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 All righty.

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 All righty.

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 Well, it is that time again.

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 So why don't I open us up in prayer?

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 Father God, thank you for this day.

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 Thank you for allowing us this time to come together

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 and to think about you and learn about you, Lord.

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 I ask that this class would be edifying

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 and that it would glorify you

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 and that we would come away better able

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 to love each other in unity.

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 We love you, Lord, in Jesus' name. Amen.

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 Okay, so as I'm one to do,

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 let's start with preamble.

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 Okay, so the preamble today

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 is that I have tried my best

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 to find easy and accessible ways

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 to break these different views

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 of interpreting Genesis up.

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 And I'm trying to use language that makes sense

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 and I'm attempting to use language

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 that the adherents of this particular view use themselves.

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 So, but unfortunately, it's not usually that easy.

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 So I have had to make up some terms.

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 But I've tried my best to stay to real terms when possible.

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 And secondly, I will say that some of these terms

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 are often used pejoratively,

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 but that's not my intention in this class.

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 My intention is clarity.

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 So try to divest any of these terms

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 that may have connotations to you.

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 Just sort of ignore those.

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 That's not the point.

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 The point is to understand each other.

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 So let's get going.

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 So the first thing,

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 I'm going to do a little crash course

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 in the basics of hermeneutics.

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 And I'm going to use,

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 to start off with,

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 just some of the insights

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 that have come from studying communication

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 in a field called speech act theory.

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 So in speech act theory,

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 they try to understand communication

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 by dividing it into three different types,

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 three different parts.

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 So the three components of communication

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 are one, the locution,

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 two, the illocution,

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 and three, the perlocution.

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 Okay.

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 Lots of acutions there,

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 but really,

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 these are just ways,

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 fancy academic ways,

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 of saying the locution

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 is the form of the speech,

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 the grammar,

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 the syntax,

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 that kind of thing.

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 The illocution is the meaning

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 that you're trying to get across,

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 and the perlocution is actually

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 the understanding of the audience.

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 Okay.

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 So these are the three parts of speech.

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 But you know what?

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 Actually, before I get going too far,

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 do you have the time?

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 903.

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 903.

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 Isn't that interesting?

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 I asked you guys,

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 do you have the time?

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 And nobody said yes or no.

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 Everybody is looking in their pockets

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 trying to find their watch, right?

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 Because they know

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 that I'm not actually asking you,

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 do you have the time?

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 Like, are you aware

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 of what the time is, right?

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 Because according to the locution,

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 the correct answer to that question is

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 yes or no, right?

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 You could not know what the time is.

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 So the correct answer is either yes or no.

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 But because of the context

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 and because of the way I'm speaking it,

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 we all know what I'm really asking.

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 I'm really asking,

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 can you tell me the time?

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 Right?

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 But nobody asks somebody,

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 well, I guess some people ask people,

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 do you know the time?

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 Right?

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 Or can you tell me the time?

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 And so this is just an illustration

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 of how sometimes the locution,

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 the form of the sentence,

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 doesn't equal the illocution,

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 what I'm trying to convey to you.

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 Right?

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 And it's not just in this situation.

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 I could change the tone of my voice

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 and use the exact same words

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 and have a totally different effect.

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 So I first ask,

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 do you have the time?

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 And you're looking for your watch

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 and you want to tell me what time it is.

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 If I'm talking to my daughter,

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 I say,

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 do you know the time?

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 Suddenly she's thinking,

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 oh my goodness,

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 I didn't know it's bedtime.

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 I need to be going to sleep now, right?

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 Or do you know what time it is?

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 Right?

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 Now it's like,

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 oh, what's going on?

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 Oh, it's the football game.

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 Let's go sit down

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 and watch the football game.

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 Right?

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 In none of these situations

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 is the meaning of my communication

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 the actual grammatical form

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 of the communication.

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 Okay?

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 And this is important.

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 Right?

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 Because of biblical inerrancy.

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 Right?

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 As Christians,

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 we affirm that the Bible

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 is the word of God

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 and is therefore inerrant,

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 meaning all of its truth

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 claims are affirmed

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 and it is without error

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 in any of these truth claims.

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 Right?

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 But,

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 not all interpretations

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 of the Bible

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 are inerrant.

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 Right?

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 And so our goal,

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 if we're looking for,

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 so using some of our new terms,

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 if we want to understand

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 what we're talking about inerrancy,

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 is that the illocution

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 of the Bible

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 is inerrant.

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 The meaning of the Bible

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 is always inerrant.

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 It's true in all of its forms.

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 However,

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 sometimes the Bible

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 is using idiom.

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 Sometimes it's using

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 poetic language.

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 Sometimes it's using

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 analogical language.

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 Sometimes it's using

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 scientific language.

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 Right?

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 And so it's our job

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 as the audience

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 to match our perlocution

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 with the illocution

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 of the Bible.

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 Right?

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 That's what we're trying

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 to do in interpretation.

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 Right?

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 That's our job

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 in hermeneutics.

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 However,

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 there are a lot

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 of different

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 philosophical

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 predispositions

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 and views

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 that determine

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 a lot of times

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 how we are

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 understanding the text.

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 How it's hitting us.

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 Okay?

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 And this is especially

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 relevant

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 to

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 our discussion

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 here today

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 about different

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 interpretations

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 of Genesis 1

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 and how that relates

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 to whether

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 intelligent design

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 or theistic evolution

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 is a possible view.

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 Right?

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 Because today

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 our goal

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 is to understand

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 the question

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 why are we even

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 talking about this?

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 Right?

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 Why are we even

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 having a discussion

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 about intelligent design

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 and theistic evolution?

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 Right?

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 Because

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 Genesis 1

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 is so clear.

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 But I'm going to

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 talk about today

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 how different Christians

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 understand Genesis 1

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 and how that either

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 does not allow room

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 for an evolutionary

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 mechanism

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 or allows room

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 for.

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 Right?

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 And we'll talk

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 more about that

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 later.

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 But let me first

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 talk about

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 sort of how

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 I'm going to be

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 framing our discussion

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 today.

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 Okay?

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 Last week

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 I talked about

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 how the scientific

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 method developed.

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 Right?

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 And part of that

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 was Christians

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 understanding that

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 God is a will.

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 God is a person

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 who has a will

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 and can do

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 anything he wants

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 in creation.

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 And so

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 because he's not

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 constrained

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 he has the ability

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 to do things

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 other than

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 you might think.

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 So we can't just

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 reason by first

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 principles

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 what must be

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 true of nature.

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 We have to

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 actually investigate

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 nature to understand

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 what it is that

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 God did.

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 So God is often

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 described as having

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 written two different

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 books.

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 We have one,

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 the book of nature,

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 which is called

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 general revelation.

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 and this is

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 what we can learn

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 about God

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 just from observing

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 nature by

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 introspection,

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 by reason,

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 by philosophy,

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 these kinds of

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 things.

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 Right?

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 This is the kind

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 of revelation

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 that's generally

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 applied to everyone

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 in the whole world

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 across time.

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 Right?

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 Everyone is in

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 connection to

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 the book of nature,

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 to general revelation.

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 He also wrote,

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 most famously,

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 the book of scripture.

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 scripture.

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 Right?

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 Special revelation.

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 This is what we can

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 learn about God

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 from his own

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 self-revelation

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 in his word.

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 Right?

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 And so,

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 we know

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 that we have

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 these two kinds

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 of books,

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 but there are

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 a variety

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 of different ways

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 to balance

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 the book of nature

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 and the book

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 of scripture.

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 What I'm going to

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 call general

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 and special revelation

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 for the rest

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 of the class,

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 just because

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 the book of

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 is kind of long.

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 So,

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 we're going to

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 talk about

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 general and special.

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 Special being

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 scripture,

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 general being

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 nature.

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 So,

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 we as Christians

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 hold scripture

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 to be our

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 highest authority.

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 Right?

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 Scripture is

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 breathed out

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 from God.

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 It is self-revelation.

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 It is the clearest

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 form of communication

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 between us

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 and God.

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 But that being said,

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 scripture itself

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 points to the

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 trustworthiness

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 of the book

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 of nature,

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 especially when

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 it comes to

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 the world.

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 Right?

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 It says in Romans

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 that God's attributes

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 are clearly seen

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 in his works

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 in nature.

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 Right?

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 And that the heavens

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 declare the glory

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 of God

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 in the Psalms.

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 So,

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 we are expected

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 as individuals,

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 in fact,

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 in Romans,

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 we are held

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 responsible

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 for the truths

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 that we can gain

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 about God

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 from nature.

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 Right?

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 So,

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 scripture itself,

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 which is our

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 highest authority,

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 has a high view

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 of what we can

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 understand from

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 the book of nature.

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 Right?

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 So,

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 how do we balance

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 them?

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 Right?

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 Because what if

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 what we learn

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 in the book of nature

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 from our understanding

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 conflicts from

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 what we learn

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 in the book of

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 scripture?

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 Right?

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 So,

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 that is

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 the first

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 tension

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 in creationism.

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 Okay?

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 So,

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 I'm going to go

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 through

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 six different

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 views,

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 which I am

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 going to describe

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 in a spectrum.

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 Six different

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 views,

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 philosophical

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 views,

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 about how

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 we balance

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 general

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 and special

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 revelation.

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 Okay?

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 Because this

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 is going to be

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 a major part

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 of how we

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 approach

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 Genesis 1.

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 Right?

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 It's going to be

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 a major part

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 of how we

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 are dialoguing

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 with our

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 fellow Christians

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 who may have

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 different views.

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 Okay?

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 And rarely,

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 this is actually

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 what we're talking

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 about.

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 Usually,

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 we're talking

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 about,

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 we think we're

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 talking about

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 something else,

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 but in actual

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 fact,

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 a lot of times

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 we actually are

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 talking about

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 this.

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 So,

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 the first view

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 is what I'm

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 calling,

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 and this is my

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 own term,

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 science skeptics.

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 Okay?

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 Now,

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 science skeptics,

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 again,

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 I'm not using,

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 I'm not trying

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 to have

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 pejorative

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 understandings

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 here,

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 but just

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 try to

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 wipe away

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 any connotation

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 that you're

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 feeling.

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 But a

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 science skeptics

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 believe that

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 special revelation

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 is really

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 the only

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 authority.

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 Right?

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 Special revelation

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 is the only

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 authority,

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 they are not

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 really that

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 sanguine about

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 what we can

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 actually learn

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 from science.

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 Okay?

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 This is not

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 a very common

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 position,

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 but it's

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 characterized

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 just by

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 flippancy

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 about what

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 science can

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 do.

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 Right?

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 They don't

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 particularly

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 think that

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 it's a

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 reliable method

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 of understanding

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 information,

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 especially when

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 it comes to

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 understanding

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 the origins

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 of the world

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 and the way

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 that it works.

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 So if I

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 was to

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 imagine

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 a scale

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 in which

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 we are

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 balancing

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 general and

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 special revelation,

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 a science skeptic

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 may be on

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 this end of

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 the spectrum.

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 Right?

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 So special

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 revelation is

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 the scales

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 all the way

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 down,

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 and really

00:12:41.379 --> 00:12:42.399
 general revelation

00:12:42.399 --> 00:12:42.899
 is not really

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 doing much

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 in terms of

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 their interpretation

00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:46.600
 of the world

00:12:46.600 --> 00:12:47.100
 or how they

00:12:47.100 --> 00:12:47.879
 balance things.

00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:48.279
 Okay?

00:12:50.039 --> 00:12:50.860
 So this

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 is

00:12:51.179 --> 00:12:53.419
 again

00:12:53.419 --> 00:12:54.099
 not a very

00:12:54.099 --> 00:12:54.479
 common

00:12:54.479 --> 00:12:55.799
 position,

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 mainly because

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 in our

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 everyday life

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 we're sort

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 of living

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 with the

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 fruits of

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 a lot of

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 the endeavors

00:13:03.599 --> 00:13:04.359
 of scientists,

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 you know,

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 our cell

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 phones,

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 our

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 automobiles,

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 etc.

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 And so a lot

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 of times it's

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 sort of hard

00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:15.799
 to be in

00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:16.500
 this position

00:13:16.500 --> 00:13:17.359
 cognitively,

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 but it is a

00:13:18.319 --> 00:13:18.919
 position I want

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 us to be aware

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 of.

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 The next

00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:22.459
 position is

00:13:22.459 --> 00:13:23.179
 far more

00:13:23.179 --> 00:13:23.519
 common.

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 I'm calling

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 this concordists,

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 and so what

00:13:27.059 --> 00:13:28.079
 concordists believe,

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 and I'm not,

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 so this is an

00:13:29.239 --> 00:13:29.779
 actual term,

00:13:29.859 --> 00:13:30.339
 I'm not making

00:13:30.339 --> 00:13:30.739
 this up,

00:13:30.859 --> 00:13:32.859
 so I'll try

00:13:32.859 --> 00:13:33.739
 to make that

00:13:33.739 --> 00:13:34.259
 clear as we

00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:34.679
 go along.

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 But concordists,

00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:38.459
 they emphasize

00:13:38.459 --> 00:13:39.339
 special revelation

00:13:39.339 --> 00:13:40.079
 in understanding

00:13:40.079 --> 00:13:41.679
 how nature

00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:43.299
 came to be,

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 but they also

00:13:44.319 --> 00:13:44.859
 have a high

00:13:44.859 --> 00:13:45.719
 view of what

00:13:45.719 --> 00:13:46.399
 we can learn

00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:46.879
 from general

00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:47.359
 revelation.

00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:47.419
 information.

00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:49.460
 So another

00:13:49.460 --> 00:13:49.759
 way of

00:13:49.759 --> 00:13:50.080
 understanding

00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:50.600
 this is that

00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:51.800
 in general,

00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:52.820
 these Christians

00:13:52.820 --> 00:13:54.200
 believe that

00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:55.220
 the Bible is

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 intending to

00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:56.419
 communicate

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 scientific

00:13:57.159 --> 00:13:59.300
 information at

00:13:59.300 --> 00:13:59.600
 a certain

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 level.

00:14:00.440 --> 00:14:01.019
 And again,

00:14:01.259 --> 00:14:02.080
 within the

00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:02.779
 concordist group

00:14:02.779 --> 00:14:03.139
 there's going to

00:14:03.139 --> 00:14:04.340
 be disagreement

00:14:04.340 --> 00:14:05.200
 about to what

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 level.

00:14:05.980 --> 00:14:06.800
 But in general,

00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:08.320
 the reason I can

00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:09.039
 fit these together

00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:09.539
 is that they

00:14:09.539 --> 00:14:11.360
 try in general

00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:12.779
 to fit information

00:14:12.779 --> 00:14:13.399
 that we get

00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:13.899
 from science

00:14:13.899 --> 00:14:15.500
 into a

00:14:15.500 --> 00:14:16.379
 biblical framework,

00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:16.980
 their biblical

00:14:16.980 --> 00:14:17.439
 framework.

00:14:17.579 --> 00:14:18.059
 So they say,

00:14:18.199 --> 00:14:18.340
 okay,

00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:18.980
 the Bible is

00:14:18.980 --> 00:14:19.539
 communicating

00:14:19.539 --> 00:14:21.179
 scientific

00:14:21.179 --> 00:14:21.840
 information,

00:14:22.259 --> 00:14:22.959
 and I have

00:14:22.959 --> 00:14:23.379
 the scientific

00:14:23.379 --> 00:14:24.100
 information over

00:14:24.100 --> 00:14:24.399
 here,

00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:24.879
 so therefore

00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:25.419
 they must

00:14:25.419 --> 00:14:27.000
 be the same.

00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:27.699
 And so they

00:14:27.699 --> 00:14:28.759
 are trying

00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:29.360
 to fit

00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:30.699
 their view

00:14:30.699 --> 00:14:31.279
 of science

00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:32.439
 into their

00:14:32.439 --> 00:14:32.740
 biblical

00:14:32.740 --> 00:14:33.480
 interpretation.

00:14:36.799 --> 00:14:37.659
 And so,

00:14:38.079 --> 00:14:38.439
 you know,

00:14:39.319 --> 00:14:40.139
 mostly special

00:14:40.139 --> 00:14:40.639
 revelation,

00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:41.240
 but general

00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:41.720
 revelation

00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:42.600
 actually has

00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:43.180
 some weight

00:14:43.180 --> 00:14:44.320
 in this group.

00:14:44.759 --> 00:14:44.820
 Okay?

00:14:45.180 --> 00:14:46.139
 So there's a

00:14:46.139 --> 00:14:46.659
 little bit more

00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:47.159
 of a balance.

00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:49.700
 This third

00:14:49.700 --> 00:14:51.040
 group I'm

00:14:51.040 --> 00:14:51.399
 calling

00:14:51.399 --> 00:14:52.279
 harmonists,

00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:53.620
 and I didn't

00:14:53.620 --> 00:14:54.259
 make that up,

00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:54.720
 but it's not

00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:55.240
 very common.

00:14:56.040 --> 00:14:56.680
 So a

00:14:56.680 --> 00:14:57.399
 harmonist

00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:58.820
 approach

00:14:58.820 --> 00:15:00.399
 is they

00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:01.340
 try not

00:15:01.340 --> 00:15:02.340
 to privilege

00:15:02.340 --> 00:15:03.180
 special or

00:15:03.180 --> 00:15:04.399
 general revelation

00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:04.940
 when they're

00:15:04.940 --> 00:15:06.080
 explaining nature.

00:15:06.220 --> 00:15:06.540
 Basically,

00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:07.180
 they think

00:15:07.180 --> 00:15:09.259
 that the

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 goal is to

00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:11.139
 understand these

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 different

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 areas of

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 information on

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 their own

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 terms,

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 right?

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 And then

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 when there

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 is conflict

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 apparent,

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 they try to

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 smooth it out.

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 They try to

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 harmonize those

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 conflicts as

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 they appear.

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 But they,

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 in general,

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 don't try to

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 use special

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 revelation in

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 applying it to

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 general,

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 and they don't

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 use general

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 revelation to

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 apply it to

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 special.

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 They say that

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 these are two

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 groups that

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 are talking

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 to each

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 other,

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 but they

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 have their

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 own ways

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 of communicating.

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 And so

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 you would

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 imagine that

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 this group

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 would be

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 special revelation,

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 general revelation,

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 sort of in

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 parity when it

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 comes to

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 understanding

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 nature,

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 again.

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 Because remember,

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 I don't want to

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 confuse anybody

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 with these scales.

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 As Christians,

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 special revelation

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 is the highest

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 authority,

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 right?

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 But when it

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 comes to

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 understanding the

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 way nature

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 works and

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 how it

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 came to

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 be,

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 there was

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 going to

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 be a

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 balance.

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 So again,

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 just to make

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 that clear.

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 Then we have

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 accommodationists.

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 This is in the

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 term I came up

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 with, and it's

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 not actually

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 entirely pejorative.

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 So people who

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 hold this view

00:16:27.199 --> 00:16:27.899
 call themselves

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 accommodationists,

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 and this view,

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 you can imagine

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 them as sort of

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 the reverse image

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 of a concordance.

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 they privilege

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 general revelation

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 when it comes to

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 understanding nature.

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 They have a high

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 view of special

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 revelation,

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 and what can be

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 learned about

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 nature there.

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 And so what is

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 characteristic of

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 this group is

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 usually they try

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 to de-emphasize

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 the scientific

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 implications of

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 scripture,

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 and try to focus

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 more of their

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 effort on

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 understanding the

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 sort of the

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 spiritual or

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 moral import,

00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:03.480
 or theological

00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:04.160
 import of

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 scripture.

00:17:05.299 --> 00:17:05.779
 And so you

00:17:05.779 --> 00:17:06.559
 would say here

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 when it comes

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 to nature,

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 they're weighting

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 general revelation

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 a little more

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 strongly than

00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:13.299
 special revelation.

00:17:13.960 --> 00:17:14.059
 Right?

00:17:14.940 --> 00:17:15.799
 And finally,

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 the last group,

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 because there are

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 five groups,

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 not six.

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 The sixth group

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 is just secret,

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 it's just for me.

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 The last group

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 I'm calling

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 biblical skeptics.

00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:28.039
 Okay?

00:17:28.099 --> 00:17:28.700
 I came up with

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 this term.

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 I don't think

00:17:29.940 --> 00:17:30.359
 anybody would

00:17:30.359 --> 00:17:31.039
 call themselves

00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:31.900
 a biblical skeptic.

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 But in terms

00:17:34.140 --> 00:17:34.580
 of this

00:17:34.580 --> 00:17:35.140
 discussion,

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 they would

00:17:36.580 --> 00:17:37.100
 hold that

00:17:37.100 --> 00:17:37.740
 really general

00:17:37.740 --> 00:17:38.960
 revelation is

00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:40.160
 the only real

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 authority when

00:17:41.260 --> 00:17:41.640
 it comes to

00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:42.440
 understanding nature.

00:17:43.160 --> 00:17:44.360
 And that the

00:17:44.360 --> 00:17:45.080
 Bible is not

00:17:45.080 --> 00:17:46.320
 meant to convey

00:17:46.320 --> 00:17:47.420
 scientific information

00:17:47.420 --> 00:17:47.880
 at all.

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 And it's really

00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:50.120
 there for moral

00:17:50.120 --> 00:17:50.800
 information,

00:17:51.500 --> 00:17:51.940
 theological

00:17:51.940 --> 00:17:52.720
 information,

00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:55.540
 and is not

00:17:55.540 --> 00:17:56.360
 a reliable

00:17:56.360 --> 00:17:57.000
 scientific

00:17:57.000 --> 00:17:59.280
 witness,

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 as it were.

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 And so,

00:18:01.159 --> 00:18:02.139
 this group

00:18:02.139 --> 00:18:02.619
 we would

00:18:02.619 --> 00:18:03.259
 see here,

00:18:04.239 --> 00:18:04.459
 general

00:18:04.459 --> 00:18:05.279
 revelation

00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:05.779
 is just

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 kind of

00:18:06.099 --> 00:18:07.379
 all the

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 way down.

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 So,

00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:10.199
 with these

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 five

00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:12.199
 broad

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 philosophical

00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:13.739
 views in

00:18:13.739 --> 00:18:14.159
 mind about

00:18:14.159 --> 00:18:14.919
 how we

00:18:14.919 --> 00:18:15.559
 balance

00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:16.819
 general and

00:18:16.819 --> 00:18:17.679
 special revelation,

00:18:18.199 --> 00:18:18.399
 right?

00:18:18.959 --> 00:18:20.019
 Let us

00:18:20.019 --> 00:18:20.579
 go

00:18:20.579 --> 00:18:22.119
 to

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 scripture

00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:23.299
 itself.

00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:24.599
 Let's talk

00:18:24.599 --> 00:18:25.000
 about

00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:26.479
 what it is

00:18:26.479 --> 00:18:26.939
 that we

00:18:26.939 --> 00:18:27.959
 learn about

00:18:27.959 --> 00:18:28.579
 creation,

00:18:28.579 --> 00:18:28.859
 about

00:18:28.859 --> 00:18:29.699
 origins in

00:18:29.699 --> 00:18:30.399
 Genesis 1,

00:18:30.539 --> 00:18:31.019
 2,

00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:31.379
 and 3.

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 And this is

00:18:31.859 --> 00:18:32.159
 just going to

00:18:32.159 --> 00:18:32.579
 be a very

00:18:32.579 --> 00:18:33.699
 quick overview.

00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:35.639
 I did an

00:18:35.639 --> 00:18:36.419
 even quicker

00:18:36.419 --> 00:18:37.000
 overview,

00:18:37.679 --> 00:18:39.399
 like a year

00:18:39.399 --> 00:18:39.679
 ago,

00:18:39.740 --> 00:18:40.019
 actually,

00:18:40.139 --> 00:18:40.539
 when we did

00:18:40.539 --> 00:18:41.319
 the overviews

00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:41.659
 of each of

00:18:41.659 --> 00:18:42.119
 these books.

00:18:43.159 --> 00:18:43.599
 So,

00:18:43.639 --> 00:18:43.899
 I don't know

00:18:43.899 --> 00:18:44.240
 which one is

00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:44.460
 going to be

00:18:44.460 --> 00:18:44.699
 quicker,

00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:46.159
 but this is

00:18:46.159 --> 00:18:46.399
 going to be

00:18:46.399 --> 00:18:46.859
 pretty quick.

00:18:47.559 --> 00:18:47.879
 So,

00:18:48.439 --> 00:18:49.720
 let's talk

00:18:49.720 --> 00:18:50.879
 about the

00:18:50.879 --> 00:18:51.500
 biblical data

00:18:51.500 --> 00:18:52.099
 that we have

00:18:52.099 --> 00:18:52.539
 in front of

00:18:52.539 --> 00:18:52.759
 us.

00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:53.699
 Okay?

00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:54.679
 So,

00:18:54.960 --> 00:18:55.559
 we have

00:18:55.559 --> 00:18:56.240
 Genesis 1.

00:18:56.980 --> 00:18:57.339
 In the

00:18:57.339 --> 00:18:57.659
 beginning,

00:18:57.660 --> 00:18:58.400
 God created

00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:58.840
 the heavens

00:18:58.840 --> 00:18:59.100
 and the

00:18:59.100 --> 00:18:59.380
 earth,

00:19:00.460 --> 00:19:00.920
 and the

00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:01.460
 earth was

00:19:01.460 --> 00:19:02.660
 without form

00:19:02.660 --> 00:19:03.160
 and void,

00:19:03.700 --> 00:19:03.900
 and there

00:19:03.900 --> 00:19:04.340
 was darkness

00:19:04.340 --> 00:19:05.380
 over the

00:19:05.380 --> 00:19:08.980
 surface of

00:19:08.980 --> 00:19:09.420
 the waters.

00:19:10.040 --> 00:19:10.360
 That's off

00:19:10.360 --> 00:19:11.560
 surface of the

00:19:11.560 --> 00:19:11.779
 deep.

00:19:11.900 --> 00:19:12.080
 Okay.

00:19:12.860 --> 00:19:13.600
 I've read it a

00:19:13.600 --> 00:19:14.080
 bunch of times,

00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:14.620
 so I kind of

00:19:14.620 --> 00:19:14.920
 remember.

00:19:16.800 --> 00:19:17.480
 And God

00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:17.720
 said,

00:19:17.880 --> 00:19:18.200
 let there be

00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:18.560
 light,

00:19:19.300 --> 00:19:20.019
 and separated

00:19:20.019 --> 00:19:20.440
 the light from

00:19:20.440 --> 00:19:21.060
 the darkness,

00:19:21.779 --> 00:19:22.640
 and that is

00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:23.140
 evening and

00:19:23.140 --> 00:19:23.440
 morning,

00:19:23.620 --> 00:19:24.400
 the first day.

00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:26.080
 one day.

00:19:26.080 --> 00:19:26.519
 Or,

00:19:26.860 --> 00:19:27.300
 depending on

00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:27.600
 how you

00:19:27.600 --> 00:19:28.200
 translate it,

00:19:28.920 --> 00:19:30.160
 one day.

00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:33.480
 Some people

00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:34.120
 put a lot of

00:19:34.120 --> 00:19:35.080
 emphasis on the

00:19:35.080 --> 00:19:35.440
 fact that there

00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:36.180
 is no definite

00:19:36.180 --> 00:19:37.560
 article on the

00:19:37.560 --> 00:19:38.440
 first five days.

00:19:39.960 --> 00:19:40.360
 I don't know.

00:19:41.120 --> 00:19:41.640
 Anyways,

00:19:42.080 --> 00:19:42.640
 the first day

00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:43.120
 sounds better.

00:19:44.100 --> 00:19:44.460
 And so,

00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:45.380
 on day one

00:19:45.380 --> 00:19:46.340
 in Genesis,

00:19:46.480 --> 00:19:47.640
 we see the

00:19:47.640 --> 00:19:49.280
 separation of

00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:49.920
 light versus

00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:50.340
 dark.

00:19:50.339 --> 00:19:50.699
 And so,

00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:51.179
 I'm filling

00:19:51.179 --> 00:19:51.559
 in this

00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:52.179
 table to

00:19:52.179 --> 00:19:52.619
 sort of

00:19:52.619 --> 00:19:53.759
 illustrate how

00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:56.399
 the six days

00:19:56.399 --> 00:19:57.099
 of creation

00:19:57.099 --> 00:19:58.240
 mirror each

00:19:58.240 --> 00:19:58.519
 other.

00:19:59.379 --> 00:19:59.579
 Right?

00:19:59.899 --> 00:20:00.419
 Because we

00:20:00.419 --> 00:20:01.659
 have the

00:20:01.659 --> 00:20:02.159
 first three

00:20:02.159 --> 00:20:02.559
 days,

00:20:02.699 --> 00:20:03.019
 which are

00:20:03.019 --> 00:20:04.419
 often described

00:20:04.419 --> 00:20:05.099
 as forming

00:20:05.099 --> 00:20:05.599
 days,

00:20:05.659 --> 00:20:06.559
 where God

00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:07.199
 is creating

00:20:07.199 --> 00:20:07.959
 the space

00:20:07.959 --> 00:20:09.919
 for these

00:20:09.919 --> 00:20:12.159
 different kingdoms,

00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:12.740
 these different

00:20:12.740 --> 00:20:13.419
 domains,

00:20:13.539 --> 00:20:14.019
 as you were.

00:20:14.099 --> 00:20:14.839
 Separating light

00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:15.459
 from dark.

00:20:15.859 --> 00:20:16.619
 On day two,

00:20:16.779 --> 00:20:17.879
 he's separating

00:20:17.879 --> 00:20:18.659
 the waters from

00:20:18.659 --> 00:20:19.059
 the sky,

00:20:19.059 --> 00:20:19.500
 so he's

00:20:19.500 --> 00:20:20.500
 creating waters,

00:20:20.679 --> 00:20:21.299
 he's creating

00:20:21.299 --> 00:20:22.519
 the air.

00:20:23.339 --> 00:20:23.960
 And then

00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:24.779
 day three,

00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:26.720
 he's separating

00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:28.339
 water from

00:20:28.339 --> 00:20:28.819
 the land.

00:20:29.299 --> 00:20:29.919
 And on the

00:20:29.919 --> 00:20:30.259
 land,

00:20:30.399 --> 00:20:30.899
 there is a

00:20:30.899 --> 00:20:31.639
 special creation

00:20:31.639 --> 00:20:32.379
 on day three,

00:20:32.779 --> 00:20:33.319
 the creation

00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:34.079
 of vegetation

00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:35.019
 on the land.

00:20:35.379 --> 00:20:35.500
 Okay?

00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:36.359
 So you can

00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:36.700
 imagine,

00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:39.200
 in this forming

00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:39.519
 column,

00:20:39.639 --> 00:20:40.619
 we have the

00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:41.099
 creation of

00:20:41.099 --> 00:20:41.480
 spaces,

00:20:41.940 --> 00:20:42.379
 the creation

00:20:42.379 --> 00:20:43.220
 of domains.

00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:44.419
 And then,

00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:45.200
 on the

00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:46.139
 filling days,

00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:47.000
 day four

00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:47.519
 through six,

00:20:47.579 --> 00:20:47.799
 we're going

00:20:47.799 --> 00:20:48.619
 to be filling

00:20:48.619 --> 00:20:49.199
 these different

00:20:49.199 --> 00:20:50.339
 domains with

00:20:50.339 --> 00:20:51.079
 their inhabitants.

00:20:51.859 --> 00:20:52.039
 Right?

00:20:52.379 --> 00:20:53.619
 So on day four,

00:20:53.739 --> 00:20:54.159
 we have the

00:20:54.159 --> 00:20:54.719
 creation of

00:20:54.719 --> 00:20:55.299
 the luminaries.

00:20:55.419 --> 00:20:55.699
 So we have

00:20:55.699 --> 00:20:56.199
 the sun,

00:20:56.339 --> 00:20:56.739
 the moon,

00:20:56.879 --> 00:20:57.419
 the stars.

00:20:57.919 --> 00:20:58.759
 These are

00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:00.379
 the inhabitants

00:21:00.379 --> 00:21:01.359
 of the light

00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:02.000
 and dark.

00:21:02.500 --> 00:21:02.699
 Right?

00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:04.079
 They are the

00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:04.699
 inhabitants of

00:21:04.699 --> 00:21:05.459
 day and night.

00:21:07.059 --> 00:21:08.079
 Moving forward,

00:21:08.739 --> 00:21:09.539
 on day five,

00:21:09.639 --> 00:21:10.679
 we have the

00:21:10.679 --> 00:21:11.479
 creation of

00:21:11.479 --> 00:21:11.899
 the fish

00:21:11.899 --> 00:21:12.479
 and the birds.

00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:12.859
 And the fish

00:21:12.859 --> 00:21:13.299
 and the birds,

00:21:13.459 --> 00:21:14.659
 they live in

00:21:14.659 --> 00:21:15.119
 the waters

00:21:15.119 --> 00:21:15.979
 and in the sky.

00:21:16.379 --> 00:21:16.500
 Right?

00:21:16.500 --> 00:21:17.200
 These are

00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.240
 the spaces

00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:18.680
 that God

00:21:18.680 --> 00:21:19.119
 has created

00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:19.839
 for these

00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:21.140
 creatures

00:21:21.140 --> 00:21:22.500
 on day two.

00:21:23.019 --> 00:21:23.920
 And on day six,

00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:24.700
 we have the

00:21:24.700 --> 00:21:25.359
 creation of

00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:26.420
 land creatures

00:21:26.420 --> 00:21:27.000
 in general,

00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:28.000
 animals and

00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.299
 bugs and

00:21:29.299 --> 00:21:30.920
 anything that

00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:31.680
 crawls and

00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.140
 creeps on the

00:21:32.140 --> 00:21:32.440
 land.

00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:33.960
 And a special

00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:35.720
 creation on

00:21:35.720 --> 00:21:36.500
 day six of

00:21:36.500 --> 00:21:37.160
 human beings

00:21:37.160 --> 00:21:38.119
 as separate

00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:39.680
 from the

00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:40.140
 animals.

00:21:40.460 --> 00:21:40.880
 And this

00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:41.579
 is the

00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:42.000
 pinnacle

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.299
 of the

00:21:43.299 --> 00:21:44.240
 creation week.

00:21:45.099 --> 00:21:45.240
 Okay?

00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:46.200
 The entire

00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:46.920
 creation week

00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:47.599
 is building

00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:49.359
 up to

00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:50.640
 human beings.

00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:51.660
 Right?

00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:52.400
 And there's

00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:53.319
 a beautiful

00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:56.039
 part where

00:21:56.039 --> 00:21:57.200
 we get into

00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:58.359
 strictly poetic

00:21:58.359 --> 00:21:58.960
 language.

00:21:59.200 --> 00:21:59.579
 It says,

00:21:59.859 --> 00:22:00.799
 God created

00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:01.279
 them in his

00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:01.700
 image.

00:22:02.120 --> 00:22:02.519
 In the image

00:22:02.519 --> 00:22:03.279
 of God,

00:22:03.460 --> 00:22:03.960
 he created

00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:04.319
 them.

00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:05.420
 Male and

00:22:05.420 --> 00:22:05.740
 female,

00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:06.680
 he created

00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:07.120
 them.

00:22:07.500 --> 00:22:07.720
 Right?

00:22:07.980 --> 00:22:08.420
 So it's a

00:22:08.420 --> 00:22:11.059
 triple emphasis

00:22:11.059 --> 00:22:12.120
 on the creation

00:22:12.120 --> 00:22:13.000
 of human beings

00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:13.740
 in the creation

00:22:13.740 --> 00:22:14.420
 week as the

00:22:14.420 --> 00:22:15.580
 pinnacle of

00:22:15.580 --> 00:22:16.100
 his creation.

00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:16.660
 And in fact,

00:22:16.700 --> 00:22:17.840
 if you look at

00:22:17.840 --> 00:22:18.500
 the description

00:22:18.500 --> 00:22:19.039
 of the

00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:19.600
 luminaries,

00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:21.019
 why did God

00:22:21.019 --> 00:22:21.519
 create the

00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:22.000
 luminaries?

00:22:23.360 --> 00:22:24.019
 God created

00:22:24.019 --> 00:22:24.980
 the sun and

00:22:24.980 --> 00:22:25.960
 the moon to

00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:27.600
 watch over the

00:22:27.600 --> 00:22:28.140
 day and the

00:22:28.140 --> 00:22:29.120
 night and for

00:22:29.120 --> 00:22:29.880
 signs and for

00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:30.220
 seasons.

00:22:30.860 --> 00:22:31.080
 Right?

00:22:31.180 --> 00:22:31.539
 And who's

00:22:31.539 --> 00:22:32.039
 watching for

00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:32.420
 signs and

00:22:32.420 --> 00:22:32.680
 seasons?

00:22:32.779 --> 00:22:33.279
 That's us.

00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:35.580
 So we're

00:22:35.580 --> 00:22:37.039
 showing here

00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:38.200
 in the

00:22:38.200 --> 00:22:39.980
 creation account

00:22:39.980 --> 00:22:41.100
 the creation

00:22:41.100 --> 00:22:42.039
 of a world

00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:42.800
 meant for

00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:43.480
 human beings.

00:22:43.919 --> 00:22:44.299
 It's an

00:22:44.299 --> 00:22:45.359
 anthropomorphic

00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:46.319
 creation.

00:22:47.819 --> 00:22:47.960
 No.

00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:50.079
 Anthropocentric?

00:22:51.180 --> 00:22:51.759
 That's the

00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:51.899
 word.

00:22:52.619 --> 00:22:53.079
 Anthropocentric

00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:53.619
 creation.

00:22:54.220 --> 00:22:55.299
 We're the big

00:22:55.299 --> 00:22:55.819
 deal here.

00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:57.059
 In the

00:22:57.059 --> 00:22:57.819
 creation, God

00:22:57.819 --> 00:22:58.240
 is the big

00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:58.700
 deal and the

00:22:58.700 --> 00:22:59.339
 one doing it,

00:22:59.460 --> 00:22:59.740
 obviously.

00:23:00.700 --> 00:23:01.339
 And on day

00:23:01.339 --> 00:23:02.819
 seven, God

00:23:02.819 --> 00:23:03.379
 rests.

00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:04.720
 There's no

00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:05.279
 morning and

00:23:05.279 --> 00:23:06.019
 evening with

00:23:06.019 --> 00:23:06.500
 the implication

00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:08.159
 that God's

00:23:08.159 --> 00:23:08.919
 rest continues

00:23:08.919 --> 00:23:09.299
 on.

00:23:10.339 --> 00:23:10.899
 And so this is

00:23:10.900 --> 00:23:11.540
 God's Sabbath

00:23:11.540 --> 00:23:12.019
 and in the

00:23:12.019 --> 00:23:13.300
 same way that

00:23:13.300 --> 00:23:14.900
 God rests on

00:23:14.900 --> 00:23:15.220
 the seventh

00:23:15.220 --> 00:23:16.460
 day, we, and

00:23:16.460 --> 00:23:17.480
 delights in

00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:18.220
 his creation,

00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:18.880
 saying that it's

00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.960
 very good, we

00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:21.920
 as human beings

00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:22.820
 later in

00:23:22.820 --> 00:23:24.200
 Exodus and

00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:24.860
 in Deuteronomy,

00:23:25.019 --> 00:23:25.860
 we are expected

00:23:25.860 --> 00:23:27.600
 to rest on the

00:23:27.600 --> 00:23:28.200
 Sabbath day, on

00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:28.780
 the seventh day,

00:23:29.220 --> 00:23:30.240
 keep it holy to

00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.700
 glorify God in

00:23:32.700 --> 00:23:34.080
 his creation and

00:23:34.080 --> 00:23:35.860
 to worship

00:23:35.860 --> 00:23:36.200
 him.

00:23:36.700 --> 00:23:36.800
 Right?

00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:37.379
 So this is

00:23:37.379 --> 00:23:37.759
 sort of

00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:38.700
 showing us,

00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:39.700
 giving us a

00:23:39.700 --> 00:23:40.319
 pattern of

00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:40.940
 why it is

00:23:40.940 --> 00:23:41.480
 that on the

00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:41.859
 seventh day

00:23:41.859 --> 00:23:42.619
 that we rest

00:23:42.619 --> 00:23:43.700
 and glorify God

00:23:43.700 --> 00:23:44.200
 because on the

00:23:44.200 --> 00:23:44.799
 seventh day, God

00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:45.119
 rested.

00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:45.599
 Right?

00:23:45.659 --> 00:23:46.039
 That's the

00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:48.139
 direct implication

00:23:48.139 --> 00:23:50.299
 of Moses in

00:23:50.299 --> 00:23:51.619
 Exodus when he

00:23:51.619 --> 00:23:53.440
 is giving

00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:54.980
 Israelites the

00:23:54.980 --> 00:23:55.240
 law.

00:23:56.419 --> 00:23:57.480
 So this is

00:23:57.480 --> 00:23:58.159
 the major

00:23:58.159 --> 00:24:01.079
 biblical data

00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:02.019
 when it comes

00:24:02.019 --> 00:24:03.319
 to use a

00:24:03.319 --> 00:24:04.519
 weird term.

00:24:04.899 --> 00:24:05.220
 I'm a

00:24:05.220 --> 00:24:05.519
 scientist.

00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:06.180
 Sometimes I

00:24:06.180 --> 00:24:07.940
 use data

00:24:07.940 --> 00:24:08.779
 when I

00:24:08.779 --> 00:24:09.119
 shouldn't.

00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:10.400
 But anyways,

00:24:10.799 --> 00:24:11.299
 the biblical

00:24:11.299 --> 00:24:12.339
 information, the

00:24:12.339 --> 00:24:13.039
 biblical witness

00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:14.319
 in Genesis 1,

00:24:14.420 --> 00:24:14.859
 this is the

00:24:14.859 --> 00:24:16.359
 big, where

00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:17.279
 most of the

00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:18.259
 controversy lies

00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:19.379
 in terms of

00:24:19.379 --> 00:24:20.059
 interpreting

00:24:20.059 --> 00:24:20.839
 Genesis and

00:24:20.839 --> 00:24:21.799
 applying it to

00:24:21.799 --> 00:24:22.279
 the science and

00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:22.779
 faith discussion.

00:24:22.859 --> 00:24:23.200
 But I don't

00:24:23.200 --> 00:24:24.200
 think we should

00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:25.759
 give Genesis 2

00:24:25.759 --> 00:24:26.799
 and 3 short

00:24:26.799 --> 00:24:27.240
 shrift because

00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:28.000
 these are also

00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.139
 incredibly important

00:24:29.139 --> 00:24:29.859
 for understanding

00:24:29.859 --> 00:24:31.279
 how we parse

00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:32.240
 out these

00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:32.920
 different views.

00:24:33.779 --> 00:24:34.019
 So in

00:24:34.019 --> 00:24:35.339
 Genesis 2,

00:24:35.519 --> 00:24:36.960
 we zoom in

00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.480
 to discuss

00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:40.379
 the creation

00:24:40.379 --> 00:24:41.759
 of man.

00:24:42.359 --> 00:24:43.039
 Adam is made

00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:44.359
 specially by God

00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:45.160
 in his image.

00:24:46.180 --> 00:24:47.000
 He's given

00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:47.920
 dominion over

00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:48.579
 the animals.

00:24:49.139 --> 00:24:49.799
 He's tasked

00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:50.480
 with multiplying,

00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:51.240
 subduing the

00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:51.579
 earth.

00:24:51.980 --> 00:24:52.460
 We're given the

00:24:52.460 --> 00:24:53.940
 creation mandate.

00:24:56.500 --> 00:24:57.879
 And Eve is

00:24:57.879 --> 00:24:58.559
 presented to

00:24:58.559 --> 00:24:58.839
 Adam.

00:24:59.119 --> 00:24:59.500
 The first

00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:00.039
 marriage is

00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:00.460
 recorded.

00:25:00.460 --> 00:25:04.100
 God's plan for

00:25:04.100 --> 00:25:05.420
 creation is on

00:25:05.420 --> 00:25:07.100
 track to being

00:25:07.100 --> 00:25:07.559
 completed.

00:25:07.860 --> 00:25:08.720
 Now he has his

00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:09.660
 vice regents here

00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:11.039
 on earth to

00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.779
 subdue and to

00:25:12.779 --> 00:25:13.720
 participate in

00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.319
 God subduing and

00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:19.039
 ruling over the

00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:19.279
 earth.

00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:21.400
 But we're all

00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:22.019
 aware of what

00:25:22.019 --> 00:25:22.700
 happens in Genesis

00:25:22.700 --> 00:25:23.400
 3.

00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:24.940
 In Genesis 3,

00:25:25.279 --> 00:25:26.340
 the narrative

00:25:26.340 --> 00:25:27.500
 continues with the

00:25:27.500 --> 00:25:28.900
 great cataclysm that

00:25:28.900 --> 00:25:29.420
 we call the

00:25:29.420 --> 00:25:29.720
 fall.

00:25:30.820 --> 00:25:31.540
 The serpent

00:25:31.540 --> 00:25:34.360
 deceives Adam

00:25:34.360 --> 00:25:34.840
 and Eve to

00:25:34.840 --> 00:25:37.519
 disobey God

00:25:37.519 --> 00:25:39.380
 by eating from

00:25:39.380 --> 00:25:40.000
 the tree of the

00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:40.420
 knowledge of good

00:25:40.420 --> 00:25:40.860
 and evil, the

00:25:40.860 --> 00:25:42.259
 one tree that God

00:25:42.259 --> 00:25:43.120
 said do not eat

00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:43.340
 from.

00:25:45.460 --> 00:25:46.360
 And don't we know

00:25:46.360 --> 00:25:47.440
 as parents how

00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:48.420
 that is, right?

00:25:48.580 --> 00:25:50.000
 The one place you

00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:50.500
 tell them not to

00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:50.700
 go.

00:25:50.800 --> 00:25:51.380
 That's the place

00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:51.960
 they want to be.

00:25:52.860 --> 00:25:53.400
 Anyways, one of

00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.040
 these days I'll tell

00:25:54.040 --> 00:25:54.540
 them not to eat

00:25:54.539 --> 00:25:55.159
 broccoli and we'll

00:25:55.159 --> 00:25:55.740
 see if that works.

00:25:58.740 --> 00:26:00.420
 So this

00:26:00.420 --> 00:26:01.740
 disobedience results

00:26:01.740 --> 00:26:03.019
 in their death.

00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:05.200
 Not immediately,

00:26:05.819 --> 00:26:06.420
 but eventually.

00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:08.180
 Their death, they

00:26:08.180 --> 00:26:09.899
 are individually

00:26:09.899 --> 00:26:10.819
 cursed, the serpent,

00:26:11.379 --> 00:26:12.359
 the man, and the

00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:12.599
 woman.

00:26:13.639 --> 00:26:15.139
 And now the

00:26:15.139 --> 00:26:16.220
 relationship between

00:26:16.220 --> 00:26:17.079
 God and man has

00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:17.779
 been ruptured.

00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.279
 And there is

00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:22.220
 condemnation.

00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:23.960
 Although, we have

00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:24.500
 a promise of

00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:25.880
 redemption already

00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.420
 in the, pretty

00:26:28.420 --> 00:26:30.019
 much in the

00:26:30.019 --> 00:26:30.519
 middle of the

00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:31.880
 curses, right?

00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:32.960
 They have just

00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:33.779
 disobeyed God.

00:26:35.120 --> 00:26:35.600
 You know, they

00:26:35.600 --> 00:26:36.319
 have marred his

00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:37.160
 beautiful creation.

00:26:37.819 --> 00:26:38.860
 He's cursing them,

00:26:39.180 --> 00:26:40.160
 but in the middle

00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:40.960
 of the cursing is a

00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:42.400
 parenthetical, by

00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:44.140
 the way, I'll take

00:26:44.140 --> 00:26:45.539
 care of this, right?

00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:49.160
 So, this is our

00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:49.960
 biblical information.

00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:50.880
 If you guys remember

00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:51.640
 back to the

00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:53.259
 biblical theology

00:26:53.259 --> 00:26:54.240
 courses that we

00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:54.759
 were just going

00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:56.800
 through, the

00:26:56.800 --> 00:26:59.780
 creation, fall, and

00:26:59.780 --> 00:27:00.440
 the beginning of

00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:01.420
 redemption history is

00:27:01.420 --> 00:27:02.840
 a major theme in

00:27:02.840 --> 00:27:04.500
 all of these

00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:05.320
 different strands

00:27:05.320 --> 00:27:07.320
 that fly out from

00:27:07.320 --> 00:27:08.380
 Genesis throughout

00:27:08.380 --> 00:27:08.880
 the Bible.

00:27:08.980 --> 00:27:09.340
 These different

00:27:09.340 --> 00:27:10.140
 strands that are

00:27:10.140 --> 00:27:11.820
 connected and

00:27:11.820 --> 00:27:12.900
 ultimately find

00:27:12.900 --> 00:27:14.420
 their consummation

00:27:14.420 --> 00:27:15.460
 and conclusion

00:27:15.460 --> 00:27:17.500
 and climax,

00:27:17.620 --> 00:27:18.060
 let's say,

00:27:18.800 --> 00:27:20.500
 in Jesus.

00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:21.220
 Sorry, I was just

00:27:21.220 --> 00:27:21.500
 thinking that.

00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:22.220
 I just did three

00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:22.900
 C words and it

00:27:22.900 --> 00:27:23.299
 wasn't even on

00:27:23.299 --> 00:27:23.579
 purpose.

00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.680
 So, it's

00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:28.059
 important.

00:27:28.599 --> 00:27:29.299
 This is important.

00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:30.819
 And this is why

00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:31.859
 there is a

00:27:31.859 --> 00:27:32.539
 significant amount

00:27:32.539 --> 00:27:33.519
 of controversy over

00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:34.579
 the interpretation of

00:27:34.579 --> 00:27:35.119
 these passages,

00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:35.859
 because it's not

00:27:35.859 --> 00:27:39.299
 just how did God

00:27:39.299 --> 00:27:40.240
 create the world.

00:27:40.940 --> 00:27:43.619
 It is the sort of

00:27:43.619 --> 00:27:44.359
 the bedrock

00:27:44.359 --> 00:27:47.099
 assumptions and

00:27:47.099 --> 00:27:48.619
 set up for really

00:27:48.619 --> 00:27:49.579
 the entire biblical

00:27:49.579 --> 00:27:50.079
 worldview.

00:27:51.139 --> 00:27:51.159
 Right?

00:27:51.479 --> 00:27:52.839
 So, just remember

00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:53.399
 that when we're

00:27:53.399 --> 00:27:53.979
 having these

00:27:53.979 --> 00:27:54.659
 discussions with

00:27:54.659 --> 00:27:55.899
 each other, and

00:27:55.899 --> 00:27:56.859
 we're disagreeing

00:27:56.859 --> 00:27:58.119
 with each other on

00:27:58.119 --> 00:27:59.299
 these different

00:27:59.299 --> 00:28:01.099
 views, a lot of

00:28:01.099 --> 00:28:02.839
 the heat comes

00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.759
 from our innate

00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:05.959
 view, our innate

00:28:05.959 --> 00:28:07.159
 desire to protect

00:28:07.159 --> 00:28:09.619
 the witness of

00:28:09.619 --> 00:28:09.879
 Scripture.

00:28:10.419 --> 00:28:10.639
 Right?

00:28:12.579 --> 00:28:14.599
 Because that's

00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:15.059
 what we're told to

00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:16.139
 do in the Bible,

00:28:16.459 --> 00:28:17.379
 to protect the

00:28:17.379 --> 00:28:18.039
 witness of Scripture

00:28:18.039 --> 00:28:21.240
 and to preserve

00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:25.460
 the witness

00:28:25.460 --> 00:28:27.019
 handed down by

00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:27.200
 this.

00:28:27.379 --> 00:28:28.019
 I don't know.

00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.039
 I'm trying to

00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:29.680
 quote a verse, and

00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:30.339
 it's not working.

00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:31.859
 Yeah, there you

00:28:31.859 --> 00:28:32.039
 go.

00:28:32.159 --> 00:28:32.859
 That's what I'm

00:28:32.859 --> 00:28:33.259
 going for.

00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:34.960
 The faith once

00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:35.480
 for all.

00:28:36.819 --> 00:28:37.659
 Yeah, exactly.

00:28:37.779 --> 00:28:38.339
 Delivered to the

00:28:38.339 --> 00:28:38.500
 saints.

00:28:38.940 --> 00:28:39.099
 Okay.

00:28:39.779 --> 00:28:41.500
 So, this is our

00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:42.039
 biblical data.

00:28:42.119 --> 00:28:42.460
 This is what

00:28:42.460 --> 00:28:43.119
 everybody's reading.

00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:44.180
 Okay?

00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:47.220
 These, I'm about

00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:48.059
 to go through a

00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:48.680
 variety of

00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:49.740
 different interpretations

00:28:49.740 --> 00:28:50.740
 of Genesis 1,

00:28:51.279 --> 00:28:52.700
 with the implications

00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:53.900
 for 2 and 3, but

00:28:53.900 --> 00:28:55.000
 usually a lot of

00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:56.259
 the discussion is on

00:28:56.259 --> 00:28:56.839
 Genesis 1.

00:28:58.220 --> 00:28:59.440
 And so, we all

00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:00.059
 don't have different

00:29:00.059 --> 00:29:01.279
 Bibles, right?

00:29:01.420 --> 00:29:02.279
 We're all reading the

00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:02.740
 same Bible.

00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:06.140
 And so, it's

00:29:06.140 --> 00:29:06.700
 important to take

00:29:06.700 --> 00:29:07.680
 into consideration

00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:08.319
 that we're all

00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:08.940
 looking at the same

00:29:08.940 --> 00:29:09.339
 stuff.

00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:10.519
 And the question is,

00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:11.359
 how do we

00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:11.859
 understand it?

00:29:11.940 --> 00:29:12.579
 What is Genesis

00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:14.319
 attempting to

00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:15.220
 convey to us?

00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:16.559
 So, let me start

00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.460
 with probably one

00:29:18.460 --> 00:29:19.339
 of the more

00:29:19.339 --> 00:29:22.099
 famous and

00:29:22.099 --> 00:29:22.639
 well-known

00:29:22.639 --> 00:29:23.720
 views, which is

00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:24.160
 young earth

00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:24.660
 creation

00:29:24.660 --> 00:29:25.619
 interpretations.

00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:27.980
 I'm going to

00:29:27.980 --> 00:29:29.039
 abbreviate that

00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.940
 Y-E-C.

00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:31.859
 I'm not entirely

00:29:31.859 --> 00:29:32.619
 sure why, because

00:29:32.619 --> 00:29:33.059
 I think this is

00:29:33.059 --> 00:29:33.579
 the only time I

00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:33.879
 use it.

00:29:34.879 --> 00:29:36.359
 But the young

00:29:36.359 --> 00:29:37.299
 earth creation

00:29:37.299 --> 00:29:39.259
 view basically

00:29:39.259 --> 00:29:40.059
 takes the face

00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:41.859
 value understanding

00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:43.180
 of Genesis as

00:29:43.180 --> 00:29:43.700
 we read it.

00:29:43.879 --> 00:29:44.180
 You know, as

00:29:44.180 --> 00:29:44.980
 modern people, we

00:29:44.980 --> 00:29:47.039
 read Genesis 1,

00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.180
 and there's an

00:29:49.180 --> 00:29:50.000
 initial understanding

00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:50.960
 of what we see in

00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:52.339
 our mind when we

00:29:52.339 --> 00:29:53.000
 read it, and that

00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:54.940
 is generally what

00:29:54.940 --> 00:29:55.700
 the young earth

00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:56.920
 creation view

00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.140
 attempts to put

00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:00.299
 forward is what

00:30:00.299 --> 00:30:00.879
 you read is what

00:30:00.879 --> 00:30:01.799
 you get, basically.

00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:02.940
 They take a face

00:30:02.940 --> 00:30:03.779
 value understanding.

00:30:04.940 --> 00:30:06.379
 They believe that

00:30:06.379 --> 00:30:08.660
 the creation account

00:30:08.660 --> 00:30:10.080
 is straight history

00:30:10.080 --> 00:30:10.880
 and is meant to

00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:11.640
 be understood that

00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:11.940
 way.

00:30:12.800 --> 00:30:13.759
 And further, usually

00:30:13.759 --> 00:30:14.820
 they believe that

00:30:14.820 --> 00:30:15.680
 science done

00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:18.100
 correctly will prove

00:30:18.100 --> 00:30:19.060
 that the earth and

00:30:19.060 --> 00:30:20.220
 universe is in fact

00:30:20.220 --> 00:30:21.600
 young as is

00:30:21.600 --> 00:30:22.860
 described in

00:30:22.860 --> 00:30:23.279
 scripture.

00:30:23.800 --> 00:30:24.279
 Now, of course,

00:30:24.900 --> 00:30:25.740
 you may be thinking,

00:30:25.860 --> 00:30:26.400
 oh, Genesis 1

00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:26.960
 doesn't give us an

00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:27.480
 age of the earth.

00:30:27.560 --> 00:30:28.519
 But if you take

00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:29.800
 Genesis 1 as

00:30:29.800 --> 00:30:30.460
 straight history,

00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:31.779
 and then you add

00:30:31.779 --> 00:30:33.500
 up all the

00:30:33.500 --> 00:30:35.340
 genealogical years

00:30:35.340 --> 00:30:36.519
 going through Genesis

00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:37.380
 all the way up to

00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:39.820
 Abraham, you get an

00:30:39.820 --> 00:30:41.580
 age range, right?

00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:43.560
 So 6,000 to 10,000

00:30:43.560 --> 00:30:44.440
 depending on how you

00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:45.200
 add it up.

00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:47.300
 So this is, they

00:30:47.300 --> 00:30:48.520
 are believing, this

00:30:48.520 --> 00:30:49.440
 is the witness of

00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:50.280
 scripture, and

00:30:50.280 --> 00:30:51.880
 therefore the earth

00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:53.020
 and universe must in

00:30:53.020 --> 00:30:55.080
 fact be young, and

00:30:55.080 --> 00:30:55.600
 that science

00:30:55.600 --> 00:30:56.440
 incorrectly will show

00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:56.980
 that it's young.

00:30:58.080 --> 00:30:59.460
 This is the young

00:30:59.460 --> 00:30:59.840
 earth view.

00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:01.700
 Oh, man, it's

00:31:01.700 --> 00:31:02.140
 snowing.

00:31:02.180 --> 00:31:02.600
 That's beautiful.

00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.679
 The second group, I'm

00:31:07.679 --> 00:31:08.299
 going to put these

00:31:08.299 --> 00:31:08.919
 into four different

00:31:08.919 --> 00:31:10.259
 groups, and these

00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:14.139
 groupings are largely

00:31:14.139 --> 00:31:15.799
 my creation, although

00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:17.799
 I am cribbing off of a

00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:18.959
 variety of different

00:31:18.959 --> 00:31:19.939
 sources.

00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:21.919
 But this next group I'm

00:31:21.919 --> 00:31:22.659
 calling the ancient

00:31:22.659 --> 00:31:24.000
 science interpretations.

00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:26.219
 And what these groups

00:31:26.219 --> 00:31:29.199
 have in common, I

00:31:29.199 --> 00:31:29.519
 thought that was

00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:30.159
 thunder, I was like.

00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:35.259
 So, yeah, exactly.

00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.000
 Oh, thank you.

00:31:38.080 --> 00:31:38.860
 Wouldn't that be nice?

00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:39.680
 I would love that.

00:31:39.840 --> 00:31:40.080
 All right.

00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:42.660
 So I've grouped these

00:31:42.660 --> 00:31:43.960
 under this heading of

00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:44.900
 ancient science because

00:31:44.900 --> 00:31:47.580
 they share in common the

00:31:47.580 --> 00:31:48.560
 belief that the Genesis

00:31:48.560 --> 00:31:50.220
 account is intending to

00:31:50.220 --> 00:31:54.040
 convey what God did and

00:31:54.040 --> 00:31:55.200
 how God created the

00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.279
 world, and that

00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:57.980
 understanding it

00:31:57.980 --> 00:31:59.000
 correctly, it will fit

00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:00.460
 with the sort of the

00:32:00.460 --> 00:32:02.140
 modern scientific view

00:32:02.140 --> 00:32:03.240
 of the world.

00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:06.079
 So the first group

00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.880
 in this group

00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:10.839
 is the appearance

00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:12.779
 of age idea.

00:32:12.980 --> 00:32:13.920
 And so basically what

00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:14.920
 the appearance of age

00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:16.779
 interpretation says is

00:32:16.779 --> 00:32:19.500
 that the young

00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:20.480
 earth understanding

00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:21.960
 of the Bible is

00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.500
 correct, except

00:32:23.500 --> 00:32:25.940
 that the world

00:32:25.940 --> 00:32:27.539
 does appear old.

00:32:27.539 --> 00:32:29.559
 but it is merely

00:32:29.559 --> 00:32:30.339
 appearing old

00:32:30.339 --> 00:32:31.519
 because it was

00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:32.279
 created mature.

00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:33.519
 Right?

00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:34.440
 And so you can see

00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:35.759
 that there is, you

00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:36.500
 may be thinking, what's

00:32:36.500 --> 00:32:36.980
 the difference between

00:32:36.980 --> 00:32:37.500
 that and young

00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:38.119
 earth creationism?

00:32:38.259 --> 00:32:38.980
 What young earth

00:32:38.980 --> 00:32:39.639
 creationists would

00:32:39.639 --> 00:32:41.099
 believe that science

00:32:41.099 --> 00:32:41.759
 done correctly will

00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.399
 show that the earth

00:32:43.399 --> 00:32:44.460
 is young and the

00:32:44.460 --> 00:32:45.099
 universe is young.

00:32:46.059 --> 00:32:47.379
 A person who takes

00:32:47.379 --> 00:32:48.480
 the appearance of age

00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:49.599
 approach would say,

00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.319
 I am taking the

00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:53.039
 witness of scripture

00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:55.339
 at face value, and I

00:32:55.339 --> 00:32:57.259
 recognize that science

00:32:57.259 --> 00:32:58.279
 seems to indicate that

00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.279
 the earth is old, and

00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:01.220
 the way I reconcile

00:33:01.220 --> 00:33:03.799
 that is by positing

00:33:03.799 --> 00:33:05.420
 that the earth is

00:33:05.420 --> 00:33:06.900
 merely appears old.

00:33:07.180 --> 00:33:07.940
 Similar, and they

00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:09.160
 use this example,

00:33:09.859 --> 00:33:11.319
 similarly, God created

00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.740
 Adam as a full adult

00:33:13.740 --> 00:33:14.379
 human being.

00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:15.279
 Right?

00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:16.420
 You know, do they have

00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:16.940
 a belly button?

00:33:17.259 --> 00:33:17.940
 You know, who knows?

00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:18.339
 Right?

00:33:18.339 --> 00:33:21.439
 But the idea is, Adam

00:33:21.439 --> 00:33:25.759
 was created adult, and

00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.839
 so we can imagine a

00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:28.859
 scenario in which the

00:33:28.859 --> 00:33:30.599
 universe is created, in

00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:31.399
 a sense, adult.

00:33:31.959 --> 00:33:32.259
 Right?

00:33:33.039 --> 00:33:34.639
 And fully grown, and

00:33:34.639 --> 00:33:35.980
 that, when we do

00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:36.819
 science, it sort of

00:33:36.819 --> 00:33:38.039
 appears as if it's old,

00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:39.099
 but really it's not.

00:33:40.199 --> 00:33:41.720
 That's one view.

00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.299
 The next view in the

00:33:45.299 --> 00:33:46.140
 ancient science

00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:47.620
 interpretations is the

00:33:47.620 --> 00:33:48.180
 gap theory.

00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:50.980
 So basically, the gap

00:33:50.980 --> 00:33:52.380
 theory says that

00:33:52.380 --> 00:33:54.620
 Genesis 1 to 2,

00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:56.740
 sorry, Genesis 1, 1

00:33:56.740 --> 00:33:58.980
 to 2, describes sort

00:33:58.980 --> 00:34:00.319
 of the initial creation

00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:02.259
 event, and when it

00:34:02.259 --> 00:34:03.779
 says that the earth

00:34:03.779 --> 00:34:07.339
 was formless and void,

00:34:07.339 --> 00:34:10.679
 that the correct way

00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:11.739
 to understand that is

00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:12.840
 to say the earth

00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:14.420
 became formless and

00:34:14.420 --> 00:34:16.360
 void, and so the

00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:17.259
 idea is that God

00:34:17.259 --> 00:34:19.340
 initially created the

00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:20.199
 whole world, the whole

00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:20.579
 universe.

00:34:21.219 --> 00:34:21.900
 This is where we get

00:34:21.900 --> 00:34:22.960
 all of the age that

00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.599
 we see implicated in

00:34:25.599 --> 00:34:28.259
 science, but then due

00:34:28.259 --> 00:34:30.319
 to the fall of Satan,

00:34:30.980 --> 00:34:33.340
 this world that God

00:34:33.340 --> 00:34:35.699
 created initially falls

00:34:35.699 --> 00:34:37.319
 into dissonance,

00:34:37.340 --> 00:34:38.559
 disrepair, it becomes

00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.600
 formless and void, and

00:34:40.600 --> 00:34:41.680
 there's extinction

00:34:41.680 --> 00:34:42.920
 events on earth, etc.

00:34:43.500 --> 00:34:45.140
 And then in Genesis 1,

00:34:45.200 --> 00:34:46.400
 3, and continuing in

00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:47.660
 the Genesis account, we

00:34:47.660 --> 00:34:48.620
 find the straight

00:34:48.620 --> 00:34:50.660
 history of how God

00:34:50.660 --> 00:34:52.400
 recreated the world.

00:34:53.180 --> 00:34:54.760
 He created the world,

00:34:55.240 --> 00:34:57.000
 he re-separated things,

00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:57.620
 he created the light

00:34:57.620 --> 00:34:58.380
 and the dark, and the

00:34:58.380 --> 00:34:59.519
 sun, and all these

00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:01.200
 things, and that the

00:35:01.200 --> 00:35:02.400
 earth is in fact, or

00:35:02.400 --> 00:35:03.880
 the universe is in

00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:05.680
 fact very old, but

00:35:05.680 --> 00:35:06.900
 Genesis is describing

00:35:06.900 --> 00:35:07.519
 the straight history.

00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:09.000
 Does that make sense

00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:09.360
 to everybody?

00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:11.440
 I will mention that the

00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.680
 gap theory sounds really

00:35:13.680 --> 00:35:16.480
 good to our ears, but

00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:18.139
 most biblical scholars,

00:35:18.820 --> 00:35:19.740
 the reason that it's not

00:35:19.740 --> 00:35:20.619
 very popular is most

00:35:20.619 --> 00:35:21.660
 biblical scholars don't

00:35:21.660 --> 00:35:23.340
 find the grammatical

00:35:23.340 --> 00:35:26.300
 connection in verses 1 to 2

00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:28.980
 to 3 as being legitimate,

00:35:28.980 --> 00:35:30.820
 so saying that it became

00:35:30.820 --> 00:35:32.159
 formless and void.

00:35:32.579 --> 00:35:34.500
 A lot of scholars will say

00:35:34.500 --> 00:35:35.260
 it doesn't actually say

00:35:35.260 --> 00:35:35.960
 that grammatically.

00:35:36.240 --> 00:35:36.800
 The better way to

00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:37.539
 understand it is the way

00:35:37.539 --> 00:35:38.659
 that we translate it, but

00:35:38.659 --> 00:35:40.099
 this is a view, it

00:35:40.099 --> 00:35:41.219
 actually was very popular

00:35:41.219 --> 00:35:43.320
 like 150 years ago.

00:35:44.059 --> 00:35:45.519
 But there are still people

00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:46.780
 who would affirm this, and

00:35:46.780 --> 00:35:47.240
 they have their own

00:35:47.240 --> 00:35:47.579
 arguments.

00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:51.740
 The last of the ancient

00:35:51.740 --> 00:35:53.000
 science interpretations that

00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:55.119
 I'm putting forward, I just

00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:55.800
 want to make it clear that

00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:57.280
 this is not exhaustive.

00:35:58.500 --> 00:36:00.200
 I'm only showing you a,

00:36:00.900 --> 00:36:01.800
 what I hope to be a

00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.360
 representative sample of a

00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:04.640
 lot of the interpretations

00:36:04.640 --> 00:36:05.539
 of Genesis, but there's

00:36:05.539 --> 00:36:08.220
 like a whole bunch, way,

00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.840
 way more than this.

00:36:10.560 --> 00:36:11.340
 Actually, not that much

00:36:11.340 --> 00:36:11.539
 more.

00:36:11.680 --> 00:36:12.280
 Let me like double.

00:36:13.560 --> 00:36:15.039
 But I feel like this is,

00:36:15.160 --> 00:36:15.900
 this covers the ground.

00:36:15.980 --> 00:36:16.820
 A lot of them are sort of

00:36:16.820 --> 00:36:18.000
 the nuances, they're very

00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:18.600
 close to each other.

00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:20.840
 So the third one is we have

00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:23.420
 the day-age theory, and this

00:36:23.420 --> 00:36:25.000
 takes the Genesis account to

00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.360
 be describing how God

00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.699
 created, but takes the less

00:36:28.699 --> 00:36:29.960
 common understanding of the

00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:31.719
 word day, when we're talking

00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.280
 about one day, a second day,

00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:35.380
 a third day, evening,

00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:36.119
 morning, etc.

00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:37.760
 They take the word day to

00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.360
 indicate a long period of

00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:39.820
 time.

00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.159
 Now, in the Bible, there are

00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:45.619
 usages of the word day in

00:36:45.619 --> 00:36:47.519
 the, that's used in Genesis

00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.739
 1 to describe a long period

00:36:49.739 --> 00:36:52.039
 of time, like the day of the

00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:53.079
 Lord, right?

00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.199
 These are usages of the word

00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:57.659
 day that indicate a long

00:36:57.659 --> 00:36:58.739
 period of time, or just an

00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:00.000
 indeterminate amount of time,

00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:00.699
 right?

00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.599
 And so a day-age theorist

00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:07.420
 would say that Genesis 1 is

00:37:07.420 --> 00:37:08.840
 straight history, but we're

00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.460
 meant to understand the day

00:37:10.460 --> 00:37:12.000
 described in these different

00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.559
 days as a long period of time

00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:14.779
 and age, right?

00:37:14.860 --> 00:37:16.500
 Which is how we get this view.

00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:21.360
 But they, this allows them to

00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:23.260
 take sort of a mostly literal

00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:24.679
 approach to understanding

00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:27.840
 Genesis, but allows for the

00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:30.440
 universe to be very old,

00:37:30.619 --> 00:37:31.039
 right?

00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:32.880
 So you can see that these three

00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:34.460
 different views, they are

00:37:34.460 --> 00:37:37.320
 taking some of the information

00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.599
 that we get from general

00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.019
 revelation, and they are saying

00:37:43.019 --> 00:37:44.739
 that the Bible is attempting to

00:37:44.739 --> 00:37:47.259
 convey this information in the

00:37:47.259 --> 00:37:48.079
 text, right?

00:37:48.099 --> 00:37:49.239
 Which is why I call it ancient

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:50.139
 science, right?

00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:52.079
 The Bible is telling us something

00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:52.579
 scientific.

00:37:53.819 --> 00:37:55.739
 This third group, creation poem

00:37:56.319 --> 00:37:56.959
 interpretation.

00:37:57.359 --> 00:38:00.179
 So I grouped these two together

00:38:00.179 --> 00:38:03.379
 because they both posit that the

00:38:03.379 --> 00:38:04.719
 Genesis is using figures of

00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:07.399
 speech and literary conventions to

00:38:07.399 --> 00:38:09.000
 convey God's activity in creation.

00:38:09.679 --> 00:38:12.500
 And so these views usually allow for a

00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:15.519
 variety of different hows of how God

00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:17.980
 created, but they all are indicating

00:38:17.980 --> 00:38:21.340
 that the Genesis passage is telling

00:38:21.340 --> 00:38:23.199
 us what God did in creation.

00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:24.039
 Okay?

00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:24.840
 Does that make sense?

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:27.599
 So the first view I'm going to talk

00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.960
 about is the analogical day theory.

00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:35.440
 In this view, God is using analogical

00:38:35.440 --> 00:38:39.780
 language to compare himself, his activity

00:38:39.780 --> 00:38:42.980
 in creation to a craftsman and his work

00:38:42.980 --> 00:38:43.920
 week, right?

00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.040
 So he's using the language of just like

00:38:46.040 --> 00:38:48.120
 a craftsman in his work week does

00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:50.680
 this, God as the ultimate craftsman

00:38:50.680 --> 00:38:53.960
 makes the entire world and the last day

00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:54.360
 rested.

00:38:57.180 --> 00:39:00.260
 So it's using analogical language in the

00:39:00.260 --> 00:39:02.700
 sense that it's describing what God

00:39:02.700 --> 00:39:03.540
 actually did.

00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.360
 He did create the light and the dark and

00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:07.820
 the sun and the moon and et cetera,

00:39:07.820 --> 00:39:10.460
 but it's using figures of speech to

00:39:10.460 --> 00:39:11.140
 describe it.

00:39:11.460 --> 00:39:15.039
 And so in that sense, we're not wedded to

00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:19.559
 the specific hows of God is, of how God

00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:20.600
 is doing these different things.

00:39:20.700 --> 00:39:23.800
 In fact, we're not necessarily saying that

00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:27.240
 the creation week is using chronological

00:39:27.240 --> 00:39:29.800
 time and maybe taking things out of order

00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:32.940
 to make a theological point, but it's still

00:39:32.940 --> 00:39:34.440
 saying what God actually did.

00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:40.039
 This other group is the framework view

00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:40.539
 crowd.

00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.519
 This framework view relies heavily on what I

00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:48.260
 described in Genesis 1, which is that

00:39:48.260 --> 00:39:51.159
 symmetry in the creation account, in the

00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.500
 forming and the filling and the Sabbath.

00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:57.240
 This is basically what everybody acknowledges

00:39:57.240 --> 00:39:58.619
 is going on in the Bible.

00:39:58.780 --> 00:40:00.579
 And so they say, well, based on that,

00:40:00.579 --> 00:40:03.799
 Genesis 1 is using a literary framework

00:40:03.799 --> 00:40:05.880
 to describe God's creation.

00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:07.639
 It's not really trying to tell us anything

00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.279
 about how God did any of this stuff.

00:40:10.880 --> 00:40:12.840
 It's not trying to tell us chronology or

00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:14.380
 what came after what.

00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:19.559
 It's just saying it's using a literary

00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:20.579
 framework.

00:40:20.679 --> 00:40:22.019
 There's really no better way to say it.

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:23.299
 That's why they call it the framework view.

00:40:23.300 --> 00:40:28.660
 And so Genesis is outlining the structures

00:40:28.660 --> 00:40:32.519
 of creation and what is going on, God's

00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:34.280
 creation of the different domains and the

00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:35.780
 people who live in the domains, but it's not

00:40:35.780 --> 00:40:38.160
 really telling us how he's creating these in

00:40:38.160 --> 00:40:38.560
 detail.

00:40:39.260 --> 00:40:39.320
 Okay.

00:40:39.860 --> 00:40:40.400
 Does that make sense?

00:40:40.860 --> 00:40:41.100
 Okay.

00:40:42.539 --> 00:40:45.880
 And finally, this last group I'm calling the

00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:47.600
 religion only interpretations.

00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.600
 And basically this group I'm putting together

00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:52.820
 because they don't believe that Genesis is

00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:58.120
 meant to describe what or how creation happened,

00:40:58.440 --> 00:41:02.220
 but really the who and the why, right?

00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.039
 So these interpretations are describing who God

00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:08.320
 is and why God is creating the world.

00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:10.980
 And it's using different, and we'll see,

00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.680
 different ways of understanding what Genesis

00:41:13.680 --> 00:41:17.500
 is conveying in the what, but in no case is the

00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:19.260
 what meant to be taken as history.

00:41:19.260 --> 00:41:24.640
 So the first view here is the proclamation day view.

00:41:25.780 --> 00:41:29.400
 So in this view, God in his throne room is

00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:33.260
 proclaiming his acts of creation sort of in a

00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.340
 transcendent state.

00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:36.500
 He's in his throne room.

00:41:36.640 --> 00:41:40.640
 He is proclaiming what he is doing in creation to

00:41:40.640 --> 00:41:44.240
 the angels in heaven.

00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:48.639
 And it really has no correspondence to actual

00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:49.039
 history.

00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:51.859
 It's just saying that God is saying, I'm going to

00:41:51.859 --> 00:41:54.519
 create the sun.

00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:56.859
 I'm going to create light and dark, et cetera.

00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:01.199
 And then on earth, as it is actually carried out,

00:42:01.339 --> 00:42:03.139
 it's going to look completely different.

00:42:03.459 --> 00:42:05.519
 So we're meant to understand that in Genesis,

00:42:05.919 --> 00:42:08.579
 we're reading a description of God in his throne room

00:42:08.579 --> 00:42:10.179
 describing what he's going to do.

00:42:10.179 --> 00:42:12.399
 That's the proclamation day view.

00:42:13.940 --> 00:42:15.500
 The kingdom temple view.

00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:19.779
 So this view says that God in Genesis 1 is

00:42:19.779 --> 00:42:25.139
 indicating a literal week in history in which God

00:42:25.139 --> 00:42:27.139
 is inaugurating his creation.

00:42:27.980 --> 00:42:28.079
 Right?

00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:32.339
 So God created however it is that he created,

00:42:32.460 --> 00:42:36.559
 but in a week in the real world, God is saying,

00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:40.179
 I am inaugurating the light versus the dark.

00:42:40.179 --> 00:42:44.179
 I am inaugurating this as my kingdom or temple,

00:42:44.279 --> 00:42:47.179
 depending on how you understand these verses.

00:42:47.619 --> 00:42:47.719
 Right?

00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:52.619
 So I'm inaugurating this part of creation to be this

00:42:52.619 --> 00:42:54.460
 function in my temple, in my kingdom.

00:42:56.659 --> 00:42:58.719
 Again, it's not meant to actually convey anything

00:42:58.719 --> 00:42:59.920
 about the natural world.

00:43:00.139 --> 00:43:01.880
 It's not telling you how God did anything.

00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.440
 He's just saying that this is what God did and this

00:43:04.440 --> 00:43:08.579
 is why, or this is who God is and why it's there

00:43:08.579 --> 00:43:11.079
 and why it's describing this way is to help us

00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:11.840
 in worshiping him.

00:43:13.059 --> 00:43:17.220
 And finally, believe it or not, this is the last one,

00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:21.119
 the alternative cosmology view.

00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:21.980
 Okay?

00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:26.539
 So this view says that Moses is actually borrowing

00:43:26.539 --> 00:43:30.019
 the word picture and narratives of the surrounding

00:43:30.019 --> 00:43:33.860
 cultures, you know, in Egypt, Mesopotamia, and Canaan.

00:43:34.420 --> 00:43:37.739
 And by borrowing from these different sources,

00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:41.559
 he is attempting to contrast the God of the Bible

00:43:41.559 --> 00:43:43.599
 from the false gods.

00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:44.380
 Right?

00:43:45.019 --> 00:43:48.159
 And so see how they're similar, but look how they're different.

00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:48.960
 That's the idea.

00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:49.340
 Right?

00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:51.139
 And so he's trying to present to Israel

00:43:51.139 --> 00:43:54.679
 how their God is different from the gods

00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:56.079
 in the surrounding cultures,

00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:00.659
 but is not really challenging the ancient world picture

00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:02.639
 that they had in their mind, you know,

00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:06.840
 of the world on columns, on a flat place

00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.719
 with the mountains holding up the sky,

00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.299
 all these different ideas that we have

00:44:11.299 --> 00:44:12.779
 that the ancient people had about

00:44:12.779 --> 00:44:14.860
 what the physical world was really like.

00:44:15.099 --> 00:44:16.400
 So he's saying he's not challenging that.

00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:19.799
 He's using that word picture as a way

00:44:19.799 --> 00:44:22.920
 to emphasize the true God

00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.619
 versus the false gods around them.

00:44:24.619 --> 00:44:25.099
 Okay.

00:44:27.099 --> 00:44:28.819
 So that was a lot.

00:44:30.779 --> 00:44:35.400
 But how are we going to compare

00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:36.359
 all these different views?

00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:37.139
 Right?

00:44:37.539 --> 00:44:41.259
 How, what makes us compelled

00:44:41.259 --> 00:44:43.059
 by one view versus another?

00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.359
 So what I'm going to do here

00:44:45.359 --> 00:44:47.900
 is I'm going to go through the general categories.

00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:49.359
 I'm not going to go through every single one again,

00:44:49.739 --> 00:44:50.940
 but the general categories,

00:44:51.019 --> 00:44:53.639
 and I'm going to see how those earlier groups

00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:55.539
 that we talked to, those philosophical groups,

00:44:55.900 --> 00:44:57.440
 how they are usually,

00:44:58.440 --> 00:45:00.980
 how they cash out

00:45:00.980 --> 00:45:02.679
 in these different views of creation

00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:03.900
 and what makes them open

00:45:03.900 --> 00:45:04.759
 to these different views.

00:45:04.759 --> 00:45:05.119
 Right?

00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:06.779
 So in general,

00:45:07.859 --> 00:45:10.259
 the young earth creationist interpretations

00:45:10.259 --> 00:45:11.199
 are held by

00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:13.920
 either the science skeptics

00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:14.719
 who say, really,

00:45:14.859 --> 00:45:16.099
 we're not really meant to understand

00:45:16.099 --> 00:45:17.019
 anything from science,

00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:18.099
 or we can't really.

00:45:18.099 --> 00:45:20.339
 And concordists, right?

00:45:20.440 --> 00:45:22.219
 Believe that the,

00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:24.199
 that the biblical account

00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:26.000
 is attempting to give us scientific information

00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:26.440
 and we should,

00:45:26.779 --> 00:45:28.279
 we'll be learning about that

00:45:28.279 --> 00:45:30.599
 and we should be applying science

00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.299
 to understand the Bible in that way.

00:45:33.299 --> 00:45:33.579
 Right?

00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:35.799
 These ancient science interpretations,

00:45:36.299 --> 00:45:37.480
 these are going to be held

00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:39.279
 primarily by concordists.

00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:41.280
 They believe that the Bible

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.540
 is attempting to convey

00:45:43.540 --> 00:45:44.980
 scientific information

00:45:44.980 --> 00:45:47.360
 and that we as Christians

00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.680
 are meant to use

00:45:49.680 --> 00:45:51.800
 the information from general revelation

00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:53.080
 and special revelation

00:45:53.080 --> 00:45:54.800
 and make them concord.

00:45:57.300 --> 00:45:58.800
 In the creation poem interpretation,

00:45:59.580 --> 00:46:00.960
 you're going to find a wide variety

00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:01.620
 of different people

00:46:01.620 --> 00:46:03.260
 who find this convincing,

00:46:03.780 --> 00:46:04.960
 from concordists

00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.120
 all the way to accommodationists

00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:07.719
 with harmonists

00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:08.319
 sort of in the middle

00:46:08.319 --> 00:46:09.219
 as they always are.

00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:11.619
 And so,

00:46:11.819 --> 00:46:12.960
 in this view,

00:46:13.579 --> 00:46:14.460
 they,

00:46:14.539 --> 00:46:15.199
 they may believe

00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:15.719
 that the Bible

00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:16.920
 is attempting to convey

00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:18.420
 poetic information,

00:46:18.759 --> 00:46:19.559
 a concordist might,

00:46:19.900 --> 00:46:20.920
 but believe that it's still

00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:22.619
 conveying scientific information

00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:23.659
 at a certain point.

00:46:24.420 --> 00:46:25.380
 Or you may be

00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:26.259
 an accommodationist

00:46:26.259 --> 00:46:26.859
 who says that,

00:46:27.179 --> 00:46:27.440
 you know,

00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:28.519
 it's not really meant

00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.279
 to give us any information

00:46:30.279 --> 00:46:31.019
 about the world

00:46:31.019 --> 00:46:31.960
 as it really is,

00:46:32.019 --> 00:46:33.400
 but it's using figures of speech.

00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:33.880
 Right?

00:46:34.859 --> 00:46:35.799
 And then finally,

00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:36.659
 in the religion-only interpretation

00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:38.019
 you're going to find

00:46:38.019 --> 00:46:39.799
 pretty much those groups

00:46:39.799 --> 00:46:40.139
 that,

00:46:40.139 --> 00:46:42.440
 that weigh general revelation

00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:43.559
 much higher

00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:45.239
 in the harmonist

00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.779
 to biblical skeptics view.

00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:49.639
 And I will say that

00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.059
 when we're looking at

00:46:52.059 --> 00:46:52.719
 these different

00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.000
 ways of understanding,

00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:56.339
 this philosophical,

00:46:56.719 --> 00:46:57.960
 these philosophical views

00:46:57.960 --> 00:46:58.699
 of understanding

00:46:58.699 --> 00:47:02.199
 nature and creation,

00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.519
 I try not to put my own views

00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:06.339
 in the class.

00:47:06.340 --> 00:47:07.019
 I'm trying to help us

00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:07.620
 understand it,

00:47:07.660 --> 00:47:08.380
 but I will say

00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:09.640
 as an editor

00:47:09.640 --> 00:47:11.600
 that I think

00:47:11.600 --> 00:47:14.039
 that the science skeptics view

00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:15.640
 and the biblical skeptics view

00:47:15.640 --> 00:47:18.100
 are not well acquainted

00:47:18.100 --> 00:47:20.800
 with the Bible,

00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:21.740
 basically.

00:47:21.920 --> 00:47:22.940
 I think that those views

00:47:22.940 --> 00:47:25.420
 are difficult to hold

00:47:25.420 --> 00:47:28.059
 when taking the Bible seriously

00:47:28.059 --> 00:47:29.620
 or taking science seriously.

00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:31.180
 If you take the Bible seriously,

00:47:31.180 --> 00:47:32.500
 you should be taking science

00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:33.340
 at least a little seriously,

00:47:33.440 --> 00:47:34.519
 like we talked earlier, right?

00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:36.500
 So I think these are

00:47:36.500 --> 00:47:38.519
 difficult to hold,

00:47:38.780 --> 00:47:39.460
 but there are people

00:47:39.460 --> 00:47:39.960
 who hold them,

00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:40.960
 so this is helping,

00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:41.780
 trying to help us

00:47:41.780 --> 00:47:42.259
 to understand.

00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:43.440
 So let's go through.

00:47:43.719 --> 00:47:44.719
 You're talking to one

00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:46.940
 of your fellow Christians,

00:47:47.619 --> 00:47:49.900
 and you hear them

00:47:49.900 --> 00:47:51.460
 talking about

00:47:51.460 --> 00:47:52.559
 the kingdom temple view

00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:53.780
 of their interpretation

00:47:53.780 --> 00:47:54.579
 of Genesis 1,

00:47:55.179 --> 00:47:57.500
 and maybe they're

00:47:57.500 --> 00:47:58.900
 somewhere on this spectrum,

00:47:59.559 --> 00:47:59.860
 right?

00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:00.780
 In their views

00:48:00.780 --> 00:48:01.380
 of how you balance

00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:01.780
 these things.

00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:03.140
 and you are

00:48:03.140 --> 00:48:04.380
 over here,

00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:05.760
 right?

00:48:06.300 --> 00:48:08.160
 Your visceral reaction

00:48:08.160 --> 00:48:09.380
 to discussing with them

00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:10.360
 is that you believe

00:48:10.360 --> 00:48:11.840
 that they are compromising

00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:13.420
 the authority of Scripture

00:48:13.420 --> 00:48:15.780
 in their interpretations

00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:16.680
 of the Bible

00:48:16.680 --> 00:48:18.760
 because they're weighing

00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:19.900
 general revelation more,

00:48:19.980 --> 00:48:20.160
 right?

00:48:20.180 --> 00:48:20.640
 So you're saying,

00:48:21.100 --> 00:48:21.340
 look,

00:48:21.620 --> 00:48:22.360
 special revelation,

00:48:22.720 --> 00:48:24.100
 it's getting lighter,

00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:25.400
 right?

00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.660
 It feels like

00:48:27.660 --> 00:48:29.519
 they are accommodating,

00:48:29.700 --> 00:48:31.280
 they are compromising

00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:32.220
 their view,

00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:32.720
 and I think that

00:48:32.720 --> 00:48:34.280
 may contribute

00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:36.360
 to that feeling

00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:36.960
 of,

00:48:37.200 --> 00:48:37.639
 oh no,

00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:38.960
 I need,

00:48:39.300 --> 00:48:40.680
 we are meant

00:48:40.680 --> 00:48:41.500
 to protect

00:48:41.500 --> 00:48:42.340
 the witness of Scripture,

00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:43.880
 and I feel like

00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:45.639
 you're copping out,

00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:46.160
 essentially,

00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:46.660
 on this,

00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:47.059
 right?

00:48:47.260 --> 00:48:48.180
 And it goes

00:48:48.180 --> 00:48:48.820
 the other direction,

00:48:49.180 --> 00:48:49.480
 right?

00:48:49.660 --> 00:48:50.980
 If you're over here,

00:48:50.980 --> 00:48:53.139
 and you hear

00:48:53.139 --> 00:48:54.880
 a group over here

00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:55.780
 talking,

00:48:56.539 --> 00:48:57.300
 you may be thinking,

00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:58.280
 wow,

00:48:58.400 --> 00:48:59.800
 do you not care

00:48:59.800 --> 00:49:00.539
 what the Bible says

00:49:00.539 --> 00:49:01.920
 about what we can learn

00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:02.380
 from nature?

00:49:02.579 --> 00:49:03.179
 Do you think that

00:49:03.179 --> 00:49:04.039
 really there's nothing

00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:04.639
 that we can learn?

00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:05.480
 So there's almost

00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.320
 a friction there

00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:08.119
 about almost

00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:10.039
 like an anti-intellectualism.

00:49:10.280 --> 00:49:10.519
 You're like,

00:49:10.579 --> 00:49:10.920
 oh man,

00:49:10.980 --> 00:49:11.579
 they don't really,

00:49:11.780 --> 00:49:13.240
 they don't really get it,

00:49:13.460 --> 00:49:13.619
 you know,

00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:14.240
 they're not thinking

00:49:14.240 --> 00:49:14.900
 very clearly,

00:49:14.900 --> 00:49:15.400
 et cetera,

00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:16.079
 right?

00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:18.440
 But oftentimes,

00:49:19.219 --> 00:49:20.179
 these are in the background,

00:49:20.780 --> 00:49:20.960
 right?

00:49:21.019 --> 00:49:21.559
 In our mind,

00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:22.460
 and we're really dealing

00:49:22.460 --> 00:49:23.380
 with the interpretations,

00:49:23.860 --> 00:49:24.019
 right?

00:49:24.019 --> 00:49:24.679
 We're talking about

00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:25.199
 Genesis 1,

00:49:25.300 --> 00:49:25.740
 we're talking about

00:49:25.740 --> 00:49:26.519
 the best way

00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:27.260
 to translate it,

00:49:27.460 --> 00:49:27.860
 et cetera,

00:49:28.340 --> 00:49:29.039
 when in reality,

00:49:29.179 --> 00:49:30.219
 a lot of the heat,

00:49:31.139 --> 00:49:32.240
 a lot of the rancor

00:49:32.240 --> 00:49:33.119
 is coming from this.

00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:34.699
 I don't believe

00:49:34.699 --> 00:49:35.420
 that you are taking

00:49:35.420 --> 00:49:36.139
 the Bible seriously,

00:49:36.619 --> 00:49:37.740
 or I don't believe

00:49:37.740 --> 00:49:38.519
 that you're taking

00:49:38.519 --> 00:49:40.599
 the nature seriously,

00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:41.639
 right?

00:49:42.059 --> 00:49:43.039
 And that is what's

00:49:43.039 --> 00:49:44.219
 causing the discussion.

00:49:44.380 --> 00:49:45.800
 So what I would suggest

00:49:45.800 --> 00:49:46.380
 when we're having

00:49:46.380 --> 00:49:47.980
 these discussions

00:49:47.980 --> 00:49:49.840
 is bring it up,

00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:50.940
 right?

00:49:51.120 --> 00:49:51.860
 Bring up these,

00:49:52.240 --> 00:49:52.579
 you don't have to

00:49:52.579 --> 00:49:53.220
 use this language,

00:49:53.980 --> 00:49:54.820
 but bring it up

00:49:54.820 --> 00:49:55.140
 and say,

00:49:55.460 --> 00:49:56.960
 this is what I believe

00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:58.579
 about how we are

00:49:58.579 --> 00:49:59.200
 meant to understand

00:49:59.200 --> 00:50:00.360
 nature in special

00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:00.740
 revelation,

00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:01.519
 you know?

00:50:01.860 --> 00:50:02.600
 Think about these

00:50:02.600 --> 00:50:03.120
 different views.

00:50:03.660 --> 00:50:04.039
 Think about,

00:50:04.160 --> 00:50:04.900
 I'm sure as you're

00:50:04.900 --> 00:50:05.320
 sitting here,

00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:06.360
 you're listening to me

00:50:06.360 --> 00:50:07.000
 talk and you're saying,

00:50:07.100 --> 00:50:07.440
 ah, wow,

00:50:07.539 --> 00:50:10.300
 I identify more

00:50:10.300 --> 00:50:10.940
 with this group

00:50:10.940 --> 00:50:12.260
 than with another group,

00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:13.019
 right?

00:50:13.019 --> 00:50:13.679
 Maybe this is the

00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:14.099
 first time you've

00:50:14.099 --> 00:50:14.860
 ever thought about it.

00:50:15.179 --> 00:50:15.940
 But it's important

00:50:15.940 --> 00:50:16.440
 for us to think

00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:17.000
 about it because

00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:18.360
 this other group

00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:19.039
 is going to have

00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:19.820
 a different view

00:50:19.820 --> 00:50:23.179
 and as Orthodox

00:50:23.179 --> 00:50:23.719
 Christians,

00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:25.019
 as many people

00:50:25.019 --> 00:50:25.519
 who hold these

00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:26.079
 views are,

00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:28.320
 you're not going

00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:28.820
 to have a productive

00:50:28.820 --> 00:50:29.780
 dialogue if we're,

00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:32.239
 we are questioning

00:50:32.239 --> 00:50:33.000
 each other's motives,

00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:33.800
 right?

00:50:34.219 --> 00:50:35.800
 So that's my goal

00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:37.000
 in this entire class

00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:38.820
 is how can I bring

00:50:38.820 --> 00:50:39.579
 the information

00:50:39.579 --> 00:50:40.659
 from these debates

00:50:40.659 --> 00:50:43.000
 to us in a way

00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:44.480
 that can help us

00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:45.659
 to maintain unity

00:50:45.659 --> 00:50:46.139
 in the body,

00:50:46.739 --> 00:50:47.039
 okay?

00:50:47.420 --> 00:50:48.179
 And so you may be

00:50:48.179 --> 00:50:48.860
 asking yourself,

00:50:49.579 --> 00:50:50.460
 what on earth

00:50:50.460 --> 00:50:51.119
 does this have to do

00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:51.619
 with the telenovels

00:50:51.619 --> 00:50:52.179
 design of theistic

00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:52.539
 evolution,

00:50:52.799 --> 00:50:53.079
 right?

00:50:53.279 --> 00:50:53.980
 I thought this is

00:50:53.980 --> 00:50:54.639
 what this class

00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:55.079
 is about.

00:50:55.579 --> 00:50:56.239
 Well, you'll find

00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:57.259
 that it is actually

00:50:57.259 --> 00:50:58.400
 central,

00:50:58.880 --> 00:50:59.759
 okay?

00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:00.880
 Because if you,

00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:02.960
 if you,

00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:03.900
 your view of

00:51:03.900 --> 00:51:04.219
 Scripture

00:51:04.219 --> 00:51:05.699
 as an Orthodox

00:51:05.699 --> 00:51:06.259
 Christian,

00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:08.259
 when we believe

00:51:08.259 --> 00:51:08.719
 that Scripture

00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:09.199
 is our highest

00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:09.519
 authority,

00:51:09.579 --> 00:51:10.980
 our interpretation

00:51:10.980 --> 00:51:11.599
 of Scripture

00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:13.079
 provides the boundary

00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:14.119
 line of what is

00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:14.759
 possible,

00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:16.840
 what is possibly

00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:17.159
 true,

00:51:17.799 --> 00:51:18.079
 right?

00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:19.519
 It creates a window

00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:20.920
 in which certain

00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:21.860
 things can be true

00:51:21.860 --> 00:51:22.400
 and other things

00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:23.340
 have to be false,

00:51:23.940 --> 00:51:24.199
 right?

00:51:24.440 --> 00:51:25.099
 This is just how,

00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:26.099
 just how it works.

00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:27.519
 And so,

00:51:27.739 --> 00:51:28.860
 if you take

00:51:28.860 --> 00:51:30.940
 a,

00:51:31.299 --> 00:51:31.840
 either a young

00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:32.699
 earth creationist

00:51:32.699 --> 00:51:33.480
 or maybe an,

00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:35.219
 a ancient science

00:51:35.219 --> 00:51:35.679
 interpretation

00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:36.420
 of the Bible,

00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:37.639
 oftentimes,

00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:39.400
 this interpretation

00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:40.360
 of the Bible

00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:41.660
 essentially makes

00:51:41.660 --> 00:51:42.680
 any kind of

00:51:42.680 --> 00:51:43.559
 evolutionary mechanism

00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:44.019
 untenable,

00:51:44.660 --> 00:51:44.940
 right?

00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:45.740
 It's un,

00:51:45.740 --> 00:51:46.920
 it's unimaginable.

00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:48.840
 The Bible is,

00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:50.360
 the witness of the

00:51:50.360 --> 00:51:51.240
 Bible is this,

00:51:51.700 --> 00:51:52.280
 and therefore,

00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:53.800
 any kind of

00:51:53.800 --> 00:51:54.800
 evolution

00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:57.500
 is not going to be

00:51:57.500 --> 00:51:58.139
 allowed

00:51:58.139 --> 00:51:59.360
 for Christians.

00:51:59.680 --> 00:52:00.860
 And you often hear

00:52:00.860 --> 00:52:02.260
 Christians talking

00:52:02.260 --> 00:52:02.639
 this way,

00:52:02.700 --> 00:52:03.500
 who hold these

00:52:03.500 --> 00:52:04.079
 kinds of views,

00:52:04.260 --> 00:52:04.519
 right?

00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:05.900
 the Bible clearly

00:52:05.900 --> 00:52:06.780
 says that evolution

00:52:06.780 --> 00:52:07.400
 is impossible,

00:52:07.699 --> 00:52:08.880
 or et cetera.

00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:09.539
 And they may be

00:52:09.539 --> 00:52:09.840
 right,

00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:10.759
 right?

00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:11.440
 But that's,

00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:12.659
 that's them talking

00:52:12.659 --> 00:52:13.059
 from their

00:52:13.059 --> 00:52:14.119
 philosophical position

00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:15.519
 based on their

00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:16.280
 interpretation and

00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:17.019
 what is possible

00:52:17.019 --> 00:52:17.500
 and what is not

00:52:17.500 --> 00:52:17.880
 possible.

00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:19.679
 You know,

00:52:19.759 --> 00:52:20.340
 flipping the,

00:52:20.340 --> 00:52:21.000
 flipping the coin

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:21.199
 here,

00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:21.739
 if you have

00:52:21.739 --> 00:52:23.199
 a creation poem

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:24.420
 or religion-only

00:52:24.420 --> 00:52:25.119
 interpretation of the

00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:25.300
 Bible,

00:52:25.360 --> 00:52:25.820
 that really,

00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:26.780
 logically,

00:52:27.179 --> 00:52:27.619
 at least,

00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:28.400
 leaves open the

00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:29.300
 possibility of some

00:52:29.300 --> 00:52:30.219
 sort of evolutionary

00:52:30.219 --> 00:52:30.800
 mechanism,

00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:31.219
 right?

00:52:31.219 --> 00:52:31.780
 Because the Bible

00:52:31.780 --> 00:52:32.460
 isn't saying it's

00:52:32.460 --> 00:52:33.019
 not happening,

00:52:34.179 --> 00:52:34.400
 right?

00:52:34.579 --> 00:52:35.199
 So it could have

00:52:35.199 --> 00:52:35.599
 been happening,

00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:37.139
 right?

00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:38.000
 We're just saying

00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:38.699
 that in these

00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:39.420
 different interpretations,

00:52:39.559 --> 00:52:39.900
 we're just saying

00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:40.880
 Genesis isn't telling

00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:41.519
 us one way or the

00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.199
 other whether some

00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:43.820
 sort of evolutionary

00:52:43.820 --> 00:52:44.519
 mechanism or not

00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:44.840
 happened,

00:52:45.519 --> 00:52:45.760
 right?

00:52:45.780 --> 00:52:46.400
 So you can imagine

00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:47.500
 somebody who is a

00:52:47.500 --> 00:52:48.440
 theistic evolutionist

00:52:48.440 --> 00:52:49.619
 who holds one of

00:52:49.619 --> 00:52:50.240
 these interpretations

00:52:50.240 --> 00:52:50.920
 and they have a

00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:52.159
 sort of a different

00:52:52.159 --> 00:52:53.079
 window of what is

00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:53.639
 allowable,

00:52:54.099 --> 00:52:54.840
 right?

00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:57.539
 And so these are

00:52:57.539 --> 00:52:58.199
 going to be,

00:52:58.340 --> 00:52:59.679
 these are going to be

00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:01.099
 the first barrier in

00:53:01.099 --> 00:53:01.840
 any conversation

00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:03.820
 between Christians

00:53:03.820 --> 00:53:05.100
 on intelligent

00:53:05.100 --> 00:53:05.720
 design or

00:53:05.720 --> 00:53:06.519
 theistic evolution,

00:53:07.079 --> 00:53:09.460
 what is allowable,

00:53:10.260 --> 00:53:10.559
 right?

00:53:10.660 --> 00:53:11.300
 And so having a

00:53:11.300 --> 00:53:12.019
 discussion of what

00:53:12.019 --> 00:53:12.700
 I believe is

00:53:12.700 --> 00:53:13.680
 allowable based on

00:53:13.680 --> 00:53:14.320
 Genesis is a

00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:15.019
 helpful discussion,

00:53:15.620 --> 00:53:15.940
 right?

00:53:18.460 --> 00:53:19.220
 And doing it

00:53:19.220 --> 00:53:19.440
 without,

00:53:19.500 --> 00:53:19.720
 you know,

00:53:20.740 --> 00:53:21.340
 attacking each

00:53:21.340 --> 00:53:23.380
 other and being,

00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:23.820
 you know,

00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:24.519
 generally mean.

00:53:26.220 --> 00:53:26.960
 Not to say you

00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:27.620
 can't be vigorous,

00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:28.140
 you know?

00:53:28.200 --> 00:53:28.539
 Me and my

00:53:28.539 --> 00:53:28.860
 brothers,

00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:30.579
 I have eight,

00:53:30.579 --> 00:53:30.920
 I have,

00:53:31.179 --> 00:53:31.319
 no,

00:53:31.340 --> 00:53:31.579
 I don't have

00:53:31.579 --> 00:53:32.019
 eight brothers,

00:53:32.340 --> 00:53:32.819
 I have six

00:53:32.819 --> 00:53:33.119
 brothers.

00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:34.639
 Not a huge

00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:34.960
 difference,

00:53:35.019 --> 00:53:35.179
 right?

00:53:35.279 --> 00:53:35.420
 But,

00:53:35.860 --> 00:53:36.900
 you know,

00:53:36.940 --> 00:53:37.360
 we disagree,

00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:38.420
 we argue back

00:53:38.420 --> 00:53:38.940
 and forth,

00:53:39.299 --> 00:53:39.559
 you know,

00:53:39.619 --> 00:53:40.619
 sometimes vehemently,

00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:41.960
 no blows are

00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:42.319
 thrown,

00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:45.400
 but we can argue

00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:46.340
 rigorously without

00:53:46.340 --> 00:53:49.659
 declaring anathema

00:53:49.659 --> 00:53:50.159
 on each other.

00:53:50.299 --> 00:53:51.239
 That's the goal,

00:53:51.500 --> 00:53:51.739
 right?

00:53:51.739 --> 00:53:54.439
 So,

00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:57.799
 that is today's

00:53:57.799 --> 00:53:58.239
 class.

00:53:59.019 --> 00:53:59.719
 How do you

00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:00.339
 balance general

00:54:00.339 --> 00:54:00.759
 and special

00:54:00.759 --> 00:54:01.179
 revelation?

00:54:01.579 --> 00:54:02.000
 What does that

00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:02.399
 allow?

00:54:03.699 --> 00:54:04.539
 What interpretations

00:54:04.539 --> 00:54:06.319
 of Genesis do

00:54:06.319 --> 00:54:07.679
 these different

00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:08.439
 philosophical views

00:54:08.439 --> 00:54:09.719
 tend to support?

00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:12.079
 And how that can

00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:12.699
 help us in our

00:54:12.699 --> 00:54:13.259
 discussions with

00:54:13.259 --> 00:54:13.559
 each other.

00:54:14.619 --> 00:54:15.059
 So,

00:54:15.139 --> 00:54:15.719
 next class,

00:54:15.899 --> 00:54:16.399
 I'm going to be

00:54:16.399 --> 00:54:17.239
 actually comparing

00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:18.059
 intelligent design and

00:54:18.059 --> 00:54:18.739
 theistic evolution

00:54:18.739 --> 00:54:19.739
 on the merits,

00:54:20.339 --> 00:54:20.719
 hopefully.

00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:22.500
 and then talking

00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:23.239
 about the second

00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:23.779
 tension in

00:54:23.779 --> 00:54:24.480
 creationism,

00:54:24.959 --> 00:54:26.079
 which is really

00:54:26.079 --> 00:54:27.579
 the philosophical

00:54:27.579 --> 00:54:28.519
 position that is

00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:29.059
 going to decide

00:54:29.059 --> 00:54:29.439
 between,

00:54:30.139 --> 00:54:30.279
 well,

00:54:30.299 --> 00:54:30.579
 actually,

00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:31.319
 I shouldn't say

00:54:31.319 --> 00:54:31.519
 that.

00:54:31.799 --> 00:54:32.339
 It's going to be

00:54:32.339 --> 00:54:32.859
 the philosophical

00:54:32.859 --> 00:54:34.099
 position that

00:54:34.099 --> 00:54:35.959
 predisposes you

00:54:35.959 --> 00:54:37.659
 to find one more

00:54:37.659 --> 00:54:38.299
 compelling than the

00:54:38.299 --> 00:54:38.519
 other.

00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:39.399
 Although,

00:54:39.759 --> 00:54:40.259
 that may be a

00:54:40.259 --> 00:54:40.559
 little more

00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:40.959
 simplistic.

00:54:41.279 --> 00:54:41.879
 We'll talk about

00:54:41.879 --> 00:54:42.339
 it next week.

00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:44.119
 But with that,

00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:44.699
 anybody have any

00:54:44.699 --> 00:54:45.219
 questions?

00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:47.039
 Questions?

00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:49.399
 It indicates

00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:51.180
 last week's

00:54:51.180 --> 00:54:51.639
 recording,

00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:52.800
 because I had

00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:53.360
 the mic,

00:54:53.820 --> 00:54:55.539
 was the best

00:54:55.539 --> 00:54:56.380
 we ever got.

00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:57.000
 So,

00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:58.160
 appreciate your

00:54:58.160 --> 00:54:59.019
 patience with

00:54:59.019 --> 00:55:00.240
 this process.

00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:05.079
 As a scientist,

00:55:05.959 --> 00:55:07.179
 I wonder,

00:55:07.279 --> 00:55:07.559
 how do you

00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:08.479
 evaluate this

00:55:08.479 --> 00:55:09.599
 current science?

00:55:10.459 --> 00:55:10.779
 And,

00:55:11.219 --> 00:55:11.619
 because the

00:55:11.619 --> 00:55:12.399
 science today is

00:55:12.399 --> 00:55:12.779
 different than the

00:55:12.779 --> 00:55:13.679
 science 50 years

00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:14.059
 ago,

00:55:14.219 --> 00:55:14.619
 different than the

00:55:14.619 --> 00:55:15.299
 science 100 years

00:55:15.299 --> 00:55:15.699
 ago,

00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:17.899
 whereas God's

00:55:17.899 --> 00:55:18.939
 word is

00:55:18.939 --> 00:55:20.619
 infallible,

00:55:20.899 --> 00:55:21.899
 will always be

00:55:21.899 --> 00:55:22.659
 correct,

00:55:22.799 --> 00:55:23.919
 but not to say

00:55:23.919 --> 00:55:24.399
 that their

00:55:24.399 --> 00:55:25.500
 intention,

00:55:26.019 --> 00:55:26.559
 but how do you

00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:27.139
 have a healthy

00:55:27.139 --> 00:55:28.579
 skepticism of,

00:55:28.579 --> 00:55:29.400
 as a scientist,

00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:30.259
 and evaluating

00:55:30.259 --> 00:55:30.920
 the evidence

00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:31.460
 and what

00:55:31.460 --> 00:55:33.179
 general revelation

00:55:33.179 --> 00:55:34.119
 has to teach

00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:34.440
 us.

00:55:35.340 --> 00:55:35.759
 So,

00:55:35.900 --> 00:55:36.440
 how do I

00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:36.940
 have a healthy

00:55:36.940 --> 00:55:37.639
 skepticism?

00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:39.159
 Very easily.

00:55:40.900 --> 00:55:41.980
 By being a

00:55:41.980 --> 00:55:42.299
 scientist.

00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:44.500
 If you,

00:55:44.619 --> 00:55:44.940
 if you,

00:55:45.219 --> 00:55:45.779
 I don't know

00:55:45.779 --> 00:55:46.099
 how many,

00:55:46.219 --> 00:55:46.480
 if there are

00:55:46.480 --> 00:55:46.920
 any scientists

00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:47.480
 in the crowd

00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:47.759
 here,

00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:49.840
 but once you

00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:50.159
 get into

00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:50.619
 science,

00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:52.139
 you start to

00:55:52.139 --> 00:55:52.340
 see,

00:55:52.599 --> 00:55:52.639
 like,

00:55:52.699 --> 00:55:52.840
 oh,

00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:53.099
 wow,

00:55:53.599 --> 00:55:53.880
 okay,

00:55:54.179 --> 00:55:54.619
 so people are

00:55:54.619 --> 00:55:55.880
 wrong a lot,

00:55:56.139 --> 00:55:57.619
 all the time.

00:55:57.619 --> 00:55:58.299
 And people

00:55:58.299 --> 00:55:58.599
 are,

00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.259
 are not,

00:56:00.980 --> 00:56:01.139
 you know,

00:56:01.179 --> 00:56:01.739
 we try to

00:56:01.739 --> 00:56:02.519
 imagine science

00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:02.940
 as sort of

00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:03.799
 this ivory

00:56:03.799 --> 00:56:05.099
 tower sort

00:56:05.099 --> 00:56:05.440
 of deal

00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:05.739
 where,

00:56:05.900 --> 00:56:06.079
 you know,

00:56:06.099 --> 00:56:06.339
 you have

00:56:06.339 --> 00:56:06.679
 old,

00:56:06.799 --> 00:56:07.480
 wizened men

00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:08.519
 discussing

00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:08.960
 with each

00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:09.900
 other in

00:56:09.900 --> 00:56:10.420
 clear,

00:56:10.679 --> 00:56:11.059
 you know,

00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:12.000
 calming tones,

00:56:12.099 --> 00:56:12.359
 but in

00:56:12.359 --> 00:56:12.799
 reality,

00:56:12.940 --> 00:56:13.079
 you know,

00:56:13.139 --> 00:56:14.319
 human beings

00:56:14.319 --> 00:56:14.719
 are the same

00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:15.079
 everywhere,

00:56:15.759 --> 00:56:16.059
 right?

00:56:16.259 --> 00:56:17.000
 So you may

00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:17.639
 have a,

00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:19.000
 a advanced

00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:19.699
 degree in

00:56:19.699 --> 00:56:20.259
 some sort

00:56:20.259 --> 00:56:20.519
 of,

00:56:20.659 --> 00:56:21.079
 in some

00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:21.639
 scientific

00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:22.079
 endeavor,

00:56:22.759 --> 00:56:23.159
 but you're

00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:23.480
 going to have

00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:24.099
 your own

00:56:24.099 --> 00:56:25.079
 predispositions,

00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:25.400
 your own

00:56:25.400 --> 00:56:25.819
 biases,

00:56:25.820 --> 00:56:27.220
 your own

00:56:27.220 --> 00:56:28.480
 reasons for

00:56:28.480 --> 00:56:29.120
 wanting this

00:56:29.120 --> 00:56:29.620
 specific

00:56:29.620 --> 00:56:30.160
 interpretation

00:56:30.160 --> 00:56:30.559
 of data

00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:31.160
 to be true,

00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:32.120
 right?

00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:32.800
 I don't,

00:56:32.900 --> 00:56:33.559
 I can't tell

00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:33.840
 how many

00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:35.140
 times I've,

00:56:35.180 --> 00:56:37.100
 I've listened

00:56:37.100 --> 00:56:37.700
 to a talk

00:56:37.700 --> 00:56:38.260
 from somebody

00:56:38.260 --> 00:56:39.559
 who is

00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:40.360
 arguing for

00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:40.780
 some sort

00:56:40.780 --> 00:56:41.400
 of interpretation

00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.220
 of the

00:56:42.220 --> 00:56:42.740
 evidence,

00:56:43.559 --> 00:56:44.480
 and is

00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.539
 primarily weighing

00:56:46.539 --> 00:56:47.340
 whether it's

00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:47.820
 true or not

00:56:47.820 --> 00:56:48.519
 on whether he

00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:49.059
 discovered it

00:56:49.059 --> 00:56:49.400
 or not,

00:56:49.660 --> 00:56:50.880
 right?

00:56:51.539 --> 00:56:51.900
 So,

00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:54.000
 and next

00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:54.300
 week,

00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:54.900
 I'm going

00:56:54.900 --> 00:56:55.200
 to start

00:56:55.200 --> 00:56:55.800
 off similarly

00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:56.820
 to how I

00:56:56.820 --> 00:56:57.200
 started off

00:56:57.200 --> 00:56:57.740
 today about

00:56:57.740 --> 00:56:58.200
 understanding

00:56:58.200 --> 00:56:58.840
 hermeneutics

00:56:58.840 --> 00:56:59.140
 and what

00:56:59.140 --> 00:56:59.860
 are we

00:56:59.860 --> 00:57:00.559
 looking for,

00:57:00.940 --> 00:57:01.200
 right?

00:57:01.860 --> 00:57:03.019
 There is a

00:57:03.019 --> 00:57:03.940
 meaning to

00:57:03.940 --> 00:57:06.300
 scripture as

00:57:06.300 --> 00:57:06.820
 Christians that

00:57:06.820 --> 00:57:07.320
 we believe is

00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:08.280
 100% true.

00:57:08.860 --> 00:57:10.500
 Our job is

00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:11.780
 to align our

00:57:11.780 --> 00:57:12.599
 understanding of

00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:13.400
 scripture to

00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:14.039
 that meaning,

00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:14.700
 right?

00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:16.400
 And that is our

00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:17.300
 goal as Christians

00:57:17.300 --> 00:57:18.079
 in the same way

00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:18.700
 in the sciences,

00:57:18.699 --> 00:57:19.759
 okay?

00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:21.299
 A lot of,

00:57:21.379 --> 00:57:21.919
 and this is

00:57:21.919 --> 00:57:22.460
 causing a lot

00:57:22.460 --> 00:57:22.899
 of confusion

00:57:22.899 --> 00:57:25.460
 for non-scientists,

00:57:26.259 --> 00:57:27.599
 and I don't

00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:28.379
 think it's

00:57:28.379 --> 00:57:29.000
 because of

00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:30.359
 their ignorance,

00:57:30.460 --> 00:57:30.779
 I think it's

00:57:30.779 --> 00:57:31.319
 because a lot

00:57:31.319 --> 00:57:31.779
 of scientists

00:57:31.779 --> 00:57:33.460
 are bad

00:57:33.460 --> 00:57:34.079
 communicators

00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:35.579
 or want to

00:57:35.579 --> 00:57:36.219
 inflate their

00:57:36.219 --> 00:57:38.299
 own sense of

00:57:38.299 --> 00:57:38.619
 value,

00:57:38.799 --> 00:57:41.059
 but I digress

00:57:41.059 --> 00:57:41.739
 in the sense

00:57:41.739 --> 00:57:43.480
 that there is

00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:44.739
 a reasonable

00:57:44.739 --> 00:57:45.359
 way that we

00:57:45.359 --> 00:57:45.859
 can look at

00:57:45.859 --> 00:57:46.399
 the evidence

00:57:46.399 --> 00:57:47.919
 and withhold

00:57:47.919 --> 00:57:48.480
 judgment

00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:49.760
 about

00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:50.699
 necessarily

00:57:50.699 --> 00:57:51.219
 what the

00:57:51.219 --> 00:57:51.960
 interpretation

00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:52.539
 of that

00:57:52.539 --> 00:57:53.219
 evidence is,

00:57:53.420 --> 00:57:53.860
 right?

00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:55.360
 It's not like

00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:55.800
 science is

00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:56.139
 different than

00:57:56.139 --> 00:57:56.920
 other fields

00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:58.159
 in which the

00:57:58.159 --> 00:57:59.780
 correct answer

00:57:59.780 --> 00:58:00.980
 just presents

00:58:00.980 --> 00:58:01.539
 itself,

00:58:02.059 --> 00:58:02.199
 you know,

00:58:02.240 --> 00:58:02.579
 you're looking

00:58:02.579 --> 00:58:03.159
 in a microscope

00:58:03.159 --> 00:58:03.699
 and it says,

00:58:03.820 --> 00:58:04.199
 this is the

00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:04.599
 right way to

00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:05.240
 understand this,

00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:05.599
 right?

00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:06.059
 It doesn't

00:58:06.059 --> 00:58:06.519
 happen that

00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:06.719
 way.

00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:07.740
 We see

00:58:07.740 --> 00:58:08.199
 evidence,

00:58:08.780 --> 00:58:09.380
 we collect

00:58:09.380 --> 00:58:10.460
 evidence using

00:58:10.460 --> 00:58:11.480
 specific devices

00:58:11.480 --> 00:58:12.500
 that are meant

00:58:12.500 --> 00:58:13.000
 to collect

00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:13.800
 specific kinds

00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:14.300
 of evidence,

00:58:14.900 --> 00:58:15.699
 and then using

00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:16.059
 that,

00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:17.419
 trying to

00:58:17.419 --> 00:58:19.460
 pool it,

00:58:19.879 --> 00:58:20.199
 we get

00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:21.799
 what we

00:58:21.799 --> 00:58:22.339
 think is an

00:58:22.339 --> 00:58:22.679
 interpretation

00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:23.179
 that makes

00:58:23.179 --> 00:58:23.480
 sense of

00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:23.759
 everything.

00:58:24.339 --> 00:58:24.799
 That's the

00:58:24.799 --> 00:58:25.079
 idea.

00:58:26.659 --> 00:58:27.319
 And yes,

00:58:27.359 --> 00:58:27.739
 you're right,

00:58:27.839 --> 00:58:28.339
 over the history

00:58:28.339 --> 00:58:28.859
 of science,

00:58:29.419 --> 00:58:30.019
 there have

00:58:30.019 --> 00:58:31.339
 been wild,

00:58:32.619 --> 00:58:33.579
 wildly wrong

00:58:33.579 --> 00:58:34.419
 interpretations of

00:58:34.419 --> 00:58:34.859
 the evidence,

00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:37.460
 but what I

00:58:37.460 --> 00:58:38.539
 will say is

00:58:38.539 --> 00:58:39.039
 there has

00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:39.799
 rarely ever

00:58:39.799 --> 00:58:40.079
 been a

00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:40.919
 situation in

00:58:40.919 --> 00:58:41.480
 which the

00:58:41.480 --> 00:58:41.980
 evidence

00:58:41.980 --> 00:58:43.900
 itself has

00:58:43.900 --> 00:58:44.300
 been wrong.

00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:45.480
 Okay?

00:58:45.940 --> 00:58:46.840
 So that's the

00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:47.380
 distinction I want

00:58:47.380 --> 00:58:47.699
 to make.

00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:48.860
 Interpretation

00:58:48.860 --> 00:58:50.340
 versus evidence.

00:58:51.019 --> 00:58:51.199
 Right?

00:58:51.659 --> 00:58:51.900
 Okay.

00:58:57.079 --> 00:58:57.900
 I just want

00:58:57.900 --> 00:58:58.340
 to point out

00:58:58.340 --> 00:58:59.719
 that the same

00:58:59.719 --> 00:59:00.320
 question could be

00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.260
 asked of the

00:59:02.260 --> 00:59:02.539
 Bible.

00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:04.440
 Our

00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:05.119
 interpretations

00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:05.920
 of the Bible

00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:06.539
 have,

00:59:08.400 --> 00:59:08.920
 you know,

00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:09.360
 to put it

00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:09.760
 politely,

00:59:09.980 --> 00:59:10.159
 say,

00:59:10.300 --> 00:59:11.440
 matured over

00:59:11.440 --> 00:59:12.059
 the years.

00:59:14.019 --> 00:59:14.200
 You know,

00:59:14.260 --> 00:59:14.659
 so I,

00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:15.059
 you know,

00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:15.940
 I grew up

00:59:15.940 --> 00:59:17.400
 in,

00:59:17.619 --> 00:59:18.780
 you know,

00:59:19.340 --> 00:59:20.400
 the creation,

00:59:21.240 --> 00:59:21.720
 you know,

00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:22.559
 seven-day.

00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:23.039
 Right,

00:59:23.139 --> 00:59:23.260
 yeah.

00:59:23.380 --> 00:59:23.619
 Right,

00:59:23.679 --> 00:59:24.280
 and then as

00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:25.200
 I've matured

00:59:25.200 --> 00:59:25.500
 and,

00:59:25.700 --> 00:59:26.639
 you know,

00:59:26.659 --> 00:59:27.300
 heard the

00:59:27.300 --> 00:59:28.119
 different evidence,

00:59:28.539 --> 00:59:29.139
 largely because

00:59:29.139 --> 00:59:29.820
 I've been parts

00:59:29.820 --> 00:59:30.200
 of,

00:59:30.240 --> 00:59:30.539
 you know,

00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:30.940
 different,

00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:31.700
 you know,

00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:33.280
 faith communities.

00:59:33.440 --> 00:59:33.659
 Right.

00:59:35.099 --> 00:59:36.059
 Been able to

00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:36.340
 go,

00:59:36.539 --> 00:59:36.800
 well,

00:59:36.980 --> 00:59:37.480
 you know,

00:59:38.019 --> 00:59:38.980
 it's plausible,

00:59:39.460 --> 00:59:40.460
 you know,

00:59:40.460 --> 00:59:42.079
 and see

00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:43.340
 merit for

00:59:43.340 --> 00:59:44.800
 all the

00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:45.159
 views.

00:59:45.579 --> 00:59:45.720
 Yeah.

00:59:46.980 --> 00:59:47.380
 Yeah,

00:59:47.500 --> 00:59:48.079
 I think it's,

00:59:48.079 --> 00:59:48.320
 sorry,

00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:48.619
 go ahead.

00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:48.940
 Yeah,

00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:49.579
 so I'm just

00:59:49.579 --> 00:59:49.780
 saying,

00:59:49.900 --> 00:59:50.039
 like,

00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:50.260
 you know,

00:59:50.340 --> 00:59:51.099
 you can ask,

00:59:51.220 --> 00:59:51.500
 you know,

00:59:52.099 --> 00:59:54.019
 somebody who

00:59:54.019 --> 00:59:54.480
 was,

00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:54.740
 like,

00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:55.500
 all on the

00:59:55.500 --> 00:59:56.240
 science end

00:59:56.240 --> 00:59:56.559
 of things

00:59:56.559 --> 00:59:56.960
 could ask

00:59:56.960 --> 00:59:57.380
 a Christian

00:59:57.380 --> 00:59:57.900
 the same

00:59:57.900 --> 00:59:58.760
 question,

00:59:59.260 --> 01:00:00.440
 is my main

01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:00.760
 point,

01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:01.900
 is that on

01:00:01.900 --> 01:00:02.539
 both sides

01:00:02.539 --> 01:00:03.440
 of the aisle

01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:04.460
 on this

01:00:04.460 --> 01:00:04.920
 issue,

01:00:05.380 --> 01:00:06.619
 we need to

01:00:06.619 --> 01:00:07.159
 be open

01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:08.899
 to maybe

01:00:08.899 --> 01:00:09.399
 we're wrong.

01:00:09.940 --> 01:00:10.159
 Yeah,

01:00:10.379 --> 01:00:10.799
 and I think

01:00:10.799 --> 01:00:11.659
 that's a good

01:00:11.659 --> 01:00:11.980
 point.

01:00:12.659 --> 01:00:13.199
 What I was

01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:13.799
 trying to get

01:00:13.799 --> 01:00:14.719
 across in the

01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:15.460
 beginning of

01:00:15.460 --> 01:00:16.639
 this class

01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:17.119
 is the

01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:17.480
 difference

01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:18.879
 between the

01:00:18.879 --> 01:00:19.319
 biblical

01:00:19.319 --> 01:00:20.099
 information that

01:00:20.099 --> 01:00:20.539
 we have,

01:00:20.579 --> 01:00:21.019
 that we all

01:00:21.019 --> 01:00:21.440
 share,

01:00:22.059 --> 01:00:22.920
 and our

01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:23.239
 different

01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:23.839
 interpretations

01:00:23.839 --> 01:00:24.559
 of the text,

01:00:24.659 --> 01:00:25.039
 how we

01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:25.799
 understand them.

01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:26.299
 Right?

01:00:26.339 --> 01:00:26.679
 There is a

01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:26.940
 difference.

01:00:27.359 --> 01:00:27.500
 Now,

01:00:27.539 --> 01:00:28.159
 I will say

01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:29.299
 that scripture

01:00:29.299 --> 01:00:29.839
 does have a

01:00:29.839 --> 01:00:30.559
 leg up on

01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:31.099
 science,

01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:32.500
 because scripture

01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:34.139
 is verbal

01:00:34.139 --> 01:00:34.839
 communication,

01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:36.600
 and verbal

01:00:36.600 --> 01:00:37.280
 communication

01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:38.220
 is,

01:00:38.700 --> 01:00:39.680
 I would

01:00:39.680 --> 01:00:40.200
 say,

01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:43.820
 lends itself

01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:44.440
 to

01:00:44.440 --> 01:00:46.660
 perspicuity.

01:00:47.740 --> 01:00:48.300
 Am I saying

01:00:48.300 --> 01:00:48.579
 that right?

01:00:49.620 --> 01:00:50.140
 Yes.

01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:51.039
 So I can't

01:00:51.039 --> 01:00:51.500
 even say it,

01:00:51.579 --> 01:00:52.019
 I'll explain

01:00:52.019 --> 01:00:52.500
 what it means.

01:00:53.460 --> 01:00:53.940
 Basically,

01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:54.900
 it lends

01:00:54.900 --> 01:00:55.559
 itself to

01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:56.620
 understanding,

01:00:56.800 --> 01:00:57.220
 ease of

01:00:57.220 --> 01:00:57.720
 understanding.

01:00:58.340 --> 01:00:58.440
 Right?

01:00:58.539 --> 01:00:59.059
 It's easier,

01:00:59.240 --> 01:00:59.579
 so I mean,

01:00:59.620 --> 01:01:00.300
 we all experience

01:01:00.300 --> 01:01:00.579
 this,

01:01:00.640 --> 01:01:00.820
 right?

01:01:01.140 --> 01:01:01.620
 It's easier

01:01:01.620 --> 01:01:02.100
 for us to be

01:01:02.100 --> 01:01:03.019
 taught something

01:01:03.019 --> 01:01:04.760
 than for us

01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:05.620
 to go out

01:01:05.620 --> 01:01:07.020
 and learn

01:01:07.020 --> 01:01:07.300
 it for

01:01:07.300 --> 01:01:07.720
 ourselves.

01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:08.300
 That's the

01:01:08.300 --> 01:01:08.620
 whole reason

01:01:08.620 --> 01:01:08.920
 we have

01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:09.240
 teachers,

01:01:09.600 --> 01:01:09.820
 right?

01:01:10.100 --> 01:01:10.640
 And so if

01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:10.940
 we think

01:01:10.940 --> 01:01:11.180
 of the

01:01:11.180 --> 01:01:11.700
 Bible as

01:01:11.700 --> 01:01:12.120
 a teacher,

01:01:13.200 --> 01:01:15.760
 then just

01:01:15.760 --> 01:01:16.200
 in the sense

01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:16.640
 that it is

01:01:16.640 --> 01:01:16.920
 verbal

01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:17.540
 communication,

01:01:17.700 --> 01:01:18.200
 it has a

01:01:18.200 --> 01:01:18.700
 leg up in

01:01:18.700 --> 01:01:19.340
 terms of

01:01:19.340 --> 01:01:20.060
 ease of

01:01:20.060 --> 01:01:20.580
 understanding,

01:01:21.080 --> 01:01:21.380
 right?

01:01:21.940 --> 01:01:22.580
 But you're

01:01:22.580 --> 01:01:23.280
 right in

01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:23.600
 the sense

01:01:23.600 --> 01:01:26.720
 that we

01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:27.440
 as the

01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:28.100
 audience still

01:01:28.100 --> 01:01:28.760
 have a job

01:01:28.760 --> 01:01:29.380
 of interpreting,

01:01:30.080 --> 01:01:30.400
 right?

01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:31.460
 As is true

01:01:31.460 --> 01:01:31.900
 in any kind

01:01:31.900 --> 01:01:32.480
 of communication.

01:01:33.140 --> 01:01:33.620
 I would say

01:01:33.620 --> 01:01:34.580
 science has

01:01:34.579 --> 01:01:36.079
 one leg

01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:37.440
 away in

01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:37.860
 terms of

01:01:37.860 --> 01:01:39.519
 the effort

01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:40.179
 that's required

01:01:40.179 --> 01:01:40.779
 to understand

01:01:40.779 --> 01:01:41.199
 what's going

01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:41.659
 on.

01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:43.579
 But no

01:01:43.579 --> 01:01:44.039
 matter how

01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:44.400
 it is,

01:01:44.659 --> 01:01:45.440
 you're never

01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:45.900
 going to have

01:01:45.900 --> 01:01:46.519
 the correct

01:01:46.519 --> 01:01:48.380
 understanding

01:01:48.380 --> 01:01:48.840
 of something

01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:49.599
 just plopped

01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:50.039
 into your

01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:50.340
 head,

01:01:50.819 --> 01:01:51.139
 right?

01:01:51.319 --> 01:01:51.960
 Outside of

01:01:51.960 --> 01:01:52.179
 the work

01:01:52.179 --> 01:01:52.360
 of the

01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:52.799
 Holy Spirit,

01:01:53.299 --> 01:01:53.579
 right?

01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:54.460
 And that's

01:01:54.460 --> 01:01:55.299
 part of what

01:01:55.299 --> 01:01:55.860
 we believe

01:01:55.860 --> 01:01:56.920
 as Reformed

01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:57.299
 Christians

01:01:57.299 --> 01:01:57.860
 is that

01:01:57.860 --> 01:01:58.619
 the

01:01:58.619 --> 01:02:00.219
 perspicuity

01:02:00.219 --> 01:02:02.579
 of Scripture

01:02:02.579 --> 01:02:05.139
 is a

01:02:05.139 --> 01:02:05.659
 result of

01:02:05.659 --> 01:02:05.939
 the Holy

01:02:05.939 --> 01:02:06.199
 Spirit

01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:06.759
 working in

01:02:06.759 --> 01:02:07.199
 our hearts

01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:07.739
 to understand

01:02:07.739 --> 01:02:08.159
 what's going

01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:08.579
 on.

01:02:09.059 --> 01:02:09.459
 And that

01:02:09.459 --> 01:02:09.980
 generally

01:02:09.980 --> 01:02:10.619
 applies to

01:02:10.619 --> 01:02:11.239
 the big

01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:12.079
 major themes

01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:12.819
 of the

01:02:12.819 --> 01:02:13.139
 Bible,

01:02:13.299 --> 01:02:13.639
 redemption,

01:02:13.980 --> 01:02:14.279
 the nature

01:02:14.279 --> 01:02:14.699
 of Jesus,

01:02:14.879 --> 01:02:15.099
 etc.

01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:16.739
 That's not

01:02:16.739 --> 01:02:17.059
 to say

01:02:17.059 --> 01:02:18.379
 that you're

01:02:18.379 --> 01:02:19.279
 not a

01:02:19.279 --> 01:02:19.559
 holy

01:02:19.559 --> 01:02:20.419
 Christian

01:02:20.419 --> 01:02:21.099
 if you have

01:02:21.099 --> 01:02:21.439
 difficulty

01:02:21.439 --> 01:02:21.879
 understanding

01:02:21.879 --> 01:02:22.319
 passages.

01:02:22.439 --> 01:02:22.719
 Everybody

01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:23.179
 does,

01:02:23.419 --> 01:02:23.739
 right?

01:02:23.939 --> 01:02:24.379
 There are

01:02:24.379 --> 01:02:25.079
 passages that

01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:25.480
 are difficult

01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:26.019
 for anybody

01:02:26.019 --> 01:02:26.199
 to

01:02:26.199 --> 01:02:26.519
 understand

01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:26.920
 no matter

01:02:26.920 --> 01:02:27.759
 where you

01:02:27.759 --> 01:02:28.340
 are on

01:02:28.340 --> 01:02:28.840
 the creation

01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.480
 spectrum,

01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:32.460
 right?

01:02:33.219 --> 01:02:33.880
 But yeah,

01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:34.199
 that's something

01:02:34.199 --> 01:02:34.480
 we have to

01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:34.840
 be aware

01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:35.079
 of.

01:02:35.179 --> 01:02:35.539
 I think

01:02:35.539 --> 01:02:36.940
 especially

01:02:36.940 --> 01:02:38.380
 in some

01:02:38.380 --> 01:02:39.159
 circles in

01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:39.699
 the church,

01:02:40.579 --> 01:02:41.420
 there is

01:02:41.420 --> 01:02:42.199
 an over

01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:43.340
 reliance

01:02:43.340 --> 01:02:44.000
 or an

01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:44.360
 over

01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:45.659
 estimation

01:02:45.659 --> 01:02:46.360
 of the

01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:46.800
 clearness

01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:48.599
 of Scripture,

01:02:49.179 --> 01:02:49.460
 right?

01:02:49.699 --> 01:02:50.019
 And that's

01:02:50.019 --> 01:02:50.300
 something we

01:02:50.300 --> 01:02:50.639
 have to guard

01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:51.019
 against.

01:02:51.019 --> 01:02:56.300
 Where would

01:02:56.300 --> 01:02:57.039
 you put

01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:58.920
 a non-overlapping

01:02:58.920 --> 01:02:59.739
 magisteria

01:02:59.739 --> 01:03:00.619
 sort of

01:03:00.619 --> 01:03:01.039
 view

01:03:01.039 --> 01:03:02.340
 on your

01:03:02.340 --> 01:03:02.679
 little

01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:02.820
 spectrum?

01:03:02.820 --> 01:03:03.179
 So that

01:03:03.179 --> 01:03:03.599
 would be,

01:03:03.980 --> 01:03:04.280
 I would

01:03:04.280 --> 01:03:04.599
 say,

01:03:04.820 --> 01:03:05.179
 that would

01:03:05.179 --> 01:03:05.800
 probably

01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:07.119
 fit best

01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:08.079
 in the

01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:09.219
 religion-only

01:03:09.219 --> 01:03:10.280
 interpretations

01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:10.759
 of the

01:03:10.759 --> 01:03:11.000
 Bible.

01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:11.699
 Basically

01:03:11.699 --> 01:03:12.739
 saying that

01:03:12.739 --> 01:03:15.460
 the Bible

01:03:15.460 --> 01:03:17.039
 and science

01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:18.119
 are

01:03:18.119 --> 01:03:19.239
 completely

01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:19.880
 different

01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:20.759
 epistemic

01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:23.760
 endeavors,

01:03:24.380 --> 01:03:24.500
 right?

01:03:24.600 --> 01:03:25.000
 Totally

01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:25.480
 different ways

01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:26.040
 of knowing,

01:03:26.460 --> 01:03:26.760
 and therefore

01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:27.280
 because they're

01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:27.840
 totally different

01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:28.420
 ways of knowing,

01:03:28.520 --> 01:03:28.900
 they never

01:03:28.900 --> 01:03:29.420
 overlap,

01:03:30.080 --> 01:03:30.340
 right?

01:03:30.560 --> 01:03:31.240
 There is no

01:03:31.240 --> 01:03:32.760
 possible way

01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:34.140
 that Scripture

01:03:34.140 --> 01:03:35.220
 could ever be

01:03:35.220 --> 01:03:35.800
 contradicted by

01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:36.180
 science,

01:03:36.260 --> 01:03:36.640
 and vice

01:03:36.640 --> 01:03:36.880
 versa,

01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:37.760
 right?

01:03:37.820 --> 01:03:38.060
 They're

01:03:38.060 --> 01:03:38.380
 completely

01:03:38.380 --> 01:03:38.760
 separate.

01:03:39.640 --> 01:03:40.460
 I think

01:03:40.460 --> 01:03:40.880
 that that

01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:42.500
 is not a

01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:42.920
 high enough

01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:43.420
 view of

01:03:43.420 --> 01:03:43.640
 Scripture,

01:03:43.980 --> 01:03:44.400
 and I think

01:03:44.400 --> 01:03:44.900
 the reason

01:03:44.900 --> 01:03:45.360
 for that

01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:46.460
 is because

01:03:46.460 --> 01:03:46.920
 Scripture

01:03:46.920 --> 01:03:47.660
 itself

01:03:47.660 --> 01:03:48.300
 puts forward

01:03:48.300 --> 01:03:48.800
 itself as

01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:49.100
 history.

01:03:49.099 --> 01:03:50.559
 So by

01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:52.719
 using the

01:03:52.719 --> 01:03:53.920
 non-overlapping

01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:54.679
 magisteria,

01:03:55.860 --> 01:03:56.559
 you wouldn't

01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:57.059
 be able to

01:03:57.059 --> 01:03:59.360
 say that,

01:03:59.599 --> 01:03:59.619
 oh,

01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:01.039
 Jesus really

01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:01.839
 existed in

01:04:01.839 --> 01:04:02.480
 real life,

01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:03.159
 in history,

01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:03.860
 right?

01:04:03.920 --> 01:04:04.639
 Because the

01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:05.360
 study of

01:04:05.360 --> 01:04:05.860
 history is

01:04:05.860 --> 01:04:06.159
 its own

01:04:06.159 --> 01:04:06.739
 little thing,

01:04:07.019 --> 01:04:07.279
 and we

01:04:07.279 --> 01:04:07.599
 can't really

01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:08.119
 use the

01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:08.400
 study of

01:04:08.400 --> 01:04:08.860
 history to

01:04:08.860 --> 01:04:09.599
 apply itself

01:04:09.599 --> 01:04:09.980
 to Scripture.

01:04:10.360 --> 01:04:10.699
 And maybe

01:04:10.699 --> 01:04:10.980
 they would

01:04:10.980 --> 01:04:11.139
 say,

01:04:11.219 --> 01:04:11.380
 no,

01:04:11.460 --> 01:04:11.940
 history is

01:04:11.940 --> 01:04:12.299
 just as

01:04:12.299 --> 01:04:12.599
 bad as

01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:12.819
 Scripture

01:04:12.819 --> 01:04:14.199
 in terms of

01:04:14.199 --> 01:04:14.639
 understanding,

01:04:14.779 --> 01:04:14.980
 and we're

01:04:14.980 --> 01:04:15.480
 talking about

01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:16.019
 hard science

01:04:16.019 --> 01:04:16.239
 here,

01:04:16.339 --> 01:04:16.539
 right?

01:04:16.539 --> 01:04:17.559
 But I

01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:18.099
 think that

01:04:18.099 --> 01:04:19.659
 that is

01:04:19.659 --> 01:04:20.139
 the problem.

01:04:20.699 --> 01:04:21.400
 Where do

01:04:21.400 --> 01:04:22.400
 you place

01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:22.860
 history?

01:04:23.420 --> 01:04:23.920
 Because

01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:25.159
 Scripture is

01:04:25.159 --> 01:04:28.000
 undeniably

01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:28.880
 history,

01:04:29.179 --> 01:04:30.440
 in some

01:04:30.440 --> 01:04:30.960
 places at

01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:31.259
 least,

01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:31.639
 right?

01:04:32.259 --> 01:04:32.539
 You know,

01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:32.860
 there's

01:04:32.860 --> 01:04:33.320
 discussion

01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:33.579
 whether

01:04:33.579 --> 01:04:34.179
 Job is

01:04:34.179 --> 01:04:35.539
 a real

01:04:35.539 --> 01:04:36.159
 person that

01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:36.440
 lived in

01:04:36.440 --> 01:04:36.639
 the real

01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:36.860
 world,

01:04:36.940 --> 01:04:37.059
 or is

01:04:37.059 --> 01:04:37.340
 it a

01:04:37.340 --> 01:04:37.639
 poem

01:04:37.639 --> 01:04:38.340
 describing

01:04:38.340 --> 01:04:39.099
 whatever,

01:04:39.360 --> 01:04:39.579
 right?

01:04:39.779 --> 01:04:40.519
 So there

01:04:40.519 --> 01:04:40.980
 are places

01:04:40.980 --> 01:04:41.460
 in Scripture

01:04:41.460 --> 01:04:41.900
 where we

01:04:41.900 --> 01:04:42.239
 argue,

01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:42.480
 like,

01:04:42.539 --> 01:04:42.599
 oh,

01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:42.880
 is this

01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:43.420
 meant to

01:04:43.420 --> 01:04:43.519
 be

01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:43.780
 history,

01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:44.039
 or is

01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:44.139
 this

01:04:44.139 --> 01:04:44.420
 meant to

01:04:44.420 --> 01:04:45.380
 be

01:04:45.380 --> 01:04:46.460
 a

01:04:46.460 --> 01:04:47.679
 parable?

01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:48.739
 But there

01:04:48.739 --> 01:04:49.119
 are parts

01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:49.400
 that are

01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:49.960
 definitely

01:04:49.960 --> 01:04:50.420
 history,

01:04:50.780 --> 01:04:51.199
 or meant

01:04:51.199 --> 01:04:51.420
 to be

01:04:51.420 --> 01:04:51.719
 history.

01:04:52.460 --> 01:04:53.000
 And so

01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:53.659
 depending on

01:04:53.659 --> 01:04:53.920
 where you

01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:54.960
 put history

01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:55.420
 in your

01:04:55.420 --> 01:04:56.079
 magisteria,

01:04:56.219 --> 01:04:56.519
 that's going

01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:56.820
 to make

01:04:56.820 --> 01:04:57.840
 major problems

01:04:57.840 --> 01:04:58.639
 for Christians,

01:04:59.219 --> 01:04:59.500
 right?

01:05:00.619 --> 01:05:01.519
 And usually

01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:02.539
 I've found

01:05:02.539 --> 01:05:06.320
 that the

01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:07.199
 non-overlapping

01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:08.400
 magisterium is

01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:09.400
 put forward

01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:10.139
 by scientists

01:05:10.139 --> 01:05:10.639
 generally,

01:05:10.780 --> 01:05:11.079
 who just

01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:11.400
 don't want

01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:11.719
 to deal

01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:13.219
 with

01:05:13.219 --> 01:05:13.619
 Christians.

01:05:14.339 --> 01:05:14.799
 That's been

01:05:14.799 --> 01:05:15.199
 my thought,

01:05:15.279 --> 01:05:15.599
 like,

01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:15.899
 oh,

01:05:15.980 --> 01:05:16.199
 yeah,

01:05:16.579 --> 01:05:17.179
 but really

01:05:17.179 --> 01:05:17.539
 they're just

01:05:17.539 --> 01:05:18.099
 totally separate,

01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:18.939
 so we don't

01:05:18.939 --> 01:05:19.500
 have to argue

01:05:19.500 --> 01:05:19.879
 about it.

01:05:19.959 --> 01:05:20.199
 It's like,

01:05:20.259 --> 01:05:20.439
 okay,

01:05:20.519 --> 01:05:20.719
 well,

01:05:21.339 --> 01:05:22.559
 I don't

01:05:22.559 --> 01:05:22.799
 think that

01:05:22.799 --> 01:05:23.539
 does Scripture

01:05:23.539 --> 01:05:23.899
 justice.

01:05:27.299 --> 01:05:27.659
 Hey,

01:05:27.699 --> 01:05:27.819
 Luke,

01:05:27.879 --> 01:05:28.219
 thanks so

01:05:28.219 --> 01:05:28.439
 much.

01:05:28.799 --> 01:05:29.459
 I had a

01:05:29.459 --> 01:05:29.939
 question about

01:05:29.939 --> 01:05:30.459
 your further

01:05:30.459 --> 01:05:31.899
 reading section

01:05:31.899 --> 01:05:32.599
 in your handout,

01:05:33.139 --> 01:05:34.639
 and I've only,

01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:35.259
 I mean,

01:05:35.299 --> 01:05:35.779
 some of these

01:05:35.779 --> 01:05:36.379
 authors I've

01:05:36.379 --> 01:05:36.859
 read a little

01:05:36.859 --> 01:05:37.439
 bit from,

01:05:37.579 --> 01:05:37.879
 I don't know

01:05:37.879 --> 01:05:38.419
 if I've read,

01:05:38.699 --> 01:05:39.119
 I think I've

01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:39.500
 read one or

01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:39.980
 two of the

01:05:39.980 --> 01:05:40.739
 resources,

01:05:40.739 --> 01:05:41.759
 but something

01:05:41.759 --> 01:05:42.719
 that struck

01:05:42.719 --> 01:05:42.899
 me,

01:05:42.959 --> 01:05:43.339
 at least in

01:05:43.339 --> 01:05:44.019
 my not,

01:05:44.359 --> 01:05:44.619
 you know,

01:05:44.939 --> 01:05:45.519
 perhaps not

01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:46.019
 representative

01:05:46.019 --> 01:05:46.519
 sampling,

01:05:46.899 --> 01:05:48.079
 was that they

01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:49.039
 didn't seem

01:05:49.039 --> 01:05:51.599
 to do what

01:05:51.599 --> 01:05:52.599
 you're recommending

01:05:52.599 --> 01:05:53.059
 we do.

01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:53.339
 Like,

01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:54.659
 they didn't seem

01:05:54.659 --> 01:05:55.399
 like they were

01:05:55.399 --> 01:05:57.119
 really dealing

01:05:57.119 --> 01:05:57.759
 with the deeper

01:05:57.759 --> 01:05:58.219
 issues,

01:05:58.219 --> 01:05:58.859
 they were just

01:05:58.859 --> 01:05:59.719
 kind of stating

01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:00.419
 their view,

01:06:01.279 --> 01:06:02.219
 sometimes making

01:06:02.219 --> 01:06:02.679
 really good

01:06:02.679 --> 01:06:03.239
 observations,

01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:04.059
 but then I also

01:06:04.059 --> 01:06:04.759
 felt like there

01:06:04.759 --> 01:06:05.159
 were a lot of

01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:05.919
 weaknesses in

01:06:05.919 --> 01:06:06.439
 their views,

01:06:06.479 --> 01:06:07.139
 that they weren't

01:06:07.139 --> 01:06:07.819
 really attending

01:06:07.820 --> 01:06:10.039
 to or acknowledging.

01:06:11.420 --> 01:06:11.660
 Anyway,

01:06:11.700 --> 01:06:12.000
 I was wondering

01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:12.840
 if you could

01:06:12.840 --> 01:06:13.820
 give a little

01:06:13.820 --> 01:06:14.559
 overview of

01:06:14.559 --> 01:06:15.160
 these further

01:06:15.160 --> 01:06:16.080
 reading resources

01:06:16.080 --> 01:06:16.960
 or potential

01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:17.460
 ones that

01:06:17.460 --> 01:06:17.780
 might do,

01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:19.320
 maybe do what

01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:19.700
 you're doing,

01:06:19.740 --> 01:06:20.160
 or maybe none

01:06:20.160 --> 01:06:20.580
 of them do.

01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:21.100
 Yeah,

01:06:21.340 --> 01:06:21.539
 yeah,

01:06:21.640 --> 01:06:21.800
 no,

01:06:21.860 --> 01:06:22.220
 I'm not that

01:06:22.220 --> 01:06:22.440
 good.

01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:25.840
 I didn't print

01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:26.519
 out the further

01:06:26.519 --> 01:06:27.320
 reading for myself.

01:06:28.200 --> 01:06:28.640
 Somebody hand me

01:06:28.640 --> 01:06:28.980
 that to me?

01:06:29.640 --> 01:06:29.840
 Yeah.

01:06:30.460 --> 01:06:31.059
 Thank you.

01:06:31.380 --> 01:06:31.720
 Excellent.

01:06:31.940 --> 01:06:32.100
 Okay,

01:06:32.200 --> 01:06:32.900
 so closest thing

01:06:32.900 --> 01:06:33.460
 I would say on

01:06:33.460 --> 01:06:34.059
 the further reading

01:06:34.059 --> 01:06:35.200
 list for an

01:06:35.199 --> 01:06:37.079
 overview is the

01:06:37.079 --> 01:06:39.079
 John Lennox

01:06:39.079 --> 01:06:39.480
 book,

01:06:39.579 --> 01:06:40.119
 Seven Days

01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:40.539
 That Divide

01:06:40.539 --> 01:06:41.019
 the World.

01:06:41.339 --> 01:06:42.579
 This is John

01:06:42.579 --> 01:06:43.139
 C. Lennox,

01:06:43.279 --> 01:06:43.779
 he's a famous

01:06:43.779 --> 01:06:45.419
 Irish apologist

01:06:45.419 --> 01:06:47.980
 slash evangelist.

01:06:48.799 --> 01:06:49.379
 He's a really

01:06:49.379 --> 01:06:49.879
 smart guy.

01:06:49.980 --> 01:06:50.139
 Also,

01:06:50.199 --> 01:06:50.699
 he sounds really

01:06:50.699 --> 01:06:51.079
 cool when he

01:06:51.079 --> 01:06:51.579
 talks.

01:06:53.739 --> 01:06:53.919
 Yeah,

01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:54.559
 he's Oxford

01:06:54.559 --> 01:06:55.079
 trained.

01:06:55.599 --> 01:06:56.399
 He spoke here.

01:06:56.879 --> 01:06:57.599
 Did he really?

01:06:57.799 --> 01:06:58.899
 Of course,

01:06:59.000 --> 01:06:59.460
 I wasn't here.

01:07:00.439 --> 01:07:00.839
 Anyways,

01:07:01.500 --> 01:07:02.399
 so John C.

01:07:02.480 --> 01:07:02.799
 Lennox,

01:07:03.079 --> 01:07:03.679
 his Seven Days

01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:04.019
 That Divide

01:07:04.019 --> 01:07:04.239
 the World,

01:07:04.279 --> 01:07:04.839
 that's an overview

01:07:04.839 --> 01:07:05.179
 book.

01:07:05.259 --> 01:07:05.659
 He talks about

01:07:05.659 --> 01:07:06.000
 the different

01:07:06.000 --> 01:07:06.480
 views.

01:07:07.139 --> 01:07:07.879
 And I think

01:07:07.879 --> 01:07:09.199
 he does touch

01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:09.739
 a little bit

01:07:09.739 --> 01:07:10.059
 on the

01:07:10.059 --> 01:07:10.539
 philosophical

01:07:10.539 --> 01:07:11.159
 issues of

01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:12.019
 why we

01:07:12.019 --> 01:07:12.519
 would believe

01:07:12.519 --> 01:07:13.079
 one versus

01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:13.519
 the other.

01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:14.239
 Okay?

01:07:15.259 --> 01:07:17.139
 These different

01:07:17.139 --> 01:07:18.079
 resources I have

01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:18.579
 here are

01:07:18.579 --> 01:07:19.559
 specific arguments

01:07:19.559 --> 01:07:20.139
 for one

01:07:20.139 --> 01:07:21.139
 particular view.

01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:22.399
 And so,

01:07:22.559 --> 01:07:23.539
 like I was

01:07:23.539 --> 01:07:24.000
 talking about

01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:24.559
 earlier when

01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:24.859
 we're having

01:07:24.859 --> 01:07:25.439
 discussions with

01:07:25.439 --> 01:07:25.739
 Christians,

01:07:25.879 --> 01:07:26.559
 oftentimes we

01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:27.179
 have our own

01:07:27.179 --> 01:07:27.739
 view and we're

01:07:27.739 --> 01:07:28.480
 arguing for that

01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.019
 view with

01:07:30.019 --> 01:07:31.079
 these philosophical

01:07:31.079 --> 01:07:32.179
 issues not really

01:07:32.179 --> 01:07:32.619
 in view.

01:07:32.619 --> 01:07:32.679
 view.

01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:32.739
 view.

01:07:33.940 --> 01:07:34.539
 And so,

01:07:34.579 --> 01:07:34.799
 you're going to

01:07:34.799 --> 01:07:35.460
 find that

01:07:35.460 --> 01:07:38.919
 in these

01:07:38.919 --> 01:07:39.480
 different books.

01:07:39.559 --> 01:07:40.519
 I have found

01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:41.619
 myself that the

01:07:41.619 --> 01:07:42.460
 books by C.

01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:43.179
 John Collins,

01:07:43.619 --> 01:07:44.339
 who takes the

01:07:44.339 --> 01:07:45.379
 analogical day view,

01:07:46.099 --> 01:07:48.139
 he does interact

01:07:48.139 --> 01:07:49.099
 more with other

01:07:49.099 --> 01:07:51.480
 views and explain

01:07:51.480 --> 01:07:53.119
 why sometimes people

01:07:53.119 --> 01:07:53.639
 come to one

01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:54.239
 conclusion versus

01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:54.639
 the other.

01:07:54.639 --> 01:07:56.299
 But it's not the

01:07:56.299 --> 01:07:58.059
 primary part of

01:07:58.059 --> 01:07:58.379
 his book.

01:07:58.440 --> 01:07:59.019
 The primary part of

01:07:59.019 --> 01:07:59.619
 his book is,

01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:01.359
 this is why I'm

01:08:01.359 --> 01:08:01.659
 right.

01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:03.219
 Or this is the

01:08:03.219 --> 01:08:03.920
 correct way of

01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:04.659
 understanding it.

01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:06.579
 And I think

01:08:06.579 --> 01:08:07.099
 there's a place for

01:08:07.099 --> 01:08:07.279
 that.

01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:08.019
 I think,

01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:08.420
 obviously,

01:08:08.500 --> 01:08:09.059
 there has to be a

01:08:09.059 --> 01:08:09.519
 place for that.

01:08:09.699 --> 01:08:10.539
 We have to argue,

01:08:10.659 --> 01:08:11.259
 we have to come to

01:08:11.259 --> 01:08:11.900
 a conclusion and

01:08:11.900 --> 01:08:12.679
 argue for our view.

01:08:13.619 --> 01:08:14.539
 And that's true of

01:08:14.539 --> 01:08:15.259
 everything that I

01:08:15.259 --> 01:08:15.440
 think.

01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:16.779
 You should make up

01:08:16.779 --> 01:08:17.779
 your mind about

01:08:17.779 --> 01:08:18.800
 what you believe and

01:08:18.800 --> 01:08:19.699
 why you believe it.

01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:22.519
 So,

01:08:22.800 --> 01:08:23.819
 I don't want to

01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:24.619
 come across as

01:08:24.619 --> 01:08:25.380
 somebody who says

01:08:25.380 --> 01:08:25.619
 that,

01:08:25.680 --> 01:08:25.840
 you know,

01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:26.199
 really,

01:08:26.380 --> 01:08:27.159
 we're all right

01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:28.159
 and,

01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:28.800
 you know,

01:08:28.819 --> 01:08:29.300
 we should just

01:08:29.300 --> 01:08:29.599
 hug.

01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:31.800
 I think we all

01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:32.640
 have our own

01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:33.380
 views and we

01:08:33.380 --> 01:08:34.239
 have potentially

01:08:34.239 --> 01:08:35.019
 good reasons for

01:08:35.019 --> 01:08:35.779
 the way that we

01:08:35.779 --> 01:08:36.619
 think about things

01:08:36.619 --> 01:08:37.760
 and that the only

01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:38.279
 way we're going

01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:40.939
 to become,

01:08:41.220 --> 01:08:41.579
 you know,

01:08:41.599 --> 01:08:42.739
 better and more

01:08:42.739 --> 01:08:43.359
 mature Christians

01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:44.099
 is if we are

01:08:44.099 --> 01:08:44.699
 sharpening each

01:08:44.699 --> 01:08:45.640
 other iron style,

01:08:45.819 --> 01:08:46.099
 right?

01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:50.659
 But I can't

01:08:50.659 --> 01:08:51.220
 think of any

01:08:51.220 --> 01:08:52.260
 other big

01:08:52.260 --> 01:08:53.199
 overview books

01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:53.619
 other than

01:08:53.619 --> 01:08:54.380
 the seven days

01:08:54.380 --> 01:08:54.699
 that divide

01:08:54.699 --> 01:08:55.039
 the world.

01:08:55.239 --> 01:08:56.100
 My reading is

01:08:56.100 --> 01:08:56.720
 actually quite

01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:57.180
 limited.

01:08:58.840 --> 01:08:58.940
 No,

01:08:59.020 --> 01:08:59.119
 I mean,

01:08:59.180 --> 01:08:59.420
 I've read,

01:08:59.560 --> 01:08:59.760
 sorry,

01:08:59.940 --> 01:09:00.520
 I've read a lot

01:09:00.520 --> 01:09:01.859
 of books on

01:09:01.859 --> 01:09:02.400
 the different

01:09:02.400 --> 01:09:02.960
 views,

01:09:03.140 --> 01:09:03.800
 but I haven't

01:09:03.800 --> 01:09:04.600
 read that many

01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:05.180
 books about

01:09:05.180 --> 01:09:06.600
 the views about

01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:07.020
 the views.

01:09:07.460 --> 01:09:07.699
 Does that make

01:09:07.699 --> 01:09:07.920
 sense?

01:09:08.060 --> 01:09:08.220
 Yeah.

01:09:08.640 --> 01:09:09.119
 This is,

01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:09.699
 which is why I

01:09:09.699 --> 01:09:10.060
 thought it was

01:09:10.060 --> 01:09:10.859
 helpful to do

01:09:10.859 --> 01:09:11.400
 the class this

01:09:11.400 --> 01:09:11.640
 way,

01:09:11.819 --> 01:09:12.100
 right?

01:09:12.460 --> 01:09:13.100
 Because there's

01:09:13.100 --> 01:09:13.819
 so many resources

01:09:13.819 --> 01:09:14.659
 out there for

01:09:14.659 --> 01:09:16.960
 any particular

01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:17.260
 view,

01:09:17.579 --> 01:09:19.000
 but trying to

01:09:19.000 --> 01:09:19.619
 understand why

01:09:19.619 --> 01:09:20.140
 we come to the

01:09:20.140 --> 01:09:20.800
 conclusions we do

01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:21.020
 is,

01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:21.900
 yeah.

01:09:21.899 --> 01:09:22.899
 It sounds like

01:09:22.899 --> 01:09:23.439
 you have a job

01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:24.039
 to do then.

01:09:24.359 --> 01:09:24.960
 I think you've

01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:25.199
 got to write

01:09:25.199 --> 01:09:25.599
 this book.

01:09:26.059 --> 01:09:26.619
 I hope not.

01:09:28.579 --> 01:09:29.299
 Somebody who's a

01:09:29.299 --> 01:09:29.920
 writer should be

01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:30.339
 doing that.

01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:31.859
 I'm a,

01:09:31.859 --> 01:09:32.399
 I'm a,

01:09:32.399 --> 01:09:34.099
 I'm more of a

01:09:34.099 --> 01:09:34.479
 talker.

01:09:34.679 --> 01:09:35.299
 I talk better

01:09:35.299 --> 01:09:35.799
 than I write.

01:09:38.000 --> 01:09:38.359
 Yeah,

01:09:38.979 --> 01:09:39.199
 yeah.

01:09:39.539 --> 01:09:40.039
 Maybe I'll do

01:09:40.039 --> 01:09:41.719
 like a C.S.

01:09:41.759 --> 01:09:42.119
 Lewis style,

01:09:42.219 --> 01:09:42.779
 I'll do a bunch

01:09:42.779 --> 01:09:44.059
 of radio things

01:09:44.059 --> 01:09:45.199
 and then eventually

01:09:45.199 --> 01:09:45.699
 somebody will

01:09:45.699 --> 01:09:46.420
 transcribe it into

01:09:46.420 --> 01:09:46.719
 a book.

01:09:46.720 --> 01:09:48.619
 I hope not,

01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:48.900
 man.

01:09:50.440 --> 01:09:51.020
 Nobody should

01:09:51.020 --> 01:09:51.800
 ever listen to me

01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:52.619
 in anything I say.

01:09:56.500 --> 01:09:56.840
 Cool,

01:09:57.020 --> 01:09:57.280
 any other

01:09:57.280 --> 01:09:57.659
 questions?

01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:01.699
 All righty.

01:10:02.180 --> 01:10:02.380
 Well,

01:10:02.420 --> 01:10:03.039
 thank you guys so

01:10:03.039 --> 01:10:03.539
 much for coming.

01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:04.300
 I hope to see you

01:10:04.300 --> 01:10:04.680
 next week.

01:10:04.680 --> 01:10:05.039
 Thank you.

01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:07.360
 Thank you.

01:10:07.760 --> 01:10:07.920
 Thank you.

01:10:07.920 --> 01:10:10.739
 Thank you.