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 All right, we've come to the last session where I'm teaching.

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 And what a sweet time this has been.

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! I just am so always amazed at how the Lord just kind of ties things together.

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! And it's really the relationships, really the conversations that you have.

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 And He just makes Himself known in different ways.

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 So He's so kind.

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 This last session is on building bridges, pastors, and music leaders.

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 And then we're going to take a brief break and do a Q&A.

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 And so David is looking through all those Q's right now.

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 And hopefully he's going to have some great A's to respond to them with.

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 So here's the situation.

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 There have been years, decades, really, centuries of history

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 where the leaders of the church, the pastors of the church,

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 have been in conflict with the musicians.

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 And it's for different reasons.

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 Pastors usually have something to do with judgmentalism, sinful judgment.

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 Pastors tend to see musicians as temperamental.

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 Who would have thought?

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 Late, unorganized, non-theological, trendy, unresponsive, proud, etc.

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 Worship leaders, physicians have tended to see their pastors sometimes as controlling,

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 angry, demanding, insensitive, out of touch, over-detailed, non-relational, proud, etc.

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 And in those kinds of situations,

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 we just forget that our worship is not just what we do on Sunday mornings.

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 It's our relationships.

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 The two things that God says we're to do,

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 they have to do with relationship.

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 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength.

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 Love your neighbor as yourself.

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 Not get your meeting right.

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 It's important to get our meetings right.

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 We want to strive to do our meetings well.

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 But at the heart of it is the relationships.

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 And if you're married, it's your relationship with your spouse

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 is the primary issue.

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 And then it's you with your kids.

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 And then it's with your church, your pastor, and those you work with.

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 Paul says in Romans 15,

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 he makes it clear that, verses 5 and 6,

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 he makes it clear that God wants us to glorify him,

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 not just in our public ministry,

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 but in the way we relate to one another.

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 He says, may the God of endurance encouragement grant you,

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 so it comes from God,

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 grant you to live in such harmony with one another

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 in accord with Christ Jesus

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 that together you may with one voice

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 glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

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 I have been immensely privileged

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 to serve for almost every part of my life

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 40 years of pastoral ministry.

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 I've been leading music for 50,

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 but I've been in pastoral ministry for 40.

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 And my relationship with my pastor

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 is on the whole, massively on the whole,

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 been extremely encouraging.

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 It hasn't come without, you know,

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 let me make sure that we're okay here,

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 battery one.

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 I think I am.

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 Are we okay?

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 Yeah.

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 It hasn't come without buddy heads at times

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 and, you know, different issues to talk through,

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 but a lot of these things that I'm going to share

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 have come through things I've seen or heard.

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 You know, people come saying,

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 I've got this situation.

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 What do I do?

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 So if you're an employed musician in a church,

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 like a worship pastor, worship leader,

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 a few years back they did a survey

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 and the average length of time for someone like that

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 was two to three years in a church,

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 which doesn't speak well of what's going on.

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 I don't suspect that's happening here,

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 but it's always good for us to just get a recheck

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 on how are we to think about this.

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 So the way I framed it is,

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 first section is on what pastors

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 wish their worship leaders knew.

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 Second section, what worship leaders

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 wish their pastors knew.

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 And the third section is just

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 how we can work together as a team.

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 So let's begin with what pastors

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 wish their worship leaders knew.

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 And to be completely transparent,

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 these are things your pastor would want you to know

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 if I was your pastor.

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 So your pastor may not be like this,

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 but I suspect that it's true in more cases than not.

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 So I think there are,

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 I think there are how many of these?

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 There are 12 of these,

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 because there's just more to say.

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 Pastors, first, pastors, not worship leaders,

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 will give an account to God

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 for the people in their church.

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 Hebrews 13, 17,

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 obey your leaders and submit to them,

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 for they are keeping watch over your souls,

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 as though who will have to give an account.

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 Those who will have to give an account.

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 Let them do this with joy,

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 not with groaning,

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 for that would be of no advantage to you.

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 They have to give an account.

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 So to any music leader who is saying,

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 yeah, my pastor wants me to do this,

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 well, you know what?

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 Your pastor has to give an account to God

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 for what he's doing.

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 Once you've expressed your thoughts

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 and shared what you think,

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 if he's still saying,

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 no, I want to do this,

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 okay, he's gonna have to give an account

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 to God for that.

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 So you should gladly submit.

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 Make it a joy for him to do what he's doing.

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 Pastors are ultimately responsible

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 for the song diet

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 and the teaching of the church.

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 So they should know in advance

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 what songs are gonna be sung.

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 The pastor asked me one time,

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 yeah, my worship leader

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 doesn't want to show me the songs in advance,

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 and I said, time out, time out.

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 He should be volunteering

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 to show those to you.

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 You're responsible.

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 You have to give an account.

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 I want you to know

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 what we're going to be singing.

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 And it's not inappropriate at all

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 for a pastor to say,

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 yeah, I'd just like to know in advance

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 and have the freedom

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 to be able to change things

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 if I don't think it's gonna be

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 exactly what it should be.

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 And if you want a pastor's trust,

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 you're gonna have to earn it.

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 Or if you want my trust,

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 you'll have to earn it.

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 It's not like,

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 hey, yeah, just do whatever you want

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 and we'll clean up whatever happens.

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 No, I want to trust you,

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 so you'll have to earn that.

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 So pastors have to give an account to God

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 for the people in the church too.

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 God's word to us

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 matters more than our words to God.

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 Isaiah 66, 2.

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 This is the one to whom I will look,

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 he who is humble and contrite in spirit,

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 and trembles at my word.

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 Now it's true,

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 we share a lot,

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 we speak a lot of words to God.

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 But before we speak any words to God,

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 we have to know he's spoken to us.

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 There are a lot of idle words

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 that get spoken,

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 but are not heard

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 because God has never spoken

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 to the people who said them

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 in the first place.

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 music ministry is a word ministry.

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 It's not just the time

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 when we express everything we want

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 and then the teaching time

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 is the time when we listen.

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 Some people will go to one church

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 for the music

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 and then to another church

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 for the teaching.

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 That's so unhelpful.

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 That's so unwise.

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 Music ministry is a word ministry.

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 We don't want to underestimate

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 the importance,

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 the significance,

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 the effect of proclaiming God's truth,

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 proclaiming God's word passionately.

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 So I'd want you to know your Bible

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 better than your instrument,

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 or at least as well as your instrument.

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 Don't spend hours and hours practicing

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 and give 15 minutes to the word.

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 If I'm your pastor,

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 that's what I'd be saying to you.

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 Lead us to sing the word,

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 to hear the word,

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 to see the word,

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 to pray the word.

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 Your music ministry

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 is a word ministry.

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 Number three,

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 we are what we sing,

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 therefore choose our songs

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 and lyrics wisely.

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 There's an article

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 that came out in late,

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 I think in the 90s,

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 said we are what we sing.

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 Others have said it.

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 We are what we sing.

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 We tend to take on the shape,

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 the formation,

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 the values of what we sing.

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 You're discipling the congregation

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 through your song choices

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 and through the lyrics.

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 And for better or worse,

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 this is always a disappointment to pastors,

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 people will remember the songs

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 more than they'll remember your sermons.

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 No one knows,

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 can quote a John Wesley sermon,

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 I don't think.

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 Everybody knows

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 Hark the Herald Angels Sing.

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 It's because his brother wrote it.

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 And it's a song.

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 Chuck.

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 Chuck Wesley wrote that.

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 Wonder if there was any comparison.

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 No, I think they got along pretty well,

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 John and Charles.

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 So build a repertoire of songs.

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 I'd want you to build a repertoire of songs

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 that express the different aspects

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 of God's glory and character and works

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 and the appropriate responses to them.

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 and make sure we're singing them.

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 We just, we want to,

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 this kind of flows out of the transitions talk.

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 We want to,

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 we want to make people aware of the whole story.

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 And to make them aware of the whole story,

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 we have to sing different kinds of songs.

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 So we don't just sing songs

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 because they're popular.

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 You know,

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 a funny thing has happened

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 over the last 30 years

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 where,

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 and it's probably longer than that,

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 but worship songs have,

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 are like the top 40.

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 You know,

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 because we have the CCLI charts now

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 that tell you

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 what are the most popular songs.

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 We have YouTube that tells us

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 what has the most views

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 and, you know,

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 the people who are the most popular.

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 And those songs may not be the right ones

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 for your church

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 if they're not saying

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 what your church needs to say.

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 So writing a song that's catchy

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 with catchy words

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 is a lot easier

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 than writing a song

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 that your church needs to sing.

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 So I'd say,

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 so think about the diet.

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 Think about the repertoire.

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 Number four,

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 while song introductions can be helpful,

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 you're not the preacher.

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 And this is kind of a balance

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 to what I shared earlier.

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 Your primary role

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 is to enable the word of Christ

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 to dwell in us richly,

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 not to preach that word of Christ.

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 So when you're going to give a,

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 you know,

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 some kind of instruction

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 between the songs,

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 generally less is going to be more.

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 Generally.

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 Now you may be someone

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 who doesn't say anything

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 and your pastor

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 is going to say more.

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 Okay, great.

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 But generally,

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 for a musician,

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 to start talking

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 is to walk into trouble.

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 It's often happened.

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 We've seen it.

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 And typically,

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 less is more.

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 Choose great songs

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 and you won't have to say as much.

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 Choose great songs.

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 Number five,

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 but we're going to get through this

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 fairly quickly,

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 which we'll leave more time for Q&A.

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 Prayers are corporate conversations

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 with God,

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 not filler.

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 Prayers are corporate conversations

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 with God,

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 not filler.

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 Don't pray

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 just because you feel awkward

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 or don't know what to do.

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 Yeah,

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 they're not space fillers.

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 They are engaging with God.

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 Use your prayers

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 to speak for the congregation,

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 not just yourself.

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 It's always a little bit awkward

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 when the person in front

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 is just talking to God about,

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 God,

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 I just love you so much.

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 Lord,

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 just thank you for being with us.

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 Lord,

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 you're just so amazing.

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 It's like,

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 there's like a whole crowd

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 of people in the room

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 and we're just listening in

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 on this prayer.

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 We're praying for the congregation,

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 so we want to think corporately,

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 congregationally.

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 It's an opportunity to model

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 what theologically informed,

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 biblically rooted,

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 Christ-exalting prayer looks like.

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 So yeah,

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 to write it out,

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 great.

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 But the better thing

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 would be to know the Lord

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 so well

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 and to be so attentive

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 to what you're doing

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 that it just flows out of you,

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 that you're able to interact

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 in that moment.

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 And this is just an extra.

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 Don't mix up members of the Trinity

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 and don't pray as though

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 God has forgotten his name.

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 Lord,

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 we just thank you,

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 Father,

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 Lord Jesus,

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 for the Holy Spirit.

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 Thank you,

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 Lord,

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 for just being with us,

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 Lord.

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 Father,

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 thank you for dying

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 on the cross for us

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 and we're just so grateful,

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 Spirit,

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 that you,

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 Father,

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 didn't die on the cross for us,

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 Jesus did.

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 That's an important distinction.

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 Just things like that.

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 But I hear prayers like that

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 and just go,

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 just slow down.

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 Just slow down.

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 Think about what you're saying.

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 You know,

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 when we read,

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 I was just reading Thessalonians,

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 where the writers

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 are so specific

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 about the members of the Trinity.

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 Listen to what Paul says.

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 We give thanks to God

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 always for you,

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 constantly mentioning you

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 in our prayers,

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 remembering before our God

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 and Father

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 your work of faith

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 and labor of love

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 and steadfastness

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 of hope

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 in our Lord Jesus Christ.

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 For we know,

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 brothers,

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 loved by God

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 that he has chosen you

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 because our gospel

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 came to you

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 not only in word

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 but also in power

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 and with the Holy,

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 in the Holy Spirit

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 and with full conviction.

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 So he's just talking to them

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 about, you know,

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 the fact that I'm praying for you

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 and these are the things

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 I'm praying,

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 this is what we know.

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 And he mentions all three persons

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 of the Trinity.

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 You know,

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 may the,

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 I always get this wrong

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 so I'm not going to try it.

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 May,

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 in the 2nd Corinthians,

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 here it is right here,

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 may the grace

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 of the Lord Jesus Christ

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 and the love of God

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 and the fellowship

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 of the Holy Spirit

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 be with you all.

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 2nd Thessalonians,

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 it says,

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 may our Lord Jesus Christ

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 himself

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 and God our Father

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 who loved us

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 and gave us eternal comfort

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 and good hope

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 through grace.

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 You know,

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 it's like,

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 what is this?

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 Well,

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 they're recognizing

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 that God is triune.

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 He's Father,

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 Son,

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 and Spirit.

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 And if you haven't read

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 Delighting in the Trinity,

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 by Michael Reeves,

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 you should read it.

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 It says,

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 a very helpful book

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 about remembering

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 why it's so good

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 and delightful

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 that God is Father,

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 Son,

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 and Spirit.

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 All right,

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 number,

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 where are we at?

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 Six.

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 Your job is to support

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 congregational singing,

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 not overwhelm

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 or overpower it.

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 So,

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 as I'm telling my musicians,

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 Ephesians 5,

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 19,

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 we're addressing

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 one another

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 in psalms and hymns

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 and spiritual songs.

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 If we can't hear ourselves,

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 it's hard to address each other.

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 We're not just here

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 to listen to you.

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 You know,

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 when someone's leading

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 a song on a microphone,

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 they don't have to be

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 on that microphone

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 the entire song,

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 especially if the congregation

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 knows it really well.

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 It's not like we've come

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 to hear your voice.

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 We've come to hear

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 each other's voices.

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 That's a different perspective.

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 Make sure your sound person

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 knows the value

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 of the congregation's voice.

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 Don't assume

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 the instrumentalists

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 have to play constantly.

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 You know,

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 if we're up here on stage,

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 we should be playing.

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 No,

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 that's not true.

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 You can take a break.

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 Sometimes the best thing

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 you can do

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 is take a break.

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 How can I contribute?

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 Take a break.

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 That's not what I was looking for.

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 I know.

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 I know it's not

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 what you're looking for,

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 but really,

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 you will add more

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 if you play less.

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 it's kind of counterintuitive.

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 Pull back from your vocal mic sometimes.

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 Stop playing your instruments sometimes.

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 Let us sing a cappella.

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 That's what I'd be saying

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 to my music guy.

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 Number seven,

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 truth matters more than tunes,

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 but that doesn't mean

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 we should sing great theology

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 to bad melodies

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 or bad accompaniment.

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 So the music does matter.

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 Choose songs the congregation

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 can enjoy singing

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 and can sing.

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 And occasionally mix up

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 the arrangement.

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 Change the arrangement,

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 the feel,

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 the tempo,

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 so the congregation

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 can hear the lyrics

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 in a fresh way.

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 We are really about

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 what are these songs saying?

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 What should we be thinking about?

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 And if you do a song

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 the exact same way

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 every time you do it,

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 that will be a little harder

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 to figure out.

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 Number eight,

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 keys that serve

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 the congregation

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 are better than keys

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 that make you sound good.

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 Yeah, that's Philippians 2,

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 3, and 4.

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 Do nothing from selfish ambition

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 or conceit,

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 but in humility

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 count others more significant

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 than yourself.

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 Let each of you look

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 not only to his own interests,

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 but also to the interests

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 of others.

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 Some churches where,

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 you know,

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 if a guy leads,

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 it's in this key.

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 If a girl leads,

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 it's in this key.

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 And that may be true

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 like within a step or so,

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 but not like when it's

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 a fourth or a fifth difference.

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 You know,

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 when a guy sings,

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 it's in G.

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 When a girl sings,

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 it's in D.

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 No, you're a poor congregation.

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 You know,

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 the one is too high,

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 the other's too low.

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 Let's find that middle spot

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 where you may not sound

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 as your very possible

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 American Idol best,

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 but the congregation

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 will be able to enjoy

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 singing it.

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 So generally,

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 that falls within a range

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 of an A to a D.

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 Generally,

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 there are exceptions,

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 but if you're singing

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 a lot of Ds,

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 your women are probably dying.

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 And if you're singing

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 low Gs,

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 low Fs,

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 your guys are not

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 going to be able to,

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 they're not going to be able

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 to sing with passion.

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 It's just not there.

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 So just try to find

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 that sweet spot

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 of a song

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 that lies within that range.

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 Yeah,

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 we don't compare

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 to listen to you sing,

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 but lift up our voices.

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 Yeah,

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 if you do have

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 a higher voice,

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 then use that voice

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 to fill in between lines.

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 If you're the leader,

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 don't sing harmony

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 all the time

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 because that's confusing

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 to your people.

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 But if,

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 you know,

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 and as he stands

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 in victory,

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 as he stands,

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 or whatever,

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 you know,

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 do something,

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 not like that,

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 but do something

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 that's in between the lines

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 that will encourage people

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 as they're singing the song.

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 Not to show off,

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 but to augment

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 or draw attention

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 to the content

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 of what we're singing.

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 So,

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 yeah,

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 as the congregations

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 get weary

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 if they have to sing

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 a lot of high D's

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 and E's.

00:19:17.600 --> 00:19:18.180
 Although there are

00:19:18.180 --> 00:19:19.140
 exceptions to this.

00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:20.300
 The song Praise,

00:19:20.380 --> 00:19:21.340
 it's like number two

00:19:21.340 --> 00:19:22.340
 or three on CCLI.

00:19:23.040 --> 00:19:24.260
 I've got a reason

00:19:24.260 --> 00:19:28.400
 to praise the Lord.

00:19:28.660 --> 00:19:28.860
 I mean,

00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:29.600
 it's a great song,

00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:30.520
 but that's a high A

00:19:30.520 --> 00:19:31.680
 in the original song.

00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:32.680
 It's a high A.

00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:35.360
 And it's a fun song,

00:19:35.560 --> 00:19:36.160
 and, you know,

00:19:36.240 --> 00:19:37.580
 but I just couldn't

00:19:37.580 --> 00:19:38.300
 lead that song

00:19:38.300 --> 00:19:41.120
 because it's got

00:19:41.120 --> 00:19:42.140
 a wide range as well,

00:19:42.220 --> 00:19:43.400
 so if you bring it down,

00:19:44.080 --> 00:19:45.780
 it's just hard

00:19:45.780 --> 00:19:47.700
 to make it all work together.

00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:50.080
 If your congregation

00:19:50.080 --> 00:19:51.240
 is all 20-somethings,

00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:51.960
 they'll probably do great.

00:19:53.440 --> 00:19:54.060
 All right,

00:19:54.140 --> 00:19:55.260
 number nine,

00:19:55.460 --> 00:19:56.120
 don't teach us

00:19:56.120 --> 00:19:57.200
 so many new songs

00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:58.340
 that we never learn them

00:19:58.339 --> 00:20:01.379
 and so few new songs

00:20:01.379 --> 00:20:02.039
 that we fail

00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:03.339
 to benefit from them.

00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:04.579
 All right,

00:20:04.619 --> 00:20:05.500
 so there's that tension.

00:20:05.899 --> 00:20:07.139
 Don't do so many new songs

00:20:07.139 --> 00:20:07.679
 that we never have

00:20:07.679 --> 00:20:08.559
 the time to learn them

00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:10.859
 and don't do so few new songs

00:20:10.859 --> 00:20:11.459
 that we fail

00:20:11.459 --> 00:20:12.899
 to benefit from them.

00:20:14.179 --> 00:20:14.899
 Years ago,

00:20:14.980 --> 00:20:15.980
 I used to try to teach

00:20:15.980 --> 00:20:17.579
 two new songs every month,

00:20:18.299 --> 00:20:19.519
 24 songs a year.

00:20:19.699 --> 00:20:19.899
 That,

00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:21.240
 I don't know how we did that.

00:20:21.299 --> 00:20:22.379
 I don't know why we did that,

00:20:22.439 --> 00:20:23.079
 but we did it,

00:20:23.639 --> 00:20:25.000
 and it seemed to work

00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:26.039
 for a couple years.

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 But now,

00:20:27.720 --> 00:20:28.480
 we probably teach

00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:29.599
 10 songs,

00:20:29.740 --> 00:20:30.059
 maybe.

00:20:31.639 --> 00:20:32.279
 Some of those

00:20:32.279 --> 00:20:33.019
 we do once,

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 but a lot of them

00:20:34.119 --> 00:20:34.859
 we do because

00:20:34.859 --> 00:20:35.939
 we want to

00:20:35.939 --> 00:20:37.259
 inject them

00:20:37.259 --> 00:20:37.960
 into the repertoire

00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:38.740
 of the church.

00:20:40.879 --> 00:20:41.299
 So yeah,

00:20:41.339 --> 00:20:42.139
 it varies.

00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:43.480
 You know,

00:20:43.500 --> 00:20:43.980
 learning two,

00:20:44.099 --> 00:20:44.599
 three songs

00:20:44.599 --> 00:20:45.519
 every couple months

00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:46.139
 is doable.

00:20:46.939 --> 00:20:47.819
 Learning four songs

00:20:47.819 --> 00:20:48.679
 a month isn't.

00:20:49.779 --> 00:20:50.659
 And the problem is

00:20:50.659 --> 00:20:51.460
 we have access

00:20:51.460 --> 00:20:52.939
 to so many songs now,

00:20:52.940 --> 00:20:53.240
 don't we?

00:20:55.320 --> 00:20:55.799
 There,

00:20:56.019 --> 00:20:57.620
 I just did this research

00:20:57.620 --> 00:20:58.080
 recently.

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 I forget how many

00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:00.960
 worship songs

00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:01.960
 are being uploaded

00:21:01.960 --> 00:21:03.400
 a year.

00:21:05.059 --> 00:21:05.539
 Oh,

00:21:05.740 --> 00:21:06.279
 I want to say

00:21:06.279 --> 00:21:06.740
 something like

00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:07.360
 2,500.

00:21:09.380 --> 00:21:09.519
 But,

00:21:10.840 --> 00:21:11.539
 well,

00:21:11.600 --> 00:21:12.120
 maybe it was

00:21:12.120 --> 00:21:13.299
 1,000 a month,

00:21:13.539 --> 00:21:14.019
 which would be

00:21:14.019 --> 00:21:15.019
 24,000.

00:21:15.259 --> 00:21:16.299
 It's a lot.

00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:17.539
 It's a lot.

00:21:19.120 --> 00:21:20.120
 You can't do

00:21:20.120 --> 00:21:20.900
 all those songs.

00:21:21.360 --> 00:21:22.280
 And not all

00:21:22.280 --> 00:21:22.980
 those songs

00:21:22.980 --> 00:21:24.140
 are really great.

00:21:25.320 --> 00:21:26.080
 A lot of them

00:21:26.080 --> 00:21:26.680
 have some good

00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:27.340
 things in them.

00:21:27.600 --> 00:21:28.180
 Let's sing

00:21:28.180 --> 00:21:28.920
 the really great

00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:29.240
 songs.

00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:31.300
 We do about

00:21:31.300 --> 00:21:32.700
 110 songs a year

00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:33.880
 total

00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:35.500
 for any given

00:21:35.500 --> 00:21:36.300
 calendar year.

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 That's because

00:21:38.040 --> 00:21:39.500
 there's 52 weeks,

00:21:39.540 --> 00:21:40.140
 you'll probably

00:21:40.140 --> 00:21:41.480
 repeat half of them.

00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.140
 So we do five songs

00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:45.700
 a Sunday,

00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:46.240
 typically.

00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:48.500
 And 52 weeks,

00:21:48.560 --> 00:21:49.860
 that's 260 songs.

00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:50.839
 We do half of them

00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:52.179
 twice.

00:21:52.959 --> 00:21:53.439
 That's right,

00:21:53.539 --> 00:21:54.359
 now you've got 130.

00:21:55.379 --> 00:21:56.079
 130 songs

00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:56.439
 that you're doing.

00:21:56.959 --> 00:21:57.439
 And then do some

00:21:57.439 --> 00:21:58.059
 of them three times,

00:21:58.139 --> 00:21:58.219
 well,

00:21:58.279 --> 00:21:58.919
 that's probably

00:21:58.919 --> 00:21:59.579
 down to 110.

00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:01.059
 So we do about

00:22:01.059 --> 00:22:02.039
 110 songs a year.

00:22:02.740 --> 00:22:03.419
 We can be really

00:22:03.419 --> 00:22:04.079
 choosy about what

00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:04.319
 we do.

00:22:05.439 --> 00:22:07.279
 So don't do

00:22:07.279 --> 00:22:08.159
 so many new songs

00:22:08.159 --> 00:22:08.799
 people can't remember,

00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:09.979
 but don't do so few

00:22:09.979 --> 00:22:10.519
 that people don't

00:22:10.519 --> 00:22:10.859
 benefit.

00:22:11.059 --> 00:22:11.659
 There's a really,

00:22:11.819 --> 00:22:12.479
 really great song

00:22:12.479 --> 00:22:14.339
 that fits into

00:22:14.339 --> 00:22:15.019
 what your church

00:22:15.019 --> 00:22:15.579
 is learning,

00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:17.139
 or a song that

00:22:17.139 --> 00:22:18.119
 they just should sing.

00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:18.599
 So when Yet

00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:19.479
 Not I came out,

00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:20.439
 I thought,

00:22:20.619 --> 00:22:21.039
 this is the song

00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:21.479
 I want to sing.

00:22:22.479 --> 00:22:22.859
 This is going to

00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:23.399
 serve our church

00:22:23.399 --> 00:22:25.059
 for years and years.

00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:26.099
 So I just looked

00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:26.719
 for a time

00:22:26.719 --> 00:22:27.519
 that would be right

00:22:27.519 --> 00:22:28.500
 to introduce it.

00:22:28.879 --> 00:22:29.559
 Because every song

00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:30.439
 says something,

00:22:30.939 --> 00:22:31.419
 and you want to

00:22:31.419 --> 00:22:31.799
 incorporate,

00:22:31.939 --> 00:22:32.139
 again,

00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:33.079
 think about transitions,

00:22:33.639 --> 00:22:34.339
 you want to incorporate

00:22:34.339 --> 00:22:34.839
 it in a time

00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:35.799
 when it makes sense,

00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.059
 not just because

00:22:37.059 --> 00:22:37.819
 it's a great song.

00:22:39.899 --> 00:22:40.519
 Number 10,

00:22:40.639 --> 00:22:41.439
 blaming sin

00:22:41.439 --> 00:22:42.439
 on being a musician

00:22:42.439 --> 00:22:43.159
 doesn't make it

00:22:43.159 --> 00:22:44.000
 any less sinful.

00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.460
 moodiness,

00:22:46.779 --> 00:22:47.700
 oversensitivity,

00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:48.980
 procrastination,

00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:49.599
 pride,

00:22:49.819 --> 00:22:50.740
 irresponsibility,

00:22:50.859 --> 00:22:51.460
 and laziness

00:22:51.460 --> 00:22:52.460
 aren't due

00:22:52.460 --> 00:22:54.180
 to being a musician.

00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:55.900
 They're due

00:22:55.900 --> 00:22:57.119
 to indwelling sin.

00:22:58.259 --> 00:22:59.720
 And it's not

00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:00.839
 generally helpful

00:23:00.839 --> 00:23:01.500
 when musicians

00:23:01.500 --> 00:23:02.339
 just hang around

00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:03.240
 with other musicians

00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.539
 because we can all

00:23:05.539 --> 00:23:06.539
 cover for ourselves.

00:23:07.460 --> 00:23:07.640
 Yeah,

00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:08.299
 of course you're like,

00:23:08.359 --> 00:23:08.460
 yeah,

00:23:08.460 --> 00:23:08.940
 I get it,

00:23:08.940 --> 00:23:09.380
 I get it,

00:23:09.380 --> 00:23:10.500
 get to know

00:23:10.500 --> 00:23:11.480
 non-musicians

00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:12.060
 in your church.

00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:13.500
 Be a part of a small group

00:23:13.500 --> 00:23:14.720
 that's not just musicians.

00:23:15.540 --> 00:23:16.760
 Always discourage

00:23:16.760 --> 00:23:19.160
 musical small groups.

00:23:19.760 --> 00:23:19.980
 I mean,

00:23:20.060 --> 00:23:20.240
 you know,

00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:20.860
 this is going to be

00:23:20.860 --> 00:23:21.360
 our small group,

00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:21.780
 the band.

00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:23.140
 I don't think you'll,

00:23:23.240 --> 00:23:24.460
 because we just start

00:23:24.460 --> 00:23:25.000
 to think everybody

00:23:25.000 --> 00:23:25.940
 thinks like us.

00:23:26.620 --> 00:23:27.300
 It's not true.

00:23:27.780 --> 00:23:28.900
 People have problems

00:23:28.900 --> 00:23:30.060
 for the same reasons

00:23:30.060 --> 00:23:30.460
 we do,

00:23:30.540 --> 00:23:30.820
 they're just,

00:23:31.020 --> 00:23:31.900
 they're different problems.

00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:33.700
 The roots are the same.

00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:35.140
 And I expect you

00:23:35.140 --> 00:23:36.020
 to tell me

00:23:36.020 --> 00:23:36.860
 if there's anything

00:23:36.860 --> 00:23:37.420
 in your life

00:23:37.420 --> 00:23:38.120
 that would make

00:23:38.120 --> 00:23:38.880
 what you're doing

00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:39.780
 disqualifying.

00:23:40.220 --> 00:23:41.000
 It would disqualify

00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:41.680
 you for what you're doing.

00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:42.860
 I would expect

00:23:42.860 --> 00:23:43.560
 that of a musician,

00:23:43.800 --> 00:23:44.500
 especially a leader.

00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:45.900
 Number 11,

00:23:46.020 --> 00:23:47.200
 your goal isn't leading.

00:23:47.380 --> 00:23:48.060
 Your goal in leading

00:23:48.060 --> 00:23:49.180
 isn't performing,

00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:50.220
 but pastoring

00:23:50.220 --> 00:23:50.860
 and participation.

00:23:52.260 --> 00:23:53.360
 That's shepherding,

00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:53.920
 you might say.

00:23:54.820 --> 00:23:55.720
 If the people

00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:56.620
 in your church

00:23:56.620 --> 00:23:58.000
 generally aren't singing,

00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:00.260
 then you're,

00:24:01.160 --> 00:24:01.960
 what you're doing

00:24:01.960 --> 00:24:03.200
 is probably more performing

00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:03.780
 than leading

00:24:03.780 --> 00:24:04.980
 congregational worship.

00:24:05.600 --> 00:24:06.540
 And you want to aim

00:24:06.540 --> 00:24:07.640
 to shepherd their souls,

00:24:07.760 --> 00:24:08.560
 not put on a show.

00:24:09.740 --> 00:24:11.160
 Your job isn't done

00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:12.060
 just because you practiced.

00:24:13.220 --> 00:24:13.400
 You know,

00:24:13.420 --> 00:24:13.840
 we practiced

00:24:13.840 --> 00:24:14.800
 for two hours this week.

00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:15.060
 Okay,

00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:16.080
 that's great,

00:24:16.420 --> 00:24:16.720
 excellent.

00:24:17.060 --> 00:24:17.800
 Your job

00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:18.800
 is to shepherd people

00:24:18.800 --> 00:24:19.580
 to sing,

00:24:19.820 --> 00:24:20.740
 to give them reasons

00:24:20.740 --> 00:24:21.540
 to sing

00:24:21.540 --> 00:24:22.660
 when we gather.

00:24:23.420 --> 00:24:24.280
 Reasons churches

00:24:24.280 --> 00:24:25.260
 don't sing

00:24:25.260 --> 00:24:26.340
 include range.

00:24:26.420 --> 00:24:27.240
 We talked about that.

00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:29.560
 Melody being too difficult,

00:24:29.860 --> 00:24:31.420
 the band being too loud,

00:24:32.220 --> 00:24:33.740
 too many new songs,

00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:34.420
 the arrangements

00:24:34.420 --> 00:24:35.520
 too complicated

00:24:35.520 --> 00:24:36.500
 or too new.

00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:38.519
 Yeah,

00:24:38.619 --> 00:24:38.960
 there are just

00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:39.579
 a lot of reasons.

00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:40.640
 We just want

00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:41.180
 to make sure

00:24:41.180 --> 00:24:42.920
 that whosoever up here

00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:44.579
 is encouraging people

00:24:44.579 --> 00:24:45.339
 to sing

00:24:45.339 --> 00:24:47.480
 by portraying Christ

00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:48.500
 in all his glory

00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:48.980
 to them

00:24:48.980 --> 00:24:49.599
 through the words

00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:50.039
 we're singing

00:24:50.039 --> 00:24:50.599
 and the scriptures

00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:51.119
 we're reading.

00:24:51.779 --> 00:24:52.960
 And leading

00:24:52.960 --> 00:24:54.299
 with your eyes open

00:24:54.299 --> 00:24:55.740
 most of the time

00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:56.299
 will communicate

00:24:56.299 --> 00:24:57.160
 your care

00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:58.819
 and also help you gauge

00:24:58.819 --> 00:24:59.740
 how people are responding.

00:24:59.740 --> 00:25:01.480
 So if I had a leader

00:25:01.480 --> 00:25:02.319
 who was like this

00:25:02.319 --> 00:25:03.059
 all the time,

00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:04.240
 all the time,

00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:04.819
 I would say,

00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:05.819
 open your eyes,

00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:06.900
 look at us,

00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:07.420
 let us know

00:25:07.420 --> 00:25:08.539
 you're happy to be here.

00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:09.559
 Let us know

00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:10.660
 that we are doing

00:25:10.660 --> 00:25:11.319
 this together.

00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:12.319
 That's a good thing

00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:12.839
 to communicate.

00:25:13.620 --> 00:25:14.120
 And then finally

00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:14.759
 for the pastors,

00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:15.859
 ultimately,

00:25:16.039 --> 00:25:16.960
 or for the music leaders,

00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:18.140
 ultimately Christ

00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:19.039
 is our worship leader,

00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:19.559
 not you.

00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:21.700
 I just want you

00:25:21.700 --> 00:25:22.120
 to know that.

00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:23.599
 You don't have

00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:24.420
 to feel the pressure

00:25:24.420 --> 00:25:25.000
 to bring us

00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:25.940
 into the throne room

00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:28.099
 because you can.

00:25:28.099 --> 00:25:30.519
 Jesus has already

00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:31.019
 done that.

00:25:31.980 --> 00:25:32.159
 Therefore,

00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:32.519
 brothers,

00:25:32.579 --> 00:25:33.419
 since we have confidence

00:25:33.419 --> 00:25:34.439
 to enter the holy places

00:25:34.439 --> 00:25:35.480
 by the blood of Jesus,

00:25:36.399 --> 00:25:37.480
 by the new and living way

00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:38.299
 that he opened for us

00:25:38.299 --> 00:25:38.919
 through the curtain

00:25:38.919 --> 00:25:39.899
 that is through his flesh,

00:25:40.139 --> 00:25:40.859
 and since we have

00:25:40.859 --> 00:25:41.319
 a great priest

00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:42.159
 over the house of God,

00:25:42.519 --> 00:25:43.659
 let us draw near.

00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:44.839
 It's open.

00:25:45.099 --> 00:25:45.779
 The way is open.

00:25:45.939 --> 00:25:46.519
 We're in Christ.

00:25:46.619 --> 00:25:46.959
 We're seated

00:25:46.959 --> 00:25:47.619
 in the heavenly places.

00:25:47.939 --> 00:25:49.939
 We're just reminding people.

00:25:50.659 --> 00:25:51.719
 So don't feel pressure

00:25:51.719 --> 00:25:52.579
 about leading us.

00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:53.279
 I don't want you

00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.559
 to come in with this anxiety

00:25:55.559 --> 00:25:56.419
 as you're leading

00:25:56.419 --> 00:25:56.980
 the congregation.

00:25:57.439 --> 00:25:58.059
 It's a joy.

00:25:58.179 --> 00:25:58.719
 It's a privilege.

00:25:59.319 --> 00:26:01.059
 It's what an opportunity

00:26:01.059 --> 00:26:02.659
 to let people know

00:26:02.659 --> 00:26:04.899
 how glorious Christ is.

00:26:05.339 --> 00:26:06.240
 And the more you point

00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:07.839
 us to what Christ has done

00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:10.000
 and is doing for us,

00:26:10.159 --> 00:26:11.379
 the less will see you.

00:26:12.459 --> 00:26:13.219
 So those are some

00:26:13.219 --> 00:26:13.659
 of the things

00:26:13.659 --> 00:26:14.579
 that I want my worship

00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:15.379
 pastor to know.

00:26:16.219 --> 00:26:17.500
 Now let's flip it

00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:18.980
 and say,

00:26:19.399 --> 00:26:22.159
 if I am the music leader,

00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:23.139
 the worship pastor,

00:26:23.779 --> 00:26:24.619
 what would I want

00:26:24.619 --> 00:26:26.259
 my pastor to know?

00:26:26.259 --> 00:26:28.099
 I think there are

00:26:28.099 --> 00:26:29.240
 10 of these.

00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:30.599
 Yeah.

00:26:30.859 --> 00:26:31.559
 Oh, 11.

00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:31.900
 Okay.

00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:33.180
 I must have added one.

00:26:33.779 --> 00:26:34.460
 All right.

00:26:35.240 --> 00:26:36.579
 Communication in advance

00:26:36.579 --> 00:26:38.059
 makes for a more unified,

00:26:38.220 --> 00:26:39.079
 edifying meeting.

00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:41.039
 Just let me know

00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:41.759
 ahead of time

00:26:41.759 --> 00:26:43.319
 something of what's coming

00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:44.539
 really helps me.

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.700
 Not figure out the meeting,

00:26:47.859 --> 00:26:48.339
 you know,

00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:49.319
 Saturday night

00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:51.019
 as you get your message to me.

00:26:51.019 --> 00:26:52.200
 and I'm trying to

00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:53.440
 put everything together.

00:26:54.319 --> 00:26:55.059
 I'd rather know

00:26:55.059 --> 00:26:55.519
 what you want

00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:56.680
 before the meeting

00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:58.059
 than after the meeting.

00:27:01.619 --> 00:27:02.940
 Now that requires

00:27:02.940 --> 00:27:04.160
 the musician

00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:05.079
 getting the stuff

00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:05.759
 to the pastor

00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:06.859
 before the meeting,

00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:08.119
 but I'd rather know

00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:08.420
 what you want

00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:08.839
 before the meeting

00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:09.519
 rather than after the meeting.

00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:11.359
 The earlier I know

00:27:11.359 --> 00:27:12.139
 you're preaching,

00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:12.980
 for us,

00:27:13.139 --> 00:27:14.680
 the better we can prepare

00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:15.440
 the last song.

00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:16.519
 Although we have

00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:17.420
 a very flexible

00:27:17.420 --> 00:27:18.700
 thing going there.

00:27:18.700 --> 00:27:19.480
 you know,

00:27:19.580 --> 00:27:20.640
 I'll send out

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:21.400
 the liturgy,

00:27:21.620 --> 00:27:22.220
 maybe we talk about

00:27:22.220 --> 00:27:22.940
 this in Q&A,

00:27:23.460 --> 00:27:25.759
 but on Tuesday afternoon

00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:26.240
 generally,

00:27:26.600 --> 00:27:27.580
 and then I'll say

00:27:27.580 --> 00:27:28.240
 to this preacher,

00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:28.720
 hey, if you have

00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:29.500
 a better last song,

00:27:29.580 --> 00:27:29.960
 let me know.

00:27:30.819 --> 00:27:31.799
 And then sometimes

00:27:31.799 --> 00:27:33.039
 they'll email me

00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:33.819
 Saturday

00:27:33.819 --> 00:27:34.799
 or sometimes

00:27:34.799 --> 00:27:35.460
 Sunday morning

00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:36.960
 and sometimes

00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:37.840
 we'll just show up

00:27:37.840 --> 00:27:38.100
 and say,

00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:38.640
 okay, we're not

00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:39.080
 doing that song.

00:27:39.340 --> 00:27:40.120
 And then sometimes

00:27:40.120 --> 00:27:40.920
 it'll come in the last

00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:41.960
 10 minutes of the message

00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:43.360
 and we'll realize

00:27:43.360 --> 00:27:44.240
 the song we pick

00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:45.240
 is not the right song.

00:27:45.860 --> 00:27:46.900
 And I'll just text

00:27:46.900 --> 00:27:47.799
 everybody in the group

00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:48.680
 and we have

00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:50.480
 an admin,

00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:51.180
 Amanda,

00:27:51.259 --> 00:27:52.139
 who's just amazing.

00:27:52.299 --> 00:27:52.539
 We'll say,

00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:53.119
 Amanda, we're doing

00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:53.779
 this song

00:27:53.779 --> 00:27:54.500
 and the projectionist

00:27:54.500 --> 00:27:54.839
 gets it.

00:27:54.879 --> 00:27:55.460
 Everybody gets it.

00:27:55.919 --> 00:27:56.899
 And then we come up

00:27:56.899 --> 00:27:58.319
 and as the pastor's praying,

00:27:58.460 --> 00:27:59.399
 she just distributes

00:27:59.399 --> 00:28:00.259
 that paper

00:28:00.259 --> 00:28:02.399
 and all everybody's,

00:28:02.399 --> 00:28:03.299
 you know,

00:28:04.099 --> 00:28:04.940
 music stand

00:28:04.940 --> 00:28:05.659
 and then we just

00:28:05.659 --> 00:28:06.099
 do the song.

00:28:06.919 --> 00:28:08.000
 And it works.

00:28:08.399 --> 00:28:08.559
 You know,

00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:09.359
 we don't use like

00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:10.220
 iPads and stuff.

00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:11.159
 That'd make it easier,

00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:11.519
 I guess.

00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.039
 but our goal

00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.740
 is to sing songs

00:28:16.740 --> 00:28:18.160
 that are going to fit,

00:28:18.660 --> 00:28:19.279
 that are relevant,

00:28:19.619 --> 00:28:21.660
 that are a right response

00:28:21.660 --> 00:28:22.339
 to the message.

00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:25.079
 Yes,

00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:26.240
 so church will be

00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:26.700
 better served

00:28:26.700 --> 00:28:27.379
 if we've coordinated

00:28:27.379 --> 00:28:28.059
 what we're going to do

00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:28.599
 in advance.

00:28:29.099 --> 00:28:30.440
 The way we do this

00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.319
 is we plan on Tuesday,

00:28:33.379 --> 00:28:34.039
 put the whole thing

00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:34.460
 together

00:28:34.460 --> 00:28:36.200
 and then send it out

00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:37.299
 and then any pastors

00:28:37.299 --> 00:28:38.279
 can get back to me

00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:40.220
 if they think

00:28:40.220 --> 00:28:40.799
 that something

00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:41.279
 should be different,

00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:42.099
 want something changed,

00:28:42.180 --> 00:28:42.980
 want something added.

00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:43.980
 Sometimes a guy

00:28:43.980 --> 00:28:44.200
 will say,

00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:44.460
 hey,

00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:44.960
 can I do this

00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:45.779
 scripture instead?

00:28:48.619 --> 00:28:49.139
 You know,

00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:50.099
 and then we arrive Sunday

00:28:50.099 --> 00:28:52.859
 and things might change

00:28:52.859 --> 00:28:53.619
 during the week.

00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:53.879
 Oh,

00:28:53.899 --> 00:28:54.700
 we have this testimony

00:28:54.700 --> 00:28:55.720
 we forgot about

00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:56.759
 or we're having a baptism.

00:28:58.039 --> 00:28:59.740
 Once I plan,

00:28:59.859 --> 00:29:00.660
 we plan a Sunday

00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:01.379
 and then we found out

00:29:01.379 --> 00:29:02.039
 we're doing communion.

00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:02.480
 Oh,

00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:02.740
 okay,

00:29:02.859 --> 00:29:03.039
 great,

00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:04.240
 let's just change that.

00:29:04.539 --> 00:29:05.639
 But we're trying

00:29:05.639 --> 00:29:07.139
 to be intentional

00:29:07.139 --> 00:29:07.779
 in our planning

00:29:07.779 --> 00:29:09.299
 but then also be open

00:29:09.299 --> 00:29:09.799
 to changes.

00:29:10.700 --> 00:29:11.460
 Our plan's not

00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:12.799
 the Holy Spirit.

00:29:13.339 --> 00:29:13.799
 The Holy Spirit

00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:14.519
 helps us plan,

00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:15.599
 plan's not the Holy Spirit.

00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:16.660
 Two,

00:29:17.059 --> 00:29:18.379
 consistent and specific

00:29:18.379 --> 00:29:19.160
 encouragement

00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:20.319
 and evaluation

00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:20.980
 will make me

00:29:20.980 --> 00:29:21.500
 a better leader.

00:29:22.980 --> 00:29:24.399
 Consistent and specific

00:29:24.399 --> 00:29:25.399
 encouragement

00:29:25.399 --> 00:29:26.660
 and evaluation

00:29:26.660 --> 00:29:27.899
 will make me

00:29:27.899 --> 00:29:28.899
 a better leader.

00:29:29.700 --> 00:29:31.059
 And I have been

00:29:31.059 --> 00:29:31.980
 blessed

00:29:31.980 --> 00:29:33.799
 to have had

00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:35.319
 a senior pastor

00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:37.019
 for

00:29:37.019 --> 00:29:39.579
 almost 30 years

00:29:39.579 --> 00:29:42.159
 who has

00:29:42.159 --> 00:29:43.599
 modeled this.

00:29:43.740 --> 00:29:43.919
 I remember

00:29:43.919 --> 00:29:44.700
 the early years

00:29:44.700 --> 00:29:45.799
 when I first

00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:46.720
 moved to

00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:48.639
 a church in Maryland

00:29:48.639 --> 00:29:49.799
 where C.J. Mahoney

00:29:49.799 --> 00:29:50.919
 was the senior pastor.

00:29:51.220 --> 00:29:52.119
 He would pull me aside

00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:52.740
 after the meeting

00:29:52.740 --> 00:29:53.419
 every week

00:29:53.419 --> 00:29:54.879
 and just say,

00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:55.059
 hey,

00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:55.939
 this was really great.

00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:56.779
 This was really great.

00:29:56.879 --> 00:29:57.059
 This is,

00:29:57.059 --> 00:29:57.579
 I really appreciate

00:29:57.579 --> 00:29:58.139
 when you repeat

00:29:58.139 --> 00:29:58.700
 that chorus.

00:29:58.939 --> 00:29:59.779
 And then a couple

00:29:59.779 --> 00:30:00.539
 things that maybe

00:30:00.539 --> 00:30:00.960
 could do better.

00:30:01.059 --> 00:30:01.559
 Don't do this.

00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.179
 Some of those things

00:30:03.179 --> 00:30:03.940
 have stayed with me

00:30:03.940 --> 00:30:04.559
 for decades.

00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:05.799
 He shared them.

00:30:06.399 --> 00:30:07.599
 It wasn't complicated.

00:30:07.819 --> 00:30:08.619
 It wasn't heavy.

00:30:09.019 --> 00:30:09.379
 It was just,

00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:09.519
 yeah,

00:30:09.539 --> 00:30:10.079
 I think this could be

00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:10.319
 better.

00:30:10.619 --> 00:30:11.779
 And what it did

00:30:11.779 --> 00:30:12.679
 was teach me

00:30:12.679 --> 00:30:13.559
 how to discern.

00:30:14.740 --> 00:30:15.399
 Taught me,

00:30:15.659 --> 00:30:15.679
 like,

00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:15.960
 okay,

00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:16.539
 oh,

00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.460
 I felt that

00:30:18.460 --> 00:30:19.220
 that was too long

00:30:19.220 --> 00:30:19.940
 when I shared that.

00:30:20.299 --> 00:30:20.700
 And he said,

00:30:20.740 --> 00:30:20.879
 yeah,

00:30:20.940 --> 00:30:21.859
 that went a little long.

00:30:22.099 --> 00:30:22.259
 Oh,

00:30:22.299 --> 00:30:22.460
 great.

00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:23.299
 So when I feel

00:30:23.299 --> 00:30:23.980
 it's going too long,

00:30:24.099 --> 00:30:25.099
 it's probably going too long.

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:26.419
 Don't have to wonder.

00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:26.740
 Nah,

00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:27.639
 they're not going to notice.

00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:28.019
 Yeah,

00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:28.399
 they will.

00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:29.259
 They're noticing.

00:30:30.019 --> 00:30:31.119
 Some are falling asleep.

00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:32.039
 Um,

00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:34.279
 I will thrive and grow

00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:35.220
 if I know what things

00:30:35.220 --> 00:30:35.619
 I'm doing

00:30:35.619 --> 00:30:36.559
 that are serving you

00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:37.240
 in the church.

00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:40.379
 Great job

00:30:40.379 --> 00:30:41.279
 is better than

00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:42.500
 saying nothing,

00:30:43.179 --> 00:30:44.819
 but not as good

00:30:44.819 --> 00:30:45.460
 as telling me

00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:46.279
 what was helpful

00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:47.039
 and how I could

00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:47.899
 improve.

00:30:48.899 --> 00:30:50.059
 And when you say

00:30:50.059 --> 00:30:50.539
 helpful,

00:30:50.899 --> 00:30:51.079
 it's,

00:30:51.259 --> 00:30:51.359
 you know,

00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:51.899
 how was God

00:30:51.899 --> 00:30:52.799
 working through

00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:53.659
 me today?

00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:55.159
 What was,

00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:55.639
 what was,

00:30:55.779 --> 00:30:56.480
 what was happening?

00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:57.779
 Um,

00:30:58.299 --> 00:30:58.960
 CJ does that

00:30:58.960 --> 00:30:59.819
 to this day.

00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:01.240
 He,

00:31:01.319 --> 00:31:02.500
 he comes up,

00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:02.859
 I mean,

00:31:02.939 --> 00:31:03.939
 he'll give the benediction,

00:31:04.139 --> 00:31:05.579
 dismiss the,

00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:06.039
 uh,

00:31:06.259 --> 00:31:06.700
 church,

00:31:06.879 --> 00:31:08.139
 and then he'll turn around

00:31:08.139 --> 00:31:09.059
 and he'll thank

00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:10.240
 everybody in the band.

00:31:11.819 --> 00:31:12.779
 It's just amazing.

00:31:12.939 --> 00:31:13.460
 And then he'll,

00:31:13.539 --> 00:31:14.960
 he'll often walk over

00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:15.379
 and just share

00:31:15.379 --> 00:31:16.399
 specific things

00:31:16.399 --> 00:31:16.960
 with people.

00:31:17.460 --> 00:31:17.619
 You know,

00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:18.500
 that last song

00:31:18.500 --> 00:31:19.579
 was just so right

00:31:19.579 --> 00:31:20.279
 and here's the reason

00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:20.839
 why it was right.

00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:23.299
 He didn't have to do that.

00:31:23.619 --> 00:31:24.119
 But man,

00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:24.819
 it sure makes,

00:31:25.059 --> 00:31:25.960
 it sure makes me know,

00:31:26.059 --> 00:31:26.259
 okay,

00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:27.299
 he's noticing,

00:31:27.299 --> 00:31:28.579
 that was helpful.

00:31:29.299 --> 00:31:29.740
 Um,

00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:31.460
 I'm happy to serve here.

00:31:32.099 --> 00:31:33.159
 That's what it does.

00:31:33.740 --> 00:31:34.180
 It just,

00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:34.559
 it,

00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:36.139
 it just tells you,

00:31:36.740 --> 00:31:37.059
 um,

00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.460
 it tells the,

00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:39.440
 the music leader

00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.399
 that they're seeing,

00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:42.419
 that they're appreciated,

00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:43.119
 they're valued,

00:31:43.259 --> 00:31:43.879
 and

00:31:43.879 --> 00:31:45.500
 when you give them

00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:46.279
 evaluation,

00:31:46.859 --> 00:31:48.119
 it tells them

00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:49.139
 how they can grow.

00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:51.079
 And again,

00:31:51.259 --> 00:31:51.519
 it's,

00:31:52.059 --> 00:31:53.299
 if we don't treat

00:31:53.299 --> 00:31:53.919
 those things

00:31:53.919 --> 00:31:55.680
 as heavy conversations,

00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:56.480
 but just as,

00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:56.920
 hey,

00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:57.140
 you know,

00:31:57.180 --> 00:31:57.740
 it'd be more helpful

00:31:57.740 --> 00:31:58.579
 if you did this.

00:31:59.099 --> 00:31:59.480
 That,

00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:00.519
 it just makes it

00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:01.160
 so much easier.

00:32:02.099 --> 00:32:02.839
 Saying nothing

00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:04.039
 for long periods of time

00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:04.779
 tempts me to think

00:32:04.779 --> 00:32:05.420
 that what I do

00:32:05.420 --> 00:32:06.160
 is unimportant,

00:32:06.380 --> 00:32:06.620
 wrong,

00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:07.240
 or unnecessary.

00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:08.779
 So there should be

00:32:08.779 --> 00:32:09.720
 an ongoing conversation.

00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:10.519
 Number three,

00:32:10.940 --> 00:32:12.079
 God intended singing

00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.279
 to be a means

00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:13.779
 of teaching

00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:14.519
 and admonishing.

00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:15.500
 So this is to balance

00:32:15.500 --> 00:32:16.120
 out before.

00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:18.000
 What I do

00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:19.279
 is more than a warm-up

00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:19.900
 for the sermon.

00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:21.000
 Singing's not just

00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:21.480
 a warm-up

00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:22.000
 for the sermon.

00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.480
 It's not just

00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:25.200
 to fill the time.

00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:25.720
 It's not just

00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:26.200
 to get people

00:32:26.200 --> 00:32:27.000
 emotionally excited.

00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:29.900
 It is a word ministry.

00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:31.900
 And you will serve me,

00:32:32.460 --> 00:32:32.920
 yourself,

00:32:33.059 --> 00:32:33.420
 the church,

00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:33.960
 and most importantly,

00:32:34.039 --> 00:32:34.539
 the Lord,

00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.360
 if you care as much

00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:37.840
 about the words we sing

00:32:37.840 --> 00:32:38.920
 as the words you preach.

00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:41.160
 So I want you to care

00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:42.319
 about what we're singing.

00:32:42.980 --> 00:32:43.519
 And by the way,

00:32:43.700 --> 00:32:44.880
 your favorite song

00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:45.960
 might not be the best song

00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:46.759
 for the church to sing.

00:32:47.700 --> 00:32:48.580
 And a song

00:32:48.580 --> 00:32:49.559
 that you might not

00:32:49.559 --> 00:32:50.420
 really like

00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:51.980
 might really bless

00:32:51.980 --> 00:32:52.559
 the church.

00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:53.440
 So we have these

00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:53.940
 conversations

00:32:53.940 --> 00:32:54.839
 on my pastoral team

00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:56.319
 where there'll be

00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:57.440
 certain songs

00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:58.059
 that two of my

00:32:58.059 --> 00:32:59.480
 pastor's friends

00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.220
 call happy clappy songs.

00:33:02.919 --> 00:33:03.859
 And that is how

00:33:03.859 --> 00:33:04.279
 they do it.

00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:06.919
 And I say,

00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:07.119
 yeah,

00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:08.639
 it always looks awkward

00:33:08.639 --> 00:33:09.339
 when you do it

00:33:09.339 --> 00:33:09.919
 like that.

00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:12.079
 But I've never seen

00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:12.779
 anybody in our

00:33:12.779 --> 00:33:13.619
 congregation do that.

00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:15.019
 They're all singing

00:33:15.019 --> 00:33:16.619
 the songs wholeheartedly.

00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:18.440
 And we joke

00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:19.059
 around a lot about it.

00:33:19.059 --> 00:33:21.159
 Number three,

00:33:21.399 --> 00:33:22.359
 God intended singing

00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.440
 to be a means of teaching

00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:23.819
 in a monastery.

00:33:23.919 --> 00:33:24.319
 I just did that.

00:33:24.379 --> 00:33:24.759
 Number four,

00:33:25.099 --> 00:33:26.740
 your example and engagement

00:33:26.740 --> 00:33:28.000
 when we sing

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.139
 says volumes

00:33:30.139 --> 00:33:31.559
 not only about

00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.019
 your support of me

00:33:33.019 --> 00:33:33.819
 but about your heart

00:33:33.819 --> 00:33:34.480
 to praise God

00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:35.159
 with the church.

00:33:35.919 --> 00:33:37.139
 So when the singing's

00:33:37.139 --> 00:33:37.519
 happening,

00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:38.339
 don't be looking

00:33:38.339 --> 00:33:39.019
 at your notes

00:33:39.019 --> 00:33:39.859
 the entire time.

00:33:40.099 --> 00:33:40.799
 Don't be looking

00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:41.599
 distracted.

00:33:42.279 --> 00:33:43.119
 Don't be folding

00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:43.839
 your arms

00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:44.579
 and just kind of

00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:45.720
 checking things out.

00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:47.639
 Humanly speaking,

00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.520
 the pastor is the leader

00:33:49.520 --> 00:33:51.060
 of the congregational worship

00:33:51.060 --> 00:33:53.120
 and people rarely rise

00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:54.240
 above the example

00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:54.940
 of their pastor.

00:33:55.380 --> 00:33:55.980
 They can

00:33:55.980 --> 00:33:58.460
 but it's not normal.

00:33:59.180 --> 00:33:59.680
 Number five,

00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:00.640
 I need your trust

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:01.560
 to lead effectively.

00:34:02.280 --> 00:34:03.280
 So we're partners

00:34:03.280 --> 00:34:04.180
 not competitors.

00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:05.060
 I'll lead better

00:34:05.060 --> 00:34:05.800
 if I know

00:34:05.800 --> 00:34:07.000
 I have your support.

00:34:07.120 --> 00:34:07.960
 If there are reasons

00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.180
 you can't trust me,

00:34:09.539 --> 00:34:10.340
 let me know.

00:34:11.059 --> 00:34:12.559
 I want your leadership

00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:13.579
 and input

00:34:13.579 --> 00:34:15.579
 but micromanaging

00:34:15.579 --> 00:34:16.099
 what I do

00:34:16.099 --> 00:34:17.159
 tends to negatively

00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.420
 affect my desire

00:34:18.420 --> 00:34:19.339
 to take initiative.

00:34:20.619 --> 00:34:22.559
 So this is a relationship

00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:23.159
 I have with CJ.

00:34:24.019 --> 00:34:24.639
 So I've known him

00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:25.279
 for 50 years

00:34:25.279 --> 00:34:26.239
 so there's a little bit

00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:26.960
 of trust built there.

00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:28.400
 But we'll talk

00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:29.019
 about something

00:34:29.019 --> 00:34:29.299
 and say,

00:34:29.380 --> 00:34:29.699
 well I think

00:34:29.699 --> 00:34:30.639
 it could go this way

00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:31.000
 and I say,

00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:31.440
 well I think

00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:32.079
 it could go this way

00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:33.279
 and he said,

00:34:33.339 --> 00:34:34.039
 what about this?

00:34:34.139 --> 00:34:34.980
 And he said,

00:34:35.059 --> 00:34:35.659
 well you know what,

00:34:35.819 --> 00:34:36.500
 you're the leader,

00:34:36.579 --> 00:34:37.179
 you make the decision.

00:34:38.619 --> 00:34:39.319
 That's like a,

00:34:39.619 --> 00:34:40.239
 wow really?

00:34:40.539 --> 00:34:40.739
 Yeah,

00:34:40.819 --> 00:34:41.719
 we've talked about it,

00:34:41.779 --> 00:34:42.599
 you know where I am,

00:34:42.799 --> 00:34:43.639
 I know where you are,

00:34:43.639 --> 00:34:44.719
 you know,

00:34:44.799 --> 00:34:45.659
 when you get to that moment

00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:46.480
 you make the decision.

00:34:46.739 --> 00:34:47.440
 That's huge.

00:34:48.259 --> 00:34:48.879
 You know for him to say,

00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.339
 I trust you with this.

00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:52.819
 So if I don't have your trust,

00:34:53.699 --> 00:34:54.819
 tell me how I can earn it.

00:34:56.139 --> 00:34:57.359
 Number six,

00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:58.279
 you don't have to be

00:34:58.279 --> 00:34:59.099
 musically trained

00:34:59.099 --> 00:34:59.619
 to help me do

00:34:59.619 --> 00:35:00.279
 what I do better.

00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:02.339
 A lot of pastors

00:35:02.339 --> 00:35:03.059
 they check out

00:35:03.059 --> 00:35:03.759
 because well I don't have

00:35:03.759 --> 00:35:04.659
 any music theory training,

00:35:04.739 --> 00:35:05.500
 I never took an instrument,

00:35:05.619 --> 00:35:06.420
 I can barely sing.

00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:07.339
 That's okay.

00:35:08.099 --> 00:35:08.980
 That doesn't mean

00:35:08.980 --> 00:35:10.000
 you can't tell me

00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:11.059
 how to pastor

00:35:11.059 --> 00:35:11.659
 a congregation

00:35:11.659 --> 00:35:13.199
 or how to communicate

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:14.019
 effectively

00:35:14.019 --> 00:35:14.759
 or how to make

00:35:14.759 --> 00:35:15.940
 theological connections

00:35:15.940 --> 00:35:16.779
 and if something

00:35:16.779 --> 00:35:18.259
 doesn't feel right to me,

00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:19.320
 just tell me,

00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:20.179
 we'll figure out

00:35:20.179 --> 00:35:20.799
 what it is,

00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:21.820
 just tell me

00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:22.880
 in your words

00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:24.219
 and we'll get

00:35:24.219 --> 00:35:24.880
 to the bottom

00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:26.179
 of what I can do

00:35:26.179 --> 00:35:27.039
 to change

00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:27.860
 that will solve

00:35:27.860 --> 00:35:28.500
 that problem.

00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:30.139
 But don't just check out

00:35:30.139 --> 00:35:31.039
 because you say,

00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:32.880
 well I'm not musical.

00:35:33.820 --> 00:35:34.900
 I might have to work hard

00:35:34.900 --> 00:35:35.360
 to understand

00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:35.940
 what you're saying,

00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:36.920
 you might use phrases

00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:37.420
 and words

00:35:37.420 --> 00:35:38.360
 that initially sound to me

00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:38.799
 like what,

00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:39.139
 what,

00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:39.500
 hey,

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:41.579
 but if I ask you more

00:35:41.579 --> 00:35:42.960
 I can get to the bottom

00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:43.739
 of what you're feeling

00:35:43.739 --> 00:35:45.139
 and there may be something

00:35:45.139 --> 00:35:45.880
 there for me to learn.

00:35:46.500 --> 00:35:47.000
 Number seven,

00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:48.039
 it would benefit

00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:48.699
 our relationship

00:35:48.699 --> 00:35:49.559
 and the church

00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:50.320
 if we occasionally

00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:51.440
 did things together

00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:53.659
 like go to a conference,

00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:55.340
 like read a book,

00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:57.219
 like read an article,

00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:58.260
 pray together.

00:35:59.420 --> 00:36:01.179
 I don't want to undermine you

00:36:01.179 --> 00:36:01.860
 by leading

00:36:01.860 --> 00:36:03.539
 in areas

00:36:03.539 --> 00:36:05.579
 you aren't fully convinced,

00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:06.380
 don't understand

00:36:06.380 --> 00:36:07.159
 or haven't thought about.

00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:08.619
 I want us to be

00:36:08.619 --> 00:36:09.339
 on the same page

00:36:09.339 --> 00:36:09.819
 in this.

00:36:10.699 --> 00:36:11.519
 My ministry

00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:12.839
 will be more effective

00:36:12.839 --> 00:36:13.819
 if I know

00:36:13.819 --> 00:36:14.559
 your heart

00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:15.359
 for this church,

00:36:15.899 --> 00:36:16.539
 if I know

00:36:16.539 --> 00:36:17.259
 your vision

00:36:17.259 --> 00:36:18.920
 and I need

00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:19.500
 and want

00:36:19.500 --> 00:36:20.359
 your perspectives

00:36:20.359 --> 00:36:21.960
 on topics

00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:22.879
 or areas

00:36:22.879 --> 00:36:24.299
 that are popular

00:36:24.299 --> 00:36:25.719
 in worship conversations

00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:26.519
 of the church.

00:36:26.779 --> 00:36:26.980
 So,

00:36:27.359 --> 00:36:27.500
 you know,

00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:28.079
 we're surrounded

00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:29.099
 by this world

00:36:29.099 --> 00:36:30.440
 of thoughts

00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:31.179
 and ideas

00:36:31.179 --> 00:36:31.960
 and opinions

00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:33.379
 and they're just everywhere.

00:36:34.059 --> 00:36:34.199
 Well,

00:36:34.219 --> 00:36:34.980
 I would love to know

00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:36.019
 what you think about them.

00:36:36.019 --> 00:36:37.039
 that will help me

00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:37.920
 as I make decisions.

00:36:38.280 --> 00:36:38.659
 A lot of times

00:36:38.659 --> 00:36:39.219
 these conversations

00:36:39.219 --> 00:36:40.000
 just aren't happening.

00:36:40.659 --> 00:36:40.820
 So,

00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:41.500
 if you're a musician

00:36:41.500 --> 00:36:42.599
 and your pastor

00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:43.239
 is not having them,

00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:44.500
 it would help you

00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:45.259
 and help him

00:36:45.259 --> 00:36:46.000
 to say,

00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:46.579
 hey,

00:36:46.699 --> 00:36:47.639
 let's talk about

00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:48.340
 some of these things.

00:36:48.759 --> 00:36:49.199
 Let's watch

00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:50.119
 this YouTube video.

00:36:50.179 --> 00:36:50.639
 What do you think

00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:51.139
 about that?

00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:52.239
 Let's read this article.

00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:52.860
 What do you think

00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:53.380
 about that?

00:36:53.659 --> 00:36:54.280
 And just come

00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:55.179
 to a consensus

00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:56.440
 of where the church

00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:56.960
 should be led.

00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:58.039
 Number eight,

00:36:58.119 --> 00:36:58.679
 when you encourage

00:36:58.679 --> 00:36:59.519
 and pay attention

00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.360
 to the band members,

00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:01.179
 you build trust.

00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:03.199
 I kind of commented

00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:03.639
 on that

00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:05.980
 with CJ's encouragement.

00:37:06.819 --> 00:37:07.859
 We thrive

00:37:07.859 --> 00:37:08.639
 in an atmosphere

00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:09.719
 of encouragement

00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.480
 and your words

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:12.019
 of thanks

00:37:12.019 --> 00:37:12.960
 carry more weight

00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:13.400
 than you know.

00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:14.099
 Another thing

00:37:14.099 --> 00:37:15.099
 a pastor can do

00:37:15.099 --> 00:37:16.619
 is reference songs

00:37:16.619 --> 00:37:17.539
 that have been sung

00:37:17.539 --> 00:37:18.139
 in the meeting.

00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:19.259
 You know how

00:37:19.259 --> 00:37:20.059
 we just sang?

00:37:20.839 --> 00:37:21.039
 You know how

00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:21.420
 we just sang?

00:37:21.659 --> 00:37:22.839
 That just gives people

00:37:22.839 --> 00:37:23.219
 the awareness

00:37:23.219 --> 00:37:23.440
 that,

00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:23.759
 oh,

00:37:23.839 --> 00:37:24.179
 we're doing

00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:25.259
 the same thing here.

00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:26.400
 Like,

00:37:26.500 --> 00:37:26.980
 we're singing

00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:27.519
 these truths,

00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:28.139
 now we're just

00:37:28.139 --> 00:37:28.960
 hearing about them

00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:29.519
 from the word.

00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.759
 But it's the same thing.

00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.580
 Number ten,

00:37:35.640 --> 00:37:36.340
 if I'm a volunteer,

00:37:36.620 --> 00:37:37.300
 I may not have time

00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:37.760
 to do everything

00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:38.480
 you want me to do.

00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:38.900
 Oh,

00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:39.040
 actually,

00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:39.680
 I skipped number nine.

00:37:40.520 --> 00:37:41.500
 If I'm full-time,

00:37:41.620 --> 00:37:42.480
 I'd rather know you

00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:43.480
 as a pastor and friend

00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:44.080
 than a manager

00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:44.840
 or a supervisor

00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:46.760
 if I'm full-time.

00:37:47.980 --> 00:37:49.000
 The occasional meal,

00:37:49.540 --> 00:37:49.880
 email,

00:37:50.940 --> 00:37:51.980
 question about my life

00:37:51.980 --> 00:37:52.780
 goes a long way

00:37:52.780 --> 00:37:54.020
 towards building trust.

00:37:55.300 --> 00:37:56.300
 You can think of me

00:37:56.300 --> 00:37:57.100
 as an employee

00:37:57.100 --> 00:37:57.860
 if you like,

00:37:58.340 --> 00:38:00.160
 but Jesus is building

00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:00.620
 a church,

00:38:00.700 --> 00:38:01.420
 not a business.

00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:03.080
 And I'd love

00:38:03.080 --> 00:38:04.200
 to be a friend

00:38:04.200 --> 00:38:04.620
 to you,

00:38:04.720 --> 00:38:05.520
 a supportive friend

00:38:05.520 --> 00:38:06.020
 to you.

00:38:06.980 --> 00:38:07.800
 And if you give me

00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:09.180
 significant responsibility

00:38:09.180 --> 00:38:10.140
 in leading the church

00:38:10.140 --> 00:38:10.800
 each Sunday,

00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:11.940
 it's to your advantage

00:38:11.940 --> 00:38:12.800
 to know me well.

00:38:15.580 --> 00:38:15.860
 All right,

00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:16.420
 number ten,

00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:17.200
 if I'm a volunteer,

00:38:17.460 --> 00:38:18.300
 I may not have time

00:38:18.300 --> 00:38:18.780
 to do everything

00:38:18.780 --> 00:38:19.480
 you want me to do.

00:38:21.620 --> 00:38:22.320
 If I'm not

00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.440
 a full-time staff member,

00:38:23.540 --> 00:38:24.200
 you may need

00:38:24.200 --> 00:38:25.500
 to lower your expectations

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:26.860
 in terms of what

00:38:26.860 --> 00:38:27.840
 I can actually accomplish.

00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:29.160
 I want to serve you

00:38:29.160 --> 00:38:30.060
 and the church,

00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:32.299
 so I may need help

00:38:32.299 --> 00:38:33.199
 keeping my family

00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:33.940
 a priority.

00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:35.699
 Because, you know,

00:38:35.759 --> 00:38:37.119
 some volunteers

00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:38.739
 do too much,

00:38:39.480 --> 00:38:40.820
 but other volunteers,

00:38:41.019 --> 00:38:41.500
 there's too much

00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:42.619
 expected of them.

00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:43.619
 So again,

00:38:43.739 --> 00:38:44.360
 conversations

00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.360
 help work that out.

00:38:46.099 --> 00:38:46.900
 How much can you

00:38:46.900 --> 00:38:47.659
 actually give?

00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:48.840
 I had a guy

00:38:48.840 --> 00:38:49.940
 email you years ago

00:38:49.940 --> 00:38:50.420
 and just say,

00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:50.639
 yeah,

00:38:50.699 --> 00:38:51.699
 I orchestrate our songs

00:38:51.699 --> 00:38:52.199
 for the church.

00:38:52.279 --> 00:38:52.840
 I just found out

00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:53.779
 my wife had cancer.

00:38:53.780 --> 00:38:55.240
 And so I'm struggling

00:38:55.240 --> 00:38:55.640
 with, like,

00:38:55.680 --> 00:38:56.760
 how can I keep

00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:57.700
 this thing going

00:38:57.700 --> 00:38:58.380
 with the church?

00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:58.860
 How can I keep

00:38:58.860 --> 00:38:59.720
 doing the orchestrations

00:38:59.720 --> 00:39:01.120
 and take care of her?

00:39:01.300 --> 00:39:01.980
 I just emailed

00:39:01.980 --> 00:39:02.820
 right back and said,

00:39:03.600 --> 00:39:05.120
 I'm not sure

00:39:05.120 --> 00:39:05.840
 I didn't say it like this,

00:39:05.900 --> 00:39:06.600
 but God couldn't care

00:39:06.600 --> 00:39:07.300
 less about your

00:39:07.300 --> 00:39:08.320
 instrumentations,

00:39:08.420 --> 00:39:09.000
 your orchestrations.

00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:10.460
 Care for your wife.

00:39:11.740 --> 00:39:12.800
 Those don't make

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:13.300
 the meaning.

00:39:14.160 --> 00:39:15.300
 And you'd be surprised

00:39:15.300 --> 00:39:16.320
 how often we

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.180
 develop these ways

00:39:18.180 --> 00:39:18.740
 of thinking

00:39:18.740 --> 00:39:19.500
 where the

00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:21.160
 lesser important things

00:39:21.160 --> 00:39:22.060
 become really

00:39:22.060 --> 00:39:23.200
 important to us.

00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.719
 let's always be

00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:26.259
 going back

00:39:26.259 --> 00:39:26.759
 and checking

00:39:26.759 --> 00:39:27.839
 what are the

00:39:27.839 --> 00:39:28.839
 most important things?

00:39:28.919 --> 00:39:29.359
 What are the

00:39:29.359 --> 00:39:30.039
 most important things?

00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:31.179
 So if I'm a

00:39:31.179 --> 00:39:32.099
 part-time leader,

00:39:32.419 --> 00:39:33.559
 I will need your

00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:35.659
 help in understanding

00:39:35.659 --> 00:39:36.879
 where my priorities

00:39:36.879 --> 00:39:37.819
 should be.

00:39:38.500 --> 00:39:39.039
 Number 11,

00:39:39.219 --> 00:39:40.639
 including good sound,

00:39:40.939 --> 00:39:41.359
 projection,

00:39:41.599 --> 00:39:41.980
 and lighting

00:39:41.980 --> 00:39:42.639
 in the budget

00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:44.599
 is really helpful.

00:39:45.659 --> 00:39:46.319
 Communicates your

00:39:46.319 --> 00:39:47.219
 support and serves

00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:47.799
 the church.

00:39:48.480 --> 00:39:49.460
 Things wear out,

00:39:49.619 --> 00:39:50.319
 things break,

00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:51.739
 technology improves.

00:39:51.739 --> 00:39:53.399
 we can get more

00:39:53.399 --> 00:39:54.259
 for less than

00:39:54.259 --> 00:39:55.019
 ever before,

00:39:55.139 --> 00:39:55.879
 and some issues

00:39:55.879 --> 00:39:57.059
 can only be solved

00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:58.379
 by spending money.

00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:00.179
 And that's just

00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:00.779
 a reality.

00:40:00.979 --> 00:40:01.859
 With sound,

00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:03.259
 instruments,

00:40:04.919 --> 00:40:05.159
 yeah,

00:40:05.359 --> 00:40:07.039
 that's what happens.

00:40:07.399 --> 00:40:08.299
 Challenge me if you

00:40:08.299 --> 00:40:08.879
 think my goals

00:40:08.879 --> 00:40:09.599
 are unrealistic,

00:40:10.339 --> 00:40:11.699
 but let's at least

00:40:11.699 --> 00:40:12.579
 have a conversation.

00:40:13.319 --> 00:40:13.619
 And again,

00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:14.279
 depending on the

00:40:14.279 --> 00:40:15.119
 individual circumstance,

00:40:15.419 --> 00:40:16.299
 that conversation

00:40:16.299 --> 00:40:17.119
 may look very different.

00:40:17.759 --> 00:40:18.399
 You have musicians

00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:20.099
 who never even

00:40:20.099 --> 00:40:20.920
 give a thought to it,

00:40:21.460 --> 00:40:22.139
 and then you have

00:40:22.139 --> 00:40:23.019
 musicians who want

00:40:23.019 --> 00:40:24.639
 every new latest gadget

00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:25.340
 that's out there.

00:40:27.160 --> 00:40:27.740
 And then you have

00:40:27.740 --> 00:40:28.099
 pastors.

00:40:28.539 --> 00:40:29.700
 Usually pastors aren't,

00:40:29.940 --> 00:40:30.500
 well, they just don't

00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:31.099
 want to spend a lot

00:40:31.099 --> 00:40:31.360
 of money.

00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:33.700
 That's kind of

00:40:33.700 --> 00:40:34.440
 the general category.

00:40:35.260 --> 00:40:36.480
 And so just having

00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:37.220
 that conversation,

00:40:37.579 --> 00:40:38.320
 we just went through

00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:39.920
 a thing at our church

00:40:39.920 --> 00:40:40.800
 where we had a,

00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:42.440
 there's a brother

00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:43.099
 in the Sovereign

00:40:43.099 --> 00:40:44.720
 Church in Pennsylvania

00:40:44.720 --> 00:40:45.880
 who runs a sound

00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:46.180
 company.

00:40:46.179 --> 00:40:47.379
 He had a set

00:40:47.379 --> 00:40:47.980
 of speakers

00:40:47.980 --> 00:40:50.339
 that he wasn't

00:40:50.339 --> 00:40:51.119
 able to,

00:40:52.579 --> 00:40:53.079
 he was going to

00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:53.699
 install them in a

00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:54.179
 building and they

00:40:54.179 --> 00:40:54.839
 didn't need them

00:40:54.839 --> 00:40:55.879
 after all,

00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:56.779
 couldn't get them.

00:40:57.159 --> 00:40:57.519
 So he said,

00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:58.480
 hey, can I install

00:40:58.480 --> 00:40:59.460
 them in your building

00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:00.779
 and you can just

00:41:00.779 --> 00:41:01.480
 kind of have them

00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.739
 there to try out.

00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:07.159
 And maybe you

00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:07.859
 could either rent

00:41:07.859 --> 00:41:09.579
 them or pay for

00:41:09.579 --> 00:41:10.179
 them eventually.

00:41:10.759 --> 00:41:11.500
 He was just kind

00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:14.859
 of vague about it.

00:41:15.099 --> 00:41:15.480
 And I said,

00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:16.199
 well, yeah, sure,

00:41:16.300 --> 00:41:16.820
 if you want to

00:41:16.820 --> 00:41:19.000
 install some new

00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:19.740
 speakers in our

00:41:19.740 --> 00:41:20.699
 building, great.

00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:22.599
 That we don't have

00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:23.940
 to be committed

00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:24.740
 to to buy,

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:25.820
 yeah, I'm all in.

00:41:26.460 --> 00:41:27.719
 So a couple years

00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:28.940
 went by and

00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:30.139
 actually installed

00:41:30.139 --> 00:41:30.900
 one more speaker

00:41:30.900 --> 00:41:31.480
 after that.

00:41:32.139 --> 00:41:32.940
 And it turns out

00:41:32.940 --> 00:41:33.500
 he had been waiting

00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:34.119
 for a couple big

00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:35.219
 jobs to come through

00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:36.539
 and he was intending

00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:37.699
 to give them to us.

00:41:37.699 --> 00:41:40.919
 and those jobs

00:41:40.919 --> 00:41:41.500
 didn't come through.

00:41:42.460 --> 00:41:43.839
 So he emailed me

00:41:43.839 --> 00:41:44.779
 and said, hey,

00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:47.299
 you know, this is

00:41:47.299 --> 00:41:47.779
 what happened.

00:41:48.239 --> 00:41:48.759
 These jobs didn't

00:41:48.759 --> 00:41:49.099
 come through.

00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:50.259
 So could we establish

00:41:50.259 --> 00:41:51.599
 some kind of, you

00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:52.719
 know, payback plan?

00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:54.739
 And so then I brought

00:41:54.739 --> 00:41:55.639
 it to the elders.

00:41:56.460 --> 00:41:57.079
 So this would be

00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:57.899
 seven other guys

00:41:57.899 --> 00:41:59.359
 and said, hey,

00:41:59.359 --> 00:42:01.480
 this is the deal.

00:42:02.219 --> 00:42:03.139
 This is what he's

00:42:03.139 --> 00:42:03.500
 asking.

00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:05.440
 And, you know,

00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:06.440
 could we manage

00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:07.300
 some kind of,

00:42:07.300 --> 00:42:08.099
 you know, payment

00:42:08.099 --> 00:42:08.800
 per month?

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:12.139
 And someone suggested,

00:42:12.380 --> 00:42:13.000
 hey, why don't we

00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:13.880
 just take it from,

00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:14.539
 we have a building

00:42:14.539 --> 00:42:14.900
 fund.

00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:15.900
 Why don't we just

00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:16.300
 take it from the

00:42:16.300 --> 00:42:16.980
 building fund and

00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:17.599
 give them the whole

00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:18.579
 amount and then

00:42:18.579 --> 00:42:19.079
 give them like,

00:42:19.420 --> 00:42:20.039
 you know, $3,500

00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:20.559
 extra.

00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:24.340
 And I can't tell you

00:42:24.340 --> 00:42:25.320
 how happy that email

00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:26.019
 made me feel.

00:42:26.980 --> 00:42:28.960
 It's like, wow.

00:42:29.260 --> 00:42:29.980
 And I can't tell you

00:42:29.980 --> 00:42:30.840
 how happy it made

00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:32.039
 the guy feel

00:42:32.039 --> 00:42:33.619
 when he got my

00:42:33.619 --> 00:42:34.139
 response.

00:42:34.619 --> 00:42:35.400
 Hey, we're not only

00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:37.199
 not paying you back

00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:37.880
 month to month,

00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:38.380
 we're paying you

00:42:38.380 --> 00:42:38.860
 the whole thing

00:42:38.860 --> 00:42:39.480
 and we'll give you

00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:40.400
 an extra $3,500.

00:42:42.860 --> 00:42:43.699
 But it was that

00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:45.279
 kind of leaning

00:42:45.279 --> 00:42:46.500
 forward to the

00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:48.099
 guy saying, yeah,

00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:48.860
 these are serving

00:42:48.860 --> 00:42:49.179
 us.

00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:50.019
 Yeah, this serves

00:42:50.019 --> 00:42:50.440
 the preacher,

00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:50.900
 it serves the

00:42:50.900 --> 00:42:53.000
 music, and we

00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:53.619
 want to bless this

00:42:53.619 --> 00:42:53.800
 guy.

00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:55.199
 Isn't that that

00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:55.599
 heart of the

00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:55.940
 gospel?

00:42:56.460 --> 00:42:57.179
 It's just always

00:42:57.179 --> 00:42:58.320
 giving, giving.

00:42:58.579 --> 00:42:58.900
 You know, the

00:42:58.900 --> 00:43:00.219
 Lord Jesus, for our

00:43:00.219 --> 00:43:00.880
 sake he became

00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:01.659
 poor so that we

00:43:01.659 --> 00:43:02.019
 might become

00:43:02.019 --> 00:43:02.699
 rich through

00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:02.900
 him.

00:43:03.300 --> 00:43:03.860
 Not in a

00:43:03.860 --> 00:43:04.699
 financial sense,

00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:05.259
 but in a way

00:43:05.259 --> 00:43:06.119
 that we know

00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.179
 that in all

00:43:07.179 --> 00:43:07.639
 things at all

00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:08.119
 times he will

00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:08.860
 provide all that

00:43:08.860 --> 00:43:11.039
 we need so that

00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:11.559
 we might be

00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:12.300
 generous to

00:43:12.300 --> 00:43:12.659
 others.

00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:14.519
 So it was just

00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:14.940
 a wonderful

00:43:14.940 --> 00:43:16.139
 recent experience.

00:43:17.619 --> 00:43:18.800
 Okay, benefits

00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:19.599
 of being a team,

00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:21.300
 and then we're

00:43:21.300 --> 00:43:21.920
 going to sing a

00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:22.619
 song, I think,

00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:24.159
 that has nothing

00:43:24.159 --> 00:43:25.059
 to do with this,

00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:25.639
 but we are going

00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:26.159
 to sing one song.

00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:27.079
 Take a quick

00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:27.780
 break and then

00:43:27.780 --> 00:43:28.559
 do a Q&A.

00:43:30.099 --> 00:43:31.159
 One, more gets

00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:32.039
 done when

00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:32.420
 you're a team.

00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:33.679
 It's just more

00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:34.359
 gets done.

00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.139
 Ecclesiastes 4,

00:43:37.259 --> 00:43:38.000
 9 and 10, two

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:38.480
 are better than

00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:39.579
 one because they

00:43:39.579 --> 00:43:40.319
 have a good

00:43:40.319 --> 00:43:41.019
 reward for their

00:43:41.019 --> 00:43:41.319
 toil.

00:43:41.899 --> 00:43:42.460
 For if they

00:43:42.460 --> 00:43:43.859
 fall, the one

00:43:43.859 --> 00:43:44.619
 will lift up

00:43:44.619 --> 00:43:45.719
 his fellow, but

00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:46.679
 woe to him who

00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:47.440
 is alone when he

00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:48.500
 falls and has not

00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:49.399
 another to lift

00:43:49.399 --> 00:43:49.779
 him up.

00:43:50.819 --> 00:43:52.219
 It really is

00:43:52.219 --> 00:43:52.679
 better.

00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:54.719
 Any kind of

00:43:54.719 --> 00:43:55.579
 ministry that you're

00:43:55.579 --> 00:43:56.379
 in right now, if

00:43:56.379 --> 00:43:57.599
 you're full-time, if

00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:58.059
 you're thinking about

00:43:58.059 --> 00:43:59.039
 becoming full-time, if

00:43:59.039 --> 00:43:59.920
 you're a volunteer, if

00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:00.440
 you're just a member

00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:01.659
 of the team, any

00:44:01.659 --> 00:44:02.700
 kind of work you're

00:44:02.700 --> 00:44:03.460
 doing to serve the

00:44:03.460 --> 00:44:04.440
 church is better with

00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:05.079
 someone else.

00:44:06.539 --> 00:44:07.740
 We're just not doing

00:44:07.740 --> 00:44:08.619
 this to get a name

00:44:08.619 --> 00:44:10.019
 for ourselves, to

00:44:10.019 --> 00:44:11.180
 impress everybody with

00:44:11.180 --> 00:44:11.800
 our skills.

00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:14.139
 We get to do it

00:44:14.139 --> 00:44:15.180
 together because of

00:44:15.180 --> 00:44:16.159
 what the Lord Jesus

00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:17.760
 has done for us.

00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:19.720
 Two, another benefit,

00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:20.539
 you have multiple

00:44:20.539 --> 00:44:21.260
 perspectives.

00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:23.680
 No one gets it

00:44:23.680 --> 00:44:24.519
 right all the time.

00:44:25.720 --> 00:44:26.480
 And you want to

00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:28.460
 work together to

00:44:28.460 --> 00:44:29.159
 determine what's

00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:29.420
 best.

00:44:29.699 --> 00:44:30.099
 I mean, I've been

00:44:30.099 --> 00:44:32.339
 doing this for a

00:44:32.339 --> 00:44:33.019
 long time.

00:44:34.019 --> 00:44:36.259
 And so I can slip

00:44:36.259 --> 00:44:37.239
 into the mentality

00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:37.960
 of, well, you know,

00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:38.739
 I teach on this

00:44:38.739 --> 00:44:39.119
 stuff.

00:44:39.980 --> 00:44:40.579
 You know, of course

00:44:40.579 --> 00:44:41.319
 I'm always right.

00:44:42.059 --> 00:44:42.559
 You know what

00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:43.859
 Proverbs says about a

00:44:43.859 --> 00:44:44.679
 man who's always

00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:45.199
 right in his own

00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:45.500
 eyes?

00:44:45.839 --> 00:44:46.379
 There's more hope

00:44:46.379 --> 00:44:47.119
 for a fool than

00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:47.539
 for him.

00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:49.199
 See, a man who's

00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:49.799
 wise in his own

00:44:49.799 --> 00:44:50.299
 eyes, there's more

00:44:50.299 --> 00:44:50.940
 hope for a fool

00:44:50.940 --> 00:44:51.460
 than for him.

00:44:52.019 --> 00:44:52.659
 Whoever trusts

00:44:52.659 --> 00:44:53.759
 his own mind is a

00:44:53.759 --> 00:44:54.460
 fool, but he who

00:44:54.460 --> 00:44:55.099
 walks in wisdom

00:44:55.099 --> 00:44:55.819
 will be delivered.

00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:59.480
 Woe to those

00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:00.180
 who are wise in

00:45:00.180 --> 00:45:00.820
 their own eyes

00:45:00.820 --> 00:45:01.800
 and shrewd in

00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:02.400
 their own sight.

00:45:03.120 --> 00:45:04.340
 I have these in

00:45:04.340 --> 00:45:05.280
 my mind and heart

00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.220
 because I am so

00:45:06.220 --> 00:45:07.120
 prone to being wise

00:45:07.120 --> 00:45:07.720
 in my own eyes.

00:45:08.500 --> 00:45:09.240
 And we don't want

00:45:09.240 --> 00:45:09.800
 to be wise in

00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:10.120
 our own eyes.

00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:12.180
 Work together to

00:45:12.180 --> 00:45:12.860
 determine what's

00:45:12.860 --> 00:45:13.059
 best.

00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:13.880
 This is a quote

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 from Alan Ross's

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 book, Recalling

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 the Hope of Glory,

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 which if you want

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 a theology on

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 worship in the

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 Old Testament,

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 fantastic.

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 It's called

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 Recalling the Hope

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 of Glory by

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 Alan Ross.

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 He says,

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 there is so much

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 in the Bible

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 about worship

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 activities that

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 there is no reason

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 for any church to

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 limit itself to a

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 set pattern that

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 appeals to only one

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 segment of the

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 congregation.

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 Worship in the

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 Bible in both

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 Testaments was

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 varied in form,

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 content, purpose,

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 and mood.

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 If the church

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 wants to draw out

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 the richness of

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 worship, it will

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 strive for greater

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 variation within the

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 proper forms,

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 and a greater

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 balance in

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 structured and

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 free worship.

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 In other words,

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 saying, if you do

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 it just like the

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 pastor wants or

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 just like the

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 worship leader wants,

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 that's probably not

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 going to be the

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 best situation.

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 You need

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 perspectives of

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 both, and

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 probably more

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 people, to

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 really do what

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 is going to be

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 best for the

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 church.

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 And finally,

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 of course, God

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 receives more

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 glory when we're

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 working together,

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 when we're working

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 with the people

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 around us.

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 The worship of

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 God in your

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 church is not

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 ultimately dependent

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 on a worship

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 leader or the

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 pastor, but on

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 God's grace,

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 working through

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 humble servants

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 who would desire

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 his glory above

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 all.

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 So we end with

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 this.

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 May the God of

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 endurance and

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 encouragement grant

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 you to live in

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 such harmony with

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 one another in

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 accord with Christ

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 Jesus that together

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 you may with one

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 voice glorify the

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 God and Father of

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 our Lord Jesus

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 Christ.

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 Father, we thank

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 you for the

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 opportunity to

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 consider these

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 things.

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 We pray that you

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 would enable us by

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 your spirit to

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 enjoy the things

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 that you have

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 given us, the

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 opportunities you

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 have given us,

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 and to make us

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 more easy to work

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 with.

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 Father, would you

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 do that for your

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 glory?

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 We pray in Jesus'

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 name.

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 Amen.