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 Good morning. My name is Matthew Capone, and I'm the pastor here at Cheyenne Mountain

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 Presbyterian Church, and it's my joy to bring God's Word to you today. A special welcome

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 if you're new or visiting with us. We're glad that you're here, and we're glad that you're

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 here not because we're trying to fill seats, but because we're following Jesus together

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 as one community, and as we follow Jesus together, we become convinced that there's no one so good,

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 they don't need God's grace, and no one so bad that they can't have it, which is why we come back

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 week after week to hear what God has to say to us in His Word. We're continuing this morning in our

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 series in the Book of Romans, and you'll remember that the Book of Romans is a letter written by

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 the Apostle Paul in the 50s AD, and it is called Romans for a very simple reason, which is that

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 it's written to the churches in the city of Rome. Romans is about the gospel. It's about the good

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 news of Jesus' death and resurrection, and it's Paul's hope, as we saw back in verse 11 of chapter

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 1, that these churches would be established in the gospel. We're going to see many applications as we go

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 throughout the book, and yet again and again, we're going to return to this special focus

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 on the mission and the unity of the church. As I've told you many times now, we'll have many spokes

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 that are going to go out and explore different topics, and we will always quickly return back to

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 the hub of the gospel. And we're continuing the argument that I mentioned to you during our

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 confession of faith that Paul is making through chapters 1 through 3, which is that all have sinned and

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 fall short of the glory of God. I mention that because I think it's tempting sometimes when we

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 come to church and we hear a passage preached to just think, man, here's a random passage with some

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 random points. And so what I want you to see is actually, no, there's this larger argument, there's

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 this consistency, there's this theme that shows out over and over. Paul is building this one idea from

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 multiple angles. And so our angle this morning on that theme is that everyone, in fact, deserves God's wrath.

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 It's not just Jews, not just Gentiles. No, actually, everyone falls short. It's with that I invite you

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 to turn with me to God's Word. We're in Romans chapter 2. You can turn in your Bible. You can turn

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 on your phone. You can turn in your worship guide. No matter where you turn, remember Proverbs 30,

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 verse 5 tells us, every word of God proves true. He's a shield to those who take refuge in Him.

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 And so that's why we read now Romans chapter 2, starting at verse 1.

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 Therefore, you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another,

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 you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the

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 judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man,

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 you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the

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 judgment of God? Or do you presume on the riches of His kindness and forbearance and patience,

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 not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?

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 But because of your hard and impenitent heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath,

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 when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. I invite you to pray with me as we come to this

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 portion of God's Word. Our Father in heaven, we do thank you again that you haven't left us

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 to wander aimlessly. You haven't abandoned us to figure out things on our own. You haven't treated us

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 as orphans in a merciless universe, but instead you do come and speak to us. You tell us

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 things that are encouraging, and you tell us things that are challenging and hard. We thank you that you

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 always tell us what is true. We ask that you would do that again this morning, that you would be at work

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 in our hearts and our minds and our lives, that we would be able to hear clearly from you in your Word.

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 And most of all, we'd be able to see your Son. We'd see our Lord Jesus as more beautiful and glorious

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 and gracious than ever before. And we ask these things in the mighty name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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 I know that many of you in our congregation are readers. You love to read. You love to read on your

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 own. You love to read to your kids. And I know that some of you love to read theology books.

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 And one of the most important theological treatises of the church in the 21st century

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 was released in September of 2020. Despite its significance, it's been a little bit of a sleeper.

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 It's a scandal, in fact, that you can't find it on Christian books. You can't find it in any

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 Christian bookstore that I'm aware of. In fact, I'm not sure that many of my pastor friends even know

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 about this book. And so, because of that, I've brought a copy with me this morning so that you

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 can be aware of it. It's called Everyone Poops by Taro Gomi. It's a significant theological work

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 in the last several years. I don't have time to read all of it to you. I will show you the first page,

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 though. It tells us, an elephant makes a big poop. A mouse makes a tiny poop.

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 Why, though, is this such an important theological work? It is because it drives really clearly to the

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 point of Romans chapters 1 through 3, which I've now mentioned a couple times this morning.

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 All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. And so, as we get to the beginning of chapter 2,

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 Paul is really just saying this one thing to his readers. You think you don't poop?

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 You do. You think you don't fall into this category from chapter 1? You need to think again.

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 You don't think you deserve God's wrath? Well, then I have some hard news for you.

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 Why do we bring up, of course, if this is the point of chapters 1 through 3, why am I telling you about

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 this work this week and not next week? And the reason is this, because of what happened the last

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 two weeks. The last two weeks, Paul has been making this point in chapter 1 that the Gentiles,

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 that those who are not Jews, have given up God, that they've exchanged the Creator for the creation,

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 and they've done it in a number of ways. You'll remember last week, verses 28 through 32,

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 Andy preached to us this great series, this list, this overwhelming list of all these different sins.

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 You may have noticed, as those sins are listed, Paul continually uses the word they. They do this.

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 They do that. They are doing these terrible things. Two weeks ago, verses 24 through 27, we had not a long

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 list. We focused on the sin of homosexuality. And what was the word there? It was them.

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 So they and them, they're the ones who are doing these things. And it's tempting then,

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 and Paul knows this. In fact, he's setting us up for this moment in chapter 2. It's tempting to read

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 chapter 1 and think, oh, yes, that's right, Paul. I agree with you. Those people out there are terrible.

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 They are bad. That's great. I'm so glad you're finally calling them out on everything they're doing.

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 And you know what? I'm so glad that someone else is recognizing how terrible the world is.

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 Get them, Paul. Tell them. Make sure they know how bad the Gentiles are. But you know what, man? I'm so

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 glad chapter 1 is not about me. I'm so glad that that is about Gentiles and it's not about Jews.

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 Those Gentiles out there, yeah, Paul knows he's onto something. They are some dirty, nasty little

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 sinners. And you notice how Paul ends chapter 1. He says, this is verse 32 of chapter 1,

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 though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die,

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 they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them. And so the person reading chapter 1,

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 as they get to the end, think, man, I'm in the right camp. I don't approve of people who practice

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 those things. No, I condemn those things. I'm completely in the clear. I'm good. I'm so glad

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 we made it to the end of chapter 1. What a relief that that chapter is not about me.

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 Paul's actually setting us up for this moment to get to chapter 2, verse 1, because he whips the rug

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 out from under us. Told us, last verse of chapter 1, those who approve such things, those people are

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 bad, okay? It's bad to approve of those bad practices. And then he tells us, you know, the other option

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 is also bad. Verse 1, you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment

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 on another, you condemn yourself. There's a catch 22. Did you catch it? If you approve of these evil

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 things, you're bad. If you judge these evil things, you're condemned. There's actually no good option.

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 It's wrong to look at those who are doing evil things and say, man, I approve of that. And it's

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 wrong to look at those who are doing evil things and to judge them. And Paul's setting up this tension

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 for us to ask this question, how can that be? How can it be that I can't judge them and I can't

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 approve of them? This seems completely unfair, right? What am I supposed to do? Why is it that I can't

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 judge? Well, he goes on to tell us, verse 1, for in passing judgment on another, you condemn yourself

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 because you, the judge, practice the very same things. And if you've tracked with chapter 1,

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 your response might be this, no, I don't, Paul. I don't practice homosexuality. That's what you were

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 talking about in verses 24 through 27. I'm not a gossip. I don't hate my parents. I don't do those

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 things in verses 28 through 32. This is nonsense. How can Paul say, I do the very same things?

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 And Paul's not saying, hey, you do every single exact action that's been listed in 24 through 32.

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 No, not necessarily. He's saying you have the same heart. Remember, all of those evil actions were

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 downstream of the fundamental problem. The fundamental problem we saw in chapter 1 is that

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 they exchanged the creator for the creation. And so, Paul's not saying, hey, you've done everything

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 in this long list. He's saying this, you, Jews, who think you're so righteous, are exactly the same as

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 the Gentiles in this sense. You also have exchanged the creator for the creation. You also have a heart

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 of sin. And let me prove it to you. This is what verse 1 is saying. Let's judge you by your standard.

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 Okay, you're going to judge the people around you. Can you live up to that same judgment? Can you,

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 Jew, live up to the standard you use to judge the Gentiles? Can you, Christian, live up to the standard

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 that you use to judge non-Christians? I bring up Christians and non-Christians because this Jew-Gentile

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 distinction does not have the same, it's not a live issue for us in 2024 in the same way that it was a

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 live issue for the churches in Rome in the first century. The relevant distinction for us really is

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 the religious people and the non-religious people. That's what Paul's trying to say here. Hey, you're

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 religious. You know the right way to live. You have God's moral law, His ethical code. Can you live up

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 to that as you use it to judge the world outside? Even that, though, may not help us feel kind of how

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 offended we're supposed to be by chapter 2 here. And so I want to push this a step further. If you want

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 to get at how scandalous what Paul's saying in chapter 2 is, you've got to pick a group, you've got to find a

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 group that you really despise. You have to find a group that is those people out there who do all

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 kinds of crazy things in comparison to me and here who are good and just and upright. And I'm going to

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 suggest there are a few things in our culture right now that get at this issue as much as our politics.

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 That political party, the political party that you don't belong to, that party out there, those people

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 are the evil ones. It's gotten so bad, in fact, and you'll see this on the back of your worship guide.

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 There's this concept, if I can get there,

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 concept called motive attribution asymmetry. And motive attribution asymmetry is a fancy way of saying

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 everything I do is motivated by good. I'm purely benevolent. Everything those people I hate do

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 is obviously motivated by wickedness. And so, like, I'm the good guy, they're the bad guy.

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 So much so, and this is, again, on the back of your worship guide, researchers found the average

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 Republican and the average Democrat suffer from a level of motive attribution asymmetry comparable

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 with that of Palestinians and Israelis. And so, I want you to think about that. This is what Paul's

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 doing. He's listing in chapter one all the things that that other political party does, the one you

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 don't like, and you're thinking, yeah, Paul, get them, tell them. We know. We've all known all along.

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 We know they're so bad. Chapter two, verse one, you're guilty of the same thing.

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 That's the whiplash we're meant to experience here in this chapter. Paul is saying, okay,

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 you hate that group out there. Let's judge you by that standard. You're upset that that other party

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 you don't like doesn't care about human life. Okay? Let's judge you by your standard. How is your

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 driving on the highway? Does it reflect a concern for human life? How are your words when you speak

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 about other people? Is there a sense that you believe they have dignity, that they're made in

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 the image of God? Let's say that other party that you hate, you think that party is super greedy.

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 They're just out for gain and money. Great. Let's judge you by your standard. Let's look at your

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 bank account. Let's look at your credit card statements. Is there any greed? Can you live up to

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 the standard that you use? Maybe you're angry at that other party and you say, that party that I hate,

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 the evil party, they don't care about caring for our earth. They don't care about the creation.

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 Okay, great. Let's judge you by your standard. How does your consumption impact the earth?

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 Maybe you look at that other party and you say, man, that party, they are so confused about sexuality.

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 They are so off the rails. I can't believe they're promoting those things. Great. Let's judge you by

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 your standard. How do you use your sexuality? Do you always use it to build up others and nurture

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 them? Do you never use your sexuality to control or manipulate? Can you live up to the standard you use?

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 Maybe you think this, that party that I hate, the bad party, they don't care about the poor.

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 Great. Let's judge you by your standard. How do you measure up? If we look at your hours and your time

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 and your money, do you care about the poor? And Paul's point here is this, you can't. You can't live up

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 to your own standard. And you might be thinking at this point, man, this is super unfair. You're drawing

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 this false moral equivalence. Yeah, my party, you know, my party has some issues, right? They have

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 some things going on that aren't perfect, but it's nothing like the bad party, right? How unfair of

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 you to compare these things? Like they're not equal. They're not the same, right? No one is perfect.

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 And you know what? That might be true.

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 It also completely misses Paul's point. Because Paul's point is this, both groups are under God's

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 judgment. Both groups break God's law. You can argue all day, right? You can measure and order and say,

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 man, that other group is so much worse. Paul said, you know what? That's kind of irrelevant.

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 You've fallen into this trap. You've said, hey, I can find someone else to compare myself to

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 and feel better than them. Of course, I have the moral high ground. And Paul is saying, no,

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 you're not comparing yourself to how better you are than another group. You're comparing yourself

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 to God's holy standard.

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 And when you measure up against the law of God, everyone falls short.

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 And so it's irrelevant, right? We don't need to order and measure who is worse.

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 Again, this is why this is such an important theological work that I introduced to you earlier

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 today. What does it say? An elephant makes a big poop. A mouse, a small poop. Yeah, you can measure

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 who's worse or bad. What's the point at the end of the day? Everyone poops. That's Paul's point.

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 Look, don't get on your moral high ground. When you are compared to the righteous law of God and His

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 holiness, he will say, can you stand up to your own standard? Can you live up to the rules that you have

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 set for this world? The answer is no.

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 So the point is this. Paul is saying, everyone is a hypocrite.

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 Everyone, in some way, has exchanged the creator for the creation.

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 Repentance is not just for those people out there.

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 Repentance is for these people in here.

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 Repentance is not just for the non-religious people who do all these terrible things.

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 No, repentance is for the religious people who have the same rebellious heart.

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 I've mentioned to you before the Russian author Alexander Solzhenitsyn,

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 who wrote the Gulag Archipelago about his time in prison in the Soviet Union.

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 And I've given you an abbreviated quote before.

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 The full quote this morning is on page 8 of your worship guide.

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 He says this.

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 Gradually, it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states,

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 nor between classes, nor between political parties either,

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 but right through every human heart and through all human hearts.

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 Therefore, you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges,

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 for in passing judgment on another, you condemn yourself.

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 Oh, you think there's a group out there that's unrighteous and a group in here that's righteous?

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 No.

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 No, the line between good and evil goes right through every human heart and through all human hearts.

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 It goes to the hearts of the non-religious.

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 It goes to the hearts of the religious.

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 It goes to the hearts of the Jews.

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 It goes to the hearts of the Gentiles.

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 As Paul's point in verse 1, verses 2 and 3,

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 he goes on essentially to draw the logical conclusion of that.

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 Verse 1, you can't live up to your own standard.

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 Verses 2 and 3, if you can't live up to your own standard,

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 of course you also are going to face God's judgment.

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 Verse 2, we know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things.

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 So verse 1, you know you can't live up to your own standard.

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 Verse 2, because you can't live up to your own standard, God's judgment is coming for you too.

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 Verse 3, do you suppose, O man, you who judge those who practice such things,

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 and yet do them yourself, that you will escape the judgment of God?

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 Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience,

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 not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?

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 And Paul here is answering another objection.

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 Someone might hear the logic of verses 1, 2, and 3 and think,

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 well, okay, I hear you, Paul, but my life is really blessed.

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 Everything I've done has prospered.

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 I don't see God's judgment anywhere.

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 I don't see it in my life.

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 I don't see it in my friends' lives.

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 No, everything I'm doing seems to be working super well.

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 And so you, Paul, are saying, like, I'm falling under God's judgment,

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 but look at all this blessing in my life.

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 Obviously, I'm not under God's judgment, right?

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 And Paul's saying, no, no, no, you've missed something here.

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 You haven't experienced God's judgment yet because of his patience and forbearance.

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 God is actually holding back his judgment.

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 He's giving you time to repent.

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 This is not proof of your goodness.

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 It's proof of God's goodness.

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 Don't think that because you haven't seen judgment yet, judgment is not coming.

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 In the Wikipedia entry, for everyone poops, we're told this.

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 The book is intended to relieve shame and embarrassment around the act of defecating

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 by explaining to children that it is a natural part of life.

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 And here is where Paul's point is the exact opposite.

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 Paul is not trying to remove shame and embarrassment.

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 No, Paul's actually trying to wake us up.

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 Guess what?

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 Everyone poops, and that's a really bad thing, right?

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 God's judgment is actually coming on this world.

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 You might think that you've escaped it for a time.

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 You will not escape it forever.

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 You think you're okay.

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 You're not.

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 There is no place to escape.

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 Chapter 1, verse 32, those who approve the evil things, they're condemned.

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 And chapter 2, verse 1, those who judge the evil things, they're also condemned.

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 There is no place to escape.

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 To illustrate this point, one pastor tells the story of a farmer.

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 This farmer was not a Christian.

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 In fact, even more than just not being a Christian, he was very hostile to Christianity.

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 And he owned a tract of land that was right next to a church building.

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 And so every Sunday, while the folks in the church building were worshiping, he would get

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 out on his tractor and he would work his land.

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 And it was his way of saying, like, hey, I'm going to do the exact opposite of what you

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 religious people do.

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 Turned out his farm was extremely successful.

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 He had a great harvest, a great cop.

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 And so he writes this letter to the pastor and he says, Pastor, I've done the exact opposite

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 of what God commanded.

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 God tells me to be in church on Sunday morning.

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 I've been plowing my fields on Sunday morning instead.

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 I've experienced tremendous blessing.

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 Clearly, God doesn't exist.

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 Pastor writes him a letter back that says one sentence.

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 God doesn't settle his accounts in October.

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 Yeah, you might experience blessing now.

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 Verse four, do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience,

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 not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance?

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 Why did you experience blessing?

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 Not because you're good, but because God is good.

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 And so to pull it back to Paul's point here in these three chapters, he is telling us once

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 again in a different way from a different angle, all have sinned and fall short of the glory

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 of God.

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 Yeah, being a good person, not enough.

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 Being a good person, not up to God's standards.

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 Being a good person still falls short of your own judgment.

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 And so what do we do?

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 Paul's telling us, look, everyone actually needs a righteousness that comes from somewhere else.

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 No one's works are good enough to stand before God on the last day.

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 Everyone needs repentance.

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 Everyone needs God's grace.

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 Everyone needs what we've already talked about.

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 Romans chapter one, the theme verse for the book of Romans.

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 For in it, the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith.

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 As it is written, the righteous shall live by faith.

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 If there's a catch-22, if those who approve are condemned and those who judge are condemned,

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 what's the solution?

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 The solution is to find a righteousness from somewhere else.

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 And of course, we know where that righteousness comes from.

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 The solution is to have the righteousness of another.

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 A righteousness not from our approving or our condemning, a righteousness that comes from

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 Jesus Christ, who lived the perfect life that we should have lived, who died the death that we deserved,

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 so that he, in his punishment, makes it so that we can live.

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 That's the only way.

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 There's no good group or bad group.

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 There's all groups who stand before God, deserving judgment.

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 And that's the good news of the gospel.

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 Good news is that the catch-22 has an answer.

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 The good news is that there is a way.

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 It is not our own works, our own actions.

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 There's a way that recognizes, hey, actually, I can't live up.

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 I can't live up to God's standards.

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 I can't live up to my own standards.

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 And Jesus takes the punishment for me.

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 That's the good news.

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 Romans chapter one, again.

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 I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone

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 who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

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 The story is told of the English writer G.K. Chesterton, who saw in a newspaper an essay

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 prompt inviting folks to write in to answer this question.

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 The question was, what's wrong with the world?

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 G.K. Chesterton wrote a very short letter in response.

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 He said, dear sirs, regarding your article, what's wrong with the world?

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 I am.

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 Yours truly, G.K. Chesterton.

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 Let's pray.

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 Our Father in heaven, we do thank you that we're not stuck or caught in a catch-22.

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 We thank you that you've provided a hope and a future for your son and our Savior, our

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 Lord Jesus.

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 We ask that you would show us the extent and the depth of our sin, not so that we would

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 wallow in it, but that we would run to you in your glory and your grace and your mercy.

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 That our hope and our only hope would be in your son and our Savior, our Lord Jesus.

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 It's in his name that we ask all of these things.

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 Amen.

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 Amen.