WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.000 All right, so this is day two of our Doctrine of Creation course. 00:00:07.259 --> 00:00:22.100 We are going to start today by talking about, well, the plan for today is to talk about the days of creation, different views of the days of creation, what do we make of this amazing text that we found. 00:00:22.100 --> 00:00:33.760 But before we get into that, I'd like to start by talking a little bit about speech, communication generally. 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:46.079 If we think about in academic jargon, in speech act theory, they divide communication into three parts. 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:52.299 You have locution, illocution, and perlocution. 00:00:53.100 --> 00:00:53.219 Okay? 00:00:54.239 --> 00:00:58.039 Locution is the form of the communication. 00:00:58.500 --> 00:01:02.340 The grammar, the syntax, the context, that kind of thing. 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:09.640 The illocution refers to the meaning that is meant to be conveyed by the communication. 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:17.819 And the perlocution refers to what the audience actually receives from the communication. 00:01:19.480 --> 00:01:23.040 So before we get, actually, before we get started, do you have the time? 00:01:23.859 --> 00:01:24.120 No. 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:25.299 No? You don't have the time? 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:25.719 No. 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:26.799 Does anybody have the time? 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:27.819 It's 9. 00:01:27.939 --> 00:01:28.280 9. 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:28.319 9. 00:01:28.319 --> 00:01:28.400 9. 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:28.400 00:01:28.400 --> 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Right? 00:01:54.480 --> 00:02:01.359 If you take the actual form of the sentence and say, the correct answer to, do you have 00:02:01.359 --> 00:02:02.659 the time, is either what? 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:04.820 Yes or no. 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:05.659 Right? 00:02:06.120 --> 00:02:07.939 If you take the literal meaning. 00:02:08.159 --> 00:02:14.300 But when I ask, do you have the time, you understand that what I'm asking really is, can 00:02:14.300 --> 00:02:16.439 you give me, can you tell me what time it is? 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:17.439 Right? 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:18.340 Does that make sense? 00:02:18.340 --> 00:02:23.900 So in this sense, the locution of the sentence is, do you have the time? 00:02:24.620 --> 00:02:24.840 Right? 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:26.259 Or do you know the time? 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.860 The illocution is, can you tell me what time it is? 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:30.640 Right? 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:35.460 And the perlocution is hopefully, oh, I will get the time for you. 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:35.939 Right? 00:02:36.800 --> 00:02:39.219 Responding to the meaning of what is meant to be conveyed. 00:02:40.180 --> 00:02:45.120 And then this can change, using the exact same phrase, I can change the illocution. 00:02:45.939 --> 00:02:46.219 Right? 00:02:46.219 --> 00:02:49.000 Like, do you know what time it is? 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:50.780 Oh, do you know what time it is? 00:02:50.859 --> 00:02:51.919 You know, oh, check your watch. 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:53.560 And like, do you know what time it is? 00:02:54.259 --> 00:02:54.560 Right? 00:02:55.219 --> 00:02:58.500 Again, the correct answer from your kids is not, oh, no. 00:02:59.099 --> 00:03:00.000 No, I don't know what time. 00:03:00.079 --> 00:03:00.300 You know? 00:03:00.379 --> 00:03:02.099 No, the correct answer is, I'm sorry. 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:03.659 I'm up too late. 00:03:03.699 --> 00:03:04.419 I need to go to bed. 00:03:04.579 --> 00:03:04.879 Right? 00:03:05.479 --> 00:03:07.139 Or, do you know what time it is? 00:03:07.860 --> 00:03:10.860 And it's, you're like, yes, it's time for football. 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:11.599 Right? 00:03:11.599 --> 00:03:20.219 And so, what's important about the speech act theory here is that the illocution, the meaning 00:03:20.219 --> 00:03:27.379 that is meant to be conveyed, is in part based on the locution, the form of the sentence, 00:03:27.479 --> 00:03:29.539 but also surrounding context. 00:03:29.939 --> 00:03:30.019 Right? 00:03:30.020 --> 00:03:35.320 Other elements of embedded meaning that we pick up when we're doing communication. 00:03:37.340 --> 00:03:39.400 So, why am I talking about this? 00:03:39.700 --> 00:03:44.340 This is actually really important because of biblical inerrancy. 00:03:45.800 --> 00:03:45.980 Right? 00:03:45.979 --> 00:03:50.159 We as Christians believe that the Bible is the word of God. 00:03:51.060 --> 00:03:54.319 And it's therefore inerrant, meaning it's without error. 00:03:54.699 --> 00:03:57.639 All the truth claims it affirms are true. 00:03:57.859 --> 00:03:59.299 That's what the doctrine means. 00:03:59.560 --> 00:03:59.659 Right? 00:04:00.299 --> 00:04:06.879 And so, when we apply our principles of communication that I just talked about, that means that the 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:13.560 illocution, the meaning that is meant to be conveyed by the text, is always true. 00:04:14.459 --> 00:04:14.759 Okay? 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:23.779 And so, when we, the goal then of our hermeneutics and exegesis then is to take our perlocution, 00:04:24.199 --> 00:04:29.920 the way that we're receiving the text, the way we understand it, and aligning it with the 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:33.839 illocution, the way, the meaning that's meant to be conveyed by the text. 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:43.359 But, as anybody who's spent any time in the church knows, there's about 10 perlocutions, 00:04:43.859 --> 00:04:47.060 per locution, that is out there. 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:47.419 Okay? 00:04:47.859 --> 00:04:53.179 For every text, there seems to be a good number of ways that the audience has received it. 00:04:53.180 --> 00:04:56.340 And so, this is definitely true. 00:04:57.540 --> 00:05:01.199 So, what, what, I guess my question is, why? 00:05:02.300 --> 00:05:02.660 Right? 00:05:02.959 --> 00:05:03.340 Why? 00:05:03.400 --> 00:05:08.620 I mean, if the, if the locution is there, we're all reading the same text, you know, maybe 00:05:08.620 --> 00:05:09.840 in different translations, right? 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:11.740 But, we're all reading the same locution. 00:05:11.899 --> 00:05:13.360 Why do we get different perlocutions? 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:13.639 Yeah? 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:15.000 Perspective. 00:05:15.000 --> 00:05:16.279 Yeah. 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:19.519 Maybe there's, yeah, maybe there's different perspectives. 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:27.779 Maybe there's different philosophical presuppositions that we're bringing to the text that help 00:05:27.779 --> 00:05:33.560 explain why one person gets one perlocution and another person gets another. 00:05:34.180 --> 00:05:34.500 Okay? 00:05:34.980 --> 00:05:39.800 Ultimately, we're all trying to do the same thing, which is get the correct meaning from 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:40.240 the text. 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:49.420 So, I submit to you that when it comes to reading Genesis 1, especially the days of creation, 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:56.600 the biggest philosophical underpinning background that we're bringing to the text that is going 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:04.920 to color the way we understand it is what I call one of the major tensions in biblical interpretation. 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:11.600 And, that major tension is how do we balance general and special revelation? 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:20.340 So, generally, when we talk about revelation, meaning God's self-expression, we, a lot, historically, 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.740 we've broken that up into two major groups. 00:06:23.420 --> 00:06:23.660 Okay? 00:06:24.259 --> 00:06:26.500 Sometimes, it's described as two books. 00:06:26.980 --> 00:06:31.340 We have the book of nature, also called general revelation. 00:06:31.339 --> 00:06:35.639 It's called general revelation because the general public has access to it. 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.199 Everybody, in principle, has access to the book of nature, that revelation of God. 00:06:40.539 --> 00:06:44.459 And, it's properly understood as revelation of God, right? 00:06:45.799 --> 00:06:53.139 Because God creating ex nihilo could have created in multiple different ways. 00:06:53.939 --> 00:06:54.139 Right? 00:06:54.139 --> 00:06:59.479 And, so, the creation that we have is actually a self-revelation of God. 00:07:00.379 --> 00:07:07.240 He has created it this way for a reason or has actually communicated himself in the creation. 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:09.879 So, that's general revelation. 00:07:10.620 --> 00:07:15.019 The other one, not the book of nature, but the book of scripture. 00:07:15.740 --> 00:07:16.680 The book of scripture. 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:17.560 We know this one. 00:07:18.019 --> 00:07:18.800 Special revelation. 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.819 It's called special revelation because it has a smaller scope. 00:07:22.960 --> 00:07:26.579 Not everyone in the whole history of the world has received special revelation. 00:07:27.160 --> 00:07:31.460 We know from redemption history there was a small, you know, relatively small group of people 00:07:31.460 --> 00:07:34.540 who were directly communicated to by God. 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.560 And, this is what we treasure as the Bible. 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:49.439 So, when it comes to understanding nature, understanding the world, how do we balance general revelation, 00:07:50.019 --> 00:07:53.759 that communication of God that we get from nature, and special revelation? 00:07:54.639 --> 00:08:03.259 Now, it might be easy just to say, well, look, special revelation, God's active speech in the Bible, 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:05.000 boom, clear. 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:06.779 We just rely on that only. 00:08:06.779 --> 00:08:11.959 However, if we pay attention closely to what scripture says, 00:08:12.019 --> 00:08:17.059 scripture says for us to go out and see God in nature. 00:08:17.919 --> 00:08:20.119 That God has revealed himself in nature. 00:08:21.219 --> 00:08:25.119 And so, if we take special revelation seriously, we also have to take general revelation seriously. 00:08:25.939 --> 00:08:26.899 That's the rub. 00:08:27.239 --> 00:08:33.459 So, now we're all sort of in this position of trying to balance what we learn from nature 00:08:33.460 --> 00:08:40.340 and what we learn from scripture, especially as it involves understanding the natural world. 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:48.200 So, I've sort of put together a rough spectrum of what I believe are sort of different buckets 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:52.780 that we can put different people who have weighed general and special revelation differently. 00:08:52.779 --> 00:08:54.019 Okay? 00:08:54.019 --> 00:08:54.100 Okay? 00:08:55.299 --> 00:09:01.879 This first bucket, I'll, I call, and then, okay, so for the record, I'm going to use a lot of names here. 00:09:02.299 --> 00:09:04.019 I'm going to be naming a lot of things. 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:11.699 Wherever possible, I have used names that the people who support that view use. 00:09:11.700 --> 00:09:12.860 Okay? 00:09:12.860 --> 00:09:15.660 I'm not trying to label people. 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:19.379 Some of these names, you might think, sound derogatory. 00:09:20.780 --> 00:09:25.480 But, for the people who use the term for themselves, they do not mean it derogatorily, right? 00:09:25.860 --> 00:09:34.360 So, just as reference, try to, try to, like, let's try to remove all of our preconceived notions of this language 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.980 just so we can come to understand this topic. 00:09:37.980 --> 00:09:46.300 Again, not trying to, to color anybody's, anybody's reading. 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:46.600 Okay? 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.259 Except for the first one here. 00:09:48.840 --> 00:09:52.920 I call them, the first one and the last one. 00:09:52.980 --> 00:09:53.259 You'll see. 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:54.940 I'm equally harsh. 00:09:55.060 --> 00:09:57.840 So, the first one I call science skeptics. 00:09:58.759 --> 00:10:04.720 And the science skeptic is someone who takes special revelation here, and it's super weighty, 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.779 and general revelation is really not doing anything. 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:09.100 Okay? 00:10:09.340 --> 00:10:18.539 And this view, basically, is saying they don't believe science or studying nature at all is capable of giving reliable information about the world. 00:10:19.899 --> 00:10:20.120 Okay? 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:20.179 Okay? 00:10:22.179 --> 00:10:28.419 And so, they, they would say that special revelation is really the only way we can get any knowledge. 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:32.240 Now, this is actually, isn't a very common view. 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:33.259 Okay? 00:10:34.100 --> 00:10:40.860 So, but there are people out there who, who would support this, say that we really can't trust anything we see other than what we read in Scripture. 00:10:40.860 --> 00:10:52.300 And the reason I don't think this is, I'm going to say I don't think this is a tenable view for us to hold as Christians, 00:10:52.299 --> 00:10:53.659 and for the reasons I said before. 00:10:54.219 --> 00:10:57.740 It's kind of a, it could be a circular problem. 00:10:57.740 --> 00:11:05.199 Because if you say, special revelation is my only authority, that's the only thing I trust, I can't trust anything I see with my eyes, 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:13.000 then you're going to have to deal with those passages of Scripture that tell you that you must look out on creation and learn things. 00:11:13.500 --> 00:11:18.180 That we're expected to know things about God from creation. 00:11:19.259 --> 00:11:19.500 Right? 00:11:19.560 --> 00:11:21.280 I just think, I always think of Genesis 1. 00:11:21.900 --> 00:11:23.520 I mean, Genesis 1, Romans 1. 00:11:24.140 --> 00:11:24.340 Right? 00:11:24.340 --> 00:11:24.379 Right? 00:11:25.019 --> 00:11:30.379 God's eternal attributes, namely His divine power, is clearly seen through nature. 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:30.780 Right? 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:36.980 So we are expected to be able to learn things about God from nature, and special revelation says so. 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:47.180 So I don't think science skeptics, or this posture of being super flippant about anything in nature, is something that really we can hold. 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:52.240 But this is a view, I want to highlight, this is a view, this is a way of balancing it. 00:11:52.519 --> 00:11:53.820 Basically not balancing it all. 00:11:54.340 --> 00:11:56.060 General revelation is not even on the scale. 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:04.240 Another view we can look at I call concordists, or they call themselves concordists. 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:09.960 Concordists take special revelation and general revelation, and they weigh it sort of like this. 00:12:10.040 --> 00:12:18.759 Where special revelation is the driver's seat, but general revelation is bringing something to the table in terms of what we can learn about the world. 00:12:19.820 --> 00:12:20.040 Okay? 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.539 Basically, if you imagine, the Bible sets the table. 00:12:25.219 --> 00:12:28.179 The Bible is saying, this is what we see in nature. 00:12:28.259 --> 00:12:39.319 And then the concordists would then look at the world and say, I need to take this information I'm getting from the world and fit it in to this table that's set by Scripture. 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:44.780 So they would emphasize special revelation, but they also have a high view of general revelation. 00:12:45.780 --> 00:12:54.320 And in general, these Christians that believe that the Bible is intending to communicate scientific information at some level, 00:12:54.320 --> 00:13:01.860 and therefore it's our job to fit what we learn from nature into this biblical framework. 00:13:03.540 --> 00:13:03.980 Okay. 00:13:04.460 --> 00:13:04.940 Concordists. 00:13:04.940 --> 00:13:07.000 Boom. 00:13:07.400 --> 00:13:10.760 Right smack dab in the middle, we have what I call the harmonists. 00:13:11.640 --> 00:13:13.400 Again, not all of these terms are my terms. 00:13:14.200 --> 00:13:22.800 But a harmonist, and a harmonist would say they believe that science and Scripture interpretation done correctly will produce a coherent worldview. 00:13:24.380 --> 00:13:27.600 Saying stuff like, all truth is God's truth. 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:28.320 Right? 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:34.720 Anything we learn correctly from nature and anything we learn correctly from Scripture are going to harmonize. 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:35.600 Right? 00:13:35.659 --> 00:13:37.180 This is why we call them harmonists. 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:44.820 So they, in this view, they don't really privilege special or general revelation when it comes to looking out at nature. 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:52.440 Now, I want to be clear, every Orthodox Christian believes that special revelation is the highest authority. 00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:56.800 But we're talking specifically about how we understand the natural world. 00:13:56.799 --> 00:13:57.679 Right? 00:13:57.879 --> 00:14:09.419 And in understanding the natural world, a harmonist would say, we take the observational data that we have, and we take the scriptural data that we have, and we take them on their own terms. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:13.939 And then, if there's any apparent conflict there, we try to smooth those over. 00:14:14.439 --> 00:14:24.059 Either by re-appropriate, re-understanding our interpretation of science, or re-interpreting Scripture, whichever one is more appropriate given the apparent conflict. 00:14:24.059 --> 00:14:27.059 That's the harmonists. 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:31.919 Next, as you might imagine, the scale tips this way. 00:14:32.819 --> 00:14:34.879 We call these accommodationists. 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:41.279 Accommodationists say that Scripture interpretation done correctly will fit into the scientific consensus in detail. 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:49.220 So this is sort of the flip side of the concordance, where accommodationists would say, scientific knowledge is really setting the table. 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:50.980 It's really setting the parameters. 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:59.419 And when we correctly understand Scripture, it should fit in to what we see in the scientific data. 00:14:59.419 --> 00:15:00.379 Okay? 00:15:01.339 --> 00:15:11.719 They'll often de-emphasize the scientific information expressed in Scripture, and focus more on sort of the spiritual and moral import of the Bible. 00:15:12.419 --> 00:15:13.379 Does that make sense? 00:15:13.819 --> 00:15:14.500 Okay. 00:15:15.219 --> 00:15:26.500 And then now we're going to do the last group, which is general revelation way down here, super way down, and special revelations up there, not really doing much of anything. 00:15:26.500 --> 00:15:28.559 I call these biblical skeptics. 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:33.480 They don't believe that Scripture is capable of providing reliable information about the world at all. 00:15:34.580 --> 00:15:46.320 Basically, the Bible is only there to convey moral truths, and shouldn't really be relied on to convey anything what we would call scientific information at all. 00:15:47.220 --> 00:15:47.399 Okay? 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:56.039 That general revelation, science, observation, whatever, those are really the only reliable ways to get information. 00:15:56.500 --> 00:15:58.120 That's about the natural world. 00:15:58.799 --> 00:15:58.899 Okay? 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:04.399 And equally, I don't think this is something that we can hold as Orthodox Christians. 00:16:04.779 --> 00:16:05.019 Okay? 00:16:05.419 --> 00:16:13.139 I don't really think the Bible will accept this parameter of saying, yes, I'm only here to give you moral truths. 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:15.620 It sounds a lot like I'm giving you history sometimes. 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:19.440 It sounds a lot like I'm trying to tell you something that actually happened. 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:22.920 But, you know, don't worry about that. 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:23.860 Like, no, no, no. 00:16:23.860 --> 00:16:29.780 I don't think Scripture is going to, and I think we should accept Scripture being demoted into that level. 00:16:29.920 --> 00:16:30.160 Okay? 00:16:30.380 --> 00:16:35.160 I think we should allow Scripture to speak on the areas that it speaks on. 00:16:35.700 --> 00:16:35.940 Right? 00:16:35.940 --> 00:16:44.440 And so, equally, I think a biblical skeptic, a scientific skeptic, these two poles are things we want to avoid. 00:16:45.180 --> 00:16:50.160 So we're all, I think most of us as Orthodox Christians find ourselves somewhere in between. 00:16:50.920 --> 00:16:51.740 Somewhere in between. 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:57.860 And you can take any of these different categories that I've made, and you can find a spectrum within the spectrum. 00:16:57.860 --> 00:17:02.120 And so it all gets very complicated. 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:09.759 But you can imagine, as a accommodationist or a concordist come to the text of Genesis 1, 00:17:09.860 --> 00:17:13.180 they may be expecting to see different things. 00:17:14.360 --> 00:17:20.779 They may be asking different questions of the text, and therefore getting different answers. 00:17:21.339 --> 00:17:22.039 Does that make sense? 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:30.359 So I think this is the philosophical background that all of us are bringing to our reading of Genesis. 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:39.759 And I think this is mostly the biggest driver of the different perlocutions that we bring to the same text. 00:17:40.639 --> 00:17:40.740 Okay? 00:17:41.819 --> 00:17:42.220 All right. 00:17:43.539 --> 00:17:46.980 With that being said, why don't we actually go to the text? 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:49.359 Anybody have their Bible open? 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:53.859 We're just going to read all of Genesis 1 to 2-3. 00:18:03.759 --> 00:18:07.599 Who feels confident enough to read a large portion of Scripture? 00:18:09.399 --> 00:18:10.279 Richard, you want to go? 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:11.639 Go for it. 00:18:14.139 --> 00:18:17.379 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 00:18:17.380 --> 00:18:20.780 Now the earth was formless and empty. 00:18:21.360 --> 00:18:27.320 Darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters. 00:18:28.580 --> 00:18:31.280 And God said, let there be light. 00:18:32.040 --> 00:18:33.280 And there was light. 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:39.300 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 00:18:40.160 --> 00:18:45.620 God called the light day, and the darkness he called night. 00:18:45.619 --> 00:18:50.179 And there was evening, and there was morning, the first day. 00:18:51.179 --> 00:18:57.939 And God said, let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water. 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:04.539 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. 00:19:04.539 --> 00:19:06.659 And it was so. 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.099 God called the vault sky. 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:14.659 And there was evening, and there was morning, the second day. 00:19:15.899 --> 00:19:23.759 And God said, let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear. 00:19:24.599 --> 00:19:25.779 And it was so. 00:19:25.779 --> 00:19:33.839 God called the dry ground land, and the gathered waters he called seas. 00:19:34.220 --> 00:19:36.440 And God saw that it was good. 00:19:38.099 --> 00:19:45.099 Then God said, let the land produce vegetation, seed-bearing plants and trees, 00:19:45.339 --> 00:19:50.660 on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds. 00:19:50.660 --> 00:19:52.500 And it was so. 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:59.220 The land produced vegetation, plants bearing seed according to their kinds, 00:19:59.500 --> 00:20:04.480 and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. 00:20:04.900 --> 00:20:07.300 And God saw that it was good. 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:13.019 And there was evening, and there was morning, the third day. 00:20:13.019 --> 00:20:22.200 And God said, let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, 00:20:22.619 --> 00:20:29.319 and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times and days and years, 00:20:30.099 --> 00:20:36.240 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth. 00:20:36.980 --> 00:20:38.200 And it was so. 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:43.980 And God made two great lights, the greater light to govern the day, 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:46.519 and the lesser light to govern the night. 00:20:47.299 --> 00:20:49.279 He also made the stars. 00:20:50.860 --> 00:20:54.960 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on earth, 00:20:55.360 --> 00:21:00.519 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. 00:21:01.759 --> 00:21:04.319 And God saw that it was good. 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:10.919 And there was evening, and there was morning, the fourth day. 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:17.059 And God said, let the water team with living creatures, 00:21:17.339 --> 00:21:22.579 and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky. 00:21:23.740 --> 00:21:26.919 So God created the great creatures of the sea, 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:30.700 and every living thing with which the water teems, 00:21:30.700 --> 00:21:35.559 and that moves about in it according to their kinds. 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:39.360 And every winged bird according to its kind. 00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:42.480 And God saw that it was good. 00:21:43.740 --> 00:21:46.360 God blessed them and said, 00:21:46.740 --> 00:21:49.140 be fruitful and increase in number, 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:51.759 and fill the water in the seas, 00:21:52.080 --> 00:21:54.680 and let the birds increase on the earth. 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:59.880 And there was evening, and there was morning, the fifth day. 00:22:02.160 --> 00:22:03.620 And God said, 00:22:04.560 --> 00:22:08.680 let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds, 00:22:09.620 --> 00:22:13.740 the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, 00:22:14.220 --> 00:22:15.680 and the wild animals, 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.799 each according to its kind. 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:20.819 And it was so. 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:24.980 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, 00:22:25.700 --> 00:22:28.339 the livestock according to their kinds, 00:22:28.619 --> 00:22:31.359 and all the creatures that move along the ground 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.599 according to their kinds. 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.419 And God saw that it was good. 00:22:37.700 --> 00:22:39.019 Then God said, 00:22:39.019 --> 00:22:43.099 let us make mankind in our image, 00:22:43.980 --> 00:22:45.160 in our likeness, 00:22:45.700 --> 00:22:48.920 so that they may rule over the fish in the sea, 00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:50.799 and the birds in the sky, 00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.379 over the livestock, 00:22:53.779 --> 00:22:55.279 and all the wild animals, 00:22:55.859 --> 00:22:59.500 and over all the creatures that move along the ground. 00:23:01.259 --> 00:23:04.559 So God created mankind in his own image. 00:23:05.220 --> 00:23:07.420 In the image of God he created them, 00:23:07.420 --> 00:23:10.440 male and female he created them. 00:23:11.720 --> 00:23:14.180 God blessed them and said to them, 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.019 be fruitful and increase in number. 00:23:17.700 --> 00:23:20.000 Fill the earth and subdue it. 00:23:20.840 --> 00:23:22.600 Rule over the fish in the sea, 00:23:22.700 --> 00:23:24.080 and the birds in the sky, 00:23:24.539 --> 00:23:27.880 and over every living creature that moves on the ground. 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:31.019 Then God said, 00:23:31.900 --> 00:23:34.240 I give you every seed-bearing plant 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:35.840 on the face of the whole earth, 00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:39.259 and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. 00:23:39.980 --> 00:23:42.000 They will be yours for food. 00:23:42.899 --> 00:23:44.799 And to all the beasts of the earth, 00:23:44.980 --> 00:23:46.740 and all the birds in the sky, 00:23:46.859 --> 00:23:49.139 and all the creatures that move along the ground, 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:52.899 everything that has the breath of life in it, 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.679 I give every green plant for food. 00:23:57.679 --> 00:23:58.799 And it was so. 00:23:58.799 --> 00:24:02.500 God saw all that he had made, 00:24:03.000 --> 00:24:04.700 and it was very good. 00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:06.799 And there was evening, 00:24:07.220 --> 00:24:08.319 and there was morning, 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:09.980 the sixth day. 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:14.480 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:16.379 in all their vast array. 00:24:16.380 --> 00:24:18.540 By the seventh day, 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.000 God had finished the work he had been doing. 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:22.980 So on the seventh day, 00:24:23.040 --> 00:24:24.800 he rested from all his work. 00:24:25.520 --> 00:24:27.960 Then God blessed the seventh day 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:29.480 and made it holy. 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:31.340 Because on it, 00:24:31.720 --> 00:24:34.360 he rested from all the work of creating 00:24:34.360 --> 00:24:35.920 that he had done. 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:39.200 All right. 00:24:39.600 --> 00:24:40.039 Wow. 00:24:41.140 --> 00:24:42.759 There's something special about reading Scripture 00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:43.920 when it's snowing outside. 00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:44.320 I don't know. 00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:49.200 Isn't that just beautiful? 00:24:49.980 --> 00:24:51.140 It never gets old. 00:24:52.800 --> 00:24:54.400 But let's step back. 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:56.300 Let's zoom out a little bit 00:24:56.300 --> 00:24:58.340 and get kind of a bird's eye view 00:24:58.340 --> 00:25:01.060 of this whole creation account that we have. 00:25:02.060 --> 00:25:03.000 As you can see, 00:25:03.080 --> 00:25:04.640 there's sort of a pattern, 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.900 a lot of Christians over time 00:25:06.900 --> 00:25:07.880 have seen sort of a pattern 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:08.960 in the creation days. 00:25:09.360 --> 00:25:11.360 You have two sets of three. 00:25:12.320 --> 00:25:14.340 You have a set of forming, 00:25:14.880 --> 00:25:16.220 forming spaces, 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:19.700 and then you have a set of filling, 00:25:20.520 --> 00:25:21.700 the filling of those spaces. 00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:22.560 So you can imagine, 00:25:23.020 --> 00:25:23.740 day one, 00:25:24.360 --> 00:25:26.380 we have the creation of light and dark, 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:27.940 and in day four, 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:30.480 we have the creation of the luminaries. 00:25:31.320 --> 00:25:33.759 Those things that are going to be shining 00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:35.079 in the light and the dark. 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:35.859 We're creating, 00:25:36.019 --> 00:25:38.960 we're shining, basically, 00:25:39.059 --> 00:25:39.940 with the light and the dark. 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:41.559 Day two, 00:25:41.779 --> 00:25:44.160 we have the separation of the water from the sky. 00:25:45.299 --> 00:25:46.379 Day five, 00:25:46.900 --> 00:25:49.519 we have the creation of sea creatures 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:50.759 and flying creatures. 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:51.779 Right? 00:25:52.379 --> 00:25:53.160 Day three, 00:25:53.299 --> 00:25:55.240 we have the creation of the land, 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:57.700 and then a special creation event 00:25:57.700 --> 00:25:59.839 of vegetation on the land. 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:01.259 Day six, 00:26:01.259 --> 00:26:03.180 we have the creation of the land animals, 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:05.339 and a special creation event 00:26:05.339 --> 00:26:06.440 of human beings. 00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:09.279 Each one of these six days 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:11.240 ends with the same phrase, 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:12.379 and there was evening, 00:26:12.619 --> 00:26:13.420 and there was morning, 00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:14.799 X day. 00:26:15.579 --> 00:26:16.019 Technically, 00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:18.259 there is no definite article. 00:26:18.940 --> 00:26:19.000 Right? 00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:20.299 So we say the first day, 00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:22.099 but it's technically like first day. 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:24.119 Day one. 00:26:24.339 --> 00:26:24.940 Day two. 00:26:25.460 --> 00:26:25.799 A lot of, 00:26:25.859 --> 00:26:26.119 a lot, 00:26:26.299 --> 00:26:27.640 some people make a big deal out of that. 00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:28.540 I'm, 00:26:29.560 --> 00:26:30.420 take it for what you will. 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:31.280 But, 00:26:31.800 --> 00:26:32.640 day seven 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:35.060 does not have that phrase. 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:36.500 Day seven is a special day. 00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:38.259 Day seven is where God rests 00:26:38.259 --> 00:26:39.380 from all his creation. 00:26:39.860 --> 00:26:40.800 It has no parallel 00:26:40.800 --> 00:26:42.040 in the forming 00:26:42.040 --> 00:26:43.000 or in the filling. 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:44.420 It's its own thing. 00:26:44.540 --> 00:26:46.080 It's the capstone, 00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:47.220 and there is no evening, 00:26:47.340 --> 00:26:48.060 and there is no morning. 00:26:48.680 --> 00:26:49.660 Everything is very good. 00:26:50.080 --> 00:26:50.480 Good, 00:26:50.620 --> 00:26:50.980 good, 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:51.500 good, 00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:52.360 good, 00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:52.620 good, 00:26:52.700 --> 00:26:53.200 very good. 00:26:53.980 --> 00:26:54.740 Very good. 00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:56.779 That's the, 00:26:56.900 --> 00:26:57.779 that's the data. 00:26:58.620 --> 00:26:58.819 So, 00:26:59.980 --> 00:27:00.620 there it is. 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:01.220 That's the low, 00:27:01.259 --> 00:27:02.059 that's the locution, 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:02.420 everybody. 00:27:02.559 --> 00:27:03.960 We all have the same thing. 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:05.359 We're all working off 00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:06.160 of the same thing, 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:08.019 and we are, 00:27:08.299 --> 00:27:08.700 hopefully, 00:27:08.859 --> 00:27:09.819 we're all working 00:27:09.819 --> 00:27:11.099 and striving together 00:27:11.099 --> 00:27:12.680 to get at 00:27:12.680 --> 00:27:14.319 the correct illocution. 00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:15.819 What are we supposed to be receiving 00:27:15.819 --> 00:27:16.700 in this text? 00:27:16.980 --> 00:27:17.200 Okay? 00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:19.539 But, 00:27:19.740 --> 00:27:20.779 there are quite a few 00:27:20.779 --> 00:27:21.680 different per locutions, 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:22.440 and you can imagine 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:24.320 if we take our philosophical 00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:26.120 predispositions in mind, 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:27.259 those different ways 00:27:27.259 --> 00:27:28.200 of weighing general 00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:29.120 and special revelation, 00:27:29.740 --> 00:27:30.279 you can imagine 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:31.100 we come to this text 00:27:31.100 --> 00:27:32.059 with different questions. 00:27:32.299 --> 00:27:32.539 So, 00:27:33.120 --> 00:27:33.880 if we imagine 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:35.039 we have a very heavy 00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:36.740 view of special revelation 00:27:36.740 --> 00:27:37.640 in terms of what it's supposed 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:39.059 to explain about nature, 00:27:39.259 --> 00:27:40.620 we might be asking questions 00:27:40.620 --> 00:27:41.019 of like, 00:27:41.320 --> 00:27:42.500 how did God create? 00:27:43.380 --> 00:27:44.080 In what manner? 00:27:44.180 --> 00:27:45.039 What was the mechanism 00:27:45.039 --> 00:27:46.440 by which God created things? 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:46.740 And, 00:27:46.820 --> 00:27:48.259 expecting to receive 00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:49.519 that information in the text. 00:27:50.019 --> 00:27:50.380 Whereas, 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:51.100 maybe if you go 00:27:51.100 --> 00:27:51.860 the other direction, 00:27:51.859 --> 00:27:53.459 weighing general revelation 00:27:53.459 --> 00:27:53.879 more, 00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:54.859 and special revelation 00:27:54.859 --> 00:27:56.319 at a different level, 00:27:56.399 --> 00:27:57.099 you might be saying, 00:27:57.399 --> 00:27:57.659 okay, 00:27:57.839 --> 00:27:59.839 what is it that the Bible 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:01.379 is trying to convey 00:28:01.379 --> 00:28:02.479 in its own context 00:28:02.479 --> 00:28:03.240 to us? 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:04.979 Were the original audience 00:28:04.979 --> 00:28:06.119 asking those kinds 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:06.599 of questions? 00:28:07.299 --> 00:28:08.419 Were they asking questions 00:28:08.419 --> 00:28:08.819 of like, 00:28:08.919 --> 00:28:10.000 how exactly 00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:10.659 did God create? 00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:12.679 So, 00:28:13.219 --> 00:28:14.879 what are the different views? 00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:16.419 Well, 00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:17.399 luckily for us, 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.479 there's only like 17. 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:19.740 17. 00:28:22.700 --> 00:28:23.099 No, 00:28:23.259 --> 00:28:23.680 I'm joking. 00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:24.880 There's not 17. 00:28:25.360 --> 00:28:26.220 By my count, 00:28:26.339 --> 00:28:27.180 there is 00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:31.120 only 12. 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:32.519 So, 00:28:32.900 --> 00:28:33.720 we're going to go 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:34.339 through these. 00:28:35.059 --> 00:28:35.299 You know, 00:28:35.620 --> 00:28:37.339 I have taught this class 00:28:37.339 --> 00:28:37.720 before, 00:28:37.860 --> 00:28:39.099 a few years back, 00:28:39.539 --> 00:28:41.180 and I had, 00:28:41.360 --> 00:28:42.539 basically I had an overview 00:28:42.539 --> 00:28:44.079 of all the modern views 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.620 of Genesis 1. 00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:46.779 and I spread them out 00:28:46.779 --> 00:28:47.299 and I was very, 00:28:47.959 --> 00:28:48.479 still, 00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:49.519 I'm going to present 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:50.219 those today too. 00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:50.439 So, 00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:52.239 I haven't given up 00:28:52.239 --> 00:28:52.579 on those. 00:28:52.899 --> 00:28:53.959 But I've been really 00:28:53.959 --> 00:28:55.000 interested in church history 00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.079 and I've been wanting to, 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:57.639 so I wanted to go through 00:28:57.639 --> 00:28:59.779 the ones I had made before 00:28:59.779 --> 00:29:01.059 and I wanted to slot in 00:29:01.059 --> 00:29:03.439 different examples 00:29:03.439 --> 00:29:04.859 of church fathers 00:29:04.859 --> 00:29:06.839 who held the different views. 00:29:07.699 --> 00:29:08.179 And, 00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:09.319 as it turns out, 00:29:10.099 --> 00:29:11.159 I failed 00:29:11.159 --> 00:29:13.500 spectacularly 00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:13.839 because, 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.019 as is often the case, 00:29:15.019 --> 00:29:16.379 the patristic views 00:29:16.379 --> 00:29:18.359 are very different 00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:19.920 than the ones we have today. 00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:20.720 They're harder 00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:21.980 to categorize 00:29:21.980 --> 00:29:23.240 in the way, 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:24.359 in the common 00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:25.339 understandings we have 00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:25.940 in today. 00:29:26.180 --> 00:29:26.599 So, 00:29:26.619 --> 00:29:27.180 I decided to make 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:28.059 a whole new section 00:29:28.059 --> 00:29:30.220 starting just with 00:29:30.220 --> 00:29:30.779 what I call 00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:31.819 the patristic views 00:29:31.819 --> 00:29:32.980 of early Genesis. 00:29:33.500 --> 00:29:34.519 And they generally 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:35.460 fall into three 00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:36.200 different categories. 00:29:37.059 --> 00:29:38.200 The first one 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:39.139 is 00:29:39.139 --> 00:29:40.759 the world weak 00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:41.779 hypothesis. 00:29:42.639 --> 00:29:43.440 World weak. 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:44.580 So, 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:46.559 what this view 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:47.600 holds is that 00:29:47.600 --> 00:29:49.740 the creation account 00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:51.019 is actually 00:29:51.019 --> 00:29:52.160 a prophecy, 00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:54.940 a forward-looking 00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:55.519 prophecy 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:57.120 of six 00:29:57.120 --> 00:29:58.160 eras 00:29:58.160 --> 00:29:59.460 of human history. 00:30:00.900 --> 00:30:01.259 Six, 00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:02.559 each one of the days 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:03.900 is a thousand years. 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.019 The understanding here 00:30:06.019 --> 00:30:06.940 is that 00:30:06.940 --> 00:30:08.680 with the Lord, 00:30:09.600 --> 00:30:10.259 a thousand years 00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:10.799 is like a day 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:11.140 and a day 00:30:11.140 --> 00:30:11.900 is like a thousand years. 00:30:11.900 --> 00:30:12.400 And the patristics 00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:12.720 are like, 00:30:12.800 --> 00:30:12.880 well, 00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:13.140 good. 00:30:13.420 --> 00:30:13.940 It says here, 00:30:14.060 --> 00:30:14.380 day, 00:30:15.140 --> 00:30:16.380 therefore a thousand years. 00:30:16.720 --> 00:30:16.920 Right? 00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:17.500 Equals. 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:18.560 And so, 00:30:18.660 --> 00:30:18.940 they said, 00:30:18.980 --> 00:30:19.040 oh, 00:30:19.060 --> 00:30:21.200 there's six thousand years 00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:22.080 of human history 00:30:22.080 --> 00:30:24.540 being prophesied 00:30:24.540 --> 00:30:25.580 in this early 00:30:25.580 --> 00:30:26.620 interpretation. 00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:28.880 With the seventh day 00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.060 representing the 00:30:31.060 --> 00:30:31.920 eschatological 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:32.600 millennium 00:30:32.600 --> 00:30:33.700 of Jesus. 00:30:34.300 --> 00:30:34.720 Of Jesus' 00:30:34.940 --> 00:30:35.680 reign on earth 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:37.140 as we see in Revelation. 00:30:37.460 --> 00:30:38.040 The millennium, 00:30:38.340 --> 00:30:39.200 the millennial reign. 00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:40.660 And then some fathers 00:30:40.660 --> 00:30:41.559 actually talking about 00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.059 the future eighth day, 00:30:43.220 --> 00:30:44.400 which is the 00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:45.519 recreation of the 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:46.140 heavens and the earth. 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:46.860 Right? 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.000 As far as I know, 00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:51.240 there is 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:52.779 no one today 00:30:52.779 --> 00:30:53.720 who holds this view. 00:30:54.340 --> 00:30:54.940 Okay? 00:30:55.299 --> 00:30:56.360 But this was actually 00:30:56.360 --> 00:30:56.920 a really, 00:30:57.100 --> 00:30:58.080 really common 00:30:58.080 --> 00:30:58.860 popular view 00:30:58.860 --> 00:31:00.819 in the early church. 00:31:01.840 --> 00:31:02.340 People like, 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:02.539 yeah. 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:04.299 Richard? 00:31:04.299 --> 00:31:05.340 This view is 00:31:05.340 --> 00:31:06.360 a lot more popular 00:31:06.360 --> 00:31:08.059 than you might suspect. 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:08.600 Even today. 00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:09.519 Even today. 00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:09.799 All right. 00:31:10.159 --> 00:31:10.459 All right. 00:31:10.699 --> 00:31:11.619 I'm willing to be wrong 00:31:11.619 --> 00:31:11.959 about this. 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:13.359 You can easily go to 00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.500 YouTube or the internet 00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:16.159 in general 00:31:16.159 --> 00:31:18.500 and you can find 00:31:18.500 --> 00:31:19.019 this view 00:31:19.019 --> 00:31:20.139 espoused by 00:31:20.139 --> 00:31:20.799 living, 00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:21.939 breathing human beings. 00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:22.419 Wow. 00:31:22.819 --> 00:31:23.259 Well, 00:31:23.299 --> 00:31:23.759 there you go. 00:31:23.939 --> 00:31:24.159 I mean, 00:31:24.219 --> 00:31:24.399 look, 00:31:24.740 --> 00:31:25.359 I was actually going 00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:26.000 to point out 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.159 that as often 00:31:29.159 --> 00:31:30.899 as strange 00:31:30.899 --> 00:31:31.719 as this view sounds, 00:31:31.719 --> 00:31:32.299 this has actually 00:31:32.299 --> 00:31:33.659 had a long shelf life. 00:31:34.619 --> 00:31:34.619 00:31:34.939 --> 00:31:36.119 church fathers 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:37.099 like Irenaeus, 00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:38.099 Hippolytus, 00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:38.659 Cyprian, 00:31:39.439 --> 00:31:40.819 John of Damascus, 00:31:40.939 --> 00:31:41.339 and Bede 00:31:41.339 --> 00:31:42.500 all held 00:31:42.500 --> 00:31:43.299 some version 00:31:43.299 --> 00:31:43.959 of this view. 00:31:45.059 --> 00:31:46.159 And through people 00:31:46.159 --> 00:31:47.319 like John of Damascus 00:31:47.319 --> 00:31:48.279 and Bede, 00:31:48.679 --> 00:31:49.980 this continued on 00:31:49.980 --> 00:31:51.179 through the Middle Ages 00:31:51.179 --> 00:31:52.719 where even people 00:31:52.719 --> 00:31:53.799 like Anselm 00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:55.959 and Thomas of Aquinas, 00:31:56.740 --> 00:31:57.659 they would 00:31:57.659 --> 00:31:59.500 reference people 00:31:59.500 --> 00:32:00.279 holding this view. 00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:01.299 Okay? 00:32:01.299 --> 00:32:02.159 So, 00:32:02.159 --> 00:32:03.240 one patristic view 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:03.799 is the world 00:32:03.799 --> 00:32:04.819 weak hypothesis. 00:32:06.019 --> 00:32:06.919 Another view, 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.399 which is a little bit 00:32:08.399 --> 00:32:08.940 more 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:10.759 maybe familiar 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:11.599 to some of us, 00:32:11.819 --> 00:32:13.180 is what I will call 00:32:13.180 --> 00:32:14.980 Alexandrian allegory. 00:32:16.139 --> 00:32:17.339 Alexandrian allegory 00:32:17.339 --> 00:32:18.819 is the view 00:32:18.819 --> 00:32:19.639 of a lot of 00:32:19.639 --> 00:32:20.299 church fathers 00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:21.419 in North Africa 00:32:21.419 --> 00:32:22.680 who believed that 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.099 based on what they 00:32:24.099 --> 00:32:24.759 understood about 00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.399 the natural world 00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:27.920 and based on 00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:29.360 interesting facts, 00:32:29.860 --> 00:32:31.220 interesting facets 00:32:31.220 --> 00:32:32.420 of the Genesis 00:32:32.420 --> 00:32:33.400 narrative itself, 00:32:34.180 --> 00:32:35.180 believed that 00:32:35.180 --> 00:32:35.880 actually 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:38.519 God created 00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:39.240 instantaneously. 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:40.759 Everything. 00:32:41.560 --> 00:32:42.240 All at once. 00:32:42.460 --> 00:32:42.680 Boom. 00:32:43.820 --> 00:32:44.080 Okay? 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:45.279 There was no time, 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:46.199 there was no sequence 00:32:46.199 --> 00:32:46.939 in reality 00:32:46.939 --> 00:32:47.720 in the actual 00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:48.579 act of creation 00:32:48.579 --> 00:32:49.500 and that the 00:32:49.500 --> 00:32:50.299 creation narrative 00:32:50.299 --> 00:32:51.079 we get here 00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:52.279 is either an allegory 00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:53.339 talking about 00:32:53.339 --> 00:32:54.519 moral and spiritual 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:55.039 truths 00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:56.559 or the different 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:58.079 natures of the 00:32:58.079 --> 00:32:59.339 created world 00:32:59.339 --> 00:33:00.779 or it's 00:33:00.779 --> 00:33:01.699 an accommodation 00:33:01.699 --> 00:33:03.299 to human 00:33:03.299 --> 00:33:03.879 understanding 00:33:03.879 --> 00:33:05.599 being where 00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:06.339 it's really hard 00:33:06.339 --> 00:33:07.279 for us to understand 00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:08.240 God creating 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:09.079 everything in an instant. 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:09.919 So, 00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:10.599 for instance, 00:33:11.159 --> 00:33:12.519 church fathers 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:13.240 like Clement 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:14.140 and Origen 00:33:14.140 --> 00:33:15.000 and Athanasius 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:15.620 all held 00:33:15.620 --> 00:33:16.920 something like 00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.480 this instantaneous 00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:19.279 creation 00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:20.960 with an allegorical 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:21.660 understanding of 00:33:21.660 --> 00:33:22.299 Genesis 1. 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:24.000 Famously, 00:33:24.120 --> 00:33:24.620 Augustine 00:33:24.620 --> 00:33:26.700 held this view 00:33:26.700 --> 00:33:27.960 to a certain extent 00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:28.519 and he believed 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:28.900 that actually 00:33:28.900 --> 00:33:30.180 the days of creation 00:33:30.180 --> 00:33:31.579 were not days of 00:33:31.579 --> 00:33:32.359 God creating 00:33:32.359 --> 00:33:33.200 the physical world 00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:33.640 were actually 00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:34.400 were days 00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:36.180 were moments 00:33:36.180 --> 00:33:37.019 by which 00:33:37.019 --> 00:33:38.460 the angelic 00:33:38.460 --> 00:33:38.940 host 00:33:38.940 --> 00:33:39.660 were being 00:33:39.660 --> 00:33:41.200 exposed 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:42.460 to 00:33:42.460 --> 00:33:43.440 what was 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:43.960 about to 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:44.340 happen 00:33:44.340 --> 00:33:45.340 in creation. 00:33:46.299 --> 00:33:46.420 Right? 00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:47.420 Have anybody 00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:48.180 ever read 00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:48.840 the Silmarillion? 00:33:49.620 --> 00:33:50.079 Anybody ever 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:50.740 read the Silmarillion? 00:33:51.380 --> 00:33:51.880 Well, 00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:52.360 okay, 00:33:52.420 --> 00:33:52.880 two people. 00:33:53.620 --> 00:33:53.840 So, 00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:55.680 it's hard to get 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:55.860 through, 00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:56.299 but if you 00:33:56.299 --> 00:33:57.440 started the Silmarillion 00:33:57.440 --> 00:33:58.120 you probably 00:33:58.120 --> 00:33:58.799 read this part 00:33:58.799 --> 00:33:59.079 because it's 00:33:59.079 --> 00:33:59.460 literally the 00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:00.039 first two pages. 00:34:00.460 --> 00:34:00.460 00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:02.360 in the Silmarillion 00:34:02.360 --> 00:34:02.840 you have 00:34:02.840 --> 00:34:04.140 this is the 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:06.420 deep cut 00:34:06.420 --> 00:34:06.920 of J.R. 00:34:06.980 --> 00:34:07.220 Tolkien 00:34:07.220 --> 00:34:08.420 his creation 00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:09.800 myth 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:10.420 of his 00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:11.180 Middle Earth. 00:34:12.420 --> 00:34:12.880 And Iluvatar 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:14.160 is singing 00:34:14.160 --> 00:34:14.880 this is the 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:15.200 God 00:34:15.200 --> 00:34:15.960 this is the 00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:16.600 one God 00:34:16.600 --> 00:34:17.160 of the 00:34:17.160 --> 00:34:17.720 Middle Earth 00:34:17.720 --> 00:34:18.760 he's singing 00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:19.460 a song 00:34:19.460 --> 00:34:20.240 and his 00:34:20.240 --> 00:34:20.700 different 00:34:20.700 --> 00:34:21.800 angelic hosts 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:23.140 are harmonizing 00:34:23.140 --> 00:34:23.820 with him 00:34:23.820 --> 00:34:24.880 and Melkor 00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:25.420 the devil 00:34:25.420 --> 00:34:25.820 character 00:34:25.820 --> 00:34:26.720 he's doing 00:34:26.720 --> 00:34:27.580 disharmony 00:34:27.580 --> 00:34:28.400 and Iluvatar 00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:29.120 keeps on 00:34:29.120 --> 00:34:30.539 bringing his 00:34:30.539 --> 00:34:31.039 disharmony 00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:31.740 back into 00:34:31.740 --> 00:34:32.160 harmony 00:34:32.160 --> 00:34:33.280 and Melkor 00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:33.560 is like 00:34:33.560 --> 00:34:34.280 ah man 00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:34.740 you know 00:34:34.740 --> 00:34:35.880 and then 00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:36.160 boom 00:34:36.160 --> 00:34:36.640 it's done 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:37.480 and what 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:38.179 Iluvatar 00:34:38.179 --> 00:34:38.659 does 00:34:38.659 --> 00:34:38.960 is he 00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:39.819 shows 00:34:39.819 --> 00:34:41.139 the angels 00:34:41.139 --> 00:34:41.480 like 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:41.940 what you 00:34:41.940 --> 00:34:42.279 just 00:34:42.279 --> 00:34:42.739 sang 00:34:42.739 --> 00:34:43.819 is the 00:34:43.819 --> 00:34:44.319 story 00:34:44.319 --> 00:34:44.960 of this 00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:45.460 world 00:34:45.460 --> 00:34:47.039 is the 00:34:47.039 --> 00:34:47.379 story 00:34:47.379 --> 00:34:47.679 of this 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:47.859 world 00:34:47.859 --> 00:34:48.239 and he's 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:48.659 showing 00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:49.119 them 00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:49.559 human 00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:49.920 history 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:50.119 or 00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:50.759 the 00:34:50.759 --> 00:34:51.139 history 00:34:51.139 --> 00:34:51.299 of 00:34:51.299 --> 00:34:51.480 Middle 00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:51.799 Earth 00:34:51.799 --> 00:34:52.779 right 00:34:52.779 --> 00:34:53.639 and I 00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:53.799 think 00:34:53.799 --> 00:34:54.119 this is 00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:54.519 Tolkien 00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:55.379 hearkening 00:34:55.379 --> 00:34:55.799 back to 00:34:55.799 --> 00:34:56.099 this view 00:34:56.099 --> 00:34:56.639 of Augustine 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:57.659 that in 00:34:57.659 --> 00:34:58.199 creation 00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:58.699 God 00:34:58.699 --> 00:34:58.879 is 00:34:58.879 --> 00:34:59.980 sorry 00:34:59.980 --> 00:35:00.219 I should 00:35:00.219 --> 00:35:00.460 say 00:35:00.460 --> 00:35:01.519 then Iluvatar 00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:02.000 just goes 00:35:02.000 --> 00:35:02.799 boom 00:35:02.799 --> 00:35:03.920 there it is 00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:04.299 the world 00:35:04.299 --> 00:35:04.759 is created 00:35:04.759 --> 00:35:05.199 right 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:05.480 and then 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:06.360 those 00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:06.940 angelic hosts 00:35:06.940 --> 00:35:07.300 can enter 00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:07.659 the creation 00:35:07.659 --> 00:35:08.099 it gets 00:35:08.099 --> 00:35:08.780 very confusing 00:35:08.780 --> 00:35:09.159 after that 00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:10.820 but I 00:35:10.820 --> 00:35:11.139 think this 00:35:11.139 --> 00:35:11.900 is hearkening 00:35:11.900 --> 00:35:12.320 back to 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:12.500 that 00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:13.139 where 00:35:13.139 --> 00:35:13.880 God 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:14.159 is 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:15.340 presaging 00:35:15.340 --> 00:35:16.139 what is 00:35:16.139 --> 00:35:16.480 about to 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:16.920 occur 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:18.719 to the 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:19.199 angelic 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:19.519 host 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:20.179 and then 00:35:20.179 --> 00:35:21.099 the actual 00:35:21.099 --> 00:35:21.519 act of 00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:21.880 creation 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:22.340 is 00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:22.820 instantaneous 00:35:22.820 --> 00:35:24.619 so that's 00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:25.240 Alexandrian 00:35:25.240 --> 00:35:25.719 allegory 00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:26.539 we have 00:35:26.539 --> 00:35:26.980 another view 00:35:26.980 --> 00:35:27.380 called 00:35:27.380 --> 00:35:28.320 Cappadocian 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:29.039 literalism 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.159 this is 00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:30.800 closer to 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:31.179 what we 00:35:31.179 --> 00:35:31.840 are familiar 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:32.400 with today 00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:33.199 these 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:33.619 fathers 00:35:33.619 --> 00:35:34.179 centered around 00:35:34.179 --> 00:35:34.820 Antioch 00:35:34.820 --> 00:35:35.820 took a more 00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:36.140 straightforward 00:35:36.140 --> 00:35:36.580 reading of 00:35:36.580 --> 00:35:36.940 the text 00:35:36.940 --> 00:35:37.700 they said 00:35:37.700 --> 00:35:38.080 that 00:35:38.080 --> 00:35:39.740 basically 00:35:39.740 --> 00:35:40.500 it is 00:35:40.500 --> 00:35:40.720 what it 00:35:40.720 --> 00:35:40.900 is 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:41.120 these 00:35:41.120 --> 00:35:41.240 are 00:35:41.240 --> 00:35:41.680 24 00:35:41.680 --> 00:35:41.940 hour 00:35:41.940 --> 00:35:42.300 days 00:35:42.300 --> 00:35:43.140 right 00:35:43.140 --> 00:35:44.000 however 00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:44.360 this is 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:44.660 different 00:35:44.660 --> 00:35:44.900 than 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:45.280 modern 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:45.700 views 00:35:45.700 --> 00:35:45.880 of 00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:46.180 24 00:35:46.180 --> 00:35:46.380 hour 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:46.720 day 00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:47.280 because 00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:48.440 they 00:35:48.440 --> 00:35:49.000 believed 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:49.539 that 00:35:49.539 --> 00:35:51.420 this 00:35:51.420 --> 00:35:52.440 creation 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:52.900 as we 00:35:52.900 --> 00:35:53.260 receive 00:35:53.260 --> 00:35:53.400 it 00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:53.920 now 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.000 is 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:55.140 the 00:35:55.140 --> 00:35:55.600 creation 00:35:55.600 --> 00:35:56.360 that 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:56.559 God 00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:56.880 made 00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:57.140 in 00:35:57.140 --> 00:35:57.300 those 00:35:57.300 --> 00:35:57.580 24 00:35:57.580 --> 00:35:57.760 hour 00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:58.059 days 00:35:58.059 --> 00:35:58.300 so 00:35:58.300 --> 00:35:58.720 including 00:35:58.720 --> 00:35:59.340 predation 00:35:59.340 --> 00:36:00.300 including 00:36:00.300 --> 00:36:00.660 animal 00:36:00.660 --> 00:36:01.059 death 00:36:01.059 --> 00:36:01.960 all of 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:02.100 these 00:36:02.100 --> 00:36:02.320 things 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:02.500 are 00:36:02.500 --> 00:36:03.039 facets 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:03.039 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:03.259 of 00:36:03.259 --> 00:36:03.559 God's 00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:03.699 good 00:36:03.699 --> 00:36:04.119 creation 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:04.440 which 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:05.119 distinguishes 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:05.360 it 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:05.659 from 00:36:05.659 --> 00:36:06.019 modern 00:36:06.019 --> 00:36:06.400 creation 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:06.779 views 00:36:06.779 --> 00:36:07.420 of 00:36:07.420 --> 00:36:07.699 24 00:36:07.699 --> 00:36:07.880 hour 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00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:06.719 science 00:39:06.719 --> 00:39:07.279 interpretations 00:39:07.279 --> 00:39:08.579 okay 00:39:08.579 --> 00:39:09.860 what hold 00:39:09.860 --> 00:39:10.420 these views 00:39:10.420 --> 00:39:10.799 together 00:39:10.799 --> 00:39:11.960 is that 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:12.480 they all 00:39:12.480 --> 00:39:12.839 share a 00:39:12.839 --> 00:39:13.279 common belief 00:39:13.279 --> 00:39:13.539 that the 00:39:13.539 --> 00:39:13.799 Genesis 00:39:13.799 --> 00:39:14.159 account 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:14.699 is intending 00:39:14.699 --> 00:39:15.279 to convey 00:39:15.279 --> 00:39:16.139 not just 00:39:16.139 --> 00:39:16.699 what God 00:39:16.699 --> 00:39:16.879 did 00:39:16.879 --> 00:39:17.539 but how 00:39:17.539 --> 00:39:18.259 he created 00:39:18.259 --> 00:39:19.779 and that 00:39:19.779 --> 00:39:20.379 understanding 00:39:20.379 --> 00:39:21.239 it correctly 00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:21.759 these 00:39:21.759 --> 00:39:23.059 understanding 00:39:23.059 --> 00:39:23.420 the Genesis 00:39:23.420 --> 00:39:23.759 narrative 00:39:23.759 --> 00:39:24.079 correctly 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:24.359 it will 00:39:24.359 --> 00:39:24.699 fit 00:39:24.699 --> 00:39:24.960 with 00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:25.299 modern 00:39:25.299 --> 00:39:25.799 science 00:39:25.799 --> 00:39:26.980 okay 00:39:26.980 --> 00:39:28.500 so one 00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:28.839 of these 00:39:28.839 --> 00:39:29.639 views 00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:30.339 is 00:39:30.339 --> 00:39:31.119 the 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:31.539 appearance 00:39:31.539 --> 00:39:32.119 of age 00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:32.399 view 00:39:32.399 --> 00:39:33.480 where it's 00:39:33.480 --> 00:39:33.839 basically 00:39:33.839 --> 00:39:34.319 the same 00:39:34.319 --> 00:39:34.599 as young 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:34.719 earth 00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:35.239 creationism 00:39:35.239 --> 00:39:35.480 except 00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:36.199 they don't 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:36.879 believe 00:39:36.879 --> 00:39:38.500 that science 00:39:38.500 --> 00:39:39.039 done correctly 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:39.519 will show 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:39.759 that the 00:39:39.759 --> 00:39:40.079 earth is 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:40.480 young 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:41.619 they believe 00:39:41.619 --> 00:39:42.739 that the 00:39:42.739 --> 00:39:43.139 earth was 00:39:43.139 --> 00:39:43.599 created in 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:44.079 24 hour 00:39:44.079 --> 00:39:44.679 solar days 00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:45.019 but it was 00:39:45.019 --> 00:39:45.880 created mature 00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.199 much like 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:48.199 we believe 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:49.460 Adam was 00:39:49.460 --> 00:39:50.159 created fully 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:50.579 formed 00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:51.299 the earth 00:39:51.299 --> 00:39:52.319 and the 00:39:52.319 --> 00:39:52.599 universe 00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:53.139 were created 00:39:53.139 --> 00:39:54.019 fully formed 00:39:54.019 --> 00:39:55.119 so it has 00:39:55.119 --> 00:39:55.799 the appearance 00:39:55.799 --> 00:39:56.299 of age 00:39:56.299 --> 00:39:56.699 but not 00:39:56.699 --> 00:39:57.239 actually 00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:58.059 a long 00:39:58.059 --> 00:39:58.360 period of 00:39:58.360 --> 00:39:58.579 time 00:39:58.579 --> 00:39:59.219 so they 00:39:59.219 --> 00:39:59.579 would believe 00:39:59.579 --> 00:40:00.019 if you go 00:40:00.019 --> 00:40:00.279 out 00:40:00.279 --> 00:40:00.839 scientifically 00:40:00.839 --> 00:40:01.739 and look 00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:02.179 at rocks 00:40:02.179 --> 00:40:02.460 they're going 00:40:02.460 --> 00:40:02.699 to look 00:40:02.699 --> 00:40:03.339 really old 00:40:03.339 --> 00:40:04.199 but in fact 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:04.659 they actually 00:40:04.659 --> 00:40:05.079 are not 00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:05.579 that old 00:40:05.579 --> 00:40:06.380 okay 00:40:06.380 --> 00:40:13.059 so that 00:40:13.059 --> 00:40:13.940 is closer 00:40:13.940 --> 00:40:14.360 to young 00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:14.500 earth 00:40:14.500 --> 00:40:15.000 creationism 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:15.280 where they're 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:15.940 saying we 00:40:15.940 --> 00:40:16.840 can explain 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:17.920 the appearance 00:40:17.920 --> 00:40:18.360 of age 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:19.980 here based 00:40:19.980 --> 00:40:20.480 on this 00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:20.980 understanding 00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:21.440 of science 00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:21.800 but they 00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:22.140 would say 00:40:22.140 --> 00:40:23.059 now with 00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:23.400 that in 00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:23.860 mind you 00:40:23.860 --> 00:40:24.200 can actually 00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:24.780 see that 00:40:24.780 --> 00:40:25.119 it's really 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:25.460 young 00:40:25.460 --> 00:40:28.720 yeah 00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:29.480 age 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:30.360 yeah 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:33.079 yeah 00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:33.440 so the 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:33.740 appearance 00:40:33.740 --> 00:40:34.139 of age 00:40:34.139 --> 00:40:34.420 and young 00:40:34.420 --> 00:40:34.539 earth 00:40:34.539 --> 00:40:35.019 creationism 00:40:35.019 --> 00:40:35.460 kind of 00:40:35.460 --> 00:40:35.840 there's a 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:36.059 little bit 00:40:36.059 --> 00:40:36.500 of melding 00:40:36.500 --> 00:40:36.920 in between 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:37.179 there 00:40:37.179 --> 00:40:38.480 where they 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:39.179 can go 00:40:39.179 --> 00:40:39.559 back and 00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:39.820 forth 00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:41.199 another one 00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:41.500 of these 00:40:41.500 --> 00:40:41.880 ancient 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:42.240 science 00:40:42.240 --> 00:40:42.740 interpretations 00:40:42.740 --> 00:40:43.679 is the 00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:44.260 gap theory 00:40:44.260 --> 00:40:45.619 so this 00:40:45.619 --> 00:40:46.099 believes 00:40:46.099 --> 00:40:46.900 that the 00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:47.639 days of 00:40:47.639 --> 00:40:47.900 creation 00:40:47.900 --> 00:40:48.760 are 24 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:49.119 hours 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:49.780 solar days 00:40:49.780 --> 00:40:50.840 but 00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:51.820 between 00:40:51.820 --> 00:40:53.119 Genesis 1 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:53.860 1 and 2 00:40:53.860 --> 00:40:54.699 and Genesis 00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:55.519 1 3 00:40:55.519 --> 00:40:56.899 we have 00:40:56.899 --> 00:40:57.759 a long 00:40:57.759 --> 00:40:58.219 we have 00:40:58.219 --> 00:40:59.139 eons of 00:40:59.139 --> 00:40:59.519 history 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:00.739 that occur 00:41:00.739 --> 00:41:01.839 right 00:41:01.839 --> 00:41:03.039 God created 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:03.559 the universe 00:41:03.559 --> 00:41:03.939 and then 00:41:03.939 --> 00:41:04.460 actually was 00:41:04.460 --> 00:41:04.839 the fall 00:41:04.839 --> 00:41:05.419 of Satan 00:41:05.419 --> 00:41:06.339 and the 00:41:06.339 --> 00:41:06.799 angels 00:41:06.799 --> 00:41:08.219 that brought 00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:08.839 the earth 00:41:08.839 --> 00:41:09.919 into formlessness 00:41:09.919 --> 00:41:11.199 and voidness 00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.219 thereby God 00:41:13.219 --> 00:41:14.659 recreating the 00:41:14.659 --> 00:41:15.759 world in 00:41:15.759 --> 00:41:16.500 six 24 00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:16.980 hour solar 00:41:16.980 --> 00:41:17.639 days in the 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:18.000 way that we 00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:18.500 experience it 00:41:18.500 --> 00:41:19.339 now and so 00:41:19.339 --> 00:41:20.799 any earlier 00:41:20.799 --> 00:41:22.000 age of 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:22.319 you know 00:41:22.319 --> 00:41:23.519 any dinosaurs 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:24.299 or anything 00:41:24.300 --> 00:41:25.000 like that 00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:25.440 that we 00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:26.019 find is 00:41:26.019 --> 00:41:26.800 evidence of 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:27.580 this earlier 00:41:27.580 --> 00:41:29.200 eons of 00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:30.060 history 00:41:30.060 --> 00:41:31.260 or even 00:41:31.260 --> 00:41:31.920 age of the 00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:32.580 universe 00:41:32.580 --> 00:41:33.400 of the 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:33.980 earth 00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:34.960 this is all 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:35.560 contained in 00:41:35.560 --> 00:41:36.100 that gap 00:41:36.100 --> 00:41:38.060 so this was 00:41:38.060 --> 00:41:38.560 actually a pretty 00:41:38.560 --> 00:41:39.700 popular view 00:41:39.700 --> 00:41:40.539 in the early 00:41:40.539 --> 00:41:42.120 20th century 00:41:42.120 --> 00:41:43.800 it's kind of 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:44.560 gone out of 00:41:44.560 --> 00:41:45.260 favor because 00:41:45.260 --> 00:41:46.700 a lot of 00:41:46.700 --> 00:41:48.560 there's a lot 00:41:48.560 --> 00:41:49.200 of grammatical 00:41:49.200 --> 00:41:49.960 arguments against 00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:50.200 it 00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:51.139 that there 00:41:51.139 --> 00:41:52.599 really isn't 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:53.039 a gap 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:53.619 understood 00:41:53.619 --> 00:41:54.500 in the 00:41:54.500 --> 00:41:54.939 text 00:41:54.939 --> 00:41:56.059 but that 00:41:56.059 --> 00:41:57.079 was a very 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:57.559 common view 00:41:57.559 --> 00:41:57.859 and there 00:41:57.859 --> 00:41:58.239 are people 00:41:58.239 --> 00:41:58.859 who still 00:41:58.859 --> 00:41:59.359 defend it 00:41:59.359 --> 00:41:59.619 today 00:41:59.619 --> 00:42:01.359 and then 00:42:01.359 --> 00:42:02.379 the last 00:42:02.379 --> 00:42:02.679 of our 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:03.379 ancient science 00:42:03.379 --> 00:42:03.899 interpretations 00:42:03.899 --> 00:42:04.639 is the 00:42:04.639 --> 00:42:05.099 day age 00:42:05.099 --> 00:42:05.359 theory 00:42:05.359 --> 00:42:06.659 so 00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:07.359 the 00:42:07.359 --> 00:42:09.460 Genesis 00:42:09.460 --> 00:42:10.019 account is 00:42:10.019 --> 00:42:10.719 describing how 00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:11.339 God created 00:42:11.339 --> 00:42:12.179 but they 00:42:12.179 --> 00:42:12.719 understand the 00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:13.379 word day 00:42:13.379 --> 00:42:14.619 not to mean 00:42:14.619 --> 00:42:15.480 24 hour 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:16.579 solar day 00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:17.779 but to mean 00:42:17.779 --> 00:42:19.619 day in the 00:42:19.619 --> 00:42:20.340 more generic 00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:21.239 term like 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:22.340 in the day 00:42:22.340 --> 00:42:23.000 of the Lord 00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:23.759 right 00:42:23.759 --> 00:42:24.239 in the day 00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:24.599 of the Lord 00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:25.319 is not 24 hour 00:42:25.319 --> 00:42:26.119 period right 00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:26.840 it's just this 00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:27.819 period of time 00:42:27.819 --> 00:42:28.599 and they would 00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:29.119 say okay 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:30.000 we can understand 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:30.880 the word day 00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:31.759 to mean a period 00:42:31.759 --> 00:42:32.199 of time 00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:32.840 and so each 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:33.400 one of the 00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:34.460 creation days 00:42:34.460 --> 00:42:35.420 is a long 00:42:35.420 --> 00:42:36.420 age 00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:37.840 but 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:38.739 the account 00:42:38.739 --> 00:42:39.360 of what goes 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:40.059 on in that 00:42:40.059 --> 00:42:41.000 age is basically 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:41.779 how it's described 00:42:41.779 --> 00:42:43.920 so that is 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:44.699 sort of a 00:42:44.699 --> 00:42:45.440 very common 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:46.119 view of 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:46.759 old earth 00:42:46.759 --> 00:42:47.500 creationism 00:42:47.500 --> 00:42:48.139 okay 00:42:48.139 --> 00:42:50.159 alright 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:50.659 those are the 00:42:50.659 --> 00:42:51.219 ancient science 00:42:51.219 --> 00:42:51.659 interpretations 00:42:51.659 --> 00:42:52.319 those ones are 00:42:52.319 --> 00:42:53.380 trying to take 00:42:53.380 --> 00:42:54.539 the biblical text 00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:55.319 on how 00:42:55.319 --> 00:42:57.239 the 00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:58.319 take the 00:42:58.319 --> 00:42:58.900 biblical text 00:42:58.900 --> 00:42:59.819 and learn how 00:42:59.819 --> 00:43:00.759 creation happened 00:43:00.759 --> 00:43:01.619 and there's 00:43:01.619 --> 00:43:02.339 different ways of 00:43:02.339 --> 00:43:03.039 fitting that with 00:43:03.039 --> 00:43:03.719 modern science 00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:05.440 we now have 00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:06.440 creation poem 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:07.139 interpretations 00:43:07.139 --> 00:43:08.759 these 00:43:08.759 --> 00:43:10.039 say 00:43:10.039 --> 00:43:10.559 that what 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:11.159 brings these 00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:11.719 together is that 00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:12.079 there are 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:13.159 they would believe 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:13.619 that there are 00:43:13.619 --> 00:43:14.659 figures of speech 00:43:14.659 --> 00:43:15.920 literary conventions 00:43:15.920 --> 00:43:17.000 in the text 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:17.940 and that 00:43:17.940 --> 00:43:19.700 the text is not 00:43:19.700 --> 00:43:20.579 trying to explain 00:43:20.579 --> 00:43:21.539 to us how 00:43:21.539 --> 00:43:22.260 God created 00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:22.840 as much as 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:23.820 what God did 00:43:23.820 --> 00:43:24.659 when he created 00:43:24.659 --> 00:43:26.059 and why 00:43:26.059 --> 00:43:27.039 okay 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:28.820 so views like 00:43:28.820 --> 00:43:29.139 this 00:43:29.139 --> 00:43:29.860 views 00:43:29.860 --> 00:43:31.519 under this category 00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:32.019 would be 00:43:32.019 --> 00:43:32.559 stuff like 00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:33.340 the analogical 00:43:33.340 --> 00:43:33.880 day theory 00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:35.280 this view says 00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:36.360 that the Bible 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:37.139 is actually using 00:43:37.139 --> 00:43:38.340 analogical language 00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:39.360 to describe God's 00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:40.059 creative activity 00:43:40.059 --> 00:43:41.180 as if he was a 00:43:41.180 --> 00:43:42.240 craftsman in his 00:43:42.240 --> 00:43:43.340 regular work week 00:43:43.340 --> 00:43:44.340 right 00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:45.120 the crowd 00:43:45.120 --> 00:43:45.420 you know 00:43:45.420 --> 00:43:46.640 God the craftsman 00:43:46.640 --> 00:43:47.200 wakes up 00:43:47.200 --> 00:43:48.400 day one he works 00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:49.380 evening and morning 00:43:49.380 --> 00:43:51.019 day two he works 00:43:51.019 --> 00:43:51.980 evening and morning 00:43:51.980 --> 00:43:53.140 and then day seven 00:43:53.140 --> 00:43:54.400 is his sabbath rest 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:54.940 right 00:43:54.940 --> 00:43:55.900 so just kind of like 00:43:55.900 --> 00:43:56.240 the 00:43:56.240 --> 00:43:57.920 the regular work week 00:43:57.920 --> 00:43:58.920 of a person 00:43:58.920 --> 00:43:59.800 so it's using an 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:00.220 analogy 00:44:00.220 --> 00:44:01.680 so the days 00:44:01.680 --> 00:44:02.579 in this situation 00:44:02.579 --> 00:44:03.600 would be 24 hour 00:44:03.600 --> 00:44:04.200 solar days 00:44:04.200 --> 00:44:04.539 but they're 00:44:04.539 --> 00:44:05.840 not meant to be 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:06.600 taken literally 00:44:06.600 --> 00:44:07.240 they're meant to be 00:44:07.240 --> 00:44:07.800 taken as an 00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:08.360 analogy of 00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:09.220 God's activity 00:44:09.219 --> 00:44:13.079 the framework 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:13.399 view 00:44:13.399 --> 00:44:14.259 is another one 00:44:14.259 --> 00:44:14.659 of these 00:44:14.659 --> 00:44:15.719 creation poem 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:16.359 interpretations 00:44:16.359 --> 00:44:17.779 they see that 00:44:17.779 --> 00:44:19.439 forming and 00:44:19.439 --> 00:44:20.579 filling pattern 00:44:20.579 --> 00:44:21.159 that we see in 00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:21.799 Genesis 1 00:44:21.799 --> 00:44:23.079 and then we say 00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:23.459 oh 00:44:23.459 --> 00:44:25.079 this framework 00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:25.599 then 00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.379 is indicating 00:44:27.379 --> 00:44:28.199 to us 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:28.579 there's a 00:44:28.579 --> 00:44:29.619 disc chronology 00:44:29.619 --> 00:44:29.919 here 00:44:29.919 --> 00:44:30.599 we're not 00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:31.059 supposed to be 00:44:31.059 --> 00:44:31.519 meant to be 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:32.099 taking these 00:44:32.099 --> 00:44:32.919 days 00:44:32.919 --> 00:44:34.119 sequence literally 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:35.179 and so 00:44:35.179 --> 00:44:35.879 that gives 00:44:35.879 --> 00:44:36.259 them a lot 00:44:36.259 --> 00:44:36.819 of play 00:44:36.819 --> 00:44:39.059 in how 00:44:39.059 --> 00:44:39.619 God created 00:44:39.619 --> 00:44:40.440 they're saying 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:41.099 this is telling 00:44:41.099 --> 00:44:41.599 us what 00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:42.219 but the 00:44:42.219 --> 00:44:42.840 sequence isn't 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:43.139 meant to be 00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:43.599 taken as a 00:44:43.599 --> 00:44:43.880 history 00:44:43.880 --> 00:44:44.239 it's meant to 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.860 be taken as 00:44:44.860 --> 00:44:45.980 a poem 00:44:45.980 --> 00:44:46.840 or a 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:47.799 literary convention 00:44:47.799 --> 00:44:48.380 that's supposed 00:44:48.380 --> 00:44:49.219 to be conveying 00:44:49.219 --> 00:44:50.779 what God 00:44:50.779 --> 00:44:51.639 did but 00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:52.519 not exactly 00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:53.019 how he did 00:44:53.019 --> 00:44:53.539 it 00:44:53.539 --> 00:44:55.500 finally 00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:57.559 we have our 00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:58.360 religion only 00:44:58.360 --> 00:44:58.920 interpretations 00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:00.699 these views 00:45:00.699 --> 00:45:02.500 they're connected 00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:03.279 by the belief 00:45:03.279 --> 00:45:03.779 that the 00:45:03.779 --> 00:45:04.460 Genesis narrative 00:45:04.460 --> 00:45:05.599 is not meant 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:06.159 to be understood 00:45:06.159 --> 00:45:07.659 what God's 00:45:07.659 --> 00:45:07.980 creating 00:45:07.980 --> 00:45:08.440 or 00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:10.019 what God 00:45:10.019 --> 00:45:10.659 did in 00:45:10.659 --> 00:45:10.920 creation 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:11.280 or even 00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:11.539 how 00:45:11.539 --> 00:45:13.280 not how 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:13.820 not even 00:45:13.820 --> 00:45:14.139 what 00:45:14.139 --> 00:45:14.900 but just 00:45:14.900 --> 00:45:15.519 who 00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:16.059 created 00:45:16.059 --> 00:45:16.780 and why 00:45:16.780 --> 00:45:18.880 so you're 00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:19.200 not really 00:45:19.200 --> 00:45:19.659 meant to 00:45:19.659 --> 00:45:20.380 take any 00:45:20.380 --> 00:45:22.900 knowledge about 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Warfield 00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:50.360 was a gap 00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:50.880 theorist 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:52.119 okay 00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:53.639 there were a 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:53.940 lot of 00:49:53.940 --> 00:49:54.480 old earth 00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:55.059 creationists 00:49:55.059 --> 00:49:55.619 in the 00:49:55.619 --> 00:49:57.059 fundamentals book 00:49:57.059 --> 00:49:57.759 at the start 00:49:57.759 --> 00:49:58.000 of the 00:49:58.000 --> 00:49:58.719 fundamentalist 00:49:58.719 --> 00:49:59.119 movement 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:00.079 there are a 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:00.440 lot of 00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:00.980 wise 00:50:00.980 --> 00:50:01.759 and 00:50:01.759 --> 00:50:02.779 virtuous 00:50:02.779 --> 00:50:03.299 young earth 00:50:03.299 --> 00:50:03.860 creationists 00:50:03.860 --> 00:50:04.239 out there 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:05.699 so I 00:50:05.699 --> 00:50:05.939 think 00:50:05.939 --> 00:50:06.759 we want 00:50:06.759 --> 00:50:07.019 to come 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00:51:52.539 and it's 00:51:52.539 --> 00:51:53.219 these exact 00:51:53.219 --> 00:51:53.679 questions 00:51:53.679 --> 00:51:54.259 there's 00:51:54.259 --> 00:51:54.900 nothing new 00:51:54.900 --> 00:51:55.279 under the 00:51:55.279 --> 00:51:55.559 sun 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:56.940 the ancient 00:51:56.940 --> 00:51:57.219 church 00:51:57.219 --> 00:51:58.119 also looked 00:51:58.119 --> 00:51:58.320 at it 00:51:58.320 --> 00:51:58.699 and said 00:51:58.699 --> 00:52:00.019 man 00:52:00.019 --> 00:52:00.400 light 00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:01.300 is before 00:52:01.300 --> 00:52:02.099 the sun 00:52:02.099 --> 00:52:02.960 that doesn't 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:03.860 make any 00:52:03.860 --> 00:52:04.259 sense 00:52:04.259 --> 00:52:06.099 but why 00:52:06.099 --> 00:52:06.460 would God 00:52:06.460 --> 00:52:07.119 turn on 00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:07.519 the light 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:08.039 and then 00:52:08.039 --> 00:52:08.460 turn off 00:52:08.460 --> 00:52:08.860 the light 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00:52:21.960 in different 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:22.300 ways 00:52:22.300 --> 00:52:22.880 so I'm not 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:23.220 trying to say 00:52:23.220 --> 00:52:23.539 there's only 00:52:23.539 --> 00:52:24.000 one answer 00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:24.660 but the 00:52:24.660 --> 00:52:25.760 same issues 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:26.360 why does 00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:26.800 day seven 00:52:26.800 --> 00:52:27.200 not have 00:52:27.200 --> 00:52:27.500 an evening 00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:27.740 and a 00:52:27.740 --> 00:52:27.960 morning 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.360 why is 00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:31.100 day two 00:52:31.100 --> 00:52:31.519 creation 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:31.860 event 00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:32.440 starting 00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:33.700 with there 00:52:33.700 --> 00:52:34.019 was no 00:52:34.019 --> 00:52:34.360 plant 00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:35.220 in the 00:52:35.220 --> 00:52:35.539 field 00:52:35.539 --> 00:52:36.720 and human 00:52:36.720 --> 00:52:37.019 beings 00:52:37.019 --> 00:52:37.280 are being 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:37.620 created 00:52:37.620 --> 00:52:39.000 but plants 00:52:39.000 --> 00:52:39.300 were made 00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:39.600 on day 00:52:39.600 --> 00:52:39.920 three 00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:40.900 and this 00:52:40.900 --> 00:52:41.180 is day 00:52:41.180 --> 00:52:41.600 six 00:52:41.600 --> 00:52:42.480 so 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.880 for these 00:52:43.880 --> 00:52:44.240 reasons 00:52:44.240 --> 00:52:44.720 textual 00:52:44.720 --> 00:52:45.100 reasons 00:52:45.100 --> 00:52:45.519 different 00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:46.220 people over 00:52:46.220 --> 00:52:46.680 time have 00:52:46.680 --> 00:52:47.140 taken different 00:52:47.140 --> 00:52:47.460 views 00:52:47.460 --> 00:52:48.659 but 00:52:48.659 --> 00:52:51.380 ultimately 00:52:51.380 --> 00:52:52.900 I'm not 00:52:52.900 --> 00:52:53.199 here to 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:53.460 say 00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:54.199 you should 00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:54.559 take my 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00:53:07.440 want to 00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:07.639 learn 00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:07.800 about 00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:07.900 the 00:53:07.900 --> 00:53:08.280 patristic 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:08.740 views 00:53:08.740 --> 00:53:09.119 you have 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:09.460 the early 00:53:09.460 --> 00:53:09.940 Christian 00:53:09.940 --> 00:53:10.519 readings 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:10.680 of 00:53:10.680 --> 00:53:10.940 Genesis 00:53:10.940 --> 00:53:11.260 1 00:53:11.260 --> 00:53:11.980 there's 00:53:11.980 --> 00:53:12.240 a lot 00:53:12.240 --> 00:53:12.639 of great 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:13.200 books out 00:53:13.200 --> 00:53:13.539 there 00:53:13.539 --> 00:53:14.680 lost world 00:53:14.680 --> 00:53:14.820 of 00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:15.059 Genesis 00:53:15.059 --> 00:53:15.380 1 00:53:15.380 --> 00:53:15.660 by 00:53:15.660 --> 00:53:16.360 John 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:16.660 Walton 00:53:16.660 --> 00:53:16.960 that will 00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:17.160 give you 00:53:17.160 --> 00:53:17.280 the 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:17.700 kingdom 00:53:17.700 --> 00:53:18.119 temple 00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:18.460 view 00:53:18.460 --> 00:53:21.280 and so 00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:22.099 for 00:53:22.099 --> 00:53:22.980 answers in 00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:23.240 Genesis 00:53:23.240 --> 00:53:23.579 if you 00:53:23.579 --> 00:53:23.760 want to 00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:24.019 learn about 00:53:24.019 --> 00:53:24.199 young 00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:24.780 creationism 00:53:24.780 --> 00:53:27.240 there you 00:53:27.240 --> 00:53:27.360 go 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:27.639 Meredith 00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:28.079 Kline 00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:29.099 there's a 00:53:29.099 --> 00:53:29.940 lot of 00:53:29.940 --> 00:53:30.559 great 00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:30.860 research 00:53:30.860 --> 00:53:31.179 out there 00:53:31.179 --> 00:53:31.519 to learn 00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:31.880 but I 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:32.400 hope we 00:53:32.400 --> 00:53:32.840 can come 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:33.260 to this 00:53:33.260 --> 00:53:34.240 with a 00:53:34.240 --> 00:53:34.519 sense of 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:34.840 humility 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:35.260 understanding 00:53:35.260 --> 00:53:35.619 that we're 00:53:35.619 --> 00:53:36.119 in a 00:53:36.119 --> 00:53:36.519 great 00:53:36.519 --> 00:53:37.039 company 00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:38.139 of people 00:53:38.139 --> 00:53:39.179 who all 00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:39.599 disagreed 00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:39.880 with each 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:40.099 other 00:53:40.099 --> 00:53:41.179 and are 00:53:41.179 --> 00:53:41.639 just 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:41.960 trying to 00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:42.099 do 00:53:42.099 --> 00:53:42.460 justice 00:53:42.460 --> 00:53:42.920 as they 00:53:42.920 --> 00:53:43.380 see it 00:53:43.380 --> 00:53:43.760 to the 00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:44.119 creation 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:44.579 narrative 00:53:44.579 --> 00:53:45.260 right 00:53:45.260 --> 00:53:46.760 okay 00:53:46.760 --> 00:53:48.039 yeah 00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:48.840 any 00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:49.360 questions 00:53:49.360 --> 00:53:50.519 I'm 00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:50.800 done 00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:51.320 so 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:51.719 questions 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:52.159 question 00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:52.500 time 00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:53.219 justice 00:53:53.219 --> 00:53:53.460 lay it 00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:54.380 on me 00:53:54.380 --> 00:53:55.400 I have a 00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:55.579 couple 00:53:55.579 --> 00:53:56.019 questions 00:53:56.019 --> 00:54:00.039 I'm curious 00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:00.380 when you 00:54:00.380 --> 00:54:00.860 think about 00:54:00.860 --> 00:54:01.360 kind of 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:01.679 the 00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:02.420 epistemology 00:54:02.420 --> 00:54:02.860 behind 00:54:02.860 --> 00:54:03.980 what you 00:54:03.980 --> 00:54:04.400 do in 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:04.759 science 00:54:04.759 --> 00:54:05.699 and how 00:54:05.699 --> 00:54:06.119 you 00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:06.940 approach 00:54:06.940 --> 00:54:07.440 scripture 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.619 looking at 00:54:10.619 --> 00:54:10.900 the world 00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:11.599 scientifically 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:12.179 we know 00:54:12.179 --> 00:54:13.279 the scientific 00:54:13.279 --> 00:54:13.860 model 00:54:13.860 --> 00:54:14.159 has 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:15.119 certainty 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:15.940 attached to 00:54:15.940 --> 00:54:16.079 it 00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:16.259 right 00:54:16.259 --> 00:54:16.800 yeah 00:54:16.800 --> 00:54:17.720 when we 00:54:17.720 --> 00:54:17.900 read 00:54:17.900 --> 00:54:18.380 scripture 00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:19.660 it seems 00:54:19.660 --> 00:54:20.000 like there 00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:20.700 is uncertainty 00:54:20.700 --> 00:54:21.420 there too 00:54:21.420 --> 00:54:22.420 I mean 00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:22.660 you see 00:54:22.660 --> 00:54:22.900 Jesus' 00:54:23.060 --> 00:54:23.500 disciples 00:54:23.500 --> 00:54:24.160 are uncertain 00:54:24.160 --> 00:54:24.600 about a lot 00:54:24.600 --> 00:54:25.080 of things 00:54:25.080 --> 00:54:26.720 you know 00:54:26.720 --> 00:54:27.300 Job 00:54:27.300 --> 00:54:28.760 and other 00:54:28.760 --> 00:54:29.200 prophets 00:54:29.200 --> 00:54:30.580 but then 00:54:30.580 --> 00:54:30.920 on the other 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:31.160 hand 00:54:31.160 --> 00:54:31.480 you have 00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:32.200 people like 00:54:32.200 --> 00:54:33.019 Luke saying 00:54:33.019 --> 00:54:34.140 you know 00:54:34.140 --> 00:54:34.800 I'm 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:35.960 like you're 00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:36.600 the theophilus 00:54:36.600 --> 00:54:37.100 this is 00:54:37.100 --> 00:54:38.019 so that 00:54:38.019 --> 00:54:38.539 you can have 00:54:38.539 --> 00:54:38.960 certainty 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:39.660 about the things 00:54:39.660 --> 00:54:39.960 that you've 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:40.480 been taught 00:54:40.480 --> 00:54:41.780 so I'm 00:54:41.780 --> 00:54:42.060 wondering 00:54:42.060 --> 00:54:42.620 how do you 00:54:42.620 --> 00:54:43.120 think about 00:54:43.120 --> 00:54:43.920 certainty 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:44.920 versus uncertainty 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:47.079 you look at 00:54:47.079 --> 00:54:48.680 general revelation 00:54:48.680 --> 00:54:49.260 through different 00:54:49.260 --> 00:54:49.559 lens 00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:49.840 than you 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:50.180 look at 00:54:50.180 --> 00:54:50.760 scripture 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:51.220 or do you 00:54:51.220 --> 00:54:51.680 find that 00:54:51.680 --> 00:54:51.940 they're 00:54:51.940 --> 00:54:53.340 more similar 00:54:53.340 --> 00:54:53.780 than that 00:54:53.780 --> 00:54:54.900 so I 00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:56.820 tend to have 00:54:56.820 --> 00:54:57.780 a very low 00:54:57.780 --> 00:54:58.280 view 00:54:58.280 --> 00:54:59.539 of 00:54:59.539 --> 00:55:00.579 the 00:55:00.579 --> 00:55:01.500 ability of 00:55:01.500 --> 00:55:02.000 human beings 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:02.619 to gain 00:55:02.619 --> 00:55:03.720 certainty 00:55:03.720 --> 00:55:05.320 my 00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:06.240 this has 00:55:06.240 --> 00:55:06.920 been 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:07.740 driven to me 00:55:07.740 --> 00:55:08.380 by being a 00:55:08.380 --> 00:55:08.680 scientist 00:55:08.680 --> 00:55:09.900 okay 00:55:09.900 --> 00:55:11.460 we have this 00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:12.139 popular view 00:55:12.139 --> 00:55:12.659 of science 00:55:12.659 --> 00:55:13.579 those are the 00:55:13.579 --> 00:55:13.859 people who 00:55:13.859 --> 00:55:14.559 know things 00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:16.239 but for all 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:16.659 those of us 00:55:16.659 --> 00:55:16.859 who are 00:55:16.859 --> 00:55:17.219 scientifically 00:55:17.219 --> 00:55:17.739 trained 00:55:17.739 --> 00:55:18.179 we know 00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:19.039 that basically 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:19.539 what we 00:55:19.539 --> 00:55:20.579 learn is 00:55:20.579 --> 00:55:21.399 how often 00:55:21.399 --> 00:55:21.799 we're all 00:55:21.799 --> 00:55:22.399 wrong about 00:55:22.399 --> 00:55:22.779 everything 00:55:22.779 --> 00:55:24.059 and how many 00:55:24.059 --> 00:55:24.719 different ways 00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:25.319 there is to 00:55:25.319 --> 00:55:26.219 explain different 00:55:26.219 --> 00:55:26.659 phenomenon 00:55:26.659 --> 00:55:28.199 and so 00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:29.259 a lot of 00:55:29.259 --> 00:55:29.859 times we come 00:55:29.859 --> 00:55:30.399 to things 00:55:30.399 --> 00:55:31.299 with sort of 00:55:31.299 --> 00:55:31.859 like you said 00:55:31.859 --> 00:55:32.799 a particular 00:55:32.799 --> 00:55:33.879 model in mind 00:55:33.879 --> 00:55:34.940 sort of a 00:55:34.940 --> 00:55:36.119 hypothetical model 00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:37.299 hypothesis about 00:55:37.299 --> 00:55:38.839 what is going 00:55:38.839 --> 00:55:39.399 on and we 00:55:39.399 --> 00:55:40.339 take the 00:55:40.339 --> 00:55:41.099 information we get 00:55:41.099 --> 00:55:41.659 and we test it 00:55:41.659 --> 00:55:42.179 against it 00:55:42.179 --> 00:55:43.059 and we try 00:55:43.059 --> 00:55:43.699 to see if it 00:55:43.699 --> 00:55:44.319 fits or doesn't 00:55:44.319 --> 00:55:44.980 fit but a lot 00:55:44.980 --> 00:55:45.379 of times it 00:55:45.379 --> 00:55:45.879 doesn't fit 00:55:45.879 --> 00:55:46.379 and it doesn't 00:55:46.379 --> 00:55:46.960 mean we toss 00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:47.480 out the model 00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:48.819 sometimes it 00:55:48.819 --> 00:55:49.299 doesn't fit 00:55:49.299 --> 00:55:49.719 and we're just 00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:50.399 like this is 00:55:50.399 --> 00:55:50.819 strange 00:55:50.819 --> 00:55:51.779 right 00:55:51.779 --> 00:55:52.879 and I think 00:55:52.879 --> 00:55:53.739 this is also 00:55:53.739 --> 00:55:54.159 true of 00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:54.379 scripture 00:55:54.379 --> 00:55:54.879 I mean I 00:55:54.879 --> 00:55:55.779 think when 00:55:55.779 --> 00:55:56.179 it comes to 00:55:56.179 --> 00:55:56.619 certainty 00:55:56.619 --> 00:55:57.659 there are some 00:55:57.659 --> 00:55:58.119 things that are 00:55:58.119 --> 00:55:59.179 very clear and 00:55:59.179 --> 00:55:59.579 certain in 00:55:59.579 --> 00:55:59.819 scripture 00:55:59.819 --> 00:56:00.659 right 00:56:00.659 --> 00:56:02.079 the resurrection 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:02.739 of Jesus 00:56:02.739 --> 00:56:03.719 like there's 00:56:03.719 --> 00:56:05.000 no ambiguity 00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:05.739 about that 00:56:05.739 --> 00:56:06.079 right 00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:07.139 the 00:56:07.139 --> 00:56:08.579 historicity 00:56:08.579 --> 00:56:09.960 of the 00:56:09.960 --> 00:56:10.659 apostle Paul 00:56:10.659 --> 00:56:12.039 like these 00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:12.339 are things 00:56:12.339 --> 00:56:12.679 that we're 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:13.219 not really 00:56:13.219 --> 00:56:14.000 arguing about 00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:15.159 but there 00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:15.960 is in 00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:16.659 prophecy 00:56:16.659 --> 00:56:19.039 in a lot 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:19.480 of the ancient 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:19.940 narratives there 00:56:19.940 --> 00:56:20.599 are things that 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:21.219 they just don't 00:56:21.219 --> 00:56:21.920 give us all 00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:22.480 the information 00:56:22.480 --> 00:56:23.799 it's kind of 00:56:23.799 --> 00:56:24.559 known that 00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:27.000 the Hebraic 00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:28.159 Bible gives 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:29.519 you sort of 00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:30.119 just blow by 00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:30.759 blow action 00:56:30.759 --> 00:56:31.420 a lot of 00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:31.920 times and 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:32.319 doesn't really 00:56:32.319 --> 00:56:32.799 give you a lot 00:56:32.799 --> 00:56:33.179 of detail 00:56:33.179 --> 00:56:33.920 like what was 00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:34.359 this person 00:56:34.359 --> 00:56:34.779 thinking 00:56:34.779 --> 00:56:36.099 am I meant 00:56:36.099 --> 00:56:36.639 to understand 00:56:36.639 --> 00:56:37.299 this as being 00:56:37.299 --> 00:56:37.899 a good act 00:56:37.899 --> 00:56:38.399 or a bad 00:56:38.399 --> 00:56:38.739 act 00:56:38.739 --> 00:56:39.739 right 00:56:39.739 --> 00:56:40.299 is God 00:56:40.299 --> 00:56:40.799 telling me 00:56:40.799 --> 00:56:41.119 that this 00:56:41.119 --> 00:56:41.459 is something 00:56:41.459 --> 00:56:41.839 I should 00:56:41.839 --> 00:56:42.319 model 00:56:42.319 --> 00:56:42.779 or is this 00:56:42.779 --> 00:56:43.159 something I 00:56:43.159 --> 00:56:43.479 shouldn't 00:56:43.479 --> 00:56:43.779 model 00:56:43.779 --> 00:56:44.979 and a lot 00:56:44.979 --> 00:56:45.359 of times 00:56:45.359 --> 00:56:46.059 wisdom 00:56:46.059 --> 00:56:47.239 is found 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:47.899 in we 00:56:47.899 --> 00:56:48.379 as the 00:56:48.379 --> 00:56:48.719 collective 00:56:48.719 --> 00:56:49.239 church 00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:49.959 and collective 00:56:49.959 --> 00:56:50.519 interpreters 00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:51.579 working through 00:56:51.579 --> 00:56:52.139 these issues 00:56:52.139 --> 00:56:52.559 together 00:56:52.559 --> 00:56:53.739 with the aid 00:56:53.739 --> 00:56:54.279 of history 00:56:54.279 --> 00:56:54.679 and other 00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:55.219 elements 00:56:55.219 --> 00:56:56.039 biblical 00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:56.579 understanding 00:56:56.579 --> 00:56:56.919 biblical 00:56:56.919 --> 00:56:57.379 languages 00:56:57.379 --> 00:56:57.759 etc 00:56:57.759 --> 00:56:59.299 we can work 00:56:59.299 --> 00:56:59.639 on these 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:00.099 to gain 00:57:00.099 --> 00:57:00.699 a better 00:57:00.699 --> 00:57:01.679 grasp of 00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:02.000 certainty 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:02.519 but I think 00:57:02.519 --> 00:57:02.839 we need to 00:57:02.839 --> 00:57:03.299 have an 00:57:03.299 --> 00:57:03.799 open hand 00:57:03.799 --> 00:57:04.179 on those 00:57:04.179 --> 00:57:04.599 things 00:57:04.599 --> 00:57:05.619 that 00:57:05.619 --> 00:57:06.759 there is 00:57:06.759 --> 00:57:07.500 widespread 00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:08.619 disagreement 00:57:08.619 --> 00:57:08.980 on 00:57:08.980 --> 00:57:10.019 where we 00:57:10.019 --> 00:57:10.559 all understand 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:10.860 this is 00:57:10.860 --> 00:57:11.139 hard 00:57:11.139 --> 00:57:11.860 we don't 00:57:11.860 --> 00:57:12.339 really know 00:57:12.339 --> 00:57:12.819 exactly how 00:57:12.819 --> 00:57:13.139 to understand 00:57:13.139 --> 00:57:13.480 this 00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:14.559 and those 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:14.880 things 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:15.239 we need to 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:15.480 have a 00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:16.279 closed fist 00:57:16.279 --> 00:57:16.739 maybe that 00:57:16.739 --> 00:57:17.259 sounds bad 00:57:17.259 --> 00:57:18.199 but a 00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:19.239 firm grasp 00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:20.319 on those 00:57:20.319 --> 00:57:20.900 things that 00:57:20.900 --> 00:57:21.380 are clear 00:57:21.380 --> 00:57:21.940 to everybody 00:57:21.940 --> 00:57:23.000 those things 00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:23.199 that are 00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:23.599 nice in 00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:24.299 orthodoxy 00:57:24.299 --> 00:57:24.860 those things 00:57:24.860 --> 00:57:25.339 that we can 00:57:25.339 --> 00:57:26.259 describe in 00:57:26.259 --> 00:57:26.679 creeds and 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:27.139 confessions 00:57:27.139 --> 00:57:29.159 that are the 00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:29.699 essentials of the 00:57:29.699 --> 00:57:30.299 faith as 00:57:30.299 --> 00:57:30.779 Raul would 00:57:30.779 --> 00:57:31.059 say 00:57:31.059 --> 00:57:31.719 that have 00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:32.339 salvific 00:57:32.339 --> 00:57:32.880 import 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:33.740 right 00:57:33.740 --> 00:57:34.820 but for 00:57:34.820 --> 00:57:35.119 these other 00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:35.720 things I 00:57:35.720 --> 00:57:35.920 think we 00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:36.220 can take 00:57:36.220 --> 00:57:38.019 a more 00:57:38.019 --> 00:57:38.500 humility 00:57:38.500 --> 00:57:39.480 humble 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:39.980 approach 00:57:39.980 --> 00:57:41.180 alright that's 00:57:41.180 --> 00:57:41.519 it guys 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:41.920 we gotta get 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:42.480 downstairs to 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:42.720 worship 00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:43.880 I hope 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:44.740 that we 00:57:44.740 --> 00:57:45.480 eventually get 00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:46.380 the idea that 00:57:46.380 --> 00:57:46.940 we can love 00:57:46.940 --> 00:57:47.420 and worship 00:57:47.420 --> 00:57:48.260 God from 00:57:48.260 --> 00:57:48.800 these days 00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:49.400 whatever they 00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:49.660 mean 00:57:49.660 --> 00:57:51.840 thanks guys 00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:53.980 thanks so 00:57:53.980 --> 00:57:54.180 much