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 I would like you to begin by turning in your Bible to a passage that we are going to study

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! together this morning in Numbers chapter 27. Before we actually go to the passage, there are

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! a couple practical things that I want to draw to your attention. First of all, I want you to know

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 that if you are inclined to text Caleb and Charity, Caleb and Charity are preaching this morning,

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 not here, but they are in the process of raising money for missions and for the work that they're

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 going to be doing in Jamaica. And so, if you want to text them right now, you'll find out whether

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 Caleb's phone is on because he's in church, and you go ahead and his phone will go off and it'll

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 be a lesson, won't it? And I was like, but you go ahead and let him know you're praying for him

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 because you're praying for me and I know you're doing that, and I'm heavily dependent on that,

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 and I know Caleb is as well. He is preaching at the church where his father is a pastor, and don't…

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 I trust at least that he gets about 15, 20 texts that say, hey, Caleb, Charity, we're praying for

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 you. We trust that God helps you in your ministry there and that you're encouraged by the opportunity

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 you have of being there at that church. Second thing I want you to know is that we are going to

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 have a business meeting on May 18th, May 18th, to look at the job description that is in your bulletin.

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 And we want you to pay careful attention to all that follows in relationship to that,

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 so you keep this matter in prayer. Now, I ask you to turn, if you would, to that passage in numbers,

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 and before we actually look at the passage, I want us to take some time in prayer and then let me give

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 you a little bit of background because I think it is very important. So let's pray together.

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 Father, this morning as I listened to the special music in particular,

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 I thought about the reminder that we cannot do anything without your help,

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 God, that our strength is in you, and that we, frail, insufficient in ourselves, can rely upon

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 your Spirit to lift up the name of Jesus, strengthen us for the tasks that we have,

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 cause us to grow in our affection for Christ and for one another, and have a genuine passion

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 for a world that needs Christ. So help us this morning that we would listen carefully,

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 that the sufficiency and the authority of the Scriptures would mark our path,

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 and that we would be pleasing to you. And I pray this in your precious name. Amen.

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 Generally, when I come to the pulpit, I mean, you pretty well know what I'm going to say.

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 I mean, I'm going to be in Ephesians. I'll say, let's turn to Ephesians such and such,

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 and you have a fairly good idea of where we're going to go from there.

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 I will be taking a different track this morning, and for you who are here for the baptismal service,

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 I'm thankful that you are here, and we will get to that part. But this is a little different than

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 a normal Sunday for us, not in the singing, because we love to blow the roof off. We think that when

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 people gather together that know Jesus, they ought not sit there looking like they're grumpy.

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 Do you follow what I'm saying? I mean, we ought to have fun saying,

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 Jesus, we love you, and we're pretty excited to sing about it. And we are going to be a people

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 that in our fellowship together are going to be governed by this book. And probably one of the

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 things you'll notice is that there are a lot of people running around here that are there with a

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 Bible. They have a Bible in their hand, and there's a reason for that. One of the things that

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 has characterized this fellowship over the years is our commitment to the Scriptures.

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 We believe that the Scriptures are really God's Word to us, and that they provide all that we need

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 for life and godliness. That's what Peter said when he wrote to the church. He said, hey, listen,

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 the Bible is what we have that gives us all that we need for life and godliness.

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 And our commitment here in this fellowship to the Scriptures is seen in so many little different ways.

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 For one, I already reflected on the fact that most of you here are carrying a copy of your Bible,

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 either in hard copy or electronically. And when I say, turn in your Bible,

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 you can go there, and you can, you know, and I am still looking for someone to write that app,

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 that when you hit that electronic little note, it goes, you know, so that I, a little older than some

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 of you others, take small comfort in the fact that I heard you turn, okay? But you have your Bibles

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 with you. Our songs are rooted in Scripture, and one of the things that I was doing as I was sitting

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 down there and just having a great time singing, I was multitasking. I was thinking about the words

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 of the song, and a couple of them, I don't know those words, but anyway, following along and still

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 trying to connect, what does the Bible say about that? Our dealings with one another are governed

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 by the Word. In the end, really, the things that we decide can be really tracked back to what the

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 Scriptures have to say. And it's no accident that our fellowship has been blessed by a history of open

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 and honest communication. An illustration of this would be that if you were to walk out in the lobby

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 after the morning service, you can see a record of our monthly giving and really every single expense

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 that we've had in this month. There it is tracked out for you. The only thing that is not there for

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 your public consideration is how the money that you have given to the deacons fund is dispersed.

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 And there's a reason for that. We don't think it's appropriate to know where some of the particular

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 needs are that we have responded to as a deacon, but as deacons and pastors. But apart from that,

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 everything is up there. Furthermore, after every monthly deacons meeting where the pastor and deacons

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 meet together on Saturday, what follows that is that you will have your watch care deacon on Wednesday

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 sit down with you and go over the outcome of that meeting. And there's a paper that you receive.

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 How many of you know the name of that paper? What is it called? It's called a 2020. How many of you

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 know where the term 2020 came from? Raise your hand and wave at me if you know. It came from Acts

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 chapter 20, verse 20. Strange thing about that, isn't that? You know, we're a Bible people, and so

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 even when it comes down to naming some of our documents, they're rooted in the Scriptures. Acts

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 2020, here's what it says. And at the top of the header on the 2020 that you will receive this

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 this coming Wednesday will be the little statement, I kept back nothing from you that was profitable.

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 And as a result of our commitment to follow the counsel of Scripture, we have made it part of our

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 fellowship that we are open and forthright, and we let you know where we are and what's going on and

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 why we're doing it. In addition to that, every time we have made a move, whether it has involved

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 changing our music style a little bit, or whether it's being a decision with church discipline,

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 or the matter of moving towards small groups, prior to our involving the congregation in that

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 has been that I have come to the pulpit as a pastor, and I have opened up the Word of God and said,

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 here is what the Scriptures have to say, and here is how we're going to apply it.

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 And this morning is no exception. Today, as in every other day, we want to be a people that depend

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 upon the Word. And so, before we actually go to our passage, let me ask that you turn to the paper

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 that was put in your bulletin. Now, I'm curious, just out of curiosity, how many of you actually have

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 read your bulletin now and know what is in it on this piece of paper? Raise your hand and wave at me.

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 It's great. What that tells me is I don't have to give announcements in the future because you're

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 a very well-informed congregation. But allow me, if I may, to read the first part.

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 It is the recommendation of your leadership that our fellowship approve the search for a man to serve

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 as Pastor Saul Green's replacement and as the potential successor to Pastor Knoyer on his future retirement.

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 Second, our thinking reflects, first, the heart of leadership that looks to make a profitable transition

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 to our future by adequate preparation and prayer. Second, three years that we have spent in prayerful

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 deliberation and research in transition or succession planning. Third, a desire to follow the model of

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 Scripture of discipling a man who would eventually, Lord willing, lead in our fellowship. Fourth,

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 a respect for the time that proper discipleship for leadership requires. Now, how's that for a way to

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 start a sermon? Because now you know pretty much what I'm going to say, don't you? But in keeping with

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 the character of this pulpit and our desire that the Word of God is preeminent and clear, I start out by

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 telling you what we're going to do, and I want to explain its premise on the structure of the Scripture

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 and allow you as a people to pray and consider carefully, and then ultimately when we come together

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 on May 18th, you have an opportunity to respond according to your prayerful consideration.

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 So, I want you to recognize that as with every other week, when I come to the pulpit,

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 my intention is this, is to explain what the Word of God has to say and ultimately put you on the spot

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 of saying yes or no to God. And I trust that in the days to follow, when you reflect back on our study

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 of the text this morning and our application of that text to our fellowship, that what you will say

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 is, I understand what God is looking for us to do, and I desire to follow Him. The first and most

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 important part of preaching is to make the issue clear of what God has said. What does God have to say?

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 And so, when a man stands in this pulpit, regardless of who it is, at the end of the day,

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 what you should walk away knowing is, I heard God's Word, and I understand what He wants from us.

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 Secondly, the second part of preaching is helping people see the connection between what God has

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 said already and what He wants from us as His people. So, we could say that preaching aims

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 to be clear about what God wants as well. With that in mind, I want you to now turn in your Bible

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 to Numbers chapter 27, and we are looking at a passage where we are looking into the life of

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 Moses at the very end of his life. Let me give you a little background so you understand where we're

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 coming from on this. You remember Moses had been born as a little baby and hidden and eventually

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 taken into the wife of the Pharaoh or the daughter of the Pharaoh, and he was cared for there, grew up in

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 Egypt, enjoyed all the blessings of that wonderful education and preeminence, and yet God intended

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 for him to have a different path than to be one of significance, an individual of significance in

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 the court of Pharaoh. He was taken out into the wilderness, and he spent another 40 years preparing.

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 He came back, and God gave him the responsibility of being the leader of His people. One of the things

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 that stands out in my thinking about Moses is that Moses, it would seem in his early life, was a man who

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 was rather full of himself and pretty persuaded that he could pull off whatever he thought and do it on

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 his own. After following sheep for 40 years and tapping them out the backside and moving them

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 around, he came back with a completely different attitude. In fact, when God says, hey, I'm sending

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 you to be the mouthpiece and to be the one who takes care of my people, his attitude was, not me, Lord,

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 find somebody else. But God made it clear, Moses, you're the one I'm going to leave, I'm going to use.

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 And for 40 years, his ministry to the nation of Israel was one that was marked by profound humility

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 and by tenderness and care. And all you have to do is read your way through the book of Exodus in

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 particular, and you'll find out over and over again, here was a man who had a heart for God's people.

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 He cared for them. Did he get angry at them? Yes, he did. And I will tell you frankly,

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 one of the things that marks our history together, one of the most significant moments in my life as

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 an adult was when we closed the Christian school here. It was a very hard decision. It was one that

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 was traumatic to me and traumatic to many people that I had loved very closely and had a close

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 relationship with. And in the midst of that, as the barbs and stones began to follow, how many of you

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 understand that sometimes not everybody is happy with all that you do, right? Do you understand that?

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 I found myself in my flesh beginning to want to be a little bit like James and John,

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 the sons of thunder. Do you remember the sons of thunder? They wanted to call down fire from heaven,

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 and I actually, if I'd had that privilege, you know, there may have been some toasty posties out

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 there, and I was… And then you know what? The Spirit of God reminded me, Tim,

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 Moses paid a very serious price for losing his temper with God's people. I never forgot that.

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 Moses lost his temper, and God said, you're not going into the promised land.

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 And where we are in our passage here in Numbers 27 is God says to Moses, they're right up against

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 the promised land, and God says to Moses, all right, you get a peak, and then you're done.

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 You get a peak, and then you're done. And so, I want you to think with me about what Moses teaches

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 us about the future. And as you look at this passage, one of the things that I want you to

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 notice is that as soon as God says to Moses, you're going to die, Moses doesn't go into apoplexy

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 about it, and, oh, Lord, you know, whining and carrying on, it's all right. And the next thing

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 out of his mouth is indicative of the heart that he had. Jim Berg, in his book about progressive

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 sanctification, he says this, you really can't blame hot water for the taste of the tea. I think

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 it's a nice little statement because what it's saying is this, is that pressure brings out what's

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 inside. Wouldn't you agree with that? I've had people say, I didn't mean to say that, or I just

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 let my anger get the best of me. And the truth of the matter is, is, yeah, all those things

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 may be true, but the fact of the matter is it had to be inside in order to come outside.

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 And here is Moses under that duress where he has received the notification of his execution

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 at the hand of God, I'm taking you home. And look at verse 15.

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 Moses spoke to the Lord saying, let the Lord, the God of the spirits of all flesh, appoint a man

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 over the congregation who shall go out before them and come in before them, who shall lead them

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 out and bring them in, that the congregation of the Lord may not be as sheep that have no shepherd.

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 That was Moses' heart. Do you follow that? Here he was receiving the announcement of the fact that he

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 was going to die at the hand of God because of the sin that he had committed. And what does Moses say?

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 He said, listen, I want you to be careful. Father, creator of all, I want you to provide for your people.

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 And I want you to understand that those who serve as shepherds of God's people

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 care about people and their future. Do you follow that?

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 Those who serve as shepherds of God's people care about people and their future.

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 Moses recognized that God's people would benefit from a godly, humble leader that was willing to do

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 what was necessary for the children of Israel. And by the way, just in case you don't remember,

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 how had the children of Israel followed Moses? Does anybody have an idea? Huh? I mean, they were

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 always giving him high fives and attaboys in the hallway. It's like, go for it, Moses. We love you.

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 You're the best, you know. Moses was catching it all the time. Do you understand that?

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 But his love for God translated into his love for people. And so when the time came for Moses to

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 leave, he says, hey, what I want is for you to provide for your people an adequate leader.

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 I want you to recognize that this characteristic in Moses is not unique to Moses.

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 And that if you were to track your way through the Scriptures, you are going to find that

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 one of the characteristics of those who have been appointed by God and are submissive to the

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 leadership of God in their life to be servants of the bride of Christ or of the people of God,

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 a characteristic of them is that they're interested in the well-being of others.

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 I think for a moment about a passage that has always stood in my mind as very significant to

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 pastoral ministry where Paul writes about Timothy in Philippians, and he says this,

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 I have no man who is like-minded who will naturally care for your estate. He says,

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 I can't think of anybody else that just kind of loves you flat out.

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 Everybody else is interested in their own agenda, their own outcome, their own advantage.

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 I got to tell you, as a sidebar every now and then, I've been at ministry now for going over

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 30 years, and one of the things that periodically I bump into is a younger man who will say to me,

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 oh, I have an opportunity to go to thus-and-so church, and standard question to me is, why are you

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 going? I got to tell you, it always really makes my hair go on end when I hear a person say, well,

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 it's a promotion for me. I think I have some advantages there. Now listen, I'm here because

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 God assigned me here, and when I came here, I came because God appointed me to be a shepherd in this

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 flock, and you have very graciously and tenderly allowed me to continue doing that, and I serve at

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 your pleasure, but also God's appointment. And one of the things that God called me to do was to come

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 here and love you and care for you and hold up the Scriptures and teach. I want you to see this model

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 of other leaders in particular interested in the well-being of God's people, and so I want you to turn

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 your Bible, if you would, now to Acts chapter 20. I referred to Paul's remark regarding Timothy,

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 but we are going to look now at Acts chapter 20 where we find the apostle. He had spent a number

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 of years actually teaching in the church at Ephesus, and you'll remember that eventually it ended up that

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 he was going to go to Rome, and he was going to appeal the judgment that had been brought against him

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 by false accusers, particularly by the Judaizers, and in making that appeal to go to Rome and to go to

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 Caesar, he had to leave the church there at Ephesus, and so he stops by and talks with them, and he meets

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 with them there to break bread and to talk with them before he leaves, and we see the scene in Acts

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 chapter 20, picking up there in verse 28 through 36. Let me just kind of touch on a couple highlights.

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 What Paul does, first of all, earlier in the passage is he explains the characteristic of the

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 ministry that he had had among God's people. He refers to the care and to the pattern that he had set,

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 but then he speaks very particularly to those who would someday in his absence care for the flock that God

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 had raised up, and so look with me, if you will, in verse 28. It says,

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 pay careful attention to yourself and to all the flock in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers

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 to care for the church of God, which he's obtained with his own blood.

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 You know what Paul was saying? Hey, guys, you need to pay attention to your own walk with Christ.

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 First, you need to pay attention to your own walk with Christ. At the end of the day,

00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:04.719
 spiritual leadership is never any better than their private personal walk with Christ. Does that make

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 sense? You can't be anything other than what you are. You can play the game on the surface for a short

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 period of time, but I think it was Abraham Lincoln that said you can fool most of the people most

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 of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. So who you are, you eventually display.

00:23:25.220 --> 00:23:32.039
 And Paul said this, you who are going to be leaders in the bride of Christ, shepherds to the flock of

00:23:32.039 --> 00:23:38.599
 God, you have to pay attention to your own walk. Interestingly, later in 2 Timothy,

00:23:38.599 --> 00:23:47.259
 1 Timothy, chapter 4, verse 16, when Paul writes to Timothy, he writes two different books to help

00:23:47.259 --> 00:23:52.379
 Timothy at his pastoral ministry. Timothy didn't get it first time. He has 2 Timothy as well.

00:23:53.139 --> 00:23:55.059
 1 Timothy chapter 4, it says this,

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 Take heed unto thyself and to the doctrine. Bear with me on King James here. That's the way I learned

00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:05.199
 it, but you know, take heed unto thyself and to the doctrine, for in doing so thou shalt save both

00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:12.960
 thyself and them that hear thee. Pay attention to your walk. And here is the apostle saying to those

00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.620
 he has gathered that are going to serve as shepherds of the bride of Christ. He says, listen,

00:24:17.799 --> 00:24:24.920
 you need to pay attention to your walk before God. And then in verse 32, listen to what it says,

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 And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace, which is able to build you up and to give

00:24:31.619 --> 00:24:41.119
 you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified. As Paul thinks about his conclusion

00:24:41.119 --> 00:24:49.239
 and his eventual departure, he says to the church, hey, listen, I want those who are leaders and I want

00:24:49.239 --> 00:24:55.119
 to remind them of their responsibility because they are the ones that are going to care for the flock of

00:24:55.119 --> 00:25:03.079
 God. And their responsibility is going to be to handle the word of God and live it in such a fashion that

00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:10.599
 God's people can follow. It's interesting, and I referred to this earlier, that actually

00:25:10.599 --> 00:25:18.159
 1 and 2 Timothy were written to Timothy to counsel him in his future ministry.

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 And there is a sense in which 1 Timothy is an overview of congregational relations and issues,

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 okay? Do you know what 2 Timothy is all about? It is very personal counsel to a guy who had been

00:25:39.120 --> 00:25:42.860
 given the responsibility but wasn't getting all the pieces connected.

00:25:42.859 --> 00:25:51.579
 Here it goes. I'm going to give you a free rendition just off the top of my head.

00:25:52.119 --> 00:26:00.599
 Paul starts out and he says, don't be a wuss. It's really amazing how God uses all different

00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.399
 kinds of personalities to call men into ministry. There's no one template.

00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:12.460
 And so here is the Spirit of God writing to Timothy and he says,

00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:18.640
 God has not given to us a spirit of fear. Now, why would Paul write that to Timothy?

00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:25.000
 Because Timothy probably had a little bit of anxiety about not making everybody happy all the time.

00:26:25.540 --> 00:26:27.700
 And can I tell you something? You can't do that.

00:26:27.700 --> 00:26:33.160
 And so Paul says, Tim, don't be a wuss.

00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:39.640
 And then he says this, 2 Timothy chapter 2, he says,

00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:43.120
 Thou therefore as a good soldier of Christ endure hardness.

00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:46.180
 Endure hardness.

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 Don't ever kid yourself.

00:26:54.180 --> 00:26:56.740
 Being a shepherd for God's people is not easy.

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 And that's not said with rancor or ill spirit. It's just a fact.

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 And if you're going to be a shepherd for God's people, you better suck it up and

00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:17.840
 handle the objections and the ill spirit and the frailty of other men and women

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 and do so with loving gentleness.

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 We find then that Paul says to Timothy, you stay focused on the Word.

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 And then thunder, chapter 4.

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 Paul says this, he says,

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 I charge you before the living and the dead that you are to preach the Word in season and out of season.

00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:44.180
 Do you follow that?

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 I got to tell you, we live in a day when in the days to come, it will be harder and harder to preach the Word.

00:27:54.200 --> 00:28:03.559
 I think about young men who are going into ministry today.

00:28:05.180 --> 00:28:08.980
 And I think about the battles that they are dealing with now.

00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:18.299
 That when I was a young man in seminary, I didn't think would ever hit the fan.

00:28:18.299 --> 00:28:23.039
 I never imagined

00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.899
 that a fair percentage of the individuals that we contacted

00:28:27.899 --> 00:28:31.359
 as we sought out a man to serve as a shepherd in this fellowship

00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:35.759
 would actually be disqualified because of their moral purity.

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 And they were actively involved in ministry in places.

00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:44.180
 I never imagined.

00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:46.919
 I never imagined.

00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:53.100
 I never imagined that I would minister with a congregation, truthfully,

00:28:53.560 --> 00:28:59.060
 that really viewed the Lord's Day as something that was kind of an add-on.

00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:00.480
 I mean, maybe I'll go, maybe I won't.

00:29:00.500 --> 00:29:02.259
 It all depends on whether my kids have a game.

00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:06.920
 I was talking with a pastor over in Dayton,

00:29:07.620 --> 00:29:11.140
 and we were talking about ministry,

00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.660
 and I just asked him a question about corporate prayer,

00:29:13.660 --> 00:29:15.460
 and, you know, we gave that up ten years ago.

00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:17.279
 Why?

00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:19.240
 Two things.

00:29:22.380 --> 00:29:25.019
 Work and sports.

00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:26.940
 I never imagined that.

00:29:26.940 --> 00:29:33.279
 I want you to understand when Paul says to Timothy,

00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:35.840
 you are to preach the word in season and out of season

00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:41.259
 because the day is coming when people will no longer endure sound doctrine.

00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:43.900
 He was saying to Tim, you do your job.

00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:51.779
 Well, Moses, Paul, but the best example is guess who?

00:29:51.779 --> 00:29:52.779
 Jesus.

00:29:52.779 --> 00:29:54.420
 I mean, that makes sense, doesn't it?

00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:59.960
 And so I want you to understand that when you think about planning for the future

00:29:59.960 --> 00:30:01.420
 and loving on God's people,

00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:03.639
 the clearest and undeniable illustration

00:30:03.639 --> 00:30:07.180
 is that Jesus poured His life into twelve men

00:30:07.180 --> 00:30:09.160
 that would be the future leaders of His church.

00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:14.940
 The majority of His time was really not spent preaching to the crowds

00:30:14.940 --> 00:30:19.380
 or healing the vast group of people that gathered around Him

00:30:19.380 --> 00:30:20.940
 or feeding the 5,000.

00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:25.519
 The majority of His time was spent caring for those twelve

00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.259
 that He would leave the rest to.

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 And so, in practical summary,

00:30:33.740 --> 00:30:36.859
 from our study of what Moses was concerned about

00:30:36.859 --> 00:30:38.619
 and what we see in the life of Paul

00:30:38.619 --> 00:30:40.180
 and what we see in the life of Christ,

00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:45.660
 we understand that those who love God's people

00:30:45.660 --> 00:30:51.099
 are interested in helping them in transitions.

00:30:51.099 --> 00:30:56.639
 And so I trust that you understand the Bible logic

00:30:56.639 --> 00:30:59.559
 of me

00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:06.099
 and every one of the pastors and deacons

00:31:06.099 --> 00:31:09.619
 coming to you with humility

00:31:09.619 --> 00:31:13.199
 and thoughtfulness and prayer

00:31:13.199 --> 00:31:15.159
 to say,

00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:17.579
 we want you to think about

00:31:17.579 --> 00:31:20.839
 the next man we call

00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:25.639
 being considered as the potential senior pastor

00:31:25.639 --> 00:31:27.659
 for this congregation.

00:31:30.220 --> 00:31:31.480
 So let's apply

00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.639
 what the Scriptures have dealt with

00:31:34.639 --> 00:31:36.859
 and let's kind of think it through a little bit more.

00:31:37.399 --> 00:31:37.579
 Okay?

00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.240
 And so, you probably have recognized already

00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.240
 that today is a little bit different.

00:31:44.699 --> 00:31:46.259
 Any of you that have been

00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:48.140
 long-standing members here know

00:31:48.140 --> 00:31:50.279
 that this is really the first time

00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.119
 that we have put a job description

00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:53.359
 in your bulletin.

00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:53.819
 Am I right?

00:31:54.539 --> 00:31:55.879
 The standard thing is,

00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.799
 hey, we're going to have a meeting

00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.359
 and our Constitution stipulates

00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:02.579
 that before…

00:32:02.579 --> 00:32:03.079
 By the way,

00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.079
 did you know that we are congregationally governed

00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:06.619
 and you're the ones who are deciders?

00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:09.200
 We're recommenders.

00:32:11.500 --> 00:32:12.420
 Now, by the way,

00:32:12.819 --> 00:32:14.220
 you put us in the situation

00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:15.339
 of being recommenders.

00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:17.799
 And so we walk to you

00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:18.220
 and we say,

00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:18.600
 hey, listen,

00:32:18.900 --> 00:32:19.680
 we've been praying

00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:20.759
 and studying about this

00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:21.579
 and thinking about this

00:32:21.579 --> 00:32:22.279
 for quite a while

00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:24.140
 and now we want you to think about it.

00:32:24.339 --> 00:32:25.500
 And this is the first time

00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:26.559
 we put it in your bulletin.

00:32:26.620 --> 00:32:27.839
 Normally, it's out there on the table.

00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:29.559
 Please go out there and grab one.

00:32:30.279 --> 00:32:32.480
 And, you know,

00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:33.180
 what happens is

00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:34.100
 we have a business meeting

00:32:34.100 --> 00:32:34.920
 and we talk about it.

00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.779
 In this case,

00:32:38.259 --> 00:32:40.220
 we put it in your bulletin

00:32:40.220 --> 00:32:41.380
 because we want you to be

00:32:41.380 --> 00:32:43.100
 well aware

00:32:43.100 --> 00:32:44.880
 of the significance

00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.560
 to you as a congregation

00:32:46.560 --> 00:32:47.640
 of what we are recommending.

00:32:49.600 --> 00:32:50.759
 I want you to notice

00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:52.060
 that there are parts

00:32:52.060 --> 00:32:53.980
 of the job description

00:32:53.980 --> 00:32:58.000
 that are pretty standard fare for us.

00:32:58.060 --> 00:32:59.900
 Let me see if I can find my copy of it here.

00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:02.140
 Where did it go?

00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:03.360
 I've got one.

00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:04.699
 Believe me, I have one.

00:33:05.659 --> 00:33:06.359
 Here it is.

00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:12.659
 If you look at the job description,

00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:13.479
 there's a part of it

00:33:13.479 --> 00:33:15.159
 that if you've been here

00:33:15.159 --> 00:33:16.779
 for any amount of time,

00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:21.159
 you know that it's just standard qualifications.

00:33:22.179 --> 00:33:23.219
 You could go back to

00:33:23.219 --> 00:33:26.099
 when this congregation called me.

00:33:27.379 --> 00:33:28.639
 Now, that was in the old days

00:33:28.639 --> 00:33:30.319
 when we used mimeographs, I think.

00:33:30.459 --> 00:33:31.299
 I know some of you are thinking

00:33:31.299 --> 00:33:33.720
 about spirit stuff on your fingers

00:33:33.720 --> 00:33:34.059
 or something.

00:33:34.139 --> 00:33:35.339
 Now, we actually had copiers

00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:36.279
 back in those days

00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:37.319
 and light bulbs too,

00:33:37.399 --> 00:33:39.619
 but this is, you know,

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.740
 the same, same.

00:33:41.859 --> 00:33:42.539
 It was all there.

00:33:42.639 --> 00:33:43.200
 You know, we said,

00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:44.700
 hey, we're looking for someone

00:33:44.700 --> 00:33:45.940
 who meets the qualifications

00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:48.799
 of 1 Timothy chapter 3 and Titus.

00:33:48.859 --> 00:33:49.759
 We're looking for a man

00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:50.500
 who meets,

00:33:50.639 --> 00:33:51.259
 let me say it again,

00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:52.680
 man who meets

00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:54.000
 the Bible qualifications

00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:54.759
 for leadership.

00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:57.660
 Second thing is that

00:33:57.660 --> 00:33:59.000
 he shall be in complete agreement

00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:00.180
 with the confession of faith.

00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:02.140
 Complete agreement.

00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:05.400
 I can't tell you

00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.160
 how many times

00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.360
 we talk to credible individuals

00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.719
 who in every other area,

00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:13.920
 their life,

00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:14.659
 their walk,

00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:17.099
 credible individuals

00:34:17.099 --> 00:34:18.519
 to serve as a family youth pastor,

00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:19.440
 but there are a number of them

00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:19.739
 that said,

00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:19.940
 you know,

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:20.900
 I just don't believe in this

00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:21.920
 or I just don't believe in that.

00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:23.400
 And, well, God bless you.

00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:24.260
 You know what?

00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:25.400
 We're going to be neighbors in heaven,

00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:27.019
 but it's,

00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:27.900
 and I believe that.

00:34:29.220 --> 00:34:29.960
 There are going to be

00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:30.940
 Presbyterians there.

00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.880
 My sister is a Presbyterian, okay?

00:34:35.659 --> 00:34:37.260
 There are going to be Nazarenes there.

00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:39.059
 There are going to be Wesleyans there.

00:34:39.059 --> 00:34:40.480
 My brother-in-law is a Wesleyan.

00:34:41.780 --> 00:34:43.740
 There are going to be Charismatics there.

00:34:43.820 --> 00:34:44.480
 There are going to be Church of God.

00:34:44.519 --> 00:34:45.680
 There are a lot of people

00:34:45.680 --> 00:34:47.180
 and we ought to love on all of them.

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:49.500
 Now, do we eat differently

00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:50.659
 at the table sometimes?

00:34:50.659 --> 00:34:50.900
 Yes.

00:34:50.900 --> 00:34:51.180
 Yes.

00:34:52.200 --> 00:34:55.360
 But when a person becomes a shepherd

00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:56.039
 in our fellowship,

00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.240
 we want them to be in our perspective.

00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:00.039
 Does that make sense?

00:35:04.059 --> 00:35:05.420
 So you recognize here

00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:08.380
 that there's an aspect

00:35:08.380 --> 00:35:09.240
 to this whole thing

00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:11.119
 that makes complete sense

00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:11.820
 according to the way

00:35:11.820 --> 00:35:12.660
 we've done things.

00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:15.279
 And I want you to know

00:35:15.279 --> 00:35:18.759
 that behind this recommendation

00:35:18.759 --> 00:35:23.000
 has been a lot of careful consideration

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:23.480
 and prayer.

00:35:26.279 --> 00:35:27.739
 Pastor Saul announced

00:35:27.739 --> 00:35:29.139
 his eventual retirement

00:35:29.139 --> 00:35:30.659
 to us well in advance

00:35:30.659 --> 00:35:32.619
 of the date he had set

00:35:32.619 --> 00:35:33.799
 for May 5th,

00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:35.359
 or is it May?

00:35:35.859 --> 00:35:36.699
 May 3rd.

00:35:36.799 --> 00:35:38.039
 Raise your fingers over there

00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:38.699
 so I can...

00:35:38.699 --> 00:35:39.480
 May 3rd.

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:40.420
 He knows the day.

00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:40.940
 Okay?

00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:42.900
 He told us 18 months out.

00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.340
 Do you know why

00:35:43.340 --> 00:35:44.119
 he told us that?

00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:47.219
 That's a loving thing to do.

00:35:47.340 --> 00:35:47.980
 Do you follow that?

00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:49.659
 It says ahead of time,

00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:50.960
 I care about you

00:35:50.960 --> 00:35:52.039
 and I'm not going to walk in,

00:35:52.380 --> 00:35:53.500
 walk up here to the platform

00:35:53.500 --> 00:35:53.940
 and say,

00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:54.679
 I quit.

00:35:56.099 --> 00:35:56.420
 Tomorrow.

00:35:56.420 --> 00:35:56.519
 Tomorrow.

00:35:56.519 --> 00:36:00.320
 I've had many friends

00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:00.840
 in the ministry

00:36:00.840 --> 00:36:02.780
 who have done that

00:36:02.780 --> 00:36:03.380
 to their church.

00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:04.739
 I think it's unconscionable.

00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:07.400
 I think it's unconscionable.

00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:10.820
 Pastor Saul let us know

00:36:10.820 --> 00:36:11.780
 well in advance.

00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:12.840
 And if you'll remember

00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:13.780
 from that meeting,

00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:15.400
 you'll remember that

00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:16.639
 after he announced

00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:17.340
 his retirement,

00:36:17.500 --> 00:36:18.340
 guess what followed that?

00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:19.300
 I came up and I said,

00:36:19.780 --> 00:36:20.300
 Lord willing,

00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.280
 if you put up with me,

00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:22.280
 my intention is to

00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:23.079
 continue preaching

00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:25.019
 and to serve as

00:36:25.019 --> 00:36:26.820
 your under shepherd here

00:36:26.820 --> 00:36:28.019
 until I'm about 70,

00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:28.679
 give or take.

00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:31.420
 I said,

00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:33.820
 and we'll bring you

00:36:33.820 --> 00:36:34.639
 a job description

00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:35.340
 in the spring.

00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:35.800
 How many of you

00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:36.739
 remember me saying that?

00:36:37.380 --> 00:36:38.880
 This is about as close

00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:39.840
 to the end of spring

00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:40.659
 as we could get.

00:36:43.780 --> 00:36:46.159
 And we can say

00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:47.619
 that God was in that detail.

00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:50.460
 We had decided

00:36:50.460 --> 00:36:53.079
 as pastors and deacons

00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:55.500
 that if for some reason

00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:57.159
 God had not providentially led

00:36:57.159 --> 00:36:57.920
 in our calling

00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:58.819
 Pastor Andrew

00:36:58.819 --> 00:36:59.940
 and his bride Deanna

00:36:59.940 --> 00:37:01.199
 to become part

00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:02.799
 of our ministry team here,

00:37:02.860 --> 00:37:03.659
 we were going to let you

00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:04.279
 know the plan

00:37:04.279 --> 00:37:04.759
 because we,

00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:06.840
 Pastor Saul is retiring.

00:37:07.659 --> 00:37:08.519
 Case closed.

00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:10.960
 And so we thought

00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:12.159
 we have to tell you anyway.

00:37:12.340 --> 00:37:12.460
 I mean,

00:37:12.539 --> 00:37:13.380
 we're not hiding

00:37:13.380 --> 00:37:14.059
 anything from you

00:37:14.059 --> 00:37:15.259
 but we wanted to be able

00:37:15.259 --> 00:37:16.759
 to focus on calling

00:37:16.759 --> 00:37:18.099
 Pastor Rowley

00:37:18.099 --> 00:37:19.019
 before we said,

00:37:19.179 --> 00:37:19.900
 hey, guess what?

00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:20.819
 You get another chance.

00:37:20.820 --> 00:37:28.340
 I want you to understand

00:37:28.340 --> 00:37:31.400
 that what lies ahead

00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:32.000
 for us is going

00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:32.580
 to be a challenge.

00:37:34.360 --> 00:37:35.820
 So why do we propose

00:37:35.820 --> 00:37:37.320
 a succession plan?

00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:40.800
 Our thought is

00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:41.920
 that the next pastor

00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:42.720
 to be hired

00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:44.640
 will come

00:37:44.640 --> 00:37:45.740
 in the hopes

00:37:45.740 --> 00:37:47.740
 that over a period

00:37:47.740 --> 00:37:48.220
 of time

00:37:48.220 --> 00:37:49.440
 our discipleship

00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:49.900
 of him

00:37:49.900 --> 00:37:51.220
 would lead us

00:37:51.220 --> 00:37:53.240
 to eventually

00:37:53.240 --> 00:37:53.960
 call him

00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:55.039
 to be our senior pastor.

00:37:58.139 --> 00:37:59.659
 And the reason

00:37:59.659 --> 00:38:01.119
 that we ask you

00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:01.960
 to consider that

00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:02.920
 is for one,

00:38:03.420 --> 00:38:04.579
 preparing for the future

00:38:04.579 --> 00:38:06.200
 is a wise thing to do.

00:38:08.780 --> 00:38:10.079
 I want you to understand

00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.240
 that successful businesses

00:38:12.240 --> 00:38:13.320
 do it all the time.

00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:16.440
 Successful businesses

00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:17.679
 always plan

00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:19.559
 for what their future is.

00:38:20.579 --> 00:38:21.579
 Sadly enough,

00:38:23.220 --> 00:38:24.059
 among churches

00:38:24.059 --> 00:38:24.900
 that is generally

00:38:24.900 --> 00:38:25.639
 not the case.

00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:29.099
 As a result of that,

00:38:29.820 --> 00:38:31.059
 there is a standard

00:38:31.059 --> 00:38:31.720
 little ditty

00:38:31.720 --> 00:38:33.039
 that is shared

00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:33.880
 among pastors.

00:38:35.460 --> 00:38:36.519
 And it's this.

00:38:37.659 --> 00:38:39.059
 You don't want

00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:40.480
 to be a pastor

00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:42.940
 following a long-tenured

00:38:42.940 --> 00:38:43.599
 pastor.

00:38:43.599 --> 00:38:43.679
 pastor.

00:38:46.980 --> 00:38:47.860
 You want

00:38:47.860 --> 00:38:48.900
 to be the pastor

00:38:48.900 --> 00:38:49.920
 who follows

00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:50.579
 the pastor

00:38:50.579 --> 00:38:51.599
 who followed

00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:52.759
 a long-tenured

00:38:52.759 --> 00:38:53.319
 pastor.

00:39:01.739 --> 00:39:02.519
 I don't want

00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:03.339
 to do that to you.

00:39:03.339 --> 00:39:02.519
 I don't want

00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:03.339
 to do that to you.

00:39:03.340 --> 00:39:04.340
 I don't want

00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:04.340


00:39:17.340 --> 00:39:18.420
 Discipling a man

00:39:18.420 --> 00:39:22.220
 that hopefully

00:39:22.220 --> 00:39:22.780
 would serve

00:39:22.780 --> 00:39:23.680
 as your shepherd

00:39:23.680 --> 00:39:26.820
 and future senior pastor

00:39:26.820 --> 00:39:27.640
 will take time.

00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:30.380
 Regardless of where

00:39:30.380 --> 00:39:31.079
 he comes from,

00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:33.319
 what his background

00:39:33.319 --> 00:39:33.960
 is,

00:39:34.460 --> 00:39:36.299
 what he's accomplished,

00:39:37.299 --> 00:39:38.900
 it will take time

00:39:38.900 --> 00:39:39.639
 for him to learn

00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:40.340
 to love you

00:39:40.340 --> 00:39:42.639
 and to be faithful

00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:43.539
 to his charge.

00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:45.840
 I thought it was

00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:46.380
 interesting

00:39:46.380 --> 00:39:48.840
 last Sunday

00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:49.199
 when

00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:50.480
 Ken Loro

00:39:50.480 --> 00:39:50.940
 was here.

00:39:53.400 --> 00:39:53.900
 Providentially,

00:39:54.179 --> 00:39:55.279
 he was here

00:39:55.279 --> 00:39:55.860
 for the wedding

00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:56.639
 and Ken Loro

00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:57.619
 came up here

00:39:57.619 --> 00:39:58.179
 on stage

00:39:58.179 --> 00:39:58.980
 and I asked him

00:39:58.980 --> 00:40:00.000
 to pray for

00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.099
 Andrew

00:40:01.099 --> 00:40:01.699
 who is now

00:40:01.699 --> 00:40:02.419
 Pastor Andrew.

00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:03.199
 How many of you

00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:03.619
 remember that?

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:05.859
 One of the things

00:40:05.859 --> 00:40:06.659
 that Ken Loro

00:40:06.659 --> 00:40:07.299
 said that

00:40:07.299 --> 00:40:08.419
 I thought,

00:40:08.500 --> 00:40:08.659
 hmm,

00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:09.500
 that's interesting,

00:40:10.179 --> 00:40:11.559
 he said he really

00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:12.419
 appreciated the

00:40:12.419 --> 00:40:13.480
 mentoring process.

00:40:16.059 --> 00:40:16.879
 Whether you know

00:40:16.879 --> 00:40:17.460
 it or not,

00:40:17.779 --> 00:40:18.940
 in every single

00:40:18.940 --> 00:40:19.539
 case,

00:40:19.539 --> 00:40:22.840
 it's been about

00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:23.480
 a three-year

00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:24.239
 process to

00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:24.960
 prepare a man

00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:26.659
 to become

00:40:26.659 --> 00:40:27.559
 productive and

00:40:27.559 --> 00:40:28.380
 fully engaged

00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:28.779
 in this

00:40:28.779 --> 00:40:29.119
 fellowship.

00:40:30.699 --> 00:40:31.659
 And in that

00:40:31.659 --> 00:40:32.039
 three-year

00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:32.500
 process,

00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:33.079
 what has

00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:33.480
 happened

00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:34.000
 historically

00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:34.460
 is either

00:40:34.460 --> 00:40:34.800
 a man

00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:35.360
 grows or he

00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:35.699
 goes.

00:40:37.539 --> 00:40:38.039
 Do you

00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:38.460
 follow that?

00:40:39.659 --> 00:40:40.259
 Let me say it

00:40:40.259 --> 00:40:40.519
 again,

00:40:40.739 --> 00:40:41.059
 a man

00:40:41.059 --> 00:40:41.599
 grows or he

00:40:41.599 --> 00:40:42.000
 goes.

00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.599
 And we

00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:46.420
 had the joy

00:40:46.420 --> 00:40:47.019
 of watching

00:40:47.019 --> 00:40:48.219
 Ken grow

00:40:48.219 --> 00:40:48.840
 to be just

00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:49.639
 a minister

00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:50.280
 of the Lord

00:40:50.280 --> 00:40:51.059
 Jesus and a

00:40:51.059 --> 00:40:51.800
 blessing to us

00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:52.420
 as a fellowship

00:40:52.420 --> 00:40:54.900
 and what a joy

00:40:54.900 --> 00:40:55.420
 to watch him

00:40:55.420 --> 00:40:56.340
 now as he's

00:40:56.340 --> 00:40:56.960
 in Awana

00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:57.559
 and a missionary.

00:40:58.099 --> 00:40:58.599
 It's our

00:40:58.599 --> 00:40:58.940
 blessing.

00:41:00.860 --> 00:41:01.340
 And I've got to

00:41:01.340 --> 00:41:01.639
 tell you,

00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:02.119
 when we were

00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:02.559
 interviewing

00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.539
 Andrew,

00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:05.500
 who's now

00:41:05.500 --> 00:41:06.079
 Pastor Andrew,

00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:06.480
 how many of you

00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:06.800
 are picking up

00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:07.019
 on that?

00:41:07.059 --> 00:41:07.360
 We call him

00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:07.860
 Pastor now?

00:41:08.059 --> 00:41:08.880
 Just in case.

00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.440
 In fact,

00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:11.220
 I had to tell

00:41:11.220 --> 00:41:12.599
 Pastor Andrew

00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:13.180
 the other day,

00:41:13.220 --> 00:41:13.720
 he was answering

00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:14.079
 the phone,

00:41:14.160 --> 00:41:14.420
 he says,

00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:15.280
 hello,

00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:15.940
 this is Andrew.

00:41:16.019 --> 00:41:16.260
 I said,

00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:16.519
 no.

00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:17.720
 Remember,

00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:18.700
 discipleship three

00:41:18.700 --> 00:41:18.960
 years?

00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:19.900
 We'll get the

00:41:19.900 --> 00:41:20.440
 Pastor Andrew

00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:21.140
 part pretty quick

00:41:21.140 --> 00:41:21.280
 here,

00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:21.960
 but it's like,

00:41:22.099 --> 00:41:22.260
 hey,

00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:23.300
 hey,

00:41:23.820 --> 00:41:24.519
 you know,

00:41:24.780 --> 00:41:25.460
 your wife,

00:41:25.539 --> 00:41:26.059
 you can say,

00:41:26.160 --> 00:41:26.800
 this is Andrew,

00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:28.519
 but to the

00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:29.300
 bride of Christ,

00:41:30.200 --> 00:41:31.079
 your ministry

00:41:31.079 --> 00:41:31.700
 is as a

00:41:31.700 --> 00:41:32.039
 pastor.

00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:33.980
 And it's

00:41:33.980 --> 00:41:34.760
 a responsibility

00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.240
 that carries

00:41:37.240 --> 00:41:37.680
 weight.

00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:39.200
 So,

00:41:39.340 --> 00:41:39.680
 we're going

00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:40.099
 to be involved

00:41:40.099 --> 00:41:40.860
 in discipleship

00:41:40.860 --> 00:41:41.320
 if you allow

00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:41.579
 us.

00:41:42.900 --> 00:41:43.460
 I do want

00:41:43.460 --> 00:41:43.619
 you to

00:41:43.619 --> 00:41:44.000
 understand,

00:41:44.140 --> 00:41:44.559
 furthermore,

00:41:44.980 --> 00:41:45.539
 that a lot

00:41:45.539 --> 00:41:45.860
 of thought

00:41:45.860 --> 00:41:46.180
 and prayer

00:41:46.180 --> 00:41:46.500
 has gone

00:41:46.500 --> 00:41:46.880
 into this

00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:47.260
 recommendation.

00:41:49.619 --> 00:41:50.440
 I first

00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:50.980
 asked our

00:41:50.980 --> 00:41:51.780
 pastors and

00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:52.220
 deacons to

00:41:52.220 --> 00:41:52.740
 begin praying

00:41:52.740 --> 00:41:53.340
 about this,

00:41:53.820 --> 00:41:54.400
 I'm going

00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:54.900
 to guess,

00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:55.760
 what,

00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:56.240
 four years

00:41:56.240 --> 00:41:56.500
 ago?

00:41:58.700 --> 00:41:59.220
 Does that

00:41:59.220 --> 00:41:59.640
 sound funny

00:41:59.640 --> 00:41:59.960
 to you?

00:42:00.900 --> 00:42:01.619
 Four years

00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:01.880
 ago.

00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:02.800
 Now,

00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:03.460
 it became a

00:42:03.460 --> 00:42:04.240
 formal agenda

00:42:04.240 --> 00:42:04.800
 item about

00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:05.240
 three years

00:42:05.240 --> 00:42:05.460
 ago.

00:42:06.460 --> 00:42:07.400
 A formal

00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:08.019
 presentation

00:42:08.019 --> 00:42:08.940
 was made

00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:09.380
 to our

00:42:09.380 --> 00:42:09.880
 deacons

00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:10.559
 about our

00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:11.039
 planning,

00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:12.920
 and a

00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:13.460
 committee,

00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:14.599
 succession

00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:15.199
 planning

00:42:15.199 --> 00:42:15.639
 committee,

00:42:15.759 --> 00:42:16.380
 was formed

00:42:16.380 --> 00:42:17.519
 and continued

00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:18.179
 to work

00:42:18.179 --> 00:42:19.119
 throughout the

00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:20.239
 last several

00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:20.960
 years behind

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.659
 the scenes.

00:42:22.259 --> 00:42:23.079
 That committee

00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:24.500
 has read a

00:42:24.500 --> 00:42:25.739
 variety of

00:42:25.739 --> 00:42:26.460
 resources,

00:42:26.980 --> 00:42:28.059
 done interviews,

00:42:28.460 --> 00:42:29.039
 talked with

00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:30.579
 pastors and

00:42:30.579 --> 00:42:32.460
 organizations that

00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:32.880
 have both

00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.639
 succeeded and

00:42:33.639 --> 00:42:34.699
 failed at

00:42:34.699 --> 00:42:35.699
 planning and

00:42:35.699 --> 00:42:36.759
 making successions

00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:37.160
 work.

00:42:37.940 --> 00:42:38.260
 And I've got

00:42:38.260 --> 00:42:38.860
 to tell you,

00:42:39.300 --> 00:42:39.560
 there are

00:42:39.560 --> 00:42:40.440
 probably more

00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:41.180
 churches that

00:42:41.180 --> 00:42:41.980
 fail at it

00:42:41.980 --> 00:42:42.880
 than succeed.

00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:45.160
 And we have

00:42:45.160 --> 00:42:45.820
 given careful

00:42:45.820 --> 00:42:47.040
 thought to why

00:42:47.040 --> 00:42:47.600
 those churches,

00:42:47.680 --> 00:42:48.320
 they can put

00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:48.960
 their finger on

00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:49.400
 this is what

00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:49.800
 happened and

00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:50.280
 here's why it

00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:50.520
 happened.

00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:51.740
 We don't want

00:42:51.740 --> 00:42:52.000
 that.

00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:53.320
 Do you know

00:42:53.320 --> 00:42:53.620
 why?

00:42:54.660 --> 00:42:55.440
 Because we

00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:57.560
 believe that

00:42:57.560 --> 00:42:58.300
 godly people

00:42:58.300 --> 00:42:59.060
 depending upon

00:42:59.060 --> 00:42:59.620
 the word of

00:42:59.620 --> 00:43:00.660
 God and

00:43:00.660 --> 00:43:01.440
 following His

00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:02.220
 counsel can

00:43:02.220 --> 00:43:03.300
 succeed at

00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:03.740
 succession.

00:43:03.739 --> 00:43:06.339
 there's going

00:43:06.339 --> 00:43:06.639
 to be a

00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:08.519
 day when

00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:09.039
 if you call

00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:09.679
 me pastor,

00:43:10.579 --> 00:43:12.239
 I am not

00:43:12.239 --> 00:43:12.539
 going to be

00:43:12.539 --> 00:43:13.439
 disrespectful to

00:43:13.439 --> 00:43:13.839
 you, but I

00:43:13.839 --> 00:43:14.219
 would say,

00:43:14.459 --> 00:43:16.379
 that's the

00:43:16.379 --> 00:43:16.679
 man.

00:43:18.879 --> 00:43:19.479
 Call him

00:43:19.479 --> 00:43:19.859
 pastor.

00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:21.179
 Now for some

00:43:21.179 --> 00:43:22.179
 of you, since

00:43:22.179 --> 00:43:23.000
 I've buried your

00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:23.879
 father and I've

00:43:23.879 --> 00:43:24.379
 married your

00:43:24.379 --> 00:43:24.839
 children or

00:43:24.839 --> 00:43:25.359
 whatever else,

00:43:25.399 --> 00:43:25.659
 it's going to

00:43:25.659 --> 00:43:25.959
 be a little

00:43:25.959 --> 00:43:26.579
 hard to suck

00:43:26.579 --> 00:43:26.859
 it up.

00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:27.979
 But if I

00:43:27.979 --> 00:43:29.099
 can't be Tim

00:43:29.099 --> 00:43:29.919
 among you,

00:43:30.959 --> 00:43:31.399
 do you follow

00:43:31.399 --> 00:43:31.699
 that?

00:43:31.699 --> 00:43:32.099
 and mow

00:43:32.099 --> 00:43:32.460
 the lawn

00:43:32.460 --> 00:43:32.980
 like everybody

00:43:32.980 --> 00:43:34.679
 else, we

00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:35.239
 got a problem

00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:37.460
 because I

00:43:37.460 --> 00:43:38.039
 want to be

00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:38.480
 able to

00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:39.439
 righteously

00:43:39.439 --> 00:43:41.679
 and honorably

00:43:41.679 --> 00:43:42.679
 hand off the

00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:43.739
 responsibility to

00:43:43.739 --> 00:43:44.319
 another man.

00:43:46.419 --> 00:43:47.399
 We talked

00:43:47.399 --> 00:43:49.539
 with leadership

00:43:49.539 --> 00:43:50.299
 at ABWE.

00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:51.699
 We talked

00:43:51.699 --> 00:43:52.199
 with leadership

00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:53.419
 at Cedarville.

00:43:53.919 --> 00:43:54.719
 We talked

00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:55.319
 with leadership

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 at Word of

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 Life.

00:43:57.199 --> 00:43:58.039
 We've talked

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 with literally

00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.480
 dozens of

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 pastors.

00:44:01.699 --> 00:44:02.460
 deacons.

00:44:03.879 --> 00:44:05.059
 We sought

00:44:05.059 --> 00:44:05.239
 out.

00:44:05.339 --> 00:44:06.039
 I've talked

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 with the

00:44:06.379 --> 00:44:06.779
 executive

00:44:06.779 --> 00:44:07.919
 pastor at

00:44:07.919 --> 00:44:08.460
 Bethlehem

00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:09.119
 Baptist Church

00:44:09.119 --> 00:44:09.879
 where John

00:44:09.879 --> 00:44:10.980
 Piper just

00:44:10.980 --> 00:44:11.460
 finished his

00:44:11.460 --> 00:44:12.279
 ministry and

00:44:12.279 --> 00:44:12.679
 they handed

00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:13.099
 off the

00:44:13.099 --> 00:44:13.519
 reins.

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 And I want

00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:16.399
 you to know

00:44:16.399 --> 00:44:16.759
 that your

00:44:16.759 --> 00:44:17.439
 pastors and

00:44:17.439 --> 00:44:18.419
 deacons recommend

00:44:18.419 --> 00:44:20.639
 unanimously that

00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:22.839
 we consider and

00:44:22.839 --> 00:44:23.399
 follow this

00:44:23.399 --> 00:44:26.319
 path as a

00:44:26.319 --> 00:44:26.819
 congregation.

00:44:27.619 --> 00:44:28.399
 So what's

00:44:28.399 --> 00:44:28.739
 next?

00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:31.219
 Well first

00:44:31.219 --> 00:44:31.679
 of all,

00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:33.059
 and this is

00:44:33.059 --> 00:44:34.039
 almost like I

00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:34.579
 could say this

00:44:34.579 --> 00:44:35.059
 with my eyes

00:44:35.059 --> 00:44:35.399
 closed.

00:44:36.859 --> 00:44:37.639
 Read over the

00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:38.959
 material, pray

00:44:38.959 --> 00:44:40.479
 about it, and

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 if you have any

00:44:41.259 --> 00:44:42.079
 questions, guess

00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:42.299
 what?

00:44:42.359 --> 00:44:42.879
 Guess what I'm

00:44:42.879 --> 00:44:43.179
 going to say?

00:44:44.019 --> 00:44:44.819
 Talk to your

00:44:44.819 --> 00:44:45.759
 pastors or your

00:44:45.759 --> 00:44:46.059
 deacon.

00:44:47.419 --> 00:44:48.659
 Every one of the

00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:49.799
 deacons that have

00:44:49.799 --> 00:44:50.500
 been appointed by

00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:51.179
 this congregation

00:44:51.179 --> 00:44:53.379
 are fully aware

00:44:53.379 --> 00:44:54.859
 of the planning and

00:44:54.859 --> 00:44:55.500
 thought that has

00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:56.319
 gone into that,

00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:58.019
 and there may

00:44:58.019 --> 00:44:58.860
 be a question or

00:44:58.860 --> 00:44:59.500
 two that they

00:44:59.500 --> 00:45:00.120
 don't know the

00:45:00.120 --> 00:45:00.640
 answer to.

00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:01.559
 That's all right.

00:45:01.860 --> 00:45:02.780
 It's not a bad

00:45:02.780 --> 00:45:04.160
 thing to say, I

00:45:04.160 --> 00:45:04.760
 don't know for

00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:05.440
 sure, let me get

00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:06.300
 back with you, but

00:45:06.300 --> 00:45:07.680
 I can tell you in

00:45:07.680 --> 00:45:08.539
 the next couple

00:45:08.539 --> 00:45:09.900
 weeks all our

00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:10.539
 deacons are going

00:45:10.539 --> 00:45:11.160
 to be putting their

00:45:11.160 --> 00:45:12.660
 arms around us and

00:45:12.660 --> 00:45:13.519
 giving us a hug and

00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:14.400
 saying, do you have

00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:14.880
 any questions?

00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:15.840
 Does this make

00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:16.320
 sense to you?

00:45:16.340 --> 00:45:16.800
 Do you understand

00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:17.380
 why we're thinking

00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:17.780
 this?

00:45:17.780 --> 00:45:27.000
 On May 18th, we're

00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.280
 going to meet after

00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:30.160
 the morning service

00:45:30.160 --> 00:45:32.420
 to have a formal

00:45:32.420 --> 00:45:33.760
 vote on the

00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:34.640
 recommendation that

00:45:34.640 --> 00:45:35.400
 we are bringing to

00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:36.080
 you this morning.

00:45:37.620 --> 00:45:38.940
 And we trust between

00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:42.360
 now and then, you

00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:43.200
 as a congregation

00:45:43.200 --> 00:45:44.660
 have the opportunity

00:45:44.659 --> 00:45:47.859
 to pray, to think

00:45:47.859 --> 00:45:49.920
 carefully, to ask

00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:50.599
 any and every

00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:51.359
 question that you

00:45:51.359 --> 00:45:53.480
 have, so that when

00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:55.239
 we come to deliberate

00:45:55.239 --> 00:45:56.480
 as a body of

00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.019
 believers, that we

00:45:58.019 --> 00:45:59.639
 have done our very

00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:01.059
 best of being clear

00:46:01.059 --> 00:46:02.119
 in our information

00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:04.659
 and allowed you to

00:46:04.659 --> 00:46:05.480
 consider the matter

00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:06.559
 before the Lord.

00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:09.839
 And all God's

00:46:09.839 --> 00:46:10.759
 people said,

00:46:11.420 --> 00:46:12.159
 Amen.

00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:14.500
 John, would you

00:46:14.500 --> 00:46:15.519
 come and lead us?

00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:16.739
 Let me pray as the

00:46:16.739 --> 00:46:17.599
 musicians are coming.

00:46:17.699 --> 00:46:18.480
 We are going to look

00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:19.420
 forward to baptism,

00:46:19.739 --> 00:46:20.699
 and I ask the

00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:21.579
 candidates to come

00:46:21.579 --> 00:46:23.480
 at this time as we

00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:24.460
 prepare for baptism.

00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:25.480
 Let's pray as the

00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:26.299
 musicians are coming,

00:46:26.739 --> 00:46:28.000
 and then we will

00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:29.119
 enjoy singing together.