WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.580 Well, good morning. It's so good to be with all of you. Such looks of expectancy on your faces. 00:00:08.060 --> 00:00:12.640 ! So good to be with you here this morning, to be able to be home in our home church with all of you. 00:00:12.740 --> 00:00:19.920 We have been traveling a lot over the last few weeks. We were in Montana visiting a church last weekend. 00:00:20.059 --> 00:00:26.560 First time in Montana. And let me tell you, if there is a competition for church visits, the amount of physical activity 00:00:26.559 --> 00:00:33.979 we do on those church visits, the folks in Montana win hands down. Within about an hour of us landing 00:00:33.979 --> 00:00:43.480 in Montana, we were hiking to the top of Mount Helena. And then the next day, we were supposed 00:00:43.480 --> 00:00:46.640 to have a series of meetings with key leaders at the church. And they said, why don't we do those 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:55.159 meetings while mountain biking in the mountains? And we said, that would be great. And so we mountain 00:00:55.159 --> 00:01:00.759 biked through Butte, Montana, having in-depth, intense conversations as we went. It was wonderful. 00:01:01.140 --> 00:01:08.179 And yeah, we feel like we survived and had a wonderful time. So as you know, we have been 00:01:08.179 --> 00:01:14.219 navigating both the last six months in my new role as bishop, also for Alicia and me as empty 00:01:14.219 --> 00:01:20.819 nesters. We're now six or seven months into being truly empty nesters. We have found, though, that with 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:25.939 kids that have technically left the house, we still do a fair amount of sort of parenting from a distance. 00:01:25.939 --> 00:01:33.280 Lots of texts come our way. Especially we notice their freshman year, trying to figure out doing things 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:37.939 for the first time, even filling out official forms that you've never had to fill out before and figuring out 00:01:37.939 --> 00:01:44.219 how do we answer this. I know of one mom, this wasn't one of our kids, thankfully, but I know of one mom 00:01:44.219 --> 00:01:51.659 whose son went to college as a freshman, had to fill out one of those official forms. It asked for his emergency 00:01:51.659 --> 00:02:04.560 contact, and he wrote, mom. Underneath it, it said relationship, followed by a blank space, and he wrote, good. 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:15.159 So continue to pray for us as empty nesters. 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:25.439 Two Sundays ago, we celebrated Easter together, and I don't know about you, but I always find the move 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:30.719 from Lent into Easter as a little bit of a shock, especially if you're here for the Easter vigil, 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:39.400 coming from the darkness of Lent, six weeks of deprivation, and moving into repentance, and a 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:48.780 soberness of the season. That first move into Easter is a little bit of a shock, and I feel caught off 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:57.000 guard, and it takes a minute to catch up. And if you feel that way about Easter as well, then this 00:02:57.000 --> 00:03:03.680 morning's gospel reading from John is for you, because it's the story of one disciple who, amidst all the 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:12.280 joys of Easter morning, is not quite ready to celebrate yet, and has a very different reaction 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:17.759 to news about the resurrection than all of the other disciples do. 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:26.019 Three weeks ago, Alicia and I were watching the NCAA basketball tournament. We had filled out our 00:03:26.019 --> 00:03:34.759 brackets, and we are big college basketball fans in our household. The problem with that is that 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:41.699 Alicia was an undergrad at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, and I was a grad student at 00:03:41.699 --> 00:03:50.319 Duke. And it means during basketball season, there's a little bit of tension in our household. 00:03:51.899 --> 00:04:00.379 And we were watching the fourth round, the Elite Eight, to determine who was going to the final four. I had 00:04:00.379 --> 00:04:04.799 picked Duke in my bracket to win, and for those of you that watched the tournament, you know that Duke 00:04:04.799 --> 00:04:10.439 was playing UConn, seemed to have it in control for the entire length of the game until the final few 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:22.319 minutes, and everything fell apart. And with 0.4 seconds left on the time, a freshman from UConn shot 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:30.620 from just past half court, and it swished through, and unbelievably, UConn won. They beat Duke in a major 00:04:30.620 --> 00:04:37.680 upset. Now, if there is one thing that my wife, who graduated from the University of North Carolina, 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:48.560 loves, she loves Carolina winning a basketball game. But a very, very close second for her that she 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:55.280 absolutely loves is Duke losing any basketball game. And when that basket went through the rim, 00:04:55.860 --> 00:05:03.960 my wife began hooping and hollering and jumping up and down and pounding on pillows and texting all of 00:05:03.959 --> 00:05:15.639 her friends in Carolina. And she kept this up until, to her credit, she looked at me. And she said, I'm so sorry. 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:25.319 And for the next few hours, maybe the next couple of days, I have a lot emotionally invested in these things, 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:32.939 we had a note of dissonance in our household because we responded to the very same news in very different 00:05:32.939 --> 00:05:42.060 ways. And in this morning's gospel reading from John, we encounter one disciple who reacts to the 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:48.879 same news that the other disciples heard, and he reacts in a very different way. And it creates this 00:05:48.879 --> 00:05:55.740 note of dissonance. Like right in the middle of this text, John 20 is a really like exuberant passage. 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:05.560 It is celebrating the resurrection of Jesus. And you've got Mary, Mary Magdalene going to the tomb 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:11.719 in the morning, and she thinks that she's talking to the gardener, and then she realizes it's Jesus. 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:15.100 And she runs back and she tells the other disciples. 00:06:15.100 --> 00:06:21.460 And then later in the chapter, the disciples have gathered that Sunday evening after the resurrection 00:06:21.460 --> 00:06:25.460 in an upper room, and Jesus appears in their midst, and they see him, and they talk to him, 00:06:25.520 --> 00:06:31.960 and he blesses them, and he gives them the Holy Spirit, and they're filled with joy and exuberance. 00:06:32.520 --> 00:06:42.760 And right in the middle of all of this joy, John drops this other account into the middle of things. 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:50.819 It seems like this story of joy might continue, but Thomas wasn't in the room, and so they come 00:06:50.819 --> 00:06:56.300 to him to tell him the good news, and they say, Thomas, we've seen the Lord. 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:03.060 And they expect, and we expect as readers, for Thomas to be overjoyed as well. That's what 00:07:03.060 --> 00:07:12.699 all the momentum is, except that he isn't. Thomas, it turns out, is not going to believe something, 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:20.920 based on someone else's experience. And so, verse 25 says, Thomas says to them, 00:07:21.019 --> 00:07:27.879 unless I see the nail marks in his hands, and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:31.120 into his side, I'm not going to believe. 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:43.660 Now, let's pause for a moment. The response to Thomas throughout history has been almost universally 00:07:43.660 --> 00:07:53.139 negative. Thomas doesn't believe, and so he's viewed as lacking faith, or being out of step, 00:07:53.220 --> 00:07:59.680 or being spiritually deficient in some way. What is he known as throughout history? 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:04.340 Doubting Thomas. How would you like to go through life? 00:08:06.340 --> 00:08:11.639 Instead of Pastor Thomas. Instead of Father Thomas. Doubting Thomas. 00:08:12.460 --> 00:08:16.680 If that is what you are known as throughout history. 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:21.519 But I think those assessments are wrong. 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:29.299 And in fact, the church fathers and the earliest commentators on this passage did not view Thomas 00:08:29.299 --> 00:08:36.720 in this way. In fact, they believe that John, in writing his gospel, very intentionally and 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:46.120 strategically included this account, this story, right in the middle of these resurrection appearances. 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.940 With all the awkwardness, with all the dissonance, he did it very, very intentionally. 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:59.259 Because, they said, John believed that most people are going to respond to news about Jesus' resurrection 00:08:59.259 --> 00:09:00.960 the way that Thomas did. 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:04.519 They're going to be skeptical. 00:09:06.019 --> 00:09:08.039 They're going to ask questions. 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:18.139 Most people don't immediately respond the way that Peter did, or Mary Magdalene did, who see 00:09:18.139 --> 00:09:23.899 resurrection, who see evidence of the resurrection, and they run back and they tell everyone else 00:09:23.899 --> 00:09:29.899 about it. Most people, John thought, respond the way that Thomas did. 00:09:29.899 --> 00:09:38.399 And so, he includes the story of Thomas because he wants future readers to be able to find themselves 00:09:38.399 --> 00:09:39.120 in the story. 00:09:41.259 --> 00:09:46.179 He wants us to be able to find ourselves in this story. 00:09:47.459 --> 00:09:51.259 There is a wonderful book by Janet Hagberg called The Critical Journey. 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:55.059 And she talks about the process of spiritual growth and how it happens. 00:09:55.059 --> 00:10:01.359 And she says we might be tempted to think that the story of spiritual growth is one about kind 00:10:01.359 --> 00:10:03.919 of constant and incremental progress. 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:10.939 By doing lots of the right things, by learning how to pray, by going to church, by doing all 00:10:10.939 --> 00:10:13.219 kinds of activities that are part of a spiritual journey. 00:10:13.219 --> 00:10:16.259 And, of course, those are one part of the story. 00:10:17.259 --> 00:10:24.199 But she says that the most important part of spiritual growth, something that is like rocket 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:29.280 fuel for spiritual growth, is something that she calls disruptions. 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:36.400 And disruptions are things that occur in our life which do not fit the narrative. 00:10:37.700 --> 00:10:40.340 They do not fit our plans. 00:10:40.800 --> 00:10:42.360 They do not fit our expectations. 00:10:42.900 --> 00:10:47.740 And they force us to go on an inward journey that we did not plan on going on. 00:10:47.740 --> 00:10:56.980 They force us to look for answers that we do not possess or for resources that I look around 00:10:56.980 --> 00:11:03.200 and I say I do not have access to these resources that I need right now to respond to what has 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:04.480 come into my life. 00:11:05.200 --> 00:11:11.580 And I think that the story we have heard read this morning is not actually about doubt. 00:11:11.580 --> 00:11:14.280 It is about disruption. 00:11:18.120 --> 00:11:23.139 And so perhaps we shouldn't be calling Thomas doubting Thomas. 00:11:23.320 --> 00:11:27.740 Maybe we should call him honest Thomas. 00:11:27.740 --> 00:11:28.740 Thomas. 00:11:28.740 --> 00:11:35.960 Because, to his credit, Thomas does not just go along to get along. 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:44.440 There must have been, I would think, tremendous pressure for Thomas to at least feign enthusiasm. 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:49.000 To simply accept what his friends were saying. 00:11:49.000 --> 00:11:54.299 We know from our own experience that there is tremendous pressure to believe whatever our social 00:11:54.299 --> 00:11:58.820 circles believe or whatever our particular spheres of influence are. 00:11:59.019 --> 00:12:08.480 But even at the risk of being misunderstood, Thomas responds to this news not so much with doubt 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:10.519 but with honesty. 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:17.600 Because he is experiencing something that is a disruption in his life. 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:26.840 And so if Janet Hagberg in her book is right, if disruptions are one of the primary forces 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:33.480 for spiritual growth in our life, then we should learn to pay more attention to them. 00:12:34.980 --> 00:12:39.700 And perhaps not lose out on the opportunities that they present. 00:12:42.759 --> 00:12:44.820 Sometimes those disruptions are intellectual. 00:12:44.820 --> 00:12:51.120 It's clear that Thomas, in our passage this morning, he's having an intellectual disruption. 00:12:51.280 --> 00:12:55.940 Because while first century Jews believed that there would be a general resurrection of 00:12:55.940 --> 00:13:02.840 faithful Israel at the end of history, they had no frameworks, no conceptions of one person 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:05.340 being raised from the dead in the middle of history. 00:13:05.340 --> 00:13:12.360 And so when his friends, who he otherwise trusts, come and present him this new information 00:13:12.360 --> 00:13:15.759 to tell him something that doesn't fit his intellectual framework, 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.180 there's a crisis that gets introduced into Thomas' world. 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:27.639 Several months ago, I sat on our sofa with a college student who was not a Christian 00:13:27.639 --> 00:13:30.360 but was an honest spiritual seeker. 00:13:30.500 --> 00:13:35.080 And he was seeking because as a young adult, he was starting to become awake 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:44.019 to the fact that the false promises of the world, consumerism or pleasure or just the kind of dopamine 00:13:44.019 --> 00:13:48.159 distractions of modern life, they were not delivering its promise. 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:52.259 And he was becoming awake to their deficiencies. 00:13:53.860 --> 00:13:58.600 And this awakening was creating some disruption in his life. 00:13:58.719 --> 00:14:01.740 And he had not really taken the claims of religion seriously before. 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:06.679 But in looking, in being forced to go on a journey that he did not plan to go on, 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:09.299 he was beginning to look at broader claims. 00:14:09.379 --> 00:14:13.039 And we sat there in our living room and we talked for an hour and a half 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:17.579 about some of the most serious intellectual conversations and discussions and questions 00:14:17.579 --> 00:14:19.959 that one can have about Jesus and the meaning of life 00:14:19.959 --> 00:14:25.939 and all of the central things that necessarily come up as we're considering those kinds of things. 00:14:28.980 --> 00:14:36.279 It's worth noting that intellectual disruption is not just for those who are not yet Christians 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:37.259 and thinking about it. 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:42.039 Intellectual disruption happens for those of us who have been raised in the church. 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:46.339 And at certain seasons of life, we find that the answers we were given 00:14:46.339 --> 00:14:50.599 or the answers we've settled on are no longer adequate 00:14:50.599 --> 00:14:56.219 to the answers that we are confronting, either in ourselves or that friends or neighbors or others 00:14:56.219 --> 00:14:57.199 are bringing to us. 00:14:57.259 --> 00:15:01.219 And we find ourselves even later in life, even later in our Christian journey, 00:15:01.379 --> 00:15:03.579 having to deal with intellectual disruption. 00:15:07.379 --> 00:15:11.799 And the church should be a place where people can go on that journey. 00:15:12.039 --> 00:15:16.939 And to engage with the intellectual disruptions that occur even later in life. 00:15:20.339 --> 00:15:25.599 Sometimes disruptions are not intellectual so much as they're experiential. 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:35.600 I'm reading a fascinating book by an author, fascinating writer, Barbara Ehrenreich. 00:15:37.200 --> 00:15:40.759 She's most well known for her book Nickel and Dimed on Not Getting By in America. 00:15:40.940 --> 00:15:42.320 She died just a few years ago. 00:15:43.080 --> 00:15:44.399 She was a committed atheist. 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:49.679 But about 10 years ago, she wrote a memoir that I'm reading right now. 00:15:49.779 --> 00:15:59.019 It's called Living with a Wild God, in which she tries to make sense of a whole series of profound mystical experiences. 00:15:59.500 --> 00:16:02.039 She started having around the age of 17. 00:16:02.279 --> 00:16:05.179 And it continued for several years after that. 00:16:05.179 --> 00:16:13.339 And her book attempts, it recounts her attempt, now as an adult, going back and reading her journals from that era 00:16:13.339 --> 00:16:17.319 and trying to make sense of what was happening. 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:24.220 And what's interesting is that although she doesn't end up moving from her basic position as an atheist, 00:16:24.580 --> 00:16:27.879 she does not discount or psychologize those experiences. 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:38.080 But she ends up arguing that there is a much larger reality that is bigger and deeper and more mysterious than we think. 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:44.940 And in the book, she takes the task, the scientific rationalism of the world in which we live 00:16:44.940 --> 00:16:51.300 that does not take proper account of mystical or spiritual or religious experiences 00:16:51.300 --> 00:16:55.780 that a significant percentage of the population claims to have. 00:16:57.660 --> 00:17:01.360 She argues that many people are having disruptions in their lives, 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:08.599 this inbreaking in their world that are mystical or spiritual in origin, 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:13.480 and we should learn to pay attention to them and figure out what to do with them. 00:17:16.700 --> 00:17:22.579 Sometimes the disruptions in our lives are not intellectual or experiential so much as they are circumstantial. 00:17:24.319 --> 00:17:29.420 The writer C.S. Lewis writes about the changes in his life as he cared for his wife, Joy Gresham, 00:17:29.420 --> 00:17:36.500 as she died at an early age from cancer, and as he tries to make sense of her suffering and the loss, 00:17:37.060 --> 00:17:42.100 he writes in his book, A Grief Observed, that there was a softening of his heart 00:17:42.100 --> 00:17:48.180 and an ability to become more emotionally vulnerable and to live in greater love with those around him 00:17:48.180 --> 00:17:50.259 as a result of this disruption. 00:17:52.320 --> 00:17:58.000 He writes, God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks in our conscience, but shouts in our pain. 00:17:59.420 --> 00:18:06.539 And the crises that come in loss, whether it's the unexpected loss of a job or a failed relationship 00:18:06.539 --> 00:18:12.820 or a bad health report, these are disruptions that if we can pay attention to them, 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.539 if we can somehow wrestle with them and receive them, 00:18:15.820 --> 00:18:19.920 they can lead us into a deeper journey that we didn't plan to go on. 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:28.900 What do we do when disruption occurs? 00:18:32.380 --> 00:18:35.759 It's interesting that in this moment of disruption for Thomas, 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:39.580 and he expresses his need for Jesus. 00:18:39.700 --> 00:18:42.779 He says, I need to see and experience this for myself. 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:44.640 It's interesting that it doesn't happen right away. 00:18:44.800 --> 00:18:46.800 Jesus does not respond right away. 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:51.559 Even though Jesus appears to be all over the place, he's showing up to other disciples. 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:56.899 First Corinthians, Paul writes that Jesus showed himself after his resurrection to over 500 people. 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:02.279 Everyone else seems to be seeing Jesus, but despite Thomas' desire to see Jesus for himself, 00:19:02.639 --> 00:19:04.740 Jesus doesn't show up right away. 00:19:04.740 --> 00:19:12.299 And I wonder if Thomas was tempted to get stuck. 00:19:13.339 --> 00:19:18.740 I wonder if he was tempted to just give up. 00:19:18.900 --> 00:19:20.640 Because that is a temptation. 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:23.779 When we enter into seasons of disruption, 00:19:26.380 --> 00:19:34.019 the emotional requirements of having to go in search of new or better or deeper answers, 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:41.759 or the fear of leaving what is known and comfortable can sometimes just leave us there for longer than we would like, 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:42.799 and we get stuck. 00:19:44.180 --> 00:19:45.099 And I wonder. 00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:47.879 Thomas expresses this need. 00:19:47.980 --> 00:19:48.720 There's no Jesus. 00:19:49.339 --> 00:19:52.200 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday goes by of that week. 00:19:52.220 --> 00:19:55.180 And I wonder if he was just tempted to give up. 00:19:55.180 --> 00:20:01.740 But what does he do? 00:20:03.320 --> 00:20:06.360 He decides to exercise some agency. 00:20:07.100 --> 00:20:13.299 And he decides to visit the last place that he'd heard Jesus had been. 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:20.180 Jesus had appeared to the other disciples the previous Sunday in an upper room. 00:20:20.180 --> 00:20:25.299 And so the next Sunday, Thomas shows up there too. 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.900 He shows up with no guarantees that Jesus is going to be there. 00:20:32.580 --> 00:20:34.060 There's no advance warning. 00:20:34.900 --> 00:20:38.980 But rather than allow his experience of the previous week to drive him into passivity, 00:20:39.320 --> 00:20:41.860 he goes searching for Jesus. 00:20:42.080 --> 00:20:44.200 And he shows up at the last place that he knew he was. 00:20:44.200 --> 00:20:48.160 And there he finds him. 00:20:48.799 --> 00:20:52.740 Verse 26 says that a week later, his disciples were in the house again, 00:20:52.819 --> 00:20:55.039 and this time Thomas was with him. 00:20:56.500 --> 00:20:59.240 Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:00.140 Peace be with you. 00:21:00.779 --> 00:21:03.420 And then without wasting any time, he goes right to Thomas. 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:06.580 And he says, Put your finger here. 00:21:06.840 --> 00:21:07.480 See my hands. 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:08.980 Reach out your hand. 00:21:09.100 --> 00:21:10.200 Put it into my side. 00:21:10.660 --> 00:21:12.480 Stop doubting and believe. 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:16.319 And Thomas said to him, My Lord and my God. 00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:26.360 No matter where we are at in our spiritual journey, 00:21:26.920 --> 00:21:31.360 no matter how stuck we might feel, whether we're facing disruption or not, 00:21:31.599 --> 00:21:33.120 whether we're feeling stuck or not, 00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:39.000 a good question we can always ask is the question that Thomas asked. 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:45.079 How do I put myself in a place where Jesus might show up? 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:53.180 What is the smallest step that I can take towards Jesus, whatever that might be? 00:21:54.839 --> 00:22:02.079 And then trust that in Jesus' way, in Jesus' timing, he'll show up. 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:11.220 This morning we are going to confirm some folks, a lot of folks. 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:16.039 Teenagers, adults. 00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:23.659 And confirmation is a service in which we take a step towards Jesus. 00:22:23.660 --> 00:22:25.660 Confirmation is a service in being confirmed. 00:22:25.660 --> 00:22:30.300 In being confirmed, we're saying that the vows that I made at my baptism 00:22:30.300 --> 00:22:35.560 or the vows that were made on my behalf, I'm now claiming those vows in a new way, 00:22:36.080 --> 00:22:38.840 in a more self-conscious way. 00:22:41.040 --> 00:22:43.360 Confirmation, it's a step towards God. 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:48.060 It's a chance to say, I want to be a part of what God's doing in the world. 00:22:48.059 --> 00:22:57.419 I want to join God in his project of bringing healing and repair and redemption to all things. 00:22:57.579 --> 00:22:58.659 I want to be a part of that. 00:23:00.679 --> 00:23:04.539 And so as we lay hands on those who are going to be confirmed here this morning, 00:23:04.740 --> 00:23:12.919 as we ask the Holy Spirit to empower them to be the hands and feet of Jesus in the world, 00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:19.220 it's also an opportunity for all of us to open our own hearts to God 00:23:19.220 --> 00:23:22.420 and to invite him to do that in us as well. 00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:25.940 Amen.