29.699 --> 00:46:31.440
 consensus

00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:32.360
 scientific

00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:32.940
 position

00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:33.679
 on it

00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:33.940
 but that's

00:46:33.940 --> 00:46:34.480
 really not

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.300
 the thrust

00:46:35.300 --> 00:46:36.079
 of their

00:46:36.079 --> 00:46:36.440
 argument

00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:36.980
 the thrust

00:46:36.980 --> 00:46:37.199
 of their

00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:37.480
 argument

00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:37.800
 is that

00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:38.360
 we can

00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:38.699
 live in

00:46:38.699 --> 00:46:39.219
 harmony

00:46:39.219 --> 00:46:40.199
 theistic

00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:40.579
 I mean

00:46:40.579 --> 00:46:41.079
 evolution

00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:42.039
 can be

00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:42.639
 in harmony

00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:43.159
 with the

00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:43.440
 Christian

00:46:43.440 --> 00:46:43.840
 worldview

00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:44.519
 or theism

00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:44.920
 in general

00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:45.280
 I should

00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:45.519
 say

00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:47.320
 so the

00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:47.679
 scientific

00:46:47.679 --> 00:46:48.079
 arguments

00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:48.420
 are usually

00:46:48.420 --> 00:46:48.840
 tertiary

00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:49.719
 so

00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.380
 when we're

00:46:51.380 --> 00:46:52.099
 talking about

00:46:52.099 --> 00:46:52.500
 intelligent

00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:52.980
 design

00:46:52.980 --> 00:46:53.639
 versus

00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:54.240
 theistic

00:46:54.240 --> 00:46:54.659
 evolution

00:46:54.659 --> 00:46:55.699
 because there

00:46:55.699 --> 00:46:56.340
 has been

00:46:56.340 --> 00:46:57.260
 quite a bit

00:46:57.260 --> 00:46:58.440
 of argumentation

00:46:58.440 --> 00:46:59.000
 between these

00:46:59.000 --> 00:46:59.440
 two different

00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:00.539
 groups

00:47:00.539 --> 00:47:02.900
 you can

00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:03.699
 see why

00:47:03.699 --> 00:47:04.340
 a lot

00:47:04.340 --> 00:47:04.880
 of times

00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.360
 they don't

00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:06.840
 really get

00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:07.159
 anywhere

00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:08.219
 and the

00:47:08.219 --> 00:47:08.639
 problem

00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:09.079
 is

00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:10.460
 and this

00:47:10.460 --> 00:47:10.779
 is something

00:47:10.779 --> 00:47:11.359
 that people

00:47:11.359 --> 00:47:12.179
 in both

00:47:12.179 --> 00:47:12.659
 camps

00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:13.359
 would acknowledge

00:47:13.359 --> 00:47:14.079
 the problem

00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:14.559
 is they

00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:15.500
 are different

00:47:15.500 --> 00:47:16.000
 movements

00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:16.799
 trying to do

00:47:16.799 --> 00:47:17.179
 different

00:47:17.179 --> 00:47:17.719
 things

00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:18.059
 and they

00:47:18.059 --> 00:47:18.440
 have

00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:19.539
 different

00:47:19.539 --> 00:47:20.339
 philosophical

00:47:20.339 --> 00:47:21.039
 positions

00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:22.379
 that that's

00:47:22.379 --> 00:47:23.079
 usually not

00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:23.359
 where the

00:47:23.359 --> 00:47:23.920
 argumentation

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:24.679
 is happening

00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:25.719
 right

00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:26.139
 so if you're

00:47:26.139 --> 00:47:26.920
 an intelligent

00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:27.420
 design

00:47:27.420 --> 00:47:27.960
 proponent

00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:28.739
 you're going

00:47:28.739 --> 00:47:28.899
 to be

00:47:28.899 --> 00:47:29.319
 arguing

00:47:29.319 --> 00:47:30.460
 scientifically

00:47:30.460 --> 00:47:31.259
 that

00:47:31.259 --> 00:47:32.219
 you know

00:47:32.219 --> 00:47:33.279
 XYZ

00:47:33.279 --> 00:47:34.719
 scientific

00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:35.139
 argument

00:47:35.139 --> 00:47:35.980
 is invalid

00:47:35.980 --> 00:47:37.159
 the

00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:37.440
 theistic

00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:37.920
 evolutionist

00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:38.219
 doesn't want

00:47:38.219 --> 00:47:38.440
 to deal

00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:38.799
 with that

00:47:38.799 --> 00:47:39.440
 they're like

00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:39.719
 I don't

00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:39.900
 want to

00:47:39.900 --> 00:47:40.199
 even deal

00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:40.379
 with that

00:47:40.379 --> 00:47:40.719
 I want

00:47:40.719 --> 00:47:40.940
 to deal

00:47:40.940 --> 00:47:41.619
 with why

00:47:41.619 --> 00:47:42.079
 you think

00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:42.359
 that's a

00:47:42.359 --> 00:47:42.859
 problem

00:47:42.859 --> 00:47:43.920
 right

00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:44.839
 and so

00:47:44.839 --> 00:47:45.699
 usually

00:47:45.699 --> 00:47:45.960
 these

00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:46.539
 discussions

00:47:46.539 --> 00:47:47.239
 go round

00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:47.539
 and round

00:47:47.539 --> 00:47:48.019
 in circles

00:47:48.019 --> 00:47:48.379
 and so

00:47:48.379 --> 00:47:48.940
 what I want

00:47:48.940 --> 00:47:49.279
 to do

00:47:49.279 --> 00:47:49.759
 in this

00:47:49.759 --> 00:47:50.179
 class

00:47:50.179 --> 00:47:51.259
 for the

00:47:51.259 --> 00:47:51.480
 third

00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:51.879
 class

00:47:51.879 --> 00:47:52.619
 is discuss

00:47:52.619 --> 00:47:53.879
 what

00:47:53.879 --> 00:47:54.940
 is one

00:47:54.940 --> 00:47:55.259
 of those

00:47:55.259 --> 00:47:55.759
 major

00:47:55.759 --> 00:47:56.599
 philosophical

00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:57.379
 disagreements

00:47:57.379 --> 00:47:58.059
 that each

00:47:58.059 --> 00:47:58.839
 side has

00:47:58.839 --> 00:47:59.779
 that determines

00:47:59.780 --> 00:48:01.500
 their openness

00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:02.100
 to these

00:48:02.100 --> 00:48:02.760
 different views

00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:03.500
 right

00:48:03.500 --> 00:48:04.400
 why

00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:05.300
 would

00:48:05.300 --> 00:48:06.340
 somebody

00:48:06.340 --> 00:48:07.640
 be more

00:48:07.640 --> 00:48:08.120
 convinced

00:48:08.120 --> 00:48:08.460
 by an

00:48:08.460 --> 00:48:08.820
 intelligent

00:48:08.820 --> 00:48:09.360
 design

00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:09.760
 argument

00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:10.500
 from science

00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:11.200
 than they

00:48:11.200 --> 00:48:11.540
 would be

00:48:11.540 --> 00:48:11.880
 from a

00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:12.180
 theistic

00:48:12.180 --> 00:48:12.580
 evolution

00:48:12.580 --> 00:48:13.800
 perspective

00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:14.940
 what theological

00:48:14.940 --> 00:48:15.580
 argument

00:48:15.580 --> 00:48:15.780
 are they

00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:16.040
 making

00:48:16.040 --> 00:48:16.360
 so

00:48:16.360 --> 00:48:18.200
 that is

00:48:18.200 --> 00:48:19.840
 what I

00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:20.060
 want to

00:48:20.060 --> 00:48:20.519
 talk about

00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:20.960
 in this

00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:21.320
 class

00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:22.600
 there are

00:48:22.600 --> 00:48:22.940
 a lot

00:48:22.940 --> 00:48:23.240
 of things

00:48:23.240 --> 00:48:23.519
 I could

00:48:23.519 --> 00:48:24.000
 talk about

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:24.940
 there are

00:48:24.940 --> 00:48:25.120
 a lot

00:48:25.120 --> 00:48:25.580
 of things

00:48:25.580 --> 00:48:26.600
 that I

00:48:26.600 --> 00:48:27.000
 would like

00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:27.320
 to talk

00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:27.540
 about

00:48:27.540 --> 00:48:28.340
 but I

00:48:28.340 --> 00:48:29.200
 felt like

00:48:29.199 --> 00:48:29.879
 if my

00:48:29.879 --> 00:48:30.439
 goal

00:48:30.439 --> 00:48:31.299
 in the

00:48:31.299 --> 00:48:31.799
 course

00:48:31.799 --> 00:48:32.179
 is to

00:48:32.179 --> 00:48:32.679
 provide

00:48:32.679 --> 00:48:34.000
 tools

00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:34.960
 for

00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:35.759
 this

00:48:35.759 --> 00:48:36.039
 church

00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:36.639
 specifically

00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:37.299
 to have

00:48:37.299 --> 00:48:38.279
 cordial

00:48:38.279 --> 00:48:39.759
 and beneficial

00:48:39.759 --> 00:48:40.359
 discussions

00:48:40.359 --> 00:48:40.719
 with each

00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:41.159
 other on

00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:41.679
 these issues

00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:42.099
 without it

00:48:42.099 --> 00:48:42.500
 becoming

00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:44.480
 superheated

00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:44.939
 you know

00:48:44.939 --> 00:48:45.379
 things get

00:48:45.379 --> 00:48:45.559
 heated

00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:45.919
 sometimes

00:48:45.919 --> 00:48:46.199
 but

00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:47.379
 superheated

00:48:47.379 --> 00:48:47.739
 is I

00:48:47.739 --> 00:48:48.000
 want to

00:48:48.000 --> 00:48:48.239
 give

00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:49.219
 hopefully

00:48:49.219 --> 00:48:49.819
 some tools

00:48:49.819 --> 00:48:50.500
 to understand

00:48:50.500 --> 00:48:51.579
 the other

00:48:51.579 --> 00:48:52.099
 person's

00:48:52.099 --> 00:48:52.539
 position

00:48:52.539 --> 00:48:53.339
 so you

00:48:53.339 --> 00:48:54.099
 can argue

00:48:54.099 --> 00:48:54.699
 at that

00:48:54.699 --> 00:48:55.079
 plane

00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:55.480
 or on

00:48:55.480 --> 00:48:55.699
 other

00:48:55.699 --> 00:48:56.059
 planes

00:48:56.059 --> 00:48:56.579
 but with

00:48:56.579 --> 00:48:56.980
 that in

00:48:56.980 --> 00:48:57.399
 mind

00:48:57.399 --> 00:48:58.199
 so we

00:48:58.199 --> 00:48:58.579
 don't get

00:48:58.579 --> 00:49:02.519
 too

00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:03.000
 confused

00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:04.139
 and angry

00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:05.739
 so what

00:49:05.739 --> 00:49:05.920
 are the

00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:06.079
 two

00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:06.460
 tensions

00:49:06.460 --> 00:49:07.119
 these are

00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:07.380
 going to be

00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:07.920
 the topics

00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:08.539
 of my

00:49:08.539 --> 00:49:08.980
 next two

00:49:08.980 --> 00:49:09.420
 classes

00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:10.219
 the first

00:49:10.219 --> 00:49:10.579
 tension

00:49:10.579 --> 00:49:12.179
 is general

00:49:12.179 --> 00:49:13.039
 versus special

00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:13.440
 revelation

00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:13.679
 I already

00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:14.099
 talked about

00:49:14.099 --> 00:49:14.380
 this

00:49:14.380 --> 00:49:15.039
 how do we

00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:15.340
 balance

00:49:15.340 --> 00:49:15.759
 these two

00:49:15.759 --> 00:49:16.679
 basically

00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:17.259
 this class

00:49:17.259 --> 00:49:17.480
 is going

00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:17.840
 to be

00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:18.739
 why are

00:49:18.739 --> 00:49:19.059
 we even

00:49:19.059 --> 00:49:19.420
 talking

00:49:19.420 --> 00:49:19.679
 about

00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:20.000
 this

00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:21.139
 why even

00:49:21.139 --> 00:49:21.599
 talk about

00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:21.920
 intelligent

00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:22.239
 design

00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:22.639
 and theistic

00:49:22.639 --> 00:49:23.039
 evolution

00:49:23.039 --> 00:49:23.619
 right

00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:24.059
 the bible

00:49:24.059 --> 00:49:24.579
 tells us

00:49:24.579 --> 00:49:24.980
 everything

00:49:24.980 --> 00:49:25.279
 we need

00:49:25.279 --> 00:49:25.619
 to know

00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:26.460
 right

00:49:26.460 --> 00:49:28.059
 or does

00:49:28.059 --> 00:49:28.340
 it

00:49:28.340 --> 00:49:29.519
 or should

00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:29.820
 we think

00:49:29.820 --> 00:49:30.220
 it does

00:49:30.220 --> 00:49:31.320
 that is

00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:31.820
 what this

00:49:31.820 --> 00:49:32.400
 class is

00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:32.559
 going to

00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:32.960
 be about

00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:35.380
 my next

00:49:35.380 --> 00:49:35.840
 class

00:49:35.840 --> 00:49:36.300
 the class

00:49:36.300 --> 00:49:36.659
 after that

00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:37.019
 the final

00:49:37.019 --> 00:49:37.300
 one

00:49:37.300 --> 00:49:38.199
 is going

00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:38.599
 to be

00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:39.199
 talking

00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:39.639
 about

00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:41.240
 how we

00:49:41.240 --> 00:49:41.699
 balance

00:49:41.699 --> 00:49:42.699
 how we

00:49:42.699 --> 00:49:43.059
 understand

00:49:43.059 --> 00:49:43.579
 God's

00:49:43.579 --> 00:49:44.159
 activity

00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:44.679
 in the

00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:45.079
 world

00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:46.039
 is God

00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:46.860
 primarily

00:49:46.860 --> 00:49:47.300
 acting

00:49:47.300 --> 00:49:48.699
 in the

00:49:48.699 --> 00:49:48.940
 world

00:49:48.940 --> 00:49:49.679
 in creation

00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:50.619
 through his

00:49:50.619 --> 00:49:51.519
 primary

00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:52.599
 agent

00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:53.740
 I use

00:49:53.740 --> 00:49:54.280
 primary way

00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:54.519
 too many

00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:54.860
 times in

00:49:54.860 --> 00:49:55.300
 that sentence

00:49:55.300 --> 00:49:57.160
 does

00:49:57.160 --> 00:49:57.480
 God

00:49:57.480 --> 00:49:58.100
 usually

00:49:58.100 --> 00:49:58.820
 is God

00:49:58.820 --> 00:49:59.460
 working

00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:00.160
 in creation

00:50:00.160 --> 00:50:01.320
 through

00:50:01.320 --> 00:50:01.940
 primary

00:50:01.940 --> 00:50:02.480
 causation

00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:02.760
 meaning

00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:03.539
 is he

00:50:03.539 --> 00:50:04.640
 doing

00:50:04.640 --> 00:50:05.100
 something

00:50:05.100 --> 00:50:05.600
 like we

00:50:05.600 --> 00:50:06.140
 as we

00:50:06.140 --> 00:50:06.460
 would think

00:50:06.460 --> 00:50:06.640
 of an

00:50:06.640 --> 00:50:06.980
 engineer

00:50:06.980 --> 00:50:08.220
 is he

00:50:08.220 --> 00:50:08.800
 creating

00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:09.280
 the parts

00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:09.880
 and is he

00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:10.300
 putting them

00:50:10.300 --> 00:50:10.660
 together

00:50:10.660 --> 00:50:11.940
 as the

00:50:11.940 --> 00:50:12.320
 analogy

00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:12.760
 would go

00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:13.240
 is that

00:50:13.240 --> 00:50:13.880
 is he

00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:14.180
 working

00:50:14.180 --> 00:50:14.640
 primarily

00:50:14.640 --> 00:50:15.180
 that way

00:50:15.180 --> 00:50:15.500
 like an

00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:15.780
 artist

00:50:15.780 --> 00:50:16.380
 or is he

00:50:16.380 --> 00:50:16.900
 creating

00:50:16.900 --> 00:50:18.140
 in secondary

00:50:18.140 --> 00:50:19.180
 causation

00:50:19.180 --> 00:50:19.560
 sort of

00:50:19.560 --> 00:50:19.840
 in a

00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:20.280
 sovereign

00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.760
 providential

00:50:21.760 --> 00:50:22.019
 way

00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:22.920
 is he

00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:23.860
 creating

00:50:23.860 --> 00:50:24.640
 a system

00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:25.440
 that can

00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:26.000
 create

00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:27.500
 other

00:50:27.500 --> 00:50:28.239
 other

00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:28.819
 ends

00:50:28.819 --> 00:50:29.460
 and by

00:50:29.460 --> 00:50:30.059
 providence

00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:30.719
 by secondary

00:50:30.719 --> 00:50:31.259
 causation

00:50:31.259 --> 00:50:31.579
 we can

00:50:31.579 --> 00:50:32.079
 say God

00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:32.900
 created

00:50:32.900 --> 00:50:33.719
 right

00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:34.759
 that is

00:50:34.759 --> 00:50:35.400
 the central

00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:35.900
 tension

00:50:35.900 --> 00:50:37.259
 I think

00:50:37.259 --> 00:50:38.239
 between

00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:38.920
 intelligent

00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:39.359
 design

00:50:39.359 --> 00:50:39.819
 and theistic

00:50:39.819 --> 00:50:40.219
 evolution

00:50:40.219 --> 00:50:41.460
 is what

00:50:41.460 --> 00:50:42.519
 should we

00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:43.440
 expect God's

00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:44.119
 activity in

00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:44.400
 the world

00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:44.739
 to look

00:50:44.739 --> 00:50:45.059
 like

00:50:45.059 --> 00:50:46.480
 and based

00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:46.980
 on that

00:50:46.980 --> 00:50:48.199
 what

00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:48.799
 what

00:50:48.799 --> 00:50:50.400
 what is a

00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:50.739
 compelling

00:50:50.739 --> 00:50:51.339
 argument from

00:50:51.339 --> 00:50:51.639
 either

00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:52.179
 from either

00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:52.519
 side of

00:50:52.519 --> 00:50:52.759
 that

00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:54.320
 so with

00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:54.620
 that

00:50:54.620 --> 00:50:55.820
 I will

00:50:55.820 --> 00:50:57.840
 end the

00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:58.260
 class

00:50:58.260 --> 00:50:58.960
 and

00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:00.720
 take any

00:51:00.720 --> 00:51:01.220
 questions

00:51:01.220 --> 00:51:02.780
 my goal

00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:03.820
 is hopefully

00:51:03.820 --> 00:51:05.260
 to expand

00:51:05.260 --> 00:51:06.920
 our

00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:07.820
 our minds

00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:08.380
 so that we

00:51:08.380 --> 00:51:08.660
 can

00:51:08.660 --> 00:51:09.940
 we can

00:51:09.940 --> 00:51:10.300
 better

00:51:10.300 --> 00:51:11.900
 discuss

00:51:11.900 --> 00:51:12.340
 things

00:51:12.340 --> 00:51:12.940
 because this

00:51:12.940 --> 00:51:13.320
 is a really

00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:14.420
 fun discussion

00:51:14.420 --> 00:51:15.560
 and it should

00:51:15.560 --> 00:51:15.980
 be fun

00:51:15.980 --> 00:51:16.340
 it should

00:51:16.340 --> 00:51:16.900
 be less

00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:17.320
 angry

00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:22.059
 that's the

00:51:22.059 --> 00:51:22.340
 first time

00:51:22.340 --> 00:51:22.600
 I've heard

00:51:22.600 --> 00:51:22.780
 anyone

00:51:22.780 --> 00:51:23.180
 describe

00:51:23.180 --> 00:51:23.920
 this as

00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:24.180
 fun

00:51:24.180 --> 00:51:24.460
 within

00:51:24.460 --> 00:51:24.660
 the

00:51:24.660 --> 00:51:24.980
 church

00:51:24.980 --> 00:51:26.780
 so

00:51:26.780 --> 00:51:27.900
 the

00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:28.620
 clarity

00:51:28.620 --> 00:51:29.440
 is helpful

00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:29.960
 and the

00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:30.260
 history

00:51:30.260 --> 00:51:30.480
 and the

00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:30.760
 background

00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:31.260
 is helpful

00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:32.400
 yeah I

00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:32.900
 mean I

00:51:32.900 --> 00:51:33.360
 should say

00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:33.580
 that I'm

00:51:33.580 --> 00:51:33.900
 not a

00:51:33.900 --> 00:51:34.280
 historian

00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:35.880
 even though

00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:36.240
 I like to

00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:36.500
 think of

00:51:36.500 --> 00:51:37.019
 myself as

00:51:37.019 --> 00:51:37.260
 one

00:51:37.260 --> 00:51:38.280
 I

00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:39.960
 there are

00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:41.100
 many ways

00:51:41.100 --> 00:51:41.920
 to discuss

00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:42.140
 the

00:51:42.140 --> 00:51:43.019
 fundamentalist

00:51:43.019 --> 00:51:43.920
 modernist

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:44.559
 discussion

00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.139
 I was

00:51:46.139 --> 00:51:46.519
 trying to

00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:46.759
 focus

00:51:46.759 --> 00:51:47.139
 primarily

00:51:47.139 --> 00:51:47.840
 on the

00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:49.400
 changes

00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:49.739
 in the

00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:50.059
 scientific

00:51:50.059 --> 00:51:50.719
 community

00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:51.599
 but we

00:51:51.599 --> 00:51:52.000
 can talk

00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:52.320
 about

00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:53.539
 philosophical

00:51:53.539 --> 00:51:54.460
 disagreements

00:51:54.460 --> 00:51:55.059
 metaphysical

00:51:55.059 --> 00:51:55.400
 stuff

00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:55.920
 theological

00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:56.440
 stuff

00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:57.299
 that I

00:51:57.299 --> 00:51:57.480
 would

00:51:57.480 --> 00:51:58.579
 very much

00:51:58.579 --> 00:51:58.900
 not be

00:51:58.900 --> 00:51:59.239
 qualified

00:51:59.239 --> 00:51:59.639
 to talk

00:51:59.639 --> 00:51:59.820
 about

00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:00.059
 at all

00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:00.259
 I'm

00:52:00.259 --> 00:52:00.480
 barely

00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:00.820
 qualified

00:52:00.820 --> 00:52:01.099
 to talk

00:52:01.099 --> 00:52:01.259
 about

00:52:01.259 --> 00:52:01.480
 this

00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:01.699
 so

00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:03.719
 but yes

00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:04.519
 I was

00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:04.779
 hoping

00:52:04.779 --> 00:52:05.079
 that it

00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:05.259
 would

00:52:05.259 --> 00:52:06.219
 sort of

00:52:06.219 --> 00:52:06.440
 provide

00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:06.759
 a place

00:52:06.759 --> 00:52:07.099
 for that

00:52:07.099 --> 00:52:08.019
 Tyler

00:52:08.019 --> 00:52:09.440
 could you

00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:10.019
 describe

00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:10.440
 the

00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:11.860
 hermeneutical

00:52:11.860 --> 00:52:12.659
 tension

00:52:12.659 --> 00:52:13.500
 that exists

00:52:13.500 --> 00:52:14.079
 within

00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.159
 these two

00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:16.579
 camps

00:52:16.579 --> 00:52:17.840
 we're

00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:18.059
 in

00:52:18.059 --> 00:52:18.639
 hermeneutics

00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:20.179
 in interpreting

00:52:20.179 --> 00:52:20.679
 Genesis

00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:21.880
 where does

00:52:21.880 --> 00:52:22.159
 the rubber

00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:22.500
 hit the

00:52:22.500 --> 00:52:22.759
 road

00:52:22.759 --> 00:52:23.079
 and how

00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:23.199
 they

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:23.739
 understand

00:52:23.739 --> 00:52:23.980
 what

00:52:23.980 --> 00:52:24.259
 Genesis

00:52:24.259 --> 00:52:24.679
 is

00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:25.199
 teaching

00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:25.819
 yes

00:52:25.819 --> 00:52:26.239
 so

00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:26.739
 that is

00:52:26.739 --> 00:52:27.679
 mostly

00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:27.860
 what

00:52:27.860 --> 00:52:28.079
 next

00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:28.380
 class

00:52:28.380 --> 00:52:28.500
 is

00:52:28.500 --> 00:52:28.619
 going

00:52:28.619 --> 00:52:28.759
 to be

00:52:28.759 --> 00:52:29.000
 about

00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:29.259
 but

00:52:29.259 --> 00:52:30.159
 because

00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:30.279
 I

00:52:30.279 --> 00:52:30.440
 like

00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:30.539
 you

00:52:30.539 --> 00:52:30.679
 so

00:52:30.679 --> 00:52:30.880
 much

00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:31.000
 I

00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:31.019
 know

00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:33.840
 generally

00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:35.019
 so

00:52:35.019 --> 00:52:36.840
 the

00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:37.179
 rubber

00:52:37.179 --> 00:52:37.420
 hits

00:52:37.420 --> 00:52:37.599
 the

00:52:37.599 --> 00:52:37.940
 road

00:52:37.940 --> 00:52:38.179
 when

00:52:38.179 --> 00:52:38.299
 it

00:52:38.299 --> 00:52:38.599
 comes

00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:38.860
 to

00:52:38.860 --> 00:52:39.400
 what

00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:40.759
 you

00:52:40.759 --> 00:52:41.599
 believe

00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:42.159
 the

00:52:42.159 --> 00:52:43.059
 purpose

00:52:43.059 --> 00:52:44.199
 of

00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:44.519
 Genesis

00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:45.000
 is

00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:46.299
 what

00:52:46.299 --> 00:52:46.739
 is

00:52:46.739 --> 00:52:47.179
 Genesis

00:52:47.179 --> 00:52:47.779
 trying

00:52:47.779 --> 00:52:48.039
 to

00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:48.420
 convey

00:52:48.420 --> 00:52:49.480
 right

00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:50.599
 and

00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:50.719
 what

00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:50.840
 I'll

00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:51.099
 talk

00:52:51.099 --> 00:52:51.299
 about

00:52:51.299 --> 00:52:51.579
 next

00:52:51.579 --> 00:52:52.000
 week

00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.759
 is

00:52:53.759 --> 00:52:55.699
 the

00:52:55.699 --> 00:52:56.139
 basic

00:52:56.139 --> 00:52:56.599
 argument

00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:58.019
 that

00:52:58.019 --> 00:52:58.639
 the

00:52:58.639 --> 00:52:59.340
 literal

00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:02.000
 interpretation

00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:03.099
 of a

00:53:03.099 --> 00:53:03.360
 biblical

00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:03.780
 passage

00:53:03.780 --> 00:53:03.960
 is

00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:04.139
 not

00:53:04.139 --> 00:53:04.820
 necessarily

00:53:04.820 --> 00:53:07.159
 by

00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:07.719
 definition

00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:07.960
 the

00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:08.260
 correct

00:53:08.260 --> 00:53:10.119
 interpretation

00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:11.300
 right

00:53:11.300 --> 00:53:12.559
 often

00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:13.059
 it is

00:53:13.059 --> 00:53:13.900
 but

00:53:13.900 --> 00:53:14.260
 sometimes

00:53:14.260 --> 00:53:14.460
 it's

00:53:14.460 --> 00:53:14.760
 not

00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:15.519
 and

00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:15.840
 how

00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:16.019
 can

00:53:16.019 --> 00:53:16.159
 we

00:53:16.159 --> 00:53:16.659
 understand

00:53:16.659 --> 00:53:16.980
 that

00:53:16.980 --> 00:53:17.260
 in

00:53:17.260 --> 00:53:18.179
 relationship

00:53:18.179 --> 00:53:18.519
 to

00:53:18.519 --> 00:53:18.880
 Genesis

00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:19.840
 right

00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:21.199
 and

00:53:21.199 --> 00:53:21.579
 Christians

00:53:21.579 --> 00:53:22.780
 come down

00:53:22.780 --> 00:53:23.559
 on so

00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:23.820
 many

00:53:23.820 --> 00:53:24.099
 different

00:53:24.099 --> 00:53:24.440
 sides

00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:24.760
 on this

00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:24.880
 and

00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:25.059
 that's

00:53:25.059 --> 00:53:25.159
 what

00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:25.260
 I

00:53:25.260 --> 00:53:25.480
 hope

00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:25.719
 to

00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:26.260
 overview

00:53:26.260 --> 00:53:26.940
 next

00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:27.219
 week

00:53:27.219 --> 00:53:27.699
 is

00:53:27.699 --> 00:53:27.940
 how

00:53:27.940 --> 00:53:28.219
 we

00:53:28.219 --> 00:53:28.400
 come

00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:28.579
 down

00:53:28.579 --> 00:53:28.699
 on

00:53:28.699 --> 00:53:28.900
 different

00:53:28.900 --> 00:53:29.199
 sides

00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:29.319
 of

00:53:29.319 --> 00:53:29.519
 this

00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:30.659
 but

00:53:30.659 --> 00:53:31.259
 at

00:53:31.259 --> 00:53:31.359
 the

00:53:31.359 --> 00:53:31.460
 end

00:53:31.460 --> 00:53:31.539
 of

00:53:31.539 --> 00:53:31.579
 the

00:53:31.579 --> 00:53:31.699
 day

00:53:31.699 --> 00:53:31.859
 it

00:53:31.859 --> 00:53:32.059
 comes

00:53:32.059 --> 00:53:32.259
 down

00:53:32.259 --> 00:53:32.419
 to

00:53:32.419 --> 00:53:32.799
 what

00:53:32.799 --> 00:53:33.059
 is

00:53:33.059 --> 00:53:33.480
 Genesis

00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.199
 trying

00:53:35.199 --> 00:53:35.419
 to

00:53:35.419 --> 00:53:35.779
 convey

00:53:35.779 --> 00:53:36.519
 and

00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:36.659
 there

00:53:36.659 --> 00:53:36.960
 are

00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:38.039
 positions

00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:38.939
 that

00:53:38.939 --> 00:53:39.099
 I

00:53:39.099 --> 00:53:39.299
 would

00:53:39.299 --> 00:53:39.739
 say

00:53:39.739 --> 00:53:40.599
 that

00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:40.739
 is

00:53:40.739 --> 00:53:40.879
 not

00:53:40.879 --> 00:53:41.179
 allowed

00:53:41.179 --> 00:53:42.339
 right

00:53:42.339 --> 00:53:43.359
 and

00:53:43.359 --> 00:53:43.480
 I'll

00:53:43.480 --> 00:53:43.679
 talk

00:53:43.679 --> 00:53:43.919
 about

00:53:43.919 --> 00:53:44.199
 that

00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:44.699
 next

00:53:44.699 --> 00:53:45.019
 week

00:53:45.019 --> 00:53:45.659
 but

00:53:45.659 --> 00:53:45.819
 there

00:53:45.819 --> 00:53:46.019
 is

00:53:46.019 --> 00:53:46.279
 I

00:53:46.279 --> 00:53:47.439
 feel

00:53:47.439 --> 00:53:47.659
 like

00:53:47.659 --> 00:53:47.879
 there's

00:53:47.879 --> 00:53:48.099
 a

00:53:48.099 --> 00:53:48.359
 lot

00:53:48.359 --> 00:53:48.500
 of

00:53:48.500 --> 00:53:48.759
 room

00:53:48.759 --> 00:53:50.439
 there

00:53:50.439 --> 00:53:51.239
 for

00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:52.519
 discussion

00:53:52.519 --> 00:53:53.379
 the

00:53:53.379 --> 00:53:53.799
 difficulty

00:53:53.799 --> 00:53:54.219
 is

00:53:54.219 --> 00:53:54.599
 how

00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:54.859
 do

00:53:54.859 --> 00:53:55.239
 you

00:53:55.239 --> 00:53:55.859
 look

00:53:55.859 --> 00:53:56.099
 at

00:53:56.099 --> 00:53:56.319
 it

00:53:56.319 --> 00:53:57.019
 with

00:53:57.019 --> 00:53:57.399
 clear

00:53:57.399 --> 00:53:57.919
 eyes

00:53:57.919 --> 00:53:58.879
 and

00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:00.599
 absent

00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:01.900
 the

00:54:01.900 --> 00:54:02.280
 tension

00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:02.480
 that

00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:02.579
 we're

00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:02.920
 talking

00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:03.220
 about

00:54:03.220 --> 00:54:04.079
 right

00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:04.260
 because

00:54:04.260 --> 00:54:04.360
 if

00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:04.420
 you

00:54:04.420 --> 00:54:04.559
 think

00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:04.740
 about

00:54:04.740 --> 00:54:07.460
 what

00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:07.700
 the

00:54:07.700 --> 00:54:08.220
 correct

00:54:08.220 --> 00:54:08.760
 interpretation

00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:08.960
 of

00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:09.200
 Genesis

00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:09.579
 is

00:54:09.579 --> 00:54:10.340
 has

00:54:10.340 --> 00:54:11.019
 nothing

00:54:11.019 --> 00:54:11.220
 to

00:54:11.220 --> 00:54:11.460
 do

00:54:11.460 --> 00:54:13.140
 with

00:54:13.140 --> 00:54:13.680
 our

00:54:13.680 --> 00:54:14.320
 disagreements

00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:14.579
 with

00:54:14.579 --> 00:54:14.960
 scientific

00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:15.700
 materialism

00:54:15.700 --> 00:54:16.720
 and

00:54:16.720 --> 00:54:17.640
 our

00:54:17.640 --> 00:54:18.280
 attempts

00:54:18.280 --> 00:54:19.320
 to

00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:19.980
 understand

00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:20.240
 what

00:54:20.240 --> 00:54:20.460
 the

00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:20.960
 facts

00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:21.200
 on

00:54:21.200 --> 00:54:21.300
 the

00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:21.539
 ground

00:54:21.539 --> 00:54:21.960
 are

00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:23.079
 right

00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:23.780
 Genesis

00:54:23.780 --> 00:54:24.099
 has

00:54:24.099 --> 00:54:24.340
 its

00:54:24.340 --> 00:54:25.260
 own

00:54:25.260 --> 00:54:25.940
 message

00:54:25.940 --> 00:54:26.160
 to

00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:26.360
 tell

00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:26.680
 us

00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:28.839
 and

00:54:28.839 --> 00:54:29.239
 sometimes

00:54:29.239 --> 00:54:30.019
 it's

00:54:30.019 --> 00:54:30.219
 hard

00:54:30.219 --> 00:54:30.759
 to

00:54:30.759 --> 00:54:31.179
 separate

00:54:31.179 --> 00:54:31.440
 those

00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:31.679
 two

00:54:31.679 --> 00:54:33.659
 and

00:54:33.659 --> 00:54:33.960
 but

00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:34.500
 that's

00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:36.579
 you know

00:54:36.579 --> 00:54:36.779
 that's

00:54:36.779 --> 00:54:37.099
 the way

00:54:37.099 --> 00:54:37.960
 I think

00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:38.159
 it should

00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:38.460
 be done

00:54:38.460 --> 00:54:38.779
 so we'll

00:54:38.779 --> 00:54:39.119
 talk about

00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:39.419
 that next

00:54:39.419 --> 00:54:39.639
 week

00:54:39.639 --> 00:54:40.079
 but yeah

00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:42.840
 any

00:54:42.840 --> 00:54:43.119
 other

00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:43.759
 questions

00:54:43.759 --> 00:54:45.819
 clarifying

00:54:45.819 --> 00:54:46.460
 questions

00:54:46.460 --> 00:54:51.159
 you can

00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:51.559
 ask another

00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:51.940
 question

00:54:51.940 --> 00:54:52.400
 if you

00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:52.619
 want

00:54:52.619 --> 00:54:53.559
 Beth

00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:55.019
 oh

00:54:55.019 --> 00:54:56.480
 real quick

00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:56.659
 so

00:54:56.659 --> 00:54:57.639
 Francis Collins

00:54:57.639 --> 00:54:58.360
 the human

00:54:58.360 --> 00:54:58.739
 genome

00:54:58.739 --> 00:54:59.340
 project

00:54:59.340 --> 00:55:00.059
 yep

00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:00.920
 where does

00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:01.340
 he fall

00:55:01.340 --> 00:55:02.099
 in the

00:55:02.099 --> 00:55:02.900
 in the

00:55:02.900 --> 00:55:03.159
 is he

00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:03.500
 intelligent

00:55:03.500 --> 00:55:03.980
 design

00:55:03.980 --> 00:55:04.480
 or is he

00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:05.440
 a theistic

00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:06.199
 evolutionist

00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:06.500
 or is he

00:55:06.500 --> 00:55:06.940
 so he

00:55:06.940 --> 00:55:09.119
 is definitely

00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:09.599
 a theistic

00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:10.179
 evolutionist

00:55:10.179 --> 00:55:11.240
 he is the

00:55:11.240 --> 00:55:11.760
 founder of

00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:12.519
 the BioLogos

00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:13.619
 group

00:55:13.619 --> 00:55:15.019
 so he

00:55:15.019 --> 00:55:16.139
 he wrote a

00:55:16.139 --> 00:55:16.400
 book

00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:17.500
 I believe

00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:17.800
 called the

00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:18.320
 language of

00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:18.639
 God

00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:19.059
 if I'm

00:55:19.059 --> 00:55:19.500
 not mistaken

00:55:19.500 --> 00:55:21.400
 and in

00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:22.320
 that he

00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:22.780
 makes the

00:55:22.780 --> 00:55:23.179
 argument

00:55:23.179 --> 00:55:24.940
 for theistic

00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:25.340
 evolution

00:55:25.340 --> 00:55:26.240
 and that

00:55:26.240 --> 00:55:26.619
 is what

00:55:26.619 --> 00:55:27.260
 or what he

00:55:27.260 --> 00:55:27.679
 would call

00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:28.260
 evolutionary

00:55:28.260 --> 00:55:28.820
 creation

00:55:28.820 --> 00:55:30.780
 because it

00:55:30.780 --> 00:55:31.139
 has its

00:55:31.139 --> 00:55:31.400
 own

00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:32.240
 like I was

00:55:32.240 --> 00:55:32.539
 trying to

00:55:32.539 --> 00:55:33.159
 explain in

00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:33.880
 the broad

00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:34.760
 scheme of

00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:35.059
 things

00:55:35.059 --> 00:55:35.840
 it has its

00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:36.059
 own

00:55:36.059 --> 00:55:36.559
 arguments

00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.699
 so yeah

00:55:38.699 --> 00:55:39.219
 he's definitely

00:55:39.219 --> 00:55:39.559
 a theistic

00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:40.099
 evolutionist

00:55:40.099 --> 00:55:40.259
 yeah

00:55:40.259 --> 00:55:45.019
 can you

00:55:45.019 --> 00:55:45.500
 tell us a

00:55:45.500 --> 00:55:45.759
 little bit

00:55:45.759 --> 00:55:46.219
 about what

00:55:46.219 --> 00:55:46.739
 you do

00:55:46.739 --> 00:55:47.039
 and what

00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:47.440
 your work

00:55:47.440 --> 00:55:47.900
 is and

00:55:47.900 --> 00:55:48.480
 also about

00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:49.039
 the interplay

00:55:49.039 --> 00:55:49.299
 of your

00:55:49.299 --> 00:55:49.759
 faith with

00:55:49.759 --> 00:55:49.980
 that

00:55:49.980 --> 00:55:51.500
 oh sure

00:55:51.500 --> 00:55:51.920
 yeah

00:55:51.920 --> 00:55:52.500
 so I

00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:52.739
 am a

00:55:52.739 --> 00:55:53.199
 scientist

00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:55.840
 what I

00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:56.539
 do is

00:55:56.539 --> 00:55:57.400
 I guess

00:55:57.400 --> 00:55:57.779
 technically

00:55:57.779 --> 00:55:58.239
 science

00:55:58.239 --> 00:56:00.059
 most of

00:56:00.059 --> 00:56:00.440
 the time

00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:01.619
 I make

00:56:01.619 --> 00:56:02.179
 bunches

00:56:02.179 --> 00:56:02.960
 of mistakes

00:56:02.960 --> 00:56:04.480
 so I

00:56:04.480 --> 00:56:05.000
 work in a

00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:05.420
 field called

00:56:05.420 --> 00:56:05.699
 tissue

00:56:05.699 --> 00:56:06.159
 engineering

00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:07.659
 in this

00:56:07.659 --> 00:56:08.079
 field

00:56:08.079 --> 00:56:08.639
 what we

00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:08.980
 do

00:56:08.980 --> 00:56:09.579
 is we

00:56:09.579 --> 00:56:10.139
 take

00:56:10.139 --> 00:56:12.099
 biological

00:56:12.099 --> 00:56:12.859
 cells

00:56:12.859 --> 00:56:13.239
 and we're

00:56:13.239 --> 00:56:14.440
 trying to

00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:15.500
 apply them

00:56:15.500 --> 00:56:16.399
 to three

00:56:16.399 --> 00:56:16.960
 dimensional

00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:18.199
 synthetic

00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:19.019
 scaffolds

00:56:19.019 --> 00:56:20.119
 to create

00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:20.719
 a therapeutic

00:56:20.719 --> 00:56:21.659
 so in

00:56:21.659 --> 00:56:21.940
 my

00:56:21.940 --> 00:56:23.480
 sorry I

00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:23.759
 touched the

00:56:23.759 --> 00:56:24.159
 microphone

00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:25.139
 rule number

00:56:25.139 --> 00:56:25.339
 one

00:56:25.339 --> 00:56:25.679
 don't touch

00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:26.039
 the microphone

00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:27.559
 so in

00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:28.359
 my lab

00:56:28.359 --> 00:56:28.859
 that means

00:56:28.859 --> 00:56:30.079
 we create

00:56:30.079 --> 00:56:33.480
 biodegradable

00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:34.099
 tubes

00:56:34.099 --> 00:56:35.339
 we seed

00:56:35.339 --> 00:56:36.259
 smooth muscle

00:56:36.259 --> 00:56:36.739
 cells on

00:56:36.739 --> 00:56:37.039
 them to

00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:37.480
 create an

00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:37.799
 artificial

00:56:37.799 --> 00:56:38.279
 vessel

00:56:38.279 --> 00:56:39.380
 for people

00:56:39.380 --> 00:56:39.940
 for instance

00:56:39.940 --> 00:56:40.179
 who have

00:56:40.179 --> 00:56:40.880
 had coronary

00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:41.139
 artery

00:56:41.139 --> 00:56:41.779
 disease

00:56:41.779 --> 00:56:43.239
 or other

00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:43.679
 vascular

00:56:43.679 --> 00:56:44.119
 diseases

00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:45.579
 so that's

00:56:45.579 --> 00:56:45.819
 what I

00:56:45.819 --> 00:56:46.299
 work on

00:56:46.299 --> 00:56:47.239
 I actually

00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:48.259
 more specifically

00:56:48.259 --> 00:56:48.940
 work on

00:56:48.940 --> 00:56:49.759
 sort of the

00:56:49.759 --> 00:56:50.440
 large animal

00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:51.099
 testing of

00:56:51.099 --> 00:56:51.319
 that

00:56:51.319 --> 00:56:51.819
 how can

00:56:51.819 --> 00:56:52.639
 we test

00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:52.819
 these

00:56:52.819 --> 00:56:53.880
 in large

00:56:53.880 --> 00:56:54.139
 animals

00:56:54.139 --> 00:56:54.739
 before we

00:56:54.739 --> 00:56:55.099
 test them

00:56:55.099 --> 00:56:55.519
 in humans

00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:55.900
 to make

00:56:55.900 --> 00:56:56.139
 sure that

00:56:56.139 --> 00:56:56.659
 they're safe

00:56:56.659 --> 00:56:58.719
 but yeah

00:56:58.719 --> 00:56:59.679
 generally that's

00:56:59.679 --> 00:57:00.079
 what I work

00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:00.319
 on

00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:00.620
 although

00:57:00.620 --> 00:57:01.180
 my

00:57:01.180 --> 00:57:03.039
 background

00:57:03.039 --> 00:57:03.380
 is in

00:57:03.380 --> 00:57:03.920
 biochemistry

00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:05.280
 so

00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:06.720
 at the

00:57:06.720 --> 00:57:07.220
 graduate

00:57:07.220 --> 00:57:07.600
 level

00:57:07.600 --> 00:57:08.080
 it is a

00:57:08.080 --> 00:57:08.300
 little

00:57:08.300 --> 00:57:09.600
 fuzzy

00:57:09.600 --> 00:57:09.900
 what I

00:57:09.900 --> 00:57:10.039
 do

00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:10.280
 I'm

00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:10.559
 technically

00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:10.760
 in

00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:11.260
 pathology

00:57:11.260 --> 00:57:12.039
 because I

00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:12.320
 work on

00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:12.720
 diseases

00:57:12.720 --> 00:57:13.460
 but I

00:57:13.460 --> 00:57:13.840
 don't really

00:57:13.840 --> 00:57:13.980
 do

00:57:13.980 --> 00:57:14.500
 pathology

00:57:14.500 --> 00:57:15.820
 it's very

00:57:15.820 --> 00:57:16.120
 confusing

00:57:16.120 --> 00:57:16.519
 I'll get a

00:57:16.519 --> 00:57:16.860
 degree in

00:57:16.860 --> 00:57:17.240
 pathology

00:57:17.240 --> 00:57:17.580
 I don't know

00:57:17.580 --> 00:57:17.840
 what that'll

00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:18.280
 do for me

00:57:18.280 --> 00:57:20.760
 but yeah

00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:21.440
 so I'm a

00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:22.059
 biochemist

00:57:22.059 --> 00:57:22.860
 who works

00:57:22.860 --> 00:57:24.300
 on cells

00:57:24.300 --> 00:57:25.019
 basically

00:57:25.019 --> 00:57:25.380
 is what I

00:57:25.380 --> 00:57:25.740
 would say

00:57:25.740 --> 00:57:26.720
 and how

00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:27.000
 does that

00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:27.320
 work with

00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:27.820
 my faith

00:57:27.820 --> 00:57:29.559
 that's an

00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:29.820
 interesting

00:57:29.820 --> 00:57:30.300
 question

00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:32.039
 I was

00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:33.340
 homeschooled

00:57:33.340 --> 00:57:34.280
 growing up

00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:34.880
 me and

00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:35.260
 my eight

00:57:35.260 --> 00:57:35.880
 other siblings

00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:36.640
 were all

00:57:36.640 --> 00:57:37.700
 homeschooled

00:57:37.700 --> 00:57:39.840
 and my

00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:41.519
 mom was

00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:42.019
 the daughter

00:57:42.019 --> 00:57:42.860
 of a

00:57:42.860 --> 00:57:43.200
 medical

00:57:43.200 --> 00:57:43.720
 doctor

00:57:43.720 --> 00:57:45.200
 and from

00:57:45.200 --> 00:57:46.280
 the time

00:57:46.280 --> 00:57:46.880
 that she

00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:47.280
 was young

00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:48.060
 she loved

00:57:48.060 --> 00:57:48.600
 science

00:57:48.600 --> 00:57:49.740
 all the way

00:57:49.740 --> 00:57:49.980
 through

00:57:49.980 --> 00:57:50.539
 she was

00:57:50.539 --> 00:57:51.160
 an artist

00:57:51.160 --> 00:57:52.680
 but she

00:57:52.680 --> 00:57:53.620
 wanted to

00:57:53.620 --> 00:57:54.320
 actually

00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:55.000
 what she

00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:55.260
 was in

00:57:55.260 --> 00:57:55.900
 college for

00:57:55.900 --> 00:57:57.900
 was to

00:57:57.900 --> 00:57:58.600
 do the

00:57:58.600 --> 00:57:59.000
 medical

00:57:59.000 --> 00:57:59.600
 illustrations

00:57:59.599 --> 00:58:01.059
 so if

00:58:01.059 --> 00:58:01.279
 you go

00:58:01.279 --> 00:58:01.659
 into an

00:58:01.659 --> 00:58:02.000
 anatomy

00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:02.440
 textbook

00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:02.759
 and you

00:58:02.759 --> 00:58:03.239
 see the

00:58:03.239 --> 00:58:04.079
 picture of

00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:04.400
 the heart

00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:05.440
 that's what

00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:05.739
 she wanted

00:58:05.739 --> 00:58:06.039
 to do

00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:06.279
 and she

00:58:06.279 --> 00:58:06.900
 was doing

00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:07.259
 that

00:58:07.259 --> 00:58:08.759
 before she

00:58:08.759 --> 00:58:09.119
 got married

00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:09.360
 and had

00:58:09.360 --> 00:58:09.980
 a billion

00:58:09.980 --> 00:58:10.360
 kids

00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:12.739
 so she

00:58:12.739 --> 00:58:13.940
 really loves

00:58:13.940 --> 00:58:14.779
 science

00:58:14.779 --> 00:58:15.099
 she really

00:58:15.099 --> 00:58:15.659
 loved learning

00:58:15.659 --> 00:58:16.920
 loved

00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:17.339
 she's still

00:58:17.339 --> 00:58:17.579
 alive

00:58:17.579 --> 00:58:17.900
 she's coming

00:58:17.900 --> 00:58:18.179
 tomorrow

00:58:18.179 --> 00:58:18.480
 to my

00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:18.719
 house

00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:19.579
 so don't

00:58:19.579 --> 00:58:20.059
 worry about

00:58:20.059 --> 00:58:20.360
 that

00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:21.380
 but

00:58:21.380 --> 00:58:23.240
 she

00:58:23.240 --> 00:58:23.559
 loved

00:58:23.559 --> 00:58:24.059
 science

00:58:24.059 --> 00:58:25.180
 and so

00:58:25.180 --> 00:58:25.740
 from an

00:58:25.740 --> 00:58:26.420
 early age

00:58:26.420 --> 00:58:27.300
 we just

00:58:27.300 --> 00:58:28.440
 were sort

00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:29.099
 of saturated

00:58:29.099 --> 00:58:29.800
 in this

00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:31.420
 culture of

00:58:31.420 --> 00:58:32.400
 loving

00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:33.039
 science

00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:34.400
 you know

00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:35.840
 ironically

00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:39.000
 I would

00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:39.480
 say if I

00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:39.820
 had to look

00:58:39.820 --> 00:58:41.039
 back and

00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:41.900
 place myself

00:58:41.900 --> 00:58:42.300
 sort of in

00:58:42.300 --> 00:58:42.700
 a tradition

00:58:42.700 --> 00:58:43.200
 I would say

00:58:43.200 --> 00:58:43.599
 I grew up

00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:43.780
 in a

00:58:43.780 --> 00:58:44.519
 fundamentalist

00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:45.800
 household

00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:47.900
 but we

00:58:47.900 --> 00:58:48.200
 didn't really

00:58:48.200 --> 00:58:48.600
 ever see

00:58:48.600 --> 00:58:49.380
 a problem

00:58:49.380 --> 00:58:50.280
 with that

00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:51.380
 and the

00:58:51.380 --> 00:58:51.740
 love of

00:58:51.740 --> 00:58:52.080
 science

00:58:52.080 --> 00:58:52.400
 so

00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:53.200
 anyways

00:58:53.200 --> 00:58:53.539
 that's

00:58:53.539 --> 00:58:54.220
 where I

00:58:54.220 --> 00:58:54.780
 I've come

00:58:54.780 --> 00:58:55.140
 from

00:58:55.140 --> 00:58:55.940
 my oldest

00:58:55.940 --> 00:58:56.240
 brother

00:58:56.240 --> 00:58:56.660
 is a

00:58:56.660 --> 00:58:57.320
 biochemist

00:58:57.320 --> 00:58:58.039
 my next

00:58:58.039 --> 00:58:58.240
 oldest

00:58:58.240 --> 00:58:58.500
 brother

00:58:58.500 --> 00:58:58.860
 has a

00:58:58.860 --> 00:58:59.100
 degree

00:58:59.100 --> 00:58:59.280
 in

00:58:59.280 --> 00:58:59.539
 chemical

00:58:59.539 --> 00:59:00.000
 engineering

00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:01.039
 my next

00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:01.260
 oldest

00:59:01.260 --> 00:59:01.560
 brother

00:59:01.560 --> 00:59:02.120
 is a

00:59:02.120 --> 00:59:02.420
 nurse

00:59:02.420 --> 00:59:03.500
 I'm

00:59:03.500 --> 00:59:03.820
 next

00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:04.660
 I'm

00:59:04.660 --> 00:59:04.880
 whatever

00:59:04.880 --> 00:59:05.300
 I am

00:59:05.300 --> 00:59:05.720
 and then

00:59:05.720 --> 00:59:06.680
 my younger

00:59:06.680 --> 00:59:06.960
 brother

00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:07.240
 is a

00:59:07.240 --> 00:59:07.880
 biochemist

00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:09.200
 so there's

00:59:09.200 --> 00:59:09.400
 a lot

00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:09.940
 of scientists

00:59:09.940 --> 00:59:10.519
 in my

00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:10.940
 family

00:59:10.940 --> 00:59:13.420
 which is

00:59:13.420 --> 00:59:13.600
 great

00:59:13.600 --> 00:59:13.960
 I mean

00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:15.240
 you know

00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:16.179
 it's a

00:59:16.179 --> 00:59:16.439
 testament

00:59:16.439 --> 00:59:16.739
 to my

00:59:16.739 --> 00:59:17.059
 mom

00:59:17.059 --> 00:59:17.739
 and her

00:59:17.739 --> 00:59:18.339
 love

00:59:18.339 --> 00:59:18.699
 of it

00:59:18.699 --> 00:59:19.519
 neither

00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:20.339
 of my

00:59:20.339 --> 00:59:20.599
 parents

00:59:20.599 --> 00:59:21.079
 had any

00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:21.619
 college

00:59:21.619 --> 00:59:22.079
 degrees

00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:24.239
 but education

00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:25.959
 and science

00:59:25.959 --> 00:59:26.319
 were very

00:59:26.319 --> 00:59:26.779
 important to

00:59:26.779 --> 00:59:27.000
 them

00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:29.539
 and then

00:59:29.539 --> 00:59:31.119
 theologically

00:59:31.119 --> 00:59:31.699
 we were

00:59:31.699 --> 00:59:32.159
 doing a

00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:32.399
 bunch of

00:59:32.399 --> 00:59:33.059
 apologetics

00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:33.939
 so that

00:59:33.939 --> 00:59:34.359
 sort of

00:59:34.359 --> 00:59:34.679
 helped

00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:36.179
 in any

00:59:36.179 --> 00:59:36.559
 of the

00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:37.479
 places

00:59:37.479 --> 00:59:37.839
 where I

00:59:37.839 --> 00:59:38.019
 would

00:59:38.019 --> 00:59:39.179
 normally

00:59:39.179 --> 00:59:40.919
 if you

00:59:40.919 --> 00:59:41.399
 hear the

00:59:41.399 --> 00:59:42.099
 back story

00:59:42.099 --> 00:59:42.379
 of the

00:59:42.379 --> 00:59:42.599
 person

00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:42.779
 who's

00:59:42.779 --> 00:59:42.919
 into

00:59:42.919 --> 00:59:43.259
 science

00:59:43.259 --> 00:59:43.500
 but they

00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:43.739
 were like

00:59:43.739 --> 00:59:44.279
 oh man

00:59:44.279 --> 00:59:44.759
 Christianity

00:59:44.760 --> 00:59:46.640
 apologetics

00:59:46.640 --> 00:59:47.140
 really helps

00:59:47.140 --> 00:59:47.420
 with a lot

00:59:47.420 --> 00:59:47.620
 of the

00:59:47.620 --> 00:59:48.080
 dissonance

00:59:48.080 --> 00:59:48.480
 that you

00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:48.940
 would

00:59:48.940 --> 00:59:49.420
 normally

00:59:49.420 --> 00:59:49.820
 feel

00:59:49.820 --> 00:59:50.980
 just to

00:59:50.980 --> 00:59:51.180
 know

00:59:51.180 --> 00:59:51.440
 that there

00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:51.820
 are people

00:59:51.820 --> 00:59:52.340
 out there

00:59:52.340 --> 00:59:53.260
 who acknowledge

00:59:53.260 --> 00:59:55.620
 you know

00:59:55.620 --> 00:59:56.040
 who are

00:59:56.040 --> 00:59:56.680
 willing to

00:59:56.680 --> 00:59:57.000
 acknowledge

00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:57.460
 the scientific

00:59:57.460 --> 00:59:57.940
 information

00:59:57.940 --> 00:59:58.660
 and don't

00:59:58.660 --> 00:59:59.040
 see a

00:59:59.040 --> 00:59:59.260
 problem

00:59:59.260 --> 00:59:59.580
 with that

00:59:59.580 --> 01:00:00.040
 with

01:00:00.040 --> 01:00:00.460
 Christianity

01:00:00.460 --> 01:00:01.040
 it's really

01:00:01.040 --> 01:00:02.500
 a confidence

01:00:02.500 --> 01:00:03.220
 building thing

01:00:03.220 --> 01:00:03.740
 and I would

01:00:03.740 --> 01:00:04.540
 suggest that

01:00:04.540 --> 01:00:04.920
 everybody do

01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:05.220
 that with

01:00:05.220 --> 01:00:05.620
 their kids

01:00:05.620 --> 01:00:06.740
 get them

01:00:06.740 --> 01:00:06.940
 into

01:00:06.940 --> 01:00:07.680
 apologetics

01:00:07.680 --> 01:00:08.260
 it'll

01:00:08.260 --> 01:00:08.420
 help

01:00:08.420 --> 01:00:08.760
 them

01:00:08.760 --> 01:00:11.120
 yeah

01:00:11.120 --> 01:00:11.800
 thanks for

01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:11.920
 that

01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:12.260
 any other

01:00:12.260 --> 01:00:12.820
 questions

01:00:12.820 --> 01:00:15.800
 yeah

01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:16.160
 Amos

01:00:16.160 --> 01:00:16.500
 lay it

01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:16.820
 on me

01:00:16.820 --> 01:00:19.000
 he's the

01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:19.539
 real scientist

01:00:19.539 --> 01:00:20.059
 in the room

01:00:20.059 --> 01:00:20.380
 I don't

01:00:20.380 --> 01:00:21.519
 he actually

01:00:21.519 --> 01:00:21.900
 does real

01:00:21.900 --> 01:00:22.320
 stuff

01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.180
 not a

01:00:24.180 --> 01:00:24.480
 scientist

01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:25.600
 anymore

01:00:25.600 --> 01:00:26.440
 no

01:00:26.440 --> 01:00:28.220
 my question

01:00:28.220 --> 01:00:28.539
 is

01:00:28.539 --> 01:00:31.780
 evolution

01:00:31.780 --> 01:00:32.320
 is kind

01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:32.680
 of tricky

01:00:32.680 --> 01:00:33.420
 to discuss

01:00:33.420 --> 01:00:34.200
 because

01:00:34.200 --> 01:00:37.100
 you know

01:00:37.100 --> 01:00:37.580
 getting into

01:00:37.580 --> 01:00:38.320
 like kind

01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:38.580
 of the

01:00:38.580 --> 01:00:39.059
 facts

01:00:39.059 --> 01:00:39.559
 is

01:00:39.559 --> 01:00:40.639
 hard

01:00:40.639 --> 01:00:41.759
 yeah

01:00:41.759 --> 01:00:45.079
 but

01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:45.659
 physics

01:00:45.659 --> 01:00:46.139
 I've

01:00:46.139 --> 01:00:46.519
 found

01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:46.920
 to be

01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:47.179
 a little

01:00:47.179 --> 01:00:47.460
 bit

01:00:47.460 --> 01:00:48.400
 simpler

01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:48.820
 in some

01:00:48.820 --> 01:00:49.199
 ways

01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:49.579
 yeah

01:00:49.579 --> 01:00:52.119
 and it

01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:52.360
 makes

01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:52.639
 some

01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:53.659
 you know

01:00:53.659 --> 01:00:53.799
 the

01:00:53.799 --> 01:00:54.679
 physicists

01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:55.340
 make some

01:00:55.340 --> 01:00:55.519
 pretty

01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:56.059
 concrete

01:00:56.059 --> 01:00:56.519
 claims

01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:56.900
 like

01:00:56.900 --> 01:00:57.360
 specifically

01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:57.980
 age of

01:00:57.980 --> 01:00:58.179
 the

01:00:58.179 --> 01:00:58.579
 universe

01:00:58.579 --> 01:00:59.460
 yeah

01:00:59.460 --> 01:01:02.460
 so

01:01:02.460 --> 01:01:03.159
 like in

01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:03.480
 one hand

01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:04.099
 biology is

01:01:04.099 --> 01:01:04.460
 messy

01:01:04.460 --> 01:01:05.219
 any

01:01:05.219 --> 01:01:05.759
 biologist

01:01:05.759 --> 01:01:05.960
 would

01:01:05.960 --> 01:01:06.199
 disagree

01:01:06.199 --> 01:01:06.400
 with

01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:06.619
 that

01:01:06.619 --> 01:01:07.000
 yeah

01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:07.519
 physics

01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:07.960
 is a

01:01:07.960 --> 01:01:08.019
 little

01:01:08.019 --> 01:01:08.299
 bit

01:01:08.299 --> 01:01:09.279
 cleaner

01:01:09.280 --> 01:01:09.780
 yeah

01:01:09.780 --> 01:01:09.980
 in that

01:01:09.980 --> 01:01:10.320
 sense

01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.380
 but it

01:01:12.380 --> 01:01:12.780
 seems like

01:01:12.780 --> 01:01:12.980
 the

01:01:12.980 --> 01:01:13.519
 discussions

01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:13.980
 tend to

01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:14.580
 focus on

01:01:14.580 --> 01:01:15.720
 biology

01:01:15.720 --> 01:01:16.320
 and evolution

01:01:16.320 --> 01:01:18.760
 and

01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:19.220
 yeah

01:01:19.220 --> 01:01:19.620
 but it

01:01:19.620 --> 01:01:20.400
 seems like

01:01:20.400 --> 01:01:20.860
 the first

01:01:20.860 --> 01:01:21.440
 quite like

01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:21.940
 in order to

01:01:21.940 --> 01:01:22.680
 assess micro

01:01:22.680 --> 01:01:23.380
 versus macro

01:01:23.380 --> 01:01:23.780
 the first

01:01:23.780 --> 01:01:24.019
 thing you

01:01:24.019 --> 01:01:24.420
 have to do

01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:25.060
 is decide

01:01:25.060 --> 01:01:25.680
 how old

01:01:25.680 --> 01:01:26.060
 you think

01:01:26.060 --> 01:01:27.600
 because

01:01:27.600 --> 01:01:28.660
 obviously

01:01:28.660 --> 01:01:29.600
 small changes

01:01:29.600 --> 01:01:30.080
 can add up

01:01:30.080 --> 01:01:30.340
 to big

01:01:30.340 --> 01:01:30.740
 changes

01:01:30.740 --> 01:01:31.000
 right

01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:31.200
 yeah

01:01:31.200 --> 01:01:31.720
 of course

01:01:31.720 --> 01:01:32.680
 very definition

01:01:32.680 --> 01:01:33.540
 of you know

01:01:33.540 --> 01:01:33.780
 that's a

01:01:33.780 --> 01:01:34.480
 mathematical

01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:36.820
 statement

01:01:36.820 --> 01:01:37.400
 right

01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:38.960
 so the

01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:39.220
 first thing

01:01:39.220 --> 01:01:39.360
 you have

01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:39.539
 to do

01:01:39.539 --> 01:01:40.000
 is decide

01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:40.420
 how many

01:01:40.420 --> 01:01:40.960
 years

01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:42.300
 has

01:01:42.300 --> 01:01:42.960
 evolution

01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:43.220
 has

01:01:43.220 --> 01:01:43.539
 micro

01:01:43.539 --> 01:01:43.980
 evolution

01:01:43.980 --> 01:01:44.360
 which

01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:44.579
 everybody

01:01:44.579 --> 01:01:44.880
 agrees

01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:45.200
 with

01:01:45.200 --> 01:01:46.780
 how many

01:01:46.780 --> 01:01:47.099
 years

01:01:47.099 --> 01:01:47.340
 has

01:01:47.340 --> 01:01:47.660
 micro

01:01:47.660 --> 01:01:48.039
 evolution

01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:48.360
 had a

01:01:48.360 --> 01:01:48.599
 chance

01:01:48.599 --> 01:01:49.180
 to operate

01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:50.059
 yeah

01:01:50.059 --> 01:01:50.740
 before you

01:01:50.740 --> 01:01:51.260
 start even

01:01:51.260 --> 01:01:51.680
 deciding

01:01:51.680 --> 01:01:52.460
 what could

01:01:52.460 --> 01:01:52.700
 or could

01:01:52.700 --> 01:01:52.980
 not have

01:01:52.980 --> 01:01:53.300
 happened

01:01:53.300 --> 01:01:55.440
 or you

01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:55.539
 know

01:01:55.539 --> 01:01:55.880
 where

01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:57.980
 you know

01:01:57.980 --> 01:01:58.740
 where the

01:01:58.740 --> 01:01:59.440
 where you

01:01:59.440 --> 01:01:59.980
 draw the line

01:01:59.980 --> 01:02:00.680
 between micro

01:02:00.680 --> 01:02:01.240
 which everybody

01:02:01.240 --> 01:02:01.700
 agrees with

01:02:01.700 --> 01:02:02.099
 and macro

01:02:02.099 --> 01:02:02.519
 which

01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:03.300
 if you're

01:02:03.300 --> 01:02:03.619
 using the

01:02:03.619 --> 01:02:03.840
 phrase

01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:04.059
 you're

01:02:04.059 --> 01:02:05.139
 maybe saying

01:02:05.139 --> 01:02:05.420
 that you

01:02:05.420 --> 01:02:05.759
 don't agree

01:02:05.759 --> 01:02:06.039
 with

01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:06.599
 right

01:02:06.599 --> 01:02:07.019
 right

01:02:07.019 --> 01:02:07.619
 yeah

01:02:07.619 --> 01:02:09.019
 you're using

01:02:09.019 --> 01:02:09.460
 that phrase

01:02:09.460 --> 01:02:10.000
 to outline

01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:10.879
 the category

01:02:10.879 --> 01:02:11.319
 of things

01:02:11.319 --> 01:02:11.839
 exactly

01:02:11.839 --> 01:02:12.239
 yeah

01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:14.519
 so there's

01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:14.879
 kind of like

01:02:14.879 --> 01:02:15.359
 a

01:02:15.359 --> 01:02:18.420
 how do I

01:02:18.420 --> 01:02:18.659
 say it

01:02:18.659 --> 01:02:19.159
 what's my

01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:19.539
 question

01:02:19.539 --> 01:02:20.679
 where

01:02:20.679 --> 01:02:21.900
 why is it

01:02:21.900 --> 01:02:22.359
 that people

01:02:22.359 --> 01:02:23.480
 or do people

01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:24.000
 tend to talk

01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:24.359
 more about

01:02:24.359 --> 01:02:24.839
 evolution

01:02:24.839 --> 01:02:26.679
 more so than

01:02:26.679 --> 01:02:27.179
 physics

01:02:27.179 --> 01:02:28.599
 or

01:02:28.599 --> 01:02:30.659
 yeah I think

01:02:30.659 --> 01:02:31.099
 it depends

01:02:31.099 --> 01:02:32.099
 on your

01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:33.139
 your area

01:02:33.139 --> 01:02:35.039
 I find

01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:35.519
 that

01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:36.539
 philosophers

01:02:36.539 --> 01:02:37.559
 professional

01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:38.119
 philosophers

01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:39.000
 like William Lane

01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:39.319
 Craig

01:02:39.319 --> 01:02:39.759
 Alvin

01:02:39.759 --> 01:02:40.339
 Plantinga

01:02:40.339 --> 01:02:41.779
 these guys

01:02:41.779 --> 01:02:43.159
 really

01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:44.500
 didn't really

01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:45.059
 like to talk

01:02:45.059 --> 01:02:45.679
 about biology

01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:46.119
 at all

01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:46.659
 you know

01:02:46.659 --> 01:02:47.339
 they wanted

01:02:47.339 --> 01:02:47.679
 to talk

01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:48.219
 about physics

01:02:48.219 --> 01:02:49.019
 because like

01:02:49.019 --> 01:02:49.299
 you said

01:02:49.299 --> 01:02:49.579
 it's very

01:02:49.579 --> 01:02:49.940
 clear

01:02:49.940 --> 01:02:52.039
 you know

01:02:52.039 --> 01:02:53.099
 William Lane

01:02:53.099 --> 01:02:53.460
 Craig is

01:02:53.460 --> 01:02:53.940
 famous for

01:02:53.940 --> 01:02:54.379
 his

01:02:54.379 --> 01:02:55.839
 his reworking

01:02:55.839 --> 01:02:56.219
 of the

01:02:56.219 --> 01:02:57.259
 cosmological

01:02:57.259 --> 01:02:57.879
 argument

01:02:57.879 --> 01:02:58.879
 Alvin

01:02:58.879 --> 01:02:59.299
 Plantinga

01:02:59.299 --> 01:02:59.639
 has his

01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:00.819
 own

01:03:00.819 --> 01:03:02.000
 set of

01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:03.059
 philosophical

01:03:03.059 --> 01:03:03.519
 arguments

01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:03.820
 like the

01:03:03.820 --> 01:03:04.299
 contingency

01:03:04.299 --> 01:03:04.659
 argument

01:03:04.659 --> 01:03:05.500
 but the

01:03:05.500 --> 01:03:06.340
 philosophers

01:03:06.340 --> 01:03:07.019
 I've

01:03:07.019 --> 01:03:07.759
 found

01:03:07.759 --> 01:03:08.940
 are

01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:09.699
 more

01:03:09.699 --> 01:03:10.000
 comfortable

01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:10.340
 talking

01:03:10.340 --> 01:03:10.679
 about

01:03:10.679 --> 01:03:11.299
 the

01:03:11.299 --> 01:03:12.279
 evidence

01:03:12.279 --> 01:03:12.860
 for God

01:03:12.860 --> 01:03:13.699
 in physics

01:03:13.699 --> 01:03:15.759
 and actually

01:03:15.759 --> 01:03:16.039
 I would

01:03:16.039 --> 01:03:16.759
 I should

01:03:16.759 --> 01:03:17.480
 say that

01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:18.380
 intelligent

01:03:18.380 --> 01:03:18.900
 design

01:03:18.900 --> 01:03:19.519
 people

01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:20.079
 and

01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:20.559
 theistic

01:03:20.559 --> 01:03:21.139
 evolutionists

01:03:21.139 --> 01:03:22.119
 both agree

01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:24.139
 on arguments

01:03:24.139 --> 01:03:24.759
 such as

01:03:24.759 --> 01:03:25.299
 the fine

01:03:25.299 --> 01:03:25.639
 tuning

01:03:25.639 --> 01:03:26.179
 argument

01:03:26.179 --> 01:03:27.860
 of physics

01:03:27.860 --> 01:03:28.259
 they are

01:03:28.259 --> 01:03:29.179
 they agree

01:03:29.179 --> 01:03:29.779
 on

01:03:29.779 --> 01:03:30.400
 mostly

01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:30.900
 on

01:03:30.900 --> 01:03:31.539
 the

01:03:31.539 --> 01:03:32.720
 cosmological

01:03:32.720 --> 01:03:33.240
 arguments

01:03:33.240 --> 01:03:33.840
 for God

01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:34.599
 they would

01:03:34.599 --> 01:03:34.800
 agree

01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:35.099
 on the

01:03:35.099 --> 01:03:35.780
 contingency

01:03:35.780 --> 01:03:36.240
 arguments

01:03:36.240 --> 01:03:37.160
 so

01:03:37.160 --> 01:03:38.860
 I think

01:03:38.860 --> 01:03:39.880
 sometimes

01:03:39.880 --> 01:03:40.320
 the reason

01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:40.660
 that

01:03:40.660 --> 01:03:41.599
 biology

01:03:41.599 --> 01:03:42.079
 is

01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:42.559
 in the

01:03:42.559 --> 01:03:42.900
 forefront

01:03:42.900 --> 01:03:43.400
 from a lot

01:03:43.400 --> 01:03:43.599
 of these

01:03:43.599 --> 01:03:44.160
 discussions

01:03:44.160 --> 01:03:44.579
 is that

01:03:44.579 --> 01:03:44.760
 there's

01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:45.139
 less

01:03:45.139 --> 01:03:45.619
 agreement

01:03:45.619 --> 01:03:47.559
 there is

01:03:47.559 --> 01:03:47.800
 more

01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:48.079
 agreement

01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:48.380
 on the

01:03:48.380 --> 01:03:48.599
 physics

01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:48.840
 side

01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:49.180
 of things

01:03:49.180 --> 01:03:49.519
 but

01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:49.760
 I

01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:50.320
 understand

01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:50.460
 what

01:03:50.460 --> 01:03:50.579
 your

01:03:50.579 --> 01:03:50.880
 argument

01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:51.180
 is

01:03:51.180 --> 01:03:51.360
 which

01:03:51.360 --> 01:03:51.660
 is

01:03:51.659 --> 01:03:53.759
 I

01:03:53.759 --> 01:03:53.920
 would

01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:54.319
 say

01:03:54.319 --> 01:03:55.000
 that

01:03:55.000 --> 01:03:57.299
 for

01:03:57.299 --> 01:03:57.659
 when it

01:03:57.659 --> 01:03:57.899
 comes to

01:03:57.899 --> 01:03:58.199
 the age

01:03:58.199 --> 01:03:58.420
 of the

01:03:58.420 --> 01:03:58.799
 earth

01:03:58.799 --> 01:03:59.940
 there

01:03:59.940 --> 01:04:00.399
 are

01:04:00.399 --> 01:04:01.099
 a

01:04:01.099 --> 01:04:01.559
 variety

01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:01.980
 of

01:04:01.980 --> 01:04:02.339
 different

01:04:02.339 --> 01:04:03.079
 streams

01:04:03.079 --> 01:04:03.299
 of

01:04:03.299 --> 01:04:03.799
 evidence

01:04:03.799 --> 01:04:05.379
 that

01:04:05.379 --> 01:04:05.639
 seem

01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:05.759
 to

01:04:05.759 --> 01:04:06.119
 indicate

01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:06.679
 an

01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:07.279
 age

01:04:07.279 --> 01:04:07.440
 an

01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:07.759
 old

01:04:07.759 --> 01:04:08.179
 earth

01:04:08.179 --> 01:04:08.879
 right

01:04:08.879 --> 01:04:10.099
 now

01:04:10.099 --> 01:04:10.339
 young

01:04:10.339 --> 01:04:10.460
 earth

01:04:10.460 --> 01:04:11.000
 creationists

01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:11.339
 would

01:04:11.339 --> 01:04:12.940
 either

01:04:12.940 --> 01:04:13.659
 dispute

01:04:13.659 --> 01:04:14.960
 each

01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:15.239
 of these

01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:15.519
 different

01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:15.799
 lines

01:04:15.799 --> 01:04:15.920
 of

01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:16.420
 evidence

01:04:16.420 --> 01:04:16.839
 on their

01:04:16.839 --> 01:04:17.059
 own

01:04:17.059 --> 01:04:17.420
 terms

01:04:17.420 --> 01:04:17.960
 or

01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:18.299
 they

01:04:18.299 --> 01:04:18.480
 would

01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:18.799
 argue

01:04:18.799 --> 01:04:19.379
 in

01:04:19.379 --> 01:04:20.079
 general

01:04:20.079 --> 01:04:20.960
 of

01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:21.559
 they

01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:21.659
 would

01:04:21.659 --> 01:04:21.800
 make

01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:22.059
 a

01:04:22.059 --> 01:04:22.559
 philosophical

01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:22.940
 argument

01:04:22.940 --> 01:04:23.220
 about

01:04:23.220 --> 01:04:23.599
 what

01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:23.760
 the

01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:24.519
 capabilities

01:04:24.519 --> 01:04:24.760
 of

01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:25.059
 science

01:04:25.059 --> 01:04:25.380
 are

01:04:25.380 --> 01:04:25.900
 to

01:04:25.900 --> 01:04:26.199
 discuss

01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:26.340
 the

01:04:26.340 --> 01:04:26.539
 earth

01:04:26.539 --> 01:04:26.800
 but

01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:27.019
 you're

01:04:27.019 --> 01:04:27.260
 right

01:04:27.260 --> 01:04:27.740
 the

01:04:27.740 --> 01:04:27.920
 thing

01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:28.220
 is

01:04:28.220 --> 01:04:28.480
 if

01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:28.579
 you're

01:04:28.579 --> 01:04:28.659
 a

01:04:28.659 --> 01:04:28.780
 young

01:04:28.780 --> 01:04:28.920
 earth

01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:29.400
 creationist

01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:30.119
 evolution

01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:30.380
 is

01:04:30.380 --> 01:04:31.039
 impossible

01:04:31.039 --> 01:04:31.960
 right

01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:32.240
 because

01:04:32.240 --> 01:04:32.539
 the

01:04:32.539 --> 01:04:32.780
 age

01:04:32.780 --> 01:04:32.880
 of

01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:32.960
 the

01:04:32.960 --> 01:04:34.699
 universe

01:04:34.699 --> 01:04:35.880
 precludes

01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:36.019
 that

01:04:36.019 --> 01:04:36.480
 possibility

01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:37.559
 so

01:04:37.559 --> 01:04:39.179
 you're

01:04:39.179 --> 01:04:39.500
 right

01:04:39.500 --> 01:04:40.659
 one of

01:04:40.659 --> 01:04:40.760
 the

01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:41.000
 reasons

01:04:41.000 --> 01:04:41.199
 I

01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:41.400
 wanted

01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:41.559
 to

01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:41.800
 do

01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:42.159
 the

01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:42.440
 next

01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:42.940
 class

01:04:42.940 --> 01:04:43.460
 which

01:04:43.460 --> 01:04:43.619
 is

01:04:43.619 --> 01:04:44.059
 on

01:04:44.059 --> 01:04:44.639
 the

01:04:44.639 --> 01:04:46.119
 balance

01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:46.320
 between

01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:46.619
 general

01:04:46.619 --> 01:04:46.780
 and

01:04:46.780 --> 01:04:47.039
 special

01:04:47.039 --> 01:04:47.500
 revelation

01:04:47.500 --> 01:04:47.920
 is

01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:48.320
 because

01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:49.679
 in

01:04:49.679 --> 01:04:49.960
 this

01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:50.500
 class

01:04:50.500 --> 01:04:51.860
 in a

01:04:51.860 --> 01:04:52.000
 lot

01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:52.139
 of

01:04:52.139 --> 01:04:52.480
 ways

01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:52.900
 it's

01:04:52.900 --> 01:04:53.079
 sort

01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:53.400
 of

01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:54.780
 excluding

01:04:54.780 --> 01:04:56.239
 a lot

01:04:56.239 --> 01:04:56.340
 of

01:04:56.340 --> 01:04:56.500
 young

01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:56.619
 earth

01:04:56.619 --> 01:04:57.280
 creationists

01:04:57.280 --> 01:04:58.460
 because

01:04:58.460 --> 01:04:59.599
 they

01:04:59.599 --> 01:05:00.219
 would

01:05:00.219 --> 01:05:00.380
 just

01:05:00.380 --> 01:05:00.579
 say

01:05:00.579 --> 01:05:01.420
 why

01:05:01.420 --> 01:05:02.320
 why

01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:02.760
 are we

01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:02.920
 even

01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:03.219
 talking

01:05:03.219 --> 01:05:03.760
 about it

01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:04.039
 right

01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:04.420
 because

01:05:04.420 --> 01:05:04.599
 it's

01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:05.039
 impossible

01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:05.860
 what

01:05:05.860 --> 01:05:05.980
 what

01:05:05.980 --> 01:05:06.099
 I

01:05:06.099 --> 01:05:06.239
 want

01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:06.320
 to

01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:07.900
 bring

01:05:07.900 --> 01:05:08.039
 them

01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:08.239
 into

01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:08.380
 the

01:05:08.380 --> 01:05:08.800
 discussion

01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:09.940
 and

01:05:09.940 --> 01:05:11.579
 explain

01:05:11.579 --> 01:05:12.659
 where

01:05:12.659 --> 01:05:13.000
 they

01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:13.239
 come

01:05:13.239 --> 01:05:13.460
 from

01:05:13.460 --> 01:05:13.619
 where

01:05:13.619 --> 01:05:13.940
 other

01:05:13.940 --> 01:05:14.519
 positions

01:05:14.519 --> 01:05:14.699
 are

01:05:14.699 --> 01:05:14.980
 coming

01:05:14.980 --> 01:05:15.400
 from

01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:16.380
 and

01:05:16.380 --> 01:05:16.500
 if

01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:16.579
 you

01:05:16.579 --> 01:05:16.779
 think

01:05:16.779 --> 01:05:17.179
 about it

01:05:17.179 --> 01:05:17.380
 if

01:05:17.380 --> 01:05:17.800
 intelligent

01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:18.219
 design

01:05:18.219 --> 01:05:18.539
 is the

01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:18.800
 argument

01:05:18.800 --> 01:05:19.099
 that we

01:05:19.099 --> 01:05:19.239
 can

01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:19.759
 see

01:05:19.759 --> 01:05:20.360
 the

01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:20.980
 detectable

01:05:20.980 --> 01:05:21.460
 evidence

01:05:21.460 --> 01:05:21.599
 of

01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:21.880
 design

01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:22.079
 in

01:05:22.079 --> 01:05:22.320
 nature

01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:22.500
 you

01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:22.619
 would

01:05:22.619 --> 01:05:23.719
 expect

01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:24.159
 a

01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:24.279
 young

01:05:24.279 --> 01:05:24.400
 earth

01:05:24.400 --> 01:05:25.000
 creationist

01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:25.639
 to be

01:05:25.639 --> 01:05:25.800
 like

01:05:25.800 --> 01:05:26.300
 obviously

01:05:26.300 --> 01:05:27.460
 right

01:05:27.460 --> 01:05:27.900
 because

01:05:27.900 --> 01:05:28.800
 nature

01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:31.320
 animals

01:05:31.320 --> 01:05:31.679
 human

01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:32.019
 beings

01:05:32.019 --> 01:05:32.420
 all of

01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:32.659
 nature

01:05:32.659 --> 01:05:32.900
 was

01:05:32.900 --> 01:05:33.380
 specially

01:05:33.380 --> 01:05:33.960
 created

01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:34.719
 in a

01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:35.059
 miracle

01:05:35.059 --> 01:05:35.639
 right

01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:37.039
 and so

01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:37.840
 they

01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:38.079
 would

01:05:38.079 --> 01:05:39.699
 they are

01:05:39.699 --> 01:05:40.219
 all

01:05:40.219 --> 01:05:41.079
 from what

01:05:41.079 --> 01:05:41.599
 I understand

01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:42.340
 almost all

01:05:42.340 --> 01:05:42.519
 young

01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:42.679
 earth

01:05:42.679 --> 01:05:43.219
 creationists

01:05:43.219 --> 01:05:43.619
 are

01:05:43.619 --> 01:05:44.079
 ID

01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:44.659
 proponents

01:05:44.659 --> 01:05:46.420
 but

01:05:46.420 --> 01:05:46.539
 they

01:05:46.539 --> 01:05:46.800
 at the

01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:46.980
 same

01:05:46.980 --> 01:05:47.239
 time

01:05:47.239 --> 01:05:47.400
 would

01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:47.719
 say

01:05:47.719 --> 01:05:48.099
 well

01:05:48.099 --> 01:05:48.360
 a lot

01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:48.460
 of

01:05:48.460 --> 01:05:48.780
 those

01:05:48.780 --> 01:05:49.159
 ID

01:05:49.159 --> 01:05:49.500
 guys

01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:49.679
 they're

01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:49.860
 older

01:05:49.860 --> 01:05:50.639
 creationists

01:05:50.639 --> 01:05:51.119
 you know

01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:51.679
 they don't

01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:52.059
 they don't

01:05:52.059 --> 01:05:52.480
 really know

01:05:52.480 --> 01:05:53.820
 what's

01:05:53.820 --> 01:05:54.119
 going on

01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:54.340
 but their

01:05:54.340 --> 01:05:54.699
 arguments

01:05:54.699 --> 01:05:55.059
 about

01:05:55.059 --> 01:05:55.579
 science

01:05:55.579 --> 01:05:55.980
 are good

01:05:55.980 --> 01:05:56.420
 right

01:05:56.420 --> 01:05:57.420
 and so

01:05:57.420 --> 01:05:59.820
 yeah

01:05:59.820 --> 01:06:00.719
 the problem

01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:01.079
 is because

01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:01.480
 of all

01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:01.639
 these

01:06:01.639 --> 01:06:02.279
 overlapping

01:06:02.279 --> 01:06:03.920
 arguments

01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:04.480
 because

01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:05.079
 really

01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:05.440
 the age

01:06:05.440 --> 01:06:05.659
 of the

01:06:05.659 --> 01:06:05.960
 earth

01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:07.339
 is sort

01:06:07.339 --> 01:06:07.759
 of a

01:06:07.759 --> 01:06:08.179
 backdrop

01:06:08.179 --> 01:06:09.980
 in which

01:06:09.980 --> 01:06:10.900
 the scientific

01:06:10.900 --> 01:06:11.659
 discussion

01:06:11.659 --> 01:06:12.219
 of biology

01:06:12.219 --> 01:06:12.799
 is happening

01:06:12.799 --> 01:06:13.539
 right

01:06:13.539 --> 01:06:15.420
 and so

01:06:15.420 --> 01:06:16.440
 for me

01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:16.699
 to do

01:06:16.699 --> 01:06:17.319
 a class

01:06:17.319 --> 01:06:17.679
 on

01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:18.259
 intelligent

01:06:18.259 --> 01:06:18.619
 design

01:06:18.619 --> 01:06:18.859
 versus

01:06:18.859 --> 01:06:19.219
 theistic

01:06:19.219 --> 01:06:19.699
 evolution

01:06:19.699 --> 01:06:21.460
 I have

01:06:21.460 --> 01:06:22.279
 to sort

01:06:22.279 --> 01:06:22.500
 of

01:06:22.500 --> 01:06:23.699
 I want

01:06:23.699 --> 01:06:24.199
 to acknowledge

01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:24.679
 the backdrop

01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:25.799
 but I have

01:06:25.799 --> 01:06:26.059
 to sort

01:06:26.059 --> 01:06:26.379
 of move

01:06:26.379 --> 01:06:27.239
 in to

01:06:27.239 --> 01:06:27.739
 the specific

01:06:27.739 --> 01:06:28.239
 arguments

01:06:28.239 --> 01:06:29.519
 of biology

01:06:29.519 --> 01:06:30.799
 so yeah

01:06:30.800 --> 01:06:31.680
 it's a

01:06:31.680 --> 01:06:32.000
 tough

01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:32.780
 picture

01:06:32.780 --> 01:06:34.039
 you know

01:06:34.039 --> 01:06:35.460
 and I

01:06:35.460 --> 01:06:35.820
 think

01:06:35.820 --> 01:06:40.380
 there are

01:06:40.380 --> 01:06:41.100
 if

01:06:41.100 --> 01:06:41.980
 one of the

01:06:41.980 --> 01:06:42.480
 reasons why

01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:43.160
 I felt

01:06:43.160 --> 01:06:43.480
 inadequate

01:06:43.480 --> 01:06:43.980
 doing this

01:06:43.980 --> 01:06:44.380
 class

01:06:44.380 --> 01:06:45.360
 is because

01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:46.320
 I could do

01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:46.760
 a whole

01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:47.300
 class

01:06:47.300 --> 01:06:48.920
 just on

01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:49.260
 young earth

01:06:49.260 --> 01:06:49.960
 creationism

01:06:49.960 --> 01:06:51.140
 and their

01:06:51.140 --> 01:06:52.240
 various arguments

01:06:52.240 --> 01:06:53.320
 for

01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:55.240
 the age

01:06:55.240 --> 01:06:55.519
 of the

01:06:55.519 --> 01:06:55.940
 universe

01:06:55.940 --> 01:06:56.420
 age of the

01:06:56.420 --> 01:06:56.720
 earth

01:06:56.720 --> 01:06:57.380
 their biblical

01:06:57.380 --> 01:06:57.900
 arguments

01:06:57.900 --> 01:06:58.619
 I want

01:06:58.619 --> 01:06:58.920
 to touch

01:06:58.920 --> 01:06:59.160
 a little

01:06:59.160 --> 01:06:59.460
 bit on

01:06:59.460 --> 01:06:59.639
 that

01:06:59.639 --> 01:07:00.119
 next

01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:00.380
 week

01:07:00.380 --> 01:07:01.920
 but I'm

01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:02.160
 not going

01:07:02.160 --> 01:07:02.280
 to do

01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:02.360
 them

01:07:02.360 --> 01:07:02.660
 justice

01:07:02.660 --> 01:07:03.380
 and I

01:07:03.380 --> 01:07:03.619
 feel

01:07:03.619 --> 01:07:04.360
 you know

01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:04.639
 I want

01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:04.860
 to make

01:07:04.860 --> 01:07:05.240
 sure that

01:07:05.240 --> 01:07:06.500
 they know

01:07:06.500 --> 01:07:06.920
 that I

01:07:06.920 --> 01:07:07.180
 know

01:07:07.180 --> 01:07:08.539
 that there

01:07:08.539 --> 01:07:08.880
 are people

01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:09.160
 who do

01:07:09.160 --> 01:07:09.300
 them

01:07:09.300 --> 01:07:09.680
 justice

01:07:09.680 --> 01:07:11.119
 right

01:07:11.119 --> 01:07:11.940
 whether or

01:07:11.940 --> 01:07:12.180
 not we

01:07:12.180 --> 01:07:12.400
 agree

01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:12.559
 with

01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:12.780
 them

01:07:12.780 --> 01:07:13.019
 right

01:07:13.019 --> 01:07:15.780
 you

01:07:15.780 --> 01:07:16.440
 mentioned

01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:16.820
 the

01:07:16.820 --> 01:07:18.079
 your

01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:18.519
 gratitude

01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:18.780
 for

01:07:18.780 --> 01:07:19.400
 apologetics

01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:20.059
 but

01:07:20.059 --> 01:07:21.039
 I wanted

01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:21.420
 to kind

01:07:21.420 --> 01:07:22.039
 of talk

01:07:22.039 --> 01:07:22.440
 about that

01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:22.680
 a little

01:07:22.680 --> 01:07:23.160
 because I

01:07:23.160 --> 01:07:23.480
 remember

01:07:23.480 --> 01:07:24.099
 a lot

01:07:24.099 --> 01:07:25.039
 of my

01:07:25.039 --> 01:07:25.380
 youth

01:07:25.380 --> 01:07:25.680
 group

01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:26.399
 apologetics

01:07:26.399 --> 01:07:26.859
 classes

01:07:26.859 --> 01:07:28.219
 being

01:07:28.219 --> 01:07:29.219
 more

01:07:29.219 --> 01:07:30.059
 of a

01:07:30.059 --> 01:07:30.460
 sword

01:07:30.460 --> 01:07:31.279
 to use

01:07:31.279 --> 01:07:31.879
 against

01:07:31.879 --> 01:07:33.099
 arguments

01:07:33.099 --> 01:07:34.399
 so

01:07:34.399 --> 01:07:35.079
 it would

01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:35.500
 be

01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:36.239
 my

01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:36.899
 thought

01:07:36.899 --> 01:07:37.339
 is

01:07:37.339 --> 01:07:37.679
 that

01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:38.519
 they

01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:38.960
 ultimately

01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:39.579
 failed me

01:07:39.579 --> 01:07:40.119
 is kind

01:07:40.119 --> 01:07:40.339
 of what

01:07:40.339 --> 01:07:40.679
 I was

01:07:40.679 --> 01:07:41.480
 going to

01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:42.019
 get at

01:07:42.019 --> 01:07:42.759
 and my

01:07:42.759 --> 01:07:43.619
 thought

01:07:43.619 --> 01:07:43.940
 is

01:07:43.940 --> 01:07:44.179
 going

01:07:44.179 --> 01:07:44.440
 through

01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:44.679
 this

01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:44.859
 is

01:07:44.859 --> 01:07:45.059
 seeing

01:07:45.059 --> 01:07:45.259
 that

01:07:45.259 --> 01:07:45.819
 it

01:07:45.819 --> 01:07:46.059
 seems

01:07:46.059 --> 01:07:46.339
 like

01:07:46.339 --> 01:07:46.940
 it

01:07:46.940 --> 01:07:47.179
 was

01:07:47.179 --> 01:07:47.779
 one

01:07:47.779 --> 01:07:47.980
 of a

01:07:47.980 --> 01:07:48.179
 couple

01:07:48.179 --> 01:07:48.679
 things

01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:49.339
 that

01:07:49.339 --> 01:07:49.659
 broke

01:07:49.659 --> 01:07:49.960
 down

01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:50.579
 was

01:07:50.579 --> 01:07:50.799
 that

01:07:50.799 --> 01:07:50.960
 it

01:07:50.960 --> 01:07:51.099
 was

01:07:51.099 --> 01:07:51.460
 either

01:07:51.460 --> 01:07:52.819
 philosophical

01:07:52.819 --> 01:07:53.500
 arguments

01:07:53.500 --> 01:07:54.599
 being put

01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:54.879
 forward

01:07:54.879 --> 01:07:55.059
 as

01:07:55.059 --> 01:07:55.460
 scientific

01:07:55.460 --> 01:07:55.880
 arguments

01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:56.059
 or

01:07:56.059 --> 01:07:56.360
 to

01:07:56.360 --> 01:07:56.780
 defeat

01:07:56.780 --> 01:07:57.380
 scientific

01:07:57.380 --> 01:07:57.760
 arguments

01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:58.039
 on the

01:07:58.039 --> 01:07:58.320
 opposing

01:07:58.320 --> 01:07:58.760
 side

01:07:58.760 --> 01:07:59.740
 or

01:07:59.740 --> 01:08:02.019
 cherry

01:08:02.019 --> 01:08:02.440
 picking

01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:03.380
 examples

01:08:03.380 --> 01:08:05.240
 for example

01:08:05.240 --> 01:08:06.619
 giraffes

01:08:06.619 --> 01:08:06.900
 have

01:08:06.900 --> 01:08:07.159
 these

01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:09.320
 special

01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:09.820
 mechanisms

01:08:09.820 --> 01:08:10.199
 in their

01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:10.480
 necks

01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:10.840
 so that

01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:11.300
 their brains

01:08:11.300 --> 01:08:11.920
 don't explode

01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:12.220
 when they

01:08:12.220 --> 01:08:12.579
 bend over

01:08:12.579 --> 01:08:13.800
 how would

01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:14.260
 that evolve

01:08:14.260 --> 01:08:16.600
 maybe that's

01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:17.319
 worth something

01:08:17.319 --> 01:08:17.680
 but then

01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:17.980
 you put

01:08:17.980 --> 01:08:18.579
 that forward

01:08:18.579 --> 01:08:19.460
 there's always

01:08:19.460 --> 01:08:20.100
 someone who's

01:08:20.100 --> 01:08:20.520
 going to be

01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:20.739
 able to

01:08:20.739 --> 01:08:21.159
 come back

01:08:21.159 --> 01:08:21.420
 at you

01:08:21.420 --> 01:08:21.779
 with three

01:08:21.779 --> 01:08:22.180
 more

01:08:22.180 --> 01:08:23.399
 arguments

01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:23.739
 that you

01:08:23.739 --> 01:08:24.000
 don't have

01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:24.359
 an answer

01:08:24.359 --> 01:08:24.579
 for

01:08:24.579 --> 01:08:25.260
 so

01:08:25.260 --> 01:08:25.880
 my

01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:26.260
 question

01:08:26.260 --> 01:08:26.559
 is

01:08:26.559 --> 01:08:27.300
 how can

01:08:27.300 --> 01:08:28.000
 you spot

01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.100
 good

01:08:29.100 --> 01:08:30.519
 apologetics

01:08:30.519 --> 01:08:31.199
 versus bad

01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:32.159
 apologetics

01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:35.859
 that is a

01:08:35.859 --> 01:08:36.720
 great question

01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:37.640
 I think

01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:38.739
 the

01:08:38.739 --> 01:08:39.779
 usefulness

01:08:39.779 --> 01:08:39.899
 of

01:08:39.899 --> 01:08:40.559
 apologetics

01:08:40.559 --> 01:08:41.800
 is primarily

01:08:41.800 --> 01:08:43.039
 in its

01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:43.979
 philosophical

01:08:43.979 --> 01:08:44.979
 training

01:08:44.979 --> 01:08:47.479
 many

01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:47.960
 many

01:08:47.960 --> 01:08:48.840
 apologists

01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:50.000
 will spend

01:08:50.000 --> 01:08:50.559
 the majority

01:08:50.559 --> 01:08:51.079
 of their time

01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:51.939
 teaching you

01:08:51.939 --> 01:08:53.019
 basic

01:08:53.019 --> 01:08:53.719
 philosophy

01:08:53.719 --> 01:08:55.119
 to understand

01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:57.279
 where

01:08:57.279 --> 01:08:58.199
 for instance

01:08:58.199 --> 01:08:58.779
 fallacies

01:08:58.779 --> 01:08:59.279
 are coming

01:08:59.279 --> 01:08:59.859
 from

01:08:59.859 --> 01:09:02.000
 where

01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.159
 yeah

01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:05.699
 so basically

01:09:05.699 --> 01:09:06.460
 so for instance

01:09:06.460 --> 01:09:06.859
 when I was

01:09:06.859 --> 01:09:07.479
 talking about

01:09:07.479 --> 01:09:07.919
 earlier

01:09:07.919 --> 01:09:08.979
 how scientific

01:09:08.979 --> 01:09:09.639
 materialism

01:09:09.639 --> 01:09:10.379
 or scientism

01:09:10.379 --> 01:09:11.619
 is a self

01:09:11.619 --> 01:09:12.000
 refuting

01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:12.399
 argument

01:09:12.399 --> 01:09:13.759
 that is

01:09:13.759 --> 01:09:13.960
 where

01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:14.979
 apologetics

01:09:14.979 --> 01:09:15.460
 is useful

01:09:15.460 --> 01:09:16.259
 right

01:09:16.259 --> 01:09:16.619
 where you

01:09:16.619 --> 01:09:17.379
 can see

01:09:17.380 --> 01:09:18.800
 common

01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:19.800
 objections

01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:20.380
 common

01:09:20.380 --> 01:09:20.940
 arguments

01:09:20.940 --> 01:09:21.640
 that are

01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:22.520
 really weak

01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:23.220
 right

01:09:23.220 --> 01:09:24.539
 now when it

01:09:24.539 --> 01:09:24.880
 comes to

01:09:24.880 --> 01:09:25.680
 specific

01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:26.960
 arguments

01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:27.520
 I'm not

01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:27.980
 necessarily

01:09:27.980 --> 01:09:28.539
 sure I

01:09:28.539 --> 01:09:29.140
 would call

01:09:29.140 --> 01:09:30.760
 a scientific

01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:31.600
 argument about

01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:32.440
 the

01:09:32.440 --> 01:09:33.940
 nature of a

01:09:33.940 --> 01:09:34.539
 giraffe's neck

01:09:34.539 --> 01:09:35.800
 as apologetics

01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:36.340
 necessarily

01:09:36.340 --> 01:09:37.000
 right

01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:37.420
 because

01:09:37.420 --> 01:09:38.900
 what apologetics

01:09:38.900 --> 01:09:39.560
 is is the

01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:40.180
 defense of the

01:09:40.180 --> 01:09:40.560
 faith

01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:41.920
 and if

01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:42.180
 you

01:09:42.180 --> 01:09:44.039
 marry

01:09:44.039 --> 01:09:45.780
 the

01:09:45.780 --> 01:09:46.620
 idea

01:09:46.620 --> 01:09:47.120
 that you

01:09:47.120 --> 01:09:47.380
 need to

01:09:47.380 --> 01:09:47.640
 be able

01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:48.280
 to explain

01:09:48.280 --> 01:09:49.520
 why evolution

01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:50.240
 is impossible

01:09:50.240 --> 01:09:51.200
 for your

01:09:51.200 --> 01:09:51.760
 faith to be

01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:52.100
 real

01:09:52.100 --> 01:09:52.980
 is really

01:09:52.980 --> 01:09:53.300
 shaky

01:09:53.300 --> 01:09:53.720
 ground

01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:54.400
 right

01:09:54.400 --> 01:09:56.320
 that led

01:09:56.320 --> 01:09:56.640
 to a lot

01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:56.740
 of

01:09:56.740 --> 01:09:57.539
 deconstruction

01:09:57.539 --> 01:09:59.340
 among my

01:09:59.340 --> 01:09:59.800
 friends

01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:00.340
 and even

01:10:00.340 --> 01:10:01.260
 a period

01:10:01.260 --> 01:10:01.700
 of questioning

01:10:01.700 --> 01:10:02.300
 for myself

01:10:02.300 --> 01:10:02.720
 it's like

01:10:02.720 --> 01:10:03.620
 we make

01:10:03.620 --> 01:10:04.340
 all these

01:10:04.340 --> 01:10:05.280
 absolute

01:10:05.280 --> 01:10:06.400
 claims about

01:10:06.400 --> 01:10:06.880
 our faith

01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:07.420
 and worldview

01:10:07.420 --> 01:10:09.440
 that are all

01:10:09.440 --> 01:10:10.920
 dominoes

01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:11.300
 that hinge

01:10:11.300 --> 01:10:11.640
 on each

01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:11.880
 other

01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:12.480
 and so

01:10:12.480 --> 01:10:12.880
 you take

01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:13.279
 one out

01:10:13.279 --> 01:10:13.760
 and everything

01:10:13.760 --> 01:10:14.319
 falls to

01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:14.640
 pieces

01:10:14.640 --> 01:10:15.340
 yeah I

01:10:15.340 --> 01:10:15.760
 think the

01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:16.460
 benefit

01:10:16.460 --> 01:10:16.940
 what I

01:10:16.940 --> 01:10:17.340
 would say

01:10:17.340 --> 01:10:18.520
 if I

01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:18.800
 was

01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:19.500
 counseling

01:10:19.500 --> 01:10:19.859
 somebody

01:10:19.859 --> 01:10:20.180
 in this

01:10:20.180 --> 01:10:20.560
 position

01:10:20.560 --> 01:10:21.960
 which really

01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:22.220
 you don't

01:10:22.220 --> 01:10:22.420
 want me

01:10:22.420 --> 01:10:22.640
 as a

01:10:22.640 --> 01:10:22.899
 counselor

01:10:22.899 --> 01:10:23.659
 don't ask

01:10:23.659 --> 01:10:23.920
 me to be

01:10:23.920 --> 01:10:24.060
 your

01:10:24.060 --> 01:10:24.340
 counselor

01:10:24.340 --> 01:10:24.699
 but

01:10:24.699 --> 01:10:25.619
 if I

01:10:25.619 --> 01:10:26.039
 was in

01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:26.199
 this

01:10:26.199 --> 01:10:26.560
 position

01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:26.899
 I

01:10:26.899 --> 01:10:27.039
 would

01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:27.380
 say

01:10:27.380 --> 01:10:28.779
 listen

01:10:28.779 --> 01:10:29.159
 to a

01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:29.600
 diverse

01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:30.000
 view

01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:30.659
 of

01:10:30.659 --> 01:10:31.340
 apologetics

01:10:31.340 --> 01:10:32.140
 because

01:10:32.140 --> 01:10:32.420
 you're

01:10:32.420 --> 01:10:32.600
 going to

01:10:32.600 --> 01:10:33.159
 find

01:10:33.159 --> 01:10:34.760
 orthodox

01:10:34.760 --> 01:10:35.319
 Christians

01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:36.600
 in apologetics

01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:36.840
 who

01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:37.319
 disagree

01:10:37.319 --> 01:10:38.099
 with the

01:10:38.099 --> 01:10:38.579
 giraffe

01:10:38.579 --> 01:10:38.979
 argument

01:10:38.979 --> 01:10:39.479
 right

01:10:39.479 --> 01:10:40.859
 so I

01:10:40.859 --> 01:10:41.199
 would say

01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:41.539
 it's not

01:10:41.539 --> 01:10:41.840
 so much

01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:42.259
 a problem

01:10:42.259 --> 01:10:43.000
 with apologetics

01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:43.479
 as a

01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:43.799
 field

01:10:43.799 --> 01:10:44.119
 as it

01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:44.539
 is a

01:10:44.539 --> 01:10:44.979
 problem

01:10:44.979 --> 01:10:45.719
 with

01:10:45.719 --> 01:10:46.519
 creating

01:10:46.519 --> 01:10:47.179
 a bubble

01:10:47.179 --> 01:10:47.939
 for yourself

01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:49.239
 whether that

01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:50.759
 be a

01:10:50.759 --> 01:10:51.179
 young earth

01:10:51.179 --> 01:10:51.500
 bubble

01:10:51.500 --> 01:10:52.479
 or an

01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:52.920
 old earth

01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:53.259
 bubble

01:10:53.259 --> 01:10:54.259
 or any

01:10:54.259 --> 01:10:54.579
 other

01:10:54.579 --> 01:10:55.639
 bubble

01:10:55.639 --> 01:10:56.039
 because I

01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:56.439
 think you'll

01:10:56.439 --> 01:10:57.199
 find that

01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:57.539
 once you

01:10:57.539 --> 01:10:58.399
 puncture that

01:10:58.399 --> 01:10:59.119
 and you

01:10:59.119 --> 01:10:59.519
 go into

01:10:59.519 --> 01:10:59.960
 anybody

01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:00.579
 else's

01:11:00.579 --> 01:11:00.899
 bubble

01:11:00.899 --> 01:11:01.539
 you're

01:11:01.539 --> 01:11:01.699
 going to

01:11:01.699 --> 01:11:02.340
 find that

01:11:02.340 --> 01:11:03.179
 people are

01:11:03.179 --> 01:11:03.659
 a lot

01:11:03.659 --> 01:11:04.340
 more reasonable

01:11:04.340 --> 01:11:05.279
 than you

01:11:05.279 --> 01:11:05.739
 thought they

01:11:05.739 --> 01:11:06.059
 were

01:11:06.059 --> 01:11:06.739
 right

01:11:06.739 --> 01:11:07.119
 and you

01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:07.460
 can't

01:11:07.460 --> 01:11:08.039
 caricature

01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:08.260
 their

01:11:08.260 --> 01:11:08.619
 arguments

01:11:08.619 --> 01:11:09.000
 anymore

01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:09.960
 and especially

01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:10.679
 within the

01:11:10.679 --> 01:11:11.039
 Christian

01:11:11.039 --> 01:11:11.479
 community

01:11:11.479 --> 01:11:12.699
 where again

01:11:12.699 --> 01:11:13.159
 we want to

01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:13.819
 have helpful

01:11:13.819 --> 01:11:14.380
 discussions

01:11:14.380 --> 01:11:15.420
 without rancor

01:11:15.420 --> 01:11:16.760
 we want to

01:11:16.760 --> 01:11:17.380
 be able to

01:11:17.380 --> 01:11:18.260
 understand where

01:11:18.260 --> 01:11:18.699
 our fellow

01:11:18.699 --> 01:11:19.279
 Christians are

01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:20.000
 coming from

01:11:20.000 --> 01:11:20.559
 in their

01:11:20.559 --> 01:11:20.979
 world view

01:11:20.979 --> 01:11:21.300
 and so

01:11:21.300 --> 01:11:21.920
 having a

01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:22.420
 diverse view

01:11:22.420 --> 01:11:22.779
 so for

01:11:22.779 --> 01:11:23.039
 instance

01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:23.380
 you know

01:11:23.380 --> 01:11:24.500
 I was

01:11:24.500 --> 01:11:25.019
 exposed to

01:11:25.019 --> 01:11:25.460
 young earth

01:11:25.460 --> 01:11:26.319
 apologetics

01:11:26.319 --> 01:11:27.199
 old earth

01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:28.639
 theistic

01:11:28.639 --> 01:11:29.599
 less theistic

01:11:29.599 --> 01:11:30.139
 evolutionists

01:11:30.139 --> 01:11:31.099
 but a little

01:11:31.099 --> 01:11:31.639
 bit of that

01:11:31.639 --> 01:11:32.019
 I mean so I

01:11:32.019 --> 01:11:32.859
 had a variety

01:11:32.859 --> 01:11:33.179
 of views

01:11:33.179 --> 01:11:33.399
 where I

01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:33.539
 could

01:11:33.539 --> 01:11:34.380
 you sort

01:11:34.380 --> 01:11:34.699
 of get a

01:11:34.699 --> 01:11:35.159
 big picture

01:11:35.159 --> 01:11:35.699
 over time

01:11:35.699 --> 01:11:36.119
 seeing

01:11:36.119 --> 01:11:36.680
 okay here's

01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:37.220
 a strength

01:11:37.220 --> 01:11:37.960
 here's a

01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:38.239
 weakness

01:11:38.239 --> 01:11:40.439
 and how

01:11:40.439 --> 01:11:40.739
 can I

01:11:40.739 --> 01:11:41.260
 best

01:11:41.260 --> 01:11:43.300
 balance all

01:11:43.300 --> 01:11:43.579
 of these

01:11:43.579 --> 01:11:44.119
 different views

01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:44.539
 like where

01:11:44.539 --> 01:11:45.159
 would I

01:11:45.159 --> 01:11:46.560
 really feel

01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:47.140
 confident

01:11:47.140 --> 01:11:47.659
 arguing

01:11:47.659 --> 01:11:48.279
 so for

01:11:48.279 --> 01:11:48.600
 instance

01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:48.899
 you know

01:11:48.899 --> 01:11:50.239
 I would

01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:50.699
 feel very

01:11:50.699 --> 01:11:51.019
 confident

01:11:51.019 --> 01:11:51.500
 arguing for

01:11:51.500 --> 01:11:52.180
 the cosmological

01:11:52.180 --> 01:11:52.600
 argument

01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:53.640
 right

01:11:53.640 --> 01:11:55.100
 you know

01:11:55.100 --> 01:11:55.920
 the Kalam

01:11:55.920 --> 01:11:56.539
 cosmological

01:11:56.539 --> 01:11:56.920
 argument

01:11:56.920 --> 01:11:57.180
 I think

01:11:57.180 --> 01:11:57.439
 is very

01:11:57.439 --> 01:11:57.859
 strong

01:11:57.859 --> 01:11:58.579
 I know

01:11:58.579 --> 01:11:58.840
 that there

01:11:58.840 --> 01:11:59.019
 are

01:11:59.019 --> 01:11:59.420
 critiques

01:11:59.420 --> 01:11:59.779
 of it

01:11:59.779 --> 01:12:00.619
 but I

01:12:00.619 --> 01:12:00.980
 find the

01:12:00.980 --> 01:12:01.220
 critiques

01:12:01.220 --> 01:12:01.440
 to be

01:12:01.440 --> 01:12:01.819
 pretty

01:12:01.819 --> 01:12:02.199
 weak

01:12:02.199 --> 01:12:04.100
 and they

01:12:04.100 --> 01:12:04.600
 seem

01:12:04.600 --> 01:12:05.260
 very

01:12:05.260 --> 01:12:07.659
 ad hoc

01:12:07.659 --> 01:12:08.079
 is what I'm

01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:08.300
 saying

01:12:08.300 --> 01:12:09.260
 so there

01:12:09.260 --> 01:12:09.779
 are really

01:12:09.779 --> 01:12:10.180
 strong

01:12:10.180 --> 01:12:10.600
 arguments

01:12:10.600 --> 01:12:11.000
 that you

01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:11.480
 can make

01:12:11.480 --> 01:12:12.359
 and then

01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:12.579
 there are

01:12:12.579 --> 01:12:12.859
 arguments

01:12:12.859 --> 01:12:13.039
 that you

01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:13.220
 hold

01:12:13.220 --> 01:12:13.680
 tentatively

01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:14.640
 right

01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:15.199
 and then

01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:15.579
 you say

01:12:15.579 --> 01:12:16.060
 you know

01:12:16.060 --> 01:12:17.119
 so I guess

01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:17.940
 when it

01:12:17.940 --> 01:12:18.340
 comes down

01:12:18.340 --> 01:12:18.739
 to it

01:12:18.739 --> 01:12:20.039
 build your

01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:20.500
 foundation

01:12:20.500 --> 01:12:20.940
 with the

01:12:20.940 --> 01:12:21.260
 strong

01:12:21.260 --> 01:12:21.680
 stuff

01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:22.840
 don't build

01:12:22.840 --> 01:12:23.319
 your foundation

01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:23.659
 with the

01:12:23.659 --> 01:12:23.819
 weak

01:12:23.819 --> 01:12:24.100
 stuff

01:12:24.100 --> 01:12:24.560
 and then

01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:25.079
 what the

01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:25.680
 process of

01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:26.300
 growing and

01:12:26.300 --> 01:12:27.060
 learning wisdom

01:12:27.060 --> 01:12:28.319
 is being able

01:12:28.319 --> 01:12:28.800
 to differentiate

01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:29.539
 the strong

01:12:29.539 --> 01:12:29.920
 and weak

01:12:29.920 --> 01:12:31.000
 you know

01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:31.320
 yeah

01:12:31.320 --> 01:12:32.480
 Amos

01:12:32.480 --> 01:12:34.100
 last question

01:12:34.100 --> 01:12:35.920
 lay it on me

01:12:35.920 --> 01:12:37.100
 I wanted to

01:12:37.100 --> 01:12:38.400
 jump off of that

01:12:38.400 --> 01:12:40.840
 to mention

01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:41.279
 something

01:12:41.279 --> 01:12:42.360
 that I was

01:12:42.360 --> 01:12:42.840
 thinking during

01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:43.619
 an earlier slide

01:12:43.619 --> 01:12:43.940
 which was

01:12:43.940 --> 01:12:44.579
 Galileo

01:12:44.579 --> 01:12:45.920
 and the church

01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:46.659
 took a very

01:12:46.659 --> 01:12:47.600
 strong stance

01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:48.180
 against

01:12:48.180 --> 01:12:49.480
 the sun

01:12:49.480 --> 01:12:49.900
 being the

01:12:49.900 --> 01:12:50.320
 center of

01:12:50.320 --> 01:12:50.600
 the solar

01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:50.960
 system

01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:52.800
 and it

01:12:52.800 --> 01:12:53.320
 seemed to me

01:12:53.320 --> 01:12:53.680
 like

01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:55.000
 I'm no

01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:56.100
 historian

01:12:56.100 --> 01:12:56.760
 I don't know

01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:57.199
 any of this

01:12:57.199 --> 01:12:57.440
 stuff

01:12:57.440 --> 01:12:58.300
 but it

01:12:58.300 --> 01:12:58.500
 certainly

01:12:58.500 --> 01:12:58.840
 seemed to

01:12:58.840 --> 01:12:59.140
 me like

01:12:59.140 --> 01:12:59.699
 the scientific

01:12:59.699 --> 01:13:01.039
 field reacted

01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:01.800
 pretty strongly

01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:02.819
 to that

01:13:02.819 --> 01:13:03.260
 position

01:13:03.260 --> 01:13:03.800
 such that

01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:04.180
 once

01:13:04.180 --> 01:13:06.479
 the church

01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:06.720
 was

01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:08.119
 demonstrated

01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:08.939
 to be

01:13:08.939 --> 01:13:09.439
 wrong

01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:10.399
 about it

01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:11.359
 then at

01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:11.819
 that point

01:13:11.819 --> 01:13:12.239
 it kind

01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:12.560
 of opened

01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:12.920
 the flood

01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:13.239
 gate

01:13:13.239 --> 01:13:14.100
 to

01:13:14.100 --> 01:13:14.600
 well look

01:13:14.600 --> 01:13:14.960
 the church

01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:15.319
 can make

01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:15.800
 really strong

01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:16.319
 arguments

01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:17.520
 and off

01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:18.000
 of nothing

01:13:18.000 --> 01:13:20.180
 yeah

01:13:20.180 --> 01:13:20.899
 I think

01:13:20.899 --> 01:13:22.760
 that's kind

01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:22.939
 of like

01:13:22.939 --> 01:13:23.979
 your apologetics

01:13:23.979 --> 01:13:24.199
 thing

01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:24.579
 like be

01:13:24.579 --> 01:13:24.880
 careful

01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:25.520
 what arguments

01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:26.020
 you make

01:13:26.020 --> 01:13:26.680
 and say

01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:28.040
 and stand

01:13:28.040 --> 01:13:28.360
 on them

01:13:28.360 --> 01:13:28.720
 strongly

01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:30.320
 because

01:13:30.320 --> 01:13:32.100
 if you're

01:13:32.100 --> 01:13:32.940
 overstating

01:13:32.940 --> 01:13:34.820
 yourself

01:13:34.820 --> 01:13:35.680
 then

01:13:35.680 --> 01:13:37.020
 if you're

01:13:37.020 --> 01:13:37.440
 overstating

01:13:37.440 --> 01:13:37.760
 yourself

01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:38.080
 then that's

01:13:38.080 --> 01:13:38.280
 a big

01:13:38.280 --> 01:13:38.540
 problem

01:13:38.540 --> 01:13:38.860
 if you're

01:13:38.860 --> 01:13:39.120
 wrong

01:13:39.120 --> 01:13:40.020
 exactly

01:13:40.020 --> 01:13:40.460
 I think

01:13:40.460 --> 01:13:41.140
 it comes

01:13:41.140 --> 01:13:41.500
 down to

01:13:41.500 --> 01:13:41.640
 our

01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:42.040
 Christian

01:13:42.040 --> 01:13:42.500
 witness

01:13:42.500 --> 01:13:43.220
 right

01:13:43.220 --> 01:13:45.180
 but

01:13:45.180 --> 01:13:45.579
 I would

01:13:45.579 --> 01:13:45.860
 say

01:13:45.860 --> 01:13:48.720
 we all

01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:48.860
 have

01:13:48.860 --> 01:13:49.100
 blind

01:13:49.100 --> 01:13:49.400
 spots

01:13:49.400 --> 01:13:50.820
 and what

01:13:50.820 --> 01:13:51.180
 you think

01:13:51.180 --> 01:13:51.400
 is a

01:13:51.400 --> 01:13:51.600
 strong

01:13:51.600 --> 01:13:52.020
 argument

01:13:52.020 --> 01:13:52.940
 or a

01:13:52.940 --> 01:13:53.079
 weak

01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:53.460
 argument

01:13:53.460 --> 01:13:53.940
 is going

01:13:53.940 --> 01:13:54.140
 to be

01:13:54.140 --> 01:13:54.659
 different

01:13:54.659 --> 01:13:54.960
 from

01:13:54.960 --> 01:13:55.420
 another

01:13:55.420 --> 01:13:55.760
 person

01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:56.240
 who's

01:13:56.240 --> 01:13:56.440
 looking

01:13:56.440 --> 01:13:56.680
 at it

01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:56.760
 a

01:13:56.760 --> 01:13:56.940
 different

01:13:56.940 --> 01:13:57.280
 way

01:13:57.280 --> 01:13:57.920
 and I

01:13:57.920 --> 01:13:58.100
 think

01:13:58.100 --> 01:13:58.520
 what the

01:13:58.520 --> 01:13:58.900
 benefit

01:13:58.900 --> 01:13:59.539
 of

01:13:59.539 --> 01:14:00.400
 cordial

01:14:00.400 --> 01:14:00.920
 discussion

01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:01.480
 and

01:14:01.480 --> 01:14:02.860
 brotherly

01:14:02.860 --> 01:14:04.300
 pushback

01:14:04.300 --> 01:14:05.240
 on your

01:14:05.240 --> 01:14:05.780
 arguments

01:14:05.780 --> 01:14:07.180
 and just

01:14:07.180 --> 01:14:07.760
 general

01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:08.400
 intellectual

01:14:08.400 --> 01:14:08.900
 training

01:14:08.900 --> 01:14:10.659
 is so

01:14:10.659 --> 01:14:10.960
 that we

01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:11.260
 can

01:14:11.260 --> 01:14:12.220
 sharpen

01:14:12.220 --> 01:14:12.440
 each

01:14:12.440 --> 01:14:12.659
 other

01:14:12.659 --> 01:14:13.760
 iron

01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:14.199
 sharpens

01:14:14.199 --> 01:14:14.440
 iron

01:14:14.440 --> 01:14:15.380
 and knowing

01:14:15.380 --> 01:14:15.860
 that

01:14:15.860 --> 01:14:18.480
 every time

01:14:18.480 --> 01:14:18.820
 I hear a

01:14:18.820 --> 01:14:18.980
 good

01:14:18.980 --> 01:14:19.400
 criticism

01:14:19.400 --> 01:14:19.720
 of one

01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:19.860
 of the

01:14:19.860 --> 01:14:20.119
 arguments

01:14:20.119 --> 01:14:20.619
 I like

01:14:20.619 --> 01:14:21.640
 a little

01:14:21.640 --> 01:14:22.079
 part of

01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:22.380
 me is

01:14:22.380 --> 01:14:22.600
 like

01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:23.039
 oh no

01:14:23.039 --> 01:14:24.579
 but

01:14:24.579 --> 01:14:27.180
 growing up

01:14:27.180 --> 01:14:27.420
 you've got

01:14:27.420 --> 01:14:27.840
 to learn

01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:28.420
 how to

01:14:28.420 --> 01:14:28.720
 deal with

01:14:28.720 --> 01:14:28.860
 those

01:14:28.860 --> 01:14:29.060
 little

01:14:29.060 --> 01:14:29.680
 oh no's

01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:29.980
 and then

01:14:29.980 --> 01:14:30.240
 remind

01:14:30.240 --> 01:14:30.579
 yourself

01:14:30.579 --> 01:14:31.800
 what's

01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:32.360
 really the

01:14:32.360 --> 01:14:32.740
 foundation

01:14:32.740 --> 01:14:33.039
 of what

01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:33.539
 I believe

01:14:33.539 --> 01:14:34.360
 and can

01:14:34.360 --> 01:14:34.659
 I let

01:14:34.659 --> 01:14:35.260
 this go

01:14:35.260 --> 01:14:36.440
 is this

01:14:36.440 --> 01:14:36.800
 criticism

01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:37.260
 even really

01:14:37.260 --> 01:14:37.880
 very good

01:14:37.880 --> 01:14:38.420
 etc

01:14:38.420 --> 01:14:41.300
 so yeah

01:14:41.300 --> 01:14:41.860
 I think

01:14:41.859 --> 01:14:42.799
 one of the

01:14:42.799 --> 01:14:43.299
 last thing

01:14:43.299 --> 01:14:43.619
 I'll say

01:14:43.619 --> 01:14:44.219
 is one

01:14:44.219 --> 01:14:44.339
 of the

01:14:44.339 --> 01:14:44.559
 problems

01:14:44.559 --> 01:14:45.159
 with the

01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:46.139
 Galileo

01:14:46.139 --> 01:14:46.500
 incident

01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:46.899
 is

01:14:46.899 --> 01:14:48.460
 you know

01:14:48.460 --> 01:14:48.719
 you have

01:14:48.719 --> 01:14:50.159
 the Catholic

01:14:50.159 --> 01:14:50.439
 churches

01:14:50.439 --> 01:14:51.339
 and ecclesiology

01:14:51.339 --> 01:14:52.880
 believes in

01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:53.460
 the authority

01:14:53.460 --> 01:14:54.019
 of tradition

01:14:54.019 --> 01:14:54.859
 and that

01:14:54.859 --> 01:14:55.759
 creates a lot

01:14:55.759 --> 01:14:56.559
 of issues

01:14:56.559 --> 01:14:57.059
 when you have

01:14:57.059 --> 01:14:57.500
 a church

01:14:57.500 --> 01:14:58.079
 that's 2,000

01:14:58.079 --> 01:14:58.599
 years old

01:14:58.599 --> 01:14:59.019
 right

01:14:59.019 --> 01:14:59.979
 so

01:14:59.979 --> 01:15:01.519
 revisions

01:15:01.519 --> 01:15:02.460
 of ideas

01:15:02.460 --> 01:15:03.939
 are very

01:15:03.939 --> 01:15:04.339
 difficult

01:15:04.339 --> 01:15:04.699
 in that

01:15:04.699 --> 01:15:05.199
 situation

01:15:05.199 --> 01:15:06.019
 and it's

01:15:06.019 --> 01:15:06.699
 different in

01:15:06.699 --> 01:15:07.119
 the Protestant

01:15:07.119 --> 01:15:07.500
 world

01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:07.839
 right

01:15:07.839 --> 01:15:08.579
 where we

01:15:08.579 --> 01:15:09.139
 have

01:15:09.140 --> 01:15:09.860
 sola scriptura

01:15:09.860 --> 01:15:10.380
 so we're

01:15:10.380 --> 01:15:11.560
 pretty open

01:15:11.560 --> 01:15:11.860
 about

01:15:11.860 --> 01:15:12.840
 non-scriptural

01:15:12.840 --> 01:15:13.440
 things in

01:15:13.440 --> 01:15:13.700
 general

01:15:13.700 --> 01:15:14.200
 right

01:15:14.200 --> 01:15:16.539
 all right

01:15:16.539 --> 01:15:17.860
 well thank you

01:15:17.860 --> 01:15:18.200
 guys

01:15:18.200 --> 01:15:18.840
 thanks for

01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:19.200
 coming

01:15:19.200 --> 01:15:20.420
 next week

01:15:20.420 --> 01:15:22.000
 hermeneutics

01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:22.860
 everybody's

01:15:22.860 --> 01:15:23.480
 favorite topic

01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:24.019
 not

01:15:33.019 --> 01:15:33.479
 you

01:15:33.479 --> 01:15:33.839
 you

01:15:33.839 --> 01:15:34.039
 you

01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:36.019
 you

01:15:36.019 --> 01:15:40.139
 you

01:15:40.139 --> 01:15:44.399
 you

01:15:44.619 --> 01:15:45.639
 you

01:15:45.639 --> 01:15:48.559
 you