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 Thanks Johnny, nice to be with you here in Carrickaline tonight.

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 I think I've just been through Carrickaline before so I've never actually stopped in it.

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 So it's nice to stop in it and stay in tonight so I don't have to go the whole way back to cabin.

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 So it's nice to be here.

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 You may be thinking already that doesn't sound much like a cabin accent.

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 Well it's not.

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 And in case you're trying to work out where it's from, it's from the other great footballing county in Ireland.

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 Which of course is Tyrone.

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 And I'm from Tyrone originally and lived in England for a while so my accent got mixed up there.

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 And I've been in cabin now for the past eight years.

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 So I have children with cabin accents.

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 They've got the real genuine thing.

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 But hopefully you'll be able to understand and follow me tonight.

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 But as Johnny said, if you have any questions as we go along, feel free to ask those.

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 Or we'll have time at the end as well for your questions.

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 Or if you want to come up and chat to me afterwards.

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 I can't claim to have all the answers.

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 As Johnny said, I trained as a doctor.

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 Worked in hospitals for a while and then as a GP.

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 And I've been working as a pastor then recently.

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 And I'll say a bit about that as we go through.

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 And maybe talk about the experience in medical practice and the experience now as a pastor.

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 Sure.

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 So in thinking then about this subject of depression.

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 I wonder how you're feeling tonight.

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 If somebody asks you a question like that.

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 That's the way they ask it in cabin.

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 How are you?

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 And then usually people will say something like, not a bother.

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 And you maybe try to give the impression that you feel a bit like this.

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 But perhaps on the inside you're feeling a bit more like that.

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 So the subject of depression is one that is common.

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 And it's one also that may affect you.

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 Maybe that's why you've come this evening.

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 If it doesn't affect you personally, it will affect someone that you know.

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 And the thing is, as we know, it's a serious condition.

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 It's a condition that causes a lot of suffering, a lot of pain, a lot of mental turmoil.

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 And it is, of course, a condition that can lead to end of life.

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 That suicide happens in some of the people who are depressed.

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 I read a statistic recently that in Ireland, around 500 people a year will take their own life.

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 So it's a serious condition.

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 It's something that it's good to be concerned about.

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 It's good to think about.

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 So I'm glad then that you've come this evening.

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 And hopefully you learned something in our time together.

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 As it said on the little invite card, if you had one of those, my wife is working as a psychiatrist.

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 She's a doctor in the community mental health team for Cabin and Monaghan.

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 So she's working part-time in that.

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 So it's something that we talk about from time to time.

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 So even though I've been out of medical practice for a few years now,

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 my wife is doing it from week to week.

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 And she helps to keep my head right.

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 So it's good to be able to talk things over with her and to talk about these issues.

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 So I try and keep a bit up to date.

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 And we'll talk a little bit about the definition, what actually is depression.

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 It can be a bit of a slippery term.

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 And then we'll look at some of the symptoms that you may experience with depression.

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 Then we'll take some time and think about the causes before we come on to the cure for depression

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 and helps with those who have depression.

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 So what is depression?

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 Probably all of us have thought at times in some way, I'm depressed and just fed up.

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 But there's a difference between just having a day when you're a bit down and actually having depression.

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 So I checked up with my wife about this recently.

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 Actually, my wife and I were sharing a seminar.

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 We did a training seminar for youth workers a few weeks back to help youth workers,

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 help young people with mental health issues.

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 So I was able to update some of my knowledge on depression as I was listening to my wife.

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 And she used this slide.

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 And psychiatrists have quite a defined, definite way of classifying depression.

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 And so I'll just mention something about this slide and then I'll go on to use my other slide

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 to kind of break it down a bit.

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 So psychiatrists will divide depression into mild, moderate and severe.

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 And there's three key symptoms as far as they're concerned.

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 Number one, depressed mood.

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 Number two, a loss of interest.

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 And number three, easily tired.

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 So for someone to have what they classify as a mild depressive episode,

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 you need to have two out of those three at the top for at least two weeks.

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 So just feeling depressed a day here and there, that isn't actually clinical depression,

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 what a psychiatrist would call depression.

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 But if it goes on for, I think it's for most days in a two-week period,

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 then it could be diagnosed as mild depression.

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 Two out of three of those key symptoms plus two of these other symptoms.

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 So I know it's a bit small, so I'll just run through what's on the right.

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 Reduced concentration, reduced attention, reduced self-esteem and confidence,

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 ideas of guilt, pessimistic about the future,

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 ideas or acts of self-harmers or of suicide,

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 disturbed sleep or disturbed appetite.

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 So we'll come back to some of those and I'll say a bit more about it.

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 You might be wondering for yourself tonight,

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 do I really have depression, do I not?

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 Perhaps this will help you with that.

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 Or maybe you're wondering if it's somebody that you care for,

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 somebody that you are concerned about and you're wondering how to help them.

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 So mild depression and then moderate is really more of those symptoms,

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 more of what's on the right-hand side.

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 It says plus three or preferably four of those symptoms.

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 And it's really impacting your daily life.

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 It stops you doing your normal things.

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 And then severe, it includes agitation and distress

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 and often a loss of self-esteem, guilt or worthlessness.

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 So that's just to give you a little flavor of the way in which psychiatrists define depression.

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 They look on it very specifically.

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 These come from, I think it's the ICD-10,

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 which is an international way of classifying all kinds of diseases,

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 not just mental but all physical diseases as well.

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 So we break it down into something a bit more straightforward.

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 It can come down into physical symptoms, emotional,

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 and then ways that affects your behavior and thinking.

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 So physical symptoms, sleep disturbance.

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 Classic one in depression, can't sleep.

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 Often it is that you wake up earlier in the morning

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 and it's classically defined as waking up two hours before your normal awakening time.

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 Now I know with the clocks come back there,

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 our sleep might be a bit mixed up.

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 I'm finding myself waking even earlier than usual.

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 And we're all different, but these are sort of general guidelines.

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 Change of appetite, usually loss of appetite,

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 but it can be an increase in appetite as well.

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 Loss of energy and poor concentration.

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 Perhaps you can't concentrate to read like you used to.

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 That would be one way it would affect people.

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 Change in behavior, stop doing things.

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 Maybe because of the poor concentration,

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 perhaps because of a loss of interest,

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 you become withdrawn.

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 Maybe take to the bed, find it hard to get up.

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 Those who maybe were very careful about their physical appearance

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 begin to neglect themselves and self-harm.

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 So if self-harm is an issue and suicidal thoughts,

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 do you think that it's a sensible thing to bring that up?

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 With somebody who's suffering from depression,

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 do you think that it might put that idea in their head

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 so you shouldn't bring it up?

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 Anybody?

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 Is it okay to bring up the people?

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 Ask them, have you ever thought of farming yourself?

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 I don't think it's okay to bring it up.

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 It is, yeah.

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 Yeah, you're right.

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 That's the general advice,

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 that it's fine to bring it up

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 because somebody,

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 if they're thinking about it anyway,

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 it'll just give them a chance to talk about it

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 and a chance for them to unburden themselves to you.

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 So we're jumping ahead there a little bit

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 to how to help people with depression,

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 but it's okay to talk about.

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 It's a good thing to ask somebody

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 who's feeling dying.

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 Emotional symptoms, low mood.

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 I've got a book here that I've found helpful about depression

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 and it's got some descriptions of just how people feel

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 and they say here,

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 depressive speech is poetic.

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 Prose doesn't capture the experience,

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 so it's either silence or poetry.

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 And here's how some people have put it.

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 I felt like I was walking through a field of dead flowers

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 and found one beautiful rose,

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 but when I bent down to smell it,

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 I fell into an invisible hole.

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 I heard my silent scream echo and pierce through my empty soul.

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 Or somebody else says,

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 I feel as though I died a few weeks ago

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 and my body hasn't found out yet.

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 Or, here's another one, one more,

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 I could weep by the hour like a child

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 and yet I know not what I wept for.

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 So it's not just a feeling a bit off,

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 but a profound sadness often

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 with those who are suffering from depression.

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 Anxiety can often go along with it,

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 not always, but often.

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 Irritability,

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 shorter fuse than usual,

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 loss of enjoyment.

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 Loss of enjoyment in the things

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 that you used to really like doing.

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 That's often an important symptom

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 in depression and in apathy,

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 not wanting to be bothered.

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 Altered thinking then.

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 So depression can affect

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 the way you think about yourself,

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 the way you think about the past,

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 the way you think about the world in general,

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 and the way you think about the future.

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 So yourself,

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 the feelings of low self-worth,

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 lack of confidence.

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 The past, guilt.

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 Well, it's normal to be guilty

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 and you've done something wrong.

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 But in depression,

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 that can tend to be exaggerated.

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 So somebody has minorly offended someone

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 like years ago

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 and they start to get really guilty about it

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 and feel really, really bad about it.

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 Or maybe it's even a guilt

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 that they didn't actually do something wrong,

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 they just feel guilty.

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 And that can be a symptom in depression.

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 Or altering thinking about the world,

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 feeling people are against you.

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 Sometimes at the severe end of depression,

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 there are actually delusions

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 where people have a fixed false belief.

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 So they might think their next-door neighbours

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 are in a plot to poison them

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 or put poisonous gas into their house.

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 So that can be at the severe end of depression.

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 Or it might be just a general feeling of

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 they're looking at me,

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 I think they're against me.

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 And then,

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 altered thinking about the future.

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 And this is something that's

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 really important to counteract in depression.

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 It's a dangerous thing

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 when people lose hope.

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 And if you're trying to help somebody

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 with depression,

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 an important thing to counteract that with

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 is that encourage them

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 that there is hope,

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 that there is light at the end of the tunnel,

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 that there's hope.

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 There's hope.

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 And I would want that to be a message

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 to you tonight as well.

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 If it's you,

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 if some of these symptoms are describing you,

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 that there is hope.

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 There is hope.

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 There is help out there.

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 When people start to lose hope,

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 it's a dangerous thing, really.

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 So we need to be encouraged

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 and remind that there is hope.

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 So what causes depression then?

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 Let's move on to the causes.

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 And then, as I said,

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 we've come to think about treatments.

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 So there's not usually a single cause

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 in somebody's depression.

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 It's usually what doctors call

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 multifactorial.

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 Lots of different factors.

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 Different things contributing to it.

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 Loss events

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 can often precede depression.

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 So losing a loved one,

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 bereavement,

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 or maybe losing your job

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 through redundancy,

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 or even through retirement.

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 Or maybe it's loss of health,

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 or loss of money,

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 financial crisis,

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 or something like that.

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 It can sometimes be good life events

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 that could be like a promotion,

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 or the birth of a baby.

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 Something that triggers it off.

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 Some change

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 can often trigger depression.

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 Family history.

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 It's in your family.

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 You're a bit more likely.

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 It doesn't mean you're going

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 to suffer from depression,

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 but there can often be

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 a family connection.

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 Early experiences,

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 particularly abuse.

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 Those who've been abused as children,

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 there is a link

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 with developing depression

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 later on in life.

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 personality.

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 Those who generally are

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 melancholy,

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 melancholy type of personality.

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 But it doesn't always go along.

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 Sometimes people are very outgoing,

00:14:05.019 --> 00:14:06.740
 they appear very happy,

00:14:06.899 --> 00:14:07.919
 on the outside even,

00:14:08.039 --> 00:14:09.419
 and inside there can be

00:14:09.419 --> 00:14:10.759
 deep sadness.

00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:12.519
 Physical illness.

00:14:12.519 --> 00:14:13.399
 So,

00:14:13.980 --> 00:14:14.879
 we're going to be saying

00:14:14.879 --> 00:14:16.460
 in a moment with treatment

00:14:16.460 --> 00:14:17.500
 that it is important

00:14:17.500 --> 00:14:18.299
 to go to

00:14:18.299 --> 00:14:20.120
 your doctor

00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.019
 if you have a significant

00:14:22.019 --> 00:14:24.120
 level of depression.

00:14:25.699 --> 00:14:26.960
 The doctor then

00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:28.019
 would check

00:14:28.019 --> 00:14:28.620
 for

00:14:28.620 --> 00:14:30.759
 physical illnesses,

00:14:31.819 --> 00:14:32.659
 particularly those

00:14:32.659 --> 00:14:33.439
 that are related

00:14:33.439 --> 00:14:34.220
 in some way

00:14:34.220 --> 00:14:34.919
 to depression.

00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:38.000
 Hypothyroidism

00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:39.639
 is one that needs

00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:40.480
 to be ruled out

00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:41.840
 or ruled in

00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:42.700
 by your doctor.

00:14:43.340 --> 00:14:43.539
 So,

00:14:43.800 --> 00:14:44.980
 checking the level

00:14:44.980 --> 00:14:46.180
 of the thyroid hormone

00:14:46.180 --> 00:14:47.180
 in your body

00:14:47.180 --> 00:14:48.300
 because people

00:14:48.300 --> 00:14:49.360
 that have low

00:14:49.360 --> 00:14:50.899
 thyroid hormone,

00:14:51.200 --> 00:14:52.620
 hypothyroidism,

00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:54.139
 can end up

00:14:54.139 --> 00:14:54.779
 with depression.

00:14:55.379 --> 00:14:56.060
 And if it's treated

00:14:56.060 --> 00:14:56.879
 with a simple

00:14:56.879 --> 00:14:58.240
 tablet every day

00:14:58.240 --> 00:14:59.820
 to keep your thyroid hormone

00:14:59.820 --> 00:15:00.460
 normal,

00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:01.420
 it can often

00:15:01.420 --> 00:15:02.519
 improve things,

00:15:02.659 --> 00:15:03.860
 improve your general energy

00:15:03.860 --> 00:15:05.159
 and improve your mood.

00:15:05.460 --> 00:15:05.980
 Other things

00:15:05.980 --> 00:15:06.659
 like diabetes,

00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:08.120
 certain forms of cancer,

00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.340
 can be related

00:15:11.340 --> 00:15:12.120
 in some way

00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:13.820
 to developing depression.

00:15:14.060 --> 00:15:14.179
 So,

00:15:14.240 --> 00:15:14.919
 physical illness

00:15:14.919 --> 00:15:16.039
 can sometimes

00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:17.220
 be linked to depression.

00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:18.799
 Alcohol

00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:19.980
 and drugs.

00:15:21.419 --> 00:15:22.240
 People think

00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:22.860
 about alcohol

00:15:22.860 --> 00:15:23.399
 as something

00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:24.240
 that makes you happy,

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 stimulates you,

00:15:25.620 --> 00:15:26.259
 but it's actually

00:15:26.259 --> 00:15:27.759
 a depressant.

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 And to drink

00:15:30.460 --> 00:15:31.720
 when you're sad

00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:33.779
 can be a dangerous thing

00:15:33.779 --> 00:15:35.439
 and it can lead

00:15:35.439 --> 00:15:37.339
 into addiction.

00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:38.679
 And drugs

00:15:38.679 --> 00:15:40.799
 are similar as well.

00:15:40.939 --> 00:15:41.419
 A friend of mine

00:15:41.419 --> 00:15:41.919
 in Calvin,

00:15:42.459 --> 00:15:43.480
 he's been struggling

00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:44.079
 with heroin

00:15:44.079 --> 00:15:45.360
 and other drugs

00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:45.939
 as well.

00:15:46.579 --> 00:15:47.759
 And since he's

00:15:47.759 --> 00:15:48.539
 come off drugs,

00:15:48.639 --> 00:15:48.980
 I've noticed

00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:50.039
 a great change

00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:50.639
 in his mood

00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:51.799
 and just how

00:15:51.799 --> 00:15:54.419
 happier he is

00:15:54.419 --> 00:15:55.639
 when he was on them.

00:15:56.019 --> 00:15:56.779
 He's often

00:15:56.779 --> 00:15:57.539
 a lot more

00:15:57.539 --> 00:15:58.559
 depressed.

00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:00.039
 Medication.

00:16:00.500 --> 00:16:02.000
 Some medications

00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:03.200
 prescribed by doctors

00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:04.259
 for other conditions

00:16:04.259 --> 00:16:06.860
 have the side effect

00:16:06.860 --> 00:16:08.320
 of contributing

00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:09.279
 to depression.

00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:10.360
 For example,

00:16:10.580 --> 00:16:11.340
 beta blockers

00:16:11.340 --> 00:16:12.259
 that are used

00:16:12.259 --> 00:16:13.299
 for high blood pressure

00:16:13.299 --> 00:16:14.700
 and heart disease,

00:16:15.259 --> 00:16:16.779
 some of them

00:16:16.779 --> 00:16:17.820
 can be linked

00:16:17.820 --> 00:16:18.899
 to causing depression.

00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:20.919
 But don't go out there

00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:21.919
 and stop your medication

00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:22.500
 right away.

00:16:22.740 --> 00:16:23.940
 Best to talk

00:16:23.940 --> 00:16:24.259
 that over

00:16:24.259 --> 00:16:24.879
 with your doctor.

00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:26.539
 So those are

00:16:26.539 --> 00:16:28.340
 some of the causes

00:16:28.340 --> 00:16:28.799
 anyway.

00:16:28.980 --> 00:16:29.480
 And as I say,

00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:30.399
 it often can be

00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:31.639
 more than one

00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:32.279
 in some kind

00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:33.059
 of combination

00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:34.039
 that leads

00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:35.059
 to the development

00:16:35.059 --> 00:16:35.840
 of depression.

00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:36.439
 So what about

00:16:36.439 --> 00:16:37.360
 the treatment then?

00:16:37.699 --> 00:16:38.740
 What can be done

00:16:38.740 --> 00:16:40.319
 to help?

00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:41.100
 Well,

00:16:42.340 --> 00:16:43.919
 this is the sort

00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:44.600
 of classic

00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.480
 somebody going to see

00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:47.220
 what the Americans

00:16:47.220 --> 00:16:48.039
 call their shrink.

00:16:48.740 --> 00:16:50.439
 And that's not

00:16:50.439 --> 00:16:51.860
 the first line

00:16:51.860 --> 00:16:53.360
 in helping you

00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:54.000
 with depression.

00:16:54.220 --> 00:16:54.879
 Most people

00:16:54.879 --> 00:16:55.679
 with depression

00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:57.340
 don't need to end up

00:16:57.340 --> 00:16:58.259
 seeing somebody

00:16:58.259 --> 00:16:58.980
 like my wife

00:16:58.980 --> 00:17:00.560
 going along

00:17:00.560 --> 00:17:01.480
 to see a psychiatrist.

00:17:01.840 --> 00:17:02.440
 That's kind of

00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:03.920
 just for some

00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:04.440
 and I'll say

00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:04.900
 in a moment

00:17:04.900 --> 00:17:07.079
 who it's helpful for.

00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:08.960
 First line

00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:09.380
 of treatment

00:17:09.380 --> 00:17:10.220
 really is to talk

00:17:10.220 --> 00:17:10.740
 to somebody.

00:17:11.539 --> 00:17:12.120
 It doesn't have

00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:13.099
 to be a doctor

00:17:13.099 --> 00:17:13.460
 even.

00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:14.440
 It doesn't have

00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:15.440
 to be some

00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:16.279
 official person

00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:17.339
 but just talking

00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:17.880
 to somebody

00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:18.660
 about how you're

00:17:18.660 --> 00:17:19.019
 feeling.

00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:20.579
 Sharing it.

00:17:21.160 --> 00:17:21.880
 There is some

00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:22.559
 truth in that

00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:23.140
 old saying

00:17:23.140 --> 00:17:23.779
 that a problem

00:17:23.779 --> 00:17:24.480
 shared is a

00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:25.259
 problem halved.

00:17:25.259 --> 00:17:26.559
 So it's good

00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:27.319
 to talk to

00:17:27.319 --> 00:17:27.579
 somebody,

00:17:27.619 --> 00:17:28.160
 to find somebody

00:17:28.160 --> 00:17:28.859
 you can trust

00:17:28.859 --> 00:17:29.920
 and to talk

00:17:29.920 --> 00:17:30.900
 to a pastor

00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:31.500
 like Johnny

00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:32.859
 or to talk

00:17:32.859 --> 00:17:34.259
 to perhaps

00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:35.500
 your husband

00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:36.000
 or wife

00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:36.500
 or girlfriend,

00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:37.819
 some family

00:17:37.819 --> 00:17:38.299
 members,

00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:39.140
 maybe a friend,

00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:39.720
 maybe somebody

00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:40.240
 has brought you

00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:41.119
 tonight or whatever.

00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:42.379
 It's good to talk

00:17:42.379 --> 00:17:45.379
 with someone.

00:17:46.299 --> 00:17:47.079
 And then

00:17:47.079 --> 00:17:49.359
 establish a routine.

00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:51.619
 As we saw

00:17:51.619 --> 00:17:52.200
 earlier,

00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:53.319
 when you're

00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:53.920
 depressed,

00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:55.940
 you often

00:17:55.940 --> 00:17:56.420
 don't feel

00:17:56.420 --> 00:17:56.880
 like doing

00:17:56.880 --> 00:17:57.400
 things.

00:17:57.800 --> 00:17:58.080
 And it's

00:17:58.080 --> 00:17:58.740
 easy to get

00:17:58.740 --> 00:17:59.380
 out of routine,

00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:00.640
 to maybe lie

00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:01.600
 in bed longer,

00:18:02.060 --> 00:18:02.840
 to not do

00:18:02.840 --> 00:18:03.300
 the stuff

00:18:03.300 --> 00:18:03.840
 that you used

00:18:03.840 --> 00:18:04.279
 to do.

00:18:04.600 --> 00:18:05.140
 And often

00:18:05.140 --> 00:18:05.900
 that can send

00:18:05.900 --> 00:18:06.420
 you into

00:18:06.420 --> 00:18:07.000
 a downward

00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:07.560
 spiral.

00:18:08.279 --> 00:18:08.740
 Because you're

00:18:08.740 --> 00:18:09.120
 not doing

00:18:09.120 --> 00:18:09.620
 things,

00:18:09.980 --> 00:18:10.340
 you lose

00:18:10.340 --> 00:18:10.820
 confidence.

00:18:11.620 --> 00:18:12.200
 Because you're

00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:12.920
 losing confidence,

00:18:13.440 --> 00:18:14.000
 you don't do

00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:15.100
 things and

00:18:15.100 --> 00:18:15.940
 you end up

00:18:15.940 --> 00:18:16.660
 feeling worse.

00:18:17.400 --> 00:18:17.720
 But if

00:18:17.720 --> 00:18:18.640
 somehow you can

00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:19.779
 keep a routine

00:18:19.779 --> 00:18:20.120
 going,

00:18:20.300 --> 00:18:20.980
 and by routine

00:18:20.980 --> 00:18:21.380
 I mean

00:18:21.380 --> 00:18:22.620
 continuing to

00:18:22.620 --> 00:18:22.960
 eat,

00:18:23.140 --> 00:18:23.840
 continuing to

00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:24.179
 have

00:18:24.179 --> 00:18:25.339
 mealtimes,

00:18:25.779 --> 00:18:26.699
 continuing to

00:18:26.699 --> 00:18:27.879
 do stuff,

00:18:27.919 --> 00:18:28.399
 even though

00:18:28.399 --> 00:18:28.779
 you're maybe

00:18:28.779 --> 00:18:29.559
 not enjoying

00:18:29.559 --> 00:18:30.159
 it as much

00:18:30.159 --> 00:18:30.659
 as you used

00:18:30.659 --> 00:18:30.919
 to,

00:18:31.500 --> 00:18:32.139
 just sort of

00:18:32.139 --> 00:18:32.879
 keep that

00:18:32.879 --> 00:18:33.220
 routine.

00:18:33.659 --> 00:18:34.099
 Exercise.

00:18:34.659 --> 00:18:35.379
 I spoke

00:18:35.379 --> 00:18:35.759
 on this

00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:37.259
 subject a

00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:37.859
 while back

00:18:37.859 --> 00:18:38.379
 up in

00:18:38.379 --> 00:18:39.059
 County

00:18:39.059 --> 00:18:39.559
 Antrim,

00:18:40.019 --> 00:18:41.299
 and a

00:18:41.299 --> 00:18:41.740
 man came

00:18:41.740 --> 00:18:42.059
 to him at

00:18:42.059 --> 00:18:42.459
 the end

00:18:42.459 --> 00:18:42.720
 and he

00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:42.859
 said,

00:18:42.980 --> 00:18:43.480
 what is it

00:18:43.480 --> 00:18:44.179
 about exercise

00:18:44.179 --> 00:18:45.299
 that cures

00:18:45.299 --> 00:18:45.819
 depression?

00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:47.139
 And that

00:18:47.139 --> 00:18:47.480
 was his

00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:48.000
 experience.

00:18:48.220 --> 00:18:48.319
 He had

00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:48.699
 been quite

00:18:48.699 --> 00:18:49.099
 severely

00:18:49.099 --> 00:18:49.720
 depressed,

00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:51.220
 and his

00:18:51.220 --> 00:18:51.859
 doctor told

00:18:51.859 --> 00:18:52.099
 him to

00:18:52.099 --> 00:18:52.599
 exercise,

00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:52.979
 and he

00:18:52.979 --> 00:18:53.259
 had got

00:18:53.259 --> 00:18:53.699
 into this

00:18:53.699 --> 00:18:54.159
 habit of

00:18:54.159 --> 00:18:54.659
 going out

00:18:54.659 --> 00:18:55.639
 for regular

00:18:55.639 --> 00:18:56.159
 walks,

00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:57.659
 and it

00:18:57.659 --> 00:18:58.539
 really transformed

00:18:58.539 --> 00:18:59.379
 how he felt.

00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:00.719
 So it is

00:19:00.719 --> 00:19:01.299
 important,

00:19:01.619 --> 00:19:02.539
 it won't cure

00:19:02.539 --> 00:19:03.240
 everybody like

00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:03.500
 that,

00:19:03.579 --> 00:19:04.019
 but it is

00:19:04.019 --> 00:19:04.740
 important to

00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:05.759
 get out there,

00:19:05.839 --> 00:19:06.639
 to do something

00:19:06.639 --> 00:19:07.159
 physical,

00:19:07.879 --> 00:19:09.079
 to keep a

00:19:09.079 --> 00:19:10.000
 routine going

00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:11.219
 of some sort.

00:19:11.299 --> 00:19:11.519
 Again,

00:19:11.579 --> 00:19:12.119
 with sleep,

00:19:12.679 --> 00:19:13.500
 there's a lot

00:19:13.500 --> 00:19:13.979
 of you might

00:19:13.979 --> 00:19:14.199
 think,

00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:14.659
 I need a

00:19:14.659 --> 00:19:15.240
 sleeping tablet,

00:19:15.379 --> 00:19:15.639
 I need

00:19:15.639 --> 00:19:16.119
 medication,

00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:17.659
 but there's

00:19:17.659 --> 00:19:18.239
 other things

00:19:18.239 --> 00:19:18.959
 you can do

00:19:18.959 --> 00:19:19.799
 to help

00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:20.399
 with sleep.

00:19:21.019 --> 00:19:21.719
 Doctors call

00:19:21.719 --> 00:19:22.099
 it sleep

00:19:22.099 --> 00:19:22.579
 hygiene,

00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:24.239
 sleep hygiene,

00:19:24.399 --> 00:19:24.739
 it doesn't

00:19:24.739 --> 00:19:25.299
 mean having

00:19:25.299 --> 00:19:25.719
 a wash

00:19:25.719 --> 00:19:26.099
 before you

00:19:26.099 --> 00:19:26.579
 go to bed,

00:19:26.719 --> 00:19:27.000
 but it's

00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:28.099
 just tidying

00:19:28.099 --> 00:19:29.439
 up your

00:19:29.439 --> 00:19:30.199
 sleeping.

00:19:30.859 --> 00:19:31.419
 For example,

00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:32.179
 not looking

00:19:32.179 --> 00:19:33.379
 at screens,

00:19:33.679 --> 00:19:34.279
 not doing

00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:35.259
 Facebook just

00:19:35.259 --> 00:19:35.699
 before you

00:19:35.699 --> 00:19:36.319
 go to bed,

00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:38.879
 not having

00:19:38.879 --> 00:19:39.619
 your tea

00:19:39.619 --> 00:19:40.179
 and coffee

00:19:40.179 --> 00:19:40.819
 maybe too

00:19:40.819 --> 00:19:41.319
 late in the

00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:41.599
 evening,

00:19:42.159 --> 00:19:43.259
 things like

00:19:43.259 --> 00:19:44.059
 that you can

00:19:44.059 --> 00:19:45.599
 change around

00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:46.419
 to perhaps

00:19:46.419 --> 00:19:47.599
 help your

00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.319
 chances of

00:19:49.319 --> 00:19:49.659
 getting a

00:19:49.659 --> 00:19:50.179
 good sleep.

00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:52.379
 Then visit

00:19:52.379 --> 00:19:52.879
 the doctor.

00:19:53.379 --> 00:19:53.939
 As I've

00:19:53.939 --> 00:19:54.299
 said,

00:19:54.419 --> 00:19:55.279
 if you're

00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:57.399
 feeling down

00:19:57.399 --> 00:19:58.639
 on most

00:19:58.639 --> 00:19:59.139
 days in the

00:19:59.139 --> 00:19:59.519
 two week

00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:00.159
 period and

00:20:00.159 --> 00:20:00.500
 you've got

00:20:00.500 --> 00:20:00.839
 some of

00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:01.279
 those other

00:20:01.279 --> 00:20:02.219
 symptoms and

00:20:02.219 --> 00:20:02.759
 you feel,

00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:03.000
 you know,

00:20:03.059 --> 00:20:03.619
 I think I

00:20:03.619 --> 00:20:05.039
 am depressed,

00:20:05.379 --> 00:20:05.779
 then go to

00:20:05.779 --> 00:20:06.279
 your doctor,

00:20:06.740 --> 00:20:07.240
 talk to your

00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:07.939
 doctor about

00:20:07.939 --> 00:20:09.279
 it and the

00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:09.819
 doctor will

00:20:09.819 --> 00:20:10.480
 most likely

00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:11.099
 do some of

00:20:11.099 --> 00:20:11.819
 those initial

00:20:11.819 --> 00:20:13.259
 blood tests

00:20:13.259 --> 00:20:15.079
 and give you

00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:15.899
 some advice,

00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:17.259
 you might be

00:20:17.259 --> 00:20:17.639
 thinking,

00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:18.559
 just give me

00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:18.939
 a tablet

00:20:18.939 --> 00:20:19.399
 doctor.

00:20:20.339 --> 00:20:21.740
 But that's

00:20:21.740 --> 00:20:22.419
 not necessarily

00:20:22.419 --> 00:20:22.919
 the best

00:20:22.919 --> 00:20:23.220
 thing.

00:20:23.899 --> 00:20:24.579
 When I was

00:20:24.579 --> 00:20:24.799
 young,

00:20:24.879 --> 00:20:25.299
 growing up in

00:20:25.299 --> 00:20:25.659
 the north,

00:20:25.740 --> 00:20:26.159
 there was an

00:20:26.159 --> 00:20:26.659
 ad on the

00:20:26.659 --> 00:20:28.139
 telly which

00:20:28.139 --> 00:20:28.919
 said something

00:20:28.919 --> 00:20:29.259
 like,

00:20:29.639 --> 00:20:30.139
 you don't need

00:20:30.139 --> 00:20:30.839
 a pill for

00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:31.500
 every ill,

00:20:31.879 --> 00:20:32.339
 let the

00:20:32.339 --> 00:20:33.240
 doctor decide.

00:20:33.899 --> 00:20:35.199
 And it's

00:20:35.199 --> 00:20:35.500
 true,

00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:36.579
 the answer

00:20:36.579 --> 00:20:37.119
 isn't always

00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:37.720
 in pills.

00:20:38.379 --> 00:20:39.119
 Sometimes the

00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:39.839
 doctor will

00:20:39.839 --> 00:20:42.639
 refer you for

00:20:42.639 --> 00:20:43.919
 counselling or

00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:44.720
 something like

00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:45.480
 CBT,

00:20:45.980 --> 00:20:46.279
 cognitive

00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:47.100
 behavioural

00:20:47.100 --> 00:20:47.500
 therapy.

00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:48.560
 An idea

00:20:48.560 --> 00:20:49.460
 of that is

00:20:49.460 --> 00:20:51.100
 affecting your

00:20:51.100 --> 00:20:52.120
 cognitive

00:20:52.120 --> 00:20:52.900
 function,

00:20:53.240 --> 00:20:53.600
 that's just

00:20:53.600 --> 00:20:54.160
 your thinking,

00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:54.920
 cognition,

00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:55.560
 thinking,

00:20:56.060 --> 00:20:57.120
 in order to

00:20:57.120 --> 00:20:57.580
 affect your

00:20:57.580 --> 00:20:57.980
 behaviour.

00:20:58.680 --> 00:20:59.200
 Because often

00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:00.019
 with depression

00:21:00.019 --> 00:21:01.039
 we've got

00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:02.259
 negative thoughts

00:21:02.259 --> 00:21:03.300
 and that leads

00:21:03.300 --> 00:21:04.200
 to negative

00:21:04.200 --> 00:21:04.820
 behaviour.

00:21:05.460 --> 00:21:05.880
 But if we

00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:06.580
 can challenge

00:21:06.580 --> 00:21:07.500
 our negative

00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:08.019
 thinking,

00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:08.660
 often our

00:21:08.660 --> 00:21:09.100
 false,

00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:09.920
 wrong thinking,

00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:11.539
 and remind

00:21:11.539 --> 00:21:12.100
 ourselves of

00:21:12.099 --> 00:21:12.399
 what is

00:21:12.399 --> 00:21:13.139
 actually true,

00:21:13.399 --> 00:21:13.839
 some good

00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:14.759
 thoughts that

00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:15.299
 can help

00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:15.959
 our behaviour.

00:21:16.459 --> 00:21:16.899
 That's what

00:21:16.899 --> 00:21:17.719
 CBT is,

00:21:18.459 --> 00:21:19.500
 in a nutshell,

00:21:19.899 --> 00:21:20.359
 that's the

00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:21.199
 basis of it.

00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:22.019
 So that can

00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:22.419
 often be

00:21:22.419 --> 00:21:22.779
 helpful.

00:21:23.740 --> 00:21:24.299
 So what about

00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:24.759
 the place of

00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:25.779
 medication and

00:21:25.779 --> 00:21:26.639
 psychiatrists?

00:21:26.959 --> 00:21:27.240
 Well,

00:21:27.759 --> 00:21:28.799
 medication does

00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:29.439
 have a part to

00:21:29.439 --> 00:21:29.819
 play.

00:21:31.099 --> 00:21:31.959
 I checked up

00:21:31.959 --> 00:21:32.779
 these statistics

00:21:32.779 --> 00:21:33.639
 with my wife

00:21:33.639 --> 00:21:35.319
 and the

00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:36.059
 thinking is

00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:38.299
 that medication

00:21:38.299 --> 00:21:40.079
 will help

00:21:40.079 --> 00:21:41.240
 around one

00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:42.059
 third of the

00:21:42.059 --> 00:21:42.940
 people who

00:21:42.940 --> 00:21:43.579
 have depression.

00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:44.399
 So around

00:21:44.399 --> 00:21:45.200
 one third of

00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:46.559
 those diagnosed

00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:47.379
 with depression

00:21:47.379 --> 00:21:48.240
 will improve

00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:49.460
 when they're

00:21:49.460 --> 00:21:50.339
 given medication.

00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:51.619
 A third

00:21:51.619 --> 00:21:52.259
 will just

00:21:52.259 --> 00:21:52.859
 stay the

00:21:52.859 --> 00:21:53.779
 same and

00:21:53.779 --> 00:21:54.379
 a third

00:21:54.379 --> 00:21:55.159
 will likely

00:21:55.159 --> 00:21:55.559
 end up

00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:56.299
 getting worse.

00:21:57.319 --> 00:21:57.960
 So it's

00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:59.399
 not the

00:21:59.399 --> 00:22:00.039
 cure for

00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:00.619
 everybody,

00:22:00.779 --> 00:22:01.180
 but it can

00:22:01.180 --> 00:22:01.779
 be helpful.

00:22:02.599 --> 00:22:03.099
 And you

00:22:03.099 --> 00:22:03.779
 maybe think,

00:22:03.940 --> 00:22:04.339
 well, why is

00:22:04.339 --> 00:22:04.819
 it helpful?

00:22:04.940 --> 00:22:05.339
 How does it

00:22:05.339 --> 00:22:05.599
 work?

00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.699
 And why

00:22:07.699 --> 00:22:07.959
 does it

00:22:07.959 --> 00:22:08.480
 not work?

00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:09.299
 Is it not

00:22:09.299 --> 00:22:09.899
 just that we

00:22:09.899 --> 00:22:10.639
 have got a

00:22:10.639 --> 00:22:11.899
 chemical imbalance

00:22:11.899 --> 00:22:12.919
 and surely if

00:22:12.919 --> 00:22:13.279
 you give a

00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:14.039
 tablet then

00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:14.539
 that will

00:22:14.539 --> 00:22:14.919
 help?

00:22:15.339 --> 00:22:15.719
 A bit like

00:22:15.719 --> 00:22:16.199
 the thyroid

00:22:16.199 --> 00:22:17.019
 problem that

00:22:17.019 --> 00:22:17.399
 we talked

00:22:17.399 --> 00:22:17.959
 about earlier.

00:22:18.439 --> 00:22:18.779
 But it's

00:22:18.779 --> 00:22:19.740
 not just as

00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:20.539
 straightforward as

00:22:20.539 --> 00:22:21.099
 that with

00:22:21.099 --> 00:22:22.240
 depression in

00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:22.659
 general.

00:22:23.779 --> 00:22:24.579
 You can't

00:22:24.579 --> 00:22:25.579
 do a test of

00:22:25.579 --> 00:22:26.139
 the chemicals

00:22:26.139 --> 00:22:26.959
 in your brain

00:22:26.959 --> 00:22:28.279
 to see what

00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:29.279
 needs boosted.

00:22:30.339 --> 00:22:31.139
 Doctors only

00:22:31.139 --> 00:22:32.919
 know that

00:22:32.919 --> 00:22:33.299
 there's a

00:22:33.299 --> 00:22:34.319
 chemical imbalance

00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:35.579
 from others

00:22:35.579 --> 00:22:36.879
 tests and

00:22:36.879 --> 00:22:37.699
 looking at

00:22:37.699 --> 00:22:39.119
 brains and

00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:40.099
 all kinds of

00:22:40.099 --> 00:22:40.579
 complicated

00:22:40.579 --> 00:22:41.779
 laboratory tests.

00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:43.000
 You see,

00:22:43.059 --> 00:22:43.679
 it could be

00:22:43.679 --> 00:22:44.019
 that the

00:22:44.019 --> 00:22:44.839
 chemicals are

00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:45.939
 imbalanced in

00:22:45.939 --> 00:22:46.439
 your brain

00:22:46.439 --> 00:22:47.439
 because your

00:22:47.439 --> 00:22:48.099
 thinking has

00:22:48.099 --> 00:22:48.759
 gone wrong.

00:22:49.699 --> 00:22:50.599
 So doctors

00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:51.539
 don't quite know

00:22:51.539 --> 00:22:53.000
 which leads

00:22:53.000 --> 00:22:53.599
 to which.

00:22:53.819 --> 00:22:54.679
 Maybe your

00:22:54.679 --> 00:22:56.339
 thinking isn't

00:22:56.339 --> 00:22:57.519
 going quite well

00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:58.159
 for various

00:22:58.159 --> 00:22:58.799
 factors and

00:22:58.799 --> 00:22:59.119
 then the

00:22:59.119 --> 00:22:59.799
 chemicals go

00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:00.079
 down.

00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:01.679
 and so

00:23:01.679 --> 00:23:02.859
 some of the

00:23:02.859 --> 00:23:03.419
 medication

00:23:03.419 --> 00:23:04.319
 that's used,

00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:06.500
 Prozac type

00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:07.559
 medication,

00:23:08.199 --> 00:23:09.359
 the family of

00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:09.779
 drugs,

00:23:10.199 --> 00:23:10.720
 are they

00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:11.559
 serotonin

00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:12.399
 reuptake

00:23:12.399 --> 00:23:13.059
 inhibitors.

00:23:13.379 --> 00:23:14.099
 So they boost

00:23:14.099 --> 00:23:15.259
 serotonin in

00:23:15.259 --> 00:23:16.740
 your brain and

00:23:16.740 --> 00:23:17.480
 that can help

00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:18.039
 some people.

00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:19.139
 You might worry

00:23:19.139 --> 00:23:19.980
 about medication,

00:23:20.139 --> 00:23:20.519
 will it be

00:23:20.519 --> 00:23:20.939
 addictive?

00:23:20.940 --> 00:23:22.380
 Well, the

00:23:22.380 --> 00:23:23.299
 types of

00:23:23.299 --> 00:23:24.080
 medication that

00:23:24.080 --> 00:23:25.240
 doctors tend to

00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:26.140
 use nowadays

00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:27.480
 aren't

00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.279
 addictive in

00:23:30.279 --> 00:23:31.180
 the same way

00:23:31.180 --> 00:23:32.440
 as some of

00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:33.180
 those that were

00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:33.880
 used more in

00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:34.900
 the past are.

00:23:35.420 --> 00:23:36.140
 And I mean

00:23:36.140 --> 00:23:37.700
 medications like

00:23:37.700 --> 00:23:38.940
 the benzodiazepine

00:23:38.940 --> 00:23:39.759
 family, like

00:23:39.759 --> 00:23:40.259
 Valium,

00:23:40.420 --> 00:23:41.140
 Diazepam,

00:23:41.620 --> 00:23:42.220
 D10s,

00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:42.860
 D5s,

00:23:42.940 --> 00:23:43.200
 whatever,

00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:44.059
 Xanax,

00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:45.299
 those types of

00:23:45.299 --> 00:23:45.960
 medication

00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:47.700
 aren't prescribed

00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:48.840
 near as much

00:23:48.840 --> 00:23:49.779
 by doctors now

00:23:49.779 --> 00:23:50.759
 and they do

00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:51.339
 tend to be

00:23:51.339 --> 00:23:51.940
 very addictive.

00:23:52.619 --> 00:23:53.200
 So the ones

00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:53.759
 that are used

00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:54.339
 more commonly

00:23:54.339 --> 00:23:54.859
 nowadays,

00:23:55.019 --> 00:23:55.839
 like Prozac

00:23:55.839 --> 00:23:57.399
 and the

00:23:57.399 --> 00:23:57.720
 like,

00:23:59.139 --> 00:24:00.759
 are not

00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:01.000
 near,

00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:01.759
 I wouldn't say

00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:02.500
 they're completely

00:24:02.500 --> 00:24:04.220
 non-addictive

00:24:04.220 --> 00:24:05.700
 because it can

00:24:05.700 --> 00:24:06.279
 be a bit

00:24:06.279 --> 00:24:07.319
 difficult coming

00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:08.099
 off and sometimes

00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:08.639
 they need to be

00:24:08.639 --> 00:24:09.960
 reduced down a bit

00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:10.779
 gradually and often

00:24:10.779 --> 00:24:11.639
 you do need to be

00:24:11.639 --> 00:24:12.440
 on them for a

00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:13.220
 significant length

00:24:13.220 --> 00:24:13.660
 of time.

00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:15.200
 But the thing to

00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:16.000
 remember about

00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.279
 medication is that

00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:18.339
 it's, even if it

00:24:18.339 --> 00:24:19.200
 does help you,

00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:19.920
 it's not the

00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:21.900
 whole answer.

00:24:22.779 --> 00:24:23.819
 If you think of it

00:24:23.819 --> 00:24:25.019
 a bit like being

00:24:25.019 --> 00:24:26.100
 stuck down a

00:24:26.100 --> 00:24:26.960
 slimy pit,

00:24:27.460 --> 00:24:28.559
 medication is a

00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:29.220
 bit like giving

00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:30.100
 you a leg up

00:24:30.100 --> 00:24:31.039
 so that you can

00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:32.400
 start to begin

00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:33.160
 to think more

00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:34.000
 clearly and

00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:35.019
 climb your way

00:24:35.019 --> 00:24:35.779
 out of the pit.

00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:37.539
 It's not just

00:24:37.539 --> 00:24:38.620
 as simple as

00:24:38.620 --> 00:24:39.080
 if I get the

00:24:39.080 --> 00:24:39.559
 right tablet

00:24:39.559 --> 00:24:40.279
 then I'll be

00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:40.620
 okay.

00:24:41.100 --> 00:24:41.539
 The tablet

00:24:41.539 --> 00:24:42.759
 helps you to

00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:43.440
 think clearly

00:24:43.440 --> 00:24:44.720
 and address some

00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:45.080
 of the other

00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:45.559
 issues.

00:24:46.539 --> 00:24:47.319
 So going to

00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:48.500
 psychiatrists then,

00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:49.299
 yes, they do

00:24:49.299 --> 00:24:49.900
 have a part to

00:24:49.900 --> 00:24:51.339
 play in more

00:24:51.339 --> 00:24:52.240
 severe or

00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:53.160
 complicated

00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:54.759
 depression and

00:24:54.759 --> 00:24:55.460
 going to a

00:24:55.460 --> 00:24:56.519
 psychiatrist can

00:24:56.519 --> 00:24:57.839
 be helpful.

00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:00.900
 So is that

00:25:00.900 --> 00:25:01.160
 it?

00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:02.440
 Is that all?

00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.019
 That's a question

00:25:04.019 --> 00:25:05.500
 that occurred to

00:25:05.500 --> 00:25:08.500
 me quite a lot

00:25:08.500 --> 00:25:08.960
 when I was

00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:09.599
 working as a

00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:09.880
 GP.

00:25:10.579 --> 00:25:11.619
 Is that all

00:25:11.619 --> 00:25:12.119
 we can do?

00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.419
 I, after I

00:25:15.419 --> 00:25:16.500
 finished studying

00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:17.399
 medicine at

00:25:17.399 --> 00:25:18.179
 university, I

00:25:18.179 --> 00:25:18.759
 went and worked

00:25:18.759 --> 00:25:19.500
 in the hospitals

00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:20.979
 for a few years

00:25:20.979 --> 00:25:21.739
 and then I did

00:25:21.739 --> 00:25:23.359
 some training in

00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:24.019
 general practice

00:25:24.019 --> 00:25:24.479
 and that was

00:25:24.479 --> 00:25:25.039
 right up on the

00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:25.679
 north coast.

00:25:26.119 --> 00:25:26.559
 So you're right

00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:27.179
 down here in the

00:25:27.179 --> 00:25:27.899
 south, aren't you?

00:25:27.959 --> 00:25:28.739
 And I was up on

00:25:28.739 --> 00:25:29.500
 the north coast

00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:30.139
 near the Giants

00:25:30.139 --> 00:25:32.119
 Causeway where

00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:32.699
 they have a

00:25:32.699 --> 00:25:33.519
 funny accent.

00:25:34.139 --> 00:25:34.679
 They almost

00:25:34.679 --> 00:25:35.419
 sound Scottish,

00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:36.159
 even funnier

00:25:36.159 --> 00:25:37.079
 accent than me.

00:25:37.579 --> 00:25:38.239
 In fact, one of

00:25:38.239 --> 00:25:38.939
 the first patients

00:25:38.939 --> 00:25:39.619
 that came in,

00:25:39.619 --> 00:25:40.500
 he sat down

00:25:40.500 --> 00:25:41.000
 in the chair

00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:41.739
 and he said,

00:25:41.899 --> 00:25:42.699
 a hey, a hack.

00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:44.519
 And I looked at

00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:45.119
 him and I said,

00:25:45.159 --> 00:25:45.779
 could you repeat

00:25:45.779 --> 00:25:46.319
 that please?

00:25:46.379 --> 00:25:47.779
 He said, a hey, a

00:25:47.779 --> 00:25:48.079
 hack.

00:25:48.419 --> 00:25:48.919
 And what he was

00:25:48.919 --> 00:25:49.659
 saying was, I

00:25:49.659 --> 00:25:51.099
 have a cough.

00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:52.479
 A hey, a hack.

00:25:53.059 --> 00:25:53.979
 So I had to

00:25:53.979 --> 00:25:54.759
 learn that sort

00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:55.619
 of Ulster Scots

00:25:55.619 --> 00:25:56.699
 language up there.

00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:57.539
 But when I

00:25:57.539 --> 00:25:58.139
 learned it and

00:25:58.139 --> 00:25:58.719
 when I got to

00:25:58.719 --> 00:25:59.419
 talk to people,

00:26:00.199 --> 00:26:01.919
 I realised that

00:26:01.919 --> 00:26:02.479
 yes, it could

00:26:02.479 --> 00:26:03.500
 help some people

00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:04.659
 with medication

00:26:04.659 --> 00:26:06.359
 and referring them

00:26:06.359 --> 00:26:07.179
 to hospital for

00:26:07.179 --> 00:26:08.019
 operations and

00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:09.179
 others through

00:26:09.180 --> 00:26:11.180
 medication for

00:26:11.180 --> 00:26:12.140
 their mind and

00:26:12.140 --> 00:26:13.120
 counselling.

00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:15.580
 But I could

00:26:15.580 --> 00:26:16.360
 see as well,

00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:16.980
 there were other

00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:17.500
 issues.

00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:18.500
 People had

00:26:18.500 --> 00:26:20.299
 spiritual problems

00:26:20.299 --> 00:26:22.279
 and that was

00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:23.420
 part of what

00:26:23.420 --> 00:26:25.740
 led me from

00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:27.519
 being a doctor

00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:29.060
 full-time to

00:26:29.060 --> 00:26:30.100
 being a doctor

00:26:30.100 --> 00:26:31.120
 part-time for a

00:26:31.120 --> 00:26:31.940
 little while and

00:26:31.940 --> 00:26:32.460
 then being a

00:26:32.460 --> 00:26:33.940
 full-time Christian

00:26:33.940 --> 00:26:35.140
 pastor as I

00:26:35.140 --> 00:26:36.320
 work out now.

00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:37.740
 And so just

00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:40.159
 before we come

00:26:40.159 --> 00:26:40.919
 to the question

00:26:40.919 --> 00:26:41.899
 time, just

00:26:41.899 --> 00:26:43.679
 explain a little

00:26:43.679 --> 00:26:44.539
 bit of where the

00:26:44.539 --> 00:26:45.819
 spiritual aspect of

00:26:45.819 --> 00:26:47.439
 things I think

00:26:47.439 --> 00:26:48.579
 comes into

00:26:48.579 --> 00:26:49.859
 something like

00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:50.379
 depression.

00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:52.339
 One of the

00:26:52.339 --> 00:26:52.839
 early church

00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:53.619
 fathers was a

00:26:53.619 --> 00:26:54.679
 man called

00:26:54.679 --> 00:26:58.059
 St. Augustine.

00:26:58.639 --> 00:27:00.339
 And he,

00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.379
 oh yeah, I was

00:27:01.379 --> 00:27:01.819
 going to show you

00:27:01.819 --> 00:27:02.399
 that first.

00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:03.460
 Because we're

00:27:03.460 --> 00:27:04.599
 not just mental

00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:05.459
 and physical, but

00:27:05.459 --> 00:27:06.119
 we're spiritual

00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:07.399
 beings and it

00:27:07.399 --> 00:27:08.319
 all interacts with

00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:08.659
 each other.

00:27:08.740 --> 00:27:09.199
 That's why the

00:27:09.199 --> 00:27:09.699
 spiritual is

00:27:09.699 --> 00:27:10.099
 important.

00:27:10.579 --> 00:27:11.179
 And here's what

00:27:11.179 --> 00:27:12.359
 Augustine said.

00:27:12.779 --> 00:27:13.439
 He said about

00:27:13.439 --> 00:27:14.699
 God, you have

00:27:14.699 --> 00:27:15.399
 made us for

00:27:15.399 --> 00:27:17.119
 yourself and we

00:27:17.119 --> 00:27:19.000
 are restless until

00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:20.459
 we find our rest

00:27:20.459 --> 00:27:21.519
 in you.

00:27:22.259 --> 00:27:22.740
 So you see what

00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:23.759
 he's saying to

00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:24.079
 God?

00:27:24.179 --> 00:27:24.959
 You've made us

00:27:24.959 --> 00:27:27.179
 for yourself and

00:27:27.179 --> 00:27:28.059
 so we're restless.

00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:28.919
 There's an inner

00:27:28.919 --> 00:27:29.480
 restlessness.

00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:30.380
 Even people who

00:27:30.380 --> 00:27:31.160
 have never

00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:31.700
 suffered from

00:27:31.700 --> 00:27:32.220
 depression,

00:27:32.460 --> 00:27:33.000
 there's still,

00:27:33.940 --> 00:27:34.380
 people have

00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:35.240
 described it as

00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:36.940
 like a God

00:27:36.940 --> 00:27:37.579
 shaped hole.

00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:38.299
 Something,

00:27:38.599 --> 00:27:39.519
 something missing.

00:27:40.380 --> 00:27:41.640
 And I'd say that

00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:42.299
 was part of what

00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:42.900
 led me out of

00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:43.240
 medicine.

00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:44.640
 To be able to

00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:45.460
 explain, I

00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:46.140
 couldn't sit in

00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:46.660
 the doctor's

00:27:46.660 --> 00:27:47.799
 surgery and talk

00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:48.360
 to people about

00:27:48.360 --> 00:27:49.660
 God all day.

00:27:50.099 --> 00:27:50.839
 We had like

00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:51.700
 seven minutes or

00:27:51.700 --> 00:27:52.319
 something to see

00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:52.680
 people.

00:27:52.940 --> 00:27:54.059
 So the waiting

00:27:54.059 --> 00:27:54.660
 room would soon

00:27:54.660 --> 00:27:55.220
 fill up.

00:27:55.220 --> 00:27:57.460
 And so

00:27:57.460 --> 00:27:58.480
 anyway, that was

00:27:58.480 --> 00:27:59.019
 part of what

00:27:59.019 --> 00:28:00.259
 led me to

00:28:00.259 --> 00:28:02.259
 leave medicine

00:28:02.259 --> 00:28:03.180
 at that time.

00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:06.180
 Even better than

00:28:06.180 --> 00:28:07.059
 Augustine, we can

00:28:07.059 --> 00:28:08.000
 go back to the

00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.220
 source itself,

00:28:09.360 --> 00:28:09.839
 back to the

00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:10.180
 Bible.

00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:13.279
 And Peter, who

00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:14.259
 wrote one of the

00:28:14.259 --> 00:28:14.839
 books, the New

00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:15.660
 Testament, St.

00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.539
 Peter, described

00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:19.200
 our existence as

00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:20.079
 being like an

00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:20.640
 empty way of

00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:20.980
 life.

00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:21.799
 And it's

00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:22.200
 something that

00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:22.799
 was passed

00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:23.400
 down from

00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.100
 generation to

00:28:24.100 --> 00:28:24.600
 generation.

00:28:25.220 --> 00:28:25.940
 And in

00:28:25.940 --> 00:28:26.819
 Peter's first

00:28:26.819 --> 00:28:27.940
 letter, he

00:28:27.940 --> 00:28:28.620
 said it like

00:28:28.620 --> 00:28:29.059
 this.

00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:30.039
 And we talked

00:28:30.039 --> 00:28:30.480
 about the way

00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:31.079
 we can be

00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.240
 delivered or

00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:34.140
 redeemed, as he

00:28:34.140 --> 00:28:35.039
 said, set free

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:35.740
 from this empty

00:28:35.740 --> 00:28:36.299
 way of life.

00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:37.140
 He says, it

00:28:37.140 --> 00:28:37.700
 wasn't with

00:28:37.700 --> 00:28:38.640
 perishable things

00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:39.339
 such as silver

00:28:39.339 --> 00:28:40.440
 or gold that

00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:40.900
 you were

00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:42.019
 redeemed from

00:28:42.019 --> 00:28:42.420
 the empty

00:28:42.420 --> 00:28:43.079
 way of life,

00:28:43.380 --> 00:28:44.100
 but with the

00:28:44.100 --> 00:28:44.920
 precious blood

00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:46.160
 of Jesus.

00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:47.980
 So he's

00:28:47.980 --> 00:28:48.299
 saying it's

00:28:48.299 --> 00:28:48.700
 not through

00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:49.420
 getting lots of

00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:50.319
 stuff, silver

00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:50.759
 and gold.

00:28:51.420 --> 00:28:51.940
 We've tried

00:28:51.940 --> 00:28:52.279
 that in

00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:53.039
 Ireland, haven't

00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:53.220
 we?

00:28:53.220 --> 00:28:56.819
 And it's

00:28:56.819 --> 00:28:57.299
 nice to have

00:28:57.299 --> 00:28:57.860
 nice things.

00:28:58.019 --> 00:28:58.420
 We're a lot

00:28:58.420 --> 00:28:59.240
 better off than

00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:00.140
 we were 40,

00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:01.180
 50 years ago in

00:29:01.180 --> 00:29:01.640
 Ireland, maybe

00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:02.420
 even 30 years

00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:02.799
 ago in

00:29:02.799 --> 00:29:03.620
 Ireland, back

00:29:03.620 --> 00:29:04.220
 in the 80s.

00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:06.839
 But it

00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:07.440
 doesn't deal

00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:07.960
 with all the

00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:08.819
 inner problems.

00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:09.940
 And Peter's

00:29:09.940 --> 00:29:11.420
 saying in this

00:29:11.420 --> 00:29:11.940
 part of the

00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:12.420
 Bible, well,

00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:13.240
 there's something

00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:13.600
 more.

00:29:14.420 --> 00:29:15.079
 It's through

00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:15.839
 Jesus that

00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:16.400
 there can be

00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:17.079
 this freedom.

00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:20.159
 But here's

00:29:20.159 --> 00:29:20.619
 a fact.

00:29:20.879 --> 00:29:21.399
 Christians,

00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:24.139
 those who

00:29:24.139 --> 00:29:25.939
 have a

00:29:25.939 --> 00:29:26.240
 personal

00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:26.779
 relationship

00:29:26.779 --> 00:29:27.539
 with God

00:29:27.539 --> 00:29:28.240
 through Jesus,

00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:29.519
 also get

00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:30.139
 depressed.

00:29:30.539 --> 00:29:30.939
 In fact,

00:29:32.819 --> 00:29:33.419
 one of those

00:29:33.419 --> 00:29:35.039
 descriptions of

00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:35.659
 depression that

00:29:35.659 --> 00:29:36.399
 I read to you

00:29:36.399 --> 00:29:37.139
 earlier came

00:29:37.139 --> 00:29:37.919
 from a famous

00:29:37.919 --> 00:29:40.199
 Christian pastor.

00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.600
 So Christians

00:29:42.600 --> 00:29:43.200
 also get

00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:43.740
 depressed.

00:29:44.180 --> 00:29:44.559
 And you

00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:44.860
 might say,

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:45.660
 well, surely

00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:46.200
 that should just

00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:46.700
 sort out all

00:29:46.700 --> 00:29:47.319
 your problems.

00:29:47.660 --> 00:29:48.840
 You get the

00:29:48.840 --> 00:29:49.519
 spiritual help.

00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:50.620
 But we have

00:29:50.620 --> 00:29:51.380
 to remember that

00:29:51.380 --> 00:29:51.860
 we're not just

00:29:51.860 --> 00:29:52.640
 spiritual beings,

00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:53.220
 but we are

00:29:53.220 --> 00:29:54.600
 mental,

00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:55.380
 psychological

00:29:55.380 --> 00:29:56.519
 aspect to us.

00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:57.340
 And we're

00:29:57.340 --> 00:29:58.000
 physical as

00:29:58.000 --> 00:29:58.259
 well.

00:29:58.360 --> 00:29:59.039
 So all these

00:29:59.039 --> 00:29:59.440
 things are

00:29:59.440 --> 00:29:59.840
 going on

00:29:59.840 --> 00:30:00.259
 together.

00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:00.379
 together.

00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:02.259
 But the

00:30:02.259 --> 00:30:02.859
 good news is

00:30:02.859 --> 00:30:04.019
 that not

00:30:04.019 --> 00:30:05.720
 only can

00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:06.759
 we get

00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:07.879
 help from

00:30:07.879 --> 00:30:09.599
 doctors and

00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:10.259
 psychologists

00:30:10.259 --> 00:30:11.339
 and so on,

00:30:11.779 --> 00:30:12.900
 but there's

00:30:12.900 --> 00:30:13.740
 other help

00:30:13.740 --> 00:30:14.619
 there in

00:30:14.619 --> 00:30:15.819
 the Bible.

00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:16.819
 It's a

00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:18.240
 resource for

00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:19.059
 people with

00:30:19.059 --> 00:30:19.420
 different

00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:20.079
 conditions.

00:30:20.339 --> 00:30:20.599
 There's a

00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:21.019
 book in the

00:30:21.019 --> 00:30:21.359
 middle of the

00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:21.940
 Bible that's

00:30:21.940 --> 00:30:22.359
 especially

00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:22.819
 helpful,

00:30:23.319 --> 00:30:24.059
 the Psalms,

00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:25.059
 and those

00:30:25.059 --> 00:30:25.640
 were the

00:30:25.640 --> 00:30:27.819
 songs and

00:30:27.819 --> 00:30:28.539
 poems,

00:30:28.900 --> 00:30:29.220
 really,

00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:29.599
 about

00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:30.339
 experience

00:30:30.339 --> 00:30:31.000
 with God.

00:30:31.859 --> 00:30:33.319
 And there's

00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:33.719
 one in

00:30:33.719 --> 00:30:34.459
 particular that

00:30:34.459 --> 00:30:35.039
 I just want

00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:36.779
 to focus

00:30:36.779 --> 00:30:37.459
 in on and

00:30:37.459 --> 00:30:38.839
 just finish

00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:40.379
 off by

00:30:40.379 --> 00:30:41.279
 looking at

00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:41.439
 it.

00:30:41.500 --> 00:30:42.299
 Psalm 42

00:30:42.299 --> 00:30:43.099
 and 43.

00:30:44.959 --> 00:30:45.719
 We have

00:30:45.719 --> 00:30:46.259
 some little

00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:48.259
 booklets

00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:48.740
 that are,

00:30:49.459 --> 00:30:49.980
 there's some

00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:50.519
 literature

00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:51.539
 down the

00:30:51.539 --> 00:30:51.980
 back,

00:30:52.399 --> 00:30:53.319
 and one

00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:53.719
 of them is

00:30:53.719 --> 00:30:54.099
 this little

00:30:54.099 --> 00:30:54.539
 one called

00:30:54.539 --> 00:30:54.859
 Finding

00:30:54.859 --> 00:30:55.219
 Hope.

00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:55.879
 So that's

00:30:55.879 --> 00:30:56.039
 good.

00:30:56.639 --> 00:30:57.039
 A number

00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:57.459
 of verses

00:30:57.459 --> 00:30:57.839
 from the

00:30:57.839 --> 00:30:58.179
 Bible,

00:30:58.339 --> 00:30:58.819
 quite a few

00:30:58.819 --> 00:30:59.240
 from the

00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:00.079
 Psalms in

00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:00.299
 it,

00:31:00.740 --> 00:31:01.319
 something that

00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:01.619
 might be

00:31:01.619 --> 00:31:02.179
 helpful to

00:31:02.179 --> 00:31:02.519
 some of

00:31:02.519 --> 00:31:02.720
 you.

00:31:04.099 --> 00:31:04.559
 And one

00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:04.799
 of the

00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:05.179
 Psalms,

00:31:05.339 --> 00:31:06.539
 the Psalms

00:31:06.539 --> 00:31:07.019
 deal with

00:31:07.019 --> 00:31:07.839
 all different

00:31:07.839 --> 00:31:08.240
 kinds of

00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:08.919
 emotions in

00:31:08.919 --> 00:31:09.439
 their lives,

00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.599
 and it's

00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:12.319
 good to read

00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:12.899
 something like

00:31:12.899 --> 00:31:13.299
 that and

00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:14.220
 perhaps to

00:31:14.220 --> 00:31:15.419
 help have

00:31:15.419 --> 00:31:16.339
 it explained

00:31:16.339 --> 00:31:16.899
 to you.

00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:18.099
 Johnny

00:31:18.099 --> 00:31:18.759
 mentioned that

00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:19.220
 the church

00:31:19.220 --> 00:31:19.919
 here meets

00:31:19.919 --> 00:31:20.720
 on a Sunday,

00:31:20.879 --> 00:31:21.179
 and that's

00:31:21.179 --> 00:31:21.619
 something I

00:31:21.619 --> 00:31:22.039
 know that

00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:23.039
 everybody would

00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:23.419
 be welcome

00:31:23.419 --> 00:31:23.720
 to,

00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:25.180
 and part

00:31:25.180 --> 00:31:25.620
 of that

00:31:25.620 --> 00:31:26.519
 is explaining

00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:28.700
 what the

00:31:28.700 --> 00:31:29.200
 Bible is

00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:30.339
 saying and

00:31:30.339 --> 00:31:31.059
 showing how

00:31:31.059 --> 00:31:31.620
 it's relevant

00:31:31.620 --> 00:31:32.039
 to our

00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:32.440
 lives.

00:31:33.660 --> 00:31:34.059
 One of the

00:31:34.059 --> 00:31:34.559
 places down

00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:34.759
 in the

00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:35.380
 Bible that's

00:31:35.380 --> 00:31:35.920
 helpful for

00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:36.640
 depression is

00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:37.339
 Psalm 42

00:31:37.339 --> 00:31:38.039
 and 43.

00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:39.400
 These Psalms

00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:39.940
 kind of go

00:31:39.940 --> 00:31:40.380
 together,

00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:42.140
 and I just

00:31:42.140 --> 00:31:42.660
 want to point

00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:43.180
 out a couple

00:31:43.180 --> 00:31:43.980
 of things in

00:31:43.980 --> 00:31:44.720
 it to you.

00:31:45.259 --> 00:31:46.259
 It seems like

00:31:46.259 --> 00:31:46.900
 the man who

00:31:46.900 --> 00:31:47.759
 wrote this

00:31:47.759 --> 00:31:49.019
 Psalm was

00:31:49.019 --> 00:31:49.559
 depressed.

00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.639
 I know

00:31:51.639 --> 00:31:52.159
 it's a bit

00:31:52.159 --> 00:31:52.619
 small,

00:31:52.779 --> 00:31:53.059
 but I'll

00:31:53.059 --> 00:31:53.700
 just read

00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:54.240
 it out for

00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:54.519
 you.

00:31:54.819 --> 00:31:55.460
 Verse 3

00:31:55.460 --> 00:31:55.799
 there,

00:31:55.899 --> 00:31:56.279
 he says,

00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:57.139
 My tears

00:31:57.139 --> 00:31:58.119
 have been

00:31:58.119 --> 00:31:58.980
 my food

00:31:58.980 --> 00:32:00.720
 day and

00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:01.220
 night.

00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:02.220
 So he's

00:32:02.220 --> 00:32:02.879
 got tears,

00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:03.779
 he's crying,

00:32:03.980 --> 00:32:04.559
 he's sad.

00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:05.419
 He says,

00:32:05.480 --> 00:32:05.859
 My tears

00:32:05.859 --> 00:32:06.159
 have been

00:32:06.159 --> 00:32:06.700
 my food,

00:32:07.159 --> 00:32:07.440
 so he's

00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:07.879
 not eating

00:32:07.879 --> 00:32:08.559
 very much.

00:32:08.779 --> 00:32:09.359
 Your tears

00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:09.659
 are your

00:32:09.659 --> 00:32:10.000
 food,

00:32:10.179 --> 00:32:10.460
 you're not

00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:10.659
 going to

00:32:10.659 --> 00:32:10.940
 put on

00:32:10.940 --> 00:32:11.379
 much weight.

00:32:12.019 --> 00:32:12.559
 And he

00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:12.879
 says it's

00:32:12.879 --> 00:32:13.220
 day and

00:32:13.220 --> 00:32:13.500
 night,

00:32:13.819 --> 00:32:14.059
 so it's

00:32:14.059 --> 00:32:14.419
 affecting

00:32:14.419 --> 00:32:14.980
 his sleep.

00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:15.539
 So just

00:32:15.539 --> 00:32:15.859
 in that

00:32:15.859 --> 00:32:16.159
 little

00:32:16.159 --> 00:32:16.740
 phrase,

00:32:16.879 --> 00:32:17.000
 you've

00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:17.619
 got a

00:32:17.619 --> 00:32:18.099
 number of

00:32:18.099 --> 00:32:18.679
 the symptoms

00:32:18.679 --> 00:32:19.019
 of

00:32:19.019 --> 00:32:19.539
 depression,

00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:20.779
 I should

00:32:20.779 --> 00:32:21.039
 have said

00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:21.379
 earlier

00:32:21.379 --> 00:32:24.019
 that with

00:32:24.019 --> 00:32:25.059
 medication,

00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.480
 I did

00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:27.919
 say that

00:32:27.919 --> 00:32:28.279
 it didn't

00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:28.619
 help

00:32:28.619 --> 00:32:29.200
 everybody,

00:32:29.399 --> 00:32:29.819
 but it

00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:30.480
 can be

00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:31.019
 helpful

00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:31.759
 with

00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:32.379
 the,

00:32:32.980 --> 00:32:35.220
 especially

00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:35.899
 with the

00:32:35.899 --> 00:32:36.940
 symptoms like

00:32:36.940 --> 00:32:37.659
 sleeping and

00:32:37.659 --> 00:32:38.000
 eating,

00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:39.079
 what's called

00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:39.799
 the physical

00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:40.460
 or biological

00:32:40.460 --> 00:32:41.220
 symptoms of

00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:41.679
 depression.

00:32:42.339 --> 00:32:42.779
 But this

00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:43.139
 man,

00:32:43.399 --> 00:32:43.679
 writing,

00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:44.899
 as the

00:32:44.899 --> 00:32:45.399
 Psalms were

00:32:45.399 --> 00:32:45.799
 written about

00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.159
 a thousand

00:32:46.159 --> 00:32:46.799
 years ago,

00:32:47.299 --> 00:32:48.460
 people suffered

00:32:48.460 --> 00:32:49.079
 from depression

00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:49.699
 back then

00:32:49.699 --> 00:32:50.000
 too,

00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:50.619
 he didn't

00:32:50.619 --> 00:32:51.059
 have access

00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:51.839
 to medication,

00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:52.439
 so how

00:32:52.439 --> 00:32:53.379
 could he

00:32:53.379 --> 00:32:53.919
 be helped?

00:32:54.399 --> 00:32:54.639
 Well,

00:32:55.299 --> 00:32:56.279
 one of the

00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:56.539
 ways,

00:32:56.619 --> 00:32:57.240
 we've mentioned

00:32:57.240 --> 00:32:57.720
 about the

00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:58.240
 value of

00:32:58.240 --> 00:32:58.899
 talking to

00:32:58.899 --> 00:32:59.339
 others,

00:33:00.199 --> 00:33:02.359
 and do you

00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:02.720
 know who the

00:33:02.720 --> 00:33:03.519
 most influential

00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.220
 person is,

00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:06.299
 the most influential

00:33:06.299 --> 00:33:08.179
 human being is

00:33:08.179 --> 00:33:10.259
 in your life?

00:33:10.879 --> 00:33:11.079
 Well,

00:33:11.139 --> 00:33:11.779
 it's the person

00:33:11.779 --> 00:33:12.619
 who talks to

00:33:12.619 --> 00:33:13.279
 you the most,

00:33:14.199 --> 00:33:14.619
 and you know

00:33:14.619 --> 00:33:15.199
 who the person

00:33:15.199 --> 00:33:15.899
 who talks to

00:33:15.899 --> 00:33:16.519
 you the most

00:33:16.519 --> 00:33:16.839
 is,

00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:17.960
 it's you,

00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:18.579
 yourself.

00:33:19.099 --> 00:33:19.400
 That's right,

00:33:19.460 --> 00:33:19.720
 because we're

00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:20.259
 always talking

00:33:20.259 --> 00:33:20.799
 to ourselves.

00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:21.299
 From the moment

00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:21.759
 we get up in

00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:22.180
 the morning,

00:33:22.339 --> 00:33:22.879
 we're just

00:33:22.879 --> 00:33:23.180
 kind of

00:33:23.180 --> 00:33:23.859
 conversation

00:33:23.859 --> 00:33:24.519
 going on.

00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:26.099
 And just

00:33:26.099 --> 00:33:26.460
 like we

00:33:26.460 --> 00:33:26.779
 mentioned

00:33:26.779 --> 00:33:27.639
 earlier about

00:33:27.639 --> 00:33:28.940
 cognitive

00:33:28.940 --> 00:33:29.660
 behavioural

00:33:29.660 --> 00:33:29.980
 therapy,

00:33:29.980 --> 00:33:30.599
 it's good to

00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.339
 challenge the

00:33:31.339 --> 00:33:32.480
 negative thoughts,

00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:33.619
 and that's

00:33:33.619 --> 00:33:34.119
 actually what

00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:34.879
 this man does

00:33:34.879 --> 00:33:35.599
 in this psalm.

00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:36.579
 He talks to

00:33:36.579 --> 00:33:36.900
 himself,

00:33:36.980 --> 00:33:37.240
 look at

00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:37.879
 verse 5

00:33:37.879 --> 00:33:38.379
 down at the

00:33:38.379 --> 00:33:38.940
 bottom there,

00:33:39.220 --> 00:33:40.019
 why are you

00:33:40.019 --> 00:33:40.779
 downcast?

00:33:40.940 --> 00:33:41.799
 Oh my soul,

00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:42.920
 speaking to

00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:43.400
 himself,

00:33:43.900 --> 00:33:44.400
 speaking to

00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:44.980
 yourself isn't

00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:45.420
 a sign of

00:33:45.420 --> 00:33:45.759
 madness.

00:33:46.539 --> 00:33:46.900
 It's actually

00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:47.480
 very good,

00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:47.759
 you don't

00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:48.240
 have to do

00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:48.500
 it out

00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:48.839
 loud,

00:33:49.420 --> 00:33:50.059
 or you

00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:50.359
 can if

00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:50.619
 you want,

00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.339
 but why

00:33:52.339 --> 00:33:53.500
 so disturbed

00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:54.259
 within me?

00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:55.000
 He's asking

00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:55.319
 himself,

00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:55.779
 why are you

00:33:55.779 --> 00:33:56.200
 so down?

00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:57.140
 And then he

00:33:57.140 --> 00:33:57.839
 gives himself

00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.240
 some good

00:33:58.240 --> 00:33:58.680
 advice,

00:33:58.779 --> 00:33:59.119
 he says,

00:33:59.240 --> 00:33:59.640
 put your

00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:00.420
 hope in

00:34:00.420 --> 00:34:00.759
 God,

00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:01.900
 for I will

00:34:01.900 --> 00:34:02.480
 yet praise

00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:02.660
 him,

00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:03.519
 my saviour

00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:03.940
 and my

00:34:03.940 --> 00:34:04.240
 God.

00:34:04.339 --> 00:34:04.619
 So he's

00:34:04.619 --> 00:34:05.059
 someone who

00:34:05.059 --> 00:34:05.640
 knows God

00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:06.180
 personally,

00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:07.160
 and it's

00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:07.779
 possible to

00:34:07.779 --> 00:34:08.179
 come into

00:34:08.179 --> 00:34:08.820
 that personal

00:34:08.820 --> 00:34:09.440
 relationship,

00:34:09.980 --> 00:34:10.619
 and he's

00:34:10.619 --> 00:34:11.300
 telling himself,

00:34:11.420 --> 00:34:11.719
 put your

00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:12.079
 hope in

00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:12.360
 God.

00:34:12.820 --> 00:34:13.340
 So he's

00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:14.260
 speaking truth

00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:14.920
 to himself,

00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:15.860
 and it's

00:34:15.860 --> 00:34:16.220
 just an

00:34:16.220 --> 00:34:16.800
 example of

00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.039
 what we

00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:17.420
 need to

00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:17.820
 do,

00:34:18.260 --> 00:34:19.380
 not just

00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:20.000
 for depression,

00:34:20.180 --> 00:34:20.480
 but for

00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:22.019
 other issues

00:34:22.019 --> 00:34:22.480
 that can

00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:23.099
 trouble us

00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:24.099
 in life.

00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:24.940
 It's something

00:34:24.940 --> 00:34:25.519
 you can also

00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:25.980
 do for

00:34:25.980 --> 00:34:26.400
 others.

00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:28.059
 So how can

00:34:28.059 --> 00:34:28.519
 you help

00:34:28.519 --> 00:34:29.000
 others?

00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:30.159
 Well, you

00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:30.739
 can speak

00:34:30.739 --> 00:34:31.380
 truth to

00:34:31.380 --> 00:34:31.760
 them,

00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.360
 you kind

00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:33.679
 of have

00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:35.039
 to gain

00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:36.579
 their trust,

00:34:37.059 --> 00:34:37.440
 and you

00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:37.880
 can't just

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:38.559
 go in,

00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:39.260
 jump in,

00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:40.360
 put yourself

00:34:40.360 --> 00:34:40.800
 together,

00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:41.699
 that's probably

00:34:41.699 --> 00:34:42.159
 not going to

00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:42.860
 help anybody,

00:34:43.380 --> 00:34:43.980
 but you

00:34:43.980 --> 00:34:44.559
 need to

00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:45.500
 draw alongside.

00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:45.980
 In the

00:34:45.980 --> 00:34:46.480
 New Testament

00:34:46.480 --> 00:34:46.840
 there's a

00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:47.480
 lovely phrase

00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:49.320
 about speaking

00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:49.980
 the truth

00:34:49.980 --> 00:34:50.739
 in love.

00:34:51.019 --> 00:34:51.760
 Truth and

00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:52.719
 love together

00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:54.159
 can be

00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:54.920
 such a

00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:55.199
 help.

00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:56.279
 Then,

00:34:57.359 --> 00:34:57.719
 as the

00:34:57.719 --> 00:34:58.199
 psalm goes

00:34:58.199 --> 00:34:58.559
 on,

00:34:58.819 --> 00:34:59.699
 he describes

00:34:59.699 --> 00:35:00.500
 his condition

00:35:00.500 --> 00:35:01.019
 in another

00:35:01.019 --> 00:35:02.039
 poetical way.

00:35:02.419 --> 00:35:02.719
 He says

00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:03.039
 there in

00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:03.579
 verse 7,

00:35:03.739 --> 00:35:04.399
 Deep calls

00:35:04.399 --> 00:35:05.059
 to deep

00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:05.659
 in the

00:35:05.659 --> 00:35:06.199
 roar of

00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:06.379
 your

00:35:06.379 --> 00:35:07.319
 waterfalls.

00:35:07.799 --> 00:35:08.379
 All your

00:35:08.379 --> 00:35:09.519
 waves and

00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:10.299
 breakers

00:35:10.299 --> 00:35:11.239
 have swept

00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:11.859
 over me.

00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:12.539
 So it's as

00:35:12.539 --> 00:35:13.259
 if he feels

00:35:13.259 --> 00:35:14.099
 he's out in

00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:14.960
 the sea of

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:15.579
 life and

00:35:15.579 --> 00:35:15.939
 a little

00:35:15.939 --> 00:35:16.639
 boat and

00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:17.319
 all the

00:35:17.319 --> 00:35:18.199
 waves of

00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:19.500
 sorrow and

00:35:19.500 --> 00:35:20.339
 trouble and

00:35:20.339 --> 00:35:20.759
 they're just

00:35:20.759 --> 00:35:21.599
 coming in and

00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:22.319
 he feels like

00:35:22.319 --> 00:35:22.659
 he's going

00:35:22.659 --> 00:35:23.379
 down and

00:35:23.379 --> 00:35:23.980
 he's sinking

00:35:23.980 --> 00:35:24.799
 down.

00:35:25.199 --> 00:35:26.139
 But even

00:35:26.139 --> 00:35:26.559
 in that

00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:27.319
 expression

00:35:27.319 --> 00:35:27.659
 there's

00:35:27.659 --> 00:35:28.000
 hope.

00:35:28.460 --> 00:35:29.059
 Because notice

00:35:29.059 --> 00:35:30.079
 what he says

00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:30.599
 to God.

00:35:30.759 --> 00:35:31.239
 This is like

00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:31.779
 a song,

00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:32.579
 a prayer to

00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:32.919
 God.

00:35:33.319 --> 00:35:33.799
 He says

00:35:33.799 --> 00:35:34.899
 all your

00:35:34.899 --> 00:35:36.319
 waves and

00:35:36.319 --> 00:35:37.259
 breakers have

00:35:37.259 --> 00:35:37.819
 swept over

00:35:37.819 --> 00:35:38.119
 me.

00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:38.819
 So he

00:35:38.819 --> 00:35:39.799
 realizes even

00:35:39.799 --> 00:35:40.219
 in his

00:35:40.219 --> 00:35:41.039
 turmoil that

00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:42.699
 somehow God

00:35:42.699 --> 00:35:43.079
 is in

00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:43.599
 charge.

00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:44.319
 Somehow,

00:35:44.739 --> 00:35:45.319
 not that

00:35:45.319 --> 00:35:46.399
 God is

00:35:46.399 --> 00:35:48.079
 just causing

00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:49.919
 his sadness

00:35:49.919 --> 00:35:50.699
 and trouble

00:35:50.699 --> 00:35:51.399
 directly,

00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:52.759
 but somehow

00:35:52.759 --> 00:35:54.099
 behind it

00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:55.759
 God is

00:35:55.759 --> 00:35:56.719
 still in

00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:57.159
 control.

00:35:57.980 --> 00:35:58.259
 And that

00:35:58.259 --> 00:35:58.599
 can be a

00:35:58.599 --> 00:35:59.099
 real comfort

00:35:59.099 --> 00:35:59.579
 to people

00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:01.259
 who are

00:36:01.259 --> 00:36:01.980
 struggling

00:36:01.980 --> 00:36:03.519
 with any

00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:04.179
 suffering in

00:36:04.179 --> 00:36:04.460
 life.

00:36:05.099 --> 00:36:05.599
 One of the

00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:06.139
 stories of

00:36:06.139 --> 00:36:06.819
 suffering that

00:36:06.819 --> 00:36:07.279
 really has

00:36:07.279 --> 00:36:07.839
 helped and

00:36:07.839 --> 00:36:08.599
 challenged me

00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:09.380
 over the

00:36:09.380 --> 00:36:09.960
 years is

00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:11.380
 a young lady

00:36:11.380 --> 00:36:11.719
 called

00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:12.119
 Johnny.

00:36:12.839 --> 00:36:13.500
 At the

00:36:13.500 --> 00:36:13.779
 age of

00:36:13.779 --> 00:36:14.299
 17,

00:36:14.860 --> 00:36:15.139
 she

00:36:15.139 --> 00:36:16.699
 dived into

00:36:16.699 --> 00:36:17.819
 some water

00:36:17.819 --> 00:36:18.559
 that she

00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:18.980
 thought was

00:36:18.980 --> 00:36:19.339
 fine,

00:36:19.460 --> 00:36:19.719
 but there

00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:20.099
 were actually

00:36:20.099 --> 00:36:20.659
 rocks

00:36:20.659 --> 00:36:21.860
 submerged and

00:36:21.860 --> 00:36:22.340
 she was

00:36:22.340 --> 00:36:23.140
 paralyzed from

00:36:23.140 --> 00:36:23.519
 her neck

00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:24.539
 down at

00:36:24.539 --> 00:36:25.320
 age 17.

00:36:25.940 --> 00:36:26.420
 And she

00:36:26.420 --> 00:36:27.200
 had a real

00:36:27.200 --> 00:36:27.820
 struggle with

00:36:27.820 --> 00:36:28.160
 that to

00:36:28.160 --> 00:36:28.700
 begin with,

00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:29.180
 but then

00:36:29.180 --> 00:36:29.860
 came to

00:36:29.860 --> 00:36:30.480
 terms with

00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:31.240
 it and it

00:36:31.240 --> 00:36:31.519
 was her

00:36:31.519 --> 00:36:31.980
 relationship

00:36:31.980 --> 00:36:32.500
 with God

00:36:32.500 --> 00:36:33.019
 that helped

00:36:33.019 --> 00:36:33.200
 her.

00:36:33.460 --> 00:36:33.800
 She's had

00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:34.740
 cancer since

00:36:34.740 --> 00:36:35.880
 and a lot

00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:36.340
 of pain

00:36:36.340 --> 00:36:36.900
 along with

00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:37.160
 that,

00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:37.840
 but she's

00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:38.380
 still going

00:36:38.380 --> 00:36:38.740
 on.

00:36:38.940 --> 00:36:40.300
 She speaks

00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:41.180
 regularly about

00:36:41.180 --> 00:36:41.900
 suffering and

00:36:41.900 --> 00:36:43.380
 she has an

00:36:43.380 --> 00:36:43.840
 organization

00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.400
 helping people

00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:46.200
 with disabilities.

00:36:46.720 --> 00:36:47.099
 And this is

00:36:47.099 --> 00:36:47.599
 something that

00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.440
 she said about

00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:49.800
 her own

00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:50.240
 suffering.

00:36:50.660 --> 00:36:51.200
 She said,

00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:52.039
 today as I

00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:52.640
 look back,

00:36:53.080 --> 00:36:53.820
 I'm convinced

00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:54.260
 that the

00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:55.060
 whole ordeal

00:36:55.060 --> 00:36:55.580
 of my

00:36:55.580 --> 00:36:56.960
 paralysis was

00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:58.400
 inspired by

00:36:58.400 --> 00:36:59.019
 his love.

00:36:59.600 --> 00:37:00.340
 I wasn't a

00:37:00.340 --> 00:37:00.840
 rat in a

00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:01.160
 maze.

00:37:01.539 --> 00:37:02.180
 I wasn't the

00:37:02.180 --> 00:37:02.640
 brunt of

00:37:02.640 --> 00:37:03.220
 some cruel

00:37:03.220 --> 00:37:04.080
 divine joke.

00:37:04.539 --> 00:37:05.060
 God had

00:37:05.060 --> 00:37:05.980
 reasons behind

00:37:05.980 --> 00:37:06.700
 my suffering

00:37:06.700 --> 00:37:07.820
 and learning

00:37:07.820 --> 00:37:08.460
 some of them

00:37:08.460 --> 00:37:09.060
 has made all

00:37:09.060 --> 00:37:09.519
 the difference

00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:10.060
 in the world.

00:37:10.600 --> 00:37:10.880
 He has

00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:11.600
 reasons for

00:37:11.600 --> 00:37:12.140
 your suffering

00:37:12.140 --> 00:37:12.480
 too.

00:37:13.260 --> 00:37:13.720
 That might

00:37:13.720 --> 00:37:14.600
 sound very

00:37:14.600 --> 00:37:15.140
 strange,

00:37:15.620 --> 00:37:16.019
 might sound

00:37:16.019 --> 00:37:16.539
 like a million

00:37:16.539 --> 00:37:17.140
 miles away

00:37:17.140 --> 00:37:17.660
 from where you

00:37:17.660 --> 00:37:18.019
 are at the

00:37:18.019 --> 00:37:18.260
 moment,

00:37:18.900 --> 00:37:19.400
 but I just

00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:20.519
 put it out

00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:20.940
 there as

00:37:20.940 --> 00:37:21.420
 something that

00:37:21.420 --> 00:37:21.760
 has given

00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:22.539
 comfort to

00:37:22.539 --> 00:37:23.680
 Johnny and

00:37:23.680 --> 00:37:24.300
 to others

00:37:24.300 --> 00:37:24.579
 who have

00:37:24.579 --> 00:37:25.039
 been in

00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:25.820
 deep suffering

00:37:25.820 --> 00:37:26.440
 as well,

00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:27.559
 and something

00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:28.260
 that is based

00:37:28.260 --> 00:37:29.480
 on what we

00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:30.119
 looked at in

00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:30.760
 that psalm,

00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:31.400
 and coming to

00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:32.500
 realize somehow,

00:37:32.940 --> 00:37:33.480
 even though we

00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:34.420
 can't understand

00:37:34.420 --> 00:37:37.660
 how we could

00:37:37.660 --> 00:37:39.860
 get through

00:37:39.860 --> 00:37:40.700
 this time,

00:37:41.139 --> 00:37:41.800
 that coming to

00:37:41.800 --> 00:37:42.320
 a realization

00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:43.079
 that overall

00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:43.840
 there's a

00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:44.559
 sovereign God,

00:37:44.660 --> 00:37:45.200
 there's a God

00:37:45.200 --> 00:37:45.920
 who can help,

00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:47.059
 a God who's

00:37:47.059 --> 00:37:47.639
 in control,

00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:48.680
 if that can help

00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:49.139
 to get us

00:37:49.139 --> 00:37:49.399
 through.

00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:51.779
 But often

00:37:51.779 --> 00:37:52.319
 it's a long

00:37:52.319 --> 00:37:52.679
 haul.

00:37:53.219 --> 00:37:53.739
 I like to

00:37:53.739 --> 00:37:54.699
 do long

00:37:54.699 --> 00:37:55.379
 distance running,

00:37:55.799 --> 00:37:56.279
 and one of

00:37:56.279 --> 00:37:57.039
 the reasons

00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:57.719
 why I like to

00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:58.219
 do that is

00:37:58.219 --> 00:37:58.739
 because it

00:37:58.739 --> 00:37:59.399
 reminds me

00:37:59.399 --> 00:38:00.039
 just about

00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:00.839
 life,

00:38:01.179 --> 00:38:01.619
 and how

00:38:01.619 --> 00:38:02.859
 often you

00:38:02.859 --> 00:38:03.719
 just have to

00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:04.299
 keep going.

00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:05.239
 It's not the

00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:06.059
 first mile that's

00:38:06.059 --> 00:38:06.759
 important in

00:38:06.759 --> 00:38:07.519
 running a

00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:07.839
 marathon,

00:38:08.179 --> 00:38:08.919
 it's keeping

00:38:08.919 --> 00:38:09.919
 going every

00:38:09.919 --> 00:38:10.299
 mile.

00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:12.279
 And that's a

00:38:12.279 --> 00:38:12.839
 bit like the

00:38:12.839 --> 00:38:13.460
 man in this,

00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:14.219
 because he

00:38:14.219 --> 00:38:15.099
 comes back and

00:38:15.099 --> 00:38:16.019
 he says exactly

00:38:16.019 --> 00:38:16.519
 the same

00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:16.980
 thing to

00:38:16.980 --> 00:38:18.099
 himself in

00:38:18.099 --> 00:38:18.759
 verse 11,

00:38:18.880 --> 00:38:19.460
 and then on

00:38:19.460 --> 00:38:20.420
 into Psalm

00:38:20.420 --> 00:38:20.940
 43,

00:38:21.179 --> 00:38:21.719
 he says the

00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:22.380
 same thing,

00:38:22.639 --> 00:38:23.019
 why are you

00:38:23.019 --> 00:38:23.539
 downcast,

00:38:23.619 --> 00:38:23.920
 oh my

00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:24.179
 soul?

00:38:24.420 --> 00:38:24.800
 Why are you

00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:25.320
 so disturbed

00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:25.860
 within me?

00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:26.579
 Put your

00:38:26.579 --> 00:38:27.199
 hope in God.

00:38:27.539 --> 00:38:28.019
 So there's a

00:38:28.019 --> 00:38:28.759
 need often just

00:38:28.759 --> 00:38:29.460
 to keep going,

00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:30.380
 and if you

00:38:30.380 --> 00:38:31.019
 came tonight

00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:31.699
 looking for a

00:38:31.699 --> 00:38:32.639
 quick fix to

00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:33.699
 just explode you

00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:33.900
 out of

00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:34.320
 depression,

00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:35.719
 I'm sorry,

00:38:36.139 --> 00:38:37.300
 it often is a

00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:37.920
 long haul,

00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:39.059
 it's baby

00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:39.559
 steps,

00:38:40.059 --> 00:38:41.099
 it's keeping

00:38:41.099 --> 00:38:41.519
 going,

00:38:41.900 --> 00:38:42.460
 but the

00:38:42.460 --> 00:38:43.219
 important thing to

00:38:43.219 --> 00:38:43.879
 remember is that

00:38:43.879 --> 00:38:44.500
 there is hope,

00:38:44.899 --> 00:38:45.559
 that's why he's

00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:46.319
 saying put your

00:38:46.319 --> 00:38:47.419
 hope in God,

00:38:47.619 --> 00:38:48.319
 there is hope,

00:38:48.739 --> 00:38:49.439
 there is hope,

00:38:49.839 --> 00:38:51.559
 but often it's a

00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:52.119
 long battle,

00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:53.519
 it's a keeping

00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:53.939
 going.

00:38:55.399 --> 00:38:56.579
 One final thing

00:38:56.579 --> 00:38:57.399
 then from this

00:38:57.399 --> 00:38:58.219
 Psalm is what

00:38:58.219 --> 00:38:59.599
 we have here in

00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:00.159
 43,

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:02.099
 they all originally

00:39:02.099 --> 00:39:03.000
 seem to be part

00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:03.859
 of one song,

00:39:04.379 --> 00:39:05.339
 with the same

00:39:05.339 --> 00:39:05.819
 refrain,

00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:06.579
 because you've

00:39:06.579 --> 00:39:07.579
 got the quiet

00:39:07.579 --> 00:39:08.519
 and cast on my

00:39:08.519 --> 00:39:09.179
 soul at the end

00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:09.559
 of this,

00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:11.679
 but he seems to

00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:12.259
 get a lot more

00:39:12.259 --> 00:39:13.059
 positive here,

00:39:13.059 --> 00:39:13.820
 in verse 3,

00:39:14.139 --> 00:39:14.980
 send forth your

00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:15.699
 light and your

00:39:15.699 --> 00:39:16.099
 truth,

00:39:16.219 --> 00:39:17.099
 let them guide

00:39:17.099 --> 00:39:17.420
 me,

00:39:17.820 --> 00:39:18.539
 let them bring

00:39:18.539 --> 00:39:19.059
 me to your

00:39:19.059 --> 00:39:19.759
 holy mountain,

00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:20.599
 to the place

00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:21.500
 for you dwell,

00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:22.980
 then I will go

00:39:22.980 --> 00:39:23.759
 to the altar

00:39:23.759 --> 00:39:24.380
 of God,

00:39:24.500 --> 00:39:25.360
 to God my

00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.759
 joy and my

00:39:26.759 --> 00:39:27.179
 delight.

00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:28.059
 He doesn't

00:39:28.059 --> 00:39:28.559
 sound so

00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:29.420
 depressed now,

00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:30.659
 so what is it

00:39:30.659 --> 00:39:31.219
 that's made the

00:39:31.219 --> 00:39:31.559
 difference?

00:39:31.699 --> 00:39:32.279
 Well he talks

00:39:32.279 --> 00:39:33.079
 about going to

00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:34.000
 the altar

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.079
 of God,

00:39:35.779 --> 00:39:36.679
 in the Old

00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:37.739
 Testament days

00:39:37.739 --> 00:39:38.619
 the altar was

00:39:38.619 --> 00:39:39.900
 about sacrificing

00:39:39.900 --> 00:39:41.900
 animals in the

00:39:41.900 --> 00:39:42.239
 temple,

00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:43.459
 but when you

00:39:43.459 --> 00:39:43.959
 come through to

00:39:43.959 --> 00:39:44.259
 the New

00:39:44.259 --> 00:39:44.879
 Testament part

00:39:44.879 --> 00:39:45.379
 of the Bible,

00:39:46.099 --> 00:39:47.000
 John the

00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:47.919
 Baptist said,

00:39:48.059 --> 00:39:48.599
 behold the

00:39:48.599 --> 00:39:49.299
 Lamb of God,

00:39:49.779 --> 00:39:50.479
 speaking about

00:39:50.479 --> 00:39:50.979
 Jesus,

00:39:51.619 --> 00:39:52.279
 and so it's

00:39:52.279 --> 00:39:53.539
 the altar of

00:39:53.539 --> 00:39:54.039
 the cross,

00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:54.799
 the sacrifice

00:39:54.799 --> 00:39:55.659
 of the cross,

00:39:56.099 --> 00:39:56.459
 and you might

00:39:56.459 --> 00:39:56.759
 think,

00:39:56.879 --> 00:39:58.500
 well how in

00:39:58.500 --> 00:39:59.359
 our day can,

00:39:59.479 --> 00:40:00.639
 how can what

00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:01.159
 happened on the

00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:01.959
 cross help?

00:40:02.899 --> 00:40:03.239
 Well,

00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:05.039
 think of it like

00:40:05.039 --> 00:40:05.419
 this,

00:40:05.739 --> 00:40:06.459
 when you feel

00:40:06.459 --> 00:40:07.119
 really bad,

00:40:07.959 --> 00:40:08.839
 you might think,

00:40:09.159 --> 00:40:10.039
 nobody understands

00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:10.279
 me,

00:40:10.960 --> 00:40:11.860
 nobody understands

00:40:11.860 --> 00:40:12.360
 what I'm going

00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:12.639
 through,

00:40:13.219 --> 00:40:13.800
 and maybe you've

00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:14.179
 been thinking

00:40:14.179 --> 00:40:14.639
 tonight,

00:40:14.820 --> 00:40:15.360
 well it's okay

00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:15.860
 for him,

00:40:16.340 --> 00:40:16.679
 you know,

00:40:16.900 --> 00:40:17.880
 talking about

00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:18.980
 that,

00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:19.739
 but he doesn't

00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:20.599
 really understand

00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:21.820
 what I've been

00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:22.119
 through,

00:40:22.820 --> 00:40:23.679
 and you'd be

00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:24.019
 right,

00:40:24.380 --> 00:40:25.019
 I don't really

00:40:25.019 --> 00:40:25.619
 understand,

00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:26.940
 for you are,

00:40:27.699 --> 00:40:28.219
 but I know

00:40:28.219 --> 00:40:28.779
 somebody who

00:40:28.779 --> 00:40:29.219
 does,

00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:31.159
 and I really

00:40:31.159 --> 00:40:31.840
 believe this,

00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:32.779
 that Jesus

00:40:32.779 --> 00:40:33.719
 understands,

00:40:34.340 --> 00:40:35.079
 because he went

00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:35.820
 through the

00:40:35.820 --> 00:40:36.800
 darkness of the

00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:37.320
 cross,

00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:38.640
 one of the

00:40:38.640 --> 00:40:41.000
 worst things

00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:41.660
 about depression

00:40:41.660 --> 00:40:42.000
 is the

00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:42.340
 loneliness,

00:40:43.460 --> 00:40:44.680
 the fear,

00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:45.980
 and the

00:40:45.980 --> 00:40:46.460
 feeling of

00:40:46.460 --> 00:40:47.480
 rejection,

00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:50.059
 feeling rejected

00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:51.920
 is a painful

00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:52.340
 thing,

00:40:53.380 --> 00:40:53.580
 you know,

00:40:53.620 --> 00:40:54.320
 if I said to

00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:54.740
 you,

00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:55.960
 at the tea

00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:56.420
 and coffee

00:40:56.420 --> 00:40:57.260
 time tonight,

00:40:57.360 --> 00:40:57.900
 I came up

00:40:57.900 --> 00:40:58.380
 and I said,

00:40:58.539 --> 00:40:59.320
 I never want

00:40:59.320 --> 00:40:59.800
 to see you

00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:00.160
 again,

00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:01.420
 you'd think,

00:41:01.539 --> 00:41:01.640
 well,

00:41:02.740 --> 00:41:03.420
 it's a bit

00:41:03.420 --> 00:41:04.019
 strange,

00:41:04.280 --> 00:41:04.820
 maybe because

00:41:04.820 --> 00:41:05.140
 he's from

00:41:05.140 --> 00:41:05.580
 Cabin,

00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:05.900
 that he

00:41:05.900 --> 00:41:07.279
 speaks like

00:41:07.279 --> 00:41:07.539
 that,

00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:08.380
 but you

00:41:08.380 --> 00:41:08.819
 probably would

00:41:08.819 --> 00:41:09.380
 get over it,

00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:09.779
 you'd just

00:41:09.779 --> 00:41:10.400
 dismiss it,

00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:12.039
 but if your

00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:12.679
 nearest and

00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:13.400
 dearest said

00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:14.179
 that to you,

00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:14.880
 and it really

00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:15.500
 meant that I

00:41:15.500 --> 00:41:16.219
 never want to

00:41:16.219 --> 00:41:16.940
 see you again,

00:41:17.619 --> 00:41:19.159
 it would be

00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:19.599
 awful,

00:41:19.799 --> 00:41:20.279
 devastating,

00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:20.779
 well,

00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:21.460
 that's a

00:41:21.460 --> 00:41:22.119
 little kind

00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:22.960
 of window

00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:24.420
 into what

00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:25.299
 Jesus was

00:41:25.299 --> 00:41:26.039
 experiencing on

00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:26.679
 the cross,

00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:27.400
 do you remember

00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:28.039
 how he called

00:41:28.039 --> 00:41:28.319
 out,

00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:28.960
 my God,

00:41:29.039 --> 00:41:29.579
 my God,

00:41:29.699 --> 00:41:30.900
 why have

00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:31.500
 you forsaken

00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:31.920
 me?

00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:32.900
 He was

00:41:32.900 --> 00:41:34.259
 feeling the

00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:35.660
 weight of

00:41:35.660 --> 00:41:36.620
 rejection from

00:41:36.620 --> 00:41:37.180
 his father

00:41:37.180 --> 00:41:38.320
 because he

00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:38.680
 was being

00:41:38.680 --> 00:41:39.400
 punished for

00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:40.040
 the sins

00:41:40.040 --> 00:41:41.040
 of people

00:41:41.040 --> 00:41:41.500
 like me

00:41:41.500 --> 00:41:42.500
 and you,

00:41:43.300 --> 00:41:44.120
 so that

00:41:44.120 --> 00:41:44.900
 rejection,

00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:46.100
 Jesus was

00:41:46.100 --> 00:41:46.720
 feeling that

00:41:46.720 --> 00:41:48.180
 very much

00:41:48.180 --> 00:41:48.720
 on the cross,

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:49.020
 so he

00:41:49.020 --> 00:41:49.720
 understands,

00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:50.660
 so that's

00:41:50.660 --> 00:41:51.360
 good news,

00:41:51.660 --> 00:41:52.060
 to know that

00:41:52.060 --> 00:41:52.460
 there's someone

00:41:52.460 --> 00:41:52.800
 who really

00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:53.780
 does understand

00:41:53.780 --> 00:41:54.020
 you,

00:41:54.120 --> 00:41:54.500
 who really

00:41:54.500 --> 00:41:55.780
 does know

00:41:55.780 --> 00:41:56.140
 what you're

00:41:56.140 --> 00:41:56.720
 going through,

00:41:57.260 --> 00:41:58.220
 but even

00:41:58.220 --> 00:41:58.740
 better than

00:41:58.740 --> 00:41:59.040
 that,

00:41:59.320 --> 00:41:59.900
 because he

00:41:59.900 --> 00:42:00.340
 went through

00:42:00.340 --> 00:42:00.680
 that,

00:42:01.160 --> 00:42:01.660
 he's able

00:42:01.659 --> 00:42:02.819
 to deliver

00:42:02.819 --> 00:42:04.059
 you from

00:42:04.059 --> 00:42:06.659
 serious

00:42:06.659 --> 00:42:07.819
 suffering,

00:42:08.159 --> 00:42:08.859
 sometimes people

00:42:08.859 --> 00:42:09.359
 say when

00:42:09.359 --> 00:42:09.719
 they're feeling

00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:10.199
 really bad,

00:42:10.279 --> 00:42:10.379
 you know,

00:42:10.420 --> 00:42:10.639
 I'm going

00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:11.279
 through hell,

00:42:12.119 --> 00:42:12.480
 well,

00:42:12.839 --> 00:42:13.239
 you probably

00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:13.879
 feel like

00:42:13.879 --> 00:42:14.179
 that,

00:42:14.279 --> 00:42:15.259
 but it's

00:42:15.259 --> 00:42:17.059
 not actually

00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:17.460
 hell,

00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:18.000
 what Jesus

00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:18.719
 experienced on

00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:19.179
 the cross

00:42:19.179 --> 00:42:20.859
 was hell

00:42:20.859 --> 00:42:21.440
 because he

00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:22.119
 was punished,

00:42:22.420 --> 00:42:22.779
 he went

00:42:22.779 --> 00:42:23.460
 through hell

00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:24.099
 so that

00:42:24.099 --> 00:42:24.659
 everybody who

00:42:24.659 --> 00:42:25.199
 trusts in

00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:26.359
 him won't

00:42:26.359 --> 00:42:26.799
 have to go

00:42:26.799 --> 00:42:27.219
 to hell,

00:42:27.779 --> 00:42:28.699
 you can put

00:42:28.699 --> 00:42:29.199
 it like this,

00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:29.539
 he went

00:42:29.539 --> 00:42:30.119
 through hell

00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:30.599
 so that

00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:30.940
 you do

00:42:30.940 --> 00:42:31.460
 not have

00:42:31.460 --> 00:42:32.420
 to go

00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:32.940
 to hell,

00:42:33.259 --> 00:42:33.579
 to know

00:42:33.579 --> 00:42:33.880
 that,

00:42:34.299 --> 00:42:34.599
 and that's

00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:35.099
 something that

00:42:35.099 --> 00:42:36.779
 in times in

00:42:36.779 --> 00:42:37.500
 my life when

00:42:37.500 --> 00:42:37.940
 I've been

00:42:37.940 --> 00:42:38.359
 suffering,

00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:38.759
 when I

00:42:38.759 --> 00:42:39.599
 realised that

00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.079
 somebody who

00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:42.219
 went through

00:42:42.219 --> 00:42:42.839
 that for

00:42:42.839 --> 00:42:43.179
 me,

00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:44.460
 that's how

00:42:44.460 --> 00:42:44.859
 much he

00:42:44.859 --> 00:42:45.440
 loves me,

00:42:46.059 --> 00:42:46.460
 and that

00:42:46.460 --> 00:42:46.900
 can help

00:42:46.900 --> 00:42:47.159
 you to

00:42:47.159 --> 00:42:47.719
 cope in

00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:48.500
 difficult

00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:49.219
 times.

00:42:49.880 --> 00:42:50.699
 Just finish

00:42:50.699 --> 00:42:53.420
 with another

00:42:53.420 --> 00:42:54.539
 just saying

00:42:54.539 --> 00:42:55.219
 from Jesus,

00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:56.539
 an invitation

00:42:56.539 --> 00:42:57.339
 that he gave

00:42:57.339 --> 00:42:57.739
 when he

00:42:57.739 --> 00:42:58.019
 said,

00:42:58.159 --> 00:42:58.699
 come to

00:42:58.699 --> 00:42:59.000
 me,

00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:00.179
 all you

00:43:00.179 --> 00:43:00.539
 who are

00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:00.940
 weary

00:43:00.940 --> 00:43:02.719
 and burdened,

00:43:03.179 --> 00:43:03.880
 and I

00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:04.559
 will give

00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:06.340
 you rest.

00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:07.800
 So,

00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:08.940
 there's that

00:43:08.940 --> 00:43:10.739
 invitation,

00:43:11.059 --> 00:43:11.480
 there can be

00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:11.860
 an inner,

00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:12.440
 even if we're

00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:12.860
 not suffering

00:43:12.860 --> 00:43:13.500
 from depression,

00:43:13.739 --> 00:43:14.340
 there's often

00:43:14.340 --> 00:43:14.699
 an inner

00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:15.320
 restlessness,

00:43:15.820 --> 00:43:16.360
 and sometimes

00:43:16.360 --> 00:43:16.760
 we're trying

00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:17.280
 to pay it

00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:18.019
 off ourselves,

00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:18.559
 we're trying

00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:19.440
 to pay for

00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:19.860
 our own

00:43:19.860 --> 00:43:20.320
 sins,

00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:21.400
 or by being

00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:22.159
 really good,

00:43:22.260 --> 00:43:22.980
 we hope to

00:43:22.980 --> 00:43:23.980
 earn God's

00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:24.219
 favour.

00:43:24.860 --> 00:43:25.099
 Well,

00:43:25.360 --> 00:43:25.780
 here's the

00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:26.260
 invitation,

00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:27.099
 just to leave

00:43:27.099 --> 00:43:27.780
 that to one

00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:28.140
 side,

00:43:28.700 --> 00:43:28.960
 and to

00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:29.700
 just rest

00:43:29.700 --> 00:43:30.300
 in Jesus

00:43:30.300 --> 00:43:31.280
 and what

00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:31.680
 he's done

00:43:31.680 --> 00:43:32.380
 for us.

00:43:34.460 --> 00:43:34.940
 So,

00:43:35.080 --> 00:43:36.620
 that's all

00:43:36.620 --> 00:43:37.000
 I'm going

00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:37.840
 to say

00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:38.380
 for now,

00:43:38.500 --> 00:43:38.820
 but if

00:43:38.820 --> 00:43:39.260
 there are

00:43:39.260 --> 00:43:40.400
 questions,

00:43:40.940 --> 00:43:41.920
 please go

00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:42.960
 ahead and

00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:45.080
 ask.

00:43:45.240 --> 00:43:45.660
 We've got a

00:43:45.660 --> 00:43:46.240
 few minutes,

00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:47.880
 we were late

00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:48.280
 starting,

00:43:48.620 --> 00:43:49.220
 just like we

00:43:49.220 --> 00:43:49.800
 usually are in

00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:50.060
 cabin,

00:43:50.560 --> 00:43:51.160
 so we'll

00:43:51.160 --> 00:43:52.380
 finish a little

00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:53.100
 bit later too,

00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:54.760
 but that's

00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:55.080
 okay.

00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:55.699
 so we've

00:43:55.699 --> 00:43:56.099
 got a few

00:43:56.099 --> 00:43:56.759
 minutes then

00:43:56.759 --> 00:43:58.519
 for questions

00:43:58.519 --> 00:43:59.199
 if you want

00:43:59.199 --> 00:43:59.980
 to ask now,

00:44:00.779 --> 00:44:01.239
 or as

00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:01.779
 Johnny said,

00:44:01.860 --> 00:44:02.199
 if you want

00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:02.699
 to come and

00:44:02.699 --> 00:44:03.420
 chat after,

00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:04.279
 that's fine too.

00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:06.799
 Anybody want

00:44:06.799 --> 00:44:08.980
 to ask

00:44:08.980 --> 00:44:09.380
 something?

00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:10.539
 Go ahead.

00:44:10.539 --> 00:44:11.739
 Can I start

00:44:11.739 --> 00:44:12.099
 it off?

00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:13.340
 If it's not

00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:13.940
 too difficult,

00:44:14.340 --> 00:44:15.460
 get worried now.

00:44:15.860 --> 00:44:16.460
 So someone

00:44:16.460 --> 00:44:18.400
 who may be

00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:18.779
 your own

00:44:18.779 --> 00:44:19.360
 spouse,

00:44:19.900 --> 00:44:20.239
 or your

00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:20.699
 partner,

00:44:21.039 --> 00:44:21.599
 or somebody

00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:22.139
 who you live

00:44:22.139 --> 00:44:22.940
 with a friend,

00:44:23.699 --> 00:44:24.579
 if they're

00:44:24.579 --> 00:44:25.400
 somebody who's

00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:26.019
 struggling,

00:44:26.659 --> 00:44:29.099
 what can I

00:44:29.099 --> 00:44:29.319
 do,

00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:30.000
 what can I

00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.039
 do to help

00:44:31.039 --> 00:44:31.460
 him out?

00:44:33.619 --> 00:44:34.179
 So,

00:44:34.819 --> 00:44:36.039
 first thing,

00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:36.460
 listening,

00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:37.099
 I think,

00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:38.619
 to listen,

00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:40.099
 not presume

00:44:40.099 --> 00:44:40.759
 that you know

00:44:40.759 --> 00:44:41.239
 what the other

00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:41.960
 person's going

00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:42.279
 through,

00:44:42.759 --> 00:44:43.199
 even though

00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:43.559
 you're living

00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:43.960
 under the

00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:44.519
 same roof,

00:44:45.219 --> 00:44:45.900
 and maybe

00:44:45.900 --> 00:44:46.420
 you're going

00:44:46.420 --> 00:44:46.879
 through the

00:44:46.879 --> 00:44:47.839
 financial trouble,

00:44:48.099 --> 00:44:48.379
 or the

00:44:48.379 --> 00:44:49.219
 bereavement,

00:44:49.279 --> 00:44:49.719
 or whatever

00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:50.319
 that they've

00:44:50.319 --> 00:44:50.900
 gone through,

00:44:51.299 --> 00:44:51.699
 that they're

00:44:51.699 --> 00:44:52.159
 going through

00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:52.519
 as well,

00:44:52.619 --> 00:44:53.319
 don't presume

00:44:53.319 --> 00:44:54.399
 that they're

00:44:54.399 --> 00:44:55.259
 experiencing it

00:44:55.259 --> 00:44:55.879
 just the same

00:44:55.879 --> 00:44:56.419
 as you are.

00:44:57.219 --> 00:44:57.559
 We're all

00:44:57.559 --> 00:44:57.879
 different,

00:44:58.039 --> 00:44:58.239
 we're all

00:44:58.239 --> 00:44:58.599
 unique,

00:44:58.859 --> 00:44:59.359
 so listen,

00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:00.259
 listen to

00:45:00.259 --> 00:45:00.519
 them.

00:45:02.859 --> 00:45:03.960
 If there's

00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:04.739
 that significant

00:45:04.739 --> 00:45:05.239
 level of

00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:05.659
 depression,

00:45:05.819 --> 00:45:06.519
 you've encouraged

00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:06.759
 them,

00:45:06.879 --> 00:45:07.279
 go to your

00:45:07.279 --> 00:45:07.639
 doctor.

00:45:09.059 --> 00:45:09.879
 I mentioned

00:45:09.879 --> 00:45:10.639
 earlier about

00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:11.239
 talking,

00:45:11.819 --> 00:45:12.319
 being open

00:45:12.319 --> 00:45:14.079
 about self-harm,

00:45:14.399 --> 00:45:14.919
 do you have

00:45:14.919 --> 00:45:15.539
 thoughts of

00:45:15.539 --> 00:45:16.299
 harming yourself?

00:45:17.259 --> 00:45:18.199
 And certainly

00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:18.960
 if someone says

00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:19.559
 that to you,

00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:20.219
 then you could

00:45:20.219 --> 00:45:21.059
 ask a bit more,

00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:21.840
 have you actually

00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:22.860
 made plans to

00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:23.340
 do it?

00:45:24.500 --> 00:45:25.460
 Seems like a

00:45:25.460 --> 00:45:26.539
 very serious

00:45:26.539 --> 00:45:27.059
 question,

00:45:27.259 --> 00:45:28.239
 but it's worth

00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:28.759
 asking.

00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:29.900
 And then

00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:31.179
 they respond

00:45:31.179 --> 00:45:32.880
 to that

00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:34.340
 with the fact

00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:35.039
 that they have

00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:35.400
 thought of

00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:36.039
 in their life

00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:36.460
 that they do

00:45:36.460 --> 00:45:36.900
 have plans,

00:45:37.019 --> 00:45:38.960
 then say to

00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:39.119
 them,

00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:39.539
 well,

00:45:39.659 --> 00:45:39.980
 we're going to

00:45:39.980 --> 00:45:40.259
 make an

00:45:40.259 --> 00:45:40.820
 appointment for

00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:41.219
 you to see

00:45:41.219 --> 00:45:41.719
 the doctor

00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:44.679
 and have a

00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:44.960
 chat with

00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:45.400
 the doctor.

00:45:46.099 --> 00:45:46.460
 And then,

00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:47.179
 in an ongoing

00:45:47.179 --> 00:45:47.759
 basis,

00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.140
 you'll be a

00:45:49.140 --> 00:45:50.040
 help to

00:45:50.040 --> 00:45:50.740
 that person,

00:45:50.860 --> 00:45:51.260
 you'll be able

00:45:51.260 --> 00:45:51.740
 to be an

00:45:51.740 --> 00:45:52.320
 encouragement

00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:53.900
 and it can

00:45:53.900 --> 00:45:55.520
 be a struggle

00:45:55.520 --> 00:45:56.120
 at times,

00:45:56.280 --> 00:45:57.380
 but it's

00:45:57.380 --> 00:45:57.820
 something that

00:45:57.820 --> 00:45:58.500
 is really worth

00:45:58.500 --> 00:45:59.060
 sticking with

00:45:59.060 --> 00:45:59.760
 somebody through.

00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:01.160
 Is that

00:46:01.160 --> 00:46:02.900
 kind of thing?

00:46:03.900 --> 00:46:04.560
 Feel free to

00:46:04.560 --> 00:46:05.360
 come back to me

00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:06.720
 and the answers,

00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:07.060
 you know,

00:46:07.120 --> 00:46:07.620
 as I'm saying,

00:46:08.120 --> 00:46:08.740
 as I said earlier,

00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:09.600
 I don't have all

00:46:09.600 --> 00:46:10.000
 the answers,

00:46:10.220 --> 00:46:10.860
 so if you want

00:46:10.860 --> 00:46:11.400
 the chip in,

00:46:12.180 --> 00:46:12.900
 feel free to

00:46:12.900 --> 00:46:13.340
 do that.

00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:15.539
 I've spoken to

00:46:15.539 --> 00:46:18.820
 quite an amount

00:46:18.820 --> 00:46:19.519
 of people over

00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:20.400
 25 years,

00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:23.200
 and because

00:46:23.200 --> 00:46:24.800
 I'm an addiction

00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:25.320
 myself,

00:46:25.700 --> 00:46:28.000
 and I've

00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:28.760
 always got a

00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:29.519
 problem that I

00:46:29.519 --> 00:46:29.579
 said,

00:46:29.660 --> 00:46:30.280
 dialogue with

00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:30.620
 words.

00:46:31.140 --> 00:46:31.640
 That what

00:46:31.640 --> 00:46:32.099
 was words?

00:46:32.940 --> 00:46:33.460
 Dialogue.

00:46:33.460 --> 00:46:33.660
 Yeah.

00:46:33.660 --> 00:46:33.880
 Yeah.

00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:37.539
 As you mentioned

00:46:37.539 --> 00:46:38.460
 about listening,

00:46:39.780 --> 00:46:40.539
 it's one of our

00:46:40.539 --> 00:46:40.880
 great of a

00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:41.099
 fast,

00:46:41.099 --> 00:46:41.539
 that's right.

00:46:43.219 --> 00:46:44.239
 Because you

00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:45.059
 learn to listen

00:46:45.059 --> 00:46:45.860
 and listen to

00:46:45.860 --> 00:46:46.159
 learn.

00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:51.440
 But I always

00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:51.960
 have faith in

00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:53.480
 God from the

00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:53.900
 day I come

00:46:53.900 --> 00:46:54.519
 into the world

00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:55.559
 right up to

00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:55.820
 now,

00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:57.099
 because he's

00:46:57.099 --> 00:46:57.679
 helped me

00:46:57.679 --> 00:46:59.119
 so many times.

00:47:00.860 --> 00:47:01.480
 I remember

00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:01.880
 talking to

00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:02.420
 someone there

00:47:02.420 --> 00:47:02.800
 and I didn't

00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:03.079
 know whether

00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:03.380
 he would

00:47:03.380 --> 00:47:04.639
 seem funny

00:47:04.639 --> 00:47:05.579
 or contrary

00:47:05.579 --> 00:47:06.039
 or what

00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:06.539
 he said to

00:47:06.539 --> 00:47:06.779
 me,

00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:08.960
 that God

00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:09.320
 is there

00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:09.940
 in your

00:47:09.940 --> 00:47:10.280
 life,

00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:10.800
 I was

00:47:10.800 --> 00:47:11.079
 the only

00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:11.380
 justice

00:47:11.380 --> 00:47:11.700
 fair

00:47:11.700 --> 00:47:11.960
 wheel.

00:47:14.380 --> 00:47:17.840
 And my

00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:18.340
 answer was

00:47:18.340 --> 00:47:18.659
 like he

00:47:18.659 --> 00:47:19.000
 put me

00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:19.200
 on.

00:47:20.200 --> 00:47:22.679
 And I

00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:23.360
 pray a lot.

00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:24.860
 I don't pray

00:47:24.860 --> 00:47:25.340
 every minute

00:47:25.340 --> 00:47:26.000
 into day.

00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:27.200
 But I pray

00:47:27.200 --> 00:47:27.780
 when the time

00:47:27.780 --> 00:47:28.220
 comes to

00:47:28.220 --> 00:47:28.480
 pray.

00:47:28.720 --> 00:47:29.280
 I pray

00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:29.720
 at night.

00:47:30.720 --> 00:47:31.320
 Before I

00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:31.619
 go to

00:47:31.619 --> 00:47:31.840
 feet.

00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:33.300
 I get

00:47:33.300 --> 00:47:34.300
 comfort from

00:47:34.300 --> 00:47:34.780
 that too.

00:47:37.780 --> 00:47:38.180
 I have

00:47:38.180 --> 00:47:38.320
 an

00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:38.579
 ahable

00:47:38.579 --> 00:47:38.980
 friend

00:47:38.980 --> 00:47:41.340
 who was

00:47:41.340 --> 00:47:41.579
 in the

00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:41.780
 kitchen

00:47:41.780 --> 00:47:42.120
 too.

00:47:42.120 --> 00:47:43.980
 I was a

00:47:43.980 --> 00:47:44.260
 chronic

00:47:44.260 --> 00:47:44.820
 alcoholic.

00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:46.360
 I go to

00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:46.980
 meetings and I

00:47:46.980 --> 00:47:47.280
 haven't drank

00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:47.519
 any

00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:48.120
 stuff before.

00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:51.460
 I didn't

00:47:51.460 --> 00:47:52.059
 find God

00:47:52.059 --> 00:47:52.259
 there.

00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:52.900
 God was

00:47:52.900 --> 00:47:53.259
 with me

00:47:53.259 --> 00:47:53.639
 on it.

00:47:54.839 --> 00:47:56.319
 And for

00:47:56.319 --> 00:47:57.019
 that I'm

00:47:57.019 --> 00:47:57.679
 very grateful.

00:47:58.219 --> 00:47:58.839
 In attitude,

00:47:59.079 --> 00:47:59.400
 gratitude.

00:48:01.139 --> 00:48:01.940
 I couldn't

00:48:01.940 --> 00:48:02.400
 talk to you

00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:02.920
 about depression.

00:48:03.099 --> 00:48:03.380
 I don't know

00:48:03.380 --> 00:48:04.059
 nothing about it.

00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:04.579
 Even though I

00:48:04.579 --> 00:48:05.159
 speak to a lot

00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:05.519
 of people

00:48:05.519 --> 00:48:06.599
 that have

00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:06.980
 depression,

00:48:07.980 --> 00:48:08.779
 but what I

00:48:08.779 --> 00:48:09.440
 think is about

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:10.519
 getting them

00:48:10.519 --> 00:48:11.039
 to speak.

00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:12.619
 and I

00:48:12.619 --> 00:48:13.179
 think that's

00:48:13.179 --> 00:48:14.960
 the main

00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:15.980
 key to

00:48:15.980 --> 00:48:16.400
 the lock.

00:48:16.739 --> 00:48:17.039
 Good.

00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:18.320
 Yeah.

00:48:18.820 --> 00:48:19.099
 Yeah.

00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:19.400
 It was a

00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:19.639
 lovely

00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:20.139
 relationship.

00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:20.900
 Thank you.

00:48:21.159 --> 00:48:21.519
 And thanks

00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:22.139
 very much

00:48:22.139 --> 00:48:23.619
 for that

00:48:23.619 --> 00:48:24.219
 contribution.

00:48:24.759 --> 00:48:25.840
 And it's

00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:26.199
 something that

00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:26.659
 I've learned

00:48:26.659 --> 00:48:27.480
 even just in

00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:27.900
 the past

00:48:27.900 --> 00:48:29.440
 few years,

00:48:29.779 --> 00:48:32.239
 the benefit

00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:33.000
 of openness.

00:48:33.699 --> 00:48:34.380
 And I

00:48:34.380 --> 00:48:36.219
 have benefited

00:48:36.219 --> 00:48:37.679
 from talking

00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.119
 to people

00:48:38.119 --> 00:48:38.460
 that have

00:48:38.460 --> 00:48:38.800
 been in

00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:39.619
 AA and

00:48:39.619 --> 00:48:40.139
 going along

00:48:40.139 --> 00:48:40.420
 to a

00:48:40.420 --> 00:48:41.059
 meeting myself

00:48:41.059 --> 00:48:42.559
 and just

00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.460
 seeing the

00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:45.740
 openness

00:48:45.740 --> 00:48:46.539
 that is there.

00:48:46.980 --> 00:48:47.180
 And I

00:48:47.180 --> 00:48:47.579
 think that

00:48:47.579 --> 00:48:48.200
 folks in

00:48:48.200 --> 00:48:49.519
 churches can

00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.079
 learn from

00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:50.460
 that as

00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:50.740
 well.

00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:51.460
 They need

00:48:51.460 --> 00:48:52.840
 to be open

00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:53.360
 and honest

00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:53.900
 about how

00:48:53.900 --> 00:48:54.320
 we're feeling

00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:55.539
 and being

00:48:55.539 --> 00:48:56.159
 able to talk

00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:56.720
 to others

00:48:56.720 --> 00:48:57.920
 and to talk

00:48:57.920 --> 00:48:58.360
 to God.

00:48:58.820 --> 00:48:59.300
 Thanks for

00:48:59.300 --> 00:48:59.500
 that.

00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:01.119
 Anyone else?

00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:02.599
 Sometimes

00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:03.900
 people say

00:49:03.900 --> 00:49:04.480
 they're depressed

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:04.940
 because they

00:49:04.940 --> 00:49:07.220
 feel that

00:49:07.220 --> 00:49:07.659
 there's no

00:49:07.659 --> 00:49:08.200
 reason to

00:49:08.200 --> 00:49:08.639
 be depressed

00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:09.019
 because their

00:49:09.019 --> 00:49:09.500
 life doesn't

00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:10.019
 have seen

00:49:10.019 --> 00:49:10.219
 them.

00:49:11.579 --> 00:49:12.139
 Like they

00:49:12.139 --> 00:49:12.480
 should be

00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:12.719
 depressed.

00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:13.099
 Yes.

00:49:13.759 --> 00:49:14.199
 Yes.

00:49:15.099 --> 00:49:17.119
 And sometimes

00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:17.639
 they can't

00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:18.840
 articulate

00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:20.659
 quite quite

00:49:20.659 --> 00:49:22.259
 their

00:49:22.259 --> 00:49:22.920
 feelings.

00:49:23.380 --> 00:49:23.739
 Yeah.

00:49:24.539 --> 00:49:25.099
 Yeah.

00:49:25.820 --> 00:49:26.739
 That's right.

00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:27.280
 Yeah.

00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:28.000
 They might have

00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:28.579
 almost been

00:49:28.579 --> 00:49:29.300
 embarrassed

00:49:29.300 --> 00:49:30.199
 to say

00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:30.579
 that they're

00:49:30.579 --> 00:49:31.059
 depressed

00:49:31.059 --> 00:49:31.500
 because

00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:32.639
 everything's

00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.039
 going well

00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:33.480
 in life.

00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:34.900
 It can be

00:49:34.900 --> 00:49:35.420
 like that

00:49:35.420 --> 00:49:35.820
 that there

00:49:35.820 --> 00:49:36.099
 aren't

00:49:36.099 --> 00:49:36.400
 those

00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:36.740
 loss

00:49:36.740 --> 00:49:37.320
 events.

00:49:38.260 --> 00:49:38.500
 Yeah.

00:49:38.720 --> 00:49:39.079
 So

00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:40.480
 I think

00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:40.840
 in those

00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:41.619
 circumstances

00:49:41.619 --> 00:49:43.019
 it's good

00:49:43.019 --> 00:49:44.000
 to encourage

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:44.579
 people just

00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:44.980
 to be

00:49:44.980 --> 00:49:45.400
 honest

00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:45.820
 and

00:49:45.820 --> 00:49:47.440
 just to

00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:47.880
 say how

00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:48.220
 they are

00:49:48.220 --> 00:49:48.539
 feeling.

00:49:48.539 --> 00:50:01.679
 Actively.

00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.559
 Yeah.

00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:04.559
 Yeah.

00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:05.559
 Yeah.

00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:06.559
 Yeah.

00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:07.559
 That's a good point.

00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:08.559
 Not just listening, but actively listening.

00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.559
 I don't think us men are so good at that usually.

00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:16.559
 We claim to listen when we're looking at something else.

00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.559
 That's a good point.

00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:19.559
 Good.

00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:20.559
 Yes?

00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.559
 You said the third question is, you know, what is the answer?

00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.559
 You said the third question is, you know, what is the answer?

00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:31.559
 You said the third question is, you know, what is the answer?

00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:32.559
 Yes.

00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:37.559
 You said the third people who have medication, they can get worse.

00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:38.559
 Yeah.

00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.559
 So how are they helped?

00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:41.559
 Yeah.

00:50:41.559 --> 00:50:46.559
 Well, that's why it's good that medication isn't the only line that's helping.

00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:55.559
 So if somebody's on medication, sometimes a change of medication can help after a reasonable

00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:56.559
 trial.

00:50:56.559 --> 00:51:02.559
 And if you're prescribed medication for depression, don't expect it'll work just like that.

00:51:02.559 --> 00:51:06.559
 It often takes a few days to notice any improvement, even if it is going to help you.

00:51:06.559 --> 00:51:10.559
 And it is something that you often need to be on for a good while.

00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:15.559
 But say after a reasonable length of time, number of weeks, you're getting worse.

00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:19.559
 Well, the doctor might try a different antidepressant.

00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:30.559
 And if still not helping or making you worse, then all medication then might be withdrawn and

00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:37.559
 just go ahead with like the counselling or the cognitive behavioural therapy or some of the spiritual help.

00:51:37.559 --> 00:51:40.559
 And often it's not a case of either or.

00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:44.559
 I would say everyone needs talking, listening.

00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.559
 Everyone needs very good help.

00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.559
 Medication will help some.

00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:55.559
 I didn't mention the ECT treatment, the shock treatment that's still used by doctors in

00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:57.559
 very severe cases of depression.

00:51:57.559 --> 00:52:02.559
 You know, where people are put on their short anesthetic and give them an electric shock.

00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.559
 It might seem very severe, but I've seen it being really useful in some people.

00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:11.559
 I have a good friend of mine who was seriously depressed after her husband died.

00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:12.559
 And she responded.

00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:13.559
 So there's that.

00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:14.559
 Anyone else have a question?

00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:15.559
 You mentioned guilt.

00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:16.559
 Yeah.

00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:17.559
 That can be real or imagined.

00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:18.559
 Yeah, that's right.

00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:19.559
 Yeah.

00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.559
 So, as I said, it's right to feel guilty when you've done something wrong.

00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:30.559
 And so all of us have done wrong things.

00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:33.559
 So we all have some issue with guilt.

00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.559
 And the good thing is that we have done something wrong.

00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:53.559
 And the good news is that there is a real answer to that.

00:52:53.559 --> 00:53:01.559
 And I would say in the Bible, in what Jesus has done, in atoning for sin, so that we can

00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:03.559
 know real forgiveness.

00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:08.559
 So that's the answer to real guilt.

00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:09.559
 It's just through forgiveness.

00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:13.559
 And if you've done something against somebody else, then you need to seek their forgiveness

00:53:13.559 --> 00:53:14.559
 as well.

00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.559
 And that can really help when relationships are restored.

00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:24.559
 But in cases of severe depression and even moderate and sometimes mild depression, the guilt

00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:25.559
 is exaggerated.

00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:32.559
 And so even if a person is offered spiritual help and they're benefiting that, that's somewhat

00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:39.559
 from that, they still, when their depression starts to get better, they often feel less guilty

00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:45.559
 or more, if you like, normal guilt, real guilt.

00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:54.559
 So there's different ways of responding to the guilt.

00:53:54.559 --> 00:53:58.559
 It can just be normal because if you do something wrong, you should feel guilty.

00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:06.559
 Or it can be a sign, if it's more exaggerated than usual, of part of depression.

00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:07.559
 Does that make sense?

00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:08.559
 Anybody else?

00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:09.559
 Yes?

00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.559
 If you have a friend or you know somebody who has depression, and they use some examples

00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:21.559
 of a very bubbly character, from your experience, should they modify their behaviour for example, to make somebody who's depressed worse if they're around people who are so bubbly?

00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:39.559
 And should that bubbly person kind of, you know, tone it down a bit, knowing that it is a person that works by their behaviour?

00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:50.559
 Yeah, I'm not sure about that. I don't know. I guess it might depend on the individual, just what the mix of personalities was.

00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:57.559
 But I know that we ought to seek to be sensitive to the person who's depressed.

00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:09.559
 I suppose if you're bouncing around like Tigger and somebody else is like Eeyore, it's not going to be the right thing that you need.

00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:13.559
 Anybody else have any experience in that?

00:55:13.559 --> 00:55:20.559
 Maybe you've been annoyed by really bubbly people that you want to get it all out there now.

00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:24.559
 Yeah, sorry, I don't know about that answer to that.

00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:31.559
 I'm just going to interrupt here and just say thanks to everybody for coming.

00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:37.559
 Thanks very much Ivan, for saying what you've said tonight and for sharing.

00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:47.559
 We don't want it to be the end of the talk or discussion, so please feel free, over team coffee, if you'd like that, to talk to Ivan, ask your questions,

00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:50.559
 talk to people who are here.

00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.559
 But thank you for coming.

00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.559
 On your way out, there is some literature just on the side there.

00:55:56.559 --> 00:55:59.559
 If any of it is helpful to you, please feel free to take it.

00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.559
 It is free and there's no charge at all.

00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.559
 So team coffee will be served. Ivan, thanks very much.

00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:12.559
 Thanks, as Sonny said, I'll be around tonight.

00:56:12.559 --> 00:56:19.559
 And as I mentioned earlier, I know that the church meets here on a Sunday and everybody would be welcome to that.

00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:25.559
 That's a way of kind of following on in the conversation that we've had this evening.

00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:26.559
 So I'll leave that with you.

00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:27.559
 Thanks for your attention.

00:56:27.559 --> 00:56:31.559
 It's great to speak to people who aren't asleep and who are interested.

00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.559
 I'm not saying people are asleep on Sunday in Cabin in church.

00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:39.559
 They're not usually, but you're very withered in Cork, I have to say.

00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:41.559
 So it's good to be here.

00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:47.559
 Thank you.