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 Well, good evening. My name's Elder Brown. I'm from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on Collington Road.

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 Well, actually, you'll be glad to know that's not the case. I'm just checking you're awake on a Sunday afternoon.

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 I'm Andrew Brown. I have the privilege to attend a Charlotte Chapel church plant, Christ Church Queensferry in Queensferry.

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 And I've been asked to come and share with you a little about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

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 And I'd like to start out by admitting I'm not an expert in Mormon theology, but I do have a little experience in the area.

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 I once attended the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses in Edinburgh.

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 And after God opened my eyes to that false teaching, he gave me a real heart to reach out to those who would profess belief in Jesus,

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 but also deny what God has revealed about himself in the scripture.

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 So, before we dive into their beliefs, let's turn to God once more in prayer.

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 Lord, as we examine false teaching about who you are and what you've done, may it drive us ever closer to you.

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 God, help us to be like those Bereans in Acts 17, who were searching the scriptures daily to find out if what Paul taught them was true.

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 Lord, help us to accept that even our righteous deeds are like filthy rags before you, a perfectly holy God.

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 But despite our condition, we thank you that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

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 Father, help us to have right motives when we engage those of a different faith.

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 Help us to view them like Jesus, a sheep without a shepherd, and have compassion on them.

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 God, drive out that desire to win arguments.

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 Help us to remember that there's a soul at stake.

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 Lord, give us energy and attentiveness this evening.

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 Help me accurately represent the beliefs and teachings of the LDS Church.

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 And I ask that our time together would bring you glory.

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 And that in coming days and years, there will be conversations that would lead to salvation.

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 In Jesus' name. Amen.

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 Amen.

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 Well, to put you at ease after telling you I was from the LDS Church, maybe I'll put your minds at rest by reading a Spurgeon quote.

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 This is what he said.

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 If a crooked stick is before you, you need not explain how crooked it is.

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 Lay a straight one down beside it, and the work is well done.

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 Preach the truth, and error will stand abashed in its presence.

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 That kind of, I think, illustrates my attitude to dealing with those of a different faith.

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 You don't need to know exactly what they believe to share the truth with them.

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 That being said, I think sessions like this are useful.

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 Because if you know some of the preconceptions that are in their mind when you use certain terms,

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 it will help you share the truth with them.

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 You'll probably have bumped into young missionaries like the ones on the screen.

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 Though, maybe not recently because of COVID.

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 I've found how they're getting their message out as offering you free books of Mormon on social media.

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 But, if you did meet them, or bump into them in person,

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 they'll be wearing those little black badges, and they'll say,

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 Elder, or Sister, so and so.

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 The male missionaries are here for about two years,

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 and the female missionaries come for about 18 months.

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 So, why bother sharing the gospel with them?

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 Because if you chat to them, they'll say,

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 Of course, I'm a Christian just like you.

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 I believe in Jesus.

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 Jesus, I've accepted the gospel.

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 Well, I hope by the time we're finished this evening,

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 you'll have some idea why I believe they really need the gospel.

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 To set the scene with me,

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 imagine I come and tell you,

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 I really know Graham Shanks.

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 We agree, of course, he's the pastor of this church.

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 Absolutely.

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 No argument there.

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 No disagreement.

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 If I can be so bold,

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 I know I'm better than you do.

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 He's got fiery ginger hair.

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 He's seven foot tall.

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 Lives in Holyrood Palace.

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 And he even keeps a pet tiger.

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 Well, do I really know Graham?

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 I'm saying I know him.

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 We've both already agreed he's the pastor.

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 But does the way I'm describing to you show I really know him?

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 Or am I describing something that's based kind of in reality,

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 but let's face it, that's not Graham, is it?

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 So, I'd like to bring you to the words that Jesus said in John 8, 24.

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 He said this,

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 Unless you believe that I am,

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 you will die in your sin.

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 What we believe about Jesus really matters.

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 It's the difference between life and death.

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 These folks, they're putting their trust in Jesus.

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 A Jesus that I would argue does not exist.

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 And personally, that breaks my heart.

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 For me,

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 and don't get,

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 all of us need salvation.

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 But these people will go to eternity.

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 And I believe they will be the ones that may hear,

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 Lord, Lord,

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 did we not in your name do many marvelous works?

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 And they'll say,

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 I never knew.

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 Because they're not putting their trust

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 in the Jesus that is revealed in Scripture.

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 A Jesus that is invented in a human's mind

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 cannot save you.

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 Now, please don't mishear me when I say that.

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 It is not having a perfect theological understanding

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 of Jesus or who God is that will save you.

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 That's impossible with our human minds.

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 We're talking about an infinite God.

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 But if we're denying truth

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 that he has revealed to us,

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 how can we really be saying we're worshiping?

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 Jesus said also in John,

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 we must worship God in spirit and in truth.

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 As I understand it,

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 that's saying we must worship God

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 for who he has revealed himself to be.

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 We cannot, as I said earlier,

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 worship God and reject what he has revealed

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 about himself to us.

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 So where does that leave us here in Edinburgh?

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 There's lots of people who have lots of opinions

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 about who Jesus is.

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 You'll be hearing about some of them

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 as you go through your series.

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 We have Islam that teaches Jesus is only a prophet.

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 He's not the son of God.

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 He didn't die on a cross.

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 Likewise, Jehovah's Witnesses teach that Jesus isn't God.

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 Rather, they teach he's the Archangel Michael

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 in human form.

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 Which brings us to what the focus of our topic is tonight.

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 What is the LDS view of God?

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 There are many things we could discuss.

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 You'll see some of them on the slide just there.

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 We could talk about Joseph Smith's history.

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 We could talk about the polygamy in the church.

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 That might be quite interesting.

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 We could even talk about the odd underwear

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 they choose to wear.

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 Or the secret handshakes that they've nicked

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 from the Freemasons.

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 While all these might be very interesting topics,

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 and I'd enjoy chatting to you about them,

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 these are not the heart of the issue.

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 I believe the main focus of any evangelism encounter,

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 in fact, any gospel-centered conversation you have,

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 should have these two things involved.

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 Who is God?

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 And what is the gospel?

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 Due to our limited time,

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 I'll really only have time to unpack

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 the first of these questions.

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 But I'd like to give you a little flavor

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 of how they view the gospel.

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 I don't think I'm being unfair

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 if I describe what they believe

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 as works-based righteousness.

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 The Book of Mormon said God saves you

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 after all you can do.

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 And just a little plug for a YouTube site

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 I really like, Lutheran Satire,

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 you should check out their video

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 on the Mormon gospel.

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 I think you'll get a little laugh.

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 But ultimately, there is a really serious message there.

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 Salvation after all we can do

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 is no gospel at all.

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 Joseph Smith, when he translated Romans 4 or 5,

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 turned it totally on its head.

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 He said, God does not justify the ungodly.

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 We're doomed if that's the case.

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 We have no hope if that's the case.

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 But before we understand how we approach God,

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 we probably need to know who he is.

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 So what I'd like to focus on tonight is

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 what is the LDS view,

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 or the Latter-day Saint view, of God?

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 You'll see their own website on the screen behind me.

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 I'd just like to read it to you.

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 Latter-day Saints view members of the Godhead

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 in a manner that corresponds in a number of ways

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 with the views of others in the Christian world.

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 Both significant differences.

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 Latter-day Saints pray to God the Father

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 in the name of Jesus Christ.

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 They acknowledge the Father

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 as the ultimate object of their worship,

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 the Son as Lord and Redeemer,

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 and the Holy Spirit as the messenger

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 and revelator of the Father and the Son.

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 But where the Latter-day Saints differ

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 from other Christian religions

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 is in their belief that God and Jesus Christ

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 are glorified physical beings,

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 and that each member of the Godhead

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 is a separate being.

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 I've highlighted some words

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 from what I've just read,

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 because I want you to pay particular attention,

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 because probably quite a lot of you thought,

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 even me at first reading went,

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 fair enough,

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 nothing overly controversial there, right?

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 Sounds pretty legitimate.

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 But what I want you to notice is,

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 and I'll stop at this several times,

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 if you don't get,

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 if you don't define your terms,

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 you can find yourself agreeing to a lot

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 that you don't actually agree to.

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 So how would an LDS person define being here?

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 Well, quite straightforward, they mean God.

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 So the LDS view of the Godhead

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 is there are three separate gods,

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 all who have their own physical bodies,

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 who are part of the Godhead

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 because they work together.

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 So,

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 how does that differ from what we believe?

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 Forgive me for taking the time to clarify it,

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 but I think it is important.

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 Because rather than the Father,

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 the Son, and the Holy Spirit

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 being all distinct persons,

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 but by one nature God,

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 they believe they're all separate gods.

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 I know I've probably dived in quite deep,

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 quite quickly.

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 So please,

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 allow me to conduct this little thought experiment,

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 and hopefully the slide behind us

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 will keep us where we need to be.

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 If you are up for it,

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 you can close your eyes,

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 that might help,

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 but that's your choice.

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 Imagine with me

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 if I threw a rock at your head.

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 I won't,

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 I promise,

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 don't even have a rock on me,

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 but imagine with me

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 for a moment if I did.

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 Smack.

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 Hits you in the side of the head.

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 Why does it hurt?

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 Well,

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 it has being,

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 it exists,

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 it's a rock,

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 it's hard,

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 it's harder than your head,

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 it's going to hurt.

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 It has being,

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 it exists.

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 Imagine with me,

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 instead of you complaining to me,

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 hey,

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 hold on a second,

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 why did you throw that rock at me?

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 Instead you turned to the rock

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 and went,

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 oh,

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 you nasty rock,

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 how dare you hit me

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 in the side of the head?

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 Will it care?

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 Not in the slightest,

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 because it's not a person.

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 So,

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 when we say we believe

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 that there is

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 one being of God,

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 but three persons,

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 we're talking about

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 two different categories.

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 We're talking about

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 what God is,

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 and then we're talking about

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 who God is.

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 We relate to God

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 as Father,

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 Son,

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 and Holy Spirit.

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 They're all

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 individual persons.

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 We can clearly see this

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 at Jesus' baptism.

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 There's the Father in heaven,

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 the Holy Spirit

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 descending like the dove,

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 Jesus in the water.

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 Three separate persons.

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 All one God.

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 One of my favorite passages

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 in scripture is

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 Philippians 2,

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 because it tells us

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 just how amazing Jesus is.

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 Though being in very nature God,

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 did not consider equality with God

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 something he held onto.

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 But he emptied himself,

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 taken on the form of a servant,

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 and humbled himself

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 by becoming obedient unto death,

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 even death on a cross.

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 Jesus,

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 in very nature God.

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 We read from Isaiah.

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 There is only one.

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 From everlasting

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 to everlasting,

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 but we'll come on to that

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 more shortly.

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 One of the really interesting

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 things I find

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 when I've been chatting

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 to the Mormon missionaries

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 or the Latter-day Saints,

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 as they prefer now it is,

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 is that

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 when they talk about God,

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 they're actually

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 one of the most polytheistic

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 religions on the planet.

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 And that just means

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 they have an endless

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 number of gods.

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 To them,

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 God the Father

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 once

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 lived on a planet

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 as a man

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 and

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 had a God

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 who had a God

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 who had a God

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 who had a God.

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 I'm guessing you get the idea.

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 They believe in what's called

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 the law

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 of eternal regression.

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 Gods

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 that have gods

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 that have gods.

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 you can probably see

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 why I'd argue

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 Islam is even closer

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 to Christianity

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 than Mormonism is.

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 They believe

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 that God the Father

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 has not always

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 been God.

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 I don't know

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 how you can read

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 the passage

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 that we looked at tonight

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 and think

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 that God

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 became God.

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 I'll give you

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 Joseph Smith's own words.

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 After the death

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 of one of the elders

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 in the early Mormon church

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 called Elder King Follett,

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 Joseph Smith

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 gave a speech

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 to

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 commemorate

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 the elder's life.

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 And I'd like to read you

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 some of the words.

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 Again,

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 you can follow along with me.

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 God himself

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 was once

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 as we are now

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 and is

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 an exalted man.

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 He sits enthroned

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 in yonder heavens.

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 That

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 is the great secret.

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 I'm going to tell you

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 how God

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 came to be God.

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 We have imagined

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 and supposed

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 that God was God

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 from all eternity.

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 I will refute

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 that idea

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 and take away

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 the veil

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 so that you may see.

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 He was once

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 a man like us.

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 Yeah,

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 that God himself,

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 the Father of us,

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 all

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 dwelt

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 on an earth.

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 It wasn't just

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 Joseph Smith.

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 The fifth president

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 of the Mormon church,

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 Lorenzo Snow,

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 he came up

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 with this little couplet

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 to summarize

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 their belief,

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 if you like.

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 As man

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 is now,

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 God once was.

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 As God is now,

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 man may become.

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 Incredible

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 if you're familiar

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 with

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 standard

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 Christian historic

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 teaching, right?

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 But that is

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 what they believe.

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 What do they believe

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 about Jesus?

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 Well,

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 they identify

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 Jesus

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 as Jehovah

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 of the Old Testament.

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 You might be

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 wondering,

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 hold on a second,

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 I thought you said

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 they didn't identify

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 God the Father

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 and Jesus

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 as the one God.

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 Well,

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 they don't.

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 They believe

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 that the name

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 Jehovah

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 exclusively refers

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 to Jesus

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 and they believe

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 the term

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 Elohim

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 or the Hebrew word

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 for God

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 refers to

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 God the Father.

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 This brings us

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 back to something

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 I mentioned earlier.

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 Anytime you're

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 talking to

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 someone from

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 the LDS church,

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 anytime they use

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 a term

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 or word,

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 pause for a second

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 and just say,

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 how do you

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 understand that?

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 What do you mean

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 when you say that?

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 You'll find it

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 really is

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 very,

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 very necessary.

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 Otherwise,

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 you could be

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 agreeing with them

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 for hours

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 and in the end

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 realize,

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 well,

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 you don't believe

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 the same thing

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 at all.

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 And probably

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 a really quite

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 easy example

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 of this is

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 the virgin birth.

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 We'll both go,

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 yeah,

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 of course we believe

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 in the virgin birth.

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 Mormons will go,

00:17:25.340 --> 00:17:25.480
 yeah,

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 believe in the virgin birth,

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 sure.

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 But,

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 the Mormon means

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 Mary was a virgin

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 because she had

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 intercourse with God

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 rather than with a man.

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 Not really what we

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 believe,

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 is it?

00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:42.099
 Brigham Young

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 put it this way,

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 the birth of the

00:17:44.879 --> 00:17:45.879
 saviour was as

00:17:45.879 --> 00:17:46.940
 natural as births

00:17:46.940 --> 00:17:47.420
 of our children.

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 It was the result

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 of a natural action.

00:17:51.019 --> 00:17:51.160
 He,

00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:51.859
 particularly flesh

00:17:51.859 --> 00:17:52.299
 and blood,

00:17:52.740 --> 00:17:53.339
 was begotten of

00:17:53.339 --> 00:17:53.720
 his father

00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:54.960
 as we were

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 of our fathers.

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 We could also agree

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 Jesus is the only

00:18:01.460 --> 00:18:02.079
 begotten son,

00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:02.299
 right?

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 That's a term

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 we're familiar with,

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 I would hope.

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 What does the LDS

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 person mean by that?

00:18:08.659 --> 00:18:09.059
 Well,

00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:10.299
 Mormons believe

00:18:10.299 --> 00:18:11.180
 we're all spirit

00:18:11.180 --> 00:18:11.700
 children,

00:18:13.139 --> 00:18:14.139
 they actually believe

00:18:14.139 --> 00:18:15.000
 we existed before

00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:15.940
 our physical birth,

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 and we're all

00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.539
 spirit children

00:18:18.539 --> 00:18:19.899
 of heavenly father

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 and mother.

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 Yeah,

00:18:21.899 --> 00:18:22.259
 you heard me

00:18:22.259 --> 00:18:22.559
 correctly.

00:18:23.139 --> 00:18:24.180
 They do believe

00:18:24.180 --> 00:18:24.779
 God the Father

00:18:24.779 --> 00:18:25.399
 has a wife,

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 at least one.

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 I'd like to read

00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:30.559
 you again

00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:31.599
 an LDS publication.

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 This is from

00:18:32.980 --> 00:18:33.539
 Messages of the

00:18:33.539 --> 00:18:34.220
 First Presidency.

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 Jesus,

00:18:36.019 --> 00:18:36.259
 however,

00:18:36.919 --> 00:18:38.019
 is the firstborn

00:18:38.019 --> 00:18:39.039
 among all the

00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:39.599
 sons of God,

00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:41.279
 the first begotten

00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:41.720
 in the spirit

00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:42.940
 and the only begotten

00:18:42.940 --> 00:18:43.519
 in the flesh.

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 He is our elder

00:18:45.419 --> 00:18:45.740
 brother,

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 and we,

00:18:47.179 --> 00:18:47.559
 like him,

00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:49.000
 are in the image

00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:49.539
 of God.

00:18:50.700 --> 00:18:51.700
 All men and women

00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:52.519
 are in the

00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:53.419
 similitude of the

00:18:53.419 --> 00:18:54.220
 universal father

00:18:54.220 --> 00:18:54.839
 and mother,

00:18:55.339 --> 00:18:56.240
 and are literally

00:18:56.240 --> 00:18:57.539
 sons and daughters

00:18:57.539 --> 00:18:58.159
 of deity.

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 What more is

00:19:01.060 --> 00:19:02.040
 needed to convince

00:19:02.040 --> 00:19:02.980
 us that both

00:19:02.980 --> 00:19:03.460
 man,

00:19:04.320 --> 00:19:04.740
 sorry,

00:19:04.840 --> 00:19:05.300
 that man,

00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:06.040
 both in spirit

00:19:06.040 --> 00:19:06.700
 and body,

00:19:07.140 --> 00:19:08.100
 is in the image

00:19:08.100 --> 00:19:09.180
 and likeness of God,

00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:10.259
 and that God

00:19:10.259 --> 00:19:11.460
 himself is in the

00:19:11.460 --> 00:19:12.440
 form of a man?

00:19:16.060 --> 00:19:16.940
 I hope by this

00:19:16.940 --> 00:19:17.620
 point you get

00:19:17.620 --> 00:19:19.540
 why I strongly

00:19:19.540 --> 00:19:21.320
 believe they need

00:19:21.320 --> 00:19:21.660
 the gospel.

00:19:23.860 --> 00:19:25.580
 They need to

00:19:25.580 --> 00:19:26.680
 hear the truth,

00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:29.900
 so how might

00:19:29.900 --> 00:19:30.279
 we share it

00:19:30.279 --> 00:19:30.519
 with them?

00:19:33.120 --> 00:19:33.480
 Well,

00:19:33.700 --> 00:19:34.299
 to be honest,

00:19:34.560 --> 00:19:35.120
 although I

00:19:35.120 --> 00:19:36.060
 started,

00:19:36.340 --> 00:19:37.580
 I asked one

00:19:37.580 --> 00:19:38.240
 of my favorite

00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:39.019
 passages to read

00:19:39.019 --> 00:19:39.779
 to the Mormon

00:19:39.779 --> 00:19:40.480
 missionaries to be

00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:41.100
 read at the start,

00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:42.759
 very,

00:19:42.860 --> 00:19:43.279
 very often,

00:19:43.820 --> 00:19:44.799
 if you do read

00:19:44.799 --> 00:19:45.460
 them a verse that

00:19:45.460 --> 00:19:46.080
 goes directly

00:19:46.080 --> 00:19:46.960
 against the

00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:47.360
 teachings of

00:19:47.360 --> 00:19:47.779
 their church,

00:19:48.140 --> 00:19:48.680
 they'll just say,

00:19:48.779 --> 00:19:49.519
 hold on a second

00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:49.720
 though,

00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:50.640
 we only believe

00:19:50.640 --> 00:19:51.400
 the Bible as

00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:51.799
 far as it's

00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:52.460
 been translated

00:19:52.460 --> 00:19:53.180
 correctly.

00:19:53.180 --> 00:19:55.900
 So,

00:19:56.360 --> 00:19:57.279
 how do we

00:19:57.279 --> 00:19:57.519
 get around

00:19:57.519 --> 00:19:57.720
 that?

00:19:58.580 --> 00:19:58.840
 Well,

00:19:59.279 --> 00:19:59.640
 hands up,

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 I don't speak

00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:00.900
 Hebrew or

00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:01.100
 Greek,

00:20:01.519 --> 00:20:02.480
 so I can't

00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:03.000
 really say if

00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:03.600
 something's been

00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:04.240
 translated correctly,

00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:05.320
 but thankfully,

00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:06.519
 we have

00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:07.799
 wonderful things

00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:08.420
 called interlinear

00:20:08.420 --> 00:20:08.940
 translations,

00:20:09.320 --> 00:20:10.340
 so they can be

00:20:10.340 --> 00:20:10.600
 helpful.

00:20:12.840 --> 00:20:13.279
 However,

00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:14.660
 they don't have

00:20:14.660 --> 00:20:15.460
 any concerns

00:20:15.460 --> 00:20:16.539
 about the

00:20:16.539 --> 00:20:17.220
 translation of

00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:17.580
 the Book of

00:20:17.580 --> 00:20:17.759
 Mormon.

00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:19.600
 So,

00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:20.080
 actually,

00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:20.460
 that's the

00:20:20.460 --> 00:20:21.080
 approach I use

00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:21.539
 when I'm

00:20:21.539 --> 00:20:22.179
 talking with

00:20:22.179 --> 00:20:23.179
 the Mormon

00:20:23.179 --> 00:20:23.599
 missionaries.

00:20:24.539 --> 00:20:25.139
 It's not

00:20:25.139 --> 00:20:25.639
 because I

00:20:25.639 --> 00:20:26.019
 believe the

00:20:26.019 --> 00:20:26.240
 Book of

00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:26.559
 Mormon is

00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:26.759
 true,

00:20:27.419 --> 00:20:28.419
 it's because

00:20:28.419 --> 00:20:28.779
 they do.

00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:31.679
 So,

00:20:31.720 --> 00:20:32.179
 we can ask

00:20:32.179 --> 00:20:32.960
 several questions

00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:33.359
 of the

00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:33.599
 Book of

00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:33.779
 Mormon.

00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:37.559
 You see,

00:20:37.919 --> 00:20:38.319
 the LDS

00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:38.699
 missionaries

00:20:38.699 --> 00:20:39.019
 are coming

00:20:39.019 --> 00:20:39.319
 to you,

00:20:39.439 --> 00:20:39.779
 and they're

00:20:39.779 --> 00:20:40.460
 asking you

00:20:40.460 --> 00:20:41.259
 to pray

00:20:41.259 --> 00:20:41.799
 about whether

00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:42.220
 their church

00:20:42.220 --> 00:20:42.699
 is true

00:20:42.699 --> 00:20:46.159
 based on

00:20:46.159 --> 00:20:46.799
 the Book

00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:47.019
 of Mormon,

00:20:47.579 --> 00:20:47.919
 and they're

00:20:47.919 --> 00:20:48.339
 asking you

00:20:48.339 --> 00:20:48.659
 to judge

00:20:48.659 --> 00:20:49.199
 whether Joseph

00:20:49.199 --> 00:20:49.879
 Smith is a

00:20:49.879 --> 00:20:50.919
 prophet based

00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:51.539
 on the

00:20:51.539 --> 00:20:51.820
 Book of

00:20:51.820 --> 00:20:52.019
 Mormon.

00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:54.580
 So,

00:20:54.620 --> 00:20:54.960
 we can ask

00:20:54.960 --> 00:20:55.580
 those questions.

00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:57.420
 For example,

00:20:58.200 --> 00:20:58.740
 what does the

00:20:58.740 --> 00:20:59.080
 Book of Mormon

00:20:59.080 --> 00:20:59.560
 teach about

00:20:59.560 --> 00:20:59.800
 God?

00:21:01.220 --> 00:21:01.740
 Who is

00:21:01.740 --> 00:21:01.980
 God?

00:21:02.500 --> 00:21:03.019
 I think that's

00:21:03.019 --> 00:21:03.519
 a fair question

00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:04.060
 to ask the

00:21:04.060 --> 00:21:04.220
 Mormon

00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:04.660
 missionaries.

00:21:05.420 --> 00:21:06.060
 I've already

00:21:06.060 --> 00:21:06.740
 read to you

00:21:06.740 --> 00:21:07.300
 what their

00:21:07.300 --> 00:21:08.000
 church teaches

00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:09.380
 about God.

00:21:10.220 --> 00:21:10.600
 But is that

00:21:10.600 --> 00:21:10.820
 what the

00:21:10.820 --> 00:21:11.200
 Book of Mormon

00:21:11.200 --> 00:21:11.560
 says?

00:21:13.060 --> 00:21:13.440
 Well,

00:21:13.840 --> 00:21:14.420
 I'd argue

00:21:14.420 --> 00:21:14.640
 no.

00:21:14.860 --> 00:21:15.019
 No,

00:21:15.060 --> 00:21:15.279
 it isn't.

00:21:16.180 --> 00:21:16.779
 I think the

00:21:16.779 --> 00:21:17.100
 Book of Mormon

00:21:17.100 --> 00:21:17.700
 is very clear.

00:21:17.779 --> 00:21:18.100
 There's only

00:21:18.100 --> 00:21:18.640
 one God,

00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:19.759
 and that

00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:20.259
 that God

00:21:20.259 --> 00:21:20.900
 is the

00:21:20.900 --> 00:21:21.119
 Father,

00:21:21.379 --> 00:21:21.660
 the Son,

00:21:21.940 --> 00:21:22.079
 and the

00:21:22.079 --> 00:21:22.420
 Holy Spirit.

00:21:23.859 --> 00:21:24.460
 I'd like to

00:21:24.460 --> 00:21:25.000
 read to you

00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:25.359
 from the

00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:25.779
 Book of Mormon,

00:21:25.940 --> 00:21:26.200
 and I hope

00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:26.519
 you won't

00:21:26.519 --> 00:21:27.119
 get your

00:21:27.119 --> 00:21:27.680
 pitchforks

00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:28.059
 and chase

00:21:28.059 --> 00:21:28.299
 me out.

00:21:29.539 --> 00:21:29.940
 This is

00:21:29.940 --> 00:21:30.740
 2 Nephi

00:21:30.740 --> 00:21:31.440
 31,

00:21:31.619 --> 00:21:31.920
 21.

00:21:31.920 --> 00:21:33.299
 And now

00:21:33.299 --> 00:21:33.720
 behold,

00:21:33.819 --> 00:21:34.180
 my beloved

00:21:34.180 --> 00:21:34.519
 brethren,

00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:35.460
 this is the

00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:35.680
 way,

00:21:36.059 --> 00:21:36.259
 and there

00:21:36.259 --> 00:21:36.599
 is none

00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:37.140
 other way,

00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:37.720
 nor name

00:21:37.720 --> 00:21:38.160
 given under

00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:38.440
 heaven,

00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:39.140
 whereby man

00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:39.480
 can be

00:21:39.480 --> 00:21:39.879
 saved in

00:21:39.879 --> 00:21:40.119
 the kingdom

00:21:40.119 --> 00:21:40.519
 of God.

00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:41.859
 And now

00:21:41.859 --> 00:21:42.240
 behold,

00:21:42.500 --> 00:21:43.000
 this is the

00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:43.420
 doctrine of

00:21:43.420 --> 00:21:43.759
 Christ,

00:21:44.160 --> 00:21:44.379
 and the

00:21:44.379 --> 00:21:45.000
 only and

00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:45.480
 true doctrine

00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:45.759
 of the

00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:46.000
 Father,

00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:46.700
 and of the

00:21:46.700 --> 00:21:46.900
 Son,

00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:47.599
 and of the

00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:48.059
 Holy Ghost,

00:21:48.059 --> 00:21:48.720
 which is

00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:49.240
 one God

00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:50.119
 without end.

00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:50.740
 Amen.

00:21:52.700 --> 00:21:53.139
 Confused

00:21:53.139 --> 00:21:53.259
 you?

00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:55.339
 That's not

00:21:55.339 --> 00:21:55.619
 what their

00:21:55.619 --> 00:21:57.000
 church teaches,

00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:57.220
 right?

00:21:58.839 --> 00:21:59.399
 Just in

00:21:59.399 --> 00:21:59.639
 case you

00:21:59.639 --> 00:21:59.960
 think it's

00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:00.720
 a one-off

00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:02.759
 verse that

00:22:02.759 --> 00:22:03.339
 slipped in

00:22:03.339 --> 00:22:04.099
 there from

00:22:04.099 --> 00:22:04.339
 somewhere.

00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:05.299
 I'd like to

00:22:05.299 --> 00:22:05.599
 read you

00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:06.339
 another one.

00:22:06.899 --> 00:22:07.519
 Alma 11,

00:22:07.639 --> 00:22:08.000
 44.

00:22:09.059 --> 00:22:09.500
 Now,

00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:10.119
 this

00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:10.500
 restoration

00:22:10.500 --> 00:22:11.119
 shall come

00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:11.879
 to all,

00:22:12.240 --> 00:22:12.700
 both old

00:22:12.700 --> 00:22:13.019
 and young,

00:22:13.299 --> 00:22:13.700
 both bond

00:22:13.700 --> 00:22:14.059
 and free,

00:22:14.399 --> 00:22:14.779
 both male

00:22:14.779 --> 00:22:15.119
 and female,

00:22:15.720 --> 00:22:16.079
 both the

00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:16.440
 wicked and

00:22:16.440 --> 00:22:16.819
 the righteous,

00:22:16.819 --> 00:22:18.659
 and even

00:22:18.659 --> 00:22:19.599
 there shall

00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:20.159
 not be so

00:22:20.159 --> 00:22:20.659
 much as a

00:22:20.659 --> 00:22:21.059
 hair of

00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:21.439
 their heads

00:22:21.439 --> 00:22:21.899
 be lost.

00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:23.619
 But everything

00:22:23.619 --> 00:22:24.119
 shall be

00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:24.859
 restored to

00:22:24.859 --> 00:22:25.299
 its perfect

00:22:25.299 --> 00:22:25.599
 frame,

00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:26.439
 as it is

00:22:26.439 --> 00:22:26.720
 now,

00:22:27.099 --> 00:22:27.500
 or in the

00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:27.720
 body,

00:22:28.099 --> 00:22:28.579
 and shall

00:22:28.579 --> 00:22:29.000
 be brought

00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:29.399
 and be

00:22:29.399 --> 00:22:29.939
 reassigned

00:22:29.939 --> 00:22:30.519
 before the

00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:30.839
 bar of

00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:31.220
 Christ,

00:22:31.819 --> 00:22:32.240
 the Son,

00:22:32.919 --> 00:22:33.279
 and God

00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:33.619
 the Father,

00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:34.619
 and the

00:22:34.619 --> 00:22:35.079
 Holy Spirit,

00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.759
 which is

00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:40.019
 one eternal

00:22:40.019 --> 00:22:40.799
 God,

00:22:41.879 --> 00:22:44.019
 to be

00:22:44.019 --> 00:22:44.279
 judged

00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:44.819
 according to

00:22:44.819 --> 00:22:45.279
 their works,

00:22:45.419 --> 00:22:45.759
 whether they

00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:46.179
 be good,

00:22:46.180 --> 00:22:47.160
 or whether

00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:47.920
 they be

00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:48.200
 evil.

00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:50.340
 I can't

00:22:50.340 --> 00:22:50.560
 reiterate

00:22:50.560 --> 00:22:51.000
 enough,

00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:51.380
 or you

00:22:51.380 --> 00:22:52.019
 must ask

00:22:52.019 --> 00:22:52.180
 them,

00:22:52.299 --> 00:22:53.019
 please explain

00:22:53.019 --> 00:22:53.400
 to me

00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:53.799
 what you

00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:54.640
 mean by

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:55.140
 the terms

00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:55.660
 you use.

00:22:58.759 --> 00:22:59.299
 We could

00:22:59.299 --> 00:22:59.720
 also ask

00:22:59.720 --> 00:22:59.860
 them,

00:23:00.019 --> 00:23:00.320
 what sort

00:23:00.320 --> 00:23:00.740
 of being

00:23:00.740 --> 00:23:01.340
 is God?

00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:03.380
 I hope

00:23:03.380 --> 00:23:03.779
 I've already

00:23:03.779 --> 00:23:04.600
 shown that

00:23:04.600 --> 00:23:05.640
 their church

00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:06.140
 teaches that

00:23:06.140 --> 00:23:06.560
 God was once

00:23:06.560 --> 00:23:06.820
 a man

00:23:06.820 --> 00:23:07.019
 on their

00:23:07.019 --> 00:23:07.279
 planet,

00:23:08.620 --> 00:23:09.340
 but is

00:23:09.340 --> 00:23:09.600
 that what

00:23:09.600 --> 00:23:09.779
 the Book

00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:10.039
 of Mormon

00:23:10.039 --> 00:23:10.340
 says?

00:23:11.820 --> 00:23:12.440
 Forgive me

00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:12.820
 again for

00:23:12.820 --> 00:23:13.279
 turning there,

00:23:13.560 --> 00:23:14.039
 but Alma

00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:15.019
 18,

00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:16.279
 24-28.

00:23:17.500 --> 00:23:17.879
 And Ammon

00:23:17.879 --> 00:23:18.399
 began to

00:23:18.399 --> 00:23:18.879
 speak unto

00:23:18.879 --> 00:23:19.279
 them with

00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:19.740
 boldness,

00:23:19.819 --> 00:23:20.079
 and said

00:23:20.079 --> 00:23:20.460
 unto him,

00:23:20.980 --> 00:23:21.339
 Believest

00:23:21.339 --> 00:23:21.740
 thou that

00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:22.019
 there is

00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:22.720
 a God?

00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:23.440
 And he

00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:23.720
 answered,

00:23:23.859 --> 00:23:24.119
 and said

00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:24.480
 unto him,

00:23:24.879 --> 00:23:25.779
 I do

00:23:25.779 --> 00:23:26.180
 not know

00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:27.059
 what that

00:23:27.059 --> 00:23:27.420
 meaneth.

00:23:28.240 --> 00:23:28.619
 And Ammon

00:23:28.619 --> 00:23:28.920
 said,

00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:29.799
 Believest

00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:30.200
 thou there

00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:30.420
 is a

00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:30.579
 great

00:23:30.579 --> 00:23:30.879
 spirit?

00:23:31.299 --> 00:23:31.700
 And he

00:23:31.700 --> 00:23:31.920
 said,

00:23:31.980 --> 00:23:32.099
 Yea.

00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:33.420
 And Ammon

00:23:33.420 --> 00:23:33.700
 said,

00:23:33.859 --> 00:23:34.279
 This is

00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:34.539
 God.

00:23:35.019 --> 00:23:35.339
 And Ammon

00:23:35.339 --> 00:23:35.740
 said unto

00:23:35.740 --> 00:23:36.079
 him again,

00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:36.559
 Believest

00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:36.920
 thou that

00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:37.319
 this great

00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:37.639
 spirit,

00:23:37.779 --> 00:23:37.960
 who is

00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:38.180
 God,

00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:38.440
 created

00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:39.079
 all things

00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:39.779
 which are

00:23:39.779 --> 00:23:40.119
 in heaven

00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:40.720
 and in

00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:41.059
 the earth?

00:23:41.059 --> 00:23:43.299
 And just

00:23:43.299 --> 00:23:43.960
 a few

00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:44.240
 chapters

00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:44.539
 later,

00:23:45.039 --> 00:23:45.740
 and the

00:23:45.740 --> 00:23:46.240
 king said,

00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:46.700
 God is

00:23:46.700 --> 00:23:48.659
 that great

00:23:48.659 --> 00:23:50.099
 spirit that

00:23:50.099 --> 00:23:50.519
 brought our

00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:51.159
 fathers out

00:23:51.159 --> 00:23:51.539
 of the land

00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:51.960
 of Jerusalem.

00:23:53.399 --> 00:23:53.839
 Sorry.

00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:55.179
 Is God

00:23:55.179 --> 00:23:55.599
 that great

00:23:55.599 --> 00:23:55.960
 spirit that

00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:56.599
 brought our

00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:57.119
 fathers out

00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:57.419
 of the land

00:23:57.419 --> 00:23:57.759
 of Jerusalem?

00:23:58.799 --> 00:23:59.399
 And Aaron

00:23:59.399 --> 00:23:59.799
 said unto

00:23:59.799 --> 00:23:59.980
 him,

00:24:00.139 --> 00:24:00.319
 Yea,

00:24:00.519 --> 00:24:01.079
 he is that

00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:01.599
 great spirit,

00:24:01.859 --> 00:24:02.139
 and he

00:24:02.139 --> 00:24:02.599
 created all

00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:03.099
 things both

00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:03.440
 in heaven

00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:03.899
 and in

00:24:03.899 --> 00:24:04.099
 earth.

00:24:04.419 --> 00:24:04.720
 Believest

00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:05.119
 thou this?

00:24:05.500 --> 00:24:05.740
 And he

00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:05.960
 said,

00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:06.200
 Yea,

00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:07.079
 I believe

00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:07.619
 that the

00:24:07.619 --> 00:24:08.139
 great spirit

00:24:08.139 --> 00:24:08.720
 created all

00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:09.059
 things,

00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:09.839
 and I

00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:10.319
 desire that

00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:10.599
 you should

00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:11.240
 tell me

00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:11.639
 concerning

00:24:11.639 --> 00:24:12.099
 all these

00:24:12.099 --> 00:24:12.379
 things,

00:24:12.899 --> 00:24:13.139
 and I

00:24:13.139 --> 00:24:13.259
 will

00:24:13.259 --> 00:24:13.599
 believe

00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:13.919
 thy

00:24:13.919 --> 00:24:14.179
 words.

00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:18.059
 Just go

00:24:18.059 --> 00:24:18.299
 into the

00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:18.519
 LDS

00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:18.960
 website,

00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:20.399
 you'll find

00:24:20.399 --> 00:24:20.940
 clearly under

00:24:20.940 --> 00:24:21.419
 the definition

00:24:21.419 --> 00:24:21.720
 of God

00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:22.039
 the Father,

00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:22.899
 he has a

00:24:22.899 --> 00:24:23.240
 body of

00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:23.599
 flesh and

00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:24.019
 bones as

00:24:24.019 --> 00:24:24.559
 tangible as

00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:25.019
 man's.

00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:29.099
 Bizarre.

00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:32.539
 But it is

00:24:32.539 --> 00:24:32.779
 what they

00:24:32.779 --> 00:24:33.019
 believe.

00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:34.839
 There are

00:24:34.839 --> 00:24:35.059
 many,

00:24:35.099 --> 00:24:35.480
 many

00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:36.000
 articulate

00:24:36.000 --> 00:24:37.039
 Mormons who

00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:37.679
 will give

00:24:37.679 --> 00:24:38.279
 you explanations

00:24:38.279 --> 00:24:38.619
 for these

00:24:38.619 --> 00:24:38.859
 things.

00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:42.960
 But what

00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:43.259
 if we just

00:24:43.259 --> 00:24:43.679
 ask the

00:24:43.679 --> 00:24:43.879
 Book of

00:24:43.879 --> 00:24:44.059
 Mormon,

00:24:44.299 --> 00:24:44.759
 was God

00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:45.279
 once a

00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:45.779
 man on

00:24:45.779 --> 00:24:45.980
 another

00:24:45.980 --> 00:24:46.279
 planet?

00:24:47.819 --> 00:24:48.119
 Again,

00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:48.319
 the

00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:48.480
 Book of

00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:48.579
 Mormon

00:24:48.579 --> 00:24:48.960
 says no.

00:24:50.579 --> 00:24:50.799
 The

00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:51.200
 first

00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:53.159
 verse I'd

00:24:53.159 --> 00:24:53.419
 like to

00:24:53.419 --> 00:24:53.679
 read you

00:24:53.679 --> 00:24:53.980
 is a

00:24:53.980 --> 00:24:54.319
 direct

00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:54.779
 quotation

00:24:54.779 --> 00:24:55.480
 of

00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:55.819
 Malachi

00:24:55.819 --> 00:24:56.579
 3.6

00:24:56.579 --> 00:24:57.740
 For I

00:24:57.740 --> 00:24:58.039
 am the

00:24:58.039 --> 00:24:58.259
 Lord,

00:24:58.639 --> 00:24:58.859
 I

00:24:58.859 --> 00:24:59.240
 change

00:24:59.240 --> 00:24:59.500
 not,

00:24:59.960 --> 00:25:00.279
 therefore

00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:00.679
 the

00:25:00.679 --> 00:25:01.019
 sons of

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 Jacob

00:25:01.299 --> 00:25:01.779
 are not

00:25:01.779 --> 00:25:02.179
 consumed.

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 Or how

00:25:05.019 --> 00:25:05.460
 about this,

00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:06.240
 which is

00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:07.519
 a combination

00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:08.379
 of two

00:25:08.379 --> 00:25:08.619
 verses,

00:25:08.619 --> 00:25:08.819
 you're

00:25:08.819 --> 00:25:09.000
 probably

00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:09.259
 familiar

00:25:09.259 --> 00:25:09.439
 with,

00:25:09.479 --> 00:25:09.699
 Hebrews

00:25:09.699 --> 00:25:10.279
 13.8

00:25:10.279 --> 00:25:10.619
 and

00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:10.799
 James

00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:11.459
 1.17

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 For do

00:25:13.259 --> 00:25:13.659
 we not

00:25:13.659 --> 00:25:14.459
 read that

00:25:14.459 --> 00:25:14.799
 God is

00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:15.199
 the same

00:25:15.199 --> 00:25:15.819
 yesterday,

00:25:16.199 --> 00:25:16.539
 today,

00:25:16.719 --> 00:25:17.299
 and forever?

00:25:18.159 --> 00:25:18.799
 And in

00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:19.179
 him there

00:25:19.179 --> 00:25:19.539
 is no

00:25:19.539 --> 00:25:20.199
 variableness,

00:25:21.039 --> 00:25:21.319
 neither

00:25:21.319 --> 00:25:22.459
 shadow of

00:25:22.459 --> 00:25:22.739
 changing.

00:25:22.740 --> 00:25:25.120
 God is

00:25:25.120 --> 00:25:26.779
 God.

00:25:26.779 --> 00:25:27.019
 And what I

00:25:27.019 --> 00:25:27.440
 particularly

00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:27.779
 like,

00:25:28.180 --> 00:25:29.279
 given that

00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:29.680
 they believe

00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:30.000
 that God

00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:30.299
 was once

00:25:30.299 --> 00:25:30.519
 a man

00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:30.720
 on their

00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:31.019
 planet,

00:25:31.940 --> 00:25:32.220
 Moroni

00:25:32.220 --> 00:25:33.200
 8.18

00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:34.039
 For I

00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:34.539
 know that

00:25:34.539 --> 00:25:34.880
 God is

00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:35.359
 not a

00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:35.660
 partial

00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:36.000
 God,

00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:37.900
 neither a

00:25:37.900 --> 00:25:38.480
 changeable

00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.059
 being,

00:25:39.759 --> 00:25:40.559
 but he

00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:41.539
 is unchangeable

00:25:41.539 --> 00:25:42.359
 from all

00:25:42.359 --> 00:25:43.420
 eternity to

00:25:43.420 --> 00:25:43.680
 all

00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:44.059
 eternity.

00:25:45.940 --> 00:25:46.660
 And just

00:25:46.660 --> 00:25:47.079
 to remind

00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:47.599
 you of

00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:47.839
 what the

00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:48.019
 church

00:25:48.019 --> 00:25:48.420
 teaches,

00:25:48.420 --> 00:25:49.920
 this is

00:25:49.920 --> 00:25:50.380
 Brigham Young,

00:25:50.700 --> 00:25:51.120
 who was

00:25:51.120 --> 00:25:51.960
 one of the

00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:52.820
 followers of

00:25:52.820 --> 00:25:53.360
 Joseph Smith,

00:25:54.340 --> 00:25:54.960
 and his

00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:55.519
 writings said

00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:55.800
 this,

00:25:56.800 --> 00:25:57.400
 The doctrine

00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:58.200
 that God

00:25:58.200 --> 00:25:58.840
 was once a

00:25:58.840 --> 00:25:59.600
 man and

00:25:59.600 --> 00:26:00.140
 has progressed

00:26:00.140 --> 00:26:00.779
 to become a

00:26:00.779 --> 00:26:01.300
 God is

00:26:01.300 --> 00:26:01.700
 unique to

00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:02.080
 this church.

00:26:03.180 --> 00:26:03.580
 How do

00:26:03.580 --> 00:26:04.019
 you feel

00:26:04.019 --> 00:26:04.960
 knowing that

00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:05.240
 God,

00:26:05.360 --> 00:26:05.560
 through his

00:26:05.560 --> 00:26:05.740
 own

00:26:05.740 --> 00:26:06.340
 experience,

00:26:06.820 --> 00:26:07.380
 knows all

00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:07.740
 that we

00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:08.500
 know regarding

00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:09.039
 the toils

00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:10.140
 and sufferings

00:26:10.140 --> 00:26:11.080
 of mortality?

00:26:14.980 --> 00:26:15.779
 So much

00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:16.300
 contradiction.

00:26:18.420 --> 00:26:18.900
 So much

00:26:18.900 --> 00:26:19.340
 confusion.

00:26:23.019 --> 00:26:23.500
 Why?

00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:25.220
 Well, I

00:26:25.220 --> 00:26:25.600
 don't think

00:26:25.600 --> 00:26:26.620
 I'm being

00:26:26.620 --> 00:26:27.140
 unfair to

00:26:27.140 --> 00:26:27.539
 them to

00:26:27.539 --> 00:26:29.019
 say that

00:26:29.019 --> 00:26:29.500
 the current

00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:30.519
 prophet of

00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:31.140
 the LDS

00:26:31.140 --> 00:26:32.720
 church can

00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:33.200
 reinterpret

00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.300
 scripture to

00:26:34.300 --> 00:26:34.560
 their own

00:26:34.560 --> 00:26:34.720
 view.

00:26:36.800 --> 00:26:37.480
 They can

00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:39.000
 add to

00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:39.400
 revolution.

00:26:40.120 --> 00:26:40.779
 They can

00:26:40.779 --> 00:26:41.220
 change

00:26:41.220 --> 00:26:41.920
 revolution.

00:26:43.940 --> 00:26:44.680
 They even

00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:45.060
 have a little

00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:45.620
 phrase that

00:26:45.620 --> 00:26:45.940
 says,

00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:46.860
 a live

00:26:46.860 --> 00:26:47.259
 prophet

00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:47.860
 trumps a

00:26:47.860 --> 00:26:48.200
 dead one.

00:26:49.120 --> 00:26:49.600
 So forget

00:26:49.600 --> 00:26:49.900
 about the

00:26:49.900 --> 00:26:50.240
 one said

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:50.539
 before,

00:26:51.300 --> 00:26:52.000
 if it

00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:52.220
 doesn't

00:26:52.220 --> 00:26:52.580
 agree with

00:26:52.580 --> 00:26:53.320
 what the

00:26:53.320 --> 00:26:53.500
 current

00:26:53.500 --> 00:26:53.960
 one believes.

00:26:56.700 --> 00:26:57.420
 In fact,

00:26:58.160 --> 00:26:59.380
 sometimes

00:26:59.380 --> 00:27:00.259
 the prophet's

00:27:00.259 --> 00:27:00.759
 own views

00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:01.380
 change with

00:27:01.380 --> 00:27:01.600
 time.

00:27:03.420 --> 00:27:04.039
 I would

00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:04.980
 strongly argue

00:27:04.980 --> 00:27:05.740
 that this

00:27:05.740 --> 00:27:06.019
 was the

00:27:06.019 --> 00:27:06.360
 case with

00:27:06.360 --> 00:27:06.880
 Joseph Smith.

00:27:07.900 --> 00:27:08.320
 It's why

00:27:08.320 --> 00:27:08.800
 we can have

00:27:08.800 --> 00:27:10.600
 such seemingly

00:27:10.600 --> 00:27:11.560
 clear Trinitarian

00:27:11.560 --> 00:27:12.300
 statements in

00:27:12.300 --> 00:27:12.620
 the Book of

00:27:12.620 --> 00:27:13.820
 Mormon, but

00:27:13.820 --> 00:27:14.620
 yet later in

00:27:14.620 --> 00:27:15.180
 his life when

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:15.960
 he's talking

00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.400
 at the funeral

00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:17.740
 of Elder

00:27:17.740 --> 00:27:18.319
 King Follett,

00:27:19.660 --> 00:27:20.099
 he's telling

00:27:20.099 --> 00:27:20.440
 you God

00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:20.740
 was once

00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:21.039
 a man

00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:21.240
 on the

00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:21.539
 planet.

00:27:26.099 --> 00:27:26.500
 In

00:27:26.500 --> 00:27:26.819
 conclusion,

00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:27.180
 I'd like

00:27:27.180 --> 00:27:29.240
 to re-emphasize

00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:29.460
 what I

00:27:29.460 --> 00:27:29.680
 mentioned

00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:29.960
 earlier.

00:27:31.620 --> 00:27:32.180
 What I've

00:27:32.180 --> 00:27:32.440
 given you

00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:32.779
 tonight is

00:27:32.779 --> 00:27:33.200
 hopefully just

00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:33.759
 a starting

00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.460
 point to

00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:36.640
 delving into

00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:37.519
 what does

00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:37.900
 the Bible

00:27:37.900 --> 00:27:38.380
 really teach

00:27:38.380 --> 00:27:38.859
 about God?

00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:40.880
 Because like

00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:41.299
 I started

00:27:41.299 --> 00:27:41.859
 off with

00:27:41.859 --> 00:27:42.440
 that Spurgeon

00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:42.720
 quote,

00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:44.319
 you need

00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:44.880
 to know

00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.140
 the truth

00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:47.140
 so you

00:27:47.140 --> 00:27:47.519
 can lay

00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:48.059
 it beside

00:27:48.059 --> 00:27:48.860
 false

00:27:48.860 --> 00:27:49.259
 teachings.

00:27:51.420 --> 00:27:52.120
 You don't

00:27:52.120 --> 00:27:52.400
 have to

00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:52.980
 memorize any

00:27:52.980 --> 00:27:53.160
 of the

00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:53.759
 verses I've

00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.160
 mentioned

00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.259
 to start

00:27:56.259 --> 00:27:56.860
 a conversation.

00:27:58.220 --> 00:27:59.120
 But please,

00:27:59.259 --> 00:27:59.460
 please,

00:27:59.559 --> 00:27:59.799
 please,

00:27:59.940 --> 00:28:00.259
 if you're

00:28:00.259 --> 00:28:00.579
 starting

00:28:00.579 --> 00:28:01.180
 conversations

00:28:01.180 --> 00:28:02.579
 with folks

00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:02.880
 of other

00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:03.120
 faith,

00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:04.059
 let your

00:28:04.059 --> 00:28:04.500
 elders know.

00:28:05.620 --> 00:28:06.500
 The reality

00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:07.200
 is we are

00:28:07.200 --> 00:28:07.519
 in a

00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:07.880
 spiritual

00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:08.339
 battle.

00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:10.140
 Our warfare

00:28:10.140 --> 00:28:10.600
 is not

00:28:10.600 --> 00:28:11.259
 against flesh

00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:11.839
 and bone.

00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:14.160
 I believe

00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:14.599
 there's

00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:15.000
 demonic

00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:15.859
 forces behind

00:28:15.859 --> 00:28:16.579
 the teachings

00:28:16.579 --> 00:28:17.279
 of the LDS

00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:17.879
 church and

00:28:17.879 --> 00:28:18.440
 many of the

00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:19.660
 other groups

00:28:19.660 --> 00:28:20.039
 you will come

00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:20.480
 to hear about.

00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:22.400
 It's a serious

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:22.720
 issue.

00:28:23.140 --> 00:28:23.599
 It shouldn't

00:28:23.599 --> 00:28:23.960
 be taken

00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:24.279
 lightly.

00:28:24.940 --> 00:28:25.460
 It shouldn't

00:28:25.460 --> 00:28:26.119
 just be engaged

00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:26.519
 in because

00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:26.980
 you want to

00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:27.200
 win an

00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:27.480
 argument.

00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:28.779
 These are

00:28:28.779 --> 00:28:29.539
 people's souls

00:28:29.539 --> 00:28:29.900
 that are at

00:28:29.900 --> 00:28:30.220
 stake.

00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:32.980
 It's not

00:28:32.980 --> 00:28:33.480
 to be taken

00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:33.759
 lightly.

00:28:34.420 --> 00:28:34.779
 Please,

00:28:34.940 --> 00:28:35.460
 please involve

00:28:35.460 --> 00:28:35.839
 your elders

00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:36.140
 if you're

00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:36.740
 meeting with

00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:37.539
 missionaries,

00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:37.920
 Jehovah's

00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:38.220
 witnesses,

00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:39.019
 anyone of

00:28:39.019 --> 00:28:39.240
 a different

00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:39.539
 faith.

00:28:41.259 --> 00:28:44.819
 Once again,

00:28:45.140 --> 00:28:45.619
 when you

00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:45.960
 talk to

00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:46.119
 them,

00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:47.700
 ask them

00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:47.960
 what they

00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:48.200
 believe.

00:28:48.660 --> 00:28:49.039
 Give them

00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:49.359
 time.

00:28:50.140 --> 00:28:50.379
 One of the

00:28:50.379 --> 00:28:51.039
 most fruitful

00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:52.400
 conversations I

00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:53.160
 had with

00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:53.960
 LDS

00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:54.460
 missionaries

00:28:54.460 --> 00:28:55.640
 was over

00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:56.079
 pizza.

00:28:57.259 --> 00:28:57.680
 Sit with

00:28:57.680 --> 00:28:57.839
 them.

00:28:58.359 --> 00:28:58.660
 Get to

00:28:58.660 --> 00:28:58.980
 know them.

00:29:00.619 --> 00:29:01.019
 If it may

00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:01.259
 be so,

00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:01.680
 be like

00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:01.920
 Jesus.

00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:02.440
 Eat with

00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:03.200
 the tax

00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:03.519
 collectors

00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:04.039
 and sinners

00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:05.599
 of which,

00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:06.640
 believe it or

00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:06.759
 not,

00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:07.059
 you're one.

00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:08.379
 I am a

00:29:08.379 --> 00:29:08.519
 sinner.

00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:10.619
 Bond with

00:29:10.619 --> 00:29:10.740
 them.

00:29:10.740 --> 00:29:11.299
 Be a

00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:11.480
 friend.

00:29:12.660 --> 00:29:13.160
 You never

00:29:13.160 --> 00:29:13.519
 know where

00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:13.759
 it might

00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:13.940
 lead.

00:29:14.460 --> 00:29:14.960
 I pray it

00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:15.440
 leads to

00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:16.019
 their

00:29:16.019 --> 00:29:16.420
 salvation.

00:29:19.579 --> 00:29:20.160
 As I

00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:20.420
 mentioned,

00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:21.519
 only faith

00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:22.700
 in the

00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:23.720
 true Jesus,

00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:24.400
 the living

00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:24.740
 Jesus,

00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:25.259
 the one who

00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:25.839
 took on

00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:26.279
 flesh,

00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:27.339
 came to

00:29:27.339 --> 00:29:27.799
 this earth,

00:29:28.380 --> 00:29:28.700
 is the

00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:29.099
 resurrected

00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:29.420
 one.

00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:30.779
 He's the

00:29:30.779 --> 00:29:32.480
 only one

00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:32.880
 who can

00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:33.180
 save you.

00:29:35.059 --> 00:29:35.759
 We need

00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:36.160
 to be putting

00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:36.640
 our faith

00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:37.039
 and our

00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.180
 trust in

00:29:38.180 --> 00:29:38.339
 him.

00:29:38.339 --> 00:29:38.400
 Amen.

00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:38.440
 Amen.

00:29:40.740 --> 00:29:41.019
 He's the

00:29:41.019 --> 00:29:41.440
 only one

00:29:41.440 --> 00:29:41.880
 that can

00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:42.460
 save us

00:29:42.460 --> 00:29:42.759
 from our

00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:42.900
 sin.

00:29:45.779 --> 00:29:46.299
 Before I

00:29:46.299 --> 00:29:46.519
 leave you

00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:46.799
 tonight,

00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:47.640
 I have a

00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:47.960
 few books

00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:48.220
 I'd like

00:29:48.220 --> 00:29:48.700
 to recommend.

00:29:52.299 --> 00:29:52.880
 Two of the

00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:53.240
 ones that I

00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:53.660
 find most

00:29:53.660 --> 00:29:54.319
 helpful myself

00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:55.120
 are written

00:29:55.120 --> 00:29:57.799
 by a

00:29:57.799 --> 00:29:58.079
 Baptist

00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:58.779
 preacher in

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 the States

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 by the

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 name of

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 James White.

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 He's written

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 letters to a

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 Mormon elder

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 and also

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 Is the

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 Mormon

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 my brother?

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 If you're

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 going to

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 get any

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 book on

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 their faith,

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 that would

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 be the one

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 I'd recommend.

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 Another one

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 that I find

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 very useful

00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:16.140
 is questions

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 to ask

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 your Mormon

00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:17.299
 friend.

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 This is

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 really just

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 to get

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 them to

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 critically

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 analyze

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 what they

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 do

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 believe.

00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:26.680
 Bizarrely,

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 I'd recommend

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 this.

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 It's the

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 Book of

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 Mormon.

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 I will

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 leave this

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 copy here.

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 You'll

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 notice it's

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 got a lot

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 of little

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 colored tags.

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 This is

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 literally

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 because I've

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 done a lot

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 of asking

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 the Book of

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 Mormon what

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 it teaches.

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 I shared

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 some topics

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 with you

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 tonight.

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 Well, I

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 shared two.

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 So I'll

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 leave this.

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 I hope you

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 find it a

00:30:47.320 --> 00:30:47.900
 useful resource

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 for the

00:30:48.140 --> 00:30:48.360
 church.

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 Because what

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 this teaches

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 is not

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 what the

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 Mormon

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 missions will

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 be teaching

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 you.

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 It's what

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 they're asking

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 you to pray

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 about, but

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 it's not

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 what they

00:30:57.660 --> 00:30:57.940
 believe.

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 So it

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 could just

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 be a door,

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 a foot in

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 the door,

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 to sharing

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 the gospel.

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 But I'd

00:31:06.080 --> 00:31:06.380
 like to

00:31:06.380 --> 00:31:07.500
 close with

00:31:07.500 --> 00:31:07.880
 that quote

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 that I

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 read at

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 the start.

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 If a

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 crooked stick

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 is before

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 you, you

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 need not

00:31:13.080 --> 00:31:13.720
 explain how

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 crooked it

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 is.

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 Lay a

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 straight one

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 down beside

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 it, and

00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:18.320
 the work

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 is well

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 done.

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 Preach

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 the truth,

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 and error

00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:23.039
 will stand

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 abashed in

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 its presence.

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 Amen.