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 So, there are handouts. If you didn't get a handout, raise your hand and Ben's coming around with them.

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 So we are several weeks into our class on gender and sexuality, looking at God's purpose for making us in his image as male and female

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 and how we're to relate to one another and how to glorify Christ.

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 So, this morning we were looking at the theme of hospitality and holiness.

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 That's what I want to entitle this morning's lesson, or Christian witness to the LGBT community.

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 That is lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and you could add more letters to that as well.

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 So, just a couple of schedule notes. So the next two weeks, we are sort of taking a break from this class.

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 Next week, it says prayer. Jeff Stevens is actually going to teach next week.

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 And if he was here, he could tell you what he's teaching on.

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 But he's not here yet. So, he may teach on marriage or he may do something on prayer.

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 And I just asked him a couple days ago, so it's not his fault.

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 But he will be leading you next week.

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 And then there's a missionary who's been part of our church this fall who's staying at the Overseas Ministry Study Center

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 named Dr. Adam Shaba from Nigeria.

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 And he is a pastor from Nigeria.

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 And he is going to share some of what he has been...

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 He's going to share with us on the 24th.

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 So, I've got to talk with him.

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 He is... I'm trying to think. He's working on two projects, and I won't be able to remember what they are.

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 One of them is, I think, something like how Christians should respond when they're persecuted.

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 And then another... Because a lot of... He works with pastors and churches, some of whom have been violently attacked.

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 And so, how do Christians respond?

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 You know, how do... You know, do you run away?

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 Do you take up arms and fight?

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 Do you just sort of stand there?

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 You know, what does it look like, you know, when it's really intense?

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 You know, that's... And how do we face opposition more broadly?

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 So, he might speak on that or just other things that the Lord has been teaching him.

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 And then December, we'll come back to this class and continue.

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 We're going to do one week on pornography, one week on sexual abuse,

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 and then finally, we'll look at our heavenly hope, the hope of glory, right?

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 So, we're in the middle of this fallen world.

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 We're dealing with these challenging issues, but we want to keep our eyes on the promise that God has for us.

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 And so, that's where we're going to end.

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 So, so far in this class, we've looked at God's design for our bodies

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 and how we're beautiful, created by God, and broken because we're corrupted by sin.

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 How in Christ we're called into redemption and he has begun his work of redemption in us.

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 We looked at how marriage and singleness, when we live those out in a Christ-centered way,

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 can both point towards Christ's redemption.

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 And last two weeks, we looked at homosexuality and we looked at transgender identity

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 in light of the Christian story.

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 But today, so far, we've been sort of looking at everything in light of the Christian story.

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 Right? In light of the gospel, in light of the biblical narrative.

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 But today, I want to ask the question, how do we relate to people who haven't yet bought into the Christian story?

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 Right? How do we relate to people who are outside the church with wisdom and love?

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 And the Bible has a lot to say to us about that.

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 I think if we start by looking at the ministry of Jesus,

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 we can look at how did Jesus relate to people in the world who were not yet his disciples?

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 Now, there are several examples you could point to.

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 But three groups of people that Jesus relates to.

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 So one, in the beginning of Mark, tells a story about Jesus encountering a leper.

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 And a leper would have been outside, sort of an outsider,

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 someone who was literally forced to remain separate from the community

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 because they were worried that his disease would spread to others.

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 And so he would actually have to call out, unclean, unclean.

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 And so there's a lot of shame associated with being a leper.

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 And we see a story where Jesus touched the leper and then healed him.

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 We also see another group of people who we see Jesus relating to are tax collectors.

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 Now, tax collectors were notorious cheaters.

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 Right?

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 So pretty much you could assume that someone who was a tax collector was actively engaged in sin.

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 Deception, greed, etc.

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 How does Jesus relate to tax collectors?

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 Well, we see Jesus calling Levi and Matthew,

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 whether those two were the same person or two different people,

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 but calling them to be his disciples,

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 and they left behind their former way of life and followed him.

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 But we also see an interesting situation where Jesus calls Levi to be his disciple.

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 And then he goes to Levi's house,

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 and it says many tax collectors were there at Levi's house eating and drinking with Jesus.

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 And a lot of people looked at Jesus and said,

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 Jesus, why are you eating and drinking with those people?

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 Why are you going to the house of people who are obviously actively engaged in sinful and destructive behavior,

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 cheating our own community, bringing dishonor upon us?

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 You know, why would you be associating with them?

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 And Jesus says, it's not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.

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 I haven't come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

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 Another group of people who we see Jesus interacting with who are not yet his disciples would be,

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 so in John chapter 8, beginning of John chapter 8,

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 there's a story about Jesus encountering a woman caught in adultery.

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 Now, there's a little, you know, this story may or may not have been exactly where it currently is in the Gospel of John.

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 It's sort of one of two passages in the New Testament that might,

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 we're not totally sure if it was right where it is now.

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 But another story in Luke, similar story,

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 there's a prostitute who comes and anoints Jesus' feet,

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 or it says, a sinful woman of the city,

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 which you can sort of read between the lines.

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 Again, someone who was sort of would have been seen as notorious.

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 And she was attracted to Jesus.

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 And so, how does Jesus respond to,

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 well, in John, with the adulterous woman,

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 he says,

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 neither, he says,

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 let the one who's without sin throw the first stone.

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 Right?

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 Because some people, they bring her to him and they want to stone her.

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 And so, and then all the other people go away

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 and Jesus is left standing there.

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 And he says, neither do I condemn you.

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 Go now and sin no more.

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 So isn't that so interesting, right?

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 In all these episodes,

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 and we could look at others as well,

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 we see that Jesus is hospitable.

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 He's remarkably generous towards outsiders.

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 People even are attracted to him

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 who are not attracted to other religious leaders

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 who normally keep their distance

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 from the Pharisees and other,

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 and Sadducees and other sort of well-known religious leaders.

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 Jesus attracts them to himself.

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 He eats with them.

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 He meets them on their own turf,

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 even though it damaged his reputation to do so.

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 But Jesus also calls those who follow him

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 to a life of holiness.

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 That is to being set apart for God and his purposes.

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 Right?

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 So Jesus doesn't,

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 he calls those who follow him

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 to a life of uncompromising devotion,

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 even saying,

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 take up your cross and follow me.

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 Right?

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 So Jesus calls his disciples to forsake our sin

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 and to follow him.

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 And I think what you see in Jesus's ministry

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 is that his generous hospitality

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 both precedes and promotes holiness.

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 So what I mean there is,

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 Jesus doesn't wait until everyone's completely forsaken their sin

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 in order to be generous and kind and open-hearted to them,

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 but he's also not generous and kind and open-hearted

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 in a way that encourages them to remain

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 in the same sinful or self-destructive patterns.

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 So there's that balance there.

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 Right?

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 Jesus is generous and open-hearted to people.

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 He meets them right where they are,

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 but in his grace,

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 he doesn't let them just stay right where they are.

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 Isn't that true?

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 Isn't that how God meets us?

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 So I think this gives us a model

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 of how do we relate to people

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 who are not yet followers of Jesus?

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 Jesus.

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 And in fact, in the epistles,

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 we see the same commands to us.

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 Romans 12,

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 seek to show hospitality.

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 Be generous and open-hearted.

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 And that's true,

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 not even just for fellow Christians,

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 but the verses go on to talk about

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 don't repay anyone evil for evil.

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 If your enemy is hungry,

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 feed him.

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 If he's thirsty,

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 give him something to drink.

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 Right?

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 That's what hospitality involved in the ancient world

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 is inviting someone in your home

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 and giving them a meal.

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 And Jesus says,

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 even to someone who is opposing you,

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 right?

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 Extend that kind of generous welcome.

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 And another verse that I think goes along with this

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 is when Paul in 2 Corinthians says,

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 we regard no one according to the flesh.

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 Now, what does that mean?

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 Basically, what Paul is saying here is

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 we don't just see people

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 in sort of worldly categories.

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 We don't just see people

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 in the way that this world defines them

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 or even just in the way they might define themselves.

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 We see people in the way that God defines us

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 as people who are made in God's image,

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 every single human being.

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 And as every single human being

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 is broken and corrupted by sin.

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 Right?

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 And we're all in that same boat.

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 That's where it sort of starts.

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 So we see people,

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 we, and that's something we can pray.

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 Lord, help me to see other people

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 as you see them

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 or in light of how you see them.

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 But second, holiness, right?

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 The same chapter, Romans 12 says,

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 abhor what is evil,

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 stay away from what is evil

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 and hold fast to what is good.

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 So Christians should have clear

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 and distinct moral standards,

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 embracing what's true and right

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 and good and beautiful

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 and resisting what is deceptive

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 and distorted and dishonoring to God.

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 And I think standing for holiness

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 starts with seeking holiness ourselves.

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 Right?

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 So in other words,

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 sort of let's clean our own house first.

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 Right?

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 So I used this analogy

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 in a sermon about a year ago

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 where I talked about poison ivy

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 that had infiltrated our yard

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 and it was mostly coming

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 from our neighbor's yard.

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 But you know what?

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 If I just got really mad at the neighbor

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 and, you know,

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 because I needed to start

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 by cleaning it out of our yard.

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 Right?

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 So that I wouldn't get it again.

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 Because it was awful.

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 Right?

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 You know,

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 so we need to start seeking holiness

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 by taking up our own cross

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 and following Christ.

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 And that's the only way

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 that we can sort of be

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 a credible witness to others

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 to challenge others

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 to also do the same.

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 So practically,

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 what does this look like

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 in relation to the LGBT communities?

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 Now I'm using this phrase

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 LGBT community

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 not because everyone

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 who is gay or lesbian

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 or bisexual

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 or transgender

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 or queer

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 or intersex

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 or asexual

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 or however they might

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 define themselves

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 is part of one community

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 because that's not really true.

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 But just sort of

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 people who identify that way.

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 Right?

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 And there's many,

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 you know,

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 people,

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 so some terms.

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 I've listed some definitions

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 of terms

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 just to understand

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 how terms are commonly used.

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 Right?

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 And that's helpful.

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 Right?

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 Part of meeting somebody

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 where they are

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 is understanding

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 how they see themselves

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 or how they define themselves.

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 And at least

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 understanding it.

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 Even if you might say,

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 well,

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 I don't know whether

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 I would see that

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 as the whole picture.

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 But you know what?

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 You've got to at least start

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 by understanding people.

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 And I think here

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 it's good to ask questions.

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 I mean,

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 there are many terms out there.

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 I think it's fine

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 to ask questions like,

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 how do you identify yourself?

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 Can you tell me

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 what that means to you?

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 What has your experience

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 been like?

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 It's better to ask

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 an honest question

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 than to make

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 a wrong assumption

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 out of fear.

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 Some terms are phrases

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 that may provoke

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 negative reaction

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 from many people

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 who identify

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 as LGBT.

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 So one would be

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 calling someone

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 a homosexual.

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 People sort of

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 hear that word

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 and are like,

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 but that's not

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 how I define myself.

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 That sounds sort of

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 more like a clinical term.

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 Or referring to

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 a homosexual lifestyle.

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 People might be like,

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 well,

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 what are you envisioning

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 when you think of,

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 when you use that phrase?

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 Are you saying

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 that everyone lives

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 the same way

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 in all these respects?

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 If someone calls himself gay,

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 they might not like it

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 if you refer to

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 their experience

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 of having same-sex attractions.

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 So same-sex attractions

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 is a more common phrase

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 within the Christian community,

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 especially because

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 many Christians

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 use that phrase

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 to basically say,

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 this is what I'm experiencing,

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 but this isn't

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 at the deepest level

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 who I am.

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 But many people

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 who have embraced

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 a gay or lesbian identity,

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 if you use that phrase

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 same-sex attraction,

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 they'll be like,

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 but you're immediately

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 trying to tell me

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 that that's not who I am,

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 and you're trying

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 to tell me

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 that I need to get rid

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 of this part of me

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 that I think

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 is actually very fundamental

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 to who I am.

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 So it's sort of like,

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 could be seen as like

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 immediately provoking

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 a conflict

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 just by the phrase

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 that you use.

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 Right?

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 So,

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 so I think

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 sometimes it's wise

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 to sort of just

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 avoid phrases

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 that immediately,

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 that might immediately

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 cause offense

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 in the process

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 of building a relationship

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 with someone

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 and sort of

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 representing Christ.

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 Another thing

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 I think

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 can be helpful

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 is to recognize

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 that there are

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 some similarities

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 between

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 the evangelical

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 conservative

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 Christian community

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 and the LGBT community.

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 You might think,

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 really?

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 Well,

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 think,

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 think about

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 what is the experience

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 like,

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 right?

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 Both groups

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 feel like

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 marginalized minorities

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 in a hostile

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 or indifferent world.

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 Both groups

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 find solidarity

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 and strength

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 in being together.

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 Right?

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 Why do we come together

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 on Sundays?

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 Because we want

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 to find strength

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 in our Christian,

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 Christ-centered identity.

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 Both have a message

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 of freedom

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 and liberation.

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 Right?

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 This idea,

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 we used to be living

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 in the darkness,

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 in the closet,

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 in shame,

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 and now we're living

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 in the truth,

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 and we want to be

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 accepted and loved

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 for who we really are.

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 Right?

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 For Christians,

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 we found that truth

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 in the person of Christ.

00:15:03.780 --> 00:15:04.000
 Right?

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 That he loves us

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 and he has given us

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 our true identity.

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 And,

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 but in the LGBT community,

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 there's a sense that

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 having sort of found

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 our sexual identity

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 might be a part of,

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 might be a similar

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 experience.

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 Both also want to be

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 accepting and hospitable

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 and outreaching communities

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 in a sense.

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 Wanting to

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 bring more people

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 into our community

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 or to extend

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 our community

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 into the wider world.

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 The other similarity

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 is that each group

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 sees the other

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 as a potential

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 and,

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 or as a specific

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 or at least

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 a potential threat

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 to its well-being.

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 Right?

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 So,

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 most recently,

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 Beto O'Rourke

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 at one of the

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 Democratic debates

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 said that he thinks

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 that churches

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 that take a traditional

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 position on marriage

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 should have their

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 501c3 status revoked.

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 Now,

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 right?

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 How does that feel

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 as a Christian?

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 Right?

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 You know,

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 first of all,

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 you're like,

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 really?

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 Like,

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 boy,

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 that would like

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 decimate a lot

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 of charitable organizations.

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 I don't think you realize

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 what you're doing.

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 I don't think you realize

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 how many of the poor

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 and other people

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 that your party

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 stands for,

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 like,

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 are being helped

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 by these very organizations

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 actively.

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 You know?

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 So,

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 right?

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 But,

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 but even besides that,

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 right,

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 as a Christian,

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 you sort of feel like,

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 whoa,

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 like,

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 we feel like

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 we're being attacked here.

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 And,

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 people,

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 you know,

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 people in the LGBT community

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 feel like,

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 you know,

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 when there was a whole,

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 you know,

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 long debate about

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 same-sex marriage

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 and,

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 you know,

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 Proposition 8 in California

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 and,

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 you know,

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 it's those

00:16:40.700 --> 00:16:42.160
 evangelical Christian churches

00:16:42.160 --> 00:16:42.940
 who are standing

00:16:42.940 --> 00:16:44.100
 against our right

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 to,

00:16:44.800 --> 00:16:45.860
 and our freedom.

00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:47.200
 Right?

00:16:47.259 --> 00:16:47.420
 So,

00:16:47.500 --> 00:16:47.720
 there's,

00:16:47.800 --> 00:16:49.300
 there's this sense

00:16:49.300 --> 00:16:50.279
 and vocal members

00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:50.779
 of each group

00:16:50.779 --> 00:16:51.480
 advocate for

00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:52.759
 mutually opposing

00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:54.159
 public policy stances.

00:16:54.959 --> 00:16:55.199
 Right?

00:16:55.459 --> 00:16:55.659
 Now,

00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:56.100
 not everybody

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 has the same politics

00:16:57.100 --> 00:16:58.939
 in either group,

00:16:59.179 --> 00:16:59.459
 but,

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 still.

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 The other thing

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 I'll say is that

00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:02.980
 Christians

00:17:02.980 --> 00:17:04.259
 who experience

00:17:04.259 --> 00:17:05.119
 same-sex attraction

00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:06.420
 but who choose

00:17:06.420 --> 00:17:07.079
 not to pursue

00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:08.039
 a same-sex relationship

00:17:08.039 --> 00:17:09.220
 because they prioritize

00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:11.000
 their Christian identity

00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:12.059
 and their,

00:17:12.059 --> 00:17:13.599
 their biblical commitment

00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:15.019
 over their sexual desires

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 are sort of caught

00:17:15.819 --> 00:17:16.259
 in the middle.

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 So,

00:17:17.639 --> 00:17:18.059
 they're generally

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 not well understood

00:17:19.139 --> 00:17:19.700
 or accepted

00:17:19.700 --> 00:17:20.559
 within the wider

00:17:20.559 --> 00:17:22.000
 gay community,

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 but they're also

00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:24.380
 not always well understood

00:17:24.380 --> 00:17:25.299
 or supported

00:17:25.299 --> 00:17:26.000
 in the church.

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 And I think,

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 one of the things

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 I hope within this class

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 is that

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 we would be

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 equipped

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 and encouraged

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 to

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 stand with

00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:38.019
 our brothers and sisters

00:17:38.019 --> 00:17:38.480
 in Christ

00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:39.299
 or walking this

00:17:39.299 --> 00:17:39.840
 challenging

00:17:39.840 --> 00:17:40.920
 and hard road.

00:17:42.580 --> 00:17:43.460
 But how can

00:17:43.460 --> 00:17:44.340
 Christians faithfully

00:17:44.340 --> 00:17:45.400
 bear witness to Christ

00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:46.500
 when relationships

00:17:46.500 --> 00:17:47.539
 can easily become

00:17:47.539 --> 00:17:48.480
 distant,

00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:49.099
 polarized,

00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:49.899
 and tense,

00:17:51.079 --> 00:17:51.359
 right?

00:17:51.460 --> 00:17:52.579
 When each group

00:17:52.579 --> 00:17:53.659
 sort of sees each other

00:17:53.659 --> 00:17:54.639
 as a potential threat.

00:17:55.659 --> 00:17:56.619
 What should be

00:17:56.619 --> 00:17:57.519
 the distinctive witness

00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:58.440
 of Christians?

00:17:58.680 --> 00:17:58.879
 Well,

00:17:59.299 --> 00:18:00.720
 I don't think

00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:01.180
 that Christians

00:18:01.180 --> 00:18:01.879
 should abandon

00:18:01.879 --> 00:18:02.619
 our traditional

00:18:02.619 --> 00:18:03.119
 understanding

00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:04.039
 of biblical marriage.

00:18:04.839 --> 00:18:05.480
 You know,

00:18:05.500 --> 00:18:06.139
 we've talked about

00:18:06.139 --> 00:18:07.000
 that in past weeks.

00:18:08.299 --> 00:18:08.420
 And,

00:18:08.619 --> 00:18:10.220
 but I do think

00:18:10.220 --> 00:18:11.379
 that if we're

00:18:11.379 --> 00:18:12.500
 finding our identity

00:18:12.500 --> 00:18:13.220
 and our security

00:18:13.220 --> 00:18:13.940
 in Christ

00:18:13.940 --> 00:18:15.500
 and not from ourselves,

00:18:15.539 --> 00:18:16.200
 because that's really

00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:16.700
 the difference,

00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:16.900
 right?

00:18:16.940 --> 00:18:17.480
 Where do Christians

00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:18.660
 find our deepest identity

00:18:18.660 --> 00:18:20.400
 outside of ourselves

00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:21.720
 in Jesus Christ?

00:18:23.080 --> 00:18:23.880
 Where does,

00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:24.500
 you know,

00:18:24.559 --> 00:18:25.380
 if someone

00:18:25.380 --> 00:18:26.100
 who is

00:18:26.100 --> 00:18:27.819
 identifying as LGBT

00:18:27.819 --> 00:18:28.640
 and sort of

00:18:28.640 --> 00:18:30.299
 claiming that

00:18:30.299 --> 00:18:31.819
 as the,

00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:32.259
 sort of,

00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:32.779
 one of the deepest

00:18:32.779 --> 00:18:33.840
 parts of who they are,

00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:35.039
 well,

00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:36.120
 it's in their own

00:18:36.120 --> 00:18:36.980
 sexual desires

00:18:36.980 --> 00:18:37.799
 and experience,

00:18:38.360 --> 00:18:38.600
 right?

00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:39.259
 So,

00:18:39.620 --> 00:18:40.500
 that's sort of

00:18:40.500 --> 00:18:41.120
 the main difference

00:18:41.120 --> 00:18:42.240
 is where is the source

00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:42.840
 of your identity

00:18:42.840 --> 00:18:43.420
 coming from?

00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:44.340
 And I think as Christians,

00:18:44.460 --> 00:18:45.120
 because the source

00:18:45.120 --> 00:18:45.720
 of our identity

00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:46.339
 is coming from

00:18:46.339 --> 00:18:47.160
 outside us,

00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:49.079
 I think that we

00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:50.920
 have some resources

00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:52.360
 to engage

00:18:52.360 --> 00:18:53.720
 in these kind of

00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:54.740
 challenging relationships.

00:18:54.900 --> 00:18:55.500
 So first,

00:18:55.980 --> 00:18:57.220
 as forgiven sinners,

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 I think we can be

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 less defensive.

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 We can be more able

00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:01.600
 to admit

00:19:01.600 --> 00:19:03.160
 our own flaws

00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:04.160
 and our own weaknesses

00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:05.220
 and our own sins.

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 And we're not,

00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:07.079
 right,

00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:07.880
 as Christians,

00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:08.819
 we are not out

00:19:08.819 --> 00:19:09.680
 to prove that we are

00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:10.380
 better than everybody

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 else in the world.

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 And if we are,

00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:14.660
 then we've forgotten

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 the gospel,

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 which says,

00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:18.019
 Christ died for our sins,

00:19:18.620 --> 00:19:19.160
 right?

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 And by the grace of God,

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 we are what we are.

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 Second,

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 as recipients of God's

00:19:27.080 --> 00:19:27.740
 common grace,

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 now,

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 common grace is just a word

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 that means the blessings

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 that God extends

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 to all people,

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 regardless of whether

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 they believe in Him.

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 So,

00:19:36.120 --> 00:19:37.080
 life and being made

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 in God's image

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 and,

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 you know,

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 the sun and the rain

00:19:40.099 --> 00:19:40.699
 and everything,

00:19:41.539 --> 00:19:42.839
 we can affirm

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 all that is good

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 and a reflection

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 of God's image

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 in LGBT people.

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 So,

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 for example,

00:19:48.779 --> 00:19:49.500
 there may be many

00:19:49.500 --> 00:19:50.339
 admirable aspects

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 of a gay couple's

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 friendship,

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 even though Christians

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 cannot celebrate

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 the sexual aspects

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 of that relationship.

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 Or,

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 a lesbian couple

00:20:00.719 --> 00:20:01.699
 may be admirable,

00:20:02.019 --> 00:20:02.740
 excellent parents

00:20:02.740 --> 00:20:03.759
 in many respects,

00:20:04.659 --> 00:20:05.759
 even though Christians

00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:06.659
 may be concerned

00:20:06.660 --> 00:20:07.980
 that they've deliberately

00:20:07.980 --> 00:20:09.320
 structured their family

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 and chosen to exclude

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 a male parental figure

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 in how they've

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 structured their family.

00:20:16.860 --> 00:20:17.040
 Right?

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 So,

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 I think Christians

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 have an internal,

00:20:22.120 --> 00:20:22.700
 third thing,

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 Christians have an

00:20:23.360 --> 00:20:24.860
 internal motivation

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 through our union

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 with Christ

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 to love people

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 who are different

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 than us,

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 people who disagree

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 with us,

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 or even people

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 who attack us.

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 And that's not

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 something

00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:36.519
 that is inherent

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 in the LGBT community

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 or the world at large.

00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:41.200
 Right?

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 Just because you identify

00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:43.059
 as gay or lesbian

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 does not actually

00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:44.859
 give you any resources

00:20:44.859 --> 00:20:46.279
 to love somebody

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 who disagrees with you

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 or who understands

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 your identity differently.

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 But,

00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:52.319
 identifying as a Christian

00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:53.000
 should.

00:20:54.160 --> 00:20:54.440
 Right?

00:20:54.500 --> 00:20:56.039
 It should enable us

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 to love people

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 better,

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 even people who

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 deeply disagree with us

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 or even might attack us.

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 I'm not going to get into

00:21:06.500 --> 00:21:08.059
 what kinds of public

00:21:08.059 --> 00:21:08.900
 policies Christians

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 should advocate for.

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 I will recommend

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 a book called,

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 by John Inaz,

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 who called

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 Confident Pluralism,

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 which sort of talks

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 about how Christians

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 can engage widely.

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 It's written not just

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 to Christians,

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 but he's a Christian

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 law professor.

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 And there's a copy

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 on the bookstall.

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 But it's a very thoughtful book.

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 It gets into some details

00:21:26.640 --> 00:21:27.440
 of legal cases

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 and things like that.

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 And he's sort of trying

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 to say,

00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:30.140
 how do we live together

00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:30.859
 in a society

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 where people have

00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:32.559
 very different views

00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:33.099
 and opinions?

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 Is there a way

00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:34.920
 that we can pursue

00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:35.980
 the common good together?

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 So I think that's

00:21:39.340 --> 00:21:40.180
 a thoughtful book

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 and a good resource

00:21:40.900 --> 00:21:42.740
 in that direction.

00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:45.140
 But next steps

00:21:45.140 --> 00:21:45.800
 for the church

00:21:45.800 --> 00:21:47.080
 in reaching out

00:21:47.080 --> 00:21:49.340
 to people

00:21:49.340 --> 00:21:50.420
 who identify

00:21:50.420 --> 00:21:51.180
 as LGBT.

00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:53.039
 Extend hospitality.

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 Take initiative

00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:54.740
 to befriend

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 and listen to

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 and learn

00:21:55.800 --> 00:21:57.019
 from people.

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 Repent of double standards.

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 Believe that all

00:22:00.259 --> 00:22:00.860
 sexual sin

00:22:00.860 --> 00:22:01.560
 is destructive.

00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:02.980
 Let's clean

00:22:02.980 --> 00:22:04.180
 our own houses first.

00:22:04.819 --> 00:22:05.180
 Third,

00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:06.079
 acceptance is not

00:22:06.079 --> 00:22:07.140
 the same as affirmation

00:22:07.140 --> 00:22:07.759
 or approval.

00:22:07.860 --> 00:22:08.599
 Now just think about

00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:09.640
 how you express this

00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:10.799
 in other relationships.

00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:11.740
 Right?

00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:12.759
 There's many other

00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:13.799
 relationships that

00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:15.440
 we all find ourselves in

00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:17.480
 where there's some

00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:19.160
 aspect of how

00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:19.920
 people are living

00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:21.400
 or their habits

00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:22.420
 or the way

00:22:22.420 --> 00:22:23.120
 they conduct themselves

00:22:23.120 --> 00:22:23.819
 at work

00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:25.140
 that you're like,

00:22:25.279 --> 00:22:27.500
 I really don't approve.

00:22:27.579 --> 00:22:28.579
 I can't go along

00:22:28.579 --> 00:22:29.000
 with that.

00:22:29.099 --> 00:22:30.039
 I really have concerns

00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:30.559
 about that.

00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:31.220
 I think that's

00:22:31.220 --> 00:22:32.579
 certainly wouldn't

00:22:32.579 --> 00:22:33.139
 be acceptable

00:22:33.139 --> 00:22:34.059
 for me as a Christian

00:22:34.059 --> 00:22:34.980
 to engage in.

00:22:35.960 --> 00:22:36.980
 But you have to relate

00:22:36.980 --> 00:22:37.639
 to that person

00:22:37.639 --> 00:22:38.879
 and respect them.

00:22:39.339 --> 00:22:39.460
 Right?

00:22:39.500 --> 00:22:40.200
 So just think about

00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:40.799
 how you do that

00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:41.740
 in other relationships.

00:22:41.859 --> 00:22:42.379
 Sometimes I think

00:22:42.379 --> 00:22:43.679
 this feels very tense.

00:22:44.259 --> 00:22:44.440
 Right?

00:22:44.500 --> 00:22:45.099
 How do we

00:22:45.099 --> 00:22:46.779
 like accept somebody

00:22:46.779 --> 00:22:47.940
 but without affirming them?

00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:48.379
 Well,

00:22:49.539 --> 00:22:50.059
 I mean,

00:22:50.099 --> 00:22:51.179
 do you have any friends

00:22:51.179 --> 00:22:52.839
 who are heterosexuals

00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:53.500
 who are cohabiting

00:22:53.500 --> 00:22:54.200
 and they're not married

00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:55.359
 and they're not Christian?

00:22:55.679 --> 00:22:55.839
 Well,

00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:56.599
 how do you relate to them?

00:22:57.279 --> 00:22:57.539
 Right?

00:22:57.539 --> 00:22:59.039
 I mean,

00:22:59.079 --> 00:22:59.960
 that's a close analogy.

00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:00.359
 Right?

00:23:00.420 --> 00:23:00.839
 There's plenty

00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:02.759
 of other analogies.

00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:05.319
 Four,

00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:06.099
 I'd say invest

00:23:06.099 --> 00:23:06.899
 for the long haul

00:23:06.899 --> 00:23:08.599
 not just for the short term.

00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:11.659
 More specific questions.

00:23:11.819 --> 00:23:13.259
 Let me jump

00:23:13.259 --> 00:23:14.240
 into more specific questions,

00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:15.039
 try to run through these

00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:15.579
 a little quickly

00:23:15.579 --> 00:23:16.799
 and then open it up.

00:23:16.940 --> 00:23:17.839
 I want to make sure

00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:18.659
 to leave some time

00:23:18.659 --> 00:23:20.659
 for questions

00:23:20.659 --> 00:23:21.099
 that you have.

00:23:21.460 --> 00:23:22.180
 How should I respond

00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:22.960
 if somebody comes out

00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:23.680
 to me as gay

00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:24.339
 or lesbian

00:23:24.339 --> 00:23:24.859
 or et cetera?

00:23:25.819 --> 00:23:26.179
 First,

00:23:26.379 --> 00:23:26.939
 thank them

00:23:26.939 --> 00:23:27.759
 for trusting you

00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:28.599
 enough to share

00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:29.240
 that with you

00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:30.039
 because if they know

00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:30.500
 you're a Christian,

00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:31.439
 they probably have

00:23:31.439 --> 00:23:31.939
 some fear

00:23:31.939 --> 00:23:33.639
 that you would reject them

00:23:33.639 --> 00:23:34.779
 or have an immediate

00:23:34.779 --> 00:23:37.399
 sort of negative response

00:23:37.399 --> 00:23:39.399
 like,

00:23:39.579 --> 00:23:40.159
 I don't want to deal

00:23:40.159 --> 00:23:40.719
 with you anymore

00:23:40.719 --> 00:23:41.919
 or something like,

00:23:42.019 --> 00:23:42.939
 or distancing yourself.

00:23:43.399 --> 00:23:43.500
 So,

00:23:43.619 --> 00:23:44.000
 thank them

00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:44.819
 for trusting you enough.

00:23:45.219 --> 00:23:45.839
 Reassure them

00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:46.500
 that you're committed

00:23:46.500 --> 00:23:47.719
 to your friendship

00:23:47.719 --> 00:23:48.779
 or whatever your relationship

00:23:48.779 --> 00:23:49.559
 is with them,

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.759
 you know,

00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:54.359
 that you won't reject them

00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:54.839
 as a person.

00:23:56.399 --> 00:23:57.279
 My brother came out

00:23:57.279 --> 00:23:58.519
 to me several years ago

00:23:58.519 --> 00:23:59.479
 and I said,

00:23:59.539 --> 00:24:00.279
 I just want you to know,

00:24:00.659 --> 00:24:00.959
 like,

00:24:01.399 --> 00:24:01.919
 you're always going

00:24:01.919 --> 00:24:02.399
 to be my brother

00:24:02.399 --> 00:24:02.679
 and I,

00:24:02.859 --> 00:24:03.240
 you know,

00:24:03.299 --> 00:24:03.939
 I love you

00:24:03.939 --> 00:24:05.179
 and I want you

00:24:05.179 --> 00:24:05.519
 to know that.

00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:07.039
 And that was part

00:24:07.039 --> 00:24:07.719
 of our conversation.

00:24:08.919 --> 00:24:09.219
 Third,

00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:09.819
 listen to them.

00:24:10.819 --> 00:24:11.959
 Ask honest questions,

00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:12.299
 right?

00:24:12.339 --> 00:24:12.939
 Tell me more about

00:24:12.939 --> 00:24:13.519
 what it's been like

00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:13.859
 for you.

00:24:13.959 --> 00:24:14.579
 Who have you told?

00:24:14.679 --> 00:24:15.559
 How have people responded?

00:24:15.679 --> 00:24:16.479
 Are you in a relationship?

00:24:16.699 --> 00:24:16.839
 Right?

00:24:16.879 --> 00:24:18.359
 These are helpful questions.

00:24:19.659 --> 00:24:19.979
 Third,

00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:20.859
 pray for them.

00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:21.399
 Or fourth,

00:24:21.519 --> 00:24:21.979
 pray for them.

00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:22.619
 Pray that God

00:24:22.619 --> 00:24:23.519
 would reveal his goodness

00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:24.039
 to them.

00:24:24.259 --> 00:24:24.900
 Pray that your faith,

00:24:25.059 --> 00:24:25.740
 friendship would be

00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:26.720
 a faithful expression

00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:27.559
 of that goodness.

00:24:28.859 --> 00:24:29.259
 Now,

00:24:29.299 --> 00:24:29.779
 another question

00:24:29.779 --> 00:24:30.339
 that comes up

00:24:30.339 --> 00:24:30.579
 is,

00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:31.779
 should I tell my friend,

00:24:31.920 --> 00:24:32.579
 my gay friend,

00:24:32.639 --> 00:24:33.059
 for example,

00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:33.879
 or my gay brother,

00:24:34.339 --> 00:24:35.160
 that I don't support

00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:35.799
 gay marriage?

00:24:38.660 --> 00:24:39.059
 So,

00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:39.920
 I did not initiate

00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:40.660
 that conversation

00:24:40.660 --> 00:24:41.619
 when my brother

00:24:41.619 --> 00:24:42.359
 came out to me,

00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:43.559
 but he asked me

00:24:43.559 --> 00:24:44.859
 very directly,

00:24:45.460 --> 00:24:46.420
 so that gave us

00:24:46.420 --> 00:24:46.980
 a good opportunity

00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:47.400
 to talk.

00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:49.680
 So,

00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:50.279
 the short answer

00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:51.059
 is it depends.

00:24:51.059 --> 00:24:52.139
 Okay?

00:24:52.679 --> 00:24:53.039
 So,

00:24:53.700 --> 00:24:54.720
 consider at least

00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:55.819
 the following factors,

00:24:55.919 --> 00:24:56.079
 right?

00:24:56.099 --> 00:24:56.579
 Does your friend

00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:57.899
 claim to follow Christ

00:24:57.899 --> 00:25:00.019
 and accept

00:25:00.019 --> 00:25:00.539
 the authority

00:25:00.539 --> 00:25:01.019
 of the Bible?

00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:02.159
 Okay?

00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:03.359
 Have you had

00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:03.879
 conversations

00:25:03.879 --> 00:25:05.319
 about the gospel,

00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:06.159
 like the big picture

00:25:06.159 --> 00:25:06.599
 of the Bible,

00:25:06.679 --> 00:25:07.220
 anything else

00:25:07.220 --> 00:25:07.759
 about God?

00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:09.599
 Do you have

00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:09.919
 a friendship

00:25:09.919 --> 00:25:10.539
 that generally

00:25:10.539 --> 00:25:11.599
 allows for disagreement

00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:12.799
 and mutual challenge

00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:13.720
 on a personal level?

00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:15.919
 Or not?

00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:16.399
 And,

00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:16.960
 is your friend

00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:17.859
 asking for your opinion

00:25:17.859 --> 00:25:19.019
 on this particular question?

00:25:19.019 --> 00:25:19.200
 So,

00:25:19.259 --> 00:25:19.539
 if the answer

00:25:19.539 --> 00:25:20.139
 to all those questions

00:25:20.139 --> 00:25:20.680
 is yes,

00:25:20.940 --> 00:25:21.420
 then yes.

00:25:21.480 --> 00:25:22.920
 You need to be clear

00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:23.759
 about where you stand.

00:25:23.819 --> 00:25:24.119
 If the answer

00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:24.779
 to all those questions

00:25:24.779 --> 00:25:25.299
 is no,

00:25:25.639 --> 00:25:26.680
 probably no,

00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:27.180
 you don't need

00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:27.579
 to initiate

00:25:27.579 --> 00:25:28.359
 that conversation.

00:25:28.779 --> 00:25:29.319
 If the answer

00:25:29.319 --> 00:25:30.039
 is somewhat yes

00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:30.740
 and somewhat no,

00:25:31.099 --> 00:25:31.759
 then that's,

00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:32.000
 right,

00:25:32.059 --> 00:25:32.619
 the discerning

00:25:32.619 --> 00:25:33.700
 place in the middle.

00:25:37.220 --> 00:25:37.539
 So,

00:25:38.859 --> 00:25:39.160
 now,

00:25:39.299 --> 00:25:39.460
 what if,

00:25:39.460 --> 00:25:39.619
 right,

00:25:39.660 --> 00:25:40.160
 what if somebody

00:25:40.160 --> 00:25:40.960
 asked you directly,

00:25:41.639 --> 00:25:41.920
 right?

00:25:42.019 --> 00:25:42.319
 Say,

00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:43.519
 random person

00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:44.160
 on the street,

00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:46.139
 or a person

00:25:46.139 --> 00:25:46.579
 that you,

00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:47.039
 you know,

00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:48.099
 whatever,

00:25:48.099 --> 00:25:49.159
 crazy situation,

00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:49.419
 right?

00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:50.000
 You're like,

00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:50.179
 oh,

00:25:50.179 --> 00:25:50.480
 I don't want

00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:51.439
 to be in this conversation.

00:25:51.579 --> 00:25:52.219
 Where is this going?

00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:52.859
 Why are they asking

00:25:52.859 --> 00:25:53.419
 me this question?

00:25:53.500 --> 00:25:53.879
 Do you think

00:25:53.879 --> 00:25:55.059
 homosexuality is a sin?

00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:56.839
 So,

00:25:56.919 --> 00:25:57.879
 sometimes a simple

00:25:57.879 --> 00:25:58.519
 direct answer

00:25:58.519 --> 00:25:59.159
 is best.

00:26:00.539 --> 00:26:00.899
 Yes,

00:26:01.159 --> 00:26:01.980
 I think God

00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:02.559
 intended sex

00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:03.219
 to be for marriage

00:26:03.219 --> 00:26:03.759
 between a man

00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:04.059
 and woman.

00:26:04.179 --> 00:26:04.699
 I think anything

00:26:04.699 --> 00:26:05.379
 outside of that

00:26:05.379 --> 00:26:06.199
 is not God's will

00:26:06.199 --> 00:26:06.699
 for those who

00:26:06.699 --> 00:26:07.279
 follow God.

00:26:09.199 --> 00:26:09.559
 So,

00:26:09.879 --> 00:26:10.419
 actually,

00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:12.159
 so I have a lot

00:26:12.159 --> 00:26:12.519
 of books.

00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:14.939
 Where is this one?

00:26:15.139 --> 00:26:15.359
 Okay.

00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:16.119
 So,

00:26:16.259 --> 00:26:16.740
 Beckett Cook

00:26:16.740 --> 00:26:17.819
 was an actor

00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:18.359
 in Hollywood

00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:21.259
 and he

00:26:21.259 --> 00:26:23.839
 was sitting

00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:24.439
 at a coffee shop

00:26:24.439 --> 00:26:24.839
 in LA

00:26:24.839 --> 00:26:27.359
 and he was like,

00:26:27.459 --> 00:26:27.599
 you know,

00:26:27.639 --> 00:26:27.919
 I'd never,

00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.259
 like,

00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:29.479
 I'd never really

00:26:29.479 --> 00:26:30.119
 interacted with

00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:30.959
 Christians in the

00:26:30.959 --> 00:26:31.639
 worlds that I lived

00:26:31.639 --> 00:26:31.839
 in.

00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:32.459
 You know,

00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:32.939
 pretty much,

00:26:33.179 --> 00:26:34.139
 we never talked

00:26:34.139 --> 00:26:34.679
 about God.

00:26:35.099 --> 00:26:35.779
 Most of us agree

00:26:35.779 --> 00:26:36.439
 that God probably

00:26:36.439 --> 00:26:37.019
 didn't exist.

00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:38.259
 And then I was

00:26:38.259 --> 00:26:38.699
 sitting at this

00:26:38.699 --> 00:26:39.500
 coffee shop and

00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:39.839
 there were these

00:26:39.839 --> 00:26:40.240
 guys,

00:26:40.339 --> 00:26:40.859
 like,

00:26:40.979 --> 00:26:41.619
 reading the Bible

00:26:41.619 --> 00:26:42.519
 together and,

00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:42.699
 like,

00:26:42.759 --> 00:26:43.539
 discussing the Bible

00:26:43.539 --> 00:26:44.559
 at a table near us.

00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:45.039
 And I was like,

00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:46.000
 this is really weird.

00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:46.879
 Why are they here?

00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:47.980
 You know,

00:26:48.019 --> 00:26:48.960
 this is like a hip

00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:50.119
 coffee shop in LA.

00:26:50.619 --> 00:26:50.940
 Like,

00:26:51.419 --> 00:26:51.740
 you know,

00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:52.359
 I thought they were

00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:53.000
 only in Arkansas.

00:26:53.679 --> 00:26:53.919
 You know?

00:26:54.399 --> 00:26:55.599
 And so,

00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:56.819
 he's curious

00:26:56.819 --> 00:26:57.759
 and so he's talking

00:26:57.759 --> 00:26:58.259
 to his friend

00:26:58.259 --> 00:26:58.599
 and he's like,

00:26:58.659 --> 00:26:59.059
 should we ask,

00:26:59.240 --> 00:26:59.399
 like,

00:26:59.799 --> 00:27:00.460
 so he goes over

00:27:00.460 --> 00:27:00.879
 and he's like,

00:27:01.059 --> 00:27:02.480
 who are you guys?

00:27:02.579 --> 00:27:02.759
 Like,

00:27:02.839 --> 00:27:03.379
 what are you guys

00:27:03.379 --> 00:27:03.700
 up to?

00:27:03.940 --> 00:27:04.099
 Oh,

00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:04.639
 we're Christians.

00:27:04.819 --> 00:27:05.399
 We're reading the Bible

00:27:05.399 --> 00:27:05.779
 together.

00:27:06.419 --> 00:27:06.679
 You know,

00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:07.639
 we're from this church.

00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:08.500
 You know,

00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:09.079
 he asks him some more

00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:09.879
 questions and he's like,

00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:10.079
 well,

00:27:10.159 --> 00:27:10.359
 so,

00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:11.039
 you know,

00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:12.419
 what about homosexuality?

00:27:12.539 --> 00:27:12.700
 Like,

00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:13.180
 where do you guys

00:27:13.180 --> 00:27:13.779
 stand on that?

00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:15.840
 And he's like,

00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:16.860
 the guy was very honest.

00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:17.880
 He said,

00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:18.640
 you know,

00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:19.580
 he and his church

00:27:19.580 --> 00:27:20.920
 did not think

00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:21.759
 that,

00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:22.400
 that,

00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:24.880
 that gay sex was,

00:27:25.539 --> 00:27:25.900
 you know,

00:27:25.940 --> 00:27:26.080
 they,

00:27:26.160 --> 00:27:27.000
 they believe that gay sex

00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:27.960
 was not pleasing to God.

00:27:29.420 --> 00:27:30.460
 And that guy happened

00:27:30.460 --> 00:27:33.259
 to sort of have,

00:27:34.080 --> 00:27:35.039
 that guy also said,

00:27:35.220 --> 00:27:35.400
 you know,

00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:36.740
 I also have same-sex

00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:37.519
 attractions myself,

00:27:37.620 --> 00:27:38.100
 but I've chosen

00:27:38.100 --> 00:27:39.600
 to not pursue those

00:27:39.600 --> 00:27:40.420
 because I'm committed

00:27:40.420 --> 00:27:41.180
 to following Christ.

00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:42.620
 And the guy was like,

00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:43.340
 well,

00:27:43.360 --> 00:27:43.960
 that's sort of weird.

00:27:44.080 --> 00:27:44.319
 Like,

00:27:44.340 --> 00:27:45.100
 why would you do that?

00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:47.140
 But then,

00:27:47.360 --> 00:27:47.740
 you know,

00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:48.819
 the guy like gave him

00:27:48.819 --> 00:27:49.000
 his,

00:27:49.080 --> 00:27:50.000
 gave him his card

00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:50.400
 and was like,

00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:50.539
 hey,

00:27:50.559 --> 00:27:51.019
 if you want to come

00:27:51.019 --> 00:27:51.600
 to church with me,

00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:52.200
 you're welcome.

00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:53.420
 And so,

00:27:53.740 --> 00:27:54.759
 like a week and a half later,

00:27:54.900 --> 00:27:55.660
 he goes to church

00:27:55.660 --> 00:27:57.440
 and he's sitting there

00:27:57.440 --> 00:27:57.840
 and he's listening

00:27:57.840 --> 00:27:58.319
 to the sermon

00:27:58.319 --> 00:27:59.279
 and he's like,

00:27:59.840 --> 00:28:00.259
 the sermon,

00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:01.059
 he's like,

00:28:01.059 --> 00:28:01.920
 I never wanted

00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:02.900
 the sermon to end.

00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:04.380
 It was so fascinating.

00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:05.279
 Right?

00:28:05.460 --> 00:28:05.759
 You're like,

00:28:05.840 --> 00:28:05.960
 boy,

00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:06.480
 the Holy Spirit

00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:06.960
 must be working.

00:28:07.120 --> 00:28:07.740
 The sermon was like

00:28:07.740 --> 00:28:08.799
 an hour long.

00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:09.240
 Like,

00:28:09.579 --> 00:28:10.019
 you know,

00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:10.759
 and,

00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:12.119
 and he had,

00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:12.680
 so anyway,

00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:13.559
 he had this like

00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:14.639
 remarkable conversion.

00:28:15.220 --> 00:28:15.419
 Right?

00:28:17.259 --> 00:28:17.700
 Anyway,

00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:18.319
 you can read the story.

00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:18.899
 But,

00:28:19.779 --> 00:28:20.059
 you know,

00:28:20.099 --> 00:28:20.579
 but he was like,

00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:21.579
 it was actually really helpful

00:28:21.579 --> 00:28:22.940
 that somebody was just clear

00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:24.460
 and like didn't get all

00:28:24.460 --> 00:28:25.299
 weird about it.

00:28:25.539 --> 00:28:26.019
 We're just like,

00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:26.240
 well,

00:28:26.460 --> 00:28:26.700
 no,

00:28:26.779 --> 00:28:27.619
 that's where we stand.

00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:28.739
 But,

00:28:29.059 --> 00:28:29.379
 you know,

00:28:29.639 --> 00:28:29.939
 that's,

00:28:30.139 --> 00:28:30.619
 you're welcome

00:28:30.619 --> 00:28:31.339
 to come to our church.

00:28:31.779 --> 00:28:31.799
 Like,

00:28:32.539 --> 00:28:35.299
 now sometimes I think

00:28:35.299 --> 00:28:36.839
 it's worth trying to bring

00:28:36.839 --> 00:28:37.799
 in the bigger picture.

00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:38.959
 Right?

00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:39.299
 So,

00:28:39.479 --> 00:28:40.179
 here are ways to bring

00:28:40.179 --> 00:28:40.819
 in the bigger picture.

00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:43.279
 And many times Jesus did this.

00:28:43.339 --> 00:28:43.479
 So,

00:28:43.579 --> 00:28:44.159
 sometimes Jesus,

00:28:44.339 --> 00:28:45.000
 people come to Jesus

00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:45.559
 with a question

00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:46.279
 and he answers

00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:47.139
 with another question.

00:28:47.639 --> 00:28:48.699
 Or he sort of brings

00:28:48.699 --> 00:28:49.339
 in a bigger picture

00:28:49.339 --> 00:28:50.000
 he doesn't answer

00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:50.879
 immediately directly.

00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:51.959
 So,

00:28:52.379 --> 00:28:53.479
 is homosexuality a sin?

00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:53.719
 Well,

00:28:53.779 --> 00:28:54.979
 what do you think sin is?

00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:56.479
 Well,

00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:57.199
 the Bible says that

00:28:57.200 --> 00:28:59.360
 everyone has sinned

00:28:59.360 --> 00:29:00.180
 and fallen short

00:29:00.180 --> 00:29:00.940
 of the glory of God.

00:29:02.259 --> 00:29:02.620
 So,

00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:03.440
 that sort of opens up

00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:04.279
 a bigger conversation.

00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:04.539
 Right?

00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:05.140
 You don't want to just

00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:05.940
 avoid the question

00:29:05.940 --> 00:29:06.840
 and never answer it.

00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:07.299
 But,

00:29:07.360 --> 00:29:07.920
 it's sort of

00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:08.900
 bringing in a bigger,

00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:09.640
 is it,

00:29:09.980 --> 00:29:10.299
 okay,

00:29:10.620 --> 00:29:11.019
 so,

00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:11.420
 you know,

00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:12.380
 so we're clear

00:29:12.380 --> 00:29:13.440
 that we're not just saying

00:29:13.440 --> 00:29:15.160
 those people are sinners

00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:16.180
 and we're not.

00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:16.620
 Right?

00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:16.819
 No,

00:29:16.860 --> 00:29:17.440
 the Bible's saying

00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:18.580
 we're all sinners.

00:29:18.740 --> 00:29:18.860
 Well,

00:29:18.900 --> 00:29:19.480
 what is sin?

00:29:19.840 --> 00:29:20.039
 Right?

00:29:23.380 --> 00:29:23.860
 All right.

00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:24.420
 Third question,

00:29:24.539 --> 00:29:25.519
 should I attend a gay wedding

00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:26.259
 if I'm invited?

00:29:27.200 --> 00:29:27.759
 Okay?

00:29:27.940 --> 00:29:29.039
 Some Christians say no

00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.319
 because they would say

00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:31.980
 attending a wedding

00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:32.759
 means you're witnessing

00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:33.880
 and blessing the vows

00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:35.120
 of the couple getting married.

00:29:35.900 --> 00:29:36.799
 Other Christians say yes,

00:29:36.840 --> 00:29:37.620
 you can attend a wedding

00:29:37.620 --> 00:29:38.799
 as an expression of friendship

00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:40.080
 without endorsing the marriage.

00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:40.880
 Right?

00:29:40.980 --> 00:29:41.140
 So,

00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:41.940
 is this like

00:29:41.940 --> 00:29:43.160
 going to worship

00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:44.000
 in an idol's temple

00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:45.400
 or is it like

00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:46.380
 Jesus eating and drinking

00:29:46.380 --> 00:29:47.240
 with the tax collectors?

00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:48.819
 Right?

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:49.559
 Okay,

00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:50.360
 good question.

00:29:51.819 --> 00:29:52.720
 I think there's,

00:29:52.779 --> 00:29:53.000
 so,

00:29:53.120 --> 00:29:53.720
 there's some roles

00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:54.100
 in a wedding

00:29:54.100 --> 00:29:55.240
 that clearly communicate

00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:56.420
 I approve

00:29:56.420 --> 00:29:58.259
 and I'm here,

00:29:58.380 --> 00:29:59.700
 I'm completely behind

00:29:59.700 --> 00:30:01.160
 sort of everything

00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:02.220
 that this couple is doing.

00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:02.460
 Right?

00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:03.059
 Officiating,

00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:03.740
 obviously,

00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:05.180
 I think also being

00:30:05.180 --> 00:30:05.960
 in the wedding party,

00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:08.720
 you know,

00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:09.519
 standing up there,

00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:10.500
 that's sort of symbolic,

00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:12.200
 that seems to fall

00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:12.880
 on that side.

00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:15.400
 I think just being

00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:16.099
 in the audience

00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:16.940
 may or may not

00:30:16.940 --> 00:30:17.779
 communicate approval.

00:30:17.900 --> 00:30:17.980
 So,

00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:18.819
 traditionally it did.

00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:20.460
 Traditionally it's like

00:30:20.460 --> 00:30:22.579
 God and these witnesses.

00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:23.899
 Today,

00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:25.519
 it's not,

00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:26.919
 I don't think people

00:30:26.919 --> 00:30:27.539
 see the audience

00:30:27.539 --> 00:30:28.379
 in a sort of that way.

00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:30.779
 I think people

00:30:30.779 --> 00:30:31.359
 see the audience

00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:31.639
 as,

00:30:31.779 --> 00:30:31.879
 well,

00:30:31.939 --> 00:30:32.259
 they're here,

00:30:32.339 --> 00:30:32.879
 they're our friends,

00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:33.819
 we want them to be

00:30:33.819 --> 00:30:34.919
 part of our party.

00:30:38.139 --> 00:30:38.500
 So,

00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.059
 so I think

00:30:41.059 --> 00:30:41.980
 it's more problematic

00:30:41.980 --> 00:30:43.019
 if someone

00:30:43.019 --> 00:30:44.619
 is having

00:30:44.619 --> 00:30:45.439
 same-sex wedding

00:30:45.439 --> 00:30:46.759
 explicitly

00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.079
 in the name of Christ

00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.919
 and sort of

00:30:50.919 --> 00:30:51.939
 because that isn't

00:30:51.939 --> 00:30:52.879
 something that Christ

00:30:52.879 --> 00:30:53.879
 actually is

00:30:53.879 --> 00:30:55.220
 sort of authorizing

00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.259
 and blessing.

00:30:58.439 --> 00:30:58.839
 But,

00:30:59.099 --> 00:30:59.779
 question is to ask.

00:30:59.899 --> 00:31:00.460
 If I attend,

00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:01.220
 what will that communicate?

00:31:01.379 --> 00:31:02.039
 If I don't attend,

00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:02.759
 what will that communicate?

00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:04.439
 If I attend something

00:31:04.439 --> 00:31:05.439
 I can't fully support,

00:31:06.199 --> 00:31:07.119
 how do I maintain

00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:07.619
 integrity

00:31:07.619 --> 00:31:08.559
 in that setting?

00:31:08.980 --> 00:31:09.199
 Sort of,

00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:09.679
 what boundaries

00:31:09.679 --> 00:31:10.220
 will I draw?

00:31:11.539 --> 00:31:11.699
 So,

00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:11.899
 again,

00:31:12.059 --> 00:31:12.659
 so I,

00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.339
 my cousin

00:31:15.339 --> 00:31:16.899
 had a same-sex wedding.

00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:17.300
 Yes,

00:31:17.340 --> 00:31:19.300
 I have a lot of

00:31:19.300 --> 00:31:21.480
 extended family members

00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:22.740
 who are in,

00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:24.740
 who identify as LGBT

00:31:24.740 --> 00:31:26.380
 and I had to ask myself,

00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:26.960
 do I go?

00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:27.500
 Right?

00:31:27.740 --> 00:31:27.980
 So,

00:31:28.780 --> 00:31:29.320
 but what do I,

00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:29.960
 what do I say

00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:30.620
 as I walk through

00:31:30.620 --> 00:31:31.280
 the receiving line?

00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:32.240
 Right?

00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:34.320
 And so I said,

00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:34.540
 you know,

00:31:34.620 --> 00:31:35.220
 I'm really glad

00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:36.140
 to be here with you today

00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:37.440
 and I'm really thankful

00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:37.740
 for you,

00:31:37.860 --> 00:31:38.840
 for you guys.

00:31:39.780 --> 00:31:39.980
 Right?

00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:41.320
 I can say that

00:31:41.320 --> 00:31:41.880
 with integrity.

00:31:42.800 --> 00:31:43.019
 Right?

00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:44.660
 I'm thankful for you,

00:31:44.780 --> 00:31:46.340
 for having you guys

00:31:46.340 --> 00:31:46.800
 in my life.

00:31:46.900 --> 00:31:47.300
 Um,

00:31:48.580 --> 00:31:50.460
 but other people

00:31:50.460 --> 00:31:51.340
 might choose not to attend.

00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:52.360
 Other people might feel like,

00:31:52.540 --> 00:31:53.540
 I just can't do it.

00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:53.960
 Like,

00:31:54.019 --> 00:31:54.700
 I just can't do it

00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:55.220
 with integrity.

00:31:56.620 --> 00:31:57.100
 That's fine.

00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:57.820
 If you're there,

00:31:58.240 --> 00:31:58.400
 then,

00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:59.420
 then I think the question is,

00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:00.100
 how do you,

00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:01.019
 sort of,

00:32:01.120 --> 00:32:01.820
 um,

00:32:02.180 --> 00:32:03.100
 be intentional

00:32:03.100 --> 00:32:04.360
 about pursuing relationship

00:32:04.360 --> 00:32:05.259
 with people

00:32:05.259 --> 00:32:06.480
 both before and afterwards?

00:32:07.080 --> 00:32:08.100
 And sort of expressing,

00:32:08.340 --> 00:32:08.519
 like,

00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:09.480
 you know,

00:32:09.600 --> 00:32:11.000
 and maybe you're

00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:11.940
 explicit about why

00:32:11.940 --> 00:32:12.540
 you can't attend,

00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:14.040
 maybe you're more distant

00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:15.119
 and you just,

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:15.819
 you know,

00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:16.299
 uh,

00:32:16.299 --> 00:32:17.379
 decline the invitation.

00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:18.619
 But how do you express,

00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:18.899
 like,

00:32:18.980 --> 00:32:19.359
 I still,

00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:19.680
 I,

00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:21.619
 I value you as a friend

00:32:21.619 --> 00:32:23.279
 or as extended family member?

00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:26.000
 Um,

00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:26.720
 all right.

00:32:27.220 --> 00:32:28.339
 I'm sure these questions

00:32:28.339 --> 00:32:28.980
 raise more questions,

00:32:29.059 --> 00:32:29.500
 but we'll go on.

00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:30.660
 What about preferred pronouns

00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:32.079
 and people who adopt

00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:32.500
 a new name

00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:33.720
 as part of their gender transition?

00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:35.160
 Is that,

00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:36.059
 is calling someone

00:32:36.059 --> 00:32:36.940
 by their preferred name

00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:37.460
 and pronoun

00:32:37.460 --> 00:32:39.119
 an expression of hospitality,

00:32:39.299 --> 00:32:40.319
 meaning people where they are?

00:32:40.380 --> 00:32:40.700
 Or,

00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:42.420
 is it bearing false witness

00:32:42.420 --> 00:32:43.500
 because you are affirming

00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:44.460
 something that,

00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:46.000
 that is not actually true?

00:32:46.900 --> 00:32:48.059
 Calling someone he

00:32:48.059 --> 00:32:49.500
 when they are really she

00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.440
 in God's eyes.

00:32:51.900 --> 00:32:52.380
 Uh,

00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:52.619
 so,

00:32:52.779 --> 00:32:53.960
 so there's a lot of pressure,

00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:55.200
 uh,

00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:56.339
 including legal pressure.

00:32:56.500 --> 00:32:57.200
 I think New York City

00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.319
 passed a misgendering ordinance

00:32:59.319 --> 00:33:00.579
 and in Great Britain

00:33:00.579 --> 00:33:01.460
 there is one as well.

00:33:02.019 --> 00:33:02.299
 Um,

00:33:02.299 --> 00:33:03.259
 so there's pressure

00:33:03.259 --> 00:33:03.899
 to just

00:33:03.899 --> 00:33:05.079
 call people

00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:06.119
 whatever they want to be called

00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:06.740
 and don't you dare

00:33:06.740 --> 00:33:07.319
 question that.

00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:08.679
 Uh,

00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:08.899
 now,

00:33:09.019 --> 00:33:09.960
 I think there's a question

00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:10.919
 that as Christians

00:33:10.919 --> 00:33:12.339
 we need to be discerning

00:33:12.339 --> 00:33:13.079
 and prayerful

00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:14.000
 and patient

00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:14.559
 and courageous.

00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:15.019
 So,

00:33:15.659 --> 00:33:15.919
 you know,

00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:17.059
 if somebody introduces themselves

00:33:17.059 --> 00:33:18.839
 to you by a certain name,

00:33:19.299 --> 00:33:20.819
 I think just go with that name,

00:33:20.939 --> 00:33:21.200
 right?

00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:22.960
 I've had people introduce themselves

00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.339
 to me by all kinds of names.

00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:26.500
 I'm G.

00:33:27.579 --> 00:33:28.019
 I'm,

00:33:28.439 --> 00:33:28.819
 you know,

00:33:28.939 --> 00:33:29.299
 whatever.

00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:29.759
 And I'm like,

00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:31.019
 I don't think that was

00:33:31.019 --> 00:33:31.579
 your birth name.

00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:32.599
 Okay?

00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:33.519
 Right?

00:33:33.599 --> 00:33:34.019
 But you know what?

00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:35.240
 I'm not going to ask for their ID.

00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:35.939
 I'm not going to say

00:33:35.939 --> 00:33:36.839
 what did your brother name you

00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:37.439
 when you were born.

00:33:37.539 --> 00:33:38.039
 I'm not going to,

00:33:38.279 --> 00:33:38.859
 I'm just,

00:33:39.099 --> 00:33:39.759
 fine,

00:33:39.899 --> 00:33:40.759
 I'll relate to you

00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:41.259
 however you,

00:33:41.419 --> 00:33:41.579
 like,

00:33:41.639 --> 00:33:43.159
 whatever name you're telling me.

00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:43.399
 Like,

00:33:43.480 --> 00:33:44.220
 we're just starting

00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:44.939
 a relationship here.

00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:46.000
 Um,

00:33:46.299 --> 00:33:46.799
 now if you have

00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:47.819
 an existing relationship

00:33:47.819 --> 00:33:48.439
 with somebody,

00:33:49.259 --> 00:33:50.639
 you could have

00:33:50.639 --> 00:33:51.619
 an honest conversation

00:33:51.619 --> 00:33:52.500
 about what you're willing

00:33:52.500 --> 00:33:53.539
 or not willing to do.

00:33:54.139 --> 00:33:54.980
 So you might say,

00:33:55.059 --> 00:33:55.899
 I'm willing to

00:33:55.899 --> 00:33:57.179
 call you by the name

00:33:57.179 --> 00:33:57.919
 you want to be called,

00:33:57.919 --> 00:33:59.059
 but I don't feel comfortable

00:33:59.059 --> 00:34:00.279
 referring to you as he.

00:34:00.679 --> 00:34:00.940
 Is that,

00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:01.440
 you know,

00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:02.059
 is that okay?

00:34:03.579 --> 00:34:03.940
 Um,

00:34:04.059 --> 00:34:04.940
 so,

00:34:05.099 --> 00:34:05.799
 in some cases

00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:06.940
 you can sort of work that out.

00:34:07.059 --> 00:34:07.960
 People will accept that.

00:34:08.159 --> 00:34:09.139
 There's sort of a way of,

00:34:09.420 --> 00:34:09.659
 okay,

00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:11.039
 we're trying to respect each other

00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:11.980
 and,

00:34:12.139 --> 00:34:13.119
 you know,

00:34:13.299 --> 00:34:14.019
 there may be some

00:34:14.019 --> 00:34:14.759
 give and take

00:34:14.759 --> 00:34:15.519
 on both sides.

00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:16.539
 um,

00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:17.800
 uh,

00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:18.920
 now in at least

00:34:18.920 --> 00:34:19.699
 some cases,

00:34:20.259 --> 00:34:20.539
 um,

00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:21.059
 just,

00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:21.320
 I'll,

00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:22.159
 I'll get back to you.

00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:22.739
 Uh,

00:34:23.179 --> 00:34:24.159
 in at least some cases

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:24.519
 you may,

00:34:24.739 --> 00:34:24.980
 uh,

00:34:24.980 --> 00:34:25.780
 so an obvious case

00:34:25.780 --> 00:34:26.380
 might be,

00:34:26.380 --> 00:34:27.039
 uh,

00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:28.420
 someone who is suicidal,

00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:29.099
 someone who is

00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:29.980
 extremely depressed,

00:34:29.980 --> 00:34:30.820
 uh,

00:34:30.820 --> 00:34:31.880
 or mentally unstable.

00:34:32.579 --> 00:34:32.980
 Um,

00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:33.960
 I,

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:34.739
 I think there are

00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:35.480
 certainly some cases

00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:35.880
 where you,

00:34:35.940 --> 00:34:36.579
 you might decide

00:34:36.579 --> 00:34:37.480
 it is not wise

00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.320
 to even attempt

00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:39.460
 to open this can

00:34:39.460 --> 00:34:40.219
 of worms right now

00:34:40.219 --> 00:34:40.980
 because there are

00:34:40.980 --> 00:34:41.940
 sort of bigger issues

00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:42.400
 at stake.

00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:43.900
 And maybe we can talk

00:34:43.900 --> 00:34:44.720
 about this down the road

00:34:44.720 --> 00:34:45.400
 but the best thing

00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:45.960
 would just be

00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.420
 let's not even

00:34:47.420 --> 00:34:48.380
 try to navigate,

00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:49.260
 you know,

00:34:49.660 --> 00:34:50.400
 let's just,

00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:50.700
 let me,

00:34:50.860 --> 00:34:51.639
 let's just try to,

00:34:52.240 --> 00:34:52.820
 uh,

00:34:52.900 --> 00:34:53.539
 sort of,

00:34:53.539 --> 00:34:54.119
 um,

00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.119
 uh,

00:34:57.440 --> 00:34:58.460
 even accept something

00:34:58.460 --> 00:34:59.160
 that might be

00:34:59.160 --> 00:35:00.539
 maybe less than ideal.

00:35:01.700 --> 00:35:02.099
 Um,

00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:03.079
 avoiding pronouns

00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:03.619
 is possible

00:35:03.619 --> 00:35:04.019
 at times

00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:04.599
 it can be awkward.

00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:06.760
 All right,

00:35:06.820 --> 00:35:07.320
 last question

00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:08.220
 and then I'll open it up.

00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:08.519
 Uh,

00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:09.180
 how do I talk about

00:35:09.180 --> 00:35:10.099
 all this with my children?

00:35:10.860 --> 00:35:12.039
 Or if you will have children,

00:35:12.160 --> 00:35:12.340
 right?

00:35:12.980 --> 00:35:13.660
 Christian parents

00:35:13.660 --> 00:35:14.260
 should actively

00:35:14.260 --> 00:35:14.980
 guide their children

00:35:14.980 --> 00:35:15.980
 in age-appropriate

00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:17.119
 gender identity development.

00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:17.760
 Uh,

00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:18.119
 so,

00:35:18.420 --> 00:35:19.579
 this begins with

00:35:19.579 --> 00:35:20.820
 repeatedly and regularly

00:35:20.820 --> 00:35:21.519
 affirming

00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:23.019
 in different ways

00:35:23.019 --> 00:35:23.940
 how wonderful it is

00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:24.579
 that God has made

00:35:24.579 --> 00:35:25.500
 them male or female

00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:26.320
 and explaining

00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:27.240
 God's good design

00:35:27.240 --> 00:35:28.139
 for the human body

00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:29.360
 and male and female

00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:29.860
 relationships

00:35:29.860 --> 00:35:31.039
 at an early age.

00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:31.460
 And I think

00:35:31.460 --> 00:35:32.599
 the best way

00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:33.240
 to do this

00:35:33.240 --> 00:35:35.320
 is to talk about this,

00:35:35.619 --> 00:35:35.940
 uh,

00:35:36.139 --> 00:35:36.940
 before,

00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:38.039
 uh,

00:35:38.099 --> 00:35:39.000
 children are directly

00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:40.119
 confronted with sort of

00:35:40.119 --> 00:35:41.519
 fallenness and brokenness

00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:42.759
 in this area.

00:35:42.900 --> 00:35:44.559
 And not as a reaction

00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:45.719
 to,

00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.099
 um,

00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:48.599
 seeing something

00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:49.480
 that you're like,

00:35:49.539 --> 00:35:49.920
 oh no,

00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:50.860
 I can't affirm,

00:35:50.980 --> 00:35:51.300
 I can't,

00:35:51.340 --> 00:35:52.259
 we can't promote that

00:35:52.259 --> 00:35:53.539
 so I need to tell

00:35:53.539 --> 00:35:54.139
 my children

00:35:54.139 --> 00:35:55.380
 what God's design is.

00:35:55.460 --> 00:35:55.619
 No,

00:35:55.699 --> 00:35:55.820
 we,

00:35:55.820 --> 00:35:56.320
 we need to,

00:35:56.460 --> 00:35:57.239
 first,

00:35:57.380 --> 00:35:58.420
 the best thing is like,

00:35:58.679 --> 00:35:59.400
 start early.

00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:00.300
 Um,

00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:01.220
 so,

00:36:01.220 --> 00:36:01.400
 uh,

00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:02.639
 we used,

00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:02.940
 uh,

00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:03.760
 two books that I think

00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:04.160
 are on the bookstore

00:36:04.160 --> 00:36:05.360
 called The Story of Me

00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:06.420
 and Before I Was Born.

00:36:06.500 --> 00:36:06.920
 They're sort of,

00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:07.180
 um,

00:36:08.139 --> 00:36:08.500
 uh,

00:36:08.740 --> 00:36:08.940
 book,

00:36:09.059 --> 00:36:09.280
 uh,

00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:10.260
 picture books

00:36:10.260 --> 00:36:10.800
 with,

00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:11.420
 uh,

00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:13.160
 very tasteful,

00:36:13.160 --> 00:36:14.240
 uh,

00:36:14.260 --> 00:36:14.760
 illustrations.

00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:15.820
 Um,

00:36:15.820 --> 00:36:16.960
 so we were the first one

00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:17.639
 when our children,

00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:18.420
 our older children

00:36:18.420 --> 00:36:19.039
 had just turned three

00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:19.539
 and five.

00:36:20.340 --> 00:36:20.740
 Uh,

00:36:20.740 --> 00:36:22.139
 and so these for us

00:36:22.139 --> 00:36:22.760
 opened the door

00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:24.039
 to many further conversations.

00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:25.139
 So it's a normal topic

00:36:25.139 --> 00:36:25.960
 in our household,

00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:26.720
 uh,

00:36:26.720 --> 00:36:27.800
 to talk about being male

00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:28.320
 and female,

00:36:28.640 --> 00:36:29.760
 even to talk about sex.

00:36:29.900 --> 00:36:31.140
 Our kids can ask us questions.

00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:31.420
 Now,

00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:31.820
 I'm not,

00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:32.300
 you know,

00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:32.680
 like,

00:36:33.500 --> 00:36:35.539
 you can be discreet here.

00:36:36.120 --> 00:36:36.560
 Okay?

00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:37.220
 Right?

00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:37.920
 I'm not going,

00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:39.320
 I'm not saying let's,

00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:39.820
 you know,

00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:40.100
 be,

00:36:40.160 --> 00:36:40.480
 be,

00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:40.800
 um,

00:36:41.260 --> 00:36:41.620
 uh,

00:36:41.660 --> 00:36:42.140
 sort of,

00:36:42.140 --> 00:36:42.860
 uh,

00:36:42.860 --> 00:36:43.600
 inappropriate.

00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:44.120
 But,

00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:45.780
 but I also think,

00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:46.580
 um,

00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:47.460
 you know,

00:36:48.060 --> 00:36:48.320
 uh,

00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:49.039
 this is something

00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:50.019
 that God has made.

00:36:50.340 --> 00:36:50.460
 Right?

00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:51.560
 God made our bodies.

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:52.320
 They're good.

00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:53.320
 He made them good.

00:36:54.019 --> 00:36:54.220
 Right?

00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:54.960
 He made humanity

00:36:54.960 --> 00:36:56.280
 to reproduce sexually.

00:36:56.539 --> 00:36:56.720
 Right?

00:36:56.900 --> 00:36:57.640
 You can explain

00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:58.159
 that to children

00:36:58.159 --> 00:36:59.159
 in an appropriate way.

00:36:59.699 --> 00:36:59.920
 Right?

00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:00.639
 It takes a mommy

00:37:00.639 --> 00:37:01.179
 and a daddy,

00:37:01.460 --> 00:37:02.159
 a man and a woman

00:37:02.159 --> 00:37:03.019
 to come together

00:37:03.019 --> 00:37:04.000
 and make a baby.

00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:04.799
 Right?

00:37:05.139 --> 00:37:05.500
 Like,

00:37:05.839 --> 00:37:06.539
 it's a mysterious,

00:37:07.139 --> 00:37:07.599
 you know,

00:37:07.759 --> 00:37:08.579
 at first you can say

00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:08.859
 it's just,

00:37:09.099 --> 00:37:10.000
 it's a wonderful thing.

00:37:10.099 --> 00:37:10.299
 Like,

00:37:10.379 --> 00:37:10.739
 mommy and daddy

00:37:10.739 --> 00:37:11.379
 love each other

00:37:11.379 --> 00:37:12.059
 so much

00:37:12.059 --> 00:37:13.219
 that they want to,

00:37:13.219 --> 00:37:13.900
 um,

00:37:14.019 --> 00:37:14.900
 sort of bring,

00:37:15.019 --> 00:37:15.799
 uh,

00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:16.579
 another person

00:37:16.579 --> 00:37:17.019
 into the world.

00:37:17.099 --> 00:37:17.920
 It's a gift from God.

00:37:18.299 --> 00:37:18.460
 So,

00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:19.179
 I think it's important

00:37:19.179 --> 00:37:20.139
 not to just avoid

00:37:20.139 --> 00:37:21.179
 talking about these topics

00:37:21.179 --> 00:37:22.400
 because of some

00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:23.299
 misguided sense

00:37:23.299 --> 00:37:23.859
 of shame

00:37:23.859 --> 00:37:24.559
 or embarrassment.

00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:25.619
 Uh,

00:37:25.619 --> 00:37:25.900
 so,

00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:27.820
 back in the 19th century

00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:28.880
 in the Victorian era,

00:37:29.579 --> 00:37:30.840
 and sometimes

00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:31.900
 the church is a little bit

00:37:31.900 --> 00:37:32.679
 influenced by this,

00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.480
 nobody ever talked

00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:35.179
 about sex.

00:37:35.659 --> 00:37:35.940
 Right?

00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:36.719
 That was like

00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:37.759
 off the table.

00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:38.860
 Don't talk about it.

00:37:39.219 --> 00:37:39.539
 But,

00:37:39.699 --> 00:37:40.159
 you know what?

00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:41.840
 People talked very openly

00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:42.639
 about death.

00:37:43.320 --> 00:37:44.019
 You're gonna die.

00:37:44.900 --> 00:37:45.820
 You would take children

00:37:45.820 --> 00:37:46.239
 to maybe,

00:37:46.699 --> 00:37:47.199
 you know,

00:37:47.259 --> 00:37:47.519
 you might,

00:37:47.759 --> 00:37:48.179
 growing up,

00:37:48.340 --> 00:37:49.059
 see the corpses

00:37:49.059 --> 00:37:49.699
 of people

00:37:49.699 --> 00:37:50.139
 who were,

00:37:50.460 --> 00:37:51.599
 had passed away.

00:37:52.319 --> 00:37:52.500
 Uh,

00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:53.079
 death was not

00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:53.699
 hidden away.

00:37:54.500 --> 00:37:54.860
 Uh,

00:37:54.940 --> 00:37:55.659
 people might die

00:37:55.659 --> 00:37:56.279
 in your home.

00:37:56.900 --> 00:37:57.339
 Right?

00:37:58.139 --> 00:37:58.559
 Now,

00:37:58.619 --> 00:37:59.480
 today it's the reverse.

00:37:59.779 --> 00:37:59.960
 Right?

00:38:00.019 --> 00:38:00.819
 American adults are,

00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:01.179
 you know,

00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:01.900
 advertisement,

00:38:02.119 --> 00:38:02.400
 TV,

00:38:02.779 --> 00:38:03.699
 sex is everywhere.

00:38:04.619 --> 00:38:05.360
 But we don't want

00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:06.000
 to talk about death.

00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:07.900
 And we want to keep

00:38:07.900 --> 00:38:08.960
 death behind closed doors

00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:10.440
 and somewhere else.

00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:12.179
 And we think that

00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:13.339
 not telling children

00:38:13.339 --> 00:38:13.900
 about death

00:38:13.900 --> 00:38:14.940
 at all

00:38:14.940 --> 00:38:15.860
 would be a good thing

00:38:15.860 --> 00:38:16.380
 because we're

00:38:16.380 --> 00:38:17.039
 protecting them.

00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:19.259
 I don't think

00:38:19.259 --> 00:38:19.539
 the Bible,

00:38:19.619 --> 00:38:20.860
 the Bible is both

00:38:20.860 --> 00:38:21.539
 discreet,

00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.079
 about these topics,

00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:24.059
 but also very

00:38:24.059 --> 00:38:24.759
 frank,

00:38:25.739 --> 00:38:26.159
 actually.

00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:27.599
 Uh,

00:38:27.819 --> 00:38:28.920
 talk about what they are,

00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:30.059
 God's plan for them,

00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:30.880
 and,

00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.480
 and the hope

00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:32.880
 that we have

00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:33.039
 as,

00:38:33.099 --> 00:38:33.719
 as Christians.

00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:36.319
 Uh,

00:38:36.319 --> 00:38:36.839
 it's not unusual

00:38:36.839 --> 00:38:37.480
 for young children

00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:38.179
 as they're exploring

00:38:38.179 --> 00:38:38.699
 the world

00:38:38.699 --> 00:38:39.319
 and their bodies

00:38:39.319 --> 00:38:40.400
 develop to say

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:40.920
 things like,

00:38:40.980 --> 00:38:41.759
 I wish I was a boy

00:38:41.759 --> 00:38:42.699
 or I wish I was a girl.

00:38:42.799 --> 00:38:43.440
 That doesn't mean

00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.159
 a child has

00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:44.900
 gender dysphoria.

00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:46.519
 It probably means

00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:47.039
 they're attracted

00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:48.059
 to some quality

00:38:48.059 --> 00:38:48.980
 that they primarily

00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:49.739
 associate with

00:38:49.739 --> 00:38:50.579
 the opposite sex.

00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:51.819
 Right?

00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:53.000
 And it's good

00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:53.659
 to be able

00:38:53.659 --> 00:38:54.219
 to appreciate

00:38:54.219 --> 00:38:54.940
 qualities of

00:38:54.940 --> 00:38:55.619
 the opposite sex.

00:38:55.719 --> 00:38:56.619
 That's one quality

00:38:56.619 --> 00:38:57.460
 we want to inculcate

00:38:57.460 --> 00:38:58.019
 in our children.

00:38:58.420 --> 00:38:58.799
 Right?

00:38:58.860 --> 00:38:59.480
 Not to be

00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:00.539
 sexist,

00:39:00.659 --> 00:39:00.840
 you know,

00:39:00.860 --> 00:39:01.480
 not to be like,

00:39:01.539 --> 00:39:01.679
 oh,

00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.579
 I hate those girls,

00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:03.500
 I hate those boys.

00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:03.759
 No,

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:05.119
 again,

00:39:05.119 --> 00:39:05.619
 that's probably

00:39:05.619 --> 00:39:06.340
 natural adult mental

00:39:06.340 --> 00:39:06.579
 stage,

00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:07.039
 but you've got to

00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:07.539
 help your children

00:39:07.539 --> 00:39:08.259
 get beyond that.

00:39:08.799 --> 00:39:09.199
 Right?

00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:09.739
 You don't want

00:39:09.739 --> 00:39:10.299
 that to grow up

00:39:10.299 --> 00:39:10.819
 into adulthood.

00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:11.899
 Right?

00:39:14.799 --> 00:39:15.480
 Last point,

00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:16.179
 both mothers

00:39:16.179 --> 00:39:16.939
 and fathers

00:39:16.939 --> 00:39:17.879
 should be involved

00:39:17.879 --> 00:39:19.779
 in conversations

00:39:19.779 --> 00:39:20.279
 with children

00:39:20.279 --> 00:39:20.859
 about gender

00:39:20.859 --> 00:39:21.579
 and sexuality.

00:39:23.259 --> 00:39:23.980
 This is not

00:39:23.980 --> 00:39:24.559
 a responsibility

00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:25.219
 that should be

00:39:25.219 --> 00:39:25.839
 delegated to

00:39:25.839 --> 00:39:26.799
 one parent alone.

00:39:26.980 --> 00:39:27.259
 Usually,

00:39:27.419 --> 00:39:27.899
 it's delegated

00:39:27.899 --> 00:39:28.419
 to the mother.

00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:30.159
 Dads,

00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:32.099
 take up

00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:32.859
 your responsibility.

00:39:34.739 --> 00:39:35.559
 And this is

00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:35.859
 a privilege.

00:39:36.379 --> 00:39:36.980
 It's a privilege

00:39:36.980 --> 00:39:37.299
 to be able

00:39:37.299 --> 00:39:37.759
 to talk with

00:39:37.759 --> 00:39:38.059
 your children

00:39:38.059 --> 00:39:38.779
 about these things.

00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:41.000
 And to talk

00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:41.679
 about God's design

00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:42.039
 with them

00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:42.480
 and have this

00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:43.019
 be a topic

00:39:43.019 --> 00:39:44.059
 that is part

00:39:44.059 --> 00:39:44.920
 of sort of

00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:46.179
 our ongoing

00:39:46.179 --> 00:39:46.779
 discipleship

00:39:46.779 --> 00:39:47.340
 with our children

00:39:47.340 --> 00:39:48.900
 as they grow.

00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:49.739
 And to be able

00:39:49.739 --> 00:39:50.199
 to receive

00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:50.739
 who they are

00:39:50.739 --> 00:39:51.619
 as a good gift

00:39:51.619 --> 00:39:52.039
 from God

00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:52.799
 and relate

00:39:52.799 --> 00:39:53.679
 in healthy ways

00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:55.860
 to people

00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:56.960
 of the same

00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:57.639
 or opposite sex.

00:39:58.440 --> 00:39:58.820
 All right.

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:00.480
 Questions?

00:40:00.579 --> 00:40:01.299
 We've got ten minutes.

00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:03.000
 Ivor.

00:40:03.539 --> 00:40:03.759
 Well,

00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:04.380
 first of all,

00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:05.779
 I think this

00:40:05.779 --> 00:40:06.559
 is the best teaching

00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:07.239
 I've ever heard

00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:07.779
 about this.

00:40:08.059 --> 00:40:10.239
 and I think

00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:10.559
 you should

00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:11.519
 probably publish it.

00:40:13.900 --> 00:40:14.860
 It needs to be

00:40:14.860 --> 00:40:15.599
 out there.

00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:17.960
 But avoiding

00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:19.980
 the whole idea

00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:20.619
 of pronouns

00:40:20.619 --> 00:40:21.480
 is very good.

00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:23.320
 It's just someone's name

00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:24.279
 is what I was taught

00:40:24.279 --> 00:40:25.179
 when I was counseling.

00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:26.320
 Yep.

00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:27.279
 The name.

00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:28.039
 Just say that.

00:40:28.299 --> 00:40:28.519
 Yep.

00:40:28.579 --> 00:40:30.299
 Whatever they give you,

00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:31.199
 that's what you use.

00:40:31.460 --> 00:40:31.699
 Yep.

00:40:32.299 --> 00:40:32.559
 Yep.

00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:33.039
 You can certainly

00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:33.440
 do that.

00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:33.880
 That's,

00:40:33.960 --> 00:40:34.219
 that's,

00:40:34.779 --> 00:40:35.039
 yeah.

00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:35.480
 Yeah.

00:40:35.480 --> 00:40:36.539
 And avoid

00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:38.139
 Ms.

00:40:38.279 --> 00:40:38.599
 and,

00:40:38.900 --> 00:40:39.920
 you know,

00:40:39.980 --> 00:40:40.440
 all those

00:40:40.440 --> 00:40:42.960
 different

00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:44.559
 contractions

00:40:44.559 --> 00:40:45.519
 and just use

00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.019
 that whole name.

00:40:47.420 --> 00:40:47.619
 Yeah.

00:40:48.179 --> 00:40:48.980
 Or title.

00:40:49.380 --> 00:40:49.699
 Yep.

00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:50.480
 Yep.

00:40:51.119 --> 00:40:51.360
 Yep.

00:40:51.420 --> 00:40:51.860
 You can just use

00:40:51.860 --> 00:40:52.360
 somebody's name.

00:40:52.539 --> 00:40:52.659
 Yep.

00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:55.719
 Elizabeth.

00:40:55.719 --> 00:40:58.139
 This is a suggestion

00:40:58.139 --> 00:40:59.699
 as a resource.

00:41:02.179 --> 00:41:03.559
 I've been watching

00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:04.819
 YouTube videos

00:41:04.819 --> 00:41:05.679
 instead of,

00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:06.739
 you know,

00:41:06.799 --> 00:41:07.299
 movies.

00:41:08.299 --> 00:41:10.039
 And Eric in Texas

00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:11.000
 interviews really

00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:12.079
 interesting people.

00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:13.460
 so one night

00:41:13.460 --> 00:41:14.420
 he was interviewing

00:41:14.420 --> 00:41:15.279
 Beckett Cook

00:41:15.279 --> 00:41:16.480
 and it was

00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:18.380
 just astounding.

00:41:19.219 --> 00:41:20.420
 So you can hear

00:41:20.420 --> 00:41:21.559
 his whole story,

00:41:22.279 --> 00:41:22.900
 you know,

00:41:23.139 --> 00:41:24.639
 on a YouTube video

00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:25.659
 instead of buying

00:41:25.659 --> 00:41:26.139
 a book.

00:41:27.019 --> 00:41:27.239
 Yeah.

00:41:27.659 --> 00:41:28.659
 And there's a guy

00:41:28.659 --> 00:41:28.799
 Yeah,

00:41:28.860 --> 00:41:29.500
 if you're cheap

00:41:29.500 --> 00:41:30.340
 or if you don't

00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:31.279
 like reading books.

00:41:31.420 --> 00:41:31.639
 Yes.

00:41:31.819 --> 00:41:32.059
 Yeah,

00:41:32.059 --> 00:41:32.319
 sorry,

00:41:32.380 --> 00:41:32.599
 go ahead.

00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:33.920
 So I just suggest

00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:35.039
 that as a resource.

00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:36.079
 And also,

00:41:36.239 --> 00:41:36.360
 yeah.

00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:38.519
 Rosaria Butterfield

00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:39.519
 has wonderful

00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:41.199
 YouTube videos.

00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:41.779
 Yes.

00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:42.779
 So I have a bunch

00:41:42.779 --> 00:41:43.299
 of books here.

00:41:44.860 --> 00:41:45.639
 I mentioned

00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:46.299
 Beckett Cook,

00:41:46.559 --> 00:41:46.819
 Rosaria,

00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:47.299
 I've got

00:41:47.299 --> 00:41:49.420
 Rosaria Butterfield.

00:41:51.019 --> 00:41:52.199
 So she's another

00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:52.799
 example of someone

00:41:52.799 --> 00:41:53.679
 who came to Christ

00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:54.340
 out of a

00:41:54.340 --> 00:41:55.059
 non-Christian

00:41:55.059 --> 00:41:57.099
 LGBT background.

00:41:58.840 --> 00:41:59.699
 Who else?

00:42:00.259 --> 00:42:00.880
 David Bennett,

00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:01.420
 he also has

00:42:01.420 --> 00:42:02.079
 an interesting story.

00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:03.779
 He also came to

00:42:03.779 --> 00:42:05.139
 faith in Jesus

00:42:05.139 --> 00:42:06.579
 as a 19-year-old

00:42:06.579 --> 00:42:07.799
 who was a

00:42:07.799 --> 00:42:08.659
 political activist

00:42:08.659 --> 00:42:10.099
 in the LGBT

00:42:10.099 --> 00:42:10.900
 community.

00:42:11.179 --> 00:42:11.799
 And I think

00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:12.160
 he was in the

00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:12.500
 UK.

00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:16.440
 And what

00:42:16.440 --> 00:42:16.700
 else?

00:42:17.240 --> 00:42:17.960
 So I have

00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:18.280
 some books

00:42:18.280 --> 00:42:19.580
 from last week

00:42:19.580 --> 00:42:20.280
 on transgender

00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:20.820
 if you're

00:42:20.820 --> 00:42:21.340
 interested in

00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:21.700
 these.

00:42:22.019 --> 00:42:22.440
 So if you're

00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:22.820
 interested in

00:42:22.820 --> 00:42:23.320
 borrowing any

00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:23.900
 of these books,

00:42:24.160 --> 00:42:25.260
 I am happy to

00:42:25.260 --> 00:42:25.840
 let you borrow

00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:26.120
 them.

00:42:27.280 --> 00:42:27.960
 These are some

00:42:27.960 --> 00:42:29.019
 on just

00:42:29.019 --> 00:42:30.060
 Washington

00:42:30.060 --> 00:42:30.400
 Waiting with

00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:31.000
 Wesley Hill,

00:42:31.180 --> 00:42:31.840
 Same-Sex Attraction

00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:32.360
 in the Church,

00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:32.900
 Ed Shaw,

00:42:34.380 --> 00:42:34.920
 Christopher Yuan.

00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:36.740
 Christopher Yuan

00:42:36.740 --> 00:42:37.280
 was here eight

00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:38.860
 years ago and

00:42:38.860 --> 00:42:39.420
 spoke at Trinity

00:42:39.420 --> 00:42:40.340
 and other places.

00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:42.559
 So he's a great

00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:43.019
 resource.

00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:44.800
 There's also a good

00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:45.500
 ministry called

00:42:45.500 --> 00:42:46.360
 Harvest USA,

00:42:46.619 --> 00:42:47.119
 and they publish,

00:42:47.240 --> 00:42:47.840
 among other things,

00:42:48.340 --> 00:42:49.200
 some sort of

00:42:49.200 --> 00:42:50.240
 shorter booklets that

00:42:50.240 --> 00:42:51.099
 address topics.

00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:52.659
 So this is

00:42:52.659 --> 00:42:54.480
 sort of your gay

00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.360
 child says,

00:42:55.360 --> 00:42:55.620
 I do.

00:42:55.680 --> 00:42:56.059
 What if you have

00:42:56.059 --> 00:42:57.300
 a child who is

00:42:57.300 --> 00:42:58.660
 getting married,

00:42:58.780 --> 00:42:59.280
 sort of navigating

00:42:59.280 --> 00:42:59.800
 that particular

00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:00.240
 question,

00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:00.820
 can you change

00:43:00.820 --> 00:43:01.260
 if you're gay,

00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:01.940
 homosexuality in

00:43:01.940 --> 00:43:02.300
 the Bible.

00:43:02.680 --> 00:43:03.120
 So these are

00:43:03.120 --> 00:43:03.880
 well-balanced

00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.500
 resources.

00:43:06.539 --> 00:43:07.220
 I wouldn't just

00:43:07.220 --> 00:43:07.860
 say take one of

00:43:07.860 --> 00:43:08.280
 these and give

00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:08.820
 them to somebody.

00:43:09.099 --> 00:43:10.340
 It's more like

00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:11.800
 for equipping

00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:13.360
 Christians and

00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:13.860
 thinking through

00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:14.660
 these things,

00:43:15.140 --> 00:43:16.079
 and for Christians

00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:16.519
 who are asking

00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:17.140
 these questions.

00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:20.780
 So if you want

00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:21.200
 to look at any

00:43:21.200 --> 00:43:21.420
 of these,

00:43:21.500 --> 00:43:21.860
 feel free to

00:43:21.860 --> 00:43:22.079
 ask.

00:43:22.180 --> 00:43:22.380
 Yes,

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:22.700
 Dean.

00:43:23.380 --> 00:43:24.380
 I have a

00:43:24.380 --> 00:43:25.340
 general question

00:43:25.340 --> 00:43:25.720
 question,

00:43:26.079 --> 00:43:26.640
 and that is

00:43:26.640 --> 00:43:27.380
 that we're

00:43:27.380 --> 00:43:27.860
 all sinners.

00:43:28.260 --> 00:43:28.539
 Yes.

00:43:28.740 --> 00:43:29.360
 The Bible

00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:30.059
 looks at sin

00:43:30.059 --> 00:43:30.620
 in a certain

00:43:30.620 --> 00:43:31.000
 way.

00:43:31.160 --> 00:43:31.380
 Yeah.

00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:32.140
 The society

00:43:32.140 --> 00:43:33.200
 looks at sin

00:43:33.200 --> 00:43:33.780
 in a different

00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:34.079
 way.

00:43:34.300 --> 00:43:34.600
 Yes.

00:43:35.240 --> 00:43:38.380
 How often

00:43:38.380 --> 00:43:38.800
 does the

00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:39.079
 Bible

00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:41.680
 first take

00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:42.059
 identity

00:43:42.059 --> 00:43:43.300
 as sin

00:43:43.300 --> 00:43:44.880
 versus,

00:43:45.140 --> 00:43:45.559
 let's say,

00:43:46.120 --> 00:43:47.120
 compared to

00:43:47.120 --> 00:43:47.559
 let's say,

00:43:47.780 --> 00:43:48.700
 adultery or

00:43:48.700 --> 00:43:50.019
 to killing

00:43:50.019 --> 00:43:50.980
 or usury

00:43:50.980 --> 00:43:51.400
 or whatever.

00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:52.039
 Yeah.

00:43:52.059 --> 00:43:52.460
 Versus,

00:43:52.600 --> 00:43:52.860
 let's say,

00:43:52.900 --> 00:43:54.320
 how society

00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:54.760
 can be

00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:54.940
 said.

00:43:55.480 --> 00:43:55.880
 Yeah.

00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:56.559
 Yeah,

00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:56.620
 yeah,

00:43:56.620 --> 00:43:56.760
 yeah.

00:43:57.140 --> 00:43:57.420
 Yeah,

00:43:57.539 --> 00:43:57.780
 so,

00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:58.559
 I mean,

00:43:58.600 --> 00:43:58.780
 there's

00:43:58.780 --> 00:43:59.000
 certainly

00:43:59.000 --> 00:43:59.720
 some sins

00:43:59.720 --> 00:44:00.039
 that are

00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:00.539
 discussed

00:44:00.539 --> 00:44:01.760
 more often

00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:02.100
 in the

00:44:02.100 --> 00:44:02.360
 Bible

00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:03.160
 than sexual

00:44:03.160 --> 00:44:03.460
 sins.

00:44:03.580 --> 00:44:04.000
 So greed

00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:04.600
 is probably,

00:44:04.720 --> 00:44:05.280
 various forms

00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:05.760
 of greed

00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:06.860
 are probably

00:44:06.860 --> 00:44:07.300
 discussed,

00:44:07.380 --> 00:44:07.760
 you can probably

00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:08.220
 find more

00:44:08.220 --> 00:44:08.800
 Bible verses

00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:09.559
 about those.

00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.019
 but there

00:44:11.019 --> 00:44:11.440
 are a lot

00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:11.699
 of Bible

00:44:11.699 --> 00:44:12.279
 verses about

00:44:12.279 --> 00:44:13.259
 sort of

00:44:13.259 --> 00:44:15.400
 God's

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:16.139
 design for

00:44:16.139 --> 00:44:16.759
 male and

00:44:16.759 --> 00:44:17.199
 female in

00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:17.480
 general,

00:44:17.579 --> 00:44:18.219
 for marriage.

00:44:19.820 --> 00:44:20.440
 Adultery is

00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:20.779
 sort of,

00:44:20.980 --> 00:44:21.219
 you know,

00:44:21.259 --> 00:44:21.639
 marriage is

00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:21.980
 sort of,

00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:22.960
 from the

00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:23.519
 beginning in

00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:23.820
 Genesis,

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:24.579
 God's design,

00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:25.219
 and so adultery

00:44:25.219 --> 00:44:25.659
 is sort of

00:44:25.659 --> 00:44:26.000
 like the

00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.779
 paradigmatic

00:44:26.779 --> 00:44:27.519
 sexual sin.

00:44:27.579 --> 00:44:27.779
 In other

00:44:27.779 --> 00:44:27.920
 words,

00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:28.299
 that's sort

00:44:28.299 --> 00:44:29.759
 of like the

00:44:29.759 --> 00:44:31.039
 sexual sin

00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:31.559
 that's discussed

00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:32.699
 most often,

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:33.219
 but it's

00:44:33.219 --> 00:44:33.719
 sort of like,

00:44:33.779 --> 00:44:34.299
 almost like,

00:44:35.119 --> 00:44:36.460
 when the Bible

00:44:36.460 --> 00:44:36.900
 talks about

00:44:36.900 --> 00:44:37.220
 adultery,

00:44:37.300 --> 00:44:37.519
 it's sort

00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:38.940
 of almost

00:44:38.940 --> 00:44:39.519
 pointing to

00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:40.019
 all the other

00:44:40.019 --> 00:44:40.800
 varieties of

00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.639
 sexual sins

00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:45.519
 that are

00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:46.240
 connected with

00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:46.420
 it.

00:44:47.220 --> 00:44:47.240
 So,

00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:49.480
 yes,

00:44:49.740 --> 00:44:50.559
 in terms of

00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.300
 gender identity,

00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:56.099
 I think I'd

00:44:56.099 --> 00:44:56.840
 go back mostly

00:44:56.840 --> 00:44:57.440
 to Genesis

00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:58.200
 about God

00:44:58.200 --> 00:44:58.900
 made us in

00:44:58.900 --> 00:44:59.240
 his image

00:44:59.240 --> 00:44:59.619
 male and

00:44:59.619 --> 00:44:59.860
 female,

00:45:00.139 --> 00:45:00.420
 and sort

00:45:00.420 --> 00:45:00.840
 of Jesus

00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:01.599
 reaffirms

00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:01.940
 that.

00:45:03.059 --> 00:45:03.639
 I think

00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:04.579
 the first

00:45:04.579 --> 00:45:04.840
 thing the

00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:05.139
 Bible is

00:45:05.139 --> 00:45:05.539
 saying is

00:45:05.539 --> 00:45:05.720
 like,

00:45:05.780 --> 00:45:06.079
 that's a

00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:06.720
 good gift

00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:07.219
 from God.

00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:09.159
 And so,

00:45:10.619 --> 00:45:13.319
 there are

00:45:13.319 --> 00:45:13.879
 not as

00:45:13.879 --> 00:45:14.480
 many verses

00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:15.099
 in the

00:45:15.099 --> 00:45:15.539
 Bible that

00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:15.959
 specifically

00:45:15.959 --> 00:45:16.679
 deal with

00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.699
 transgender

00:45:18.699 --> 00:45:19.500
 expressions,

00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:20.059
 partly because

00:45:20.059 --> 00:45:20.399
 they were

00:45:20.399 --> 00:45:21.359
 not very

00:45:21.359 --> 00:45:22.879
 common in

00:45:22.879 --> 00:45:23.199
 the ancient

00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:23.599
 world.

00:45:25.299 --> 00:45:26.659
 And even

00:45:26.659 --> 00:45:27.079
 today,

00:45:27.319 --> 00:45:27.639
 even though

00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:28.039
 they may be

00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:28.539
 more common,

00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:28.980
 they're still,

00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:29.399
 you know,

00:45:29.799 --> 00:45:30.059
 like,

00:45:31.879 --> 00:45:32.159
 you know,

00:45:32.399 --> 00:45:32.959
 that's why

00:45:32.959 --> 00:45:33.539
 we don't

00:45:33.539 --> 00:45:33.919
 preach on

00:45:33.919 --> 00:45:34.299
 this topic

00:45:34.299 --> 00:45:34.839
 every Sunday.

00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:35.679
 Right?

00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:37.059
 You know,

00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:37.419
 we don't

00:45:37.419 --> 00:45:38.460
 have a

00:45:38.460 --> 00:45:39.440
 long Sunday

00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:39.940
 school class

00:45:39.940 --> 00:45:40.339
 on this

00:45:40.339 --> 00:45:41.059
 every single

00:45:41.059 --> 00:45:41.379
 year.

00:45:41.779 --> 00:45:42.039
 Right?

00:45:42.099 --> 00:45:42.480
 Because we're

00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:42.859
 trying to,

00:45:43.019 --> 00:45:43.759
 as a church,

00:45:43.839 --> 00:45:44.219
 we want to

00:45:44.219 --> 00:45:44.919
 sort of see

00:45:44.919 --> 00:45:45.199
 the whole

00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:45.940
 picture and

00:45:45.940 --> 00:45:46.339
 have a

00:45:46.339 --> 00:45:46.539
 biblical

00:45:46.539 --> 00:45:47.879
 balance of

00:45:47.879 --> 00:45:49.019
 the topics

00:45:49.019 --> 00:45:49.539
 we address.

00:45:49.619 --> 00:45:49.879
 So we

00:45:49.879 --> 00:45:50.359
 wanted to

00:45:50.359 --> 00:45:51.199
 do this

00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:51.519
 as sort

00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:51.699
 of a

00:45:51.699 --> 00:45:51.839
 more

00:45:51.839 --> 00:45:52.219
 in-depth

00:45:52.219 --> 00:45:52.699
 class

00:45:52.699 --> 00:45:54.519
 because I

00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:54.839
 think there's

00:45:54.839 --> 00:45:55.319
 a danger

00:45:55.319 --> 00:45:55.960
 in sort

00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:56.699
 of very

00:45:56.699 --> 00:45:57.279
 briefly

00:45:57.279 --> 00:45:57.859
 addressing

00:45:57.859 --> 00:45:59.019
 issues like

00:45:59.019 --> 00:45:59.419
 these.

00:45:59.420 --> 00:46:00.000
 And so

00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:00.300
 we try

00:46:00.300 --> 00:46:00.700
 not to

00:46:00.700 --> 00:46:01.960
 make side

00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:02.480
 comments

00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:03.240
 about

00:46:03.240 --> 00:46:05.159
 homosexuality

00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:05.659
 or transgender

00:46:05.659 --> 00:46:06.200
 identity

00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:07.639
 that might

00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:07.980
 not be

00:46:07.980 --> 00:46:08.300
 helpful.

00:46:08.659 --> 00:46:08.740
 Right?

00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:09.159
 Because it

00:46:09.159 --> 00:46:09.420
 isn't,

00:46:09.500 --> 00:46:09.840
 it's like,

00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:10.019
 well,

00:46:10.099 --> 00:46:10.420
 why did he

00:46:10.420 --> 00:46:10.760
 make that

00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:11.300
 side comment?

00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:11.639
 Is he

00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:12.400
 just trying

00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:12.619
 to be

00:46:12.619 --> 00:46:12.920
 offensive?

00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:13.280
 Is he

00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:13.659
 just trying

00:46:13.659 --> 00:46:14.200
 to score

00:46:14.200 --> 00:46:14.639
 points with

00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:14.900
 somebody?

00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:15.420
 You know,

00:46:15.720 --> 00:46:16.240
 we want

00:46:16.240 --> 00:46:17.639
 to actually

00:46:17.639 --> 00:46:18.139
 see what

00:46:18.139 --> 00:46:18.400
 does the

00:46:18.400 --> 00:46:18.579
 Bible

00:46:18.579 --> 00:46:19.200
 actually say

00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:19.780
 about this

00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:20.360
 and sort

00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:20.639
 of take

00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:20.840
 a more

00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:21.280
 in-depth

00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:21.599
 and a

00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:21.740
 more

00:46:21.740 --> 00:46:22.240
 comprehensive

00:46:22.240 --> 00:46:22.639
 approach

00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:22.920
 so we're

00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:23.320
 not just

00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:23.940
 singling out

00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:25.740
 one issue.

00:46:25.860 --> 00:46:26.280
 So that's

00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:27.340
 the idea

00:46:27.340 --> 00:46:27.900
 behind how

00:46:27.900 --> 00:46:28.500
 this class

00:46:28.500 --> 00:46:28.780
 was put

00:46:28.780 --> 00:46:29.060
 together.

00:46:29.200 --> 00:46:29.580
 But yes,

00:46:29.720 --> 00:46:29.920
 Dean,

00:46:30.060 --> 00:46:30.560
 I appreciate

00:46:30.560 --> 00:46:31.720
 that comment.

00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:32.340
 And so we

00:46:32.340 --> 00:46:32.680
 want to

00:46:32.680 --> 00:46:33.180
 sort of,

00:46:33.560 --> 00:46:34.100
 as a church,

00:46:34.200 --> 00:46:34.500
 we want to

00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:35.420
 be growing

00:46:35.420 --> 00:46:35.800
 into the

00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:36.120
 image of

00:46:36.120 --> 00:46:37.060
 Christ in

00:46:37.060 --> 00:46:37.700
 every way

00:46:37.700 --> 00:46:38.460
 that God

00:46:38.460 --> 00:46:38.760
 has called

00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:39.060
 us to.

00:46:43.860 --> 00:46:44.260
 Tyler.

00:46:44.260 --> 00:46:45.360
 A general

00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:45.880
 question.

00:46:47.260 --> 00:46:50.360
 How do you

00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:51.400
 navigate

00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:52.560
 between

00:46:52.560 --> 00:46:54.540
 faithfulness,

00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:55.480
 will cause

00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:56.120
 and offense

00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:57.279
 to a world

00:46:57.279 --> 00:46:57.639
 that's

00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:58.119
 rebellious

00:46:58.119 --> 00:46:58.420
 against

00:46:58.420 --> 00:46:58.839
 God

00:46:58.839 --> 00:47:00.299
 versus

00:47:00.299 --> 00:47:02.519
 what we

00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:02.739
 are talking

00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:03.219
 about today

00:47:03.219 --> 00:47:03.579
 where

00:47:03.579 --> 00:47:06.299
 we don't

00:47:06.299 --> 00:47:06.599
 want to

00:47:06.599 --> 00:47:06.819
 cause

00:47:06.819 --> 00:47:07.460
 unnecessary

00:47:07.460 --> 00:47:07.940
 offense,

00:47:08.059 --> 00:47:08.460
 especially

00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:09.259
 in the LGBT

00:47:09.259 --> 00:47:10.679
 conversation.

00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:12.500
 A loving

00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:13.279
 thing is to

00:47:13.279 --> 00:47:13.759
 have some

00:47:13.759 --> 00:47:14.299
 repentance

00:47:14.299 --> 00:47:15.500
 of a sin

00:47:15.500 --> 00:47:16.339
 that grieves

00:47:16.339 --> 00:47:16.699
 God,

00:47:16.779 --> 00:47:17.159
 but at the

00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:17.519
 same time

00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:17.839
 we don't

00:47:17.839 --> 00:47:18.259
 want to

00:47:18.259 --> 00:47:19.119
 be unnecessarily

00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:19.420
 offended.

00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:20.480
 Yeah.

00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:21.420
 How do you

00:47:21.420 --> 00:47:21.880
 navigate

00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:22.819
 trying to

00:47:22.819 --> 00:47:23.259
 be faithful

00:47:23.259 --> 00:47:23.759
 which may

00:47:23.759 --> 00:47:24.000
 cause

00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:24.420
 offense

00:47:24.420 --> 00:47:24.839
 versus

00:47:24.839 --> 00:47:25.639
 I don't

00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:26.199
 want to

00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:26.940
 offend you

00:47:26.940 --> 00:47:27.359
 right now.

00:47:27.659 --> 00:47:27.940
 Right.

00:47:28.379 --> 00:47:28.659
 Right.

00:47:28.819 --> 00:47:29.500
 So just

00:47:29.500 --> 00:47:30.119
 because you

00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:30.980
 offend somebody

00:47:30.980 --> 00:47:31.539
 does not

00:47:31.539 --> 00:47:32.099
 necessarily

00:47:32.099 --> 00:47:32.879
 mean that

00:47:32.879 --> 00:47:33.900
 you have

00:47:33.900 --> 00:47:34.539
 been unfaithful

00:47:34.539 --> 00:47:35.079
 to Christ

00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:36.000
 and it

00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:36.440
 also doesn't

00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:36.719
 necessarily

00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:37.099
 mean that

00:47:37.099 --> 00:47:37.440
 you are

00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:37.920
 being faithful

00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:38.319
 to Christ

00:47:38.319 --> 00:47:38.839
 by offending

00:47:38.839 --> 00:47:39.079
 them.

00:47:40.659 --> 00:47:42.019
 So again,

00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:42.980
 I think in

00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:43.400
 general,

00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:43.739
 you know,

00:47:43.779 --> 00:47:44.420
 Paul says

00:47:44.420 --> 00:47:48.319
 I'm becoming

00:47:48.319 --> 00:47:48.799
 all things

00:47:48.799 --> 00:47:49.480
 to all people.

00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:51.579
 That's a verse

00:47:51.579 --> 00:47:51.940
 that can be

00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:52.379
 taken out of

00:47:52.379 --> 00:47:52.759
 context.

00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:53.579
 There's a context

00:47:53.579 --> 00:47:53.880
 to that.

00:47:54.139 --> 00:47:54.679
 But basically

00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:55.059
 what Paul

00:47:55.059 --> 00:47:55.360
 is saying

00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:55.699
 is I

00:47:55.699 --> 00:47:56.219
 don't want

00:47:56.219 --> 00:47:56.599
 to cause

00:47:56.599 --> 00:47:57.259
 unnecessary

00:47:57.259 --> 00:47:58.079
 offense apart

00:47:58.079 --> 00:47:59.119
 from the

00:47:59.119 --> 00:47:59.799
 truth of the

00:47:59.799 --> 00:48:00.659
 gospel and

00:48:00.659 --> 00:48:01.239
 the implications

00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:01.599
 of the

00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:01.940
 gospel.

00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:03.119
 So,

00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:04.139
 yes,

00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:04.819
 like,

00:48:05.319 --> 00:48:06.079
 you know,

00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:06.480
 the gospel

00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:06.960
 says we are

00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:07.460
 all sinners

00:48:07.460 --> 00:48:08.340
 and honestly

00:48:08.340 --> 00:48:09.199
 that offends

00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:10.500
 every human

00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:11.299
 being's pride.

00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:12.739
 Like,

00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:14.319
 and to say

00:48:14.319 --> 00:48:14.699
 yes,

00:48:14.819 --> 00:48:15.119
 the Bible

00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:15.639
 does say

00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:16.019
 that this

00:48:16.019 --> 00:48:16.619
 is a sin

00:48:16.619 --> 00:48:17.699
 among many

00:48:17.699 --> 00:48:18.440
 other things.

00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.659
 sometimes

00:48:20.659 --> 00:48:22.240
 somebody will

00:48:22.240 --> 00:48:22.780
 walk away

00:48:22.780 --> 00:48:23.200
 and not

00:48:23.200 --> 00:48:23.380
 want to

00:48:23.380 --> 00:48:23.720
 have anything

00:48:23.720 --> 00:48:24.000
 to do

00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:24.220
 with you

00:48:24.220 --> 00:48:24.460
 again.

00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:25.539
 And that

00:48:25.539 --> 00:48:26.559
 may be a

00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:26.880
 cost.

00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:28.940
 And I

00:48:28.940 --> 00:48:29.500
 think that's

00:48:29.500 --> 00:48:32.500
 true.

00:48:32.720 --> 00:48:32.920
 And I

00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:33.260
 think the

00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:33.780
 question in

00:48:33.780 --> 00:48:34.240
 that case

00:48:34.240 --> 00:48:35.659
 is how

00:48:35.659 --> 00:48:36.460
 do you

00:48:36.460 --> 00:48:37.740
 sort of

00:48:37.740 --> 00:48:38.639
 continue to

00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:39.139
 be open

00:48:39.139 --> 00:48:39.480
 to a

00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:39.880
 relationship

00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:40.340
 with somebody,

00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:40.860
 continue to

00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:41.340
 pray for

00:48:41.340 --> 00:48:41.740
 someone,

00:48:42.200 --> 00:48:42.659
 perhaps,

00:48:43.099 --> 00:48:43.559
 even if

00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.760
 they slander

00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:47.240
 you or

00:48:47.240 --> 00:48:47.840
 attack you

00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:48.240
 or want

00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:48.460
 to cut

00:48:48.460 --> 00:48:48.700
 off a

00:48:48.700 --> 00:48:48.940
 relationship

00:48:48.940 --> 00:48:49.400
 with you

00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:49.680
 in the

00:48:49.680 --> 00:48:50.240
 worst case

00:48:50.240 --> 00:48:51.380
 or just

00:48:51.380 --> 00:48:51.660
 distance

00:48:51.660 --> 00:48:51.920
 themselves

00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:52.440
 from you

00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:54.360
 or sort

00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:55.240
 of feel

00:48:55.240 --> 00:48:55.560
 like they

00:48:55.560 --> 00:48:55.880
 were offended

00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:56.440
 by you.

00:48:56.900 --> 00:48:57.060
 So,

00:48:57.600 --> 00:48:57.960
 I mean,

00:48:58.360 --> 00:48:59.880
 yes,

00:48:59.940 --> 00:49:00.380
 I've had

00:49:00.380 --> 00:49:00.920
 plenty of

00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:01.440
 cases where

00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:01.920
 people have

00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:02.320
 been offended

00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:02.940
 because I've

00:49:02.940 --> 00:49:03.460
 confronted them

00:49:03.460 --> 00:49:03.780
 about a

00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:03.960
 sin.

00:49:06.040 --> 00:49:06.320
 And,

00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:07.660
 you know,

00:49:07.720 --> 00:49:08.600
 if you've

00:49:08.600 --> 00:49:08.900
 never been

00:49:08.900 --> 00:49:09.220
 there,

00:49:10.560 --> 00:49:11.940
 then probably

00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:12.360
 if you're,

00:49:12.620 --> 00:49:13.340
 you know,

00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:13.720
 again,

00:49:13.820 --> 00:49:15.500
 I think our

00:49:15.500 --> 00:49:16.280
 responsibility to

00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:16.680
 one another

00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:17.139
 within the

00:49:17.139 --> 00:49:17.480
 body of

00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:18.699
 Christ is

00:49:18.699 --> 00:49:19.359
 if we see

00:49:19.359 --> 00:49:20.039
 each other

00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:20.940
 sort of

00:49:20.940 --> 00:49:22.539
 walking in a

00:49:22.539 --> 00:49:23.199
 habitual pattern

00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:23.799
 of sin that

00:49:23.799 --> 00:49:24.639
 dishonors God

00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.679
 and doesn't

00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:27.379
 live up to

00:49:27.379 --> 00:49:28.419
 sort of our

00:49:28.419 --> 00:49:29.019
 profession of

00:49:29.019 --> 00:49:29.319
 faith,

00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:30.359
 the loving

00:49:30.359 --> 00:49:31.559
 thing is to

00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:32.359
 confront each

00:49:32.359 --> 00:49:32.599
 other.

00:49:33.159 --> 00:49:33.339
 Now,

00:49:33.359 --> 00:49:33.739
 I don't think

00:49:33.739 --> 00:49:34.259
 the same thing

00:49:34.259 --> 00:49:34.919
 is you have

00:49:34.919 --> 00:49:35.259
 to go and

00:49:35.259 --> 00:49:35.899
 confront somebody

00:49:35.899 --> 00:49:36.539
 who is not

00:49:36.539 --> 00:49:36.919
 a Christian

00:49:36.919 --> 00:49:37.759
 because they

00:49:37.759 --> 00:49:38.059
 don't share

00:49:38.059 --> 00:49:38.460
 that same

00:49:38.460 --> 00:49:38.839
 framework,

00:49:38.980 --> 00:49:39.099
 right?

00:49:39.099 --> 00:49:39.339
 They don't

00:49:39.339 --> 00:49:39.679
 share that

00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:40.119
 same loyalty

00:49:40.119 --> 00:49:40.500
 to Christ.

00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:40.739
 You don't

00:49:40.739 --> 00:49:41.500
 expect a

00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:41.919
 non-Christian

00:49:41.919 --> 00:49:42.399
 to just start

00:49:42.399 --> 00:49:42.899
 living like a

00:49:42.899 --> 00:49:43.139
 Christian.

00:49:43.879 --> 00:49:44.139
 So,

00:49:44.539 --> 00:49:44.859
 you know,

00:49:44.940 --> 00:49:45.259
 there's not

00:49:45.259 --> 00:49:45.739
 the same

00:49:45.739 --> 00:49:46.879
 sort of

00:49:46.879 --> 00:49:47.439
 command there.

00:49:49.539 --> 00:49:50.019
 But,

00:49:50.179 --> 00:49:50.419
 yes?

00:49:52.659 --> 00:49:53.099
 Stephanie?

00:49:53.099 --> 00:50:05.539
 Yeah,

00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:06.400
 yeah,

00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:06.659
 yeah,

00:50:06.659 --> 00:50:06.960
 right.

00:50:08.000 --> 00:50:08.559
 That's a

00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:09.199
 great question.

00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:10.719
 And I,

00:50:11.139 --> 00:50:11.719
 the question

00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:12.219
 is how should

00:50:12.219 --> 00:50:12.799
 Christians think

00:50:12.799 --> 00:50:13.159
 about what

00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:13.799
 policies they

00:50:13.799 --> 00:50:14.339
 should support?

00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:15.019
 For example,

00:50:15.619 --> 00:50:16.480
 whether insurance

00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:17.119
 should reimburse

00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:17.940
 gender-affirming

00:50:17.940 --> 00:50:18.380
 surgery.

00:50:18.380 --> 00:50:20.240
 So,

00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:21.000
 I think,

00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:22.900
 I think that

00:50:22.900 --> 00:50:23.519
 book by

00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:24.099
 John Inazio,

00:50:24.220 --> 00:50:24.500
 Confident

00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:24.940
 Pluralism,

00:50:24.980 --> 00:50:25.260
 is a good

00:50:25.260 --> 00:50:25.700
 place to

00:50:25.700 --> 00:50:26.160
 start because

00:50:26.160 --> 00:50:26.440
 he deals

00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:26.680
 with some

00:50:26.680 --> 00:50:27.140
 very specific

00:50:27.140 --> 00:50:27.740
 examples,

00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:29.200
 not including

00:50:29.200 --> 00:50:29.500
 surgery,

00:50:29.599 --> 00:50:30.059
 but including

00:50:30.059 --> 00:50:31.079
 some transgender

00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:32.099
 rights cases.

00:50:33.340 --> 00:50:33.740
 So,

00:50:33.860 --> 00:50:34.500
 I think as

00:50:34.500 --> 00:50:34.900
 Christians we

00:50:34.900 --> 00:50:35.200
 need to think

00:50:35.200 --> 00:50:36.119
 about sort

00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:36.820
 of the common

00:50:36.820 --> 00:50:37.360
 good.

00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:37.900
 I do think

00:50:37.900 --> 00:50:38.160
 we need,

00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:38.619
 I mean,

00:50:38.660 --> 00:50:39.180
 I do think

00:50:39.180 --> 00:50:40.400
 there are

00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:40.900
 some people

00:50:40.900 --> 00:50:41.760
 who want

00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:42.200
 to say

00:50:42.200 --> 00:50:42.840
 that,

00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:45.519
 who want

00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:46.059
 to classify

00:50:46.059 --> 00:50:46.700
 all,

00:50:46.699 --> 00:50:47.899
 there are

00:50:47.899 --> 00:50:48.179
 some people

00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:48.419
 who would

00:50:48.419 --> 00:50:48.659
 want to

00:50:48.659 --> 00:50:49.059
 classify,

00:50:49.259 --> 00:50:49.519
 honestly,

00:50:49.619 --> 00:50:49.839
 some of

00:50:49.839 --> 00:50:50.059
 the things

00:50:50.059 --> 00:50:50.399
 I've said

00:50:50.399 --> 00:50:50.679
 in this

00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:51.179
 class,

00:50:51.819 --> 00:50:53.019
 as

00:50:53.019 --> 00:50:54.079
 discriminatory

00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:55.939
 hate speech.

00:50:57.539 --> 00:50:57.779
 I think

00:50:57.779 --> 00:50:57.919
 that's,

00:50:58.139 --> 00:50:59.419
 so,

00:50:59.819 --> 00:50:59.919
 and,

00:50:59.919 --> 00:51:00.259
 and,

00:51:00.460 --> 00:51:01.439
 and have

00:51:01.439 --> 00:51:02.139
 legal penalties

00:51:02.139 --> 00:51:02.739
 for that.

00:51:02.839 --> 00:51:03.159
 I think

00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:03.480
 that's a

00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:04.179
 genuine concern.

00:51:05.279 --> 00:51:05.919
 And I think

00:51:05.919 --> 00:51:06.159
 that's a

00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:06.659
 genuine concern

00:51:06.659 --> 00:51:07.179
 for all,

00:51:07.339 --> 00:51:07.460
 like,

00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:07.739
 honestly,

00:51:07.839 --> 00:51:08.159
 that Christians

00:51:08.159 --> 00:51:08.480
 should have

00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:08.980
 for religious

00:51:08.980 --> 00:51:09.500
 freedom for

00:51:09.500 --> 00:51:10.019
 all people.

00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:11.779
 You know,

00:51:11.799 --> 00:51:12.259
 there's many

00:51:12.259 --> 00:51:13.000
 Jews and

00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:13.719
 Muslims that

00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:14.960
 have,

00:51:15.299 --> 00:51:16.239
 take sort

00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:16.500
 of,

00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:17.239
 conservative

00:51:17.239 --> 00:51:17.860
 or traditional

00:51:17.860 --> 00:51:18.460
 stances on

00:51:18.460 --> 00:51:18.980
 these matters.

00:51:20.659 --> 00:51:21.000
 And,

00:51:21.480 --> 00:51:21.920
 you know,

00:51:22.139 --> 00:51:22.900
 should,

00:51:23.920 --> 00:51:24.900
 I think

00:51:24.900 --> 00:51:25.219
 the bigger

00:51:25.219 --> 00:51:26.019
 picture that

00:51:26.019 --> 00:51:26.500
 Christians can

00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:27.059
 advocate is

00:51:27.059 --> 00:51:27.679
 how can we

00:51:27.679 --> 00:51:29.280
 seek the

00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:29.960
 common good

00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:31.119
 while acknowledging

00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.300
 that we don't

00:51:32.300 --> 00:51:33.340
 agree on many

00:51:33.340 --> 00:51:34.079
 fundamental things

00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:34.519
 in life.

00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:36.079
 So maybe

00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:36.579
 that's sort

00:51:36.579 --> 00:51:37.059
 of a

00:51:37.059 --> 00:51:38.579
 bigger framework

00:51:38.579 --> 00:51:38.920
 for how

00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:39.340
 Christians can

00:51:39.340 --> 00:51:39.719
 think about

00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:40.059
 contributing

00:51:40.059 --> 00:51:40.739
 positively to

00:51:40.739 --> 00:51:41.179
 society.

00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:43.059
 You know,

00:51:43.179 --> 00:51:44.719
 tolerance in

00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:45.239
 the Christian

00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:45.900
 view doesn't

00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:48.180
 mean approving

00:51:48.180 --> 00:51:49.119
 everything that

00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:49.760
 everyone else

00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:50.440
 stands for,

00:51:50.639 --> 00:51:51.220
 but it does

00:51:51.220 --> 00:51:51.820
 mean honoring

00:51:51.820 --> 00:51:52.539
 people as

00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:52.980
 being made

00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:53.380
 in God's

00:51:53.380 --> 00:51:53.760
 image.

00:51:54.380 --> 00:51:54.500
 So,

00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:57.019
 I'm not

00:51:57.019 --> 00:51:57.400
 answering your

00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:58.000
 question directly,

00:51:58.240 --> 00:51:58.880
 but I'm not

00:51:58.880 --> 00:51:59.420
 sure I,

00:51:59.420 --> 00:51:59.619
 I,

00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:00.860
 it's,

00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:01.220
 it's,

00:52:01.340 --> 00:52:02.260
 it's a good

00:52:02.260 --> 00:52:02.599
 further

00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:03.139
 conversation.

00:52:03.820 --> 00:52:04.079
 All right,

00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:04.440
 one more

00:52:04.440 --> 00:52:04.720
 question.

00:52:04.780 --> 00:52:05.059
 Don Young.

00:52:05.059 --> 00:52:06.400
 Um,

00:52:07.159 --> 00:52:08.079
 my parents are

00:52:08.079 --> 00:52:08.619
 not Christians

00:52:08.619 --> 00:52:09.799
 and they

00:52:09.799 --> 00:52:10.320
 don't tend

00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:10.880
 to think

00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.699
 about LGBTQ

00:52:12.699 --> 00:52:13.299
 event by

00:52:13.299 --> 00:52:13.799
 people or

00:52:13.799 --> 00:52:14.940
 like these

00:52:14.940 --> 00:52:15.579
 things as

00:52:15.579 --> 00:52:16.579
 sinning or

00:52:16.579 --> 00:52:17.480
 like having

00:52:17.480 --> 00:52:17.940
 a sin.

00:52:18.619 --> 00:52:18.960
 Um,

00:52:19.059 --> 00:52:19.440
 and my

00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:20.179
 sister always

00:52:20.179 --> 00:52:20.719
 took him out

00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:21.279
 as lesbian

00:52:21.279 --> 00:52:22.159
 in China,

00:52:22.579 --> 00:52:22.860
 parents are

00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:23.360
 from China,

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:24.519
 um,

00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:25.079
 like a decade

00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:25.440
 ago.

00:52:26.019 --> 00:52:26.480
 Um,

00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:27.360
 and they

00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:27.759
 tend to

00:52:27.759 --> 00:52:28.360
 reason,

00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:29.579
 reason this

00:52:29.579 --> 00:52:30.239
 throughout,

00:52:30.619 --> 00:52:31.139
 through a very

00:52:31.139 --> 00:52:32.079
 independent lens

00:52:32.079 --> 00:52:33.239
 because they

00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:33.579
 are not

00:52:33.579 --> 00:52:34.159
 influenced by

00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:34.599
 the Christian

00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:35.319
 culture.

00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:35.840
 Yep.

00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:36.380
 And I think

00:52:36.380 --> 00:52:36.940
 as,

00:52:37.380 --> 00:52:37.840
 so I have

00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:38.279
 a daughter

00:52:38.279 --> 00:52:39.159
 who is

00:52:39.159 --> 00:52:40.259
 infertile,

00:52:40.659 --> 00:52:41.219
 who is having

00:52:41.219 --> 00:52:41.579
 sort of

00:52:41.579 --> 00:52:42.159
 disability,

00:52:43.179 --> 00:52:44.539
 and so that

00:52:44.539 --> 00:52:45.039
 gives them

00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.400
 the reason to

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:46.860
 love them

00:52:46.860 --> 00:52:47.199
 further.

00:52:47.579 --> 00:52:47.819
 Um,

00:52:47.819 --> 00:52:48.319
 so like I

00:52:48.319 --> 00:52:48.559
 have a

00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:49.319
 disabled kid

00:52:49.319 --> 00:52:50.579
 and I just

00:52:50.579 --> 00:52:51.079
 want to extend

00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:51.639
 my love,

00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:52.519
 like regardless.

00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:53.400
 Um,

00:52:53.659 --> 00:52:54.340
 that's a really

00:52:54.340 --> 00:52:55.299
 cool interpretation,

00:52:55.759 --> 00:52:56.460
 like understanding

00:52:56.460 --> 00:52:57.319
 of my sister.

00:52:58.179 --> 00:52:58.559
 Um,

00:52:59.139 --> 00:52:59.719
 and I don't,

00:52:59.920 --> 00:53:00.279
 I'm certain,

00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:01.239
 and I am this

00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:01.940
 person who,

00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:02.500
 who came to

00:53:02.500 --> 00:53:02.880
 Christ five

00:53:02.880 --> 00:53:03.380
 years ago,

00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:04.340
 and trying to

00:53:04.340 --> 00:53:05.279
 like sort of

00:53:05.279 --> 00:53:06.299
 present my ideas

00:53:06.299 --> 00:53:06.940
 through a Christian

00:53:06.940 --> 00:53:07.360
 lens,

00:53:07.799 --> 00:53:08.940
 which could be

00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:10.340
 challenging,

00:53:10.779 --> 00:53:11.519
 um,

00:53:11.579 --> 00:53:12.440
 and sort of

00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:13.759
 overturning their

00:53:13.759 --> 00:53:14.059
 ideas.

00:53:14.139 --> 00:53:14.639
 I don't want to,

00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:15.960
 yeah,

00:53:16.059 --> 00:53:16.400
 but anyways,

00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:17.980
 I thought their,

00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:19.460
 their way of

00:53:19.460 --> 00:53:20.179
 thinking of this

00:53:20.179 --> 00:53:21.400
 is actually good

00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:21.860
 as well.

00:53:22.219 --> 00:53:22.480
 Um,

00:53:22.719 --> 00:53:23.279
 at least that

00:53:23.279 --> 00:53:24.159
 make them feel

00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:25.980
 like easy to go

00:53:25.980 --> 00:53:26.340
 by in their

00:53:26.340 --> 00:53:26.940
 hearts and how

00:53:26.940 --> 00:53:27.940
 to love their

00:53:27.940 --> 00:53:28.239
 daughter.

00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:29.159
 Yeah,

00:53:29.299 --> 00:53:29.840
 so they sort

00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:30.219
 of see,

00:53:30.980 --> 00:53:31.279
 uh,

00:53:31.299 --> 00:53:31.699
 they're sort of

00:53:31.699 --> 00:53:32.059
 seeing it through

00:53:32.059 --> 00:53:32.199
 the,

00:53:32.279 --> 00:53:32.639
 we talked

00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:33.079
 last week

00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:33.419
 about the,

00:53:33.500 --> 00:53:33.739
 sort of a

00:53:33.739 --> 00:53:34.099
 disability

00:53:34.099 --> 00:53:34.919
 framework for

00:53:34.919 --> 00:53:35.439
 seeing,

00:53:35.439 --> 00:53:35.899
 uh,

00:53:35.899 --> 00:53:36.359
 things sort

00:53:36.359 --> 00:53:36.480
 of,

00:53:36.799 --> 00:53:37.199
 so they

00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:37.599
 see,

00:53:37.659 --> 00:53:38.059
 uh,

00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:39.519
 your sisters,

00:53:39.939 --> 00:53:40.239
 um,

00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:40.779
 uh,

00:53:40.779 --> 00:53:41.039
 being a

00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:41.559
 lesbian as

00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:42.500
 she's sort

00:53:42.500 --> 00:53:42.599
 of,

00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:42.839
 uh,

00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:44.399
 uh,

00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:45.079
 a condition

00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:45.319
 that,

00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:46.759
 that should,

00:53:46.839 --> 00:53:47.359
 uh,

00:53:47.359 --> 00:53:47.899
 lead them to be

00:53:47.899 --> 00:53:48.519
 compassionate and

00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:49.039
 loving to her,

00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:49.480
 right?

00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:49.899
 And I think,

00:53:50.059 --> 00:53:50.779
 I think at that

00:53:50.779 --> 00:53:51.279
 level Christians

00:53:51.279 --> 00:53:51.460
 can,

00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:51.759
 can,

00:53:51.759 --> 00:53:52.639
 can agree.

00:53:52.799 --> 00:53:53.019
 Yes,

00:53:53.019 --> 00:53:53.419
 we should be

00:53:53.419 --> 00:53:54.039
 compassionate and

00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:54.359
 loving to

00:53:54.359 --> 00:53:54.539
 people.

00:53:54.659 --> 00:53:55.000
 We all,

00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:55.699
 like,

00:53:55.699 --> 00:53:56.460
 uh,

00:53:57.019 --> 00:53:57.779
 struggle in

00:53:57.779 --> 00:53:58.439
 this world

00:53:58.439 --> 00:53:59.399
 with many

00:53:59.399 --> 00:54:00.139
 burdens,

00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:01.059
 um,

00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:02.079
 and many

00:54:02.079 --> 00:54:02.919
 difficult

00:54:02.919 --> 00:54:03.419
 challenges.

00:54:04.019 --> 00:54:04.460
 So,

00:54:04.879 --> 00:54:05.259
 so I think,

00:54:05.339 --> 00:54:05.939
 I think,

00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:06.239
 yeah,

00:54:06.339 --> 00:54:06.919
 I think in

00:54:06.919 --> 00:54:07.439
 this case,

00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:07.759
 I,

00:54:07.859 --> 00:54:08.739
 I think I

00:54:08.739 --> 00:54:08.939
 would,

00:54:09.099 --> 00:54:09.519
 you know,

00:54:09.579 --> 00:54:09.719
 I,

00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:10.119
 I think I

00:54:10.119 --> 00:54:10.539
 would encourage

00:54:10.539 --> 00:54:11.919
 you to

00:54:11.919 --> 00:54:12.879
 talk about,

00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:13.659
 I mean,

00:54:13.659 --> 00:54:14.019
 I think the

00:54:14.019 --> 00:54:14.399
 first thing you

00:54:14.399 --> 00:54:14.559
 want to

00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:15.119
 communicate is,

00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:15.299
 like,

00:54:15.299 --> 00:54:15.599
 the bigger

00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.179
 picture of

00:54:16.179 --> 00:54:16.839
 Christianity

00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:16.960
 Christianity

00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:17.860
 and what,

00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:18.460
 and who

00:54:18.460 --> 00:54:19.100
 God is,

00:54:19.460 --> 00:54:20.160
 who people

00:54:20.160 --> 00:54:20.519
 are,

00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:21.220
 who Christ

00:54:21.220 --> 00:54:21.579
 is,

00:54:22.200 --> 00:54:22.579
 um,

00:54:22.700 --> 00:54:23.320
 I think only

00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:23.640
 when,

00:54:23.980 --> 00:54:24.640
 when they sort

00:54:24.640 --> 00:54:25.039
 of understand

00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:25.340
 the bigger

00:54:25.340 --> 00:54:25.760
 message of

00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:26.160
 Christianity

00:54:26.160 --> 00:54:27.160
 would it make

00:54:27.160 --> 00:54:27.539
 sense to

00:54:27.539 --> 00:54:28.039
 sort of have,

00:54:29.340 --> 00:54:30.180
 you know,

00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:30.400
 I,

00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:30.559
 I,

00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:30.880
 I think

00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:31.660
 understanding

00:54:31.660 --> 00:54:31.940
 the Christian

00:54:31.940 --> 00:54:32.280
 view on

00:54:32.280 --> 00:54:32.680
 this issue

00:54:32.680 --> 00:54:33.039
 will only

00:54:33.039 --> 00:54:33.460
 make sense

00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:33.740
 in light

00:54:33.740 --> 00:54:34.039
 of the

00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:34.260
 bigger

00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:35.600
 story of

00:54:35.600 --> 00:54:36.000
 Christianity.

00:54:37.120 --> 00:54:37.300
 Is that,

00:54:38.340 --> 00:54:38.740
 um,

00:54:38.820 --> 00:54:39.500
 all right,

00:54:39.539 --> 00:54:39.960
 let's pray,

00:54:40.579 --> 00:54:40.960
 uh,

00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:41.360
 and I know we

00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:41.680
 ran a little

00:54:41.680 --> 00:54:41.940
 late,

00:54:42.100 --> 00:54:43.059
 so let's head

00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:43.500
 upstairs for

00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:43.960
 service after

00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:44.140
 this.

00:54:44.200 --> 00:54:44.300
 Lord,

00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:44.760
 thank you for

00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:45.160
 this time.

00:54:45.260 --> 00:54:45.579
 We pray that

00:54:45.579 --> 00:54:46.380
 you would give

00:54:46.380 --> 00:54:46.640
 us your

00:54:46.640 --> 00:54:46.980
 wisdom,

00:54:47.460 --> 00:54:47.820
 uh,

00:54:47.940 --> 00:54:48.340
 and,

00:54:48.420 --> 00:54:48.599
 uh,

00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:49.039
 fill us,

00:54:49.180 --> 00:54:49.300
 Lord,

00:54:49.380 --> 00:54:49.619
 with,

00:54:50.160 --> 00:54:50.340
 uh,

00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:50.519
 the,

00:54:50.700 --> 00:54:51.140
 the love

00:54:51.140 --> 00:54:51.660
 of Christ,

00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:52.140
 uh,

00:54:52.140 --> 00:54:52.660
 that would

00:54:52.660 --> 00:54:53.019
 lead us

00:54:53.019 --> 00:54:53.440
 to extend

00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:54.039
 hospitality.

00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:54.940
 Uh,

00:54:54.940 --> 00:54:55.340
 we pray that

00:54:55.340 --> 00:54:55.559
 you would

00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:56.000
 also fill

00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:56.300
 us with

00:54:56.300 --> 00:54:56.500
 the,

00:54:56.500 --> 00:54:56.800
 uh,

00:54:56.800 --> 00:54:57.140
 conviction

00:54:57.140 --> 00:54:57.500
 of the

00:54:57.500 --> 00:54:57.980
 Holy Spirit

00:54:57.980 --> 00:54:58.400
 to pursue

00:54:58.400 --> 00:54:58.820
 holiness,

00:54:58.820 --> 00:54:59.619
 uh,

00:54:59.619 --> 00:55:00.180
 to be people

00:55:00.180 --> 00:55:00.619
 who are

00:55:00.619 --> 00:55:01.480
 distinct and

00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:01.800
 different,

00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:02.519
 um,

00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:03.460
 because we

00:55:03.460 --> 00:55:03.900
 belong to

00:55:03.900 --> 00:55:04.099
 you.

00:55:04.539 --> 00:55:04.820
 Uh,

00:55:04.820 --> 00:55:05.240
 we pray,

00:55:05.720 --> 00:55:05.960
 uh,

00:55:05.960 --> 00:55:06.220
 that,

00:55:06.640 --> 00:55:06.960
 um,

00:55:07.340 --> 00:55:08.140
 uh,

00:55:08.140 --> 00:55:08.500
 that you

00:55:08.500 --> 00:55:09.200
 would be

00:55:09.200 --> 00:55:09.660
 working through

00:55:09.660 --> 00:55:09.920
 us for

00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:10.240
 your glory

00:55:10.240 --> 00:55:10.559
 to bring

00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:11.119
 many people,

00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:11.740
 uh,

00:55:11.740 --> 00:55:12.180
 to know

00:55:12.180 --> 00:55:12.680
 and love

00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:13.460
 you and,

00:55:13.460 --> 00:55:13.819
 uh,

00:55:13.819 --> 00:55:14.159
 submit their

00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:14.519
 lives to

00:55:14.519 --> 00:55:14.599
 you.

00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:14.879
 In Jesus'

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:15.179
 name we

00:55:15.179 --> 00:55:15.379
 pray.

00:55:15.639 --> 00:55:15.859
 Amen.